Speaker 1: Live, Rumball, Heartbyer and the Crossroads of America. It's Tony
Speaker 1: Katz today.
Speaker 2: So we have a deal with a Ran and now
Speaker 2: there's peace in our time. Hold on, hold on, I've
Speaker 2: heard that before. I have a hard time trust in
Speaker 2: guys named Neville. It's an occupational hazard.
Speaker 1: I guess.
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Speaker 1: You find it at Tony Kats. It's not a deal.
Speaker 1: It's not a deal. I don't know what what we're thinking,
Speaker 1: what we what we actually believe here? But what if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong? And I had to ask myself that question earlier.
Speaker 1: You take a look at what.
Speaker 2: Has just happened with we're gonna open up the strait
Speaker 2: of our moves and I Ran agrees to this, and
Speaker 2: a Rand agrees to that, And you say to yourself,
Speaker 2: Iran doesn't agree to any How can I Ran possibly
Speaker 2: agree to anything? Iran can't agree because Iran doesn't have control,
Speaker 2: the IRGC has control any amount of leadership. You want
Speaker 2: to talk about You can talk about it from now
Speaker 2: and to the end of time. They don't have control.
Speaker 1: The fig minister doesn't have control, The president doesn't have control,
Speaker 1: The Iatola doesn't have control.
Speaker 2: Because the Iatola clearly has no control. I don't believe
Speaker 2: the Iatola is alive. By the way, the old Iatola
Speaker 2: is dead. The new Iatola I don't think is alive either.
Speaker 2: Any conversation they have is these are frauds for people,
Speaker 2: So why would I trust them?
Speaker 1: No. I would put forth to you.
Speaker 2: That there is no top leadership, and the top leadership
Speaker 2: that may exist has no control of the Islamic Revolutionary
Speaker 2: Guard Corps. And I put forth to you that the
Speaker 2: Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps has no connection to each other,
Speaker 2: none whatsoever, zero connection to each other.
Speaker 1: They are acting independently.
Speaker 2: They are acting in their own self interest, and they
Speaker 2: are acting well as radical ideologues would act.
Speaker 1: They want destruction.
Speaker 2: We understand the rational mind that they want no deal whatsoever.
Speaker 2: Anybody who thinks that Iran wants a deal is out
Speaker 2: of their head. Iran wants destruction of Western civilization period.
Speaker 1: End of discussion. We can move on from that. But
Speaker 1: I have to ask myself a question, what is it
Speaker 1: that I'm looking at?
Speaker 2: What is it that we are all seeing? What is
Speaker 2: it that we are all dealing with here? What started this? Well,
Speaker 2: what started this was a NonStop bombardment campaign that then
Speaker 2: led to, Hey, they asked us not to and they're
Speaker 2: gonna make a deal and we get a memorandum of understanding.
Speaker 2: The memorandum of understanding is we said was nonsense. We
Speaker 2: said it from the beginning. There was nothing there that
Speaker 2: was legitimate.
Speaker 1: Nothing there that was real, nothing there that we should
Speaker 1: hang our hat on, move on, move on. Now.
Speaker 2: Some people said, well, the memorandum of understanding allows them
Speaker 2: to get a lot of money, so it's nothing that's legitimate.
Speaker 2: I thought that was a legitimate argument that what happens
Speaker 2: in this memorandum of understanding is that they're able to
Speaker 2: get access to cash because we're going to take off
Speaker 2: the economic blockade allowing them to sell oil billions of dollars.
Speaker 2: We shouldn't allow them a single dime, let them starve economically,
Speaker 2: and then what do they do.
Speaker 1: They screw it all up. They screw it all up,
Speaker 1: because how could they not screw it all up? This
Speaker 1: is who they are, This is what they do. They
Speaker 1: can't make a deal.
Speaker 2: Deals mean they can't do what they want, which is
Speaker 2: destroy Western civilization and bring about.
Speaker 1: Islam across the globe. This is the desire, you say
Speaker 1: to me, Tony, there are other Islamic nations that they're attacking.
Speaker 1: Don't we understand that that part is inconsequential. Of course,
Speaker 1: they'll attack other Islamic nations. They'll decide that that one
Speaker 1: isn't doing it right, and that one isn't doing it right.
Speaker 1: No one ever discusses the Soni Shia fights, et cetera.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say no one, not enough people. So the
Speaker 1: MoU gets blown up, and so what do we start doing.
Speaker 2: We put back the economic blockade and then bam pow ping.
Speaker 2: It's like Batman meets Joe Peshi. We're knocking the snot
Speaker 2: out of people. Things are blown up, getting destroyed. And
Speaker 2: then you hear that President Trump is willing to go
Speaker 2: all the way. He is willing to knock out the
Speaker 2: desalinization plants. He's willing to knock out the power plants.
Speaker 2: He's willing to knock out the bridges, he's willing to
Speaker 2: knock out infrastructure.
Speaker 1: He's willing to cripple the region. I'm willing to make
Speaker 1: a deal, and then you don't make a deal.
Speaker 2: I'm not putting up with that. And that led to
Speaker 2: this talk before the weekend. He was getting him harder
Speaker 2: than ever before. But what happened, well, magically, I say
Speaker 2: magically because we have all seen this story numerous times. Magically,
Speaker 2: what happens is that all the neighboring countries.
Speaker 1: They came to the President and they said, let's not
Speaker 1: let's not have you do this and take out this,
Speaker 1: and take out that, and take out the other, and.
Speaker 2: We'll get Iran to the table. And Iran will come
Speaker 2: to the table, and the Strait of Our Moves will
Speaker 2: be open for sixty days and you'll see oil prices
Speaker 2: go down, and this will be great.
Speaker 1: And Iran says, we'll make the deal. NEEDSRAELI seem fine
Speaker 1: with the deal, the President writing that the country of
Speaker 1: Israel joins me in this commitment of the immediate, complete
Speaker 1: and total opening of the Straight of hor Moves and
Speaker 1: an end to Iran's nuclear threat. Based on this request,
Speaker 1: I have agreed, writes the President, for the future benefit
Speaker 1: of the world, and likewise, the survival of a successful
Speaker 1: and prosperous Iran to cancel the attack, and the decision
Speaker 1: is contingent on the parties being able to quote rapidly
Speaker 1: make a deal.
Speaker 2: To that moment, I first tweeted out if you follow
Speaker 2: me on X, I said, deja vu all over again.
Speaker 1: We've been down this road. Something different. What in the
Speaker 1: world is different? It's it's like Malcolm Gladwell's blink like
Speaker 1: I know it's different, but I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: And maybe it's not different. Maybe I'm different. Something is
Speaker 1: different in this And I stopped myself and I said,
Speaker 1: what is it that I'm looking at here? This makes
Speaker 1: no sense. This is the same old stuff, the same
Speaker 1: old song and dance. Why would you believe it? And
Speaker 1: I read and I'm looking and I'm paying attention to
Speaker 1: this one, that one the other one. And I said
Speaker 1: to myself, perhaps what is different here?
Speaker 2: And I ask you only not necessarily for agreement, but
Speaker 2: at least the acceptance of what is possible.
Speaker 1: I say to myself, what if I'm looking at this
Speaker 1: all wrong? And what if I'm looking at.
Speaker 2: The deal all wrong? What if no one is trying
Speaker 2: to make a deal with the Iranian regime. I am
Speaker 2: accurate in my assessment. I would take this on with
Speaker 2: anybody anywhere, at any time. The Iranian so called leadership
Speaker 2: doesn't exist. It has no control over the IRGC, none whatsoever.
Speaker 2: The IRGC is acting as independent factions, not one group
Speaker 2: of the IERGC or faction of the IRGC having any
Speaker 2: level of control or even connection with another. Everyone acting
Speaker 2: in their own self interest for their own ideological goals,
Speaker 2: whether that is dollars or whether that is a caliphate. Right,
Speaker 2: so everybody is acting the way they want to act.
Speaker 2: You can't make a deal with the IERGC at all.
Speaker 2: The leadership has no control of the IERGC, so a
Speaker 2: deal with them is meaningless. What if that's not where
Speaker 2: the deal is? Follow me here. I don't say I've
Speaker 2: got it perfect. I am asking a question of whether
Speaker 2: or not I'm onto something.
Speaker 1: And I know you're.
Speaker 2: Used to a lot of guys on radio always saying
Speaker 2: that they've got this and they know that and they're
Speaker 2: the experts.
Speaker 1: Oh they're sure. It's like the influencer class. They're an
Speaker 1: exp on this.
Speaker 2: Thing until social media is talking about something else two
Speaker 2: days from now, and then they're an expert on that thing.
Speaker 2: Boring as hell?
Speaker 1: What if the deal that is being made has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with Iran and it has to do with
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, the UAE Baghram, Jordan, etc. What if that's
Speaker 1: the deal.
Speaker 2: I discuss ending the regime. I'm a believer in regime change.
Speaker 2: I get that some people disagree with me. I believe
Speaker 2: that's the only way this group can be handled. We
Speaker 2: have discussed that when the US hits Iran, Iran doesn't
Speaker 2: hit Israel.
Speaker 1: No, what Iran does is Iran hits everybody else around them.
Speaker 1: They hit their so called allies.
Speaker 2: Friends, like minded brethren, at least if you want to
Speaker 2: talk about being Muslim or Islamists, not in every case,
Speaker 2: in some cases Islamist. And you say why would they
Speaker 2: hit those people, Well, the answer is you hit these
Speaker 2: people so they will put pressure on the United States
Speaker 2: to stop bombing them. Hey, you're hitting Iran.
Speaker 1: Iran is hitting us.
Speaker 2: Would you please stop hitting them so they would stop
Speaker 2: hitting us. They are trying to engage their own level
Speaker 2: of protection and Iran being more and more backed into
Speaker 2: a corner. What will an animal do backed into a corner?
Speaker 1: Will lash out? You knew this without me telling you,
Speaker 1: So what other lash outs? Are going to happen. You
Speaker 1: think it's just going to be hitting US bases and Jordan.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it's going to be going after their
Speaker 2: critical infrastructure.
Speaker 1: Iran can still do this.
Speaker 2: It's a great example, by the way, a messaging of
Speaker 2: if you think that Iran is bad, now is a problem. Now,
Speaker 2: can still engage in threats now? Can still try and
Speaker 2: decide the landscape? Now, imagine what happens if they had
Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon. You have to be out of your
Speaker 2: mind to think that letting.
Speaker 1: Iran get close to a nuclear weapon or thinking about
Speaker 1: a nuclear weapon is okay.
Speaker 2: You have to be certifiably insane. Oh hi, Marjorie Taylor Green,
Speaker 2: how you doing?
Speaker 1: No? I I wasn't really talking about you. I was
Speaker 1: just talking about people who are criminally insane. I see
Speaker 1: where you can be confused. You cannot let them get close,
Speaker 1: you can't. Now.
Speaker 2: I do agree that Iran has been at war with
Speaker 2: US for forty seven years.
Speaker 1: We don't have to be at war with Iran. Iran
Speaker 1: is at war with us.
Speaker 2: So what idea could we possibly have of saying they're
Speaker 2: not a threat to us, They're not.
Speaker 1: A problem to us. Oh, it's no big deal.
Speaker 2: It's some of the most embarrassing childlike silly talk I
Speaker 2: have ever witnessed.
Speaker 1: Oh hey, Tucker, no, I was talking about child like
Speaker 1: silly talk. But I see where you could have thought
Speaker 1: I was talking about you. Miss You don't know what happens.
Speaker 1: I hope you figure it out. So what if the
Speaker 1: deal goes like this?
Speaker 2: These other nations don't want to get hit, they don't
Speaker 2: want to have any threat to their critical infrastructure. They
Speaker 2: need another way. We start with Major Mike Lyons, retired
Speaker 2: United States Army military analysts you here on the show
Speaker 2: very often talking about the idea of siege.
Speaker 1: He said, we need a siege, the economic blockade, keeping
Speaker 1: them locked in, letting them fall apart, feeling the economic crunch,
Speaker 1: and you should continue the bombing. That's what he said.
Speaker 1: But what if you have this, You keep up the economic.
Speaker 2: Blockades, you don't allow them to sell any oil, you
Speaker 2: don't allow any money to get to the terrorist groups,
Speaker 2: you don't allow them to function. They slowly start to
Speaker 2: crack under that pressure. You stop the bombing. So Iran
Speaker 2: will stop the bombing.
Speaker 1: But you say to.
Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia, to Bachraine, to the UAE, to Jordan, what's
Speaker 2: in it for us?
Speaker 1: What do we get? What if that's the way the
Speaker 1: deal goes, now we can have a real deep conversation
Speaker 1: about what do we get. I can give a couple suggestions.
Speaker 1: I don't have the answer. I can give a couple
Speaker 1: of ideas. Number one, the commitment of troops to go
Speaker 1: into Iran to end the IRGC. Saudi troops, UAE troops,
Speaker 1: Bakran troops, Jordanian troops. They go in. Maybe they work
Speaker 1: with the Kurds. Maybe it's about them putting up the
Speaker 1: money to give the get the guns to the Curds
Speaker 1: so the Kurds can take out the IRGC and the
Speaker 1: people can rise up. Maybe a oil We already see
Speaker 1: cracks and divisions amongst opek. We already see these changes
Speaker 1: happening from nations that want to make their money now
Speaker 1: and they don't a half to wait it out twenty
Speaker 1: or thirty years, and they don't want other people out
Speaker 1: there deciding what the cost of oil should be. So
Speaker 1: it could be oil, it could be troops, and it
Speaker 1: could be that I'm wrong about both. Because less than
Speaker 1: an hour from when I started talking, President Trump put
Speaker 1: out on.
Speaker 2: True Social oh crap, Iranian leadership is unbelievably duplicitous. They
Speaker 2: ask for a meeting, some would say beg talks begin
Speaker 2: with more schedule than the immediate future, and they say
Speaker 2: openly and proudly that they're not having any discussions, that
Speaker 2: nothing is being talked about, and they're only dealing with Oman.
Speaker 2: Then they go on to give their usual blatherer in
Speaker 2: saying the Straight of Hormuz will be operated powerfully by
Speaker 2: them when it is already completely controlled by the United
Speaker 2: States Navy in our blockade, or as some say, the
Speaker 2: United States Wall of Steel.
Speaker 1: I have not heard anybody say the United States Wall
Speaker 1: of steel. That's awesome. Quote. Nothing gets through to Iran
Speaker 1: unless we want it to, and nothing will get through
Speaker 1: unless a deal or total surrender is accomplished. Now he
Speaker 1: hasn't said the words I want to make sure I'm
Speaker 1: clear on this.
Speaker 2: Someone double check me, Beth in the chat, get on it.
Speaker 2: He hasn't said the words total surrender in a while.
Speaker 2: That was talk in the beginning. He hasn't said that
Speaker 2: in a while. Nothing will get through, writes President Trump
Speaker 2: unless a deal or total surrender is accomplished.
Speaker 1: Quote, whether Iran wants to admit it or not.
Speaker 2: We are in fact talking of a solution to a
Speaker 2: problem that they have caused for decades.
Speaker 1: It is very simple.
Speaker 2: Iran will never have a nuclear weapon. Thank you for
Speaker 2: your attention to this matter, President Donald J.
Speaker 1: Trump. Maybe that just takes my entire conversation, throws it away.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it proves the conversation true.
Speaker 2: We are in fact talking of a solution to a
Speaker 2: problem that they have caused for decades.
Speaker 1: He can be talking about it with the Iranians or
Speaker 1: whoever in the Iranian government. He could be talking about
Speaker 1: it with others. He could be talking to two different
Speaker 1: groups of people at the same time. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I'm right. I don't think i'm wrong. Who said
Speaker 1: the deal had to be with Iran? Maybe that is
Speaker 1: where the real deal making is. I'm Tony Katz, and
Speaker 1: this is Tony Katz today.