1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: a free state, the right of the people to keep 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: in their arms shall not be infringed. This is the 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: Second Amendment, and this is the gun. 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 2: Guy Moon boom boom boom bang bang bang bang mom boom, boom, 6 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 2: boom bang bang bom. 7 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: Guy Ralford on ninety three WYBC. 8 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 3: Wel good afternoon, and welcome to the gun Guys show 9 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 3: here on ninety three WYBC. Or thrill that you're with us. 10 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 3: I got to start the show by giving a shout 11 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 3: out to my Depat University, Tigers participated in the Monon 12 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:47,959 Speaker 3: Bell Game against the evil little Giants of Wabash College. 13 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 3: And this is a rival. It was called the Monon 14 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 3: Bell Game because they play for an old railroad bell 15 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 3: taking off a locomotive that ran on the Monon line 16 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 3: that actually ran but Wan Crawfordsville and Greencastle where the 17 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 3: two universities are located. And today was one hundred and 18 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 3: thirty first meeting of Depawn Wabash. It's one of the 19 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 3: oldest rivalries in the country and DePauw took this one. 20 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 3: It's our fourth in a row forty one to twenty, 21 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 3: so I've played in four of those games. Myself, I 22 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 3: did not go four and oh, I hate to say, 23 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 3: in my four years in fact, I had the miserable 24 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 3: record of h to four. So I'm moving vicariously now 25 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 3: through the current rendition of the Depau Tiger. So congratulations 26 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 3: to those guys and their coaching staff. They're going to 27 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 3: go on to the Division III playoffs now, so I 28 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 3: have to keep an eye on that. But let's get 29 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 3: back to the Second Amendment business at hand, And with 30 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 3: the government shutdown coming to an end here this past Wednesday, 31 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 3: that's nice. You know, we're going to get the air 32 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 3: traffic controllers paid, get our military paid, military and taking 33 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 3: care of those folks has got to be a priority, 34 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 3: of course, and get things a bit back to normal. 35 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 3: I'm not a big fan of the government generally, and 36 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 3: so it's when it's shut down. Other than people who 37 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 3: are still working hard and especially putting themselves in harm's 38 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 3: way for their country, I want to see them compensated. 39 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 3: Beyond that, government shut downs don't particularly bothering me, just 40 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 3: on a policy basis, But my mind immediately turned to okay, 41 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 3: now that Congress is back to functioning at least as 42 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 3: well as Congress is capable of functioning these days. What 43 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 3: should we be expecting to happen or what should we 44 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 3: be pushing to happen on the second Amendment front, And 45 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 3: immediately came to mind, there is national constitutional carry reciprocity. 46 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 3: That is a bill filed this year. It's gotten through 47 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 3: the committee process in the House, and so it is 48 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 3: right for a vote in the House. And now that 49 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 3: Congress is back to work on something other than trying 50 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 3: to pass a spending bill, I think a priority ought 51 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 3: to be getting this passed. Now. Are there enough votes 52 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 3: to get sixty votes in the Senate to get past 53 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 3: the filibuster or to achieve cloture, That's an open question. 54 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 3: There are certainly Democrats in the Senate whose states are 55 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 3: pro two A and who, if they strongly come out 56 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 3: anti TWOA is clearly are clearly going to be jeopardized 57 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 3: potentially in their next election. And so I don't dismiss 58 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 3: the possibility of getting sixty votes in the Senate. And 59 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 3: at a minimum, I would like to see a vote, 60 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 3: and I would like to see a strong push. But 61 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 3: national concealed carry reciprocity, and it's constitutional carry reciprocity is 62 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 3: what we're calling this version of the bill. How is 63 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 3: that different than reciprocity bills that have been introduced in 64 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 3: the past, And what are we even talking about when 65 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 3: we're talking about national reciprocity. Well, today, every state is 66 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 3: required to issue some form of licensed to carry handgun 67 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 3: to their own residence. Here Indiana, we've had one for 68 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 3: years and years. It is called a license to carry handgun. 69 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 3: If you call it something else, like a concealed carry 70 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 3: permit or a CCW or CPL or some other vernacular 71 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 3: that may be used in other states, it's not used here. 72 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 3: Our license is called a licensed to carry handgun and 73 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 3: it allows both open and concealed carry. Yes, we have 74 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 3: constitutional carry. I worked very, very hard for ten years. 75 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 3: One of the reasons I formed the Two Way Project 76 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 3: was to form a grassroots movement to support gun rights 77 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 3: here in Indiana. And there is plenty to do, and 78 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 3: we are busy every year. We're going to be busy 79 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 3: again this legislative session that's coming up. But constitutional carry 80 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 3: was a big focus. So, yes, you can carry a 81 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 3: handgun without a license or a permit here in Indiana 82 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 3: if you're not legally prohibited under state or federal law. 83 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 3: From possessing a gun if you're at least eighteen years old. 84 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 3: That applies to residents and non residents. It applies to 85 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 3: open carry and concealed care. A lot of confusion about 86 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 3: those things, but yes, we have constitutional carry. There is 87 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 3: still a very good reason to get a licensed to 88 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 3: carry handgun. And I cover this in the class that 89 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 3: I teach on Indiana gun laws. But a huge reason. 90 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 3: Did you know that under the Federal Gun Free School 91 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 3: Zones Act, it is illegal to have a gun on 92 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 3: school property. This is the federal law. Now there's also 93 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 3: a state law, and we obviously have to we have 94 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 3: to follow comply with both. But the federal law says 95 00:05:57,839 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 3: you cannot have a gun on school property or within 96 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 3: one thousand feet of school property one thousand feet, but 97 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 3: that it has several exceptions to the federal statute. What 98 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 3: of which is if you're on private property not a 99 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 3: part of the school. Well, that makes sense. If my 100 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 3: house is within a thousand feet of a school, ought 101 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 3: to be able to have a gun in my house. 102 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 3: In fact, I'm sure it would be unconstitutional if the 103 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 3: loss of anything other than that another exception out of 104 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 3: the federal statue. There's no such exception or to the 105 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 3: state statue, so don't get too excited. But ut of 106 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 3: the federal statute, it is an exception to the prohibition 107 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 3: of having a gun in a school zone, which includes 108 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 3: everywhere within a thousand feet of a school, if you 109 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 3: are licensed by the state in which the school is 110 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 3: located to carry a gun. So how many times are 111 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 3: you driving down a public street within a thousand feet 112 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 3: of a school? How many times you walking on a 113 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 3: sidewalk within a thousand feet of a school? Well, if 114 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 3: you're carrying a gun, you're technically violating the Gun Free 115 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 3: School zon Zact the federal statue and looking at ten 116 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 3: years in federal prison unless you're licensed. Unless you have 117 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 3: a license to carry handgun, it does not say it's 118 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 3: an exception if you can lawfully carry a handgun under 119 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 3: the law of the state in which you live. In 120 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 3: other words, it doesn't say constitutional carry applies. You have 121 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 3: to have a license. Is that a huge reason to 122 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 3: have a license in Indiana even though you don't have 123 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 3: to have one otherwise? Hell? Yes, it is. Another is 124 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 3: having a handgun in a state park. You can have 125 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 3: a handgun in a state park as long as you 126 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 3: have a license to carry handgun. There is no provision 127 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 3: for having a gun in a state park in Indiana 128 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 3: under constitutional carry. So if you didn't have a license, 129 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 3: you have a handgun in a state park and you're 130 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 3: carrying you believe lawfully under constitutional carry, DNR can throw 131 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:51,119 Speaker 3: you out because you don't have a license to carry 132 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 3: handun So there's still a good reason to have a 133 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 3: licensed to carry. You get pulled over by the police 134 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:01,679 Speaker 3: with a gun in the car, and the police officer 135 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 3: asked you, is there gun in the car, or you 136 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 3: disclose that there's a gun in the car, or the 137 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 3: officer can see the gun. You've got your hunting rifle. Well, 138 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 3: rifle wouldn't apply. You've got a handgun on your hip 139 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 3: that the officer sees. Says, I can't help, but notice 140 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 3: you've got a handgun. Yes, I do. If you have 141 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 3: your license to carry a handgun, that officer knows immediately 142 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 3: you're legal to have that handgun. If you don't have 143 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 3: a license, that officer may need to take some time 144 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 3: there on the side of the road to see if 145 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 3: he can determine or she can determine whether you're lawful 146 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 3: to carry a gun because you're not prohibited by state 147 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 3: or federal law. That takes a little bit of searching, 148 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 3: a little bit of work on the computer. So ten 149 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 3: minute traffic stop may turn into a thirty minute traffic 150 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 3: stop because you don't have a license. So listen. Constitutional 151 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 3: carry is the law of the state of Indiana, and 152 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 3: I pushed very hard for it, and I'm thrilled that 153 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 3: we have it. And you shouldn't have to go to 154 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 3: the government and ask for permission to exercise or right 155 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 3: that you already have. But there are still good reasons 156 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 3: to have a license. Another is is there are certain 157 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 3: other states that give reciprocity to other states and their 158 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 3: residents to be able to carry within those other states 159 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 3: if you have a license or a permit to carry 160 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 3: a handgun issued by your home state. There are thirty 161 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 3: two states that recognize the Indiana license. Now, the significance 162 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 3: of reciprocity granted by those thirty two states is becoming 163 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 3: less and less every year, because there are soon to 164 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 3: be thirty states that have constitutional carry that not only 165 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 3: applies for the residents of those thirty states, but also 166 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 3: applies to non residents. You do the math, there's really 167 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 3: only two states that don't have constitutional carry, but who 168 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 3: regulate or excuse me, who recognize the Indiana license to 169 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 3: carry but the National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act. Yeah, see, 170 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 3: I came full circle, came back to actually talk about that. 171 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 3: I just had to set the stage. We deal with 172 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 3: as far as we're concerned here in Indiana, we deal 173 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 3: with the other eighteen states where we can't currently carry. 174 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 3: There are eighteen states where we cannot carry, either because 175 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 3: they don't have constitutional carry or because they don't recognize 176 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 3: the Indiana license. National Constitutional Carry Reciprocity. The reason the 177 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 3: word constitutional is in there is because it says if 178 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 3: either you have a license or a permit to carry 179 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 3: a handgun issued by your home state, or your home 180 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 3: state allows the carrying of a handgun without a license. 181 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 3: So that applies to those thirty states that have constitutional carry, 182 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 3: that every other state has to allow you to carry 183 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 3: a handgun in those other states as well. That's why 184 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 3: it's constant institutional carrier reciprocity. It's not just requiring every 185 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 3: state to recognize the licenses of every other state. It's 186 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 3: also to allow those citizens from other states that have 187 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 3: constitutional carry to carry in all fifty states. Now I've 188 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 3: always had a little bit of mixed emotion about national reciprocity, 189 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 3: which I'll go into here after we take a break. 190 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 3: And there's a better way in my mind to fix 191 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 3: the problem. But I'm still excited about the prospect of 192 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 3: this potentially passing for purely selfish reasons, and I have 193 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 3: to recognize a little bit of hypocrisy in the process, 194 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 3: which i'll go into here when we come back. You 195 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 3: want to join the discussion. You have a question or 196 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 3: comment about two A related issues, give us a call. 197 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 3: Three one seven two three nine ninety three ninety three. 198 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 3: That's three one seven two three nine ninety three ninety three. 199 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 3: Give us a call. We'll get you on the air. 200 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 3: It says Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on 201 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 3: ninety three WIBC. 202 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: Second to none on this second amendment. This is the 203 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: Gun Guy with Guy Ralford on ninety three WYBC. 204 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 3: Welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show 205 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,719 Speaker 3: on ninety three WIBC. I'll tell you what. Let's go 206 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 3: to the phone lines and let's see here. Joshua has 207 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 3: called with a question. Joshua, welcome to the Gun Guy Show. 208 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 4: Oh yes, hey, I was just wondering if it is 209 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 4: illegal in the state of Indiana to fire Uh, let's 210 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 4: just say blanks in a parking lot when someone tries 211 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 4: to attack you, or even if it wasn't blinks, But 212 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 4: just wondering if someone physically attacks you on a public 213 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 4: parking lot and you fire a gun in the air, 214 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 4: is that illegal in the state of Indiana. 215 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 3: Well, potentially, And thanks for your question. I have now 216 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 3: represented I think it's six people. I've had six or 217 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 3: clients over the years who got prosecuted for firing warning shots, 218 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 3: and what they're typically prosecuted for is criminal recklessness with 219 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 3: a deadly weapon. And this is where blanks would be 220 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 3: appreciably different than firing live ammo because the reason there 221 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 3: was a criminal recklessness charge in each of those cases 222 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 3: is because authorities took the position that if those rounds 223 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 3: are fired into the air, those bullets have to come 224 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 3: down somewhere, and when they come down, if it's a 225 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 3: populated area and a typical parking lot would fall in 226 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 3: that category, then whoever's underneath those bullets when they come 227 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 3: down is going to be seriously imperiled. Their safety is 228 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 3: going to be jeopardized by you firing the warning shot. 229 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 3: I've had cases where people fired warning shots into the 230 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 3: ground and they were still prosecuted because authorities took the 231 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 3: position that those rounds could have easily ricocheted depending on 232 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 3: the surface that they're being fired into. And obviously a 233 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 3: parking lot that's paved, the asphalt or concrete or whatever 234 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 3: the substrate may be, there could be that allegation. So 235 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 3: warning shots are a bad idea. Warning shots can get 236 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 3: you prosecuted, not dissimilar to people firing shots and aggressive animals. 237 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 3: I represented multiple clients now that shot or shot at 238 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 3: an aggressive dog, and because it was in a residential area, 239 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 3: then authorities took the position, well, you endangered the kids 240 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 3: playing nearby, or the people in their yard across the street, 241 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 3: or the people in their houses behind where it is 242 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 3: you were shooting so, or in the direction you were shooting. 243 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 3: So warning shots are just a bad idea. I don't 244 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 3: believe in warning shots. Notwithstanding what our former president and 245 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 3: vice president said on that subject. You know, go out 246 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 3: in the balcony and fire to blasts in the air. 247 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 3: You remember that idiot giving really idiotic. So, notwithstanding that boneheaded advice, 248 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 3: warning shots are a bad idea, and it's anesthetical in 249 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 3: my mind to the appropriate use of a gun. To me, 250 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 3: a gun is a last resort to use to end 251 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 3: a threat when it's fully justifiable and when it's required 252 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 3: in your scenario to prevent serious bodily injury to you 253 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 3: or a third person. And that's the general self defense 254 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 3: rules serious bodily injury or also to prevent the commission 255 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 3: of a forcible felony. The rules are different. A lot 256 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 3: of people don't seem to understand this, but the rules 257 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 3: are different in your home, and people tend to sort 258 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 3: of blend these together. But the self defense statutes written 259 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 3: in different sections Section C of thirty one Excuse me 260 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 3: thirty five Dash forty one Dash three Dash two. Section 261 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 3: C talks about self defense wherever you might be, including 262 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 3: in public, including being in a parking lot somewhere to 263 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 3: go to your example. Section D, a different section deals 264 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 3: with the rules in your home, which you're different than 265 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 3: being out in public. So, for instance, you don't have 266 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 3: to be stopping a threat. You don't have to be 267 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 3: stopping or preventing serious bodily injury when you're in your home. 268 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 3: And again, I have a lot of people commenting out 269 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 3: there publicly don't understand this. Where was the threat? There 270 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 3: was no threat? Well, a threat's not's is not what 271 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 3: is required in your home? In your home, you can 272 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 3: use reasonable force, including deadly force, to prevent and yes, 273 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 3: the word prevent is in the statue, or terminate an 274 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 3: unlawful entry into or attack on your dwelling. So you 275 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 3: parse all that together. Can you use deadly force to 276 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 3: prevent an unlawful entry? What you reasonably believe? You don't 277 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 3: have to be right, You just have to have a 278 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 3: reasonable belief. If you have a reasonable belief that deadly 279 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 3: force is necessary to prevent an unlawful entry into your home, 280 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 3: can you use deadly force? Yes, it's right in the statue. 281 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 3: Look it up. Don't take my word for it. Thirty 282 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 3: five dash forty one Dash three TSH two Section D. 283 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 3: And there's no requirement of preventing serious bodily injury. There's 284 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 3: no requirement the person be armed. There's no requirements that 285 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,719 Speaker 3: you see a threat to your physical safety. You can 286 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 3: simply defend the sanctity of your home by preventing an 287 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 3: unlawful entry what you reasonably believe to be an unlawful entry. 288 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 3: And so anyway to get back to your real question. 289 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:36,719 Speaker 3: Warning shots are a bad idea. Yes, they can get 290 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 3: you prosecuted. I don't believe in carrying a gun with 291 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,719 Speaker 3: blanks that could easily get you shot when you have 292 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 3: no capacity to return fire with live ammunition. Somebody sees 293 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 3: you with a gun, okay, great, they pull their gun. 294 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 3: They're shooting you with real bullets while you've got a 295 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 3: gun with blanks. Bad idea. Guns are not to bluff, 296 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 3: Guns are not to intimidate, Guns are not to win 297 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 3: an argument, not to be a tough guy. And I'm 298 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 3: not picking on you, Joshua, and I'm not suggesting that 299 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 3: you think any of those things at all, not remotely so. 300 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 3: But to just take your question and expound beyond your question. 301 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 3: Carrying a gun with blanks means you're gonna bluff somebody, 302 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 3: You're gonna intimidate somebody. That's not the purpose of a gun. 303 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 3: It's a tool of last resort to prevent serious body 304 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 3: of the entry to you or another innocent person, or 305 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 3: another scenario, to defend your home. And when you start expanding, 306 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 3: when people start expanding the use of guns beyond that 307 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 3: is when they start having legal problems. I'll tell you 308 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 3: what that was A great question from Joshua, and I 309 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 3: appreciate it. Warning shots are hotly debated, but I'll tell 310 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 3: you what. You google this and you'll find people out 311 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 3: There was just a couple of cases that got a 312 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 3: lot of publicity, I believe in Florida last year, within 313 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 3: the last few months, where people are getting prosecuted for 314 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 3: warning shots. So warning shots bad idea and could easily 315 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 3: get you in jail. And again, now did I lose 316 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 3: any of those cases. No, And they were all pled 317 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 3: down to something incredibly minor, like a disorderly conduct or 318 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 3: they were dismissed, so it was not like those people 319 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 3: went to prison, but they still got arrested, they got prosecuted, 320 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 3: they had to hire a lawyer, they had spend a 321 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 3: bunch of money, had to go to court, and it 322 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 3: disrupted their lives substantially. So not a fan of warning 323 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 3: shots and wouldn't recommend them. And I'm glad we had 324 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 3: the question where at the bottom of the arrowlet's take 325 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 3: another break. Great question from Joshua. Join the discussion. Give 326 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 3: us a call. Three one seven two three nine ninety 327 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 3: three ninety three. That's three one seven ninety three ninety three. 328 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 3: Give us a call. We'll get you into the discussion. 329 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 3: This is Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on 330 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 3: ninety three WIBC. 331 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: The show about gun right, gun safety, and responsible gun ownership. 332 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: This is the Gun Guy with Guy Ralford on ninety 333 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: three WYPC. 334 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 3: And welcome back to the Gun Guy Show here in 335 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 3: ninety three WIBC. So, I was talking about concealed carry 336 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 3: constitutional carry reciprocity and the fact that we may here 337 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 3: coming up get a vote in the House, and I 338 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 3: also admitted to a little bit of hypocrisy when it 339 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 3: comes to that bill, because listen, I've always been a 340 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 3: small government guy. I've always been a limited federal government guide. 341 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 3: At any time the federal government's trying to expand its powers, 342 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 3: that's generally a bad thing. So what is national concealed 343 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 3: carry or constitutional concealed carry reciprocity. Well, it's the federal 344 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 3: government telling the states what they have to do. And 345 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 3: generally speaking, there's an argument to be said that's a 346 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 3: little inconsistent with the tenth Amendment. But that's where the 347 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 3: fourteenth Amendment comes in. And this is an important argument. 348 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 3: And I've even changed my view on this a bit 349 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 3: after recent discussions with other attorneys who have a focus 350 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 3: on constitutional rights, because one of the things the Fourteenth 351 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 3: Amendment made clear was that one thing it is appropriate 352 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 3: for the federal government to do is to dictate to 353 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 3: the states that they must in fact honor, respect, and 354 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 3: not violate the civil rights protected in the Bill of 355 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 3: Rights or anywhere else in the Constitution, including those rights 356 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 3: like the right to do process and the right the 357 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 3: rights protected in the federal government as applicable to the states. 358 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 3: The federal government can in fact dictate to the states 359 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 3: to do the right thing and follow the damned Constitution. 360 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 3: And in my mind, that's exactly what national constitutional concealed 361 00:21:56,119 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 3: carry reciprocity would be. It would be telling each state, 362 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 3: including those eighteen states that currently refuse to honor the 363 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 3: Indianna licensed to carry handgun, to where I cannot legally 364 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 3: carry my handgun in those states. It's telling them, no, 365 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 3: the Second Amendment doesn't have geographic boundaries. There's no reason 366 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 3: why I have a right to bear arms up and 367 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 3: to an including driving through tera Hoad, but the second 368 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 3: is across the state line into Illinois, that right disappears. 369 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 3: What other civil right do we treat that way? Even 370 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 3: in the old Bergerfeldt decision that said that every state 371 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 3: has to issue marriage licenses to same sex couples. You think, wow, 372 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 3: what the hell does that have to do is Second 373 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 3: Amendment rights? Well, actually, the concept espoused in that decision. 374 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 3: It said not only that marriage is a right that 375 00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 3: does extend to same sex couples, and the Supreme Court 376 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 3: had to get a little creative and creating a right 377 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 3: to marry out of the constitution. But okay, I'm okay 378 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,239 Speaker 3: with that. I don't think the government should necessarily be 379 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 3: involved in the decision of people to get married. But okay. 380 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 3: But they went on to say that if a state 381 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 3: issues a marriage license to a couple, every other state 382 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 3: has to recognize that marriage license. And I said, it 383 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 3: would be ridiculous if you were married in one state 384 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 3: and simply crossed into another state that didn't recognize your 385 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 3: marriage license and suddenly we're no longer married. Well, how 386 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 3: is that logic any different there from the Supreme Court 387 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 3: in that obergerfeld decision. If my marriage should be valid 388 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 3: not only in the state that issued my marriage license, 389 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 3: but in every other state, why is my license to 390 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 3: carry not treated with the same respect. Because, oh, by 391 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 3: the way, the Supreme Court, and getting a little creative, 392 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 3: came up with a right to marry and the Constitution. 393 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 3: But it sure as hell not the bill rights like 394 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 3: the Second Amendment is that's called out specifically. If I 395 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 3: have a specifically enumerated right, the right to keep in 396 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 3: bare arms and bear meats, carry and by definition a 397 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 3: right guaranteed to me by the US Constitution, how does 398 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 3: that constitutional right end when I cross the line into Illinois? 399 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 3: How does that work? And the justification for that historically 400 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 3: has been, well, every state, you know, has an inherent 401 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 3: right to pass its own safety regulations, and if they 402 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 3: don't like the requirements it takes to get a license 403 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 3: in some other state, they don't have to respect and 404 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 3: honor that license within their boundaries. Well, okay, but they're 405 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 3: basically telling me that I can't exercise a constitutionally protected right. 406 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 3: I can't square that. That's completely inconsistent to me. So 407 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 3: to me, even though yes it's big brother in the 408 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 3: form of the federal government telling the states what to do, 409 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,199 Speaker 3: is completely consistent with the Fourteenth Amendment that says the 410 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 3: federal government can tell the states to honor constitutional rights, 411 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 3: and in this case, it's the Second Amendment right, so 412 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 3: I'm okay with it. I would like it even better 413 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 3: if we had an equivalent of the Obergafel decision on 414 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 3: same sex marriage, if we had exactly the same decision 415 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 3: that came out of the Supreme Court as to licenses 416 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 3: to carry under the Second Amendment. The logic of Obergefell 417 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 3: applies perfectly to a concealed carry case or a license 418 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 3: to carry case, and I would love to see I 419 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 3: would love to the Supreme Court to do it rather 420 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 3: than the Congress to do it, because what Congress giveth, 421 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 3: Congress can taketh away. I like to have a constitutional 422 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 3: amendment in the form of the Second Amendment enforced by 423 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 3: the Supreme Court to be the basis of that decision. 424 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 3: That would make me happy. But in the meantime, if 425 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 3: and when Congress gets back to its normal business, I 426 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 3: truly hope that the National Reciprocity Bill is something they 427 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 3: take up, pass on to the Senate, and then we 428 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 3: start working on getting sixty votes in the Senate. I 429 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 3: would like to see this done in my lifetime. Constitutional 430 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 3: carry here in Indiana was a huge priority, and I 431 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 3: think national reciprocity is a similar priority. On a national level. 432 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 3: Let's move on a little bit. I read and I 433 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 3: talked about this just briefly with Hammer and Nigel on 434 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 3: Monday Gundeck this past week. But I saw figures that 435 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 3: came out from NSSF. That's the National Shooting Sports Foundation, 436 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 3: that is the industry trade group representing the firearms industry, 437 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 3: including ranges, gun shops, gun manufacturers, et cetera. It's funny, 438 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 3: you know, the anti gun people are always wanting to 439 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 3: criticize NRAs. Oh, it's just a mouthpiece for the gun industry. No, 440 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 3: it's not. In NRA is grassroots. NSSF is the mouthpiece 441 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 3: for the firearms industry, and they do great work, and 442 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 3: they do a lot of safety oriented work. You know, 443 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 3: the free locks that you see distributed as part of 444 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 3: gun sales, A lot that whole program was started by NSSF, 445 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 3: and they supplied a ton of those locks at in 446 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 3: the early stages of that program, before the manufacturer started 447 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 3: doing it as well. But NSF does some great work. 448 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 3: They came out with some numbers that I thought were interesting, 449 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 3: which were in October. So just this past month, there 450 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 3: were something like one point three million background checks for 451 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 3: the purchase of a new gun and I thought that 452 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 3: was interesting because those numbers are comparable, very close to 453 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 3: record numbers that were set when people were concerned that 454 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 3: Hillary Clinton was going to become president, and then later 455 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 3: when people were concerned that Joe Biden was going to 456 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 3: become president. But these happened in October of twenty twenty five, 457 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 3: only one year into the Trump presidency. So you can 458 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 3: understand why if somebody's worried about a Hillary Clinton presidency, 459 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 3: which would have just been death for the Second Amendment. 460 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 3: The three justices through the Supreme Court that Donald Trump 461 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 3: nominated and then we're confirmed all strong on Second Amendment. 462 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 3: You imagine if Hillary Clinton had a point of those 463 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 3: three justices, where we'd be on the Second Amendment right now. 464 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 3: I shuddered to think that would have been absolute disaster, 465 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 3: absolute disaster, if she had the ability to nominate those 466 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 3: justices and if there were the votes in the Senate 467 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 3: to get them through. So people were concerned obviously at 468 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 3: the time, and bought a whole bunch of guns, But 469 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 3: a similar number of guns were sold October of twenty 470 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 3: twenty five. We got three more years of a Trump presidency. 471 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 3: Why were so many guns sold just last month that's 472 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 3: what I'll go into. If you have a theory that yourself, 473 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 3: give us a call, or if you have any other 474 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 3: questions to a related issues, give us a call. Join 475 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 3: the discussion. Three one seven two three nine ninety three, 476 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 3: ninety three. Right now, we're going to take a break, 477 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 3: but give us a call. Three one seven, ninety three, 478 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 3: ninety three. This is Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy 479 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 3: Show on ninety three WIBC. 480 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: Your Rights, your responsibilities, your guns. This is the Gun 481 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: Guy with Guy Ralford on ninety three WIBC. 482 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 3: And welcome back on Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy 483 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 3: Show on ninety three WIBC. So one point three million 484 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 3: applications for new gun sales, and that doesn't necessarily mean 485 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 3: those are new gun owners. This could be somebody going 486 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 3: back and buying their forty third gun. So you don't 487 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 3: quite know how many new gun owners there are, but 488 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 3: it's a it's a big number for monthly sales. And 489 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 3: question because why is that when it's not an election year. 490 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, we got midterms coming up next year. 491 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 3: You could see a difference in particularly in the House 492 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 3: of Representatives. Potentially there's some risk that Republicans will lose 493 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 3: control but trumpets to be in the White House, and 494 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 3: and a shift in Congress, well incredibly significant, wouldn't be 495 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 3: as scary as what would have happened had Hillary been elected, 496 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 3: for instance, particularly if Republicans also lost control in both 497 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 3: the Senate and the House. And so what's the explanation 498 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 3: for a large number of gun sales? Well, I don't know, 499 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 3: and this is this is going to be speculation on 500 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 3: my part. But one thing that occurred to me is 501 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 3: that I harkened back to a poll that I just 502 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 3: saw recently. In fact, I'm i mentioned this I think 503 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 3: also on Hammer and Nigel, and that is an incredibly 504 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 3: large number. This is a New York Post poll and 505 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 3: I saw an article that came out on November third, 506 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 3: So you google this, you can find it. And it 507 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 3: said that today thirty three percent of young Americans believe 508 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 3: political violence can be justified in certain cases. Political violence 509 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 3: can be justified in certain cases. And this is this 510 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 3: is a poll taken since the assassination of Charlie Kirk. 511 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 3: It's a poll taken since the two assassination attempts on 512 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 3: President Trump. And you've got a third of people what 513 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 3: they call young Americans. I'm not sure what particularly demographic 514 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 3: is involved. There are saying, well, that's okay in some cases, 515 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 3: and that's completely consistent with what we see out there 516 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 3: on social media in terms of people not just okay 517 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 3: with or excusing, for instance, the assassination of Charlie Kirk, 518 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 3: but celebrating it, overtly celebrate, proud to celebrate it, crowing 519 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 3: about it on social media. And when the rest of 520 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 3: us see those things and we see what appeared to 521 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 3: be a continuing call for violence from a very large 522 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 3: segment of society, it's invariably coming from the left. You 523 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 3: can certainly see something from the other side as well. 524 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 3: But where you see that many more people talking about violence, 525 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 3: and where we see extreme examples of that, like an 526 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 3: assassination of someone like Charlie Kirk, it makes a lot 527 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 3: of people say, wow, you know, is there a potential 528 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 3: for me to get caught up in the middle of that. 529 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 3: And that's something that's a little different than you know, 530 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 3: typical street crime. I mean, to break in in your house, 531 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 3: something a lot of people want to be prepared for. 532 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 3: Obviously a carjacking, street crime, there are any number of 533 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 3: other instances when you want to be able to defend 534 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 3: yourself being out in public, and like the hero Eli 535 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 3: Dicken that I represented, who stopped a mass shooting in 536 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 3: the Greenwood Park Mall, you know a lot of people say, hey, 537 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 3: I don't expect to be caught up in an event 538 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 3: like that in my lifetime, but I want to be 539 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 3: prepared to defend myself in others if it happens. And 540 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 3: thank god Elili was prepared and capable and equipped to 541 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,719 Speaker 3: save all those lives in the Greenwood Park Mall in 542 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 3: twenty twenty two. But I think what's impacting a lot 543 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 3: of people because I think it may it may have 544 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 3: been more subconscious even until I read about that poll. 545 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 3: Is it even affected me to some degree? I just 546 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 3: see more and more calls for violence and more more 547 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 3: and more people obviously okay with violence, more and more 548 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 3: people celebrating violence, an awful lot of those people celebrating violence, calling. 549 00:33:58,840 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 4: For more. 550 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 3: And believing it's okay to be violent and to even 551 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 3: murder those people they simply disagree with. Politically, I guarantee 552 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 3: an awful lot of those people who are totally comfortable 553 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 3: with violence in that scenario disagree with me. And it 554 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 3: is ironic that there are people out there and this 555 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 3: has certainly happened to me in the past. I've had 556 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,359 Speaker 3: two bomb threats, now bomb scares at my office where 557 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:32,240 Speaker 3: poor Carmel Fire Department and police department have had to respond, 558 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 3: where somebody's calling it a bomb threat to my office. 559 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 3: And you know, there have been other threats of violence 560 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 3: out of which I take seriously, and I think it's 561 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 3: all cowards behind phones. But it's a little bit ironic. 562 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 3: People are threatening violence against me when they're upset that 563 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 3: I advocate for Second Amendment rights. I really hate that 564 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 3: you advocate for Second Amendment rights. Someone should shoot you. 565 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. There's a little bit of irony in that, 566 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 3: if not a hypocrisy as well. But in all seriousness, 567 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 3: when you see those things, there's a little part of 568 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 3: you that says, you know what, society in general, today's 569 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 3: American culture in general seems to be more violent and 570 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 3: more violent, not just with the street criminals and the 571 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 3: thugs and the rapists and the gang bangers and those 572 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 3: people we've always had to worry about, but now people 573 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 3: that are kind with their own political agenda think it's 574 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 3: okay to be violent as well, and so many of 575 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 3: us are going to look at that and say, you 576 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 3: know what, I want to be able to defend myself. 577 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,760 Speaker 3: I wanted to be able to defend myself, my family 578 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 3: and my home. Do I think that's contributing to a 579 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 3: great big number in a off political year. I think 580 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 3: that's some informed speculation. That's exactly what it is. Tell 581 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 3: it right now, we're coming up on the top of 582 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,879 Speaker 3: the hour, so we're taking a break. I'll be back 583 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 3: with you for hour number two here in just a bit. 584 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 3: This is Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on 585 00:35:58,800 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 3: ninety three WYBC. 586 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 1: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of 587 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,919 Speaker 1: a free state, the right of the people to keep 588 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 1: in their arms shall not be infringed. This is the 589 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: Second Amendment, and this is the Gun Guy. 590 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 2: Boom boom boom boom bang bang bang bang boom, boom, boom, boom, 591 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 2: bang bang boom, Guy Ralphord on ninety three WYBC. 592 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 3: Welcome back to our number two with the Gun Guys 593 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 3: Show here in ninety three WYBC. I'll tell you if 594 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:47,760 Speaker 3: if you don't adequately feel gratitude for having a Second 595 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 3: Amendment in this country and for having national organizations like 596 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 3: the Second Amendment Foundation and NRA and Gun Owners of 597 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 3: America and Freedom Policy Coalition who are out there fighting 598 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,320 Speaker 3: in the courtrooms and here locally, the two A project 599 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,919 Speaker 3: that are fighting in the legislature for your Second Amendment rights. 600 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 3: If you ever want to feel a little more gratitude 601 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 3: toward what we have here in Indiana when it comes 602 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 3: to gun rights, man, take a look at what's going 603 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,320 Speaker 3: on just over the border to the north in Canada, 604 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 3: and it just shows you what a slippery slope really 605 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 3: looks like when it comes to gun rights when you 606 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 3: don't have the constitutional protections that we have here in 607 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 3: the United States. And that's exactly what the pro gun 608 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,799 Speaker 3: lobby has been warning of here in the US, that 609 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 3: it's a slippery slope. And folks that say, oh, well, 610 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 3: we just want to require a registration of these evil 611 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 3: so called assault weapons, and then well, we just want 612 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,240 Speaker 3: to buy back some of the worst kinds of weapons, 613 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 3: and then oh well, we just want to require a 614 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 3: license to be able to purchase a gun and or 615 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 3: to have a gun in your home, any kind of gun, 616 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,400 Speaker 3: and and we just want common sense gun regulation. And 617 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 3: nobody wants to infringe on any rights, and nobody wants 618 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 3: to come take your guns and nobody wants to confiscate. 619 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 3: I mean all the denials and all the characterizations of 620 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 3: this just reasonable, common sense restrictions on Second Amendment rights 621 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 3: for this for the sake of safety and public safety 622 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 3: and for the safety of the children. I mean, all 623 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 3: the protestations and all the excuses and rationalizations that we hear, 624 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 3: it's really a very obvious attempt for things to just 625 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,879 Speaker 3: ratchet in one direction and for them to get any 626 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 3: victory they can to restrict rights in any way they 627 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 3: can and then go on to the next battle and 628 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 3: try to get the next restriction. And but for the 629 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 3: Second Amendment, and but for the kind of strong advocacy 630 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 3: groups that we have out there fighting for you and 631 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,720 Speaker 3: I as the individual gun owner, things could be dramatically different. 632 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 3: And that's exactly what's going on in Canada. Canada. Do 633 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:28,440 Speaker 3: they start banning guns, Yes, they start restricting. They started 634 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 3: with registration of so called assault weapons, and then they 635 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 3: prevented the further sale or importation. And now they've announced 636 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 3: an actual buy back program, a mandatory buy back program 637 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 3: for so called assault weapons, and they're just figuring out 638 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 3: how to implement it. And this is mandatory buy back, 639 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 3: what's that mean, what's mandatory if I back that is 640 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 3: a euphemism for confiscation. Yeah, there may be a government 641 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:12,320 Speaker 3: check involved for who knows how much money. I think 642 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,919 Speaker 3: the government came and wanted to hand me a check 643 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,839 Speaker 3: for each one of my rifles that they would call 644 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 3: on a sault weapon. Do I think I'd get anywhere 645 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,439 Speaker 3: close to I have invested in those rifles. I'm sure 646 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,399 Speaker 3: I would not. I'm gonna say, you spend how much 647 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,719 Speaker 3: on that optic, you spend how much to sbr that 648 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 3: to put a suppressor on it? But it's confiscation, and 649 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 3: it's really pretty amazing to me, and it's really worth 650 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 3: spending a little time on the computer and look at 651 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,879 Speaker 3: exactly what's going on in Australia, look at what's going 652 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 3: on in Canada, Look what has gone on for generation 653 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 3: now in the UK. That's what happens when we don't 654 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,319 Speaker 3: have a Second Amendment. I mentioned it only because it 655 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,799 Speaker 3: makes me grateful for what we do have here in 656 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,880 Speaker 3: the United States, in the form of the Second Amendment, 657 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 3: Article one, section thirty two of the Indiana Constitution, which 658 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,439 Speaker 3: guarantees the right of the people to keep in bare 659 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,879 Speaker 3: arms and for advocacy groups again here locally the two 660 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:17,239 Speaker 3: A project Nationally Firearms Policy Coalition, which is not to 661 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 3: be confused with Indiana Firearms Coalition Indiana Firearms Coalition. Let 662 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 3: me just throw a little warning out there, that's the 663 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 3: door brothers. They are scam artists. I've never seen them 664 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 3: in the legislature, not once ever. They want to take 665 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 3: credit for things they have nothing to do with. They 666 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:38,720 Speaker 3: want to blame true pro To eight legislators for anything 667 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 3: that they don't like, and they haven't seen accomplished yet. 668 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,279 Speaker 3: They call everybody rhinos and sellouts, and it's all just 669 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,680 Speaker 3: for fundraising. They don't actually do anything. I've been going 670 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,520 Speaker 3: over to the state House. I've spent hundreds of hours 671 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,000 Speaker 3: in the state House fighting for Second Amendment rights for Hoosiers. 672 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,840 Speaker 3: I've written bills a dozen now that have passed that 673 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,319 Speaker 3: are part of Indiana law that promote and protect Second 674 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 3: Amendment rights. And I've never seen these people in the 675 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 3: state House. So the National Group Firearms Firearms Policy Coalition FPC, 676 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 3: Great Solid Indiana Firearms Coalition scam artists, scam artists, scam artists. 677 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,920 Speaker 3: Do not give them your money, do not give them 678 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,399 Speaker 3: your time a day. But we have strong organizations Gun 679 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,000 Speaker 3: Owners of America's Second Amendment Foundation NRA, and the NRA 680 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:33,440 Speaker 3: is coming back NRA with a new set of leadership, 681 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,360 Speaker 3: new board of directors. We've got three Hoosiers now on 682 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 3: the board of directors of NRA. They're helping turn that 683 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 3: organization around. But we've got strong advocacy groups, and we've 684 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,279 Speaker 3: got the Second Amendment. We've got Article one, Section thirty two. 685 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,279 Speaker 3: And if you ever feel the need to just be 686 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,480 Speaker 3: a bit thankful for what we do have, we get 687 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,400 Speaker 3: frustrated things don't happen as fast as we'd like. Should 688 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 3: we have national reciprocity, Yes, Should we have a Supreme 689 00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,160 Speaker 3: Court ruling protecting things like are some of the automatic 690 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 3: rifles that are getting banned in some states, including right 691 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 3: next door in Illinois. Yeah, we should have more protections 692 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,480 Speaker 3: than we currently have. But man, we've got a lot 693 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,960 Speaker 3: of people out there fighting, fighting for us, and we've 694 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,200 Speaker 3: got the Second Amendment to rely on, and I just 695 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 3: want to reinforce it. Sometimes we shouldn't take for granted 696 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,920 Speaker 3: what we really do have here in terms of gun rights. 697 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:24,920 Speaker 3: I'll tell it. We've had Terry call in, and Terry, 698 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,239 Speaker 3: I believe has a question. So Terry, Welcome to the 699 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:27,839 Speaker 3: Gun Guy Show. 700 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,880 Speaker 5: Hey, guy man, I want to tell you I'm a 701 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,440 Speaker 5: longtime a listener. I love your show, listening every weekend 702 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 5: when I can. I'm a little off topic, and I 703 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,800 Speaker 5: apologize for this, and you may have covered this before, 704 00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,360 Speaker 5: but I have a question. I live in a rural 705 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 5: Tip and Canoe County, and I shoot a lot in 706 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:54,280 Speaker 5: my woods in my backyard, and I always have wondered 707 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:59,360 Speaker 5: about like regulations and laws on burms and the safety 708 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,440 Speaker 5: is of doing this in the rural areas. I remember 709 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,240 Speaker 5: a few years ago some guys got into trouble shooting 710 00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:10,920 Speaker 5: in Boone County, as I recall, because it wasn't safe 711 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,120 Speaker 5: and stuff ricochet and that sort of thing. Is that 712 00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,960 Speaker 5: a county to county restriction or are there any like 713 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,279 Speaker 5: strict laws as to how you can shoot safely in 714 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:22,760 Speaker 5: rural areas? 715 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,400 Speaker 3: Yeah? No, generally speaking, Terry and Drew, it's a great question. 716 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 3: Generally speaking, there can be some local restrictions, but they're 717 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,759 Speaker 3: limited on what they can pass locally. Because of the 718 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:39,319 Speaker 3: Firearms Preemption Act, we have limits what local governments can 719 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,680 Speaker 3: do at the city and county level to restrict the 720 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:47,879 Speaker 3: use of firearms. So they're they're pretty limited, but there 721 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:52,680 Speaker 3: can be some some local regulations. Sometimes local county commissioners 722 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,320 Speaker 3: or city councils, town councils try to pass some ordinates 723 00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,040 Speaker 3: that we have to go in and fight, and we've 724 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 3: done that around this date, but it can be a 725 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 3: little bit local. So it is worth checking, for the 726 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,120 Speaker 3: most part, if it's your own property and if you 727 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,160 Speaker 3: are are taking care to not let any projectiles leave 728 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:15,080 Speaker 3: the property. I mean, that's the biggest thing. And I've 729 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:19,160 Speaker 3: represented right now, I'm representing multiple clients, gosh, four or 730 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,880 Speaker 3: five right now that are being prosecuted because they were 731 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:26,560 Speaker 3: shooting on their own property, but authorities are alleging that 732 00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,240 Speaker 3: rounds left their property, you know, hit a neighbor's house 733 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,360 Speaker 3: or otherwise left the property and endangered other people. And 734 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,400 Speaker 3: they're getting prosecuted for criminal recklessness with a deadly weapon. 735 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,640 Speaker 3: And that's a big deal. And then we're into the 736 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,759 Speaker 3: whole forensic analysis trying to prove scientifically that those rounds 737 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,480 Speaker 3: didn't come from those people's rifles or it was physically 738 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:52,279 Speaker 3: impossible for those rounds to have reached those locations. And 739 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,000 Speaker 3: that's just a process. You don't want to get caught 740 00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,439 Speaker 3: up in But if you're essentially for the most part, 741 00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,960 Speaker 3: if you're in the country, you're outside any city limits, 742 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,520 Speaker 3: you're on your own property, and you're taking care to 743 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,359 Speaker 3: make sure no rounds are leaving your property. You can 744 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,239 Speaker 3: shoot on your own property if if you want to. 745 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,120 Speaker 3: And in fact, there are even some zoning decisions out 746 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,480 Speaker 3: there where local zoning boards said, hey, wait a minute, 747 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,520 Speaker 3: if you're on your property that's zoned residential or zoned agricultural, 748 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,640 Speaker 3: and you built a house on it, and people try 749 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,719 Speaker 3: to the local the county, for instance, the zoning board 750 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 3: tries to stop you from shooting because you're not zoned 751 00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,000 Speaker 3: for a shooting range quote unquote. There are a couple 752 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,200 Speaker 3: of Court of Appeals decisions from Indiana that say, hold 753 00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,960 Speaker 3: on if it's zoned for residential. One of the one 754 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,960 Speaker 3: of the reasons some people like living in the country 755 00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,719 Speaker 3: is so they can shoot on their own property. They 756 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,680 Speaker 3: can target shoot, they can hunt, and and it's a 757 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:46,279 Speaker 3: normal and incidental, uh secondary use of residential property or 758 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,680 Speaker 3: agricultural property to shoot on your own damn property. And 759 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,319 Speaker 3: and and the local zoning board for instance, can't come 760 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,279 Speaker 3: after you. Say in you're you're you've got you set 761 00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,280 Speaker 3: up a quote unquote shooting range on your own property, 762 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,920 Speaker 3: or you use your property as shooting and it's not 763 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:05,080 Speaker 3: zoned for that, so you can't engage in that activity 764 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,200 Speaker 3: on your own property. And and those that's been stricken down. 765 00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,720 Speaker 3: And so for the most part, the laws on your side. 766 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,360 Speaker 3: I would see if if you can check the local 767 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,759 Speaker 3: ordinances just to make sure that there's not something out 768 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,760 Speaker 3: there they've passed trying to restrict you. But the biggest 769 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:24,600 Speaker 3: issue is just making absolutely sure whether it's a burm, 770 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,960 Speaker 3: whether it's you know, shooting down from an elevated position 771 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,520 Speaker 3: down you know, into a valley or a goalie or 772 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,440 Speaker 3: a ditch or whatever it might be, that there's no 773 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,440 Speaker 3: physical way for rounds to leave the property, because that's 774 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,759 Speaker 3: where people get in a lot of trouble. But it's 775 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,520 Speaker 3: a great question, Terry, and we're glad you called and 776 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:45,640 Speaker 3: glad you asked it. Be like Terry joined the discussion. 777 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,560 Speaker 3: Give us a call. Three one seven two ninety three, 778 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,440 Speaker 3: ninety three. Right now we're taking a break. This Guy 779 00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,040 Speaker 3: Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WYBC. 780 00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:00,880 Speaker 1: Now you've got a gun guy, Guy Ralford on ninety 781 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,560 Speaker 1: three w YBC. 782 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,960 Speaker 3: And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on the Gun Guy 783 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:11,000 Speaker 3: Show on ninety three w IBC. Just had somebody send 784 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:19,480 Speaker 3: me a link that is talking about national concealed constitutional 785 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:24,240 Speaker 3: carry reciprocity, and it was a link to an article 786 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,840 Speaker 3: discussing the fact that the Gifford Center, and you remember 787 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:33,799 Speaker 3: former representative against Gabby Gifford's was the victim of an 788 00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:38,840 Speaker 3: assassination attempt. I believe in Arizona. She was horribly injured 789 00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:44,880 Speaker 3: in a shooting and has largely recovered. I think she 790 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,040 Speaker 3: still has some effects that she has to battle through, 791 00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:54,560 Speaker 3: and so I mean, everybody involved, you know, praying for 792 00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:59,360 Speaker 3: her recovery. But as soon as she became active again, 793 00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,960 Speaker 3: she decided that and and I could certainly rationalize this 794 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,280 Speaker 3: having been a victim of a horrific shooting and receiving 795 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,279 Speaker 3: a very bad entry shew me sladery shot in the head, 796 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,640 Speaker 3: as well as other places, as I recall, she then 797 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:18,160 Speaker 3: formed a gun control group they call the Giffert Center, 798 00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,759 Speaker 3: and they're very active. They're out there with you know, 799 00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,759 Speaker 3: Mom's Demand Action and every Town for Gun Safety and 800 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:30,440 Speaker 3: Mayor's Against the Illegal Guns and the other Bloomberg groups. 801 00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,600 Speaker 3: But she's shouldered to shoulder with them and trying to 802 00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:37,160 Speaker 3: restrict gun rights. And one thing that the Gifford's Center 803 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,719 Speaker 3: they're trying to do, and which I've never really understood, 804 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,280 Speaker 3: is trying to restrict law abiding citizens from carrying guns. 805 00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,240 Speaker 3: And they've been out there, like Mom's Demand Action, fighting 806 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:53,240 Speaker 3: for more and more restrictions on who and where people 807 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,080 Speaker 3: can carry guns. And the only somebody sent me was 808 00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:01,080 Speaker 3: from Bearing Arms. And it's a it's a good website. 809 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,759 Speaker 3: It's something I keep an eye on. They have a 810 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,400 Speaker 3: lot of good articles things going on in other states, 811 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,360 Speaker 3: other locations, but this article is somebody was at the 812 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:13,719 Speaker 3: Giffert Center put out some data now that national concealed 813 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,920 Speaker 3: constitutional carry reciprocity may get some action in Congress. They 814 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:23,040 Speaker 3: put out a bunch of old information from twenty eighteen, 815 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:27,279 Speaker 3: last time Congress was looking at national reciprocity. There were 816 00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,239 Speaker 3: some polls conducted specifically with law enforcement to see what 817 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,200 Speaker 3: law enforcement had to say about whether we should have 818 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,640 Speaker 3: national reciprocity. And they went to a lot of elected 819 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,880 Speaker 3: or appointed police chiefs in big cities and some other 820 00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:50,640 Speaker 3: I would call bureaucrats in law enforcement, and took somewhat 821 00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,400 Speaker 3: of a poll, I'm sure with their thumb on the 822 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:56,440 Speaker 3: scale of how cops feel about national reciprocity. And I 823 00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,600 Speaker 3: had some deja vous looking at this article during the 824 00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,680 Speaker 3: break just now. It reminded me a lot of what 825 00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:07,160 Speaker 3: we went through with constitutional carry, because if you recall 826 00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,399 Speaker 3: the people who opposed constitutional carr here in Indiana, they 827 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,719 Speaker 3: came out and said, and a lot of the politicians 828 00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,200 Speaker 3: who opposed us on this, even some quote unquote Republicans 829 00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,760 Speaker 3: like Liz Brown, chairman of the Judiciary Committee in the Senate, 830 00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,960 Speaker 3: oh well, I'm only opposing this because law enforcement opposes it. 831 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,759 Speaker 3: And the argument, just like Gifford is making here for 832 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,680 Speaker 3: national reciprocity, is that law enforcement is some monolithic group 833 00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,160 Speaker 3: that is universal in their opinion, and they all oppose 834 00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,359 Speaker 3: in this case, constitutional carry reciprocity or in our case, 835 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,719 Speaker 3: constitutional carry here in Indiana. And let me tell you, 836 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,800 Speaker 3: it's always a scam. It's a scam when the Gifford 837 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,680 Speaker 3: Center is doing it now. It was a scam when 838 00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,040 Speaker 3: Gifford Center did it eight years ago, and it was 839 00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,720 Speaker 3: a scam when people were relying on law enforcement opposition 840 00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,480 Speaker 3: quote unquote to oppose constitutional carry because it depends on 841 00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,320 Speaker 3: who you are. For instance, when we had a hearing 842 00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:07,240 Speaker 3: in the Public Policy Committee in the House in twenty 843 00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,920 Speaker 3: twenty two, when we finally got constitutional carry passed, we 844 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,320 Speaker 3: had more cops that came in to support constitutional carry 845 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,360 Speaker 3: than came in to oppose it. And it was really 846 00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:23,200 Speaker 3: noticeable who came in to support constitutional carry and who 847 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,279 Speaker 3: came in to oppose it. And this is perfectly reflected 848 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,760 Speaker 3: in this article where the Effort Center is talking about 849 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:37,560 Speaker 3: law enforcement quote unquote opposing reciprocity because the political appointees, 850 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,359 Speaker 3: the police chiefs from big cities, and we had police 851 00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,160 Speaker 3: chiefs come in from Fort Wayne and South ben and Bloomington, 852 00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,960 Speaker 3: and we had i believe an assistant chief from IMPD 853 00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,400 Speaker 3: that came in. These aren't rank and file, he's are 854 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:54,560 Speaker 3: bureaucrast he's a political appointees. And they came in doing 855 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,560 Speaker 3: what their bosses and city government wanted them to do, 856 00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,640 Speaker 3: which was opposed the rights of everyday America and in 857 00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,720 Speaker 3: this case, every day who's yours to carry a handgun. 858 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,719 Speaker 3: But when you talk to the individual rank and file officers, 859 00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,400 Speaker 3: in fact, when you look at what thefterronal order or 860 00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,040 Speaker 3: police on behalf of their members representing the rank and file. 861 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,840 Speaker 3: They're universal in saying passing new laws won't make people safer. 862 00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,680 Speaker 3: Passing new laws won't make there be less crime. We 863 00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,359 Speaker 3: need to lock up violent criminals and keep them walked up. 864 00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,400 Speaker 3: That's what the FOP has been saying for years. I 865 00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,239 Speaker 3: know we have FOP President Rick Snyder on my show. 866 00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,640 Speaker 3: He just came on with Hammer and Nigel, where I 867 00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:40,319 Speaker 3: was co hosting yesterday on Hammer and Nigel and the 868 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,960 Speaker 3: rank and file police officers. And the other is county sheriffs. 869 00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:49,200 Speaker 3: County sheriffs are somewhat unique in law enforcement because they're 870 00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:55,840 Speaker 3: elected directly by the residents of their county. County sheriffs 871 00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:02,080 Speaker 3: have allegiances to two things, Constitution and the people who 872 00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,560 Speaker 3: live in their county, the voters in their county, the 873 00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:11,799 Speaker 3: citizens in their county. They're not the same kind of 874 00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:18,719 Speaker 3: political animals appointed by other bureaucrats. The police chiefs are 875 00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,440 Speaker 3: and county sheriff after county sheriff came in to support 876 00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,800 Speaker 3: Constitutional Care and they said what we're I think you 877 00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:31,920 Speaker 3: talk about common sense. They came in and said very 878 00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,920 Speaker 3: common sense things like we can't be everywhere, we have 879 00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:40,200 Speaker 3: a response time to any given crime scene, and if 880 00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,920 Speaker 3: citizen ought to be able to be their own first responder, 881 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,279 Speaker 3: and they ought to be in a position to have 882 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,080 Speaker 3: their capacity to defend themselves and their family, and as 883 00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,960 Speaker 3: law enforcement, we support that. And I heard that over 884 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:56,160 Speaker 3: and over again. But this total scam was perpetrated by 885 00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,480 Speaker 3: the gun control group and the people wanting to restrict 886 00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,520 Speaker 3: the rights of law abiding citizens. To say law enforcement 887 00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:07,800 Speaker 3: as some monolithic block stood up to oppose constitutional carry 888 00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:11,439 Speaker 3: and listen, some were very vocal. My friend Doug Carter, 889 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,960 Speaker 3: and I respect Doug Carter, and I consider him a 890 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,040 Speaker 3: good friend today. But man Doug would come in and 891 00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,680 Speaker 3: testify and committee against constitutional carry, I'd be in there 892 00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,759 Speaker 3: to testify for it. We would shake hands and give 893 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,200 Speaker 3: it to a little man hug beforehand, and we'd shake 894 00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,960 Speaker 3: hands afterwards, and in between we call each other everything 895 00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,680 Speaker 3: but honest, because we couldn't disagree about that more and 896 00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:36,640 Speaker 3: more passionately. Doug was passionately against it, I was passionately 897 00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:41,200 Speaker 3: for it, and we went after each other pretty hard, 898 00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,600 Speaker 3: and we remain friends through that, which gives me some 899 00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,920 Speaker 3: faith that yes, you can disagree with somebody politically and 900 00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:54,279 Speaker 3: still shake their hand and consider them a friend. But yes, 901 00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,600 Speaker 3: there were some passionate people in law enforcement against it, 902 00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,920 Speaker 3: but it was not universal. It was not certainly my 903 00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,319 Speaker 3: on aolithic and in fact, a very large presence of 904 00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,320 Speaker 3: law enforcement officers supported us completely. And it's cool because 905 00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:11,960 Speaker 3: bearing arms this website, they wrote an article they call 906 00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:15,280 Speaker 3: out the Giffords on this. In fact, they then interviewed 907 00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,560 Speaker 3: some other police officers that won giffardgs is relying on 908 00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:21,080 Speaker 3: eight year old data and even posted some so called 909 00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,000 Speaker 3: studies that with links that if you go to the 910 00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,600 Speaker 3: links that they don't even they're not even good connections anymore. 911 00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,439 Speaker 3: But I just I wanted to harken back to constitutional 912 00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,240 Speaker 3: carry and say, man, when you talk to the cops 913 00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,640 Speaker 3: on the street, the rank and file, and the county sheriffs, 914 00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,759 Speaker 3: you'll get a dramatically different view when it comes to 915 00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,600 Speaker 3: gun control or the rights of common citizens to have 916 00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,520 Speaker 3: the capacity and the ability to defend themselves in their families. 917 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,840 Speaker 3: That's something that I've seen per firsthand, and I always 918 00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,160 Speaker 3: want to call BS when I see BS Tayward at 919 00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,160 Speaker 3: the bottom of the hour, we're taking a break, give 920 00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,239 Speaker 3: us a call. Join the discussion. Three one seven two 921 00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,960 Speaker 3: three nine ninety three ninety three. We're taking a breaks. 922 00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,520 Speaker 3: Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WYBC. 923 00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:06,640 Speaker 1: Now you've got a gun guy, Guy Ralford on ninety 924 00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,680 Speaker 1: three WYPC. 925 00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,359 Speaker 3: And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy 926 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,200 Speaker 3: Show on ninety three WIBC. 927 00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:15,400 Speaker 2: Tey what. 928 00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:21,840 Speaker 3: I just got a private message on Facebook from someone 929 00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,960 Speaker 3: who's listening to the program, and they were talking about 930 00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:29,600 Speaker 3: something I said in response to Joshua's question. Joshua had 931 00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,880 Speaker 3: asked me, I think about warning shots, and I got 932 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,520 Speaker 3: into when you can and can't use force, including deadly force. 933 00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,560 Speaker 3: And I was talking about the difference between the castle 934 00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,920 Speaker 3: doctrine and the general rules of self defense and apply 935 00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,800 Speaker 3: outside the home, because those come from different sections of 936 00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:50,480 Speaker 3: the Indiana Self Defense Statute. And a message says says Guy, 937 00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:55,040 Speaker 3: I'm not sure you're correct. I've always heard, including from 938 00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:59,520 Speaker 3: police officers, that the castle doctrine only applies once someone 939 00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,880 Speaker 3: has crossed the threshold of your home. Isn't that true? 940 00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:07,360 Speaker 3: I think what you said is incorrect. Okay, all right, 941 00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:13,640 Speaker 3: fair enough, that's from John, and no, John, I'm not 942 00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,880 Speaker 3: incorrect on this, and in fact, I invite you to 943 00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,480 Speaker 3: just put this right into your old Google machine right 944 00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,560 Speaker 3: now thirty five dash forty one dash three dash two 945 00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:28,920 Speaker 3: and go to section D. And that's the Castle doctrine. 946 00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,400 Speaker 3: And what it says is and you want to look 947 00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:37,640 Speaker 3: for the word prevent. It says a person is justified 948 00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,840 Speaker 3: in using reasonable force, including deadly force, and does not 949 00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,600 Speaker 3: have a duty to retreat. That's what also makes it 950 00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:47,560 Speaker 3: a stand your ground law in addition to being the 951 00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:53,120 Speaker 3: castle doctrine. And that says if the person reasonably believes 952 00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:57,720 Speaker 3: that that force and they're talking about deadly force is necessary, 953 00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:04,400 Speaker 3: and then it says to prevent event or terminate an 954 00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:08,600 Speaker 3: unlawful entry of or attack on their dwelling. Goes on 955 00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,720 Speaker 3: to talk about curtilage, which is the area outside your 956 00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,520 Speaker 3: home where you still have an expectation of privacy. So 957 00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:21,000 Speaker 3: we're not even talking about curtilage yet, or occupied motor vehicle, 958 00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,920 Speaker 3: we're not talking about that. Let's just talk about dwelling again, 959 00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,240 Speaker 3: a whole nother discussion about curtilage, which actually applies outside 960 00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:31,400 Speaker 3: your home, but just talking about the castle doctrine. And 961 00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:35,560 Speaker 3: you're dwelling specifically if what you said John was true, 962 00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,240 Speaker 3: and the castle doctrine only applies, meaning you can only 963 00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,960 Speaker 3: use deadly force once someone has crossed the threshold of 964 00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,520 Speaker 3: your home. Then the word prevent wouldn't have been in 965 00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:49,560 Speaker 3: the statue. The word prevent in the statute is what 966 00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:53,360 Speaker 3: makes you wrong and me right. And I'm not saying 967 00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:58,680 Speaker 3: that to be high handed about it. I'm just responding 968 00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,440 Speaker 3: to your comment that you sure I'm wrong because you've 969 01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,760 Speaker 3: heard for a long time, including from police officers, or 970 01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,240 Speaker 3: someone must cross the threshold of your home. Now again, 971 01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,919 Speaker 3: I'm not advocating for the use of force in any 972 01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,120 Speaker 3: form here. It's not my point. I'm talking about what's 973 01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:15,640 Speaker 3: legally justified in Indiana. What's legally justified Indiana. It requires 974 01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:20,360 Speaker 3: a reasonable belief. You don't have to be right. You 975 01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,640 Speaker 3: just have to have a reasonable belief that you're preventing 976 01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:30,439 Speaker 3: an unlawful entry. The word preventing would be completely superfluous 977 01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:36,000 Speaker 3: and useless in the statute if it didn't apply before 978 01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,720 Speaker 3: someone had actually crossed the threshold of your home. Otherwise 979 01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,000 Speaker 3: it would only have used the word terminate. It doesn't 980 01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,840 Speaker 3: say only. It doesn't say you can terminate an unlawful 981 01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,560 Speaker 3: entry once they've entered. It doesn't just say that. It 982 01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:53,400 Speaker 3: says you can prevent or terminate an unlawful entry. So 983 01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,080 Speaker 3: the word prevent is what makes me right and why 984 01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,840 Speaker 3: I'm one hundred percent confident in that interpretation of the statute. 985 01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:01,960 Speaker 3: Indiana law is very very clear on that, and a 986 01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:05,000 Speaker 3: lot of people don't understand that. And the other point 987 01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:08,920 Speaker 3: that people don't seem to understand is that because they 988 01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,240 Speaker 3: want to blend together Section C and con Section D 989 01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,520 Speaker 3: of the statue. Section C is what requires you to 990 01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,240 Speaker 3: believe you're preventing serious bodily injury to you or a 991 01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:20,040 Speaker 3: third person, or what's called the commission of a forcible felony. 992 01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,520 Speaker 3: A forcible felony is a felony committed to the use 993 01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:27,960 Speaker 3: or threat of force, or in which there's a substantial 994 01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:31,360 Speaker 3: likelihood of injury to a human being. So what's a 995 01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:40,280 Speaker 3: forcible felony? Well armed robbery, rape, any number of felonies 996 01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,120 Speaker 3: are committed to the use or threat of force or 997 01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:44,200 Speaker 3: in which there's a danger of injury to a human 998 01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:50,680 Speaker 3: But the fearing or reasonably believing that you're preventing serious 999 01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,160 Speaker 3: bodily injury is the requirement in Section C. That's not 1000 01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,520 Speaker 3: a requirement in the castle doctrine. It's not part of it. 1001 01:01:57,560 --> 01:01:58,960 Speaker 3: You don't have to see a threat, you don't have 1002 01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:00,560 Speaker 3: to see a weapon, you don't have to fear for 1003 01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,120 Speaker 3: your life or fear for your your safety and health. 1004 01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,720 Speaker 3: You just have to be in your according to your 1005 01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:10,480 Speaker 3: reasonable belief. You have to be preventing or terminating an 1006 01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:14,840 Speaker 3: unlawful entry. That's the wording of the statute. And and 1007 01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,920 Speaker 3: there is And I understand why people are asking about this, 1008 01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,520 Speaker 3: and I understand why people are debating this, because there's 1009 01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,600 Speaker 3: a lot of discussion on this right now generally. But 1010 01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:25,960 Speaker 3: that's what the laws says. Don't believe me. Look it up. 1011 01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:28,880 Speaker 3: Thirty fivesh forty one desk three dosh two Subsection D. 1012 01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,360 Speaker 3: It's right there. You can read it for yourself. Tell 1013 01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,400 Speaker 3: you what, we're a little bit before the quarter hour. 1014 01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,120 Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and take a break here, we'll come 1015 01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,240 Speaker 3: back and we'll wrap up this edition of The Gun 1016 01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,200 Speaker 3: Guy Show here on ninety three WYBC. 1017 01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:50,680 Speaker 1: He's a Second Amendment attorney, he's an NRA certified Firearms instructor. 1018 01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:55,920 Speaker 1: He's the gun Guy Guy Ralford on ninety three WYPC. 1019 01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:00,520 Speaker 3: And welcome back for the last segment here of The 1020 01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:04,840 Speaker 3: Gun Guy Show. Here on ninety three WIBC something else. 1021 01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,560 Speaker 3: You know, I mentioned, uh, looking at what's going on 1022 01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,320 Speaker 3: in Canada and Australia in the UK and being glad 1023 01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:16,760 Speaker 3: for our Second Amendment, something that makes me extraordinarily glad 1024 01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,200 Speaker 3: to live in Indiana and to have the gun laws 1025 01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:21,640 Speaker 3: that we have here. I've said it over and over. 1026 01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,040 Speaker 3: If you listen to the Gun Guy show, I'm sure 1027 01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,480 Speaker 3: you've heard me say it before. I'll take Indiana's gun 1028 01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:28,680 Speaker 3: laws over virtually any other law in state, any other 1029 01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,439 Speaker 3: state in the country. And you know, and for some reason, 1030 01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,280 Speaker 3: people always want to talk about Texas. Texas is so 1031 01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,200 Speaker 3: pro gun. Texas has a lot of restrictions on gun 1032 01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,040 Speaker 3: rights that I would never want to see here in Indiana, 1033 01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:43,000 Speaker 3: Like the if a business owner puts a particular sign 1034 01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,000 Speaker 3: up in the door that says no gun's allowed, then 1035 01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,560 Speaker 3: it's a crime to carry a gun into that into 1036 01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:51,720 Speaker 3: that business, you can't stop and have a beer and 1037 01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:53,560 Speaker 3: you're way home from work if you're carrying your gun, 1038 01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:57,720 Speaker 3: because it's illegal to go into a place that serves 1039 01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,680 Speaker 3: alcohol or to consume any alcohol while you carrying a gun. 1040 01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,840 Speaker 3: I treat carrying a gun just like I do having beers. 1041 01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,800 Speaker 3: If I wouldn't be comfortable driving a car based on 1042 01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:13,280 Speaker 3: how many beers I'm going to drink, then I don't carry. 1043 01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,080 Speaker 3: But that has a much bigger impact on how much 1044 01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:18,440 Speaker 3: beer I drink than how much I carry, because I 1045 01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:25,760 Speaker 3: don't want to give up my Second Amendment right, and 1046 01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:29,640 Speaker 3: and and and and and I it's ridiculous to me 1047 01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:32,440 Speaker 3: that I I have to disarm myself. I can't even 1048 01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,000 Speaker 3: have one in my car if I'm gonna stop and 1049 01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,880 Speaker 3: have a beer on the way home. That's ridiculous. How 1050 01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:39,120 Speaker 3: does that mean it's smart to go out and get 1051 01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:40,840 Speaker 3: drunk while you're carrying a gun? Of course not, And 1052 01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:42,720 Speaker 3: that's not my point. My point is you can be 1053 01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:47,280 Speaker 3: responsible and enjoy a beer and still carry your gun, 1054 01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:51,520 Speaker 3: just like you can enjoy a beer and drive home 1055 01:04:52,520 --> 01:05:00,000 Speaker 3: and within limits. Is totally legal and responsible, And yeah, 1056 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,720 Speaker 3: individuals citizens of the United States, law abiding citizens, ought 1057 01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:09,440 Speaker 3: to have the ability to exercise a little personal responsibility. 1058 01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:12,600 Speaker 3: So I would take our gun laws over any other states. 1059 01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:14,880 Speaker 3: Texas has included. That's just a couple of examples of 1060 01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:18,160 Speaker 3: restrictions in Texas, and that and many other states have 1061 01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:19,920 Speaker 3: very similar laws. So we don't have here in Indiana, 1062 01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,480 Speaker 3: I'm glad we don't. But one law we have in Indiana 1063 01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:25,880 Speaker 3: that I am eternally thankful for and even more so 1064 01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,760 Speaker 3: reading an article as somebody sent me here recently about 1065 01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,600 Speaker 3: what's going on in Savannah, Georgia. But it makes me 1066 01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:34,480 Speaker 3: very glad we have in Indiana here what's called a 1067 01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,480 Speaker 3: preemption law. And I mentioned this in response to a 1068 01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:39,920 Speaker 3: person who called in asking about shooting on their property 1069 01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,480 Speaker 3: and about they're asking, you know, is that typically like 1070 01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:45,880 Speaker 3: a local ordinance and regulation that's going to restrict that? 1071 01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:48,960 Speaker 3: And I said, well, local governments are greatly restricted here 1072 01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:53,080 Speaker 3: in Indiana and what local ordinances or regulations they can 1073 01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:58,320 Speaker 3: pass because of our firearms preemption law. And this is 1074 01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,120 Speaker 3: a big one, and I've filed multiple law suits over 1075 01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,400 Speaker 3: this in the past. In fact, I filed the first 1076 01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:09,280 Speaker 3: lawsuit in the state immediately after it went into effect 1077 01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:13,520 Speaker 3: back then, I want to say, twenty eleven. But what 1078 01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:16,600 Speaker 3: does the Indiana Firearms Preemption Law say? It says that 1079 01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:20,160 Speaker 3: outside certain exceptions, you have to look at the exceptions 1080 01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:24,000 Speaker 3: that are in section four of the statute. But Section 1081 01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:31,680 Speaker 3: one says local governments, that is, cities, towns, townships, counties, 1082 01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:35,560 Speaker 3: what they call political subdivisions. That's units of government below 1083 01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:39,320 Speaker 3: the state level, So that applies to airport authorities, housing authorities, 1084 01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:45,040 Speaker 3: different units of local government below the state level. Cannot 1085 01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:49,560 Speaker 3: regulate firearms, it says, cannot regulate firearms, ammunition, or firearms accessories. 1086 01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:52,080 Speaker 3: And then it gets more specific, and it says including, 1087 01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:59,160 Speaker 3: and it talks about the sale, transfer, carrying, possession, taxation, 1088 01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:02,720 Speaker 3: commerce in and they give a bunch of specific examples. 1089 01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,600 Speaker 3: But there's a broad prohibition just says they can't regulate firearms. 1090 01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:10,200 Speaker 3: Now there are exceptions. For instance, it says, an exception 1091 01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:14,320 Speaker 3: is that a local government can restrict firearm prohibit firearms 1092 01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:18,280 Speaker 3: in a building that contains the courtroom. Okay, all right, 1093 01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:28,160 Speaker 3: they can. A local government can have zoning laws that 1094 01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:35,000 Speaker 3: affect all businesses equally, and if they also happen to 1095 01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:41,160 Speaker 3: apply to businesses that, for instance, sell firearms, so be it. 1096 01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:44,680 Speaker 3: As long as they applied all businesses regularly or equally. Okay, 1097 01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:49,800 Speaker 3: all right, makes sense. And a local government can prohibit 1098 01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:52,960 Speaker 3: the open display of a firearm at a public meeting. 1099 01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:56,320 Speaker 3: That's an interesting one. So you're a local town council 1100 01:07:56,400 --> 01:08:02,000 Speaker 3: if they have public meetings, if they're not in a building, 1101 01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,439 Speaker 3: that contains a courtroom. They can't tell you you can't 1102 01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:06,439 Speaker 3: bring your gun in, but they can tell you can't 1103 01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:10,800 Speaker 3: openly display it. Okay, but you get past those exceptions, 1104 01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:13,920 Speaker 3: and they are really very limited. Local governments can't prohibit 1105 01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:19,240 Speaker 3: the possession carrying of firearms, can't regulate those things. And 1106 01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:22,280 Speaker 3: that's huge. And we've had a whole bunch of whiny 1107 01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:29,240 Speaker 3: mayors and city councilors and town councilors, county commissioners get 1108 01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:31,240 Speaker 3: really whiny about this over the years because they want 1109 01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:36,519 Speaker 3: to pass local restrictions. The mayor of Bloomington, I think 1110 01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:38,559 Speaker 3: there's been a couple different mayors of Bloomington since this 1111 01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:42,200 Speaker 3: went into effect. So, oh, we can't prohibit firearms at 1112 01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:46,680 Speaker 3: our local swimming pool. This is ridiculous. Well, what if 1113 01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:48,200 Speaker 3: somebody wants to come in and commit a crime in 1114 01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:50,560 Speaker 3: your local swimming pool? You think they're they're going to 1115 01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:52,840 Speaker 3: not come in and commit that crime because you've got 1116 01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:54,920 Speaker 3: to sign on the door that says, per local ordnance, 1117 01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:58,040 Speaker 3: firearms are prohibited. What's the last time a mass shooter 1118 01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,240 Speaker 3: looked at a sign that says you could get find 1119 01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:02,160 Speaker 3: five hundred dollars if you bring a gun to the 1120 01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:05,000 Speaker 3: swimming pool. So a mass shooter whose plan is to 1121 01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:07,920 Speaker 3: kill as many people as possible and then eat a bullet, 1122 01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:11,559 Speaker 3: it's gonna suddenly say, Wow, I don't want to get 1123 01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:13,759 Speaker 3: fined five hundred dollars, I'd better leave my gun at home. 1124 01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,080 Speaker 3: Of course, not. Local regulations don't do anything but affect 1125 01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:20,400 Speaker 3: law abiding citizens because we actually care about getting fined 1126 01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:26,400 Speaker 3: whatever it might be. So local regulations don't do anything 1127 01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:28,959 Speaker 3: to keep anybody safe. For this restrict law abiding citizens. 1128 01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:33,040 Speaker 3: And what's going on in Savannah is they pass the 1129 01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,200 Speaker 3: law that puts requirements on you. If you're going to 1130 01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:37,120 Speaker 3: have a gun in your car, you're going to leave 1131 01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,240 Speaker 3: a gun in your car, it's got to be locked 1132 01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:42,400 Speaker 3: up in a safe. Well, look, i've got a safe 1133 01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:45,479 Speaker 3: in my car. I've got two. I've got one for 1134 01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:48,200 Speaker 3: rifles in the trunk, and i've got one for other 1135 01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:51,880 Speaker 3: valuables including holds, a couple of handguns and my binoculars 1136 01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,360 Speaker 3: and whatever else I want to leave in it. That 1137 01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:57,280 Speaker 3: mounts in the back seat, and it's mounted in there permanently. 1138 01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:01,080 Speaker 3: It's not going anywhere. So I do that because that's 1139 01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:06,040 Speaker 3: my choice as someone who's responsible with his firearms. Do 1140 01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:08,040 Speaker 3: I think the local government should tell me about how 1141 01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:09,960 Speaker 3: I need to leave my gun in my car? No? 1142 01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:14,400 Speaker 3: And could they do that here locally? They passed that 1143 01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:18,120 Speaker 3: ordinance in Savannah. Now it was found to be unconstitutional 1144 01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:22,559 Speaker 3: there in Georgia, and the mayor said he doesn't care. 1145 01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,760 Speaker 3: They're going to enforce it anyway. And I'm looking at 1146 01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:28,760 Speaker 3: how that fights unfolding, and I think, thank God I 1147 01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:30,519 Speaker 3: live in Indiana. We don't have to fight that battle. 1148 01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:35,120 Speaker 3: And that's one more way where I'm thankful for the 1149 01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:37,840 Speaker 3: great laws we have here. That's it for this week's 1150 01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:39,760 Speaker 3: edition to The Gun Guy Show. You hope you enjoy it. 1151 01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:42,719 Speaker 3: I hope you come back and remember I always shoot safe. 1152 01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:45,720 Speaker 3: I always shoot straight and be safe. This is Guy 1153 01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,160 Speaker 3: Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WYBC