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Speaker 1: We're back.

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Speaker 2: It is another edition of Colts Corner with myself Kevin

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Speaker 2: Bow into the bullpen.

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Speaker 1: We go to welcome back Mark diyped In and.

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Speaker 2: His Chicago Bears, a Super Bowl contender, Chicago Bears.

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Speaker 1: Is that right?

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Speaker 3: We are the Bears shuffling crew, isn't that? The song goes, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's looking good so far. I'm optimistic. It's nice. It's

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Speaker 3: a nice feeling to have every once in a while

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Speaker 3: this time of year.

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Speaker 2: As always, we appreciate you sliding into our studios.

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Speaker 1: We are in a new studio in our new building in.

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Speaker 2: Downtown Indianapolis, so apologies if we have any audio glitches.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully everything will be as smooth as possible. Mark. We'll

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Speaker 1: get to a lot here on today's podcast.

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Speaker 2: In terms of, you know, recapping the Colts and Seahawks yesterday,

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Speaker 2: I think it's one of the more confusing games to

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Speaker 2: probably accurately talk about that I can recall. For the Colts,

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Speaker 2: it's like you have this Disney Plus movie with Philip Rivers.

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Speaker 2: But then it's like await the culture in the thick

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Speaker 2: of a playoff hunt, and losses right now are not

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Speaker 2: good at all for the playoff standings. The Colts really

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Speaker 2: got no help in week fifteen whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know, it's just a very difficult time.

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Speaker 3: I guess I feel like they haven't gotten helped in

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Speaker 3: the last like three or four weeks, Like everything good

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Speaker 3: hunts has gone not their way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the double.

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Speaker 2: Whammy of the Chargers winning on Monday Night Football, coming

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Speaker 2: back to beating the Eagles, and then also coming back

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Speaker 2: to beat the Chiefs yesterday was an ideal. Like I

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Speaker 2: felt like, if you could get isolated with the Chargers

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Speaker 2: record wise head to head, you have that advantage, but

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Speaker 2: now you need some help here down the stretch, and

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Speaker 2: one of the Chargers games the rest of waste Houston,

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Speaker 2: Well that's gonna help one of those two teams. I

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Speaker 2: guess you need a roof for a tie frankly in

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Speaker 2: that game. So a lot to get to, but you know,

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Speaker 2: as always, Mark, I guess we just start a little

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Speaker 2: bit big picture.

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Speaker 1: And.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think we can isolate the river story.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to that, but just more of you know

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Speaker 2: how I've always wanted to treat these Monday podcast as

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Speaker 2: it is the immediate reaction to the football game we

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Speaker 2: just watched, and the football game is just a it's

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Speaker 2: an awful, brutal kicking the you know what type of

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Speaker 1: For so much of the game, going in one of those.

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Speaker 2: Hostile road environments, having a lead, you know, throughout you

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Speaker 2: felt like you could have had one of the wins

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Speaker 2: a little bit of Kansas City vibes with how the

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Speaker 2: you aren't in a position on December fifteenth to really

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Speaker 2: discuss moral victories because in a one way mark, you

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Speaker 2: finished yesterday's game on your let's call Philip Rivers, your

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Speaker 2: thirds string quarterback, You're down to your third and fourth

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Speaker 3: And you held them out the end zone the entire game, right,

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Speaker 3: which is just if you I would have signed up

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Speaker 2: So like you want to be proud of that effort,

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Speaker 2: the playoff standings look as they do. It's just hard

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Speaker 2: And probably some of it has to do with also

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Speaker 1: You know, you've had all this great playoff success.

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Speaker 2: And you're dealing with all these injuries and yet you

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Speaker 1: I mean, it kind of felt that way, at least

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Speaker 2: And you executed so much of your blueprint of playing

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Speaker 2: I thought Seattle played with some shackles on them at

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Speaker 3: But when you threw that touchdown pass, I'm like, are

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Speaker 3: that's what I felt like.

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Speaker 1: It had a feel of like it deserved to be

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Speaker 2: You know, it just kind of had that feel to it.

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Speaker 2: So Mark, unless you got any kind of just over

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Speaker 1: To get into what I didn't like and what I

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Speaker 3: Well, like I said, I mean, Philip Rivers, I was

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Speaker 3: and that was the effort you put out there. And

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I guess let's just go ahead and dive

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Speaker 1: We will evaluate this.

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Speaker 2: I'll get the Philip Rivers as an individual here in

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Speaker 1: But let's just focus on the offense. It was a

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Speaker 2: It was archaic, so many numbers would back that up

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Speaker 1: No matter how you slice any.

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Speaker 2: Of those numbers, it's some of the worst either this

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Speaker 2: given the state of your team right now, is it

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Speaker 3: It was like watching the offense of like when you

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Speaker 1: You should you should be a voiceover fronkey for that. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just it's it was a tough watch.

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Speaker 2: Like if you separated yourself from the River's nostalgia. It

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Speaker 2: was a very tough offensive watch. Only two plays over

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Speaker 2: a lot of it. I guess I expected.

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Speaker 2: I thought Josh Downs and Tyler Warren would be beneficiaries

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Speaker 3: I thought that was a nice change of pace that

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Speaker 1: And again that's Rivers.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Hines led you and catches back in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: attention to that. As expected, Alec Pearce was totally neutered,

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Speaker 2: I think Pierce has earned the right where he is

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Speaker 1: There's a play. We brought this up on our morning

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Speaker 2: There's a play down the nearest sideline where Rashid Shahid

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Speaker 2: have to find a way to get Pierce going. I know,

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Speaker 2: Shane said after the game, A with a week of practice,

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Speaker 2: I fully expect them to start rivers again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just to get that out of the way.

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Speaker 2: But with a week, you know, another week of prep time,

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Speaker 3: Alex Pierce from fifteen yards out is gonna be the

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Speaker 2: That is what it's gonna I just like when he

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Speaker 2: what is that? So I would have started Riley Leonard

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Speaker 2: And I get that we're splitting hairs to a degree

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Speaker 2: mark and maybe the end result still would have been

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Speaker 2: sixteen points. Maybe you would have had another turnover two

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Speaker 2: and that would have made a bigger margin. But I

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Speaker 2: just think this general offense Army Navy is it creates

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Speaker 3: But he's not running anybody, he's not scaring anybody with

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Speaker 2: So let's go ahead and move on, Mark, but sure

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Speaker 3: Game and effort and everything like that. So yeah, standed

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Speaker 3: The tiny but mighty kicker.

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Speaker 2: Tiny but mighty kicker boy Maddy Bones reaction when he

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Speaker 2: he's got a little cockiness to him, which again kicker

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Speaker 2: And just his entire day mark. You know, he obviously

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Speaker 3: They weren't shy about setting them out there, which was interesting.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I think those are all just major, major

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Speaker 3: Rivers effort was another thing he liked yesterday.

442
00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,960
Speaker 2: This is where we get it into the story. And

443
00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:05,040
Speaker 2: you and I are combined of what six kids under eighth,

444
00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:11,280
Speaker 2: so we are frequent Disney Plus watchers. And I say

445
00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,440
Speaker 2: this in all seriousness, Philip Rivers playing an NFL game

446
00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,439
Speaker 2: is like me dialing up a Disney Plus movie on

447
00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,800
Speaker 2: a Friday night. Like we had a listener say, is

448
00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,600
Speaker 2: Michael orr now going to play off as a tackle

449
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:23,480
Speaker 2: for the Colts next week?

450
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,000
Speaker 1: With their injury situation? I'm like, well, are you half serious?

451
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:26,520
Speaker 1: Are you half?

452
00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:32,920
Speaker 2: You never know anything as possible. It's what Rivers is

453
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:38,320
Speaker 2: doing is inspiring, It's wild. It's the talk of the town.

454
00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 2: The awkward celebration after the touchdown that you talked about,

455
00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,240
Speaker 2: the pregame clip that you talked about of him with

456
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 2: the play sheet and getting on the first bus at

457
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,719
Speaker 2: you know whatever, the nine am local time bus, uh,

458
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:53,919
Speaker 2: the Saint Michael's, you know pizza watch party. You know,

459
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:55,880
Speaker 2: I've been emailing back and forth. I think we're gonna

460
00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,800
Speaker 2: try to get their ad on our our radio show.

461
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,640
Speaker 3: Like him in the host press conference getting emotional.

462
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,000
Speaker 2: That was awesome, Like that viral clip, like all of

463
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 2: it is so freaking.

464
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 1: Cool and unique.

465
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 2: It's probably a lot cool if it's not your own team.

466
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 2: I guess it's probably where I would side on that.

467
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,120
Speaker 2: And that's where I think today is difficult for us.

468
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 2: It's like, are we grading a forty four year old

469
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,360
Speaker 2: dude that I said was Tim Allen trying to save Christmas?

470
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 2: Are we grading him coming off the couch, because if

471
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 2: we are, he gets an a freaking plus.

472
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:33,639
Speaker 1: A plus.

473
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 2: Or are we grading him as NFL quarterback because if

474
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 2: we're great of an NFL quarterback, that offense gives gives

475
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:45,879
Speaker 2: like a D plus out for what yesterday. So you know,

476
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,639
Speaker 2: I think that aspect to it is what makes it

477
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 2: just really really challenging is you don't fully know fully realize,

478
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 2: you know, how to kind of view it. Are we

479
00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,880
Speaker 2: grading this more of a it's the movie, or are

480
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 2: we grading this more of a do we have to

481
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 2: put our hat on because the Colts are one game

482
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 2: out of the playoffs and you have to like view

483
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:12,119
Speaker 2: it in that light because they need wins badly. But again,

484
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 2: his effort, I mean, it's an unbelievable story. It's unbelievable

485
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 2: what he is attempting to do. What I guess what

486
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 2: he did. It's funny to watch, it's amazing to watch.

487
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,879
Speaker 2: After watching Steph Curry throwing the warm up shot the

488
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 2: other night, can you imagine playing Philip Rivers and Steph

489
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 2: Curry in a game of cornhole? Oh?

490
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Speaker 3: My god? And yeah, I know that that is something

491
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 3: I'll actually sign up for to actually watch. I said

492
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 3: out loud to Ashley while we were watching the game.

493
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 3: I was like, I think the Seattle kicker is gonna

494
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 3: miss it. I think he's gonna miss it. We're going

495
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 3: to get the Hallmark movie where he's running out to

496
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 3: midfield and maybe Shane Stecken tries to lift him upon

497
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 3: his shoulder like that scene. I was waiting for the

498
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 3: gatorade bath. I was waiting for it all.

499
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Speaker 2: Boy, Jason Myers, does he have the idea of a

500
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 2: little baby cut with a with his field goal?

501
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 3: I stole that from us. All we wanted was that

502
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 3: was that feeling. You took it away from us.

503
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 2: And so that's where it's just, you know again, so

504
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 2: much of this is absolutely wild, and so I do

505
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I say it's in all the seriousness. I

506
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 2: mean a major, major hat tip to the effort of

507
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 2: Philip Rivers and all of that, and like being comfortable

508
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 2: in his own skin too. I've got to get the

509
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 2: ball out rapidly quick. I don't think he ever tried

510
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 2: to push it too too much in any way, shape

511
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,959
Speaker 2: or form. I think he totally knows exactly who he

512
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 2: is and he's obviously very comfortable in that.

513
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,360
Speaker 1: But you are trying to win an NFL game.

514
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, still hat tip to him, though. Yeah, are you

515
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 3: ready to get into Twitter questions?

516
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 1: Yeah?

517
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 3: All right, Flippin's starts us off. He said, why would

518
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 3: lou Go zone prevent on the last drive? Crazy move?

519
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 2: Okay, So again this is where we got into here.

520
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 2: I am a fan of you fully embrace one or

521
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 2: the other, and I probably side with the bring the house,

522
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 2: make Donald try and beat you vertically, you know, you know,

523
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 2: leaving anybody in man coverage on Jackson Smith and Jigbud

524
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 2: considering he had gone over one hundred yards on you

525
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 2: probably sounds ludicrous. Like, you know, I'm thinking back to

526
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 2: as a Notre Dame fan watching jeremih Smith and man

527
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 2: coverage on the play of the game Ice the game

528
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 2: when when Notre Dame tried to bring the house, but

529
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 2: like they didn't bring it.

530
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 1: All the way.

531
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Speaker 2: They left somebody to you know, potentially spy Will Howard,

532
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 2: And that's where you kind of get into those just

533
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 2: are you doing it or are you not doing it?

534
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: Are you gonna go talk to that girl over there?

535
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: You're not gonna do it, like get it over with,

536
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: just walk home and call it a night, or you

537
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 1: might as well. You know what's the worst you can say?

538
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 3: No, so a Christmas story. Get out there, smart ass

539
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 3: and do it.

540
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 2: So that's where I can hear the if you drop

541
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Speaker 2: eight and you force everything underneath, if Donald has one

542
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 2: checkdown and let's just play this out they kickoff. Happened

543
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 2: at forty seven, so they took over at forty two. Right,

544
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 2: if he checks it down, let's say that's thirty six.

545
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 2: If he checks down for eight yards, now they're at

546
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 2: the forty five, their own forty five.

547
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 1: That play's gonna take eight seconds to run.

548
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 2: Let's call it another ten seconds to get up there

549
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 2: and do the spike. Okay, now forty two seconds is

550
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 2: down to thirty seconds. If they do that another eight

551
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 2: yards and it takes another eighteen seconds. I mean, now

552
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 2: it's down to what twelve seconds in the game. And

553
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 2: that's where you can guard the sideline at that point,

554
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 2: you know, that's where you can, you know, really say hey,

555
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 2: those up people, those up corners, there are sideline guys,

556
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 2: and if they want to attempt to hail mary, first off,

557
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 2: you're probably not going to, but like we'll have that covered.

558
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 2: And obviously once the play starts, you can see them

559
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 2: try to go for the hail mary there because you know,

560
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 2: that's where tackling guys in bounds. You know, we see

561
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 2: it almost every week in the NFL, and you see

562
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 2: it a lot for anybody that goes out to training

563
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 2: camp practices from the defense. When they make tackles, everybody's

564
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 2: cranking that clock on the sideline. Everyone's reacting in a

565
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 2: very demonstrative manner because they know how critical that is

566
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 2: when you get into those two minute situations, especially no

567
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 2: with no timeouts. When you can do that, it saves

568
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 2: you so much. So Flippin, I can definitely hear you here,

569
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 2: I would say more than it. It's just just one

570
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 2: player make a play.

571
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all you needed, right all right? Moving on

572
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 3: to Ben, he says, it's fourth and three with fifty

573
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 3: some seconds left, the Colts have two timeouts. Is a

574
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 3: sixty yard field goal in that moment? Before you know, Blake,

575
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 3: GROUPI would hit that kick. Isn't jt or Pitt converting

576
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 3: fourth and three? Just as likely as the sixty yard

577
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 3: field goal? Shouldn't the Colts have taken the shot to

578
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 3: get the first down, especially considering how the Seahawks had

579
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 3: started moving the ball more. I like psyching a lot,

580
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 3: but I feel like he gets out gamed on the

581
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 3: situations all the time.

582
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 2: What do you think you think they should have gone

583
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 2: for the fourth down? There Fore gone the sixty yarder,

584
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 2: go for the fourth and three. The thought there, obviously

585
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 2: is you now have the ball for the rest of

586
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 2: the game, and Groupie would try to make it obviously

587
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 2: you need to get the fourth and three, but then

588
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: Groupy would try to make whatever fifty yard.

589
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 3: Again, not knowing that Groupie had that leg in him

590
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 3: when I saw him trot out there, Mike, I mean,

591
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 3: they're trying to drawn off sides or something. They're not

592
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 3: gonna hike this ball, are they? And then's sure enough

593
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 3: they did. I would have probably leaned towards that at

594
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor or a Michael Pittman situation, if you could

595
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 3: have gotten into it. Even still, because I feel like

596
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 3: the sixty yard attempt, well, is great that he made it.

597
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,239
Speaker 3: That also seems like a desperation, like last second, like

598
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 3: this is for the game winner. We have to do this.

599
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 3: We have no other option, whereas in the fourth and

600
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 3: three you had some options there. So I would have

601
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 3: probably opted to go for it as opposed to go

602
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 3: for the sixty yard field goal. But that's just me.

603
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am you know again, I remember saying to

604
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: Maddie on third and seven, any cards here, I think

605
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 2: they'll trop group be out. I mean, if you play

606
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 2: the percentages Groupy from sixty yards, I don't know, let's

607
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 2: call it a thirty five percent chance to make it.

608
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: The fourth and three is probably.

609
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 2: A coin flip, especially with rivers, and then you still

610
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: have to do one more action. It's not like you

611
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 2: just get that's not the third down where you go

612
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 2: or the fourth down where you go for it and

613
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: you have the lead and now you're just taking kneel down.

614
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 2: You still have to do one more thing. And I

615
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: think that's where my hesitancy comes into play. I definitely

616
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 2: hear you out Ben on it, but like there is

617
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 2: still another coin flip that you have to do. So

618
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 2: that's where I don't think it's like a slam dunk lock.

619
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: After that groupye from what fifty yards not with how

620
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: GROUPY kicked it yesterday, you.

621
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Speaker 1: Obviously feel a lot better.

622
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: About it than you would have maybe going into that.

623
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 2: So I again I can listen to it. I would say,

624
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 2: I'm not like strongly convinced. I mean some of these

625
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,479
Speaker 2: things I have more conviction on. I can hear you

626
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 2: out on going for the fourth and three, And that

627
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: was a river's check by the way on third down,

628
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 2: so I can said that after the game that was

629
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,479
Speaker 2: a river's check to go to the run there with

630
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: a lighter box. So boy, can't you just defend the

631
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: final forty seven seconds better, I know, and I realized

632
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 2: that the touchback rule has changed. But you know, Seattle

633
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: executed that perfectly with what Myers did.

634
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: Now, you know, obviously the Colts.

635
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: Weren't going to get into Hailmary range with Philip Rivers,

636
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: but they executed that really really well. That would have

637
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: been the first step in that direction. So I don't know,

638
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 2: you know, people brought up the Broncos game. I don't

639
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 2: think it's exactly apples to apples, but.

640
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: I can hear people out that would want to go

641
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: for the fourth and three there.

642
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 3: All right, Isaac probably feeling like a way a lot

643
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 3: of a lot of us watching the Colts lately have

644
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 3: been going. He says, we went from seven to one

645
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 3: to eight and six. This is an all time meltdown,

646
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 3: and it's primarily been on coaching. In my opinion, we

647
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 3: need a culture change. Fans are fed up with Stichen

648
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 3: much longer until he's gone.

649
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Isaac, I guess to answer that question and then

650
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: provide some, you know, a little bit more thought on it.

651
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: I don't have a great feel and exactly what the

652
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: cult will do. But also this, I don't get the

653
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: vibe that anyone is nervous.

654
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: I don't get the vibe that they think that they're

655
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 2: on a hot seat, even compared to last year. I

656
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 2: think last year you had more uncertainty whereas I don't,

657
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 2: and maybe you built up all the winning. You're like, wait,

658
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 2: there's no way I could now go from Coach of

659
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: the Year to gone. You know, like maybe that's a

660
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 2: little a little bit of it. And I want to

661
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 2: be clear just in general, I'm talking about yesterday's game,

662
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 2: like we had a question earlier Mark from our show

663
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: of Hey, is the Philip Rivers decision going to be

664
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,719
Speaker 2: the nail? And the Shane Sike and coffin a lla,

665
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: the Carson Wentz decision for Frank Reich.

666
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: I don't think these are apples to apples.

667
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 2: Whenever the Shane Steiken Chris Ballard era comes to an end,

668
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: slap me on the wrist. If I bring up this

669
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 2: Seattle game, like I do I think they you should

670
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: have started Riley Leonard?

671
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: I do do I think it's splitting hairs?

672
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 2: I probably do, Like I don't. You're down to your

673
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 2: third string quarterback. It's late in the season. If you

674
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 2: really want to nitpick hindsight's twenty twenty. If you felt

675
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: this bad about Riley Leonard as soon as Daniel Jones

676
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: cracks that fibula, you probably should have explored the backup

677
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: market a little bit more. Given Anthony Richardsons.

678
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 3: Then right, And I was gonna say, it's not like

679
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson was healthy and you're choosing Philip Rivers over him.

680
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 3: You're not making that drastic of a decision. It's that

681
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 3: you had basically no other options except for Riley Leonard

682
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 3: or Brett Rippen, and you're like, well, let me go

683
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 3: with the guy that's running my offense in high school

684
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 3: that I have a relationship with.

685
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: Correct.

686
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 2: So I I just I can't, like, you know, break

687
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 2: it down into this like again massive, Oh my gosh.

688
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: They should be criticized like none other, and you know,

689
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 2: rip them, rip and ripple like again, you're on your third.

690
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: String, QB.

691
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: Now there is a bigger picture element to it, of Like, Mark,

692
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: if you and I had this conversation on August fifteenth

693
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 2: and I said to you, Chris Ballard will be getting

694
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: a I guess it'd be a tenth year and Shane

695
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: Sichin will get a fourth year, you will have assumed

696
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 2: the season resulted in what Like if I said everybody's

697
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 2: gonna come back, twenty twenty five seasons gonna play out,

698
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 2: you would have thought what would have been done this season?

699
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 3: Strides have been made in the right direction. You're seeing

700
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 3: fruits of the labor finally being coming to fruition, and

701
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 3: you're like, wow, Okay, they're starting to figure it out.

702
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 3: Or like if they made a wild card spot or

703
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 3: they won the division, something like that must have happened.

704
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's like to me, if I asked you

705
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: that again on August fifteenth, I would have said, Oh,

706
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: the division title streak is over or drought. I should

707
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: say the division title drought is over. Oh, they made

708
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 2: the playoffs, that's over something. Oh they want a playoff game,

709
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,479
Speaker 2: like like one of those boxes.

710
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 3: And they wanted Jacksonville.

711
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I guess Week one is really the only

712
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 2: one right now that appears to be crossed off the list.

713
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 2: You know, one of those things I guess would have

714
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: been met or or checked. Whereas to Isaac's question, we're

715
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 2: currently looking at it as what was the.

716
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty five cold season.

717
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 2: Well, none of those boxes appear to be getting checked,

718
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: and instead it would be the biggest collapse in NFL history.

719
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: But it is.

720
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,959
Speaker 2: That's kind of where it's difficult for me to say,

721
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: wait a minute, and everybody's back.

722
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: I know like that.

723
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 2: That is why, like if I would have told you

724
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: on August fifteenth, Hey, this season's gonna play out, it's

725
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: gonna be the biggest collapse the NFL scene over a decade,

726
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 2: and they're gonna run it back, I'll be like, wait,

727
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 2: and look, are there some injuries that are definitely going

728
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: to get to an airy late in the season. Yes,

729
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: they also were out of the playoffs and Daniel Jones

730
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 2: towards Achilles, And there's a little bit of like, is

731
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 2: this season the most egregious.

732
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: Damning thing on the Ballard stike and resume?

733
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 2: No, But at some point, how much longer do you

734
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 2: play the excuse meter? Like have we transitioned from the

735
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: injury luck retirement to now injuries happen? And if you

736
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: want to see the poster child of a team that

737
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 2: overcomes injuries, look at the team you're facing a week

738
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 2: from tonight. Yeah, Gravis still with Purdy starting what six

739
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: games all year? And Nick Bosa and Fred Warner and

740
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 2: their wide receiver position with Ayuk and losing their.

741
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: Top fifteen draft pick. You know all of it.

742
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: So again I'll share with you what I think right now.

743
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 2: I don't get the vibe that anyone is particularly on edge,

744
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: and now we just have to sit here and how

745
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 2: does carl Er say Gordon.

746
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: React right and which we don't know.

747
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 3: And I always thought this was going to be a

748
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 3: year in transition to begin with, because obviously the passing

749
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 3: of Jim Ersa, the daughters just took over. Okay, it

750
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 3: was too late to do anything. Then, So the season

751
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 3: has played out. You started seven and one. Now you're

752
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 3: seeing that they are falling back to earth quite spectacularly.

753
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 3: But you also signed off that Chris Ballard could send

754
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 3: off your next two first rive picks for Sauce Gardner.

755
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 3: So there has to be some comfort level that if

756
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 3: he was truly on the hot seat, why would you

757
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 3: give him the keys to say, yeah, you can go

758
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 3: ahead and make that move.

759
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 1: I mean exactly.

760
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 3: I mean, you're trusting Shane Steichen to get the best

761
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 3: out of these guys. And so I'm with you where

762
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 3: it's like, if there were some warning signs, I thought

763
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 3: it was coming at the end of this year, but

764
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 3: then they started off seven to one, and then they

765
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 3: send off two picks of sauce gardener. So I'm like, okay,

766
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 3: well at that point, you're like, Okay, everybody's coming back.

767
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 3: This is finally going in the right direction. We're starting

768
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 3: to see some stuff happened. Daniel seem to have figured

769
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 3: it out, and now the wheels have fallen completely off,

770
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,959
Speaker 3: and I like, well, now what do we do because

771
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 3: I don't know who the starting quarterback in twenty twenty

772
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 3: six is going to be, and I don't know what

773
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 3: coach or GM candidate is coming in here with no

774
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 3: first round picks the next two years and saying yeah,

775
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 3: I can fix that, right, give me a shot.

776
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: And how does Carly view all of this?

777
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 3: Right?

778
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: Did she view the off season like.

779
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: Oh, I need to get ready for a change, and

780
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden they have the first two

781
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: months She's like, oh, we don't need to do that anymore.

782
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 2: Now it's like, oh, wait, am I behind the eight ball?

783
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: And like having to restart that thinking or like should

784
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 2: you always be prepared when you're a person in that

785
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 2: sort of position in the NFL? And you know, how

786
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 2: does does she want to really make her stamp on

787
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 2: the organization or does she sit here and say, oh boy,

788
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm ready for that right now.

789
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 2: You know again, all these thoughts I've run through my

790
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 2: head about you know where they're at right now. And

791
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 2: you know again, we got into this debate on our

792
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 2: show this morning, Mark and I know it's something that

793
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 2: we talked about last week on the pod, but like,

794
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 2: how how much these final four games with Philip Rivers matter?

795
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: Like if you're comparing a four game river sample size

796
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: to what eight years and three months of Chris Ballard

797
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 2: and in Shane's case whatever it would be two years

798
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: and three months or yeah, like that to me is

799
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 2: where I don't think it really should matter. But I

800
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 2: also am like it is a bottom line business. It

801
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: comes down to wins, losses, division titles, playoff appearances, playoff wins.

802
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: I mean, that's as much as we decipher it all,

803
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: that's what it comes down to. And that's why yesterday

804
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 2: stings so much because you just can't you're not in

805
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 2: a position of you're not I'm trying to think who's

806
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 2: in a really good position right now.

807
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: You're not in whatever New England cipher.

808
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,919
Speaker 2: Right where you have a multi divisional game lead and

809
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: you're decimated injury wise. I mean, the culture down six

810
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 2: of their what ten twelve most important players yesterday.

811
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: And yet all that played out.

812
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 3: So yeah, it sucks, it really does, all right. BK

813
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 3: rounds us out with Twitter questions, which with when he says,

814
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 3: when was the last time Ballard's defense closed out a game?

815
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 2: Boy, it's a that's a good question. I mean, I

816
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 2: definitely remember Ebicom last year. I think it was last year, right,

817
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 2: or the tears Achilles. I'm trying to think of the

818
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield game whenever they played here, or Mayfield got

819
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 2: hurt early in the game, Trass had to come in.

820
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 2: They kind of botched a goal line. But I remember

821
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: Ebicom beating Tristan Wurf's for that. I mean, boy, yeah,

822
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: it's just I know the Arizona game.

823
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: You were definitely.

824
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 2: Fortunate to get a call go your way in that one.

825
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 2: But man Quitty pays just been so quiet and no

826
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 2: tackles for Locke, I believe as a team in the

827
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 2: second half. I think he had all five in the

828
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 2: first half. So yeah, that's that's probably DK's question. He

829
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 2: was probably one of the more damning elements. I think

830
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: of the Ballard era pass rush defense, that entire unit,

831
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 2: which you again so much of it was great yesterday

832
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 2: And yeah again, if Yesterday was a movie, mark it

833
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: was a movie you walk out of theater and tell

834
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: your friends to go see right, Yeah, you know that

835
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: was a fun movie.

836
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: You'll enjoy it. Cool story, kind of a quirky quarterback.

837
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 1: He's got kind of a funny twang and doesn't.

838
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 3: Really cost this kid friendly, doesn't swear PG exactly.

839
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, bring bring the entire household.

840
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 3: But if your kids are gonna start saying dad Gummett

841
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 3: every time.

842
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 1: Wait, what do you say on the playground today?

843
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 2: Oh?

844
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: Dad gummet? Okay, where do you learn that?

845
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 2: Well, it was just the movie. But if you're trying

846
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 2: to win in the National Football League, it's a very

847
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: sour ending.

848
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, very sour end.

849
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 3: And like I said, I mean you saw the high

850
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 3: of highs when you started seven to one, and you're like, Wow,

851
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 3: the Colts, it's all working. This is what we've been

852
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 3: waiting for. And boy, that NFL can turn on a dime,

853
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 3: because now you're the other side and you're just like,

854
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 3: what are we doing? We're back to square one again,

855
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 3: who's our quarterback? We have no first round picks? Are

856
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 3: as a GM and the head coach going to stick around?

857
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,720
Speaker 3: What is this defense that's happening in the last two minutes.

858
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 3: It's disgusting. It's a disgusting feeling. And I feel for

859
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 3: Colts fans and everything because they've been through the ring

860
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 3: of the last decade plus and doesn't seem like that's

861
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 3: changing anytime soon. Because there's a lot of questions here.

862
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 3: I'm sure you're getting fielded. Those questions now are like

863
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 3: do they try to recoup some first round picks and

864
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 3: trade guys like Jonathan Taylor to Forest Buckner and all

865
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 3: that stuff. And I'm like, yeah, I don't know the

866
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 3: answer right now. I don't think the Colts know the

867
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 3: answer right now. You got to play these games out

868
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,439
Speaker 3: and see what happens. But something has to be done,

869
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 3: and I'm not sure exactly what that's going to be.

870
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: Mark Dacton, as always, thank you, sir, Thank you. Marks.

871
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: Bears in great position there in the NFC, and we

872
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 2: will be back on Wednesday, Wednesday, no Thursday this week

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Speaker 2: right Monday night game. So yeah, Colts are pushing everything

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Speaker 2: back a day inevitably. I think we'll get some Anthony

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Speaker 2: Richardson questions. Always been under the impression not to expect

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Speaker 2: his return eminently. I think, like last week, I know,

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Speaker 2: I think I put out a video or at least

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Speaker 2: a picture that he was out of practice, and the

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Speaker 2: vibe I got from people was like, oh, Wow, there

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Speaker 2: he is. Like I didn't know he was coming out

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Speaker 2: to practice today.

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Speaker 3: It's like Bigfoot coming out through the woods, Like heck.

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Speaker 2: Not something that they'd been planning for, I guess, or

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Speaker 2: necessarily expecting. So, I mean, unless things have changed in

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Speaker 2: a hurry, my expectation is it'll be Philip Rivers starting

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Speaker 2: on Monday nights, Mark deecton, thank you, thank you, or

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Speaker 2: signing off Colt's Corner with Kevin Bowen