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Speaker 1: So, Eddie, I have a question for you on this Thursday.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well. Thank you for asking.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: That answers my question. Thank you for your doing I'm well.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Have you ever.

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Speaker 1: Had occasion? And I'm asking this rhetorically, I guess for

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Speaker 1: the entire audience. Sometimes it's difficult to have to portray

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Speaker 1: but it's not organically who we are. And we've all

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Speaker 1: had occasion in a workplace to do exactly that. And

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Speaker 1: I thought about it last night, and I thought about

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Speaker 1: and I became aware of those after I got back

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Speaker 1: But I got back just in time to see the

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Speaker 1: And I guess I can say this now because.

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Speaker 1: it applies to I think what's going on right now

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Speaker 1: now and the future of the Indiana Pacers. When I

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Speaker 1: It goes without saying who still works here within the building.

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Speaker 1: And one day when I was doing my sports report,

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Speaker 1: And I think all of us, in some way, shape

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Speaker 1: The Pacers have this perfect opportunity to land themselves a

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Speaker 1: and yes, sirs, and just this sweeping sentiment, this bond

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Speaker 1: So all we ask of you, Indiana Pacers is that

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Speaker 1: Last night, what you found out and then Eddie, this

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Speaker 1: but honestly, the Pacers a year ago, throughout their run

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Speaker 3: Want it here?

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Speaker 1: But Eddie, last night was a game in Brooklyn against

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Speaker 1: all of those guys are incredible players with incredible legacies.

438
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Speaker 1: But we're still talking to this day, nearly forty some years,

439
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: forty four years after Scott Skiles played at Plymouth, as

440
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: to what kind of player he was, And he was

441
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: a nice NBA player, a nice NBA player, never an

442
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: All Star, never a starting in the finals kind of guy.

443
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: So every time I go to an NBA game, I

444
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: look out over the floor and I see guys on

445
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: the floor, and I think to myself, ninety eight percent

446
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,959
Speaker 1: of the players that I'm seeing right now, wherever they

447
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: came from, they are the greatest player in the history

448
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: of their high school, They are the greatest player in

449
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: the history of their town, or one of the legendary moments.

450
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: And a guy like Ethan Thompson. There are two guys

451
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: right now sitting in a BW three in you know,

452
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: southern California or wherever it was that Ethan Thompson grew

453
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: up that are talking about the time that he dropped

454
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 1: forty one on him when he was a sophomore, and

455
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 1: guys like that. My point being, if you are in

456
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: the NBA, it's because it was embedded and embreded in

457
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: you from a very young age to compete and put

458
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: it all on the line with every single game that

459
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: you played. And you're not at that point unless that

460
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: was wired into you from day one. And so therefore,

461
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 1: every one of those guys that you're watching had moments

462
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: throughout their entire upbringing, just like Greg Graham and just

463
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: like Alan Henderson, and just like Scott Skiles, and just

464
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 1: like Mike Conley, and just like Greg Odin, just like

465
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: Rodney Carney, and guys that we still talk talk about

466
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,719
Speaker 1: to this day and they're still talked about in their

467
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: hometowns because they have competed from the time they stepped

468
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 1: on a floor, and so therefore, no.

469
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 3: Matter how.

470
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: Little they might play in the NBA, it is really

471
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: hard to ask them to not do the same with

472
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: every game they go out, because that's not authentically who

473
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 1: they are, and that's going to be the fascinating dichotomy

474
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: to watch unfold before us over the course of the

475
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: next couple of months. But speaking of competing, Butler did

476
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: that last night against one of the best teams and

477
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: currently the best programs in college basketball. And that program

478
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: is coached by a guy that was acting, as he

479
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: typically does, somewhat maniacal during the course of the game.

480
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: And then afterwards, I thought to myself, wonder what this

481
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: guy's going to say, and what he said I thought

482
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: was incredibly telling about not only Butler basketball, but Division

483
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: one basketball itself, and will replay and dissect what was said.

484
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: Now here's an unpopular opinion that I've been criticized for

485
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: my entire life, at least since this song came out.

486
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: I know that this song is apparently listed by numerous

487
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: surveys or whatever they do as the number one song

488
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: of the eighties. And I have nothing against bon Jovi,

489
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: but I've always actually thought, and I'm the only person

490
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: alive that thinks this, I've always thought that you give

491
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: Love a Bad Name is the signature song of bon

492
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: Jovi and not living on a prayer. And people are

493
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: like that's the dumbest thing ever, because it's the number

494
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: one song of the eighties. I've never been a huge

495
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: fan of Living on a Prayer, But you Give Love

496
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: a Bad Name from my recollection was their breakthrough song

497
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: that put them on the map, and I think the

498
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Speaker 1: one that most identifies with their typical sound.

499
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: But I'm alone on this island. I realize I'm.

500
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: Watching last night and again a good time in Moncie

501
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: at Worthn Arena. That's a fabulous arena to watch a

502
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: basketball game. I'm very curious to see what happens with

503
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: ball State basketball. I like Michael Lewis a great deal.

504
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: Don't know him overly well, but we've obviously had him

505
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: on the radio several times, know a ton of people

506
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: that know him well, and I think he's an.

507
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 3: Extremely likable dude.

508
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: But I do wonder and worry about what happens from

509
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: the basketball standpoint for ball State and their future, just

510
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: in terms of whether or not they make a coaching change,

511
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: because notably and most importantly, you know, going there last night,

512
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it and I'm looking around and they're

513
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: just there was no juice in the building. It's a

514
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: great arena and it's not that they don't play well.

515
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't sit there and watch him thinking, man,

516
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: this team is not well coached. But that's a decent

517
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: league in the MAC and ball State has really struggled

518
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: and it's kind of ticked downwards the last couple of years.

519
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: But I also as I'm watching that game and then

520
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: driving back home and I I then turn on the

521
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: Butler Connecticut game, and you know, Mullins is really good

522
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: for Connecticut and they are a machine and Butler's hanging

523
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: around and they're hanging in there. But you know, just

524
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: depth and all of the things that go into why

525
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: a Connecticut beats, you you know, are visible and noticeable there.

526
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: And as I was watching that game, I really did

527
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: think about as I'm watching Mullen's play, and it entered

528
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,239
Speaker 1: my mind. It's funny because it entered my mind as

529
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: I was watching it. Here's a kid from Greenfield Central,

530
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: and I gotta give him a ton of credit, you know,

531
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: when it came down to it, and it really was

532
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: between Indiana and Connecticut, and he opts for Connecticut, and

533
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: there was a lot of blowback for that, and I

534
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: thought to myself, I wonder Butler was ever in play

535
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: for him.

536
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 3: I know it's.

537
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: I realized Hainklefield House, its significance historically is high school attached,

538
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: but it's still a pretty cool place. Campus is cool.

539
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: It's a neat part of town. But sometimes it's best

540
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: for guys to go away, you know. I was the

541
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: other day on a rainy day, I was flipping through

542
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: the channels and there was a documentary on about North

543
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: Carolina's nineteen ninety three college basketball season, and it's got

544
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:33,719
Speaker 1: all the guys sitting around, Donald Williams and you know,

545
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: Hubert Davis and all these guys are sitting around telling

546
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: old stories about being on that ninetye George Lynch and

547
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: of course the late Eric Montrose, who they were speaking

548
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: of in the posthumous sense. And they ran old clips

549
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: of Montrosse and it got me thinking about when Eric

550
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: Montrosse was in high school. And there were a ton

551
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: of factors that went into why he did not go

552
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: to Indiana, a big part of it being his father's

553
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: relationship with Bob. Going back to, as I understand it,

554
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: the times of the Land and Turner versus Ford lawsuit

555
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: that took place in nineteen eighty one and Scott Montrosse's

556
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: involvement in that. You know, those things have always been

557
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: out there, but Eric Montrosse in his decision to go

558
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: to North Carolina was so at the time vilified. And

559
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: I'm watching this documentary and I'm seeing like this love

560
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: and this fraternal feeling and this bond and this connection

561
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: amongst a team that won a national championship in North

562
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: Carolina and thinking about how Eric Montrose stayed in Carolina

563
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: forever as you know, to after his playing career and

564
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: did Carolina radio and everything else. And I'm thinking to myself,

565
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: you know, he made the right decision. He made a

566
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: decision for himself that positively impacted him for the rest

567
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: of his life. And that is a huge part of

568
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: making a decision in college basketball. And Brayla Mullins did

569
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: that for Connecticut and to assume it will positively influence

570
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: him moving forward. Now, is Connecticut gonna win a national title?

571
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:06,479
Speaker 3: You know?

572
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: Is he going to be there four years? No, He's

573
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: probably gonna be there another four months. But nonetheless and

574
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: watching it all, I was thinking to myself, a huge

575
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: factor in Mullin's decision to go to Connecticut are three

576
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: letters in IL and that's where we are in Il

577
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: and as I'm watching Butler, and I have long felt

578
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: that Butler, I thought should have stayed in the Atlantic Ten.

579
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: I totally understand why they went to the Big East

580
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: because the almighty dollar drives it all. And Butler in

581
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: terms of the Big Ten contracts and television or Big

582
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: East contracts and television contracts, the money that Butler was

583
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: going to make by going to the Big East, they

584
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: had to do it. I totally get it. But they

585
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: are swimming in a pool of a bunch of loan

586
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: sharks and the nil when you look at the money

587
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: that is going into and keep in mind some of

588
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: the schools in like what does Connecticut have that Butler doesn't.

589
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: It has football at a high level. I'm not saying

590
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: a highly competitive level, but a high level nonetheless that

591
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: brings in additional revenue. And Connecticut the women's program is

592
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: obviously huge, but the University of Connecticut, that's the pro

593
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: brand if you will, within that state. And as I'm

594
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: watching it and thinking about all of that and wondering

595
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: if in fact there is like this level playing field

596
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 1: or totally unleveled playing field, the game ends and Danny Hurley,

597
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: who acts one hundred miles a minute during the course

598
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 1: of the game. Then very calmly and very succinctly says

599
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: something on TNT after the broadcast, after the game ended

600
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: in on the television broadcast within the window that jumped

601
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: out at me.

602
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 3: Here you go.

603
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: I love that.

604
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 5: I got so much respect for that. He's one of

605
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 5: the best college coaches. You know that in my generation.

606
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 5: You know the work he did here the first time,

607
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 5: what he did in Ohio State when it was college basketball.

608
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 5: You know, he was one of the best at it, recruiting, developing.

609
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 5: I got so much respect for that guy. This new era, obviously,

610
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 5: you know, I'm not sure he's got the resources to

611
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 5: be where a coach of his caliber.

612
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: Should be when it was college basketball. This new era

613
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: resources a lot to unpack there, which we'll do next.

614
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: So now you're going to play every song, but you

615
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: give love a bad name.

616
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 2: No, this is the song that got him on the map.

617
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, on the map. Yeah, that's probably right. What did

618
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 3: this chart? What was the where did this peak on

619
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 3: the Billboard chart?

620
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 2: I would have to look at where Runaway peaked.

621
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess that that peaked at number eleven. But

622
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: I'll look it up for you. I thought about Danny

623
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 1: Hurley's and I thought it was really telling, very telling.

624
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 3: Peaked at number twelve? What was the date when it peaked?

625
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 3: Hold on?

626
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: Actually that was a different runaway song?

627
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 3: Would did you go with Slade run Runaway? Is that

628
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 3: what you went with?

629
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 6: No?

630
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 2: Apparently Kanye West had a song called Runaway.

631
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 3: Okay, but Danny Hurley.

632
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: For Danny Hurley to say that was college basketball or

633
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: back when it was still college basketball, this is the

634
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: guy that won and is probably right now the best

635
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: coach in the and a coach that turned down the

636
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Lakers. But he just said the quiet part

637
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: out loud. He did, even though now it's kind of

638
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: out loud, but he yelled the quiet part out loud.

639
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 1: And what I think is really interesting. And he later

640
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: went on to talk about like when he says, right there,

641
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: Fad doesn't have the resources. Now the resources, sure, you

642
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: can say that means he doesn't have a state of

643
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: the art practice facility. He doesn't have you know, all

644
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: of you know, the the bells and whistles. But what

645
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: he mostly means by that is he doesn't have the

646
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:55,919
Speaker 1: nil resources to pay for the top players like other

647
00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 1: teams do. And that's the era that college basketball now.

648
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: We know factually that college basketball now is an arms race,

649
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: and Danny Hurley just admitted that Butler doesn't have the

650
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: arms in the arms race.

651
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: I love that.

652
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 5: I got so much respect for that. He's one of

653
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 5: the best college coaches. You know that in my generation.

654
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 5: You know the work he did here the first time,

655
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 5: what he did in Ohio State when it was college basketball.

656
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 5: You know, he was one of the best at it, recruiting, developing.

657
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 5: I got so much respect for that guy. This new era, obviously,

658
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 5: you know, I'm not sure he's got the resources to

659
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 5: be where a coach of his caliber should.

660
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 3: Have been there.

661
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: You go, not sure he's got the resources right by

662
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: the way, thirty nine runaway.

663
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 3: The resources meaning the money.

664
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: Now now that we know that and it's out there

665
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: and we know that this is what it is and

666
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: there's no turning back, you know, the days of yeah,

667
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: this is going to get a player, you know, money

668
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 1: to advertise the local pizzaia and take his girlfriend of

669
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: the movies on the weekends. That that was the original

670
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 1: selling point about Come on, I mean, well, we're not

671
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: stupid here, right. The reality is this and I l

672
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: to an extent, has always kind of existed.

673
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 3: And I know, I know that.

674
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: We in Indiana like to stand atop the mountaintops. And

675
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: we don't have mountaintops, but we have snow mountains now

676
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: in the side of parking lots where it's all been shoveled.

677
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: We like to stand on top of those and scream

678
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: out about like the scrupulous Bob Knight and the era

679
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: when everything was every kid went to class and there

680
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: were no handouts.

681
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 2: By the way, rain on Sunday now not snow.

682
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: Okay, See that could help you out in our game

683
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: here on shrinking the mountains. If you look at Indiana,

684
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 1: the Indiana Media Guide used to have a fun thing

685
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: in the back that said like basically a where are

686
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: they now? And as a kid, I would always flip

687
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: through it and I was always fascinated by it, and

688
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, it was amazing the number of Indiana

689
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: basketball players of yesteryear that were working for and I

690
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: didn't know what it was when I was a kid.

691
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: Works for the Cook Corporation or Yellow Freight out of Chicago.

692
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: What that means is, you know, obviously Bill Cook and

693
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: corporations that Bob Knight had you know, access or connection

694
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: to and so you knew and it wasn't below board

695
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: per se. But if you played in Indiana when you graduated,

696
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: you were going to get a job for a corporate

697
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: If you didn't continue to play professionally, that set you

698
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: up for the rest of your life. You know, Scott

699
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: may still lives in Bloomington because he has built a

700
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: very successful business off owning apartments that was facilitated by

701
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: the Cook Corporation.

702
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 3: Once he was done playing.

703
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 1: So it was there was an element of like nil stuff,

704
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: but it all happened, of course after the fact, but

705
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: you knew it. There was that safety net, and that

706
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: wasn't unique to Indiana. I mean it was all over

707
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: the place. Now it is more right there before your eyes.

708
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: And the question becomes, if you are a program that

709
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: still is living in the world when it was college basketball,

710
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: to use Danny Hurley's comment there, back when it was

711
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 1: college basketball, what's the program that is still running things

712
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: as if it's college basketball. I would say Purdue. Look

713
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 1: at Purdue's roster. They are still getting regionally based kids.

714
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 1: And I say kids young men that are from within

715
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: the state and fit the mold of what it is

716
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 1: that they want to do produce, not tailoring its style

717
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: of play around the caliber of the recruits it just landed.

718
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 1: It's rather tailoring its recruiting around the style of play

719
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: it chooses. And as as the waters get choppier and

720
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: choppier and everybody's jumping onto a wave runner, there's still

721
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: room for one or two really strong based canoes that

722
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: can manage to get through the waves the old fashioned way,

723
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: but there are only a few of them, and it

724
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: really becomes a matter of who is going to be

725
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 1: able to weather the storm and ride through the rough

726
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: waves until everything kind of settles itself out and then

727
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: you emerge as Okay, if you are a top flight

728
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: player that wants to go to a program where you're

729
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: going to stay for three or four years, where you're

730
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: going to be able to compete, where you're going to

731
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: learn the game, et cetera, and yes, you're gonna get

732
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: some nil money, but that's not the priority. And I'm

733
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: not saying there's not priority of nil at Purdue. Brayden

734
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: Smith's making plenty of money, plenty of it, don't get

735
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: me wrong, But I don't know that initially when he

736
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 1: got to Purdue that was the idea. It was, I'm

737
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: going to go there because this is a place that

738
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: gives me a chance to compete, and that Painter has

739
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: been able to brilliantly navigate through without falling overtly to

740
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: the loud part that's being screamed here by Danny Hurley.

741
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: And there are going to be a handful of programs

742
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: that can probably sustain that, but more and more of

743
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: them are going to basically fall the way of Look,

744
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: we just got to basically get as much money as

745
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: we can, figure out where we can get it, and

746
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: go with it. Because you're seeing in this state two programs,

747
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,720
Speaker 1: one in Purdue and one in Butler that have tried

748
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: to kind of stay to the way that college basketball

749
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: used to be, one of which has been able to

750
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: weather that storm, and the other of which is falling

751
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: behind because of it. And I wonder how long Matt

752
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: Painters the scruples and the method in which he is

753
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: able to put together his program and doing it his way.

754
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: I hope that he is one of those that's going

755
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: to be able to last and withstand it.

756
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 3: And they're going to be four or five that do.

757
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: I don't know which ones they're going to be, but

758
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: it does feel like Butler is already enough behind the

759
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: eight ball that they're going to have to play catch up.

760
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: And the way to play catch up now is to

761
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,720
Speaker 1: get involved in the way it is now as opposed

762
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: to standing firm and the way it used to be,

763
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: because there's the ground underneath them is more shaky and

764
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: that ground of the way it used to be at

765
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: Purdue is more solid. But more into what Danny Hurley

766
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: said later after those comments that he said in the

767
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: press conference about THADMDA and Butler, we'll get into that

768
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: a little bit when we come back, and he Ada

769
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: has got a new quarterback coming in next year. We

770
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: know now that the guy that just won the Heisman

771
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: for them is going to be the first pick presumably

772
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: in the NFL Draft, But somebody's going to have to

773
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: take those snaps for them now. A guy that watched

774
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: virtually every snap that Josh Hoover took at TCU is

775
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: mac Engel. He'll let us know what's coming to Bloomington.

776
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that next, Eddie. Are you doing this

777
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: all day.

778
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 6: Doing?

779
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 2: What? What are you talking about?

780
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 3: Are we just doing? Is it just a bond Jovi day?

781
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 2: I guess so okay, and I'm not complaining about it.

782
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:04,959
Speaker 3: I've always heard he's a good dude.

783
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:09,720
Speaker 1: John bon Jovi supposedly one of the nicest dude's nicest guys.

784
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: He was in the IndyCar Race a couple years ago.

785
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: He and Brett Michaels were both there, and yeah, I

786
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: was wondering if it was going to be some sort

787
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: of an AquaNet like competition, you know what I mean,

788
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 1: although I think both of them not using as much

789
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: aquinet as they used to. But that's not to say

790
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 1: their fans didn't joining us now and I'm sure thrilled

791
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: to be doing so. Based on that segue on the

792
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 1: Java House Peel a poor guest line. He is worth

793
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: with the Fort Worth Star Telegram and has covered TCU football,

794
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: which is the reason I wanted to have him on,

795
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 1: and then also to ask him his favorite bon Jovie song.

796
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: Mac Ingele, friend of the show, joins us now, Mac,

797
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: your favorite song from bon Jovi was what?

798
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 6: Man? I feel terrible, Jake, and I mean that sincerely.

799
00:47:55,080 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 6: I never listened to bon Jovi, but this is it's

800
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 6: a true story. That's true. I didn't grow up listening

801
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 6: to bon Jovi. So I know wanted dead or alive

802
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 6: because of the guitar intro. And I do have the

803
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 6: unique distinction of having flown on bon Jovi's plane. True story.

804
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 2: Hold on, that's a true story. How did you end

805
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 2: up flying on bot?

806
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 3: Now?

807
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: Was bon Jovi on the plane as well? Or you

808
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: were like in some airport and they're like, oh, this is.

809
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 3: The only plane.

810
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 6: So I never knew this. So a number of years ago,

811
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 6: you know, I've been in Fort Worth for a long

812
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 6: time now thirty years, and I have a you know,

813
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 6: I've been doing this forever, Jake. So one year TCU

814
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 6: called me and said, hey, would you mind filling in

815
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 6: as a color analyst on one of our men's basketball

816
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 6: pro broadcasts at BYU and Provo. I said yeah sure.

817
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 6: They said, okay, meet us at the airport. It's a

818
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 6: private airport. I get to the private airport in Fort

819
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 6: Worth and it's a very very nice private plane. I

820
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 6: mean nice and I haven't even walked on yet. I'm like, Wow,

821
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 6: this is one hell of a plane. And this is

822
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 6: for a basketball team. This would have been, this has been.

823
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 6: Weren't even in the Big twelve yet. To tell you

824
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 6: how much money was floating around. So I get on

825
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 6: with the team and the coaching staff and I look

826
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 6: at this plane and it looks like the inside of

827
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 6: a hotel room or a suite. I'm like, holy God,

828
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 6: I'd never seen a plane like that. And I've flown

829
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 6: plenty of times, I've flown private before, I'd never been

830
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 6: on a plane like this, Jake, But it looked like

831
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 6: a suite. So finally there was a flight. There had

832
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 6: to be a flight attendant. And you get a college

833
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 6: basketball team full of all these six foot eight, six

834
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 6: foot six, six foot ten guys just spread all over

835
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 6: the place in these really nice big recliner seats that

836
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 6: are spread all over the place like a living room.

837
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 6: And I asked the flight attendant. I said, ma'am, whose

838
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 6: plane is this? She said, this is bon Jovi's plane.

839
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 6: And I said, you're kidding. She said, no, this is

840
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 6: bon Jovi's plane. Well, what they do is these entertainers

841
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 6: and sometimes really really wealthy people who have their own

842
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 6: plane to offset the costs, they will lease out their

843
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 6: planes when they're not using it. And it just so

844
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 6: happened that we used bon Jovi's plane to get the

845
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 6: Provo Utah back and forth so while I have no

846
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 6: real fandom of bon Jovi, I can say this without

847
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 6: any hesitation. I sure did like his plane.

848
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: You know, this reminds me of the time in high

849
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: school when I needed to use a car and you

850
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: leased out to me your eighty three were no alliance

851
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:26,919
Speaker 1: for an hour.

852
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 3: You remember that the.

853
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 6: Little red engine that couldn't That's right you.

854
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 3: You had on the dashboard.

855
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: You taped on the dashboard the cover of Car and

856
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: Driver magazine listing at his car of the year, right.

857
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 6: It was, I wasn't I wasn't wrong. It was Cary

858
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 6: is one of the best cars ever made, maybe the

859
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,280
Speaker 6: finest car ever made. It took me zero to sixty

860
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 6: and a day and a half, and I'm convinced, have

861
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 6: I If I had gotten into a wreck, if I

862
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 6: had hit a tree, I'm not forget a tree. If

863
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 6: I had hit anything at greater than ten miles an hour,

864
00:50:58,400 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 6: I would have been dead on the spot.

865
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: Do you remember, And I want to get into Josh

866
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 1: over here, but do you remember we I probably mentioned

867
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: this every other time you're on, but when you and

868
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: I were freshmen together at the University of Kansas and

869
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: the final four was in Minneapolis, and we were both

870
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: hell bent on going and so the only car we

871
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: could find was some guy on my dorm floor had

872
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: a pickup truck that the power steering had gone out

873
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: on it, and it was like do you remember this?

874
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 3: And we were basically.

875
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 6: Remember oh, I cause you remember if once you got

876
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,280
Speaker 6: to like sixty five or seventy, it would shake.

877
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 2: I mean, we put our life in our own hands.

878
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 3: Man.

879
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 6: That was it was such a great drive because it

880
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 6: was was so cold. It was just it was so

881
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 6: much fun. But I do remember, like I've driven certain

882
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 6: like rental cars, like rental trucks that have governors on

883
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 6: it so you can't go faster than seventy miles an hour.

884
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 6: That truck didn't have a governor on it. It was

885
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 6: its own governor. And I remember at times you would

886
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 6: really you would try to get the car to go

887
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 6: fast and it wouldn't. It just wouldn't go fast without

888
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 6: us thinking, Okay, we're gonna die because this scene is

889
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 6: going to explode.

890
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: We drove from Lawrence to Minneapolis in three and a

891
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: half weeks of that drive, right.

892
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right. We went sub you went to the

893
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 6: final four and saw that was Bob Knight's last time

894
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 6: in the Final four and they lost to Duke. And

895
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 6: that was the game I think where Todd Leary came

896
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 6: off the bench and hit three threes in the last

897
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 6: minute and Todd and over hit a game. Matt Nils

898
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 6: over hit a three to make it a game, and

899
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 6: a damn near one.

900
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: I know, and Jamal Meeks hit a half hour shot

901
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 1: after they called a foul and they overruled it. And

902
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: I was watching the game from my seat which was

903
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 1: actually closer to Fargo than the floor. But that's okay, okay, Mack.

904
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: What kind of player is Indiana getting in Josh Hoover.

905
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: You have covered TCU football, you have seen him. He

906
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: is the transfer quarterback that now is going to take

907
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: over Fernanda Mendoza. Give me the scouting report.

908
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 6: Oh boy, you know this is tough. He is a

909
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 6: very good passer. He's got good touch. He's a good thrower.

910
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 6: I've seen him play probably half of his games, and

911
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 6: he can really throw the ball. He really can throw

912
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 6: the ball. He can buy it.

913
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: Now when you say that, do you mean that he

914
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: can throw it like you know in the wow forty

915
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: five yard you know, bomb right where it needs to

916
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: be or do you mean he is like a precision

917
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: thrower that can like Mendoza was kind of that can

918
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: get in rhythm with the intermediate throws and put the

919
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: ball right in the window where it needs to be

920
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: or both.

921
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 6: He can put it. He can put it on you.

922
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 6: He can put it on you, and he can throw

923
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 6: to a receiver on the run so it's in a

924
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 6: good place for him to catch it and move so

925
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 6: he doesn't have to stop or come back. So he's accurate.

926
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 6: He's an accurate thrower. He really is an accurate thrower.

927
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 6: And he's he's not a guy who's going to make

928
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 6: plays with his feet in terms of don't expect him

929
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 6: if the play breaks down like a lot of these

930
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 6: quarterbacks can do. Now, do not expect him to go

931
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 6: rip off a fourteen yard run or to escape the

932
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 6: pocket from three guys who are breathing down his neck

933
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 6: and he's going to rip one off for seven or

934
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 6: eight yards or for forty that's not him. Now, he

935
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 6: can slide around and move around and get his body

936
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 6: square to make a good throw. He can do that,

937
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 6: and you know, in terms of his good guy he's responsible.

938
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 6: He's not going to embarrass his team, coaching staff, or

939
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 6: Indiana University in any way, shape or form. He's played

940
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 6: a ton of games against good, solid competition. He's done well.

941
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 6: He's won a lot of games. I think he's going

942
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 6: to I think he's got like seventeen or eighteen wins

943
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 6: in his two plus seasons as the starter at TCU,

944
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 6: and he is. When I talked to two NFL scouts

945
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 6: about him, they thought, I got two different opinions. One

946
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 6: was late day two, day three PI. The other one

947
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 6: was undrafted. Undrafted would sign with a team where he

948
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 6: wanted to go. So that that's kind of a wide

949
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 6: range there in terms of his draft status. He's already

950
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 6: graduated from TCUHO graduated in like three year, three and

951
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 6: a half years. He's a really good guy. He's really

952
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 6: well spoken, and he is a solid quarterback. He is.

953
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,399
Speaker 6: He is not Fernanda Mendoza, So.

954
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 3: He is not a design run guy.

955
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 6: Right, No, no way, no way. And I don't know

956
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 6: what how Indiana's offensive line is going to look next season.

957
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 6: Josh is a quarterback who needs his offensive line to

958
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 6: help him.

959
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 2: He just is.

960
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 6: That's not a slight but I do think it's really

961
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 6: important you bring a guy in you say, what can

962
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 6: this guy do and do well? And how can we

963
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 6: put him in a position to do those things? And

964
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 6: he's going to need a little bit of help from

965
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 6: his offensive line, and certain quarterbacks they don't need as

966
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 6: much because they can do things moving forward with their feet.

967
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 6: That's not his strength.

968
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: If you look at TCU football, which you have and

969
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: I have not, right, but you know, obviously good program,

970
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: one that has played for a national championship within the

971
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: last whatever it was, handful of years. But did he

972
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 1: when you talk about the offensive line for Indiana, if

973
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: he comes into a situation where there is an acclamation

974
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: period or even for that matter, and I don't anticipate

975
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: this with Kurt Signette, don't get me wrong, But if

976
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: there is any sort of adversity that comes the way

977
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: of Josh hub once he's in Indiana, has he overcome

978
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: adversity from a team standpoint or a scheduling standpoint at TCU,

979
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: And if so, what was kind of his maazi or

980
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: his emotion in handling it.

981
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 6: Well, that's a really good question because I think you

982
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 6: bring up a great point in terms of player development

983
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 6: even just person development, like what have you fallen down

984
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 6: and did you get up. I think if you look

985
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 6: at Josh's career at TCU, now this was a he

986
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 6: was a very good high school player. He was a

987
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 6: terrific pitcher. He almost played baseball. It's a really, really

988
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 6: talented pitcher. But he elected to play college football and

989
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 6: it's obviously worked out well for him. And when he

990
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 6: got the starting job, he got it because the guy

991
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 6: ahead of him got hurt in a game at Iowa

992
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 6: State in the middle of the twenty three season, and

993
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 6: he came in and he immediately showed something. Now he

994
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 6: had an injury late in the season, so that kind

995
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 6: of got sidetracked. Then the next year, TCUs started out

996
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,439
Speaker 6: pretty solid, then they lost some games where he wasn't

997
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 6: very good. They came back to win a handful of

998
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 6: games and close out and have a nice finish to

999
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 6: the twenty four season. They won a bowl game against

1000
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 6: a really bad opponent in Louisiana Monroe or something, Louisiana University.

1001
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 6: It was in New Mexico Bowl. Nobody, it was nothing,

1002
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 6: but he played well and they won and they finished

1003
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 6: nine to four. And then this last season they kind

1004
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 6: of did the same thing where they started out really well.

1005
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 6: He had a great game on National TV against North Carolina,

1006
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 6: though is Bill Belichick's first game at Chapel Hill. Josh

1007
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 6: loa great. They were playing pretty well and then they

1008
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 6: just had another one of those ugly skids where he

1009
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 6: didn't play really well. The team didn't play well, but

1010
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 6: they rebounded and they did finish really strong. And then

1011
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 6: obviously there was there was there was considerable back talk,

1012
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 6: not back talk, but backchannel conversations about whether or not

1013
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 6: he was going to stay for an additional season, and

1014
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 6: they were trying to work out the contract and he

1015
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 6: was still practicing with the team and then he just left.

1016
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 6: And that that that created a lot of hurt feelings

1017
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 6: between a lot of powers that be and and Hoover's side,

1018
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 6: so to speak, about the money taken and whether or

1019
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 6: not he fulfilled there was that's the ani world. But

1020
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 6: can you say that he really fell down a little bit?

1021
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 6: I think a little bit. Yeah. Can you say he

1022
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 6: rebounded strong and did all this other stuff? I don't

1023
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 6: think he could. I think he would say that's pretty good,

1024
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 6: not bad. I don't think Jake would sit there and

1025
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 6: look at his regiments say well that's bad, that's overrated.

1026
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 6: To no, you would say that's pretty good. It's pretty solid.

1027
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 6: He's a nice pastor. He's got some good statistics. They've

1028
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 6: had some decent wins. He only beat one ranked team

1029
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 6: in two plus seasons. They beat Houston on the road

1030
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 6: a couple months ago, and Houston, I think was twenty

1031
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 6: fifth or twenty second, and he threw three interceptions in

1032
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 6: that game. They won in spite of him, and that

1033
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 6: would happen with him sometimes he would kind of force

1034
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 6: it because he was trying to do too much. So

1035
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 6: I would say, you know, to your question about whether

1036
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 6: he fell down and came back into all that stuff,

1037
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 6: I think the biggest thing with Josh that if I

1038
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 6: had a criticism, is that he was getting better and

1039
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,439
Speaker 6: then he didn't get that much better. In fact, I'd

1040
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,479
Speaker 6: probably say he regressed. Now there's all kinds of thoughts.

1041
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 6: Was that the offensive coordinator was at this I don't know,

1042
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 6: but I know this, he couldn't In some ways, he

1043
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 6: couldn't be going to a better situation, and in other

1044
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 6: ways you would say, dude, that is the hardest situation

1045
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 6: in college football to walk into. What would you guess

1046
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 6: ring Bernana Mendoza, what would.

1047
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 3: You guess that? Or have you heard.

1048
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: I don't even know based on what he might have

1049
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: been getting. Innil was at TCUs. It's kind of irrelevant

1050
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: at this point, but out of curiosity, what would you

1051
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 1: guess Indiana it cost them to get him nil.

1052
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 6: I heard two different figures. I heard four million dollars,

1053
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 6: which i'd heard tc was ready to match and they

1054
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 6: had an agreement in place to do it. And then

1055
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 6: I heard he got the same thing as Cincinnati quarterback

1056
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 6: brendan swersby when he's signed with Texas Tech, which is

1057
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 6: closer to or is five million dollars. So it's one

1058
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 6: of those figures or it's slightly in between. You know,

1059
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 6: there was a big deal last year around this time

1060
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 6: that Tennessee came after him Josh Hoover, and he said thanks,

1061
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 6: but no thanks. I'm loyal to this team and I

1062
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 6: want to see this through and won a big twelve

1063
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 6: championship here and everybody made a big deal out that

1064
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 6: that a TCU kid turned down Tennessee and he got

1065
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 6: more money, he had more to potentially go, like two

1066
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 6: and a half million dollars. I think that was the

1067
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 6: reported figure, which I don't know if those are true

1068
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 6: or not, But in this one, and he already graduated,

1069
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 6: and I think he just felt the timers right. Obviously

1070
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 6: the money was great, but those are the figures that

1071
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 6: I heard. Was anywhere between four and five million dollars,

1072
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 6: And given the way the money is floating around some

1073
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 6: of these bigger programs, especially for quarterbacks, I would lean

1074
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 6: in the direction that it was closer to five rather

1075
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 6: than four.

1076
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: Matc Ngle's my guest. He's on the Java House Peeling

1077
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: Port guest line. He is with the Fort Worth Star

1078
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 1: Telegram talking about Josh Schuver. All right, you mentioned TCU

1079
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: when I and you showed me the campus when I

1080
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: was down there once.

1081
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 3: I mean, it's state of the art. Right. Have you

1082
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 3: watched land Man just out of curiosity?

1083
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 6: God? Yeah, Okay, I don't have a lot of choice.

1084
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: So right, So that's my question. So for those that

1085
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Speaker 1: have watched land Man, and in land Man, you know

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01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 1: his daughter is taking cheerleading camp at TCU.

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Speaker 3: How true? Though? In knowing land Man, and.

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01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: For those that are unfamiliar, Billy Bob Thornton, and he

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01:01:55,760 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: is overseeing and surveying oil fields in West Texas and

1090
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: then his daughter goes to TCU and just all that

1091
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 1: goes into that how accurate is Landman to life in Texas.

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Speaker 6: So it's not. I love the fact that they're doing it.

1093
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 6: It's meant so much to this community that the guy

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01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 6: who's doing it, Taylor, shared and has dedicated so much

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01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 6: of the production to this city, in this community. And

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01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 6: you and I, Jake, know that when Hollywood visits your

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01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 6: home state, whether it's Indiana or Forth, Texas, or certain

1098
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 6: places that are outside the norm of the Hollywood shooting

1099
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 6: locations now which have become popular, like Atlanta, it's become

1100
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 6: really popular. It's a big big deal to have Hollywood

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01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 6: in your backyard. So when they started to develop Landman,

1102
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 6: I mean, I know a lot of those people who've

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01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 6: had cameos, and there's one of the actors that was

1104
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 6: down the street from me who's worked with Taylor. It's

1105
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 6: a big, big deal. But is it accurate. I've talked

1106
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 6: to Oil, I've talked to guys who have Bob Billy

1107
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 6: Bob's Billy Bob's job in real life, and no, it's

1108
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 6: not accurate at all. Fought but no. And then one

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01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 6: of my favorite things is they make it sound like

1110
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 6: Midland Odessa, which is a big area a big oil area,

1111
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 6: oil and gas area in West Texas. They make it

1112
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 6: sound like it's about five minutes west of Fort Worth.

1113
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 6: Well it's closer to five hours.

1114
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: But no, it's nothing everywhere, Max, do you know that.

1115
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 6: But it's a it's a really fun show. I'm I'm

1116
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 6: surprised you. I don't know if you're watching or not.

1117
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 6: But the one thing that that this city's had to

1118
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 6: do in order to get that business, and I know

1119
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 6: TCUs had to do it as well, which is basically

1120
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 6: say Taylor, we trust you and we're gonna let you

1121
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 6: do whatever the hell you want. So they're shooting all

1122
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 6: these TV shows all of Like I saw Michelle Pfeiffer

1123
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 6: and one of the actresses she was, she was like

1124
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 6: five minutes away from my house shooting shooting some scene

1125
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 6: at some big rich house or wherever in the oil

1126
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 6: and gas guy. So I've seen all this stuff all

1127
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 6: over the place. And you see how like Sam Elliott's

1128
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 6: been in town, John Ham's been in town. They're going

1129
01:03:57,880 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 6: to these restaurants. It's it's really been a lot of fun.

1130
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 6: It In terms of its accuracy, I would say it

1131
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 6: is exaggerated fun, but I would still recommend.

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01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 3: It it is great. By the way, By the way,

1133
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 3: is Mark Cuban buying the Mavericks again.

1134
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 1: No.

1135
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 6: Mark sold the team a couple of years ago, and

1136
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 6: there was some there's all kinds of rumors to it.

1137
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 6: And I think one of the rumors that one of

1138
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 6: the parts to this Jake that I believed that Mark

1139
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 6: was going to follow the pattern of the maloof Brothers.

1140
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 6: And I don't know if you remember the maloof Brothers.

1141
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 6: The maloof Brothers were really well to do guys who

1142
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 6: I believe had owned the Rockets in the eighties or

1143
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 6: some eighties or nineties, and they got out of it,

1144
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 6: and they within six months immediately regretted it. They're like,

1145
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 6: oh my god, why do we had so much fun?

1146
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 6: So they went out and bought the Sacramento Kings, and

1147
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 6: I don't know if they still own it or not,

1148
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 6: but I really thought maybe Mark had some sellers remorse

1149
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 6: and wanted to get back into it.

1150
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 1: No.

1151
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 6: He, in fact, his shares of the team are going

1152
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,919
Speaker 6: to go down as the Dumont family, Patrick Dumont, who's

1153
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 6: part of the big casino family, they want to own

1154
01:04:57,640 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 6: the Mavericks and they're not going anywhere, and they're going

1155
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 6: to be a st and then I expect Patrick Dumont

1156
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 6: to own the Mavericks for a long time, and Mark

1157
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 6: Cuban will be a very active fan with access to

1158
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,439
Speaker 6: ownership and maybe some decisions, but nothing more.

1159
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: By the way, those guys that ended up buying the

1160
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: Kings my understanding. I tried to talk to them once.

1161
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 3: Uh.

1162
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Speaker 1: Not the easiest thing to do, you know why, Mac,

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01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: No little maloof Okay.

1164
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 3: See see that's thank you, Eddie, thank you for the

1165
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 3: so bad that's surprising.

1166
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 6: I know you long enough. I know how proud of

1167
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 6: yourself you are. You could jo like You've done all

1168
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 6: these cool things in your career. You've got awards and trophies, Greg,

1169
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 6: all this different stuff, great family. You're like stupid lines

1170
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 6: like that. You're looking for somebody to high fight.

1171
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 1: I have no awards and trophies. Just so you know,

1172
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 1: I mean that is, I have no awards and trophies.

1173
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: I didn't even have a Reno alliance, you know what

1174
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 1: I mean?

1175
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 3: Okay?

1176
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 1: Then, last thing about the MAVs, because it does relate

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Speaker 1: to the Pacers. The This is fascinating Mac, because Indiana

1178
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 1: and I talked about this earlier. You know, the Pacers

1179
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 1: trying to stay now within getting one of those four picks,

1180
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 1: and we'll see whether or not that comes to fruition.

1181
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 1: But Dallas, if you're looking at teams that are in

1182
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 1: you know, Peterson from Kansas, your alma mater, is one

1183
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 1: of the players in play here. There are four of them,

1184
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 1: and the Pacers have to be in that four or

1185
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: else they lose that pick of it's five to nine

1186
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 1: because of the trade they just made. Is Dallas a

1187
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 1: team that will throw its Maverick hat in the ring

1188
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 1: here of trying to basically tank? Or is that impossible

1189
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 1: when you have, in particular Cooper flag in the way

1190
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 1: he's playing.

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01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 6: I think they already did it. The number of teams

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01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 6: Jake well Ly backtrack. Do you believe? And I don't

1193
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 6: want to put you in a compromising position because I

1194
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 6: know you know, I know you've got some ties to

1195
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 6: the Pacers. Do you think the Pacers are tanking? Yeah?

1196
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 1: To an extent, Yes, I mean, and that's what I

1197
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 1: was talking about earlier. It's difficult to authentically ask it's

1198
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 1: difficult to ask people to be something other than what

1199
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 1: they authentically are. And they have a roster of players

1200
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:10,440
Speaker 1: that are authentically competitive and not bad players. You know,

1201
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 1: Jaris Walker is turning into a pretty good player. And

1202
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 1: so the way that the Pacers are designed, it's hard

1203
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 1: to find seven guys to go out there that you

1204
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 1: say to yourself, if we play these seven, we ain't

1205
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 1: gonna win, because they've got decent players. I don't think

1206
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 1: that they're at the point yet Mac of saying we're

1207
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: shutting it totally down and Nie Smith them hard. McConnell

1208
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 1: and you know everybody are not playing the rest of

1209
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 1: the year. But I think they are using combinations that

1210
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 1: keep it in play of the game, within competitive balance

1211
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: and then kind of seeing.

1212
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 3: Where things fall.

1213
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 1: I talk to one person over there that told me

1214
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 1: that at this point they quote need a little luck,

1215
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 1: and I think what that means is seeing which way

1216
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 1: the ball bounces. So is it are they all in

1217
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 1: on guys go out there and lose. I don't think

1218
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:03,439
Speaker 1: that's the case. But I think that they are now

1219
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: taking liberty with their rotations and being overly cautious with

1220
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 1: players that might have like the slightest hangnail.

1221
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 6: I think what Utah did the other night was horrendous

1222
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:19,640
Speaker 6: for the NBA, and I think as much fun and

1223
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 6: his conversation as that the lottery created for as long

1224
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 6: as it did, and it created a real point of

1225
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 6: interest for fans during a dead period on the schedule. Right,

1226
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 6: whether that the lottery is held in April or May

1227
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 6: or whatever. You got the draft and you had points

1228
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 6: on a calendar, which is what you're trying to do

1229
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 6: if you're a league, to get people to talk about

1230
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 6: it and remain interested in your product when the games

1231
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 6: aren't being played. Well, that's gone in a direction that

1232
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 6: I don't think anybody foresaw back in the mid eighties,

1233
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 6: and that is the off seasons have become almost more

1234
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 6: compelling than the regular seasons because of all this crazy

1235
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 6: player movement. Well, now we're getting to a point now

1236
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 6: during the regular seasons where you're watching games you're like,

1237
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,640
Speaker 6: what is going on out there, and whether or not

1238
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 6: you're questioning guys are taking a dive on certain plays

1239
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 6: to avoid prop bet numbers or to hit prop bet numbers,

1240
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 6: or now teams, not coaches, but teams strategically putting lineups

1241
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 6: out there that, no matter how hard they try, are

1242
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 6: not going to win that game. Right, And I think

1243
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 6: at leased in the case of Indiana's case, from the

1244
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 6: moment Ty Haliburton suffered his injury in Game seven to

1245
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 6: Miles Turner's exit to Milwaukee. I didink if you looked

1246
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 6: at the Pacers from that time to the start of

1247
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 6: the regular season, nobody you're thinking while they're tanking, they

1248
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 6: just haven't been any good. And now, granted what we're

1249
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 6: seeing his historic right. A team that went from one

1250
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 6: half away from winning an NBA Finals to now very

1251
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 6: much in the discussion for a lottery pick. That's incredible.

1252
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 6: And I think if you look at some of these

1253
01:09:54,800 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 6: other teams that are just so bad Sacramento, New Orleans, Washington, Yeah,

1254
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 6: no one really questions whether or not they're tanking. They

1255
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 6: just stink. But I think if the Mavericks, the Mavericks

1256
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 6: have nineteen wins and they've lost eight in a row.

1257
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 6: They've traded Anthony Davis, they got really nothing in return

1258
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 6: for him this season, that's going to do that much.

1259
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,200
Speaker 6: With all due respect to Marvin Bagley and Chris Middleton,

1260
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 6: I they're not going to play Kyrie Irving. Cooper flag

1261
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 6: is terrific. God is he good? I don't know how

1262
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:33,599
Speaker 6: I mean they would have to. It almost feels like Jake.

1263
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,640
Speaker 6: They would have to lose out to get one of

1264
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 6: those guys, whether it's the Boozer kid, the Darren Peterson kid,

1265
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 6: the kid at by you, the four or five special

1266
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 6: guys out there. You're like, oh, boy, that's a guy

1267
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 6: I want. I don't see how. I don't see how

1268
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 6: Dallas can get there. Now.

1269
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they're losing.

1270
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 6: You wouldn't rule that anything. But as much as I

1271
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 6: love basketball, the fact that will looking at seven or

1272
01:10:57,200 --> 01:11:00,680
Speaker 6: eight or nine to ten teams that are just I mean,

1273
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 6: it's embarrassing for basketball. It's embarrassing for the NBA. But

1274
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 6: I don't look at anything the Pacers have done, and

1275
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 6: I think what they're doing is out of character today

1276
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 6: than compared to the first week of the regular season

1277
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 6: when they stunk because they didn't have enough good players.

1278
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 1: Right well, and again I mean this all goes back

1279
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 1: to the Halliburton injury. But then on top of that,

1280
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:23,759
Speaker 1: I mean topping being out, you lose Turner, you lost

1281
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 1: legitimately had Nie Smith that was out for games, and Nimhart.

1282
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 1: Then at that point you get so far behind the

1283
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 1: eight ball where you're like, well, you know what I mean,

1284
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 1: if they're if the basketball gods had us here, then

1285
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 1: you know, maybe we got to do some things to

1286
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:37,519
Speaker 1: stick around in the room for a while.

1287
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:39,680
Speaker 3: But we'll see where all pans out.

1288
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 6: You can ask you one quick quick patier questions.

1289
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 3: You have a pacer, what's happening?

1290
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 6: Can I ask you one quick pacier question?

1291
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 3: Well?

1292
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 6: Sure? Okay. So I saw Benedict Matthren playing college.

1293
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 3: YEP.

1294
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 6: I thought he was terrific. I was really excited when

1295
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 6: the Pacers drafted him. I remember you tweeting in like

1296
01:11:57,800 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 6: the first couple of months he had made some plays

1297
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:02,599
Speaker 6: where you thought that guy's him, that guy knows he's him,

1298
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:05,560
Speaker 6: and he's got the game. I was ecstatic when he

1299
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 6: went off in Game three in the NBA Finals. I

1300
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 6: was like, Ooh, if that guy does that, they can win.

1301
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 6: This has this season the way it's gone and the

1302
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 6: fact that he's gotten so many cat like starts, is

1303
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 6: he going to be that guy for the Pacers or

1304
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:23,759
Speaker 6: as the head coach and he's doomed partner?

1305
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 3: They traded him. He was part of the trade. Yeah,

1306
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 3: so god, I.

1307
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 6: Feel like an idiot. I'm sorry cut this part out.

1308
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 1: Seriously, Hey Mac, I don't know if you know this

1309
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:37,680
Speaker 1: or not. You're and ready for Are you sitting down

1310
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 1: by the chip by chance?

1311
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 6: Yes?

1312
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,719
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold won the Super Bowl with the with the Seahawks.

1313
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 1: What did they get for him?

1314
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 6: I'm so embarrassed. I am literally like in humiliating. So

1315
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 6: what did they get?

1316
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 3: Well, you don't cover the Pacers, I get it. Uh.

1317
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 1: They traded Benedick Matherin and Isaiah Jackson to the Clippers

1318
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 1: for Visa Zoobots as the center, so she was the

1319
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:02,440
Speaker 1: trade correct and in doing that, they also traded provisionally

1320
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:05,599
Speaker 1: their first round pick this year unless they are in

1321
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 1: slots one through four. If they go five through nine,

1322
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 1: that pick goes to the Clippers.

1323
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 6: That's crazy to me because to.

1324
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 1: Answer your question, and the analogy that I've used repeatedly

1325
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 1: on this program, Mac, is that Ben Matherin the more

1326
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 1: and more that we saw it, Ben Matherin is run.

1327
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 1: This is what I keep saying on the air, And

1328
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 1: you can use this in your column if you'd like.

1329
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 1: Ben Matherin is rum. I like rum. I enjoy rum.

1330
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 1: Rum is good on its own, and there are several

1331
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:31,600
Speaker 1: drinks I enjoy that have rum in it. But the

1332
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 1: Pacers offense became an old fashioned and an old fashion

1333
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 1: is a fabulous drink, but it doesn't need rum and

1334
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't require rum.

1335
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 6: And so it's crazy to me because when I saw

1336
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 6: they traded for Zubos, it never crossed my mind that

1337
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 6: would they would give up on Matthew. Yeah, And I's

1338
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:46,640
Speaker 6: the only thing I can think of. And I have

1339
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 6: no way of knowing this, And I knew. I covered

1340
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:50,920
Speaker 6: Rick Carlile for a long time. I like Rick a lot.

1341
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:52,639
Speaker 6: Is a Rick hated him? Am I wrong?

1342
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:54,719
Speaker 3: I don't know that that was the case.

1343
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 1: I think it was just the fact that he's an

1344
01:13:56,479 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 1: isolation player and they play more of a float offense. Carlisle. Actually,

1345
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 1: I don't know that I would say he liked or

1346
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 1: disliked him. I don't know that it would be unfair

1347
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 1: of me to say that. But I just think that he,

1348
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 1: you know, Game three, he won them Game three. He

1349
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 1: also might have been the one that cost them Game

1350
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 1: four in the finals. And that's the yin and yang

1351
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:18,680
Speaker 1: of the Matheren journey. But I think the Clippers were

1352
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 1: in a situation where they wanted to clear cap space.

1353
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 1: They they took on the contract of Matherin because it

1354
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 1: expires at the end of the year, and then Jackson,

1355
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 1: as well as the salary match to get out from

1356
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 1: underne even though Zubos' salaries very friendly. But they're going

1357
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:35,679
Speaker 1: to line up like everybody else and the Yanna sweepstakes probably,

1358
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 1: But and then and then actually, Mac, and this is

1359
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:38,880
Speaker 1: this will be fun.

1360
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 3: You can look forward to this.

1361
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 1: If the Clippers actually sign Yannis sometime around June, then

1362
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:46,720
Speaker 1: about November you can come on with us and ask

1363
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:48,480
Speaker 1: how Yannis fits in with the Bucks.

1364
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 6: Than you something else? Did I hear the Pacers traded

1365
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 6: Ron Anderson and Chuck Persons?

1366
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1367
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 1: Right, they got Michael Williams from Minnesota, the point guard.

1368
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 6: Of the future series against Boston Number.

1369
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 1: Stood on the park. You can't stop me on the

1370
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 1: parquet floor.

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01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. I'm next.

1372
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 1: We'll get you up to speed on the trade that

1373
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 1: sent Wayman Tisdale the Sacramento Next time we talk, Mac,

1374
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 1: I appreciate the time as always. Back Gingle joining us

1375
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 1: from from again central time zone or three weeks ago,

1376
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 1: whichever way you'd like to look at unwhere Mac lies

1377
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 1: back into what Danny Hurley had to say last night.

1378
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 3: We'll do it next.

1379
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 7: Yes.

1380
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 1: By the way, John bon Jovi once owned uh An

1381
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 1: indoor football team. I suspect he doesn't anymore, because are

1382
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 1: there any more I know that like the Fisher's Freight play,

1383
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 1: but of the Arena League teams, does that league still exist?

1384
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 2: I didn't no idea.

1385
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:53,720
Speaker 1: You know what it must though, because the Indiana Firebirds

1386
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:58,639
Speaker 1: were originally the Albany Firebirds And Byron and I were

1387
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 1: on our road trip, was it last year and we

1388
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:08,480
Speaker 1: were going through upstate New York and we were near Albany,

1389
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 1: and that might have been two years ago at any rate,

1390
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 1: we were near Albany and we stopped at a gas

1391
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 1: station like in the middle of the day, and there

1392
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 1: was a guy in there wearing a Firebirds jersey, and

1393
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:24,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, that's got to be retro because they

1394
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:27,600
Speaker 1: moved to Indiana. And he said, no, no, no, there's a

1395
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:29,759
Speaker 1: new installment of it and they're playing in the semi

1396
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 1: finals tonight.

1397
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 3: I'm on my way to the game, Okay.

1398
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 1: I have no idea the semifinals of like what league

1399
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 1: that was or if it's still the same Arena Football League.

1400
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 1: I always thought the Firebirds were pretty entertaining, and I

1401
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 1: think they had a pretty decent fan following here when

1402
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:49,599
Speaker 1: they played at the field house, and you know Eddie Brown,

1403
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 1: of course, Antonio Brown's dad was their star player. And

1404
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 1: they had you know, they had some pretty good but

1405
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 1: Raymond phil Yah was their quarterback for a while, was

1406
01:16:58,280 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 1: really good.

1407
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:00,920
Speaker 3: They had the kid.

1408
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 1: They had a quarterback that had been in trouble at

1409
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 1: Florida State that ended up there and he was pretty good.

1410
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 1: Who was the quarterback they had that had been with

1411
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:18,800
Speaker 1: the Chargers. Somebody helped me out with that. But they

1412
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:20,879
Speaker 1: were only here a handful of years, but pretty entertaining.

1413
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 1: All right, I'm want to get back into what Danny

1414
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:28,679
Speaker 1: Hurley had to say last night. Eddie, do you happen

1415
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 1: to have after Danny Hurley? And if you're just joining

1416
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 1: the program, thank you. Danny Hurley on the postgame television

1417
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 1: comments on T and T talked about that Mada and

1418
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 1: essentially said, look, this guy is a great coach. I've

1419
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 1: coached against them Ohio State and here, and he just

1420
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 1: doesn't have And what I thought was interesting from Danny

1421
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:56,040
Speaker 1: Hurley is when he said he's a great coach back

1422
01:17:56,040 --> 01:18:00,720
Speaker 1: when college basketball was college basketball, but now I just

1423
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 1: don't know that he has the resources at Butler that

1424
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 1: are necessary for a coach.

1425
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 3: Of that level.

1426
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 1: And I don't think that he's meaning practice facilities and

1427
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 1: player dorms and apartments and all that kind of thing.

1428
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 1: He is meaning flat out money. At least that's what

1429
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 1: I assumed is I watched it live. Then I heard

1430
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:22,760
Speaker 1: what he had to say after the game in the

1431
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 1: press conference, which was.

1432
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:26,600
Speaker 7: This, I have an idea of what they've spent. I

1433
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 7: have an idea what they spent. And he should get

1434
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 7: Big East Coach of the Year for what he's what

1435
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:33,000
Speaker 7: he did with that team in a non conference before

1436
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:34,680
Speaker 7: he lost his starting point guard and then before he

1437
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 7: lost his now he's lost his backup point guard. You

1438
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:40,439
Speaker 7: know that that guy. You know what, Like I coached

1439
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 7: against coach when he was at Ohio State. I obviously

1440
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 7: followed him when he was at Butler, when I was

1441
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 7: at Rhody. You know, he went, uh, you know, he

1442
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 7: beat my ass. You know, I think in year one

1443
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 7: or year two there, you know, one of his great

1444
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:58,880
Speaker 7: Ohio State teams. I mean when it was college basketball, recruiting, developing,

1445
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 7: culture building program, player development, you know, before they turned

1446
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 7: into the G League. You know, he he he was,

1447
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 7: you know, one of the best coaches. So if you

1448
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 7: give him money and uh, you know, you give him

1449
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 7: eight nine million dollars a year or more to actually,

1450
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 7: you know, a build a team, uh that that can

1451
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 7: compete for championships. He'll do it as good as any

1452
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 7: of the coaches in the Big East. He's as good

1453
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 7: as any coach in our league.

1454
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 3: Fascinating to me.

1455
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 1: He said what we all know, eight to nine million

1456
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 1: a year, eight to nine million a year. But what

1457
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:51,679
Speaker 1: Danny Hurley just said, not just speaking the quiet part

1458
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 1: out loud, taking the quiet part and standing on the

1459
01:19:55,360 --> 01:20:01,600
Speaker 1: top of the Salesforce tower with a bullhorn. What he

1460
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:10,600
Speaker 1: just said leads to another fascinating point about college athletics.

1461
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 1: That requires a little bit to ingest and process, which

1462
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:18,839
Speaker 1: we'll do on the other side. And the Mike Nislik

1463
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:21,720
Speaker 1: joins us two o'clock talking about what Indiana players are

1464
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 1: coming to the combine. We'll get into that with him

1465
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 1: coming up in about eighteen minutes. Yes, Edy going with

1466
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:30,760
Speaker 1: the bon Jovie theme today. Not even sure how that

1467
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 1: came about, but I'm cool with it. How don't you

1468
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 1: dislike him? Was just never They got a ton of

1469
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 1: hits though, no doubt about it. By the way, Craig

1470
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:43,439
Speaker 1: Wheelahan was the quarterback for the Firebirds that had played

1471
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 1: with the Chargers.

1472
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 8: And.

1473
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 1: I always want to say, yeah, Adrian McPherson was the

1474
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 1: quarterback that had had problems at Florida State and then

1475
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:54,559
Speaker 1: ended up with the Firebirds as well.

1476
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 3: We were talking about that earlier.

1477
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 1: Danny Hurley's comments last night about thad Mada Eddie, if

1478
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 1: you could play for me one more time? What it

1479
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 1: was that he said in the postgame press conference that

1480
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 1: we just played because a couple of things I wanted

1481
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:12,559
Speaker 1: to that really jumped out of me.

1482
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 3: Here.

1483
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 1: This is Danny Hurley last night after Yukon's win at

1484
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:18,719
Speaker 1: Hiccklefield House over Butler.

1485
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:20,840
Speaker 7: I have an idea of what they've spent. I have

1486
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 7: an idea what they spent. And he should get Big

1487
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 7: East Coach of the Year for what he's said, what

1488
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 7: he did with that team in a non conference before

1489
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:28,640
Speaker 7: he lost his starting point guard and then before he

1490
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 7: lost his now he's lost his backup point guard. You

1491
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 7: know that that guy? You know what, Like I coached

1492
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,799
Speaker 7: against coach when he was at Ohio State. I obviously

1493
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:38,800
Speaker 7: followed him when he was at Butler when I was

1494
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 7: at Rhody. You know, he went, uh you know, he

1495
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 7: beat my ass. You know, I think in year one

1496
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 7: or year two there the uh you know, one of

1497
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 7: his great Ohio State teams. I mean when it was

1498
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:55,520
Speaker 7: college basketball, recruiting, developing culture, building a program, player development,

1499
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 7: you know, before they turned into the G League. You know,

1500
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:01,759
Speaker 7: he he he was, yeah, one of the best coaches.

1501
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 7: So if you give him money, and you know, you

1502
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 7: give him eight nine million dollars a year or more

1503
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:14,680
Speaker 7: to actually, you know, a build a team that that

1504
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 7: can compete for championships, he'll do it as good as

1505
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 7: any of the coaches in the Big East. He's as

1506
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 7: good as any coach in our league.

1507
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:23,680
Speaker 1: Here's the problem with that. A couple of things that

1508
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 1: are interesting. Danny Hurley, who turned down a mega contract

1509
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:34,040
Speaker 1: to coach in the NBA with the LA Lakers, turned

1510
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 1: down millions of coaching in the NBA to coach at Yukon,

1511
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 1: saying that back when it was still college basketball, before

1512
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:48,719
Speaker 1: it became the G League. I remember, I've been predicting

1513
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:53,720
Speaker 1: forever the G League eventually is going to become Kansas, Indiana,

1514
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:57,600
Speaker 1: North Carolina, Duke, Louisville, Memphis, UCLA.

1515
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:00,639
Speaker 3: I know that sounds extreme, but.

1516
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 1: Here you have a coach saying out loud, this is

1517
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:08,959
Speaker 1: basically the G League. And if you want to compete

1518
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 1: at Butler, at Butler in the Big East, eight to

1519
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:16,960
Speaker 1: nine million a year. He just threw it out there.

1520
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 1: Give him eight to nine million a year. And if

1521
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:25,120
Speaker 1: he's saying that while praising the coaching prowess of Thad Mada,

1522
01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:27,560
Speaker 1: what he is saying is he's probably throwing you the

1523
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 1: number that's the entry level. In other words, you give

1524
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 1: a Thad Mada eight or nine million, that guy can compete,

1525
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 1: But most coaches would have to have twelve to fourteen.

1526
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:42,200
Speaker 1: But that's how good Mada is. That's almost what he's saying,

1527
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 1: eight to nine million. Now, Butler is really in a

1528
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 1: difficult spot here. So two would be Georgetown, So two

1529
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 1: would be Saint John's because they don't have football. I

1530
01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 1: mean they do. I mean no disrespect to Butler's football program,

1531
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 1: but it's not Division one, you know, splitting money in

1532
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:14,640
Speaker 1: a big conference revenue generating football. Butler basketball is the

1533
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:19,679
Speaker 1: breadwinner on the Butler campus and yes, the university itself.

1534
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 1: When they went to back to back national championship games,

1535
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 1: that was a huge coup for them because, for example,

1536
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:28,719
Speaker 1: not only did it parlay for them to go into

1537
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 1: the Atlantic ten and then into the Big East, but

1538
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:37,040
Speaker 1: also their application for enrollment numbers all just ripped through

1539
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 1: the roof. That's the benefit you get. Indiana University has

1540
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 1: seen that right now, the number of applicants they're getting

1541
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:48,679
Speaker 1: for admission as a student, and how that can then

1542
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 1: increase the overall competitiveness and academic standard that you can

1543
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:58,479
Speaker 1: require to get into school there. But the bigger question

1544
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:06,639
Speaker 1: for me is, aside from we've seen coaches Jay Wright,

1545
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:09,680
Speaker 1: who I love, don't know them at all, love him

1546
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 1: as a coach. And I've told the story before during

1547
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 1: the COVID NCAA tournament when they had the entire tournament

1548
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:22,800
Speaker 1: here and you could go. You know, they allowed like

1549
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:26,480
Speaker 1: four hundred fans to go watch the games at Gambridge

1550
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:28,760
Speaker 1: Fieldhouse and you had to sit all on one side

1551
01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:31,600
Speaker 1: of the arena. And my buddy Ryan Robertson called me

1552
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:33,040
Speaker 1: up and said, you want to go. I've got tickets

1553
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:37,679
Speaker 1: for Villanova and North Texas after North Texas had upset Purdue.

1554
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 1: So we went to the game Villanova, Jay Wright's coaching.

1555
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 1: You could there were so few people in the arena

1556
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 1: you could hear Jay Wright coaching. You could hear them

1557
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:49,960
Speaker 1: instructing and teaching. And at one point in the game,

1558
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 1: it became apparent that, you know, Villanova was up twenty

1559
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:54,720
Speaker 1: five or.

1560
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 3: Thirty or whatever.

1561
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:57,080
Speaker 1: It was the second round of the tournament, so Nova's

1562
01:25:57,080 --> 01:25:59,519
Speaker 1: on their way to the sweet sixteen, and Villanova had

1563
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:01,519
Speaker 1: like probably one hundred and fifty fans there that had

1564
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 1: come out here for it. And late in the game

1565
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:10,120
Speaker 1: I've told the story before North Texas, it was obvious

1566
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 1: that North Texas was going to make a substitution and

1567
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:14,880
Speaker 1: bring out their seniors at the end of the game,

1568
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:17,879
Speaker 1: and the Villanova fans that were sitting behind the Villanova

1569
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 1: bench all got up and moved. I thought, what in

1570
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:22,639
Speaker 1: the world is happening. They all moved to sit behind

1571
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:25,640
Speaker 1: the North Texas bench so that they could applaud, and

1572
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 1: that those players for North Texas had people applauding them

1573
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:31,080
Speaker 1: as they came off the floor for their final game.

1574
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 1: And later I asked someone at the JW, just one

1575
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 1: of the workers there where all the teams stayed for

1576
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 1: the first and second round, Hey, what what team like

1577
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:44,080
Speaker 1: did you most enjoy? And they were like the kids

1578
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:47,800
Speaker 1: from Villanova were thankful they cleaned up after themselves. They

1579
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:50,559
Speaker 1: pushed their chairs in that. My point being all of

1580
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 1: that to say that it was very obvious to me

1581
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 1: that Jay Wright was a guy who had principal and

1582
01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 1: has principle about him, and you could see it within

1583
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 1: his program in all areas. And yet Jay Wright, with

1584
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 1: the love of the game of basketball and the purity

1585
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 1: of it and the teaching of it, decided to walk away,

1586
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:13,880
Speaker 1: and Tony Bennett Virginia decided to walk away. And we

1587
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 1: wondered why these coaches were retiring. And here's Danny Hurley

1588
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 1: that turned down millions in the NBA, and he sounds

1589
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:24,840
Speaker 1: right there like a guy that is basically saying this

1590
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:28,639
Speaker 1: crap's gone too far. But in addition to that, when

1591
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 1: he says, you need eight to nine million a year

1592
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:35,519
Speaker 1: for THADMNA, where does Butler get that? Where does any

1593
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:39,479
Speaker 1: program get that annually? Does Butler have an alumni base

1594
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 1: that can come up with eight or nine million dollars?

1595
01:27:41,439 --> 01:27:41,719
Speaker 6: Sure?

1596
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 3: But annually?

1597
01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 1: Because how many times can you go to the same booster.

1598
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:54,280
Speaker 1: I don't care how big a fan they are, Indiana

1599
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 1: fans are soaking in every single moment of what just

1600
01:27:57,439 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 1: happened with their college football program, and they love it

1601
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:03,760
Speaker 1: and they shot good. But you just heard mac Ingles

1602
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:05,679
Speaker 1: say that the word at TCU is that Josh houver

1603
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 1: roughly five million to get him to Bloomington. I don't

1604
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:12,200
Speaker 1: know that that's a factual number, but probably within the realm

1605
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 1: of possibility. And Indiana's going to get a lot of

1606
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 1: windfall from, of course, the playoff run and the television money,

1607
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 1: and you know, being in the Big ten in general

1608
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 1: is going to bring you in TV money alone, like

1609
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:26,600
Speaker 1: some seventy five million a year. Spend as you may,

1610
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:30,720
Speaker 1: but when you are going into and looking for boosters

1611
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 1: to help supplement the money that you're needing to spend,

1612
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:36,280
Speaker 1: how many times can you go to that well? How

1613
01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 1: many times can you go to the same car dealer

1614
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:40,160
Speaker 1: and say, you know, last year, I know that you

1615
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:41,800
Speaker 1: gave us one hundred and fifty grand because we had

1616
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:43,240
Speaker 1: a swing forward that was going to be a great

1617
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:45,080
Speaker 1: player for us, and he was a good player, but

1618
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 1: he got hurt and then he transferred. So this year

1619
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:49,160
Speaker 1: we've got one of the team better. We need two hundred

1620
01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 1: and twenty five thousand. How many times can you go

1621
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 1: to that well before people are like, look, I gotta

1622
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 1: sit this one out.

1623
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:59,000
Speaker 3: Eight to nine million a year a year.

1624
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:02,880
Speaker 1: That's why I've always said maybe Butler would have been

1625
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 1: better staying in the A ten because there it's probably gasp,

1626
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 1: dare I say it, four to six million a year,

1627
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:13,679
Speaker 1: big time business man. And when Danny Hurley is saying

1628
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:16,720
Speaker 1: and he's saying things like g league crap the way

1629
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 1: it used to be, and he sounds like a guy

1630
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 1: that's longing for it. And this is as fast paced,

1631
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:26,200
Speaker 1: keep up with it all over the place East Coast

1632
01:29:26,200 --> 01:29:31,519
Speaker 1: guy as it gets, and even he needs to stop

1633
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 1: and take a deep breath.

1634
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:33,679
Speaker 3: That tells you something.

1635
01:29:34,200 --> 01:29:38,240
Speaker 1: Indiana's got nine players headed to the NFL combine. Who

1636
01:29:38,360 --> 01:29:41,800
Speaker 1: was left out and who needs a really good combine

1637
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:46,760
Speaker 1: to cement their chance to get drafted? Not named Mendoza.

1638
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:49,120
Speaker 1: We'll go down to Bloomington. We'll talk to our buddy Mike.

1639
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:53,800
Speaker 1: Thank you Eddie, who joins us from the Bloomington Herald Times.

1640
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:57,679
Speaker 3: Next, did you play this one already?

1641
01:29:58,160 --> 01:29:58,600
Speaker 2: I have not?

1642
01:29:59,080 --> 01:29:59,639
Speaker 3: Are you sure?

1643
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 2: I'm sure I think you did?

1644
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 6: No?

1645
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 3: Am I starting?

1646
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:07,040
Speaker 1: Am I reaching the point now where all of a

1647
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:09,639
Speaker 1: sudden everything's I'm getting you know, It's like when people

1648
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:11,400
Speaker 1: will say, what did you talk about in the show yesterday, Mike,

1649
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:13,240
Speaker 1: I don't remember if that was yesterday or a month ago.

1650
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:16,840
Speaker 1: I know I have not played this yet, okay. I mean,

1651
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:18,600
Speaker 1: I'm not like mac Engele who didn't know that been

1652
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:22,640
Speaker 1: Matheren have been traded. But so, which ones have you

1653
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:23,240
Speaker 1: done so far?

1654
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 2: Living on a Prayer?

1655
01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:30,880
Speaker 4: We played that one, It's My Life Runaway, Bad Medicine.

1656
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 2: I can't remember the other one that.

1657
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:36,479
Speaker 4: I played, It's My Life twice, right, No, I haven't

1658
01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:37,400
Speaker 4: played it in life twice.

1659
01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:38,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure.

1660
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 2: I I think you have no.

1661
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:44,479
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, we could ask the audience, but we

1662
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:47,000
Speaker 1: know this much. Very few stick around for more than

1663
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:51,400
Speaker 1: one segment on this program, right, Yeah, that's true. Joining

1664
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:53,880
Speaker 1: us now on the Java House people and Board guest line,

1665
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:56,679
Speaker 1: we've talked about the NFL combine. When is the combine?

1666
01:30:56,680 --> 01:31:00,280
Speaker 1: And it's usually in April? Is it not combine itself?

1667
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 1: Is in a couple of weeks? That's right, because the

1668
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:06,000
Speaker 1: raft is in April. Yes, But Indiana we now know

1669
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:12,599
Speaker 1: nine players nine times will be represented. Those players Bernanda Mendoza,

1670
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:14,800
Speaker 1: who probably will be the number one player selected in

1671
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:17,920
Speaker 1: the draft, Robin Henby, the running back who runs really hard,

1672
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:22,880
Speaker 1: Omar Cooper Junior, Elijah Surratt who catches everything thrown his way,

1673
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:27,719
Speaker 1: Riley Nowakowski, their tight end, Pat Coogan who was honored

1674
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:30,800
Speaker 1: after the Rose Bull, Aiden Fisher who was Johnny on

1675
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:34,000
Speaker 1: the spot all the time, DiAngelo Pons, Lou Moore.

1676
01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:35,599
Speaker 3: Those that have been.

1677
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:38,640
Speaker 1: Selected for the combine Joining us now from Bloomington Mike

1678
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:42,000
Speaker 1: Nislick of the Bloomington Herald Times. Mike will begin with this,

1679
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:44,840
Speaker 1: were there any that were not invited to the combine

1680
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:47,360
Speaker 1: that surprised you or felt like a slight.

1681
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:50,320
Speaker 9: Well, I mean, I think you could make the case

1682
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:53,760
Speaker 9: for three of the other guys, Kaylon Black, you know,

1683
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 9: the running back that was kind of co starter with Henby,

1684
01:31:56,520 --> 01:32:01,479
Speaker 9: Mkalkamara defensive end who obviously sackers. You know, sack numbers

1685
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:04,760
Speaker 9: are down, but let fbs and quarterback pressures a year ago.

1686
01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:07,600
Speaker 9: I mean, somebody like that usually gets an invite, and

1687
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:09,840
Speaker 9: then Devin Boy can obviously get their safety kind of

1688
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:12,560
Speaker 9: one of their safeties alongside lot more. But at the

1689
01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:14,760
Speaker 9: same time, you know, obviously you know three in what

1690
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 9: three nineteen or sixteen players invited total? I mean, you know,

1691
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 9: you can't have everybody. One of the things that Indiana

1692
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:23,720
Speaker 9: will benefit from is that, you know, scouts saw a

1693
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:25,680
Speaker 9: lot of their games, right obviously, because they played it

1694
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:29,360
Speaker 9: hot in big moments against big competition. So those guys

1695
01:32:29,400 --> 01:32:31,599
Speaker 9: will have had eyes on them and they'll benefit from

1696
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:33,519
Speaker 9: the Pro Day with the fact that you know, in

1697
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:36,479
Speaker 9: past years the Indiana Pro Day hasn't been necessarily under right,

1698
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:38,799
Speaker 9: how about this year all eyes will be in Bloomington

1699
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:41,439
Speaker 9: because Fanana Mendozo will obviously be there and plans to throw,

1700
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:44,080
Speaker 9: so they'll benefit from that as well.

1701
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:48,080
Speaker 1: And Mendoza has announced for the actual combine that he

1702
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:49,680
Speaker 1: will not throw there. He will do it on his

1703
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:53,400
Speaker 1: Pro Day, but that is not unusual for a presumptive

1704
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:55,240
Speaker 1: first round or in this case number one pick.

1705
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:57,639
Speaker 2: Correct, right, There's really no benefit.

1706
01:32:57,720 --> 01:32:59,519
Speaker 9: I mean, what does he have to prove at this point,

1707
01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:04,559
Speaker 9: I mean, trophy winner. You know they took him sixteen

1708
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:06,360
Speaker 9: and oh all the way to the National tap title game.

1709
01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:08,559
Speaker 2: He's got the tape right, and he has nothing to prove.

1710
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:10,400
Speaker 9: Didn't play in any of the Scene Rowles or Shine

1711
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:13,880
Speaker 9: Bowls obviously with the quick turnaround, like there was just nothing.

1712
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:16,599
Speaker 9: There's no there's no mountain he has to climb, and

1713
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:19,559
Speaker 9: it's all on tape. It's on some Obviously the interviews

1714
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:21,720
Speaker 9: helped and you know, you know, getting in front of

1715
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:24,840
Speaker 9: people at those spots, and that's what he'll do at

1716
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:27,320
Speaker 9: the combine. But you know, and he's talked about his

1717
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:29,679
Speaker 9: pro day's more throwing for everybody else as a post

1718
01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:31,920
Speaker 9: for himself, like he does not have anything to prove,

1719
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:34,280
Speaker 9: but he wants to help the guy that helped him

1720
01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:34,679
Speaker 9: get here.

1721
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:37,880
Speaker 1: Mike Nizelek is my guest. He's on the Java House

1722
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:40,559
Speaker 1: Peel and Port guest line, Mike. Of those that I

1723
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:44,840
Speaker 1: just listed off that were invited to the combine, and

1724
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:46,880
Speaker 1: we'll go with a couple of questions here. I'll begin

1725
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:51,040
Speaker 1: with this one. Which player do you think most benefited

1726
01:33:51,160 --> 01:33:55,840
Speaker 1: from this season of Indiana football and Kurt Signetti's development,

1727
01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:59,960
Speaker 1: one that perhaps when their college career began, you did

1728
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:02,439
Speaker 1: not think this was even a possibility, and yet here

1729
01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:06,000
Speaker 1: they are because they blossomed under what Indiana was able

1730
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:10,040
Speaker 1: to allow them to showcase in terms of their individual

1731
01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:10,599
Speaker 1: skill set.

1732
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:14,680
Speaker 9: Well, certainly the D'Angelo pons Uh fits. You know, it's

1733
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:16,760
Speaker 9: obviously not the offensive guy or I mean Curtis ignit.

1734
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:18,439
Speaker 9: He didn't have the hand, and that's sort of necessarily

1735
01:34:18,479 --> 01:34:21,240
Speaker 9: his development on the defensive side of the ball. But

1736
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:24,280
Speaker 9: I mean their philosophy in terms of, you know, making

1737
01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:26,479
Speaker 9: sure everybody's ready and and sort of study development. And

1738
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:28,880
Speaker 9: he's called him like the most talented player he's coached,

1739
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:31,479
Speaker 9: you know, in an entire career, right year one to

1740
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:35,280
Speaker 9: whatever three was, you know, but it's it's you know,

1741
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:38,080
Speaker 9: All American each year freshman, All American at JMU, and

1742
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:42,120
Speaker 9: obviously All American last two years in Bloomington. You know,

1743
01:34:42,160 --> 01:34:45,200
Speaker 9: the size concerns sort of now are have kind of

1744
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:47,479
Speaker 9: gone away with him just because of what he's shown

1745
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:49,240
Speaker 9: on philm and you fit, you know, somebody like that

1746
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:51,840
Speaker 9: getting you know, being an early mid round pick would

1747
01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:53,880
Speaker 9: be you know, really against the odds interest in terms

1748
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:55,920
Speaker 9: of like that size. It does kind of scare a

1749
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:58,080
Speaker 9: lot of teams off. But I think he's proven and

1750
01:34:58,120 --> 01:35:00,680
Speaker 9: he's shown, uh, you know, he's he's a heck of

1751
01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:03,880
Speaker 9: a player, heck of a competitor, and you know, I

1752
01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:06,240
Speaker 9: think he's probably the number one on that list because

1753
01:35:06,280 --> 01:35:07,519
Speaker 9: I think he might be the second one to go

1754
01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:08,560
Speaker 9: after Mendoza.

1755
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:10,240
Speaker 3: What player.

1756
01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:14,559
Speaker 1: That you look at Mike or that when you talk

1757
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:16,599
Speaker 1: about it, or you know, you talk to people from

1758
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:21,000
Speaker 1: outside of Indiana, Ponds and Mendoza, you know it goes

1759
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:22,720
Speaker 1: without saying because you know, there was a lot of

1760
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:25,360
Speaker 1: interest about ponds going into the year obviously, and you

1761
01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:30,879
Speaker 1: know one of the trans ferst but which one feels

1762
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:35,040
Speaker 1: like there their stock is improving the most rapidly here

1763
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:36,240
Speaker 1: If that makes sense.

1764
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:38,000
Speaker 6: I don't know.

1765
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:40,519
Speaker 9: I mean the thob is is that Indiana has a

1766
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:42,880
Speaker 9: guy a lot a lot of guys, you know, maybe

1767
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:45,960
Speaker 9: with the exception of like on Omar Cooper that aren't

1768
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:48,120
Speaker 9: sort of combine asks, sort of like oh they're going

1769
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:49,800
Speaker 9: to run a four to three and blow everybody out

1770
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:51,439
Speaker 9: of the water, and like that's how they kind of

1771
01:35:51,479 --> 01:35:53,160
Speaker 9: just like jump and jump up the boards. I think

1772
01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:55,760
Speaker 9: a lot of these guys are more guys than when

1773
01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:58,479
Speaker 9: they get in the interview rooms are going to sort

1774
01:35:58,520 --> 01:35:59,960
Speaker 9: of be like that's the guy we want in our

1775
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:02,680
Speaker 9: locker room culture, Like that's the guy we want. You know,

1776
01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:05,800
Speaker 9: if you can't necessarily make an impact, like not a

1777
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:08,280
Speaker 9: lot of these guys are like day one impact guys, right,

1778
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:10,800
Speaker 9: like an Aidan Fisher or Pat Cougan, but like they

1779
01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:13,080
Speaker 9: will make you better. They will find ways to get

1780
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:15,439
Speaker 9: on the field and make an impact, right Like, those

1781
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:18,120
Speaker 9: guys could be special teams guys. Those guys could be

1782
01:36:18,200 --> 01:36:20,000
Speaker 9: you know, key, key backups. And so I think in

1783
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:23,320
Speaker 9: the NFL, like they're not the partotypical like gonna jump

1784
01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:25,400
Speaker 9: off a draft for because oh you like I said,

1785
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:28,680
Speaker 9: you know, their show run was so great or this

1786
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:30,960
Speaker 9: or that at the combine. But they are guys that

1787
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:34,120
Speaker 9: I think are going to get in a a in

1788
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:37,719
Speaker 9: a room and pressed scouts and press executives and find

1789
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:39,800
Speaker 9: a way to get drafted maybe the late rounds, and

1790
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:43,040
Speaker 9: stick around and have a solid NFL career just because

1791
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:44,000
Speaker 9: of their makeup.

1792
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:48,160
Speaker 1: Mike, what I'm about to say is irrelevant because it's

1793
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:52,200
Speaker 1: going to be the case regardless, but just out of curiosity,

1794
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:57,120
Speaker 1: Mendoza as the presumptive number one pick in the draft.

1795
01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:00,439
Speaker 1: Do you believe that's because he has had a season

1796
01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:04,840
Speaker 1: and has a skill set that is immediately translatable as

1797
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:07,960
Speaker 1: the number one pick regardless of year, or is he

1798
01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:10,599
Speaker 1: also benefiting from the fact that this is a year

1799
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:13,880
Speaker 1: that does not have a high number of quote unquote

1800
01:37:13,880 --> 01:37:14,960
Speaker 1: franchise quarterbacks.

1801
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:17,720
Speaker 9: Well, I certainly think both, Like, I mean, there was

1802
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:19,840
Speaker 9: talk about more even with the year he had being

1803
01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:21,800
Speaker 9: like a potential number one pick just because of the

1804
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:23,680
Speaker 9: skill set he had and obviously offering sort of like

1805
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:27,519
Speaker 9: a counterpoint to maybe what Mendoza brings, Like there is

1806
01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:29,920
Speaker 9: none of that, so like like there's not even a

1807
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:33,080
Speaker 9: discussion like in another year, like maybe there's two three

1808
01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:36,719
Speaker 9: guys that you know are involved and like it maybe

1809
01:37:36,760 --> 01:37:38,559
Speaker 9: maybe Mendoza has to go to the common and throw

1810
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:40,960
Speaker 9: or something like that, But I mean, there it is

1811
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:43,719
Speaker 9: just such a clean he's such a clear, presumptive head

1812
01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:46,479
Speaker 9: and shoulders above the rest of the field that like,

1813
01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:50,759
Speaker 9: you know that maybe is a little bit more unique

1814
01:37:50,760 --> 01:37:53,560
Speaker 9: than than most years. And I think, you know, but

1815
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:55,519
Speaker 9: I mean, I don't know that many guys that would

1816
01:37:55,560 --> 01:37:58,240
Speaker 9: have changed the conversation, Like I said, Dante Moore maybe,

1817
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:01,360
Speaker 9: but even then, I still think, you know, Mendoza would

1818
01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:03,479
Speaker 9: have been the number one pick on like eighty percent

1819
01:38:03,479 --> 01:38:06,240
Speaker 9: of the draft board, so it didn't change a whole lot,

1820
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:09,120
Speaker 9: but obviously, you know, it changes the discussion a little

1821
01:38:09,120 --> 01:38:10,800
Speaker 9: bit in terms of like, look, he's the number one

1822
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:13,160
Speaker 9: pick no matter what. There's no way anybody can envision

1823
01:38:13,240 --> 01:38:14,040
Speaker 9: him not being it.

1824
01:38:14,120 --> 01:38:16,840
Speaker 1: And by the way, to clarify for folks that are unfamiliar,

1825
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:18,599
Speaker 1: which to some extent includes me.

1826
01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:22,360
Speaker 3: The NFL has to invite you to the combine. Correct.

1827
01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:24,960
Speaker 1: This is not the university saying here's who we're sending.

1828
01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:28,000
Speaker 1: The NFL says, these are the guys that we want

1829
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:29,840
Speaker 1: to take a look at, right, correct.

1830
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:32,599
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's all invite based, and the pro days open,

1831
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:37,120
Speaker 9: you know, usually opened all the graduating, you know, people

1832
01:38:37,160 --> 01:38:39,760
Speaker 9: out of eligibility that Indiana you know, just hosts on

1833
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:42,800
Speaker 9: their own. But yeah, the combine is invite.

1834
01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:43,559
Speaker 3: Only, Mike.

1835
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:46,120
Speaker 1: While I've got you here, Mike Naslick, my guest Jaba

1836
01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:47,960
Speaker 1: House Peel and poor guest Line. I want to talk

1837
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:51,040
Speaker 1: a little basketball as well, because obviously you know that

1838
01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:53,720
Speaker 1: as well from the Indiana basketball side of things, and

1839
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:56,559
Speaker 1: we've talked to you about that in the past. I've

1840
01:38:56,560 --> 01:39:01,000
Speaker 1: been talking a lot today about Danny Hurley's comments last night, Mike,

1841
01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:03,640
Speaker 1: And if you're not familiar with what Danny Hurley had

1842
01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:10,080
Speaker 1: to say after last night's Butler Connecticut game, Danny Hurley

1843
01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:11,599
Speaker 1: was asked about that. Actually, I don't even know if

1844
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:14,679
Speaker 1: he was asked about that, Mada. He essentially volunteered about

1845
01:39:14,680 --> 01:39:18,640
Speaker 1: that Mada, his support for Mada and the terms that

1846
01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:22,439
Speaker 1: he used, Mike. You know, he said, this is a

1847
01:39:22,439 --> 01:39:25,240
Speaker 1: guy that showed what a great coach he was when

1848
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:28,040
Speaker 1: it was still college basketball, and then later he went

1849
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:31,760
Speaker 1: on to say before it became the G League, and

1850
01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:35,280
Speaker 1: later he went on to say, just give that eight

1851
01:39:35,320 --> 01:39:37,160
Speaker 1: to nine million a year and then you'll see what

1852
01:39:37,240 --> 01:39:39,679
Speaker 1: kind of coach he is. And this is a guy,

1853
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:41,760
Speaker 1: as I talked about with Danny Hurley, that turned down

1854
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:45,160
Speaker 1: multi millions of dollars from the Lakers to coach in

1855
01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:48,600
Speaker 1: the NBA. But he almost sounded like he himself was

1856
01:39:48,680 --> 01:39:53,719
Speaker 1: exhausted by where things are with nil. Do you believe

1857
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:55,960
Speaker 1: that we are getting to a point, Mike, whether it's

1858
01:39:55,960 --> 01:39:58,880
Speaker 1: going to have to be some sort of jurisdiction or

1859
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:01,960
Speaker 1: cap on all of this to at the very least

1860
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:06,040
Speaker 1: present as though there is some sort of boundary to

1861
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:07,679
Speaker 1: the wild wild West we've entered into.

1862
01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:11,639
Speaker 9: Well, I mean that was what the College Sports Commission

1863
01:40:11,680 --> 01:40:15,600
Speaker 9: was supposed to be, and the revenue share, and you know,

1864
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:17,040
Speaker 9: and then I always supposed to be kind of like

1865
01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:19,640
Speaker 9: that little extra in the pot. But like teams have

1866
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:23,479
Speaker 9: tried every which way to sort of circumvent it. So like,

1867
01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:25,320
Speaker 9: I mean, they're the makers of their own demise in

1868
01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:28,479
Speaker 9: the sense that like when the rules sort of leave

1869
01:40:29,320 --> 01:40:31,680
Speaker 9: a window open, they will try to get through it, right. Like,

1870
01:40:31,720 --> 01:40:35,479
Speaker 9: it's just, you know, it's hard to find sympathy when

1871
01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:38,479
Speaker 9: for the coaches when like they're the ones, you know,

1872
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:41,920
Speaker 9: not not necessarily Hurley specifically, but just like they're the

1873
01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:44,040
Speaker 9: ones doing it right, they're the ones pushing to get

1874
01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:46,640
Speaker 9: more money to be able to offer these deals. So

1875
01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:49,960
Speaker 9: it's like, it's just I don't know what the solution is,

1876
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:54,200
Speaker 9: Like it's it's I mean, it's not working right now.

1877
01:40:54,240 --> 01:40:56,680
Speaker 9: And I mean you see all the eligibility stuff which

1878
01:40:56,720 --> 01:40:59,320
Speaker 9: is all sort of tied to all this, and you know,

1879
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:04,280
Speaker 9: it's it's mess, and uh, there's no easy solutions because

1880
01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:06,600
Speaker 9: teams are always going to want the competitive edge and

1881
01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:09,280
Speaker 9: to take advantage of any sort of like opportunity they have.

1882
01:41:10,120 --> 01:41:12,680
Speaker 9: On the flip side, that means that like you need

1883
01:41:12,720 --> 01:41:16,960
Speaker 9: to have real like enforcement rules, which the NCI does

1884
01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:19,519
Speaker 9: not really have the teeth to be able to do. So, Like,

1885
01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:21,599
Speaker 9: I don't know where you go next.

1886
01:41:21,680 --> 01:41:25,559
Speaker 1: What would you guess Indiana or any Big ten school

1887
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:28,479
Speaker 1: for that matter, Mike, any upper league Big ten school,

1888
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:33,320
Speaker 1: what would you guess their NIL expenditure is not just

1889
01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:38,839
Speaker 1: in player money, but just overall budget. The overall basketball budget,

1890
01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:41,800
Speaker 1: let's just say in Indiana roughly speaking, is what.

1891
01:41:43,320 --> 01:41:45,439
Speaker 9: I don't have the top of off the top of

1892
01:41:45,439 --> 01:41:47,120
Speaker 9: my head. I mean, those in the financial numbers for

1893
01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:48,880
Speaker 9: next year coming out probably the next couple weeks in

1894
01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:51,479
Speaker 9: terms of like what the actual budgets are in terms

1895
01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:55,160
Speaker 9: of nil. You know, like with the revenue share you know,

1896
01:41:55,240 --> 01:41:59,000
Speaker 9: basketball gets, you know, like fifteen here, like fifteen ish

1897
01:41:59,080 --> 01:42:01,960
Speaker 9: percent of like the twenty million you know around there,

1898
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:04,400
Speaker 9: and it's like sort of on the higher end. I mean,

1899
01:42:04,479 --> 01:42:07,000
Speaker 9: you're talking about schools trying to get you know, extra

1900
01:42:07,200 --> 01:42:09,920
Speaker 9: on top of that to to be able to you know,

1901
01:42:10,040 --> 01:42:11,719
Speaker 9: have a competitive roster.

1902
01:42:12,720 --> 01:42:12,920
Speaker 6: You know.

1903
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:15,160
Speaker 9: It's sort of wild in the sense that, like any

1904
01:42:15,240 --> 01:42:16,960
Speaker 9: numbers that get put out there, you kind of take

1905
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:19,400
Speaker 9: with a gris salt, because you know, they're they're jocking

1906
01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:21,679
Speaker 9: for me, right, Like these agents are jocking for money

1907
01:42:21,680 --> 01:42:23,280
Speaker 9: for their clients, and so it's sort of like it

1908
01:42:23,320 --> 01:42:25,680
Speaker 9: all feels very inflated. Like when you see like, oh,

1909
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:27,840
Speaker 9: this quarterback got offered five million, it's like well, who's

1910
01:42:27,880 --> 01:42:30,519
Speaker 9: saying right, Like, I mean, I don't know, it's hard

1911
01:42:30,520 --> 01:42:32,800
Speaker 9: to say, like, but I mean, you know, in terms

1912
01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:35,880
Speaker 9: of revenue share, obviously for this year was you know,

1913
01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:37,720
Speaker 9: twenty million. It goes up a little bit next year.

1914
01:42:37,720 --> 01:42:40,200
Speaker 9: But in terms of like what basketball teams are getting,

1915
01:42:40,760 --> 01:42:43,920
Speaker 9: you know, it's somewhere in the ballpark of like, you know,

1916
01:42:44,200 --> 01:42:46,920
Speaker 9: the next big chunk of it besides football, like fifteen

1917
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:49,479
Speaker 9: percent ish, and so you can kind of.

1918
01:42:49,439 --> 01:42:50,040
Speaker 6: Go from there.

1919
01:42:50,120 --> 01:42:53,000
Speaker 9: And then teams are supplementing that with nil and trying

1920
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:55,760
Speaker 9: to obviously get as much as they can, but those

1921
01:42:55,800 --> 01:42:57,720
Speaker 9: funds are all come from someplace else too, so a

1922
01:42:57,760 --> 01:43:01,240
Speaker 9: lot of places are you know, we're really hoping revenue

1923
01:43:01,280 --> 01:43:02,880
Speaker 9: share would sort of take away that pressure so they

1924
01:43:02,920 --> 01:43:06,799
Speaker 9: can get back to fundraising for stadium projects and other things.

1925
01:43:06,840 --> 01:43:08,560
Speaker 9: But you know, now it's still it's kind of the

1926
01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:11,800
Speaker 9: statscos sort of continued here with teams trying to have

1927
01:43:11,880 --> 01:43:15,000
Speaker 9: to still supplement that stuff with Then il fhons.

1928
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:16,760
Speaker 1: Darren Devrez's group has won two in a row, that

1929
01:43:16,920 --> 01:43:19,720
Speaker 1: won five of their last six Big One upcoming this

1930
01:43:19,800 --> 01:43:24,519
Speaker 1: weekend at Illinois. How is Indiana different than they were

1931
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:25,200
Speaker 1: two months ago?

1932
01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:30,960
Speaker 9: You know, it's a good question, Darren DeVries says, not much.

1933
01:43:31,320 --> 01:43:34,120
Speaker 9: Like he says, like basically they were playing games the

1934
01:43:34,120 --> 01:43:37,040
Speaker 9: way they are now, but just for they just weren't finishing,

1935
01:43:37,120 --> 01:43:39,320
Speaker 9: or there were longer stretches where it was like they

1936
01:43:39,439 --> 01:43:41,200
Speaker 9: you know, would go cold from the field, Like there

1937
01:43:41,200 --> 01:43:42,920
Speaker 9: were these ten minute stretches in games where they were

1938
01:43:42,920 --> 01:43:45,600
Speaker 9: just having problems and kind of got away from you know,

1939
01:43:46,120 --> 01:43:49,680
Speaker 9: obviously they're the sort of moving the ball around or

1940
01:43:49,720 --> 01:43:51,920
Speaker 9: shooting well, and so like they're doing the same things.

1941
01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:54,280
Speaker 9: It's not like a radically different team. I think Lamar

1942
01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:56,760
Speaker 9: Wilkerson obviously stepped up a little bit, but I mean,

1943
01:43:56,840 --> 01:43:58,719
Speaker 9: if you look at his numbers going back to non conference,

1944
01:43:58,760 --> 01:44:01,479
Speaker 9: they're not that much different. He dominated Penn State and

1945
01:44:01,479 --> 01:44:04,000
Speaker 9: that was in December. So like, I don't think it's

1946
01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:06,200
Speaker 9: any individual one thing. I just think it's the growth

1947
01:44:06,200 --> 01:44:09,040
Speaker 9: of a team that obviously didn't have any returning players,

1948
01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:13,400
Speaker 9: and so you see them putting everything together more so

1949
01:44:13,640 --> 01:44:16,240
Speaker 9: and for that full forty minutes as opposed to having

1950
01:44:16,240 --> 01:44:18,320
Speaker 9: those longer lapses that have cost them and sort of

1951
01:44:18,439 --> 01:44:21,519
Speaker 9: the losses they had. But it's not a radically different

1952
01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:23,880
Speaker 9: team than it was necessarily a month ago, or even

1953
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:24,479
Speaker 9: two months ago.

1954
01:44:25,240 --> 01:44:28,800
Speaker 1: The NFL scouting combine back to that begins one week

1955
01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:31,439
Speaker 1: from Monday, as a matter of fact, February twenty third

1956
01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:34,400
Speaker 1: until March second, in Lucas Oil Stadium here in town,

1957
01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:38,160
Speaker 1: Indiana will be well represented. But again, Bernanda Mendoza throwing

1958
01:44:38,240 --> 01:44:41,760
Speaker 1: at his pro day down in Bloomington. Mike, I'm sure

1959
01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:43,799
Speaker 1: we'll be on top of all of it. Mike Nisialik

1960
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:47,680
Speaker 1: from the Bloomington Herald Times. Mike, appreciate the time as always.

1961
01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:49,559
Speaker 2: Man, anytime, Thanks man.

1962
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:52,680
Speaker 1: Mike Nislick joining us on the Java House Peel and

1963
01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:56,679
Speaker 1: poor guest line. And I'm telling you not to labor

1964
01:44:56,720 --> 01:44:59,320
Speaker 1: the point, but those statements from Danny Hurley to me were.

1965
01:45:01,160 --> 01:45:02,120
Speaker 3: Very eye opening.

1966
01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:06,200
Speaker 1: Something else that took place last night that a little

1967
01:45:06,200 --> 01:45:10,240
Speaker 1: bit eye opening. To get back into this. Last night,

1968
01:45:10,320 --> 01:45:15,120
Speaker 1: I went to the ball State Buffalo game. I and

1969
01:45:15,200 --> 01:45:17,400
Speaker 1: I like Michael lewis a great deal. I don't know

1970
01:45:17,479 --> 01:45:21,160
Speaker 1: that I truly like got a feel for or grasped.

1971
01:45:21,160 --> 01:45:22,800
Speaker 1: I mean, because I was going to the ball State game.

1972
01:45:22,840 --> 01:45:27,160
Speaker 1: I maybe I should have done this beforehand, so I apologize,

1973
01:45:27,200 --> 01:45:30,240
Speaker 1: But I really just looked further into their season and

1974
01:45:30,280 --> 01:45:35,400
Speaker 1: the way things have gone and their roster, and you know,

1975
01:45:35,439 --> 01:45:38,360
Speaker 1: that's a great arena. I mean worth an arena really is.

1976
01:45:39,720 --> 01:45:43,160
Speaker 1: And that opened, I believe when I was in college

1977
01:45:43,240 --> 01:45:46,800
Speaker 1: or shortly before that, and I remember, you know, going

1978
01:45:46,840 --> 01:45:48,559
Speaker 1: to it and just walking around it. I mean, it

1979
01:45:48,600 --> 01:45:52,679
Speaker 1: really is not a bad seat in the house, looks

1980
01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:54,600
Speaker 1: cool from the outside, all of it. And it's a

1981
01:45:54,720 --> 01:45:57,040
Speaker 1: you know, from the north side of Indie an hour

1982
01:45:57,080 --> 01:45:58,360
Speaker 1: flat basically to get there.

1983
01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:03,400
Speaker 3: And yet it was diehards and parents.

1984
01:46:03,560 --> 01:46:06,760
Speaker 1: I mean that's basically yet and I'm not saying that

1985
01:46:06,760 --> 01:46:08,680
Speaker 1: that's not probably always the case unless all of a

1986
01:46:08,680 --> 01:46:11,360
Speaker 1: sudden you have some Indiana state level twenty three and

1987
01:46:11,439 --> 01:46:15,400
Speaker 1: one hunderd Josh shirts season at that that level of

1988
01:46:15,439 --> 01:46:19,559
Speaker 1: play in terms of the crowd, but made me wonder

1989
01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:21,720
Speaker 1: what their their future is going to be, or you know,

1990
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:25,160
Speaker 1: Michael Lewis what his future is going to be. Buffalo

1991
01:46:25,160 --> 01:46:27,960
Speaker 1: won that game last night, then came home, I saw

1992
01:46:27,960 --> 01:46:29,920
Speaker 1: the end of the Butler Connecticut game. That's where I

1993
01:46:29,960 --> 01:46:32,640
Speaker 1: saw Danny Hurley's comments and then saw furthermore of the

1994
01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:36,960
Speaker 1: comments that he made in the press conference afterwards. And

1995
01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:38,920
Speaker 1: I also turned on the Pacer game at the end

1996
01:46:38,920 --> 01:46:41,880
Speaker 1: of the game. And I'm going to go back to

1997
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:44,800
Speaker 1: and repeat what I said off the top of the show,

1998
01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:47,400
Speaker 1: and that is that, and I can do it in

1999
01:46:47,439 --> 01:46:48,880
Speaker 1: a more abbreviated version.

2000
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:51,600
Speaker 3: But there have been times.

2001
01:46:52,200 --> 01:46:55,080
Speaker 1: One of the advantages I guess to just having experience

2002
01:46:55,160 --> 01:46:59,240
Speaker 1: and being around something long enough is that no matter

2003
01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:01,160
Speaker 1: what it is, no matter what walk of life you're

2004
01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:04,760
Speaker 1: talking about, the more that you go through something, the

2005
01:47:04,760 --> 01:47:10,800
Speaker 1: more organic you can be, and the longer that you

2006
01:47:10,920 --> 01:47:16,240
Speaker 1: do something, the more inevitably your organic nature comes out

2007
01:47:16,640 --> 01:47:21,479
Speaker 1: and your true colors show. And I made mention to

2008
01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:25,519
Speaker 1: the fact that earlier in my career, when I was,

2009
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:33,320
Speaker 1: you know, probably over zealous for opportunity or advantage within

2010
01:47:33,439 --> 01:47:38,439
Speaker 1: the industry, whatever it might be, I was asked, I

2011
01:47:38,520 --> 01:47:41,120
Speaker 1: was told who I was going to be. Hey, we're

2012
01:47:41,160 --> 01:47:43,080
Speaker 1: going to give you an opportunity here, Jake, but we're

2013
01:47:43,120 --> 01:47:47,559
Speaker 1: going to ask that you be this way. And the

2014
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:51,920
Speaker 1: first job that I had in radio, truthfully, I was

2015
01:47:52,040 --> 01:47:56,400
Speaker 1: told to just push the envelope. Push the envelope. Be edgy,

2016
01:47:57,200 --> 01:47:59,000
Speaker 1: be edgy, We're going to be young, We're going to

2017
01:47:59,040 --> 01:48:02,479
Speaker 1: be hip, be all those things. Ruffle feathers, get the

2018
01:48:02,479 --> 01:48:05,920
Speaker 1: phone lines lit up, and As a matter of fact,

2019
01:48:05,960 --> 01:48:07,800
Speaker 1: I even remember them taking me out to lunch and

2020
01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:13,880
Speaker 1: telling me don't hold back. And that was all well

2021
01:48:13,880 --> 01:48:18,559
Speaker 1: and good, and that helped in the immediacy, but in

2022
01:48:18,600 --> 01:48:20,920
Speaker 1: reality it was a difficult time for me because that

2023
01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:26,240
Speaker 1: wasn't authentically who I was. And I somewhat pity people

2024
01:48:26,280 --> 01:48:32,600
Speaker 1: that authentically who they are is to be a you know,

2025
01:48:32,680 --> 01:48:35,200
Speaker 1: ruffle feathers. I just that's not who I want to be.

2026
01:48:37,160 --> 01:48:39,040
Speaker 1: And I thought about all of that last night as

2027
01:48:39,080 --> 01:48:40,960
Speaker 1: I was watching the Pacer game. Because as I was

2028
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:43,559
Speaker 1: watching the Pacer game, and I'm looking at it and

2029
01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:45,559
Speaker 1: it's a tie game, and somebody hits a big three

2030
01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:48,519
Speaker 1: and the Pacers go up three, and I had this

2031
01:48:49,200 --> 01:48:54,160
Speaker 1: dichotomy within me because the natural instinct a reaction for

2032
01:48:54,280 --> 01:48:56,280
Speaker 1: me when somebody hits the threes.

2033
01:48:56,240 --> 01:48:58,920
Speaker 3: Like yes, and then I'm like no, no, no, no.

2034
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:01,880
Speaker 1: It reminded me of kind of when and I remember

2035
01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:06,479
Speaker 1: back when I worked in Channel six and when we

2036
01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:10,240
Speaker 1: first started seeing budget cuts come in media coverage and

2037
01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:12,960
Speaker 1: the NCAA tournament had arrived, and of course it had

2038
01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:16,360
Speaker 1: always been a habit amongst it was one of my

2039
01:49:16,360 --> 01:49:18,679
Speaker 1: favorite times a year to sit down as a sports

2040
01:49:18,680 --> 01:49:21,440
Speaker 1: department and figure out, Okay, who's covering this game, who's

2041
01:49:21,520 --> 01:49:23,800
Speaker 1: traveling here, who's traveling there, who's going with ball State,

2042
01:49:23,840 --> 01:49:26,120
Speaker 1: who's going with Butler, who's going with Indiana, who's going

2043
01:49:26,160 --> 01:49:26,559
Speaker 1: with Purdue.

2044
01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:28,960
Speaker 2: Do we need to send somebody to cover Evansville, you know, whatever?

2045
01:49:28,960 --> 01:49:30,599
Speaker 3: It might be? Notre Dame.

2046
01:49:31,040 --> 01:49:33,880
Speaker 1: And there was a year at Channel six, one of

2047
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:36,479
Speaker 1: the very first years when they started cutting budget, and

2048
01:49:36,520 --> 01:49:39,000
Speaker 1: so one of the local teams we couldn't cover. I'm

2049
01:49:39,000 --> 01:49:41,000
Speaker 1: not going to say which one, but we did not

2050
01:49:41,240 --> 01:49:44,559
Speaker 1: travel to cover that team in the NCAA tournament. And

2051
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:49,000
Speaker 1: we're all sitting in the sports office and a player

2052
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:53,400
Speaker 1: for said team hits a shot late to presumably win

2053
01:49:53,520 --> 01:49:55,720
Speaker 1: for them the opening round game of the tournament, and

2054
01:49:55,800 --> 01:49:59,760
Speaker 1: instinctively and naturally we all jumped up, Holy cow, what

2055
01:49:59,800 --> 01:50:04,080
Speaker 1: is And Ed Sorenson then catches himself and says, guys,

2056
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:06,839
Speaker 1: calm down. We need these guys to go down in flames,

2057
01:50:07,320 --> 01:50:09,360
Speaker 1: because he was worried that the further they went, the

2058
01:50:09,360 --> 01:50:12,280
Speaker 1: more it was going to illustrate to the viewers that

2059
01:50:12,360 --> 01:50:15,120
Speaker 1: we were not there covering them live. So we needed

2060
01:50:15,120 --> 01:50:17,960
Speaker 1: it kind of out of the way quickly. And last night.

2061
01:50:18,360 --> 01:50:20,519
Speaker 1: That's kind of what watching the Pacer game was, like,

2062
01:50:21,560 --> 01:50:25,639
Speaker 1: you know, Ethan Thompson hits a big three and I'm like, yes, cool,

2063
01:50:25,720 --> 01:50:27,320
Speaker 1: you know whatever, and then I'm like, wha, We'll wait

2064
01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:29,400
Speaker 1: a minute, Like I'm hearing ed Sorenson in my voice,

2065
01:50:29,439 --> 01:50:33,360
Speaker 1: like we need these guys to lose this game. And

2066
01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:37,439
Speaker 1: as I'm watching it and they're taking on Brooklyn and

2067
01:50:38,240 --> 01:50:41,559
Speaker 1: you know about and you're aware of, and you're keenly

2068
01:50:41,640 --> 01:50:45,280
Speaker 1: watching and keeping an eye on the standings of making

2069
01:50:45,320 --> 01:50:49,439
Speaker 1: sure that you stay in that bottom four in terms

2070
01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:53,240
Speaker 1: of technically bottom six, to give yourself the best chance

2071
01:50:53,280 --> 01:50:56,000
Speaker 1: to get and hold on to your draft pick as

2072
01:50:56,080 --> 01:51:00,120
Speaker 1: one of the top four picks in the draft. And

2073
01:51:00,200 --> 01:51:02,960
Speaker 1: so I'm saying to myself, why are these guys winning

2074
01:51:02,960 --> 01:51:07,559
Speaker 1: this game? Why is Jaris Walker going off for twenty nine?

2075
01:51:10,160 --> 01:51:15,439
Speaker 1: And that's what it dawned on me. You can't forever

2076
01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:19,920
Speaker 1: expect and ask people to be something other than authentically

2077
01:51:19,920 --> 01:51:23,759
Speaker 1: who they are, and you don't make it to the NBA.

2078
01:51:23,800 --> 01:51:27,400
Speaker 1: I don't care how bit a player you look to

2079
01:51:27,400 --> 01:51:31,559
Speaker 1: be in the NBA, how peripherally you look in terms

2080
01:51:31,560 --> 01:51:35,120
Speaker 1: of your skill set and the National Basketball Association, if

2081
01:51:35,120 --> 01:51:39,840
Speaker 1: you are in the NBA, the top series, in the

2082
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:42,320
Speaker 1: top league of basketball.

2083
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:42,400
Speaker 3: In the world.

2084
01:51:43,320 --> 01:51:46,800
Speaker 1: If you're in the NBA, it's because you have been

2085
01:51:46,840 --> 01:51:51,320
Speaker 1: the ultra competitor perfectionist for your entire life of building

2086
01:51:51,320 --> 01:51:55,360
Speaker 1: your basketball career. And even if that means that you

2087
01:51:55,479 --> 01:51:58,080
Speaker 1: cracked the code into being one of the the two

2088
01:51:58,200 --> 01:52:00,880
Speaker 1: hundred and eightieth best player in the NBA in the world,

2089
01:52:01,720 --> 01:52:05,320
Speaker 1: you're in the NBA because you are that. And so

2090
01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:08,000
Speaker 1: if you're playing for a franchise in your minutes and

2091
01:52:08,040 --> 01:52:13,759
Speaker 1: your opportunities are only coming because the star point guard

2092
01:52:13,800 --> 01:52:17,080
Speaker 1: is out, or the shooting guard is out, or the

2093
01:52:17,120 --> 01:52:21,439
Speaker 1: power forward is resting for a night, or the starting

2094
01:52:21,520 --> 01:52:25,160
Speaker 1: center just got traded and you're figuring out, you know,

2095
01:52:25,360 --> 01:52:27,840
Speaker 1: and the new guy isn't playing yet, or whatever else.

2096
01:52:28,040 --> 01:52:31,479
Speaker 1: No matter what reasoning it may be, that you're getting

2097
01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:34,960
Speaker 1: opportunity to be on the floor. Once you're on the floor,

2098
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:38,479
Speaker 1: your authentic organic nature that got you there is to

2099
01:52:38,600 --> 01:52:42,200
Speaker 1: be uber competitive and to expect the best out of

2100
01:52:42,240 --> 01:52:45,800
Speaker 1: yourself and to exhibit the best out of yourself. And

2101
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:48,760
Speaker 1: it's opportunity for you to showcase to the rest of

2102
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:51,599
Speaker 1: the league what it is that you can do so

2103
01:52:51,680 --> 01:52:55,280
Speaker 1: that once the roster you're on the Pacers gets back

2104
01:52:55,280 --> 01:52:58,160
Speaker 1: to fully healthy and they're running it back next year

2105
01:52:58,560 --> 01:53:00,840
Speaker 1: and trying to get back to where they were in

2106
01:53:00,880 --> 01:53:06,760
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City. If you know that that may squeeze you out,

2107
01:53:07,240 --> 01:53:09,080
Speaker 1: you may be looking at it saying, but there's still

2108
01:53:09,160 --> 01:53:13,160
Speaker 1: chance for me if Minnesota has an opening, or Phoenix

2109
01:53:13,200 --> 01:53:16,080
Speaker 1: has an opening, or Atlanta has an opening, whatever it

2110
01:53:16,080 --> 01:53:19,320
Speaker 1: may be, because your competitive nature and the personal pride

2111
01:53:19,360 --> 01:53:22,320
Speaker 1: that got you to that point is authentically who you are,

2112
01:53:23,240 --> 01:53:26,599
Speaker 1: and so it is unfair for us to expect that

2113
01:53:26,680 --> 01:53:33,280
Speaker 1: those players would compromise that and go out and basically tank. Now,

2114
01:53:35,120 --> 01:53:38,719
Speaker 1: can the Pacers use different combinations that might not be

2115
01:53:39,080 --> 01:53:44,200
Speaker 1: the best interlocking combination so that somebody else has a

2116
01:53:44,240 --> 01:53:48,080
Speaker 1: better chance of Perhaps, are we going to see a

2117
01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:52,360
Speaker 1: lot more of you know, quote soft tissue injury or

2118
01:53:54,200 --> 01:54:01,920
Speaker 1: rest and things like that, or you know, load management. Perhaps,

2119
01:54:04,520 --> 01:54:08,360
Speaker 1: But at its core, players in the NBA are competitors

2120
01:54:09,080 --> 01:54:11,920
Speaker 1: and last night, and what you see last night is

2121
01:54:11,960 --> 01:54:15,759
Speaker 1: that Indiana, even with their last third of their roster,

2122
01:54:16,040 --> 01:54:19,040
Speaker 1: have pretty competitive guys that want to win games, and

2123
01:54:19,120 --> 01:54:22,040
Speaker 1: they are entitled to that opportunity to do so. But

2124
01:54:22,120 --> 01:54:25,240
Speaker 1: it is tough because the Pacers are well aware, well

2125
01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:28,920
Speaker 1: aware of what happens if they lose that top four pick.

2126
01:54:28,960 --> 01:54:31,840
Speaker 1: And yes, I do believe, I don't know, I don't know.

2127
01:54:31,920 --> 01:54:35,320
Speaker 1: I'm not directly quoting, but I do believe if truth

2128
01:54:35,360 --> 01:54:37,760
Speaker 1: Serum has put in them, that the Pacers brass is

2129
01:54:37,800 --> 01:54:40,640
Speaker 1: looking at it and saying, we're kind of hopeful that

2130
01:54:40,680 --> 01:54:44,160
Speaker 1: things fall the way where we can keep that first

2131
01:54:44,240 --> 01:54:46,800
Speaker 1: round pick and get one of those wings. And that

2132
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:50,360
Speaker 1: helps us even more so more than does winning a

2133
01:54:50,400 --> 01:54:54,480
Speaker 1: game in February over the Brooklyn Nets. But if you

2134
01:54:54,520 --> 01:54:59,240
Speaker 1: look at where things are right now, slotted the nets

2135
01:54:59,640 --> 01:55:04,760
Speaker 1: six hardest remaining schedule, Advantage Nets and staying in that mix,

2136
01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:10,960
Speaker 1: the Wizard's eleventh hardest remaining schedule, the Mavericks' thirteenth hardest

2137
01:55:11,040 --> 01:55:21,280
Speaker 1: remaining schedule, and then those whose schedule becomes a little easier. Unfortunately,

2138
01:55:21,480 --> 01:55:24,400
Speaker 1: the Pacers, Kings Jazz, It's going to be even that

2139
01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:27,600
Speaker 1: much more of a challenge. But keep an eye on

2140
01:55:27,640 --> 01:55:30,440
Speaker 1: it as we move forward. There was big news on

2141
01:55:30,520 --> 01:55:35,320
Speaker 1: the West Side today in terms of sports. Episode are

2142
01:55:35,440 --> 01:55:40,280
Speaker 1: out of Indianapolis. I'll tell you about that. Next pretty

2143
01:55:40,280 --> 01:55:46,960
Speaker 1: big news that came out from the Speedway today, and

2144
01:55:47,080 --> 01:55:49,360
Speaker 1: I realized that when you see it on paper, it

2145
01:55:49,440 --> 01:55:52,680
Speaker 1: probably doesn't jump out as overly meaningful, especially to those

2146
01:55:52,680 --> 01:55:57,080
Speaker 1: of you that are not entrenched within the day to days,

2147
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Speaker 1: if you will, from Indy car hold on, Jake, there

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Speaker 1: we go, and that's coming before we know it, right

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Speaker 1: end of the year here in Saint Pete.

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Speaker 3: But I remember The Brady Bunch. I was a kid.

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Speaker 1: I thought The Brady Bunch actually took place in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 3: I was super stoked about it.

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Speaker 1: And what's funny about The Brady Bunch, or any show

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Speaker 1: for that matter, is that when I was watching it,

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Speaker 1: probably nineteen you know, the first time that my sisters

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01:56:35,400 --> 01:56:37,680
Speaker 1: and I would have been watching The Brady Bunch, it

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01:56:37,680 --> 01:56:41,240
Speaker 1: would have been probably nineteen seventy seven, seventy eight, seventy

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Speaker 1: nine that era. I had no idea that what I

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01:56:44,600 --> 01:56:46,280
Speaker 1: was watching as a show that had been off the

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Speaker 1: air for seven years at that point, actually five years

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01:56:49,000 --> 01:56:52,920
Speaker 1: at that point, whatever it might be. But what I

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01:56:52,960 --> 01:56:55,320
Speaker 1: knew was that I lived in Indiana. I lived in

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01:56:55,360 --> 01:56:57,840
Speaker 1: at the time Shelbyville and then Indianapolis. And there was

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01:56:57,880 --> 01:57:00,120
Speaker 1: an episode of The Brady Bunch where Greg Braid he

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Speaker 1: buys a kind of a lemon car. Interestingly enough, buys

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01:57:05,480 --> 01:57:09,280
Speaker 1: it from the same actor who also played Ratfing, Jerry Rodgers.

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01:57:10,640 --> 01:57:14,080
Speaker 1: But when he soups up the car and he's getting

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Speaker 1: ready to show the rest of the Brady family the

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01:57:16,920 --> 01:57:19,200
Speaker 1: work that he did on it and the improvements he made,

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Speaker 1: he says, get ready to see the hottest wheels this

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01:57:21,960 --> 01:57:24,440
Speaker 1: side of Indianapolis. And I thought that meant that he

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01:57:24,480 --> 01:57:27,160
Speaker 1: lived in Indianapolis, super excited about it.

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Speaker 3: My Dad's like, no, no, no, Jake.

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Speaker 1: He's saying that because Indianapolis, because of the five hundred,

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Speaker 1: is the place that is seen as the epicenter for

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01:57:38,960 --> 01:57:45,200
Speaker 1: hot cars. Oh okay, And that is true because and

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Speaker 1: the reason the Indianapolis five hundred mile Race became the

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Speaker 1: iconic event that it became is because, I mean, amongst

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Speaker 1: many reasons, but this is my opinion. And the post

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01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:04,560
Speaker 1: war era in this country we almost had like a

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01:58:04,600 --> 01:58:11,120
Speaker 1: second Industrial Revolution, and the industrial revolution, if you will,

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Speaker 1: that we had in the post war era was Middle

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01:58:14,520 --> 01:58:26,040
Speaker 1: Earth America, Anderson, Indiana, Greensburg, Indiana, Sparta, Kentucky, Hayes, Kansas.

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01:58:26,880 --> 01:58:30,440
Speaker 1: You know, these towns all had factories where people built

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01:58:30,480 --> 01:58:34,080
Speaker 1: things and made things, and they took great pride in

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01:58:34,120 --> 01:58:36,240
Speaker 1: the work that they did for it. And people had

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01:58:36,240 --> 01:58:40,680
Speaker 1: a job and a pension and a salary, and sometimes

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01:58:40,720 --> 01:58:42,800
Speaker 1: their kids went to college, and other times their kids

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01:58:42,800 --> 01:58:45,040
Speaker 1: came to work for at the same factory or wherever

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01:58:45,040 --> 01:58:48,880
Speaker 1: it may be, and life was good, right and for

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01:58:49,120 --> 01:58:53,560
Speaker 1: a large percentage of this population in the United States

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01:58:53,560 --> 01:58:59,320
Speaker 1: and that time, they the automobile was an integral part

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Speaker 1: of the life lifestyle. They either worked at a factory

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01:59:04,680 --> 01:59:07,480
Speaker 1: or a showroom or any number of things revolving around

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01:59:07,520 --> 01:59:12,840
Speaker 1: the automobile. The development of the Chrysler, the development of

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Speaker 1: a General motors car, the Pontiac, the Oldsmobile, the Chevrolet,

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01:59:18,160 --> 01:59:21,040
Speaker 1: the development of Ford. If they weren't of any of

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Speaker 1: the Big three, and if they didn't work in those places,

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Speaker 1: oftentimes they had their own car they worked on in

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01:59:28,760 --> 01:59:32,080
Speaker 1: the driveway, their Dodge Challenger that they were going to

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Speaker 1: make faster than their neighbors, Ford, Mustang, whatever it might be.

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Speaker 1: And so the showcase for all of that was the

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01:59:37,960 --> 01:59:43,400
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Motor Speedway, and men and women around this country

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01:59:43,400 --> 01:59:46,560
Speaker 1: looked forward every May to seeing what was going to

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01:59:46,600 --> 01:59:49,839
Speaker 1: be unveiled in what the latest development was. Not unlike

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01:59:50,720 --> 01:59:52,440
Speaker 1: people that you talked to that were like, I couldn't

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01:59:52,440 --> 01:59:54,840
Speaker 1: wait to run down to the showroom floor and see

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01:59:54,880 --> 01:59:58,160
Speaker 1: the new fins on the Pontiac or how the Plymouth

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01:59:58,240 --> 02:00:01,000
Speaker 1: looked this year. Dad would tell me about when he

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Speaker 1: was a kid, how he would sit in his bedroom

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02:00:03,560 --> 02:00:05,400
Speaker 1: and he could tell by the sound of the car

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02:00:05,480 --> 02:00:08,000
Speaker 1: that passed by what kind of car it was, what

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02:00:08,080 --> 02:00:12,200
Speaker 1: make it was. And my dad to this day when

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Speaker 1: you ask him the difference between, you know, a fifty

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Speaker 1: seven Ford and a fifty nine Chevy, well, you know,

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02:00:19,120 --> 02:00:22,920
Speaker 1: the light fixtures and all of that. So all of

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Speaker 1: the innovation that went into the automobile, not only to

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Speaker 1: make it more sleek and sexy and the showroom.

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Speaker 3: Floor for commercial purposes, but.

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Speaker 1: Also the innovation that went into the development and the

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02:00:36,240 --> 02:00:40,480
Speaker 1: mechanics of the automobile were on the ultimate display every

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Speaker 1: May in Indianapolis, Indiana, and you couldn't wait to see

2223
02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:46,720
Speaker 1: what it was that was done in terms of what

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02:00:46,840 --> 02:00:49,440
Speaker 1: did Andy Granted Telly come up with this year? How's

2225
02:00:49,440 --> 02:00:51,640
Speaker 1: the Novae going to run? What's it going to sound like?

2226
02:00:52,640 --> 02:00:55,080
Speaker 1: Is Alfa Romeo going to be competitive with Danny Sullivan?

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02:00:55,200 --> 02:00:57,760
Speaker 1: Can an unseat Holy Cole? Wait till you see what's

2228
02:00:57,760 --> 02:01:00,000
Speaker 1: happening with the Mercedes and what Roger Penske came up with.

2229
02:01:00,640 --> 02:01:03,840
Speaker 1: The Elmore engine this year has a little more horsepower.

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02:01:04,000 --> 02:01:06,160
Speaker 1: The Buick is fast as heck, but it can at

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02:01:06,240 --> 02:01:08,440
Speaker 1: last five hundred miles on and on and on and

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02:01:08,480 --> 02:01:11,280
Speaker 1: on and on, and as we have gotten to the

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02:01:11,320 --> 02:01:16,280
Speaker 1: point now where the speed element of it, there probably

2234
02:01:16,400 --> 02:01:19,920
Speaker 1: is a limit in terms of the G force and

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Speaker 1: everything that goes into the speed of the Indianapolis five

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Speaker 1: hundred and the safety of it, and I don't just

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02:01:27,120 --> 02:01:30,120
Speaker 1: mean the safety for the drivers, but rather for spectators

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02:01:30,120 --> 02:01:33,840
Speaker 1: and everything else. If you've reached that threshold from a

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Speaker 1: speed standpoint, and you can never necessarily get past the

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Speaker 1: ra Lion Dyke fastest lap.

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Speaker 3: Speed, then what do you need.

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Speaker 1: What you need then is at the very least the

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Speaker 1: competition of engine. If the innovation isn't necessarily as important

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02:01:49,640 --> 02:01:52,880
Speaker 1: as prioritized as it once was, at least the competition

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02:01:53,000 --> 02:01:55,919
Speaker 1: of it is what you need. Because we in America

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Speaker 1: love competition and we'd love to see things compete. And

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02:01:59,400 --> 02:02:03,960
Speaker 1: yes been years where you had h engine manufacturer, a

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02:02:04,000 --> 02:02:06,920
Speaker 1: single one, and it was thought by a lot of

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Speaker 1: people that we might be headed back there again because

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Speaker 1: Chevrolet was obviously involved, but then Honda. There were all

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Speaker 1: kinds of rumors that Honda was going to be done

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02:02:18,120 --> 02:02:21,200
Speaker 1: and that Alex Palou has dominated with the Honda engine.

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02:02:21,880 --> 02:02:26,080
Speaker 3: And you know what will happen. Now you've got Honda.

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Speaker 1: That was sitting on the pole and winning the Indy

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Speaker 1: five hundred, winning the points championship. Is Honda then going

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Speaker 1: to use that as their swan song? That's it, Cyan Rscia,

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Speaker 1: thank you, thanks for the memories. And these things are cyclical.

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Speaker 1: But earlier today it was announced that starting next season

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven, Honda, who is still around in an

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Speaker 1: expiring deal right now, and Chevrolet have inked deals with

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Speaker 1: IndyCar to stay as engine manufacturers for that series above

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02:02:54,200 --> 02:02:59,080
Speaker 1: and beyond just the next season. So that means that

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02:02:59,240 --> 02:03:01,840
Speaker 1: now you will continue to have and every year it

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02:03:01,920 --> 02:03:04,040
Speaker 1: changes a little bit. And I know that some of

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02:03:04,040 --> 02:03:06,200
Speaker 1: this is gearhead stuff, but if you're a fan of

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02:03:06,240 --> 02:03:09,800
Speaker 1: sports in Indianapolis, you should embrace the fact that the

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02:03:09,880 --> 02:03:14,440
Speaker 1: sport itself is still having something that brings attention within

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02:03:14,600 --> 02:03:18,040
Speaker 1: that sport to the Indy Car series, which is based

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Speaker 1: here in the Indy five hundred and the things like, Okay,

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02:03:21,600 --> 02:03:24,360
Speaker 1: so Honda might be a little bit faster in the corners,

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02:03:24,360 --> 02:03:27,120
Speaker 1: but Chevrolet has got better breakaway speed. What about the

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02:03:27,120 --> 02:03:30,160
Speaker 1: fuel efficiency? Honda's a little better in between stops. And

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02:03:30,200 --> 02:03:32,520
Speaker 1: these things change year in and year out. But it's

2274
02:03:32,560 --> 02:03:35,160
Speaker 1: that sort of storyline that gives you more to watch

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02:03:35,200 --> 02:03:37,600
Speaker 1: and look for when it comes to the Indy five hundred.

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02:03:37,640 --> 02:03:41,640
Speaker 1: And that's why that story and that news coming out

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02:03:41,680 --> 02:03:43,400
Speaker 1: earlier today was a big deal.

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Speaker 2: Jake, You know how we educate and entertain people.

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Speaker 1: That is correct, Yes, and you finally got the order correct.

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Speaker 1: We educate and entertain.

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02:03:52,000 --> 02:03:55,960
Speaker 2: Okay, you know how we're live, local and late breaking,

2282
02:03:56,040 --> 02:03:56,560
Speaker 2: Yes we are.

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02:03:56,560 --> 02:03:58,400
Speaker 3: Indeed. You know how.

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Speaker 4: The last couple of days, this whole Darren Peterson situation

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02:04:01,840 --> 02:04:03,880
Speaker 4: has been smelly.

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02:04:04,240 --> 02:04:06,160
Speaker 3: In Kansas, with the agent.

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Speaker 1: Allegedly orchestrating whether or not he's going to play and

2288
02:04:10,880 --> 02:04:12,400
Speaker 1: whether he has the fluid, et cetera.

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02:04:12,640 --> 02:04:14,040
Speaker 2: Well, Bill self has had enough.

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02:04:14,480 --> 02:04:17,839
Speaker 4: He has finally spoke out within the last couple hours

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02:04:17,960 --> 02:04:19,120
Speaker 4: about the whole situation.

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02:04:20,080 --> 02:04:22,240
Speaker 1: This is a guy that could be, in fact, one

2293
02:04:22,240 --> 02:04:24,640
Speaker 1: of the players that is within the draft that everyone's

2294
02:04:24,640 --> 02:04:26,480
Speaker 1: shooting for, including Indiana, right.

2295
02:04:26,640 --> 02:04:28,640
Speaker 2: Correct, He specifically he was.

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02:04:28,720 --> 02:04:30,840
Speaker 4: This is a part of a four minute answer about

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02:04:30,840 --> 02:04:34,040
Speaker 4: the entire situation, but I wanted to isolate just this,

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02:04:34,240 --> 02:04:36,800
Speaker 4: like fifty seconds is him talking about just a number

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Speaker 4: of injuries that Peterson's been dealing with.

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Speaker 10: Was his hamstring legit?

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Speaker 6: Hell?

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Speaker 10: Yes, would you a risk injuring it more in November? No?

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02:04:49,760 --> 02:04:51,120
Speaker 10: Was his cramping legit?

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02:04:51,920 --> 02:04:52,200
Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 8: Positively it was. Did he turn his ankle bad to

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Speaker 8: the point where he couldn't practice for nine days and

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Speaker 8: then practice one day and played BYU? Yes, and that

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02:05:07,480 --> 02:05:12,360
Speaker 8: was adrenaline kicking in in the BYU game. And then

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Speaker 8: of all things, he gets sick. And this is what

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Speaker 8: blows my mind. Well, he didn't play because he's sick.

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02:05:19,840 --> 02:05:22,800
Speaker 8: It isn't a big deal. But he didn't play because

2312
02:05:22,800 --> 02:05:25,000
Speaker 8: he was sick. When he didn't play the other games

2313
02:05:25,240 --> 02:05:30,320
Speaker 8: added together, becomes a big deal in people's minds. He's

2314
02:05:30,360 --> 02:05:31,640
Speaker 8: got a string of bad luck.

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Speaker 1: So Bill selves had enough not of the situation, but

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02:05:35,840 --> 02:05:36,760
Speaker 1: of the questioning of it.

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02:05:36,880 --> 02:05:39,400
Speaker 4: He's had enough of all the people on social media

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02:05:40,240 --> 02:05:44,000
Speaker 4: trying to read between the lines and everything like that.

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02:05:44,520 --> 02:05:46,440
Speaker 1: Well, wasn't there a game where his agent went down

2320
02:05:46,440 --> 02:05:48,520
Speaker 1: and said somebody to the coaches and then Peterson played

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Speaker 1: in the.

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Speaker 4: Second half that was the BYU game that he was

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02:05:51,000 --> 02:05:54,520
Speaker 4: referencing where he had the I think it was quad

2324
02:05:54,600 --> 02:05:59,040
Speaker 4: soreness or cramping or something like that, and so the

2325
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Speaker 4: age and if Darren Peterson was communicating with the head

2326
02:06:04,000 --> 02:06:07,840
Speaker 4: athletic trainer and you say the assistant eighty or whatever

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02:06:07,880 --> 02:06:09,280
Speaker 4: of Kansas, I can't even remember.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing though, I'm going to nitpick this even further,

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02:06:14,520 --> 02:06:17,760
Speaker 1: and Tinfoil had it even more of what Bill self

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02:06:17,840 --> 02:06:24,520
Speaker 1: had to say, which I'll do on the other side

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Speaker 3: We'll get into that next.

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Speaker 10: What.

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Speaker 1: So here's my thing with what Bill self had to say,

2338
02:06:37,920 --> 02:06:43,080
Speaker 1: Eddie an open disclaimer. I like Bill Self a lot.

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02:06:43,280 --> 02:06:43,400
Speaker 6: Uh.

2340
02:06:43,640 --> 02:06:45,880
Speaker 1: He was at Illinois when I was in Saint Louis

2341
02:06:45,880 --> 02:06:49,120
Speaker 1: and covered Illinois. Frank Williams was their big star player

2342
02:06:49,160 --> 02:06:56,040
Speaker 1: at the time. And Bill self has this weird skill

2343
02:06:57,240 --> 02:06:59,520
Speaker 1: that he has like a photographic memory when it comes

2344
02:06:59,520 --> 02:07:01,800
Speaker 1: to meeting So if he meets you one time, and

2345
02:07:01,840 --> 02:07:05,200
Speaker 1: you see him, I don't know how many years later,

2346
02:07:05,240 --> 02:07:08,280
Speaker 1: but he literally like, you introduced yourself to him once

2347
02:07:08,320 --> 02:07:10,880
Speaker 1: and you never need to again, and he'll, hey, man,

2348
02:07:10,920 --> 02:07:14,200
Speaker 1: how you doing, Like it's incredible, really nice dude. Always

2349
02:07:14,200 --> 02:07:18,880
Speaker 1: love liked him. An elite level basketball coach. But when

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02:07:18,880 --> 02:07:22,200
Speaker 1: he says those things about Peterson, he almost has to

2351
02:07:23,440 --> 02:07:25,920
Speaker 1: because in the world that we live in now, it's

2352
02:07:25,960 --> 02:07:28,440
Speaker 1: all about and it's always been about the Jimmies and

2353
02:07:28,520 --> 02:07:31,960
Speaker 1: Joe's as much as the x's and o's. And if

2354
02:07:32,000 --> 02:07:35,200
Speaker 1: he has a player that is the presumptive number one

2355
02:07:35,320 --> 02:07:39,400
Speaker 1: or certainly top three draft pick and was a top

2356
02:07:39,440 --> 02:07:43,920
Speaker 1: flight recruit, he can't come out and basically papoo. And

2357
02:07:43,960 --> 02:07:46,839
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that deep down, this is how he feels.

2358
02:07:47,120 --> 02:07:50,920
Speaker 1: But even if he felt like he was getting played

2359
02:07:51,200 --> 02:07:55,480
Speaker 1: or they were giving the player too much control, he

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02:07:55,600 --> 02:07:59,240
Speaker 1: has to be weary of saying that too outwardly because

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Speaker 1: he wants it's the perception that this is a place

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Speaker 1: that you want to come if you want to be

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Speaker 1: able to showcase yourself as a top recruit to go

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Speaker 1: into the NBA, and you want to appear friendly if

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Speaker 1: you will of that process. Now, the other thing that

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Speaker 1: came out in the last I guess over the course

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Speaker 1: of today, the mayor of Hammond is now saying that

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Speaker 1: the Bears. The Bears are basically saying to themselves, why

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Speaker 1: not Indiana?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: And if the Bears approached Hammond about a new stadium,

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Speaker 1: that then becomes weird to me because isn't Portage supposedly

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Speaker 1: the one that's building like some ultraplex. They're interested in

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Speaker 1: building a domed stadium with all kinds of bells and

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Speaker 1: whistles and at I have no idea where the money's

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Speaker 1: going to come from, but they say at no public

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Speaker 1: tax dollars. So now there's Portage, there's Hammond, there's Iowa,

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Speaker 1: all for the Bears to end up staying.

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Speaker 3: In Chicago, which I bet is what happens. J ANDB

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Speaker 3: has arrived.

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Speaker 1: Crossover brought to you by the good guys that love

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Speaker 1: Three one seven, three five three twenty one forty one

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Speaker 1: is the telephone number.

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Speaker 3: By the way, John, Yeah, I have bad news for.

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Speaker 2: You, bad news for me. That's wonderful.

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Speaker 1: I am super stoked for you for April nineteenth. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna go see Thomas Dolby potentially blinded me with science,

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02:09:17,200 --> 02:09:19,400
Speaker 1: but I pulled up a video of him. Yes, in

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Speaker 1: terms of a live show recently.

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Speaker 2: He's not doing it acoustically, is he He it's literally

2392
02:09:24,840 --> 02:09:27,040
Speaker 2: be plugging that crap in or I'm not going.

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Speaker 1: It's him sitting and he looks super cool and he

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02:09:30,400 --> 02:09:34,400
Speaker 1: sounds cool, but it's just him with like a cassio

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Speaker 1: keyboard synthesizer.

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02:09:36,480 --> 02:09:39,160
Speaker 2: At least it's something something's gotta be plugged in.

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Speaker 3: And he like hits a few things.

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Speaker 1: No, I agree, but he hits a few things and

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Speaker 1: he's just kind of like and then he just kind

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02:09:43,680 --> 02:09:46,280
Speaker 1: of talks along to the lyrics if she blied me

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02:09:46,320 --> 02:09:48,080
Speaker 1: with science, and then he hits a button and you

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02:09:48,120 --> 02:09:51,000
Speaker 1: keep hearing the guy going science. I mean, it's kind

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02:09:51,000 --> 02:09:54,360
Speaker 1: of cool, but it like people weren't exactly jumping out

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Speaker 1: of their seats for it.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, what's on the big program.

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Speaker 11: By the way, a multiplex facility and portage?

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Speaker 2: What is that? Like a rallies with a dual driver.

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02:10:03,800 --> 02:10:06,360
Speaker 1: Honestly, yeah, yeah, you know there's one of those, and

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02:10:06,560 --> 02:10:08,280
Speaker 1: I don't know what where it is in the region,

2410
02:10:08,320 --> 02:10:10,160
Speaker 1: but you know there's if you're driving to Chicago.

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02:10:10,400 --> 02:10:11,600
Speaker 3: I think it's in Crown Point.

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Speaker 1: There are two speedway gas stations right across the street

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02:10:14,240 --> 02:10:16,040
Speaker 1: from each other, really literally.

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Speaker 11: Right the arm pit. That's what they do in the

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Speaker 11: arm pit. Can you imagine the Chicago Bears. Let's let's

2416
02:10:21,160 --> 02:10:24,600
Speaker 11: put our team in the arm pit. That's a hell

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Speaker 11: of a plan. There's no way, right, there's zero way, none, none, right,

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02:10:29,640 --> 02:10:31,880
Speaker 11: So unless you want to put it in roselaon with

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02:10:32,040 --> 02:10:32,960
Speaker 11: nudes of popping.

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Speaker 1: There the nudist camp, hi Patial running around, hi Yah Patial,

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Speaker 1: Jeremy prison.

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Speaker 3: Isn't he he could he can he can be there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's uh, he's a clown.

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02:10:42,000 --> 02:10:44,840
Speaker 11: But I I've always uh been in big time love

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Speaker 11: with the Lynn sisters Amber Portia Ginger. Yeah they weren't

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02:10:50,040 --> 02:10:54,960
Speaker 11: really sisters, but Tarah Patrick Patrick.

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Speaker 3: These are all just rumors that we've heard about the

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Speaker 3: John and I.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're a big fan of Christy Canyon was.

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Speaker 3: No, I she was, I mean Christy Canyon. Find sure?

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02:11:05,120 --> 02:11:06,720
Speaker 3: What about Candy Loving?

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Speaker 11: Yeah yeah, oh yeah, that goes way back early seventy,

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Speaker 11: early seventies. And yeah, well and uh so that does

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Speaker 11: that year ears two whenever Eddie says, gets you a time,

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Speaker 11: and does it shut the microphone off for just your

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Speaker 11: ears off?

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Speaker 2: Because James does that. Now I want to beat the

2438
02:11:23,840 --> 02:11:24,960
Speaker 2: crap out of him all the time.

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Speaker 11: Ed It rarely gets in my ear. But yes, that's good. Yeah,

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Speaker 11: I didn't know if it shut the mic off. It

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02:11:31,000 --> 02:11:32,600
Speaker 11: sounds like it said, shuts the mic off. What do

2442
02:11:32,640 --> 02:11:34,880
Speaker 11: you think about Hurley and what he said about Butler?

2443
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Speaker 3: We've been talking about it all day.

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Speaker 1: I think that's when Danny Hurley is speaking the loud

2445
02:11:40,640 --> 02:11:43,520
Speaker 1: part out loud like that, and that when he sounds

2446
02:11:43,520 --> 02:11:45,240
Speaker 1: fed up with the state of college basketball.

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Speaker 3: And that's a guy that turned out the NBA.

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Speaker 11: He's going to the NBA after this year. I would

2449
02:11:48,880 --> 02:11:51,720
Speaker 11: damn straight. That's what you feel so comfortable in saying that,

2450
02:11:51,960 --> 02:11:52,880
Speaker 11: And the.

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Speaker 1: Now we know why, even though we knew it anyway,

2452
02:11:56,600 --> 02:11:58,640
Speaker 1: the Jay Wrights to Tony Bennetts, but these guys are

2453
02:11:58,640 --> 02:11:59,720
Speaker 1: all like, you know what, man.

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Speaker 2: I don't need to mess with this whatsoever.

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Speaker 11: And then I think the other part about it is

2456
02:12:03,640 --> 02:12:05,120
Speaker 11: too And I know it's about money, and I know

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02:12:05,200 --> 02:12:08,800
Speaker 11: Butler doesn't have it or they need more. But I'm

2458
02:12:08,880 --> 02:12:12,920
Speaker 11: not going to just excuse that easily. It's not like

2459
02:12:12,960 --> 02:12:16,040
Speaker 11: the Big East is a juggernaut here everybody. I mean,

2460
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Speaker 11: they're losing to some crap water teams. So I like,

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Speaker 11: I get the whole the whole money thing. But I

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02:12:22,400 --> 02:12:23,960
Speaker 11: mean you could coach them up and maybe they could

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Speaker 11: play a little bit better. Is that okay too?

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Speaker 3: I agree? But yeah, But but here's the other thing. John,

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Speaker 3: When he starts saying.

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Speaker 1: Eight to nine million, I mean, come on, man, how

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02:12:33,480 --> 02:12:35,400
Speaker 1: many schools can afford to pay eight to nine million

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02:12:35,440 --> 02:12:36,600
Speaker 1: per year for a roster?

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Speaker 3: It's insane.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, he's going to the NBA next year. I had

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02:12:40,800 --> 02:12:42,320
Speaker 11: no doubt about that. Hey, by the way, too, with

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Speaker 11: the pacers, I'll bring this up. I'm sorry, No, Yeah,

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Speaker 11: see you cut it off again. I hate that fix that.

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02:12:48,800 --> 02:12:50,360
Speaker 11: James does that all the time, and I think it

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02:12:50,360 --> 02:12:51,240
Speaker 11: cuts my mic off.

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Speaker 3: It did cut your mic off, I think, right.

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Speaker 2: I don't think so. It just cuts it off in

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Speaker 2: my ear. Okay.

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Speaker 3: John said he has one more thing to say about pacers.

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Speaker 1: I'll say, I guess he'll do it at the top

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02:13:01,280 --> 02:13:03,120
Speaker 1: of his program because that's up next.

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Speaker 3: I thank you for listening to a querying company.