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Speaker 1: So you told me something during the break and I

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Speaker 1: got that, I know, just so interested to learn more.

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Speaker 2: Well, we talked a lot about our health insurance during

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Speaker 2: the break. There had to have been something else.

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Speaker 1: Well you said that, and we'll get into that a

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Speaker 1: little bit later too, because wow, is that industry just

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Speaker 1: a mess and it's just hurting so many people. You said,

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Speaker 1: cassette tapes are making a comeback.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they are. US sales have grown two hundred and

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Speaker 2: four percent just in the first quarter of this year.

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Speaker 1: Now you're talking about the when I was a kid

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Speaker 1: in your car. You know, some cars in the eighties

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Speaker 1: and early nineties had CD players, but most automobiles had

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Speaker 1: the cassette tape. You'd buy your favorite album and you

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Speaker 1: would put it in and it would play, and you

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Speaker 1: could actually rewind it and it would you know, that

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Speaker 1: sort of cassette tape.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why that sort of one. It's a mixture of things.

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Speaker 2: Some of it is because it's intentional. It's like a

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Speaker 2: hands on experience. Like you mentioned, you have to actually

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Speaker 2: rewind or fast forward. Some of it has to do

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Speaker 2: with retro appeal and nostalgia. It's got a little bit

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Speaker 2: of charm to it.

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Speaker 1: The look people want to look cool, okay.

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Speaker 2: And there's also it's tangible. You can touch it and

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Speaker 2: feel it and hold it, so I'm like streaming.

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Speaker 1: I remember specifically in this must have been the late nineties,

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Speaker 1: early two thousand the acts I drove myself, so it

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Speaker 1: had to probably be early two thousands going to the

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Speaker 1: old Karma Records on thirty eighth Street and they still

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Speaker 1: had cassette tapes. But I bet you haven't seen people

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Speaker 1: actively selling cassette tapes and then you know in a

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Speaker 1: junk bins as new. I can remember buying Boston's debut

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Speaker 1: album on cassette at Karma Records on thirty eighth Street

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Speaker 1: in the early two thousands, but it has to have

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Speaker 1: been twenty twenty years or more since anybody has active

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Speaker 1: carried cassette tapes in their stores.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So now you've got artists like Taylor Swift and

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Speaker 2: Billie Eilish and Lady Gaga and the weekend they're all

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Speaker 2: releasing their music on cassette editions. keV to go with

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Speaker 2: their albums that they're putting out too.

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Speaker 1: You're the really eclectic member of this group. You're also

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Speaker 1: the musician. You actively seek out things on vinyl. Correct, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I like the records.

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Speaker 2: Why he wants to drop the needle.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think when you buy something like that,

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Speaker 3: you're committed to listening to the full album and getting

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Speaker 3: the full experience. That's why I like it.

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Speaker 1: That's a great point because we've talked about this. One

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Speaker 1: of the problems I have with the streaming is I'm

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Speaker 1: always feeling like there's something better, Like I can't just

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Speaker 1: missing out on some other documentary that's better, I'm wasting

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Speaker 1: my time doing this. And then you just end up flipping,

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Speaker 1: spending thirty minutes flipping through everything, and then realizing now

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Speaker 1: I'm just pissed off because I spent all this time

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Speaker 1: looking for something better instead of watching something saying, if

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Speaker 1: you have to commit to it, this is my thing.

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Speaker 1: I don't have something to press a button and go

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Speaker 1: to the next thing. I'm in on this album.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you get a good quality experience from that.

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Speaker 2: It was interesting. When I was visiting my daughter over Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 2: her roommate had gotten home and brought with her a

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Speaker 2: DVD of a movie they wanted to watch.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 2: She was very excited. She found the DVD. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: my daughter had mentioned to me we used to have

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Speaker 2: thousands of CDs and she was really bummed that we

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Speaker 2: because everything's available streaming now. Sure, and she is now

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Speaker 2: growing a CD collection. We didn't even talk about cassettes.

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Speaker 2: I mean that like even predates her life.

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Speaker 1: Remember they had the little binders that you could put

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Speaker 1: your CDs in. Did you slide them in the little

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Speaker 1: way so that way you could see them and easily

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Speaker 1: flip flip through, flip through them.

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Speaker 2: And you carry that big binder around with you everywhere.

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Speaker 2: You had it in your car now the passenger seat. Now.

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Speaker 1: The A set tape is interesting though, because keV backed

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Speaker 1: me up on this. A lot of people like the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what they say. That there's things that you

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Speaker 3: can pick up on in the mix. Yeah, clear, I

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Speaker 3: guess when you listen to it on vinyl.

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Speaker 1: But having played many a cassette tape, the sound is crap.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it is. There's a nice hissy.

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Speaker 3: I don't think the packaging is as cool too, because

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Speaker 3: that's the other thing with the vinyl is the packaging

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Speaker 3: and the liner notes, Yeah and all that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, because with a with a record, it's

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Speaker 1: laid out the album art like cassette, it's so it's condensed, right,

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Speaker 1: it's a little bitty You're not you're not getting any

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Speaker 2: How how often do you you used to record your

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Speaker 2: favorite radio station that is a cassette.

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Speaker 1: That is a great question. That is absolutely something that

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Speaker 1: I used to do because if you had little Rob

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Speaker 1: Kendall that So, there was a radio station in Brownsburg,

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Speaker 1: songs you wanted that you didn't have to go out

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Speaker 1: and actually buy the album. You absolutely could, right, right.

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Speaker 2: So a lot of people, yeah, it's it's a retro thing, right, nostalgia.

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Speaker 1: It also speaks to the power that we have put

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Speaker 1: on these influencers or whatever, especially in a social media

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Speaker 1: in order to do something. Now, someone like a Taylor

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Speaker 1: Swift can just issue some sort of statement and nine

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Speaker 1: just go do whatever she says. And so you're right.

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Speaker 1: She can say, hey, cassettes are cool, and for no

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's zero reason a cassette should come back, because,

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Speaker 1: like keV said, hey, there is validity to the album,

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Speaker 1: the idea of the nostalgia feel, the idea of the artwork,

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Speaker 1: the sound is is better if you're really into it.

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Speaker 1: None of that is true with the cassette tape. Nope,

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Speaker 1: none of it's true with the.

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Speaker 2: K Taylor Swift. You know she's got her new music out,

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Speaker 2: The Life of a Showgirl.

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Speaker 1: I did not know that, well, you said, you know,

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Speaker 1: as though I followed Taylor Swift. Is this one also

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Speaker 1: about how much men have ruined her existence? I don't

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Speaker 1: know what it's about it This is also about how

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Speaker 1: nothing is her fault.

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Speaker 2: But she released eighteen different physical versions, including cassette. Oh

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Speaker 2: eighteen Different Ways Someone Likes Money. It is Kendall and Casey.

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Speaker 2: It's ninety three WIDC.

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Speaker 3: She should