1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: a free state, the right of the people to keep 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: in their arms shall not be infringed. This is the 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: Second Amendment, and this is the Gun Guy. 5 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 2: Boom boom boom boom bang bang bang bang boom boom 6 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: boom boom bang. 7 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: Bang bo Guy Ralford on ninety three WYBC. 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 3: Ed, good afternoon, and welcome to the Gun Guy Show 9 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,959 Speaker 3: here on ninety three WYBC. We're thrilled that you are 10 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 3: with us. I'll tell you it right off the bat. 11 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 3: I want to give a huge thank you to producer 12 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 3: Kevin who's here in the studio. If you listen to 13 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 3: WIBC during the week, you know Kevin Well. He's the 14 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 3: producer of the Kendall and Casey Show. So here, this 15 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 3: guy puts in a whole week of a full time 16 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 3: job and then is willing to come in and help 17 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 3: us out. We're kind of between producers here, between I 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 3: mean Ethan Hatcher's show Saturday Night on the Circle and 19 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 3: my show. We're kind of transitioning. And in the meantime 20 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 3: here full time producer during the week not only works 21 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 3: full time but has to put up with Rob Kendall 22 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 3: for all those hours during the week, and Kevin, you're 23 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 3: willing to come in here and help us out during 24 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 3: the gun Guy show man, thank you so much. It's 25 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 3: a pleasure to be here, absolutely. And there is a 26 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 3: lot to get into, I'll tell you what. And I 27 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 3: posted a couple of different topics I am going to 28 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 3: get into tonight and a couple of things that I 29 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 3: found fascinating. But right off the bat, I was looking 30 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 3: at social media and someone else posted a link to 31 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 3: a Washington Post article, and right off the bat, I 32 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 3: typically start rolling my eyes when it comes to the 33 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 3: Washington Post. If there is a liberal publication out there 34 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 3: in terms of print slash internet, Washington Post is right 35 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 3: up there in my mind with like MSNBC and any 36 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 3: number of others. And as you might guess, they've not 37 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 3: been particularly kind to those of us who choose to 38 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 3: exercise our Second Amendment rights over the years. But I 39 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 3: saw an article, and this was fascinating to me. They 40 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 3: were talking about a crime rate in the United States, 41 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 3: in particular, they were talking about the homicide rate in 42 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 3: the United States and they said, they said this quote, 43 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 3: They said, the United States remains a violent nation, more 44 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 3: so than many other high income countries. But the rate 45 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 3: of homicides has fallen dramatically for nearly four straight years. 46 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 3: There were five nine hundred and sixty five fewer killings 47 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four than in twenty twenty one. Figures 48 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 3: from the FBI show, which is absolutely true. By the way, 49 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 3: you want to look this up, go to the Uniform 50 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 3: Crime Report, it's called from the FBI, and they've got 51 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 3: great data tables in there. You can look at all 52 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 3: this up. But again, almost six thousand fewer killings in 53 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 3: twenty twenty four than twenty twenty one. And going back quote, 54 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 3: the drop off spans both red and blue states and 55 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 3: has unfolded even as police departments have struggled to fill vacancies. 56 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 3: And this is the part that caught my attention. And 57 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 3: Americans have purchased guns at a staggering pace. So hold on, 58 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 3: So almost six thousand fewer killings in a four year span, 59 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 3: and this is during a time span this is according 60 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 3: to the Washington Post, when Americans have purchased guns at 61 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 3: a staggering pace. Is that true? By the way, last 62 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 3: week I talked about how there were one point three 63 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 3: million new gun purchases just last month and how that was, 64 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,119 Speaker 3: narratively speaking, a very high rate in a particular month, 65 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 3: But that's been a pattern that's been going on for 66 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 3: quite some time. But when you look at all of 67 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 3: this and you look at this data, it goes back 68 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 3: farther than that. I mean, what have you heard from 69 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 3: liberal politicians? What have you heard from whether it's Joe 70 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 3: Biden or Kamala Harris or any of the Democrats in 71 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 3: Congress for years and years and years? Is that you 72 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 3: What do you hear that we have an epidemic of 73 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 3: gun violence in this country? And we'll talk about gun violence, 74 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 3: we're talking about homicides, and a lot of times they 75 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 3: lump homicides and suicides together, which of course is misleading 76 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 3: because when you look at at fatalities from firearms in 77 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 3: a given year, they are typically two third suicides, well 78 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 3: over half every single year. But when you look at 79 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 3: total fatalities including homicide, you're typically talking about gun violence 80 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 3: to a very large degree, large percentage. And they talk 81 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 3: about an avalanche, a tsunami, a wave of gun violence. 82 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 3: It's overtaking this country and we need to pass dramatic 83 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 3: gun control measures to stem this tide of a dramatic 84 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 3: increase in homicides caused by quote unquote gun violence in 85 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 3: this country. Do the numbers really support that? I mean, 86 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 3: how many times you've heard that. We've heard it so 87 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 3: many times that a lot of people just take that 88 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 3: as true. You know, the highest homicide rate we've ever 89 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 3: had in this country going back forty years, highest ever 90 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 3: and here we're talking about homicides per one hundred thousand people. 91 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 3: You and the highest that ever was a lot of 92 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 3: people would say, oh, well, it had to have been 93 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 3: just recently last year or so. Now it is nineteen eighty. 94 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 3: Nineteen eighty, the homicide rate per one hundred thousand people 95 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 3: in the United States was ten point two, and then 96 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 3: it went down, it went up, It kind of wavered around, 97 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, starting in about nineteen 98 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 3: ninety four, it declined every year and got very low 99 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 3: all the way down in nineteen ninety nine down to 100 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 3: five point five and almost fifty percent reduction from nineteen 101 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 3: eighty did. It remained fairly constant, wavered around a little 102 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 3: bit until COVID. And during COVID, you had the Summer 103 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 3: of Love, as we like to call it. You had 104 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 3: a lot of people running rampant in the streets, you 105 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 3: had riots, and all of a sudden it popped back up. Now, 106 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,559 Speaker 3: nobody blamed that on COVID. Nobody blamed that about people 107 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 3: rioting or looting, or burglarizing or ambushing police officers or 108 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 3: any of the other things we actually saw during COVID. 109 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 3: Nobody blamed it on that. It's well, it's it's got 110 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 3: to be guns. We need to restrict guns. You know 111 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 3: what's happened then since twenty twenty, twenty twenty, again, after 112 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 3: a bit of a spike in homicides, homicide rate per 113 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 3: one hundred thousand people was six point eight. You know, 114 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 3: it's done since then, it's gone down every single year 115 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 3: six point five, five point seven. And you know what 116 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 3: it was in twenty twenty four, the last year, obviously 117 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 3: we have complete data for four point six four point six. 118 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 3: That's one of the lowest rates we've seen. This is 119 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 3: homicide rate per one hundred thousand, one of the lowest 120 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 3: rates we've seen since the FBI has been keeping the 121 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 3: statistics dramatically. The Washington Post had to acknowledge it and 122 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 3: had to acknowledge that that's happened as people have been 123 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 3: buying guns and record numbers. And oh, by the way, 124 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 3: you know what else happened between twenty twenty and now, 125 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 3: a whole bunch of additional states past constitutional carry where 126 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 3: people don't necessarily have to have a license or a 127 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 3: permit in their home state to be able to carry 128 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 3: a gun and protect themselves. And what do we hear 129 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 3: when we were fighting for constitutional carry over the ten 130 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 3: years that I fought for constitutional carry in the Indiana 131 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 3: General Assembly, what was the primary argument we heard against it? Oh, well, 132 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 3: if more people are carrying guns, we're going to see 133 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 3: more people shooting each other. We're going to see more homicides, 134 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 3: we see more people die. The crime rate's going to 135 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 3: go up. Police officers are going to be attacked more often, 136 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 3: the homicide rate's going to go through the roof. It's 137 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 3: gonna be blood in the street. It's gonna be the 138 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 3: Wild West. How many times do you hear that while 139 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 3: we were fighting for constitutional carry, including in twenty twenty 140 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 3: two when we got it passed. It's gonna be the 141 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 3: wild West, blood in the streets. What's a homicide rate done? Nationally? 142 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 3: And by the way, we were I believe the twenty 143 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 3: first state in twenty twenty two to pass constitutional care. 144 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 3: It's now up to thirty And during those years, when 145 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 3: those additional states we're passing constitutional care, what's a homicide 146 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 3: rate done. It's plummeted down to one of its lowest 147 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 3: rates ever. Certainly in the last forty years. You think, 148 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 3: perhaps perhaps just throw this out there, just spitball in here. 149 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 3: More law abiding citizens that have the capacity to defend themselves, 150 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 3: to resist violent crime, to prevent violent criminals from murdering 151 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 3: them because they have the capacity to defend themselves, their homes, 152 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 3: and their families. You think that's contributed to a dramatic 153 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 3: decline and homicide rates every year. I've got a theory. 154 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 3: What's your theory on that point? And listen, you can't 155 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 3: say there's causation in terms of passing constitutional carry or 156 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 3: people buying more and more guns, which they clearly have. 157 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 3: The numbers don't lie. It's just numbers. The FBI puts 158 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 3: out the numbers on homicides every year. The FBI puts 159 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 3: out the numbers on background checks that people go through 160 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 3: and they're buying a new gun. We know what the guns, 161 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 3: We know what the numbers are on people buying guns. 162 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 3: But we certainly know the numbers of more and more 163 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 3: states passing constitutional carry. But you can't say there's causation. 164 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 3: But you certainly can say there's correlation. And where there's 165 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 3: a correlation, you can perhaps into it, you can infer 166 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 3: that there's a direct cause as well. And I was 167 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 3: fascinated to see that even the Washington Post, the Washington 168 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 3: Post at your head around that for a minute, was 169 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 3: forced to acknowledge that this refrain, this chant that we 170 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 3: hear over and over and over again from people like 171 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 3: Mom's Demand Action and the Brady Campaign and the Gifford 172 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,959 Speaker 3: Center and the Violence Policy Center and all the gun 173 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 3: control groups out there, what do we see when we 174 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 3: had the annual meeting, the NRA annual meeting here in Indianapolis. 175 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 3: I remember the protesters from Mom's Moms Demand Action. What 176 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 3: did they have? What are the signs that they all 177 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 3: passed out? These pre printed signs. They all walked around 178 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 3: downtown in Indianapolis. With more guns, more crime, more guns, 179 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 3: more crime. More Americans own guns today than at any 180 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 3: time in history, the largest percentage, the largest sheer number, 181 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 3: and the homicide rates are plummeting. So Mom's Demand Action 182 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 3: put that in your pipe and smoking. Get your head 183 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 3: around that for a minute, because those numbers don't lie. 184 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 3: Right now, we're taking a break. This is Guy Ralford 185 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 3: on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WIBCUS. Guy 186 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 3: Ralford for the law offices of Guy Relford. You know, 187 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 3: if you've lost your Second Amendment rights due to a 188 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 3: conviction on your record or some other issue that's occurred 189 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 3: with you, you're interested in your options for perhaps restoring 190 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 3: your gun rights. That's something we do, we do often, 191 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 3: and we enjoy doing. You can contact us through the website. 192 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 3: Just go to Relfordlaw dot com. The phone numbers right there. 193 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 3: You can call us during the week or you can 194 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 3: send us an email right through the website as well. 195 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 3: We do restorations expungements, which can also seal a record 196 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 3: of a conviction off your record for a lot of convictions, 197 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 3: not all, but certainly a lot. You're interested in that 198 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 3: reach out in contact us through Ralford Law dot com. 199 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: Second to nine on this Second Amendment. This is the 200 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: Gun Guy with Guy Ralford on ninety three. 201 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 3: And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford. I'm the Gun Guy 202 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 3: Show on ninety three WIBC. By the way, if you'd 203 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 3: like to join the discussion as always, you know, going 204 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 3: back ten plus years since we've had the Gun Guy Show, 205 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 3: we started as a call in show. I was a 206 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 3: kind of a fill in host on someone else's show, 207 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 3: and we decided to have a full hour of Ask 208 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 3: the Gun Guy or Ask the Gun Lawyer, I think 209 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 3: we called it then. And a bunch of people called, 210 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 3: and a bunch of people had interesting questions, and I 211 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 3: gave him answers, and that's what led to Wibc asking 212 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 3: me if I went to have my own show. And 213 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 3: I always want to kind of be true to my roots, 214 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,839 Speaker 3: true to the origins of the Gun Guy Show here, 215 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 3: and so I always want to take your calls, I think, 216 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 3: And maybe The Home and Garden Show is the only 217 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 3: other show like this, but otherwise I think I'm the 218 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 3: only show that takes calls throughout the entire duration of 219 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 3: the show. Show. And so you got a question, you 220 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 3: got a comment, you want to weigh in on a 221 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 3: Second Amendment issue, give us a call. Three one seven 222 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 3: two three nine ninety three ninety three three one seven 223 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 3: ninety three ninety three. Producer Kevin is here through his 224 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 3: own good graces and kindness. He's helping us out on 225 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 3: the weekend after dealing with Rob Kemball all week I mean, 226 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 3: that's that's that's above and beyond the call of duty, 227 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 3: no question and uh. And but you can call in, 228 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 3: you can say it thanks to producer Kevin for helping 229 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 3: us out here on the weekend, and we'll get you 230 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 3: right on the air with whatever your question or comment 231 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 3: might be. But I've posted this on both Facebook and Twitter, 232 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 3: and by the way, on Twitter or x whatever we're 233 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 3: calling it these days, you can go on there, give 234 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 3: me a follow while you're there. I'm just at Guy Ralford. 235 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 3: But if you want to see the background on this 236 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 3: and some of the paperwork, I reposted a post from 237 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 3: the Gun Owners of America And one question I get 238 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 3: all the time is, h is guy, what what gun 239 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 3: rights groups should I support? Who is out there doing 240 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 3: doing the work that we ought to as gun owners 241 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 3: and as Second Amendment proponents? Who should we be supporting 242 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 3: out there? And listen, you know, I'm a benefactor life 243 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 3: member of NRA. Now, I became that level of member 244 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 3: of NRA quite some time ago, and NRA obviously went 245 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 3: through a rough patch and h and the leadership or 246 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 3: lack thereof by Wayne Lapierre was very suspect. Wayne Lapierre, 247 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 3: to my understanding, is still involved in litigation over his 248 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 3: misuse of NRA funds, and NRA cost itself a lot 249 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 3: of credibility with a lot of people. NRA is on 250 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 3: the way back, There's no question about that. We have 251 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 3: now three I believe it is three who's your that 252 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 3: are on the board of directors from NRA. We have 253 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 3: new leadership. Wayne Lapierre is gone, and listen, I fully 254 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 3: believe we need a strong, well funded, fully functional NRA 255 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 3: out there as we've had for generations, in order to 256 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 3: help fight, especially on the national level, for our gun 257 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 3: rights here in the United States. But there are a 258 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 3: lot of other groups that are really doing solid work. 259 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 3: One of those is Gun Owners of America and I'll 260 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 3: come back to that here in just a minute. But 261 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 3: Firearms Policy Coalition FPC, Firearms Policy Coalition, they are doing 262 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 3: great work, especially in the courtroom. They are out there, 263 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 3: they are winning cases and they are promoting our rights. 264 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 3: And I've talked about many of those cases here on 265 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 3: the show. And the Second Amendment Foundation, Alan Gottlieb's group 266 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 3: solid excellent. I'm a member of all these and will 267 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 3: continue to be in addition to my lifetime members in NRA. 268 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 3: Here locally, obviously, you've got the Two Way Project, that 269 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 3: group that I founded in twenty twenty, and we were 270 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 3: right out front and getting a lot done here in Indiana, 271 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 3: whether it's a constitutional carry or any number of other 272 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 3: pro two way bills we've gotten done since then. Of course, 273 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 3: you got the Indiana State Rifle and Pistol Association, who 274 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 3: are a great resource, and we're right there shoulder to 275 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 3: shoulder with us in the State House as well. But 276 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 3: on the national level, I got to tell you, I 277 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 3: am a big fan of gun owners of America. They 278 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,719 Speaker 3: are not shy about going to the courtroom and winning 279 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 3: in the courtroom. They will take on hard issues and 280 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 3: they've had a lot of success, as Firearms Policy Coalition has, 281 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 3: as Second Amendment Foundation has, and obviously NRA, I mean, 282 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 3: the most important two way case we've ever had in 283 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 3: the United States that by a one vote margin, a 284 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 3: five to four margin in the US Supreme Court, the 285 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 3: US Supreme Court decided that the air is in fact 286 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 3: an individual right to bear arms protected by the Second Amendment, 287 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 3: unrelated to service in the military, and a lot of 288 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 3: people argued and in fact four justices of the US 289 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 3: Supreme Court agreed. Happily they were in the minority by 290 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 3: one vote. But in Heller versus DC in two thousand 291 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 3: and eight that was absolutely pioneered, funded, advanced, championed by NRA, 292 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 3: the Supreme Court decided for the first time that there is, 293 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 3: in fact an individual a right protected by the Second Amendment. 294 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 3: If Hellard gone the other way, if one vote had 295 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:53,239 Speaker 3: gone the other way, in the United States today, if 296 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 3: you're not in the National Guard, the Second Amendment would 297 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 3: protect nothing for you. Zero. Think about that for a second. 298 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 3: How important was that? That was an ORA So we 299 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 3: got to give them credit where credit is due, the 300 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 3: relative fiasco of Wayne Lapierre's years of leadership notwithstanding. But 301 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 3: anyway back to Gun Owners of America. One of the 302 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 3: lawsuits that they filed is to invalidate major portions of 303 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 3: the National Firearms Act of nineteen thirty four, the NFA. 304 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 3: What's the NFA regulate? Well, if you listen to the 305 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 3: Gun Guy Show, you know this already. But a brief 306 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 3: review in nineteen thirty four, Congress, I think, influenced as 307 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 3: much by gangster movies and headlines, decided that certain classifications 308 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 3: of firearms needed to be more highly regulated than your 309 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 3: typical rifle, pistol, or shotgun. And they looked at specifically 310 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 3: machine guns. Right, you had lost of gangsters running around 311 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 3: with the Thompson sub machine guns, and Hollywood loved to 312 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 3: to glamorize that. And then short barreled shotguns, short barreled 313 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 3: rifles suppressors, which then they called silencers. And this another thing, 314 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 3: you know, if you listen to the Gun Guy show. 315 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 3: Silencer was actually the brand name for the guy who 316 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 3: invented the firearm suppressor, Hiram Percy Maxim, who he called 317 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 3: his product a firearm muffler, and his brand name was 318 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 3: a silencer. And Congress got the idea that there were 319 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 3: going to be all these ninja assassins running around silently 320 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 3: executing people, and said, oh my god, we need to 321 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 3: regulate these things. So short bailed shotguns. And the idea 322 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 3: is that you know, a gangster, a criminal, a bad 323 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 3: guy could hide a short brailed rifle, short bailed shotgun 324 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 3: under his overcoat and stink that wherever he wanted to 325 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 3: and then inflict mayhem on society. And then a couple 326 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 3: of other classifications destructive devices and any other weapons. And 327 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 3: I won't take the time right now to go into 328 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 3: the description of those other areas, but those other definitions, 329 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 3: but those mainly machine gun suppresors, short brailed rifle, short 330 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 3: bailed pistols, short barreled shotguns, machine gun suppressors. He said, 331 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 3: you know, we're not going to ban them because in 332 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 3: nineteen thirty four Congress still feared the Second Amendment. They 333 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 3: still fear the Supreme Court. So what we can't ban 334 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 3: these things. So what we'll do is we'll just tax them, 335 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 3: but will require registration of them as part of the tax. 336 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 3: That way, if we catch someone who hasn't registered and 337 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 3: paid the tax on that item, we can put them 338 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 3: in prison. And if gangsters are buying them, AHA will 339 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 3: know that we can prohibit that we can go arrest them, 340 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 3: particularly when they haven't paid the tax. And it was 341 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 3: a way of regulating these items, these NFA items, these 342 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 3: NFA firearms, under the guise of taxation. What they really 343 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 3: wanted was the registration component. And so what happened, well, 344 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 3: you had a lawsuit filed. It wasn't a lawsuit so 345 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 3: much as it was a criminal prosecution of a guy 346 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 3: named Sonzinski. And this ended up going all the way 347 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 3: up to the US Supreme Court. And by the way, 348 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 3: this is an originated right next door in Illinois, went 349 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 3: to the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals, which Indiana's in 350 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 3: that same seven circuit. But he was a guy who 351 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 3: was a gun dealer who didn't pay his extra tax because, 352 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,479 Speaker 3: by the way, you have to pay also what's called 353 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 3: a special occupational tax in order to deal in NFA items. 354 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 3: That's part of the NFA, and you can't possess an 355 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 3: NFA item without having paid the tax. And reach well 356 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 3: Sonzinski was a gun dealer and he hadn't paid his 357 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 3: special occupational tax to be an NFA dealer. He also 358 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 3: possessed at least one short barreled shock done without having 359 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 3: paid the tax himself. So he got it prosecuted, and 360 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 3: you're looking at ten years in federal prison. And Sanzinsky said, 361 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 3: back in the thirties, not long after the NFA was passed, 362 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 3: let's whole thing's unconstitutional. It is disguised as a tax, 363 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 3: but it is really gun control registration and regulation, which 364 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 3: the federal government has no constitutional authority to do. It's 365 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 3: a police power which is reserved to the state and 366 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 3: the federal government has no constitutional authority to even pass 367 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 3: the NFA, much less enforce it and put me in prison. 368 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 3: And this goes up to the United States Supreme Court, 369 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 3: and they issued their decision in nineteen thirty seven. Now, 370 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 3: why are we talking about a nineteen thirty seven decision. 371 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 3: We're gonna take a break here right now. But the 372 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 3: reason we're talking about it is because that decision forms 373 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 3: the basis for litigation going on right now that may 374 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 3: ultimately go to the Supreme Court as well on whether 375 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 3: recent changes to the NFA and the taxation required as 376 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 3: part of NFA actually render it completely unconstitutional and therefore unenforceable. 377 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 3: I went a little quickly through that. If that didn't 378 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 3: make sense to you, if that's confusing to you, I 379 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 3: will parse that out and make it much more clear 380 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 3: when we come back. Right now, we're past the bottom 381 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 3: of the hour. It's time to take a break, it 382 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 3: says Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on ninety 383 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 3: three WIBC. 384 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: The show about gun rights, gun safety, and responsible gun ownership. 385 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: This is the Gun Guy with Guy Ralford on three WYPC. 386 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 3: And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy 387 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 3: Show on ninety three WIBC here with producer Kevin, who's 388 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 3: been kind enough to help us out here on the weekend. 389 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 3: Stepped into the breach as we're sort of between producers 390 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 3: and so he's doing heroic work, which we greatly appreciate 391 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 3: him giving up his Saturday evening to help us out here, 392 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 3: not only on the Gun Guy Show, but on Saturday 393 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 3: night on The Circle coming up right here at seven o'clock. 394 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 3: But I was talking about this son Zensky case. Son 395 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 3: Zensky's a guy who's a dealer, but he didn't register, 396 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 3: didn't pay his sot as special occupational tax, which you 397 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,719 Speaker 3: have to do in order to deal in NFA items, 398 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 3: and he himself possessed a short brailed shotgun that's required 399 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 3: to be registered and also requires a two hundred dollars 400 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 3: tax for you upon registration to be able to possess that. 401 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 3: And by the way, whenever I talk about NFA and 402 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 3: I talk about the two hundred dollar tax, I always 403 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 3: repeat this story. So if you're rolling your eyes at 404 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 3: me and you're saying to yourself you've heard this before, 405 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 3: I forgive me, But to me, it's so interesting. I 406 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 3: always want to repeat it for anybody who hasn't heard it, 407 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 3: the original two hundred dollars tax, which has never gone 408 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 3: up since nineteen thirty four. What I mean not that 409 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 3: I'm happy about paying two hundred dollars. And listen, I 410 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 3: have a lot of suppressors. I'm somewhat addicted to suppressors. 411 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 3: You start shooting suppressed, you want more suppressors. That's just 412 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 3: the way it works. I've got several SBRs and an SBS. 413 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 3: In fact, it was what twenty thirteen, I think, when 414 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 3: Indiana decriminalized so called sawed off shotguns, and July first, 415 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 3: when the Indiana law was going into effect, like at 416 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 3: midnight twelve oh one, I filed my electronic Form one 417 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 3: to make a short barreled shotgun because I wanted to 418 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 3: be the first kid on my block in Indiana to 419 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 3: have a short bailed shotgun. But the tax is two 420 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 3: hundred dollars, and I'm not that crazy about paying two 421 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 3: hundred dollars for every suppresser I want to buy. You're 422 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 3: buying an eight hundred dollars, one thousand dollars presser. Well, 423 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 3: how they got pay an out of twenty percent for 424 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 3: the damn tax. Not happy about it, but it's an 425 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 3: interesting question or an interesting point to say, what what else, 426 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 3: whether it's taxes or retail costs or anything else, what 427 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 3: else hasn't gone up since nineteen thirty four. I mean, seriously, 428 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 3: ninety years plus. That's pretty impressive. The two dollars tax 429 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 3: has always been the two hundred dollars tax. And you 430 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 3: know where that came from. The retail cost in nineteen 431 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 3: thirty four of a Thompson submachine gun was two hundred dollars, 432 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,479 Speaker 3: and so Congress thought it would be really slick to 433 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 3: impose a one hundred percent tax on a Thompson submachine 434 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 3: gun in order for anybody to own one. And they 435 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 3: thought that would greatly discourage anybody from buying one, because 436 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 3: you just doubled the cost. And secondly, they could collect 437 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 3: that revenue. So at any rate, mister Sonzisky's being press 438 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 3: secuted right over in Illinois because he didn't pay his 439 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 3: tax and he possessed an unregistered Trump real Chuck, And 440 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 3: he says the NFA is unconstitutional because Congress didn't have 441 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 3: the constitutional authority to regulate guns. There's nothing within the 442 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 3: Constitution that gives Congress that power. They're essentially trying to 443 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 3: keep people safe quote unquote at least that's the ostensible 444 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 3: reason for passing the law, and that's a police power 445 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 3: which is not granted to the federal government in the Constitution. 446 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 3: And that old pesky tenth Amendment says that if any 447 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 3: power is not expressly granted to the federal government in 448 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 3: the Constitution, it's reserved for the states and the people. 449 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 3: So boom, no constitutional authority. And the argument against that 450 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 3: that came back from the government was, oh, no, this 451 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 3: is simply a tax statute. It's primarily revenue generating. It's 452 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 3: not exercising a true police power. Wink wink, It's just 453 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 3: requiring taxation. And the whole registration thing is just sort 454 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 3: of a way of keeping track of who's paid the 455 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 3: tax and who has it. So while there may be 456 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 3: some incidental benefit of the statute in terms of keeping 457 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 3: people safer and regulating firearms in the process, that's not 458 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 3: really what it's about. It's about generating revenue. And the 459 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,959 Speaker 3: federal government is granted a taxing power by the Constitution 460 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 3: so exclusively because it was a taxing statute. The Supreme 461 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,719 Speaker 3: Court in nineteen thirty seven, in the Suzinski case, rules 462 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 3: that on that basis and on that basis alone, the 463 00:29:51,680 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 3: NFA is constitutional. All right. Flash forward in twenty five, 464 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 3: we're fighting in Congress to try to deregulate under the 465 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 3: NFA short brailed shotguns, short brailed rifles, and suppressors take 466 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 3: them out of the NFA altogether, and different iterations of 467 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 3: the so called great, big, beautiful bill. Certainly big, there 468 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 3: are a lot of people who will debate how beautiful, 469 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 3: but different iterations of that, different drafts of that, especially 470 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,959 Speaker 3: going back and forth between the House and the Senate, 471 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 3: either completely took suppressors, short brailed rifles, and short brail 472 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 3: shotguns out of the NFA, or simply eliminated the tax 473 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 3: on those items, but left the NFA requirement of registration. Ultimately, 474 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 3: the way it's passed, and this goes into effect January first, 475 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,719 Speaker 3: twenty twenty six, which is coming right up, they simply 476 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 3: remove the tax. They still require the registration on those 477 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 3: three items, but they remove the tax. And this was 478 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 3: a big concession that a lot of people weren't all 479 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 3: that happy about that. The pro two way people in 480 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 3: Congress were willing to give up. But what does that 481 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 3: do eliminating the tax on those three items? What does 482 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 3: that do to the constitutionality of the NFA given the 483 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 3: Sonzinsky decision, which is the Supreme Court case. It says 484 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 3: it's only constitution it's only constitutional because it collects a tax. Well, 485 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 3: that's where we are, and that led to a Gun 486 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 3: Owners of America lawsuit to say that the NFA is 487 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 3: unconstitutional at a minimum as to those three items SBRs, 488 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 3: SBSS and suppressors because they did away with the tax. 489 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 3: And the only ostensible reason that she's constitutional to begin 490 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 3: with is because it collects attacks. Well, that sounds pretty 491 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 3: solid to me, and a lot of us expected the 492 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 3: federal government, through Pam Bondi's Department of Justice, to simply 493 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 3: fold their tent and go home and say, yep, got 494 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 3: us there. You must be right, the NFA is unconstitutional 495 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 3: at least as to those items. Is that what's happened? Ah, 496 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 3: therein lies the rub. That's what we'll go into when 497 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 3: we come back. Right now, we're taking a break. This 498 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 3: is Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on ninety 499 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 3: three WYBC. Guy Relford for the law office of Guy Ralford. 500 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 3: If you've lost your gun rights through a criminal conviction 501 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 3: or other issue that's happened with you legally be interested 502 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 3: in restoring your gun rights, contact us through the website. 503 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 3: It's Ralfordlaw dot com. For a lot of folks, not 504 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 3: necessarily everyone, for a lot of folks. We can do 505 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 3: a lot of good in terms of restoring rights. We're 506 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 3: happy to talk to you about that. Go to the website, 507 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 3: either send us an email through the website or the 508 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 3: phone numbers right there. You can call us during the 509 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 3: Week'd be glad to talk to you about restoring Second 510 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 3: Amendment rights. If that's something that you're interested in pursuing. 511 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 3: It's Ralford Law dot com. 512 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: Your Rights, your responsibilities, your guns. This is the Gun 513 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: Guy with Guy Ralford on ninety three wy VC. 514 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 3: And welcome back. We've got kind of a short segment here, 515 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 3: so we're not going to be here real long. Although 516 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 3: I got I got to mention some idiot on the 517 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 3: YouTube feed, see who is this jen something just made 518 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 3: the points. So I hate it when when people like 519 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 3: Guy ignore shall not be infringed and and and give 520 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 3: a pass to blatant infringement of the Second Amendment by 521 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 3: simply saying that the tax hasn't gone up or some 522 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 3: crap like that. You know, usually listeners of the Gun 523 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 3: Guy Show have much better listening comprehension than this idiot. 524 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 3: I'm not forgiving any infringement of the Second Amendment. I'm 525 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 3: not minimizing the fact the federal government continues to infringe 526 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 3: our Second Amendment rights. In fact, my whole point in 527 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 3: this segment, which I will continue in a moment, is 528 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 3: the NFA is and should be found to be constant 529 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:38,240 Speaker 3: unconstitutional and go away in its entirety. And I'm making 530 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 3: some interesting, in my mind, anyway, interesting historical note about 531 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 3: how the tax hasn't gone up. It's just interesting to 532 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,399 Speaker 3: me that was two hundred dollars in nineteen thirty four 533 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 3: and it's two hundred dollars in twenty twenty five. That 534 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 3: doesn't forgive any infringement upon our rights. There, Einstein, and 535 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 3: simply noting it's interesting that Congress has never raised it. 536 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,879 Speaker 3: In the meantime, what the lawsuit that was filed by 537 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,800 Speaker 3: the Gun Owners of America says is that because the 538 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 3: tax has gone away, and the Sunzinski Supreme Court decision 539 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,280 Speaker 3: said the NFA is only constitutional because of the tax, 540 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 3: it should now be found to be unconstitutional. And as 541 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 3: I mentioned, there was some hope now it turns out 542 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:30,720 Speaker 3: to be naive that the Pam Bondi Department of Justice, 543 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 3: that under her leadership as Attorney General would turn around 544 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 3: and say, you know, what you're right is unconstitutional, and 545 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 3: the whole thing would fold. Is that. What's happened. No, 546 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 3: what's happened is they just, I believe yesterday the day before, 547 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 3: filed their brief in response to this lawsuit, and they 548 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 3: not only continue to make the argument that the NFA 549 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 3: is constitutional, they go way beyond the basis of the 550 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 3: Sunzinski decision and making a lot of arguments that the 551 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 3: gun control proponents in this country have been making for years. 552 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 3: How offensive is that. That's all We'll go into in 553 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 3: a lot more detail when we come back in our 554 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 3: number two. Right now, we're taking a break. Guy Ralford 555 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 3: on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WYBC. 556 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 1: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of 557 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 1: a free state, the right of the people to keep 558 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 1: in bear arms shall not be infringed. This is the 559 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,839 Speaker 1: Second Amendment, and this is the gun Guy. 560 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 2: Boom boom boom boom bang bang bang bang boom boom boom, 561 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 2: boom bang bang. 562 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: Guy Ralford on ninety three WYBC. 563 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,359 Speaker 3: Yah welcome back for our number two the Gun Guy 564 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:53,800 Speaker 3: Show here on ninety three WIBC. So we were talking 565 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:58,320 Speaker 3: about the lawsuit that Gun Owners of America brought to 566 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 3: set aside major components of National Firearms Act. And this 567 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 3: thing looks to have an incredibly solid argument behind it, 568 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 3: which is, hey, the NFA is only constitution will begin with, 569 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 3: at least according to the Sonzinsky case from nineteen thirty seven, 570 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 3: because it's not really gun control, it's not really exercising 571 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 3: the police power. It's just the federal government doing what 572 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 3: it's authorized to do, which is Levy attacks. Well, the 573 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 3: tax just went away on sbr's, sbs is and suppressors. 574 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 3: So doesn't that do away with the constitutionality of the 575 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 3: statute at least as to those items. That seems to 576 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 3: me to be a pretty simple yes, but in a 577 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 3: move that is greatly disappointing to a lot of us, 578 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 3: and disappointing is different than surprising, And let's talk about 579 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 3: that for a minute. You know, Pam Bondy as Attorney General, 580 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 3: there was a significant portion of gun rights organizations and 581 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 3: those of us who value the Second Amendment and in 582 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,399 Speaker 3: fact been engaged in the fight for Second Amendment rights 583 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 3: for a long time that had very legitimate concerns about 584 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:27,280 Speaker 3: Pam Bondi becoming Attorney General and why is that. Pam 585 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:35,319 Speaker 3: Bondy was Attorney General of Florida before Trump nominated her 586 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,720 Speaker 3: to be US Attorney General. While Attorney General of Florida, 587 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:47,320 Speaker 3: she litigated litigation on behalf of the state of Florida 588 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 3: to protect, to preserve, to defend the constitutionality of Florida's 589 00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:00,760 Speaker 3: red flag laws allowing gun seizure from people who haven't 590 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 3: been convicted of any crime, and one that got a 591 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 3: lot of people somewhat by surprise in terms of the 592 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 3: federal or excuse me, in terms of the State of 593 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:17,719 Speaker 3: Florida being willing to aid pass this and then the 594 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 3: Attorney general there being willing to defend it in court, 595 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,400 Speaker 3: which was Florida passed a prohibition on the purchase of 596 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 3: any long gun by people under twenty one. Federal law 597 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 3: says you have to be twenty one to buy a handgun, 598 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 3: but federal law says you can buy a long gun, 599 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 3: a rifle, or a shotgun when you're eighteen. After the 600 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 3: Parkland school shooting at the Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School, 601 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,320 Speaker 3: in Florida, the state of Florida, the legislature passed a 602 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:49,879 Speaker 3: law there that says you have to be twenty one 603 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 3: to buy a rifle or a shotgun, saying that essentially, 604 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 3: if you're in the ray age range from eighteen to 605 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 3: twenty one, you have no Second Amendment rights because you 606 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 3: can't buy a handgun already under federal law, and now 607 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 3: you can't buy a rifle or a shotgun under Florida law. 608 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,879 Speaker 3: And a lot of people rightfully so. And in fact, 609 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,719 Speaker 3: this is another issue that's going to be litigated at 610 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 3: the federal level in terms of even the federal prohibition 611 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 3: on handguns, and I fully expect that to be turned around. 612 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 3: But Pam Bondi defended that litigation as well for Florida, 613 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 3: so she's out there on record, and again part of 614 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,880 Speaker 3: her job, and the reason I was willing to at 615 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 3: least reserve judgment. Had a lot of trepidation, had a 616 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,720 Speaker 3: lot of concern, But I was willing to reserve judgment 617 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,880 Speaker 3: as US Attorney General because her job as Florida Attorney 618 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:49,880 Speaker 3: General is to defend the statutes on the books, and 619 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,839 Speaker 3: it doesn't necessarily denote what her personal views are. Her 620 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 3: personal legal analysis necessarily if her job the job described 621 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:06,279 Speaker 3: is to defend the statute, because there it's an up 622 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,920 Speaker 3: or down decision. It's legal. It's either constitutional or it's not. 623 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 3: And I wasn't pleased with the position she took in 624 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,840 Speaker 3: those cases, but I thought, well, let's wait and see. 625 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 3: So then we started off pretty well with the US 626 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 3: Attorney General and the Trump administration because one of the 627 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,799 Speaker 3: first things she did, she came out and announced that 628 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:29,320 Speaker 3: the US Department of Justice would review the federal government's 629 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,960 Speaker 3: position in any pending case involving Second Amendment rights, and 630 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 3: in those cases where they felt that a federal statute 631 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,480 Speaker 3: was unconstitutional, they would fold their tent and concede. And 632 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,440 Speaker 3: in those cases where they felt the argument against the 633 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,399 Speaker 3: federal government promoting Second Amendment rights was the better part 634 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:51,360 Speaker 3: of the argument, they would concede and they would resolve 635 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 3: those cases and promote Second Amendment rights. And we have 636 00:41:55,520 --> 00:42:01,319 Speaker 3: some solid examples of that. Pretty much gave up in 637 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,239 Speaker 3: the bumpstock no excuse me, bumpstock litigation went at the 638 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 3: Supreme Court. I didn't mean to say bump stock, I 639 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,320 Speaker 3: meant pistol brace litigation. They pretty much gave up in 640 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:14,960 Speaker 3: the pistol brace litigation, and that issue went away. Forced 641 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,400 Speaker 3: reset triggers. They pretty much gave up on forced reset triggers. 642 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:24,800 Speaker 3: They settled that case to say that essentially now forced 643 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,440 Speaker 3: reset triggers, no, do not convert a gun into a 644 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 3: machine gun and are totally legal. You can put a 645 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,480 Speaker 3: forced reset trigger into your rifle, your handgun for that matter, 646 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,680 Speaker 3: doesn't convert it to a machine gun. Good thing. I 647 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,799 Speaker 3: have a forced reset trigger and an SBR that I 648 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 3: have and that's because the federal government resolved that litigation 649 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,920 Speaker 3: with rare Breed if you want to look that up 650 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,840 Speaker 3: US versus rare Breed and said, nope, you're what. You 651 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,359 Speaker 3: guys made that force reset trigger. They're good to go 652 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 3: and and not illegal. And so we had some reason 653 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 3: to be optimistic. But then we get to this litigation 654 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:07,640 Speaker 3: involving the NFA and they didn't just come back and 655 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,920 Speaker 3: file a brief. And this is this is where the 656 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,680 Speaker 3: Gun Owners of America is trying to win on summary judgment, 657 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 3: a purely legal argument, file a motion, file a brief 658 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 3: court rules on that. The federal government, in the form 659 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 3: of the Pam Bondi Department of Justice, filed a response. 660 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:32,160 Speaker 3: It doesn't just say, well, for certainly, it doesn't concede 661 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,320 Speaker 3: that doing away with a tax on those NFA items 662 00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,520 Speaker 3: at issue makes an extatute unconstitutional. They didn't concede it. 663 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:47,000 Speaker 3: They argue, no, no, it's still constitutional. They went way, way, 664 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,839 Speaker 3: way beyond that. And this is where it's disappointing. They 665 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,840 Speaker 3: came out and they said, well, Congress can regulate anything 666 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:59,040 Speaker 3: at once to regarding firearms under the Commerce Clause. And listen, 667 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,480 Speaker 3: if you want to get me going, I'll tell you 668 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:07,680 Speaker 3: that the biggest, the biggest attack on freedom in this country, 669 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,839 Speaker 3: and the biggest over extension of federal power and over 670 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:17,960 Speaker 3: extension of Congress's power ever in this country has been 671 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:22,000 Speaker 3: the Supreme Court allowing Congress to use the Commerce Clause 672 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 3: to regulate almost any damn thing they want to. Well, 673 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 3: if something affects interstate commerce in some way, then the 674 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,080 Speaker 3: constitutional delegation of power to the federal government to regulate 675 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:44,239 Speaker 3: interstate commerce is implicated, and then therefore it's constitutional. That's 676 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:50,799 Speaker 3: not what the founders intended with the Commerce Clause. And 677 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,160 Speaker 3: that's been that's been the subject of or that's been 678 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,240 Speaker 3: the rationale behind the passing of every federal gun control 679 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:03,360 Speaker 3: law since then, if you notice in things like the 680 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,040 Speaker 3: Brady Bill or whatnot, they'll say as to firearms that 681 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,960 Speaker 3: have moved in interstate commerce, and then they go on 682 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:13,839 Speaker 3: and regulate whatever they want to. They weren't beyond that, 683 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,000 Speaker 3: and they said, well, the necessary and proper clause, right, 684 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:21,520 Speaker 3: because if the federal government has been specifically delegated a 685 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,680 Speaker 3: particular power, necessary and proper clause of the Constitution says, well, 686 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,480 Speaker 3: they also have the power those additional powers that are 687 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,959 Speaker 3: necessary and proper in order to enforce the power given 688 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:38,240 Speaker 3: to them by the Constitution. Well, that's not a grant 689 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,120 Speaker 3: of all new powers. It doesn't give them powers not 690 00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:47,120 Speaker 3: relegated to them. It just allows them to take the 691 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:51,400 Speaker 3: steps necessary to do the job the Constitution assigns to them. 692 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,319 Speaker 3: But then they went beyond that, and they even in 693 00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,719 Speaker 3: this brief went on to say that these particular NFA 694 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:05,879 Speaker 3: items sharp brail rifle, short brail shotguns, and suppressors. Guess 695 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,920 Speaker 3: what term they used weapons of war? Weapons of war 696 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:15,560 Speaker 3: that need to be specifically regulated by the NFA to 697 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:21,560 Speaker 3: keep American safe. I'm going to leave it there while 698 00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,440 Speaker 3: we go into this break, but let's talk a little 699 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:29,160 Speaker 3: bit about how completely inconsistent. That is with the Sunzinski decision, 700 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,319 Speaker 3: which is the one that established for the first time 701 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:38,040 Speaker 3: that NFA was constitutional to begin with. It's completely inconsistent. 702 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,400 Speaker 3: It's maddening. And the fact that this came out of 703 00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:47,359 Speaker 3: Trump's Department of Justice and the Department of Justice run 704 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,399 Speaker 3: now by Attorney General Pam Bondi is not just disappointing 705 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:57,360 Speaker 3: to me, it's disgusting. It's making every liberal gun control advocate, 706 00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,680 Speaker 3: every gun graber. I don't even use that term a lot. 707 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:06,440 Speaker 3: It's overused. What did they love to say? They love 708 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,560 Speaker 3: to talk about keeping people safe, and they love to 709 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:15,239 Speaker 3: talk about guns of war, weapons of war that need 710 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,360 Speaker 3: to be taken out of the hands of the common citizen. 711 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,439 Speaker 3: Guns of war, weapons of war. Let's talk about that 712 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:30,000 Speaker 3: and what our founders absolutely believe about that issue. When 713 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:31,640 Speaker 3: we come back. Right now, we're taking a break. This 714 00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,399 Speaker 3: is Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on ninety 715 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,319 Speaker 3: three WWC Guy Ralford for the Law Officers of Guy Relford. 716 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,839 Speaker 3: If you're interested in having your gun rights restored after 717 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,480 Speaker 3: a conviction, including a conviction for a crime of domestic violence, 718 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,319 Speaker 3: there's a process to restore your rights. It's available to 719 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,759 Speaker 3: a lot of people, not necessarily everyone, But if you're 720 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,759 Speaker 3: interested in knowing whether there's a relief available to you, 721 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,399 Speaker 3: contact us through the website. Just go to Ralford Law 722 00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:02,960 Speaker 3: dot com. That's Welford Law dot com. 723 00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:07,439 Speaker 1: Now you've got a gun guy, Guy Ralford on ninety 724 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:08,720 Speaker 1: three WYPC. 725 00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,399 Speaker 3: Man, welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on the Gun Guy 726 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,319 Speaker 3: Show on ninety three WYBC. And I got to tell 727 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:23,279 Speaker 3: you this argument from the BONDI d OJ, you know, 728 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:29,360 Speaker 3: and for Trump's DOJ to do this again disappointing and 729 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,360 Speaker 3: surprising her two different things. And we knew back in 730 00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:37,040 Speaker 3: twenty sixteen President Trump was going to be a mixed 731 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,160 Speaker 3: bag on two way. He said all the right things 732 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,239 Speaker 3: showed up to the in our annual meeting, but he 733 00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,560 Speaker 3: also said some very troubling things. He's the guy who 734 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,479 Speaker 3: on live TV I was watching at the time, talking 735 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,759 Speaker 3: about red flag laws, he said, take the gun's first 736 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:59,319 Speaker 3: due process. Later. That's from President Trump, and again he 737 00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,960 Speaker 3: says a lot of the right things, but on his watch, 738 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:09,120 Speaker 3: the BONDI DOJ is taking positions here that I found 739 00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,640 Speaker 3: not just inconsistent with Second Amendment rights, I find completely 740 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:18,240 Speaker 3: repugnant and talking about these particular NFA regulated items SBRs, 741 00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:23,360 Speaker 3: sbs is insprise weapons of war as a justification for 742 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,200 Speaker 3: continuing this regulation on them. I mean, I got two 743 00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,319 Speaker 3: I have two problems with that. First problem is you're 744 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:36,120 Speaker 3: just appealing to this emotional reaction that oh, my gosh, 745 00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:40,320 Speaker 3: private citizens shouldn't have these ultra hazard it's ultra dangerous 746 00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,560 Speaker 3: weapons of war that could only should only be in 747 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:51,120 Speaker 3: the hands of law enforcement and the military, and and 748 00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,600 Speaker 3: and trying to demonize firearms that a lot of us own. 749 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,200 Speaker 3: And by the way, the NFA doesn't say we can't 750 00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,440 Speaker 3: own them, just as just says we have to pay 751 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:07,760 Speaker 3: this ridiculous tax and register them. So I mean, exactly 752 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,759 Speaker 3: what is the priority and keeping them out of the 753 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,719 Speaker 3: hands of ordinary citizens is all we got to do 754 00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,960 Speaker 3: is bribe the government to let us own them. Logically, 755 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:21,719 Speaker 3: that doesn't stand up. But secondly, I'm completely disgusted by 756 00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,760 Speaker 3: the use of that term as an argument for why 757 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:27,560 Speaker 3: guns ought to be taken out of the hands of 758 00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:32,640 Speaker 3: private citizens or regulated in this case, when I have 759 00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:36,760 Speaker 3: no doubt whatsoever that our founders absolutely intended for actual 760 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,800 Speaker 3: weapons of war to be in the hands of private citizens. 761 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,120 Speaker 3: I mean, look, at the wording of the Second Amendment itself. 762 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,040 Speaker 3: You know what the anti TWOA people tried to use 763 00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,759 Speaker 3: as a rationale, And again, what for justices of the U. S. 764 00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:56,920 Speaker 3: Supreme Court agreed with was the preamble, the opening clause 765 00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,800 Speaker 3: of the Second Amendment talking about a well regulated militia, 766 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,080 Speaker 3: well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a 767 00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,520 Speaker 3: free state. The right of the people to keep in 768 00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:12,839 Speaker 3: bare arms shall not be infrenhed. We so, well, there 769 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,160 Speaker 3: you go talking about well regulated militia. That means you 770 00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,920 Speaker 3: need to be in a militia for the Second Amendment 771 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,040 Speaker 3: to protect any rights that you have. Supreme Court rejected 772 00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:25,280 Speaker 3: that and said, no, they were simply they were simply 773 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:30,480 Speaker 3: elucidating a motivation to preserve rights of individual citizens to 774 00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:36,279 Speaker 3: bear arms, to keep and bear arms. But when you 775 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:40,279 Speaker 3: look at that motivation, a well regulated militia, which is 776 00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,080 Speaker 3: the Supreme Court held in the hell Or decision, is you, 777 00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:48,839 Speaker 3: it's me. It's the common citizen being necessary for the 778 00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,680 Speaker 3: security of a free state. If you and I, as 779 00:51:52,760 --> 00:52:00,000 Speaker 3: private citizens, as the militia in the eyes of the founders, 780 00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:04,279 Speaker 3: if we're necessary and our right to bear arms is 781 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:10,040 Speaker 3: necessary for the security of a free state. There's two 782 00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:14,640 Speaker 3: key words there. Security. Yeah, because we want the militia, 783 00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,440 Speaker 3: I want the common man to stand right next to 784 00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:22,920 Speaker 3: the standing army to repel foreign invaders, to fight wars. 785 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,640 Speaker 3: That security. But then what the word free in there? 786 00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,919 Speaker 3: What's the word free and there for? And listen, don't 787 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:31,680 Speaker 3: take my word for it. Look at the Heller decision. 788 00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,640 Speaker 3: The Supreme Court held this and they have reiterated it 789 00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:39,040 Speaker 3: since then. It's one of the primary motivations to pass 790 00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,600 Speaker 3: the Second Amendment and preserve and protect the right to 791 00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,160 Speaker 3: bear arms of the common citizen is to protect against 792 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:48,279 Speaker 3: the tyrannical government. Why on earth would we want the 793 00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:54,359 Speaker 3: citizens to be as well armed as the government in 794 00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:59,000 Speaker 3: order to protect the security of a free state. And 795 00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:03,120 Speaker 3: in the same brown us say that citizens shouldn't be 796 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,680 Speaker 3: as well armed when it comes to so called weapons 797 00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,960 Speaker 3: of war. Does that make any damn sense to you? 798 00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,400 Speaker 3: Of course not. Does it make any sense in the 799 00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:15,520 Speaker 3: context of necessary to the security of a free state. 800 00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,200 Speaker 3: If we're necessary to the security of a free state, 801 00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,520 Speaker 3: just as the standing army is, then we ought to 802 00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,879 Speaker 3: be just as well armed as a standing army. That 803 00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:30,840 Speaker 3: just makes sense. And it is a literal easy logical 804 00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,880 Speaker 3: interpretation of the Second Amendment. And then you have the 805 00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:40,960 Speaker 3: Miller case from nineteen thirty nine, again talking about sought 806 00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:46,320 Speaker 3: off shotguns, another NFA case, and the Supreme Court said 807 00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:51,160 Speaker 3: that short barreled shotguns, sought off shotguns, quote unquote, are 808 00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,279 Speaker 3: not protected by the Second Amendment. Therefore, it can be 809 00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,239 Speaker 3: regulated under the NFA because they're not particularly useful for 810 00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:03,600 Speaker 3: military service. Hold on, and they went through the exact 811 00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,560 Speaker 3: same analysis I just did. Under the Second Amendment, it 812 00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,480 Speaker 3: said necessary for the security of a free state, necessary 813 00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:14,400 Speaker 3: for service and a militia. So only those firearms particularly 814 00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,320 Speaker 3: useful for military service are protected by the Second Amendment. 815 00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,040 Speaker 3: And how the hell since nineteen thirty nine have we 816 00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,160 Speaker 3: completely turned that on its head and said, wait a minute, 817 00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,640 Speaker 3: if a firearm is only useful for military service, it's 818 00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,680 Speaker 3: not protected by the Second Amendment. That's exactly the opposite 819 00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:33,840 Speaker 3: of A what the Second Amendment says, and b what 820 00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:38,160 Speaker 3: the Miller decision from nineteen thirty nine says, and all. 821 00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,120 Speaker 3: That's pretty damn obvious to me, But it's obviously not 822 00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,759 Speaker 3: obvious to the Pam Bondi Justice Department, who wants to 823 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:49,399 Speaker 3: use this emotional argument of weapons of war to argue 824 00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,920 Speaker 3: for regulation and argue for the constitutionality of the NFA. 825 00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:59,160 Speaker 3: It's completely turning logic, law, and precedent on their heads, 826 00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,600 Speaker 3: all of which is repugnant to me. So is there 827 00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,040 Speaker 3: anything we can do about it? Well, listen, I don't know, 828 00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:10,640 Speaker 3: don't I don't know that the Trump administration or the 829 00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,880 Speaker 3: Pam BONDI DOJ will listen to us. But in the 830 00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,720 Speaker 3: in the social media post that I reposted, both on 831 00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:25,920 Speaker 3: Twitter or x and Facebook, the Gun Runs of America 832 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:27,759 Speaker 3: they have a phone number to call. They say, call 833 00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,440 Speaker 3: and urge the Trump DOJ to stop defending gun registration, 834 00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:35,360 Speaker 3: stop attacking the Second Amendment and in the unconstitutional NFA. 835 00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,200 Speaker 3: And they give a phone number. And this is on 836 00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:42,440 Speaker 3: my social media It's at Guy Relford on Twitter. I'm 837 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,319 Speaker 3: also just Guy Relford on Facebook. But the phone number, 838 00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,680 Speaker 3: if you're taking this down, hey, it's worth a phone call. 839 00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:52,680 Speaker 3: Two O two four five six one one one one. 840 00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,960 Speaker 3: Pretty easy to remember. Two O two four five six 841 00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:02,239 Speaker 3: one one one Gun Runs of America owner of Gun 842 00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,799 Speaker 3: Owners of America. The organization is urging us to call 843 00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,799 Speaker 3: that number. Ay, I say, let's do it. Let's all 844 00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,560 Speaker 3: do it. You listen to this show, give it a 845 00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,000 Speaker 3: call two two four five six and say, what the 846 00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,800 Speaker 3: hell is Pam BONDI doing. You're supposed to be supporting 847 00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,759 Speaker 3: and defending our Second Amendment rights. You're making arguments that 848 00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,160 Speaker 3: the gun grabbers use against us. This is not what 849 00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:27,239 Speaker 3: we expected, this is not what we want, and it's 850 00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,840 Speaker 3: something we actually demand of the Trump administration to be 851 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,560 Speaker 3: turned around. One hundred and eighty degrees. That's worth a call. 852 00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,640 Speaker 3: I've made the call. I'm going to call back, and 853 00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,080 Speaker 3: I urge everyone who's listening to the show tonight to 854 00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:41,279 Speaker 3: do exactly the same thing. Is at the bottom of 855 00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,440 Speaker 3: the arrow is take a break. We'll we'll change subjects 856 00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,319 Speaker 3: here a little bit, and I'll tell you what I've 857 00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,560 Speaker 3: been ignoring the phone lines. Apologies to anyone who has called. 858 00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,880 Speaker 3: We have one brave soul who's stuck around. We'll go 859 00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:54,840 Speaker 3: to the phone lines. If you want to join the 860 00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,000 Speaker 3: discussion about anything too Ray related, just give us a call. 861 00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:03,200 Speaker 3: Join the discussion. Three one seven ninety three. This is 862 00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,920 Speaker 3: Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WYBC. 863 00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:14,600 Speaker 1: He's a Second Amendment attorney. He's an NRA certified firearms instructor. 864 00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:19,840 Speaker 1: He's the Gun Guy Guy Ralford on ninety three WYPC. 865 00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,480 Speaker 3: And welcome back on Guy Rulford on The Gun Guy 866 00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,800 Speaker 3: Show on ninety three WIBC. I'll tell you what Howard 867 00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:31,200 Speaker 3: has been on hold for man right at an hour. Howard, 868 00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,200 Speaker 3: you are a rock star. I'm so sorry it took 869 00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:34,600 Speaker 3: me so long to get to you, buddy. I was 870 00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,600 Speaker 3: on a little bit of a rant, and forgive me 871 00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:39,480 Speaker 3: for that, but thanks so much for your patience. 872 00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:44,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's been a bunch of internet blogs and stuff 873 00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:50,600 Speaker 4: about the VA issuing carry permits for veterans. What do 874 00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:57,720 Speaker 4: you know about that? The vah Vedoran administration comes on, man, 875 00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,520 Speaker 4: don't make a little online quiz. 876 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,640 Speaker 3: No, man, I think that's a scam, Howard. 877 00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,600 Speaker 4: You know what I thought so too. That's why I'm 878 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,520 Speaker 4: asking I will. 879 00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,960 Speaker 3: I will look into that. But I've not seen any 880 00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:16,600 Speaker 3: such thing. And there is no There is no federal 881 00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:22,680 Speaker 3: gun permit, you know that. I'm aware of, period, and 882 00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:26,880 Speaker 3: and and what we're looking at with national reciprocity is 883 00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:31,960 Speaker 3: requiring each state to recognize the license of every other state. Now, 884 00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,040 Speaker 3: there is a little bit of precedent, and this is 885 00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,560 Speaker 3: why this bears some investigation, Howard, and I'm glad you 886 00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,400 Speaker 3: called because I will look into this, uh hopefully here 887 00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:44,760 Speaker 3: this week. But the there is a little bit of 888 00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:50,800 Speaker 3: precedent in that Congress past, the Law Enforcement Officer Safety 889 00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:55,160 Speaker 3: Act LIOSA that allows law enforcement officers and some retired 890 00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:59,440 Speaker 3: qualified retired law enforcement officers to be able to carry 891 00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:04,280 Speaker 3: their guns state to state, irrespective of the laws of 892 00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:08,080 Speaker 3: individual states. To the contrary. Now, there have been officers 893 00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:09,920 Speaker 3: who had a hard time with that, and there was 894 00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,960 Speaker 3: a famous case in Illinois where Illinois basically said, we 895 00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,800 Speaker 3: don't care what LEOSA says. We're going to prosecute officers 896 00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:21,320 Speaker 3: for carrying guns into Illinois who aren't on duty in Illinois. 897 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,280 Speaker 3: But the LEOS is out there. But that was that 898 00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:28,040 Speaker 3: was a federal statute. Is a federal statute passed by Congress. 899 00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:33,640 Speaker 3: And I don't know any authority for the Veterans Administration 900 00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:37,720 Speaker 3: to pair just to have some regulation that allows veterans 901 00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:39,840 Speaker 3: to carry state to state. I could be completely wrong 902 00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:44,000 Speaker 3: if anybody knows more about this than I do, because 903 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,160 Speaker 3: this may be news to me, and I'm always willing 904 00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:50,120 Speaker 3: to be educated. Give me a call. Join the discussion. 905 00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,720 Speaker 3: Three one seven two three nine ninety three ninety three, 906 00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,200 Speaker 3: or contact me again through the website ralfridlaw dot com 907 00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,080 Speaker 3: if I'm wrong on this and I need to be educated, 908 00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,720 Speaker 3: I'd love to to know more, but I think it's 909 01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,720 Speaker 3: a scamp. One thing I will tell you for sure 910 01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,919 Speaker 3: is there are these things. I see them all the time, 911 01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,120 Speaker 3: and I always comment, and I'm sure my comments get 912 01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,640 Speaker 3: deleted more often than not, but I always come to 913 01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:17,000 Speaker 3: these things on social media says get a fifty state 914 01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:21,000 Speaker 3: licensed to carry, you know, just apply here, and then 915 01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,640 Speaker 3: they always imply there's some limited window, limited time only 916 01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:28,320 Speaker 3: you can still get a license, or even specific to Indiana, 917 01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,080 Speaker 3: get your Indiana license and you go there, you take 918 01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,760 Speaker 3: some quiz which basically is just the questions that are 919 01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:38,960 Speaker 3: on the Indiana State Police website for whether you're eligible 920 01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,600 Speaker 3: to get a license or not, and then they say, congratulations, 921 01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,880 Speaker 3: you know, just go here now and apply. Then they 922 01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:48,320 Speaker 3: charge you a fee. They make it look like if 923 01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:55,080 Speaker 3: you pay these fraudsters some money, that boom, they send 924 01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,760 Speaker 3: you a license. They can't send you an Indiana license 925 01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,080 Speaker 3: to carry hand and only the state police can do that, 926 01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,720 Speaker 3: and they only do that once you apply for a 927 01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:09,160 Speaker 3: license on the State Police website. And so the whole 928 01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:13,400 Speaker 3: idea that these these scam organizations are out there or 929 01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,080 Speaker 3: some of them, that they are offering classes come take 930 01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:21,160 Speaker 3: your your concealed carry license class and and and get 931 01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,600 Speaker 3: your Indiana license. Well, first of all, no class is 932 01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:27,240 Speaker 3: required for an Indiana licensed to carry handgun. They're charging 933 01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,600 Speaker 3: you a fee for this, and you still have to 934 01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,680 Speaker 3: go through the same licensing process that you had to 935 01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,760 Speaker 3: go through anyway to get your your your Indiana licensed 936 01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,920 Speaker 3: to carry handgun. So it's a complete out or scam. 937 01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,439 Speaker 3: I always comment on them, and and for that reason, 938 01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,320 Speaker 3: I'm glad Howard even raised this VA issue, which is 939 01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:49,600 Speaker 3: complete news to me if it exists, which I doubt, 940 01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:51,480 Speaker 3: but I don't know for certain. That's why I'm going 941 01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,480 Speaker 3: to look into it. But Howard, thanks for calling. Let's 942 01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,919 Speaker 3: go back to the phone lines here real quick, and 943 01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,640 Speaker 3: let's see Mike has called. Well, hold on, you want 944 01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:04,760 Speaker 3: to talk about atomic bombs and garages? Oh? 945 01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, why can't I have a build an atomic bomb 946 01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:07,880 Speaker 4: in my garage? 947 01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,920 Speaker 3: I mean Second Amendment says I can have anything, right, Yeah, Well, 948 01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,320 Speaker 3: the founders would probably say you could. If the government 949 01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,600 Speaker 3: has then you absolutely can. Should there be any exceptions 950 01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,360 Speaker 3: for that. We can talk about that. But in terms 951 01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:24,080 Speaker 3: of basic firearms, Mike, like the kind of rifle, pistol, 952 01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,840 Speaker 3: or shotgun I can own that should be somehow different 953 01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:30,120 Speaker 3: from the military. That's completely ludicrous. And you know that 954 01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,320 Speaker 3: you want to call me with an absurd example like 955 01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:36,240 Speaker 3: atomic bombs, Well, okay, you're not really making a point, 956 01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,560 Speaker 3: You're just making yourself look a little silly. The idea 957 01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:42,960 Speaker 3: that if it's a quote unquote weapons of war as 958 01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:48,360 Speaker 3: a as a portable gun, then then that should be 959 01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,960 Speaker 3: somehow be restricted from private ownership is completely ludicrous. And 960 01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,080 Speaker 3: by the way, the Supreme Court has already dealt with 961 01:02:54,480 --> 01:03:00,520 Speaker 3: your silly example of atomic bombs in garages, which is 962 01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:04,440 Speaker 3: that if it's commonly used for self defense in America, 963 01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:08,400 Speaker 3: it's covered by the Second Amendment. Now, the founders didn't 964 01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,760 Speaker 3: put any restriction like that in the Second Amendment, but 965 01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:15,400 Speaker 3: the Supreme Court has said commonly used for lawful purposes. 966 01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:20,520 Speaker 3: I don't think atomic bombs are commonly used for lawful purposes, 967 01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:22,960 Speaker 3: so the Supreme Court would say that's not covered. Or 968 01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:28,200 Speaker 3: short buriled shotgun, shop burrowed rifles and suppressors commonly used 969 01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:31,320 Speaker 3: for lawful purposes. Hell yeah, Hell I pretty much qualify 970 01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,200 Speaker 3: for that in and of myself. Look at my gun, 971 01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:36,840 Speaker 3: say for a number of sprs and suppressors commonly used 972 01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:40,960 Speaker 3: for lawful purposes one hundred percent. So silly example, and 973 01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:46,840 Speaker 3: that's a great, a great example of someone who's just 974 01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,760 Speaker 3: trying to make a silly point at the expense of logic. 975 01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:53,080 Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. Let's leave it there and take 976 01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,360 Speaker 3: a break. We'll come back. We'll go to my last topic, 977 01:03:56,120 --> 01:04:00,520 Speaker 3: which is a really interesting tragic because it ended up 978 01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:04,400 Speaker 3: with the death of a private citizen in Lafayette. I 979 01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,520 Speaker 3: want to talk a little bit about a police action 980 01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,440 Speaker 3: shooting that angela good note from Fox fifty nine. I'll 981 01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:14,440 Speaker 3: tell you what. If there's a local TV journalist that 982 01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,520 Speaker 3: I respect, it's angela good note from Fox fifty nine. 983 01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,320 Speaker 3: She just does a great job. She has all the 984 01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,960 Speaker 3: credibility in in the world. She works hard, and I 985 01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:26,280 Speaker 3: think does a really nice job, and I'm a big 986 01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,640 Speaker 3: fan of hers. But she posted about this police action 987 01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,920 Speaker 3: shooting and it just raised an interesting legal issue that 988 01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,920 Speaker 3: I wanted to address here briefly on the show. We'll 989 01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:36,800 Speaker 3: do that when we come back. This is guy Ralford 990 01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:39,120 Speaker 3: on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WIBC. 991 01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:47,600 Speaker 1: He's a Second Amendment attorney, He's an NRA certified firearms instructor. 992 01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:52,880 Speaker 1: He's the Gun Guy Guy Ralford on ninety three WYPC. 993 01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:59,560 Speaker 3: And welcome back for the last segment here this week's 994 01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:06,960 Speaker 3: The Gun Guys Show. Interesting, tragic, but legally interesting. A 995 01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:11,320 Speaker 3: police action shooting last night or I guess the night 996 01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:15,160 Speaker 3: before last in Lafayette and listen, all we have is 997 01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:20,360 Speaker 3: what's being reported by the Lafayette Police Department. But again, 998 01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,240 Speaker 3: this was posted by Angela Goode, who, as I mentioned, 999 01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:28,240 Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of But Lafayette Police Department officers 1000 01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:34,520 Speaker 3: a little after midnight pulled over a vehicle on suspicion 1001 01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:41,480 Speaker 3: of impaired driving, and after the driver was pulled over, 1002 01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:46,480 Speaker 3: the mail driver apparently made statements indicating a risk of 1003 01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:50,160 Speaker 3: harm to himself quote unquote, as reported by the officers, 1004 01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:55,400 Speaker 3: and then fled the scene, and LPD policy apparently didn't 1005 01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,280 Speaker 3: allow them to initiate a vehicle pursuit at that point. 1006 01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,200 Speaker 3: They pretty much let him go without engaging in any 1007 01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,120 Speaker 3: kind of a quote unquote high speed chase, but it 1008 01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:08,840 Speaker 3: continued looking for him and Eventually they found him in 1009 01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:15,320 Speaker 3: an apartment complex part They again approached the vehicle and 1010 01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:18,160 Speaker 3: at this point he refused to get out of the 1011 01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:23,160 Speaker 3: of the vehicle and made comments that he was armed 1012 01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:28,200 Speaker 3: with a weapon. And at that point, upon saying that 1013 01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:32,040 Speaker 3: he had a gun, quote, moved his hand to his 1014 01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:35,640 Speaker 3: waistband behind his back as if he was preparing to 1015 01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:40,720 Speaker 3: brandish a weapon. So he said, I have a gun 1016 01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,640 Speaker 3: and then moved his hand to his waistband behind his 1017 01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:45,720 Speaker 3: back while sitting in the vehicle. Now, this is all 1018 01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:51,520 Speaker 3: according to police, and as my friend Kirk, who practices 1019 01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:53,800 Speaker 3: law him off yet and has a lot of interactions 1020 01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:56,720 Speaker 3: with LPD, has said that he really wants to see 1021 01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:00,840 Speaker 3: the body worn camera coming out of this. Let's just 1022 01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:04,160 Speaker 3: for the sake of discussion, say that's all true. So 1023 01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,520 Speaker 3: he said he had a weapon, then reached behind his back, 1024 01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:10,760 Speaker 3: at which point officers opened fire. In fact, I saw 1025 01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:15,520 Speaker 3: a video that friend of mine sent to me that 1026 01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:20,960 Speaker 3: didn't show much visually, but you could hear several gunshots. 1027 01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,000 Speaker 3: I mean, they apparently shot this guy several times, which 1028 01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:26,920 Speaker 3: is not unusual for police action shootings. Police are trained 1029 01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:33,760 Speaker 3: to stop a threat and a discussion then on social media, 1030 01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:37,800 Speaker 3: especially after I reposted this broke out on social media 1031 01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:40,400 Speaker 3: where people were talking about, well, it'll be really interesting 1032 01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,120 Speaker 3: to see whether he actually had a gun or not, 1033 01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:48,520 Speaker 3: and people were saying, or at least suggesting that whether 1034 01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,080 Speaker 3: he had a gun or not would determine whether or 1035 01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:55,720 Speaker 3: not this was a justified use of force and self defense. Now, listen, 1036 01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,640 Speaker 3: when it comes to police action shootings, there's a whole 1037 01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:03,320 Speaker 3: added element that doesn't apply to us as civilians. There 1038 01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:11,040 Speaker 3: are civil rights issues, in fact, civil rights criminal violations 1039 01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:14,360 Speaker 3: that can apply to police officers, which is someone acting 1040 01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,240 Speaker 3: under color of state law who deprived someone of their 1041 01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:20,960 Speaker 3: constitutional rights. And you can deprive someone of their constitutional 1042 01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:25,800 Speaker 3: rights by shooting them or otherwise using excessive force on them. 1043 01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:35,559 Speaker 3: But secondly, they're simply prosecution under state law for killing someone, 1044 01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:39,879 Speaker 3: which could be a murderer, could be a voluntary manslaughter, 1045 01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:43,600 Speaker 3: could be any number of different charges unless it's justified. 1046 01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:48,160 Speaker 3: So let's just stay with state law and justification based 1047 01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:52,280 Speaker 3: on self defense. And a lot of people on my 1048 01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:56,160 Speaker 3: social media post, I think this one was on x 1049 01:08:56,479 --> 01:09:00,080 Speaker 3: we're discussing whether or not and it's actually may be 1050 01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,320 Speaker 3: an Andrew Gannot's post. Now that I think about it. 1051 01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:04,920 Speaker 3: We're discussing whether or not this was justified. It was 1052 01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:07,360 Speaker 3: going to be determined to a significant degree by whether 1053 01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,800 Speaker 3: the guy really had a gun or not. He said 1054 01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:14,520 Speaker 3: he had a gun, and he reached to his waistband 1055 01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:17,639 Speaker 3: behind his back, at which point the officer's open fire, 1056 01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:23,000 Speaker 3: and I immediately made the point whether he actually had 1057 01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:26,880 Speaker 3: a gun or not is not even relevant to the inquiry. 1058 01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:31,160 Speaker 3: And people found that really surprising, and some people found 1059 01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,320 Speaker 3: that repugnant. Well, what do you mean if he didn't 1060 01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:36,640 Speaker 3: really have a gun, he was never a risk, he 1061 01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,960 Speaker 3: was never a danger to the officer. If he was 1062 01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,040 Speaker 3: never an actual danger to the officer, then the use 1063 01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:46,000 Speaker 3: of force was not justified in self defense. And it 1064 01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:50,800 Speaker 3: just made me realize that this is another example of 1065 01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,679 Speaker 3: where people really don't understand the law of self defense 1066 01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:58,759 Speaker 3: as it operates in Indiana, because, again, talking only about 1067 01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:03,120 Speaker 3: self defense and legal justification of the law of self 1068 01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:07,400 Speaker 3: defense in Indiana, whether you're talking about the general self 1069 01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:10,720 Speaker 3: Defense Statute that applies to you no matter where you 1070 01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,720 Speaker 3: might be, including out in public and would apply to 1071 01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:17,280 Speaker 3: this officer being out in public, or whether you're talking 1072 01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:20,519 Speaker 3: about the Castle doctrine that applies to you when you're 1073 01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:24,400 Speaker 3: in your home you're dwelling, as well as your curtilage 1074 01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:29,479 Speaker 3: or occupied motor vehicle, whichever scenario you're talking about, whether 1075 01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:31,840 Speaker 3: you're justified or not depends on whether you had a 1076 01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:38,080 Speaker 3: reasonable belief the deadly force was necessary under the circumstances 1077 01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:42,000 Speaker 3: that are justified in each of those different scenarios out 1078 01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:46,639 Speaker 3: in public. You have to reasonably believe the deadly force 1079 01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,880 Speaker 3: is necessary to prevent serious bodily injury to you or 1080 01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:56,160 Speaker 3: a third person reasonably believed. You don't have to be right. 1081 01:10:56,680 --> 01:11:01,240 Speaker 3: The statute doesn't put on anyone the obligation of being omniscient, 1082 01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:08,120 Speaker 3: and the law and through case law and the boarding 1083 01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:14,400 Speaker 3: of the statute itself specifically prohibits evaluating someone's reasonable belief 1084 01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,320 Speaker 3: and the use of force based on that reasonable belief. 1085 01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:26,080 Speaker 3: It particularly precludes the opportunity to use hindsight to attack 1086 01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:29,679 Speaker 3: someone's decision. Well, hold on, he said he had a gun, 1087 01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:34,280 Speaker 3: and he reached behind himself into his waistband to grab 1088 01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:37,360 Speaker 3: a gun. You then defended yourself, but he didn't actually 1089 01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:39,800 Speaker 3: have a gun. Based on hindsight, there was never a 1090 01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:44,280 Speaker 3: risk to begin with. Therefore, you were not justified. No, No, 1091 01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:48,519 Speaker 3: and No, the law says you simply have to have 1092 01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:51,600 Speaker 3: a reasonable belief. There are cases that say, specifically, I 1093 01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:54,599 Speaker 3: talk about this in my Essentials of Indiana Gunwall class. 1094 01:11:55,760 --> 01:12:01,000 Speaker 3: You can be wrong. The person that's a who points 1095 01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:06,320 Speaker 3: the airsoft gun at an officer doesn't have an orange tip, 1096 01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:08,880 Speaker 3: it looks exactly like a real gun, turns out to 1097 01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:13,320 Speaker 3: be an airsoft gun after the fact. Does that mean 1098 01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:16,320 Speaker 3: the officer was not justified using force. No, It's based 1099 01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:20,160 Speaker 3: on a reasonable belief. That's how the law works, That's 1100 01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:22,600 Speaker 3: how it should work, and people need to understand that. 1101 01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:23,920 Speaker 3: Tell you what We're coming up on the top of 1102 01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:25,840 Speaker 3: the hour. That's it for this week's edition to The 1103 01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:28,040 Speaker 3: Gun Guy Show. Hope you enjoyed it. Hope you come back. 1104 01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,559 Speaker 3: Remember always be safe and always shoot straight. This is 1105 01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:33,600 Speaker 3: Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WYBC.