WEBVTT - Tony Katz on the U.S. Considering Deals with Iran Again

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<v Speaker 1>Live, Rumball, Heartbyer and the Crossroads of America. It's Tony

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<v Speaker 1>Katz today.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have a deal with a Ran and now

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<v Speaker 2>there's peace in our time. Hold on, hold on, I've

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<v Speaker 2>heard that before. I have a hard time trust in

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<v Speaker 2>guys named Neville. It's an occupational hazard.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>Tony Kats, Tony Kats today, guys, good.

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<v Speaker 1>To be with You Find everything I do over at

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Katz dot com, live streaming, YouTube and Rumble, Tony

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<v Speaker 1>You find it at Tony Kats. It's not a deal.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a deal. I don't know what what we're thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>what we what we actually believe here? But what if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wrong? And I had to ask myself that question earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>You take a look at what.

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<v Speaker 2>Has just happened with we're gonna open up the strait

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<v Speaker 2>of our moves and I Ran agrees to this, and

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<v Speaker 2>a Rand agrees to that, And you say to yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>Iran doesn't agree to any How can I Ran possibly

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<v Speaker 2>agree to anything? Iran can't agree because Iran doesn't have control,

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<v Speaker 2>the IRGC has control any amount of leadership. You want

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about You can talk about it from now

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<v Speaker 2>and to the end of time. They don't have control.

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<v Speaker 1>The fig minister doesn't have control, The president doesn't have control,

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<v Speaker 1>The Iatola doesn't have control.

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<v Speaker 2>Because the Iatola clearly has no control. I don't believe

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<v Speaker 2>the Iatola is alive. By the way, the old Iatola

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<v Speaker 2>is dead. The new Iatola I don't think is alive either.

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<v Speaker 2>Any conversation they have is these are frauds for people,

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<v Speaker 2>So why would I trust them?

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<v Speaker 1>No. I would put forth to you.

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<v Speaker 2>That there is no top leadership, and the top leadership

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<v Speaker 2>that may exist has no control of the Islamic Revolutionary

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<v Speaker 2>Guard Corps. And I put forth to you that the

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<v Speaker 2>Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps has no connection to each other,

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<v Speaker 2>none whatsoever, zero connection to each other.

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<v Speaker 1>They are acting independently.

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<v Speaker 2>They are acting in their own self interest, and they

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<v Speaker 2>are acting well as radical ideologues would act.

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<v Speaker 1>They want destruction.

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<v Speaker 2>We understand the rational mind that they want no deal whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 2>Anybody who thinks that Iran wants a deal is out

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<v Speaker 2>of their head. Iran wants destruction of Western civilization period.

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<v Speaker 1>End of discussion. We can move on from that. But

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<v Speaker 1>I have to ask myself a question, what is it

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm looking at?

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<v Speaker 2>What is it that we are all seeing? What is

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<v Speaker 2>it that we are all dealing with here? What started this? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>what started this was a NonStop bombardment campaign that then

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<v Speaker 2>led to, Hey, they asked us not to and they're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna make a deal and we get a memorandum of understanding.

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<v Speaker 2>The memorandum of understanding is we said was nonsense. We

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<v Speaker 2>said it from the beginning. There was nothing there that

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<v Speaker 2>was legitimate.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing there that was real, nothing there that we should

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<v Speaker 1>hang our hat on, move on, move on. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people said, well, the memorandum of understanding allows them

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<v Speaker 2>to get a lot of money, so it's nothing that's legitimate.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that was a legitimate argument that what happens

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<v Speaker 2>in this memorandum of understanding is that they're able to

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<v Speaker 2>get access to cash because we're going to take off

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<v Speaker 2>the economic blockade allowing them to sell oil billions of dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>We shouldn't allow them a single dime, let them starve economically,

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<v Speaker 2>and then what do they do.

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<v Speaker 1>They screw it all up. They screw it all up,

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<v Speaker 1>because how could they not screw it all up? This

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<v Speaker 1>is who they are, This is what they do. They

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<v Speaker 1>can't make a deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Deals mean they can't do what they want, which is

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<v Speaker 2>destroy Western civilization and bring about.

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<v Speaker 1>Islam across the globe. This is the desire, you say

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<v Speaker 1>to me, Tony, there are other Islamic nations that they're attacking.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't we understand that that part is inconsequential. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll attack other Islamic nations. They'll decide that that one

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<v Speaker 1>isn't doing it right, and that one isn't doing it right.

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<v Speaker 1>No one ever discusses the Soni Shia fights, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't say no one, not enough people. So the

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<v Speaker 1>MoU gets blown up, and so what do we start doing.

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<v Speaker 2>We put back the economic blockade and then bam pow ping.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like Batman meets Joe Peshi. We're knocking the snot

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<v Speaker 2>out of people. Things are blown up, getting destroyed. And

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<v Speaker 2>then you hear that President Trump is willing to go

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<v Speaker 2>all the way. He is willing to knock out the

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<v Speaker 2>desalinization plants. He's willing to knock out the power plants.

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<v Speaker 2>He's willing to knock out the bridges, he's willing to

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<v Speaker 2>knock out infrastructure.

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<v Speaker 1>He's willing to cripple the region. I'm willing to make

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<v Speaker 1>a deal, and then you don't make a deal.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not putting up with that. And that led to

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<v Speaker 2>this talk before the weekend. He was getting him harder

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<v Speaker 2>than ever before. But what happened, well, magically, I say

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<v Speaker 2>magically because we have all seen this story numerous times. Magically,

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<v Speaker 2>what happens is that all the neighboring countries.

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<v Speaker 1>They came to the President and they said, let's not

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<v Speaker 1>let's not have you do this and take out this,

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<v Speaker 1>and take out that, and take out the other, and.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get Iran to the table. And Iran will come

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<v Speaker 2>to the table, and the Strait of Our Moves will

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<v Speaker 2>be open for sixty days and you'll see oil prices

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<v Speaker 2>go down, and this will be great.

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<v Speaker 1>And Iran says, we'll make the deal. NEEDSRAELI seem fine

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<v Speaker 1>with the deal, the President writing that the country of

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<v Speaker 1>Israel joins me in this commitment of the immediate, complete

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<v Speaker 1>and total opening of the Straight of hor Moves and

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<v Speaker 1>an end to Iran's nuclear threat. Based on this request,

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<v Speaker 1>I have agreed, writes the President, for the future benefit

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<v Speaker 1>of the world, and likewise, the survival of a successful

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<v Speaker 1>and prosperous Iran to cancel the attack, and the decision

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<v Speaker 1>is contingent on the parties being able to quote rapidly

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<v Speaker 1>make a deal.

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<v Speaker 2>To that moment, I first tweeted out if you follow

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<v Speaker 2>me on X, I said, deja vu all over again.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been down this road. Something different. What in the

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<v Speaker 1>world is different? It's it's like Malcolm Gladwell's blink like

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's different, but I don't know what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe it's not different. Maybe I'm different. Something is

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<v Speaker 1>different in this And I stopped myself and I said,

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<v Speaker 1>what is it that I'm looking at here? This makes

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<v Speaker 1>no sense. This is the same old stuff, the same

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<v Speaker 1>old song and dance. Why would you believe it? And

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<v Speaker 1>I read and I'm looking and I'm paying attention to

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<v Speaker 1>this one, that one the other one. And I said

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<v Speaker 1>to myself, perhaps what is different here?

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<v Speaker 2>And I ask you only not necessarily for agreement, but

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<v Speaker 2>at least the acceptance of what is possible.

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<v Speaker 1>I say to myself, what if I'm looking at this

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<v Speaker 1>all wrong? And what if I'm looking at.

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<v Speaker 2>The deal all wrong? What if no one is trying

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<v Speaker 2>to make a deal with the Iranian regime. I am

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<v Speaker 2>accurate in my assessment. I would take this on with

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<v Speaker 2>anybody anywhere, at any time. The Iranian so called leadership

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't exist. It has no control over the IRGC, none whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 2>The IRGC is acting as independent factions, not one group

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<v Speaker 2>of the IERGC or faction of the IRGC having any

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<v Speaker 2>level of control or even connection with another. Everyone acting

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<v Speaker 2>in their own self interest for their own ideological goals,

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<v Speaker 2>whether that is dollars or whether that is a caliphate. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>so everybody is acting the way they want to act.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't make a deal with the IERGC at all.

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<v Speaker 2>The leadership has no control of the IERGC, so a

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<v Speaker 2>deal with them is meaningless. What if that's not where

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<v Speaker 2>the deal is? Follow me here. I don't say I've

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<v Speaker 2>got it perfect. I am asking a question of whether

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<v Speaker 2>or not I'm onto something.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Used to a lot of guys on radio always saying

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<v Speaker 2>that they've got this and they know that and they're

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<v Speaker 2>the experts.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh they're sure. It's like the influencer class. They're an

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<v Speaker 1>exp on this.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing until social media is talking about something else two

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<v Speaker 2>days from now, and then they're an expert on that thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Boring as hell?

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<v Speaker 1>What if the deal that is being made has nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to do with Iran and it has to do with

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<v Speaker 1>Saudi Arabia, the UAE Baghram, Jordan, etc. What if that's

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<v Speaker 1>the deal.

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<v Speaker 2>I discuss ending the regime. I'm a believer in regime change.

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<v Speaker 2>I get that some people disagree with me. I believe

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<v Speaker 2>that's the only way this group can be handled. We

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<v Speaker 2>have discussed that when the US hits Iran, Iran doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>hit Israel.

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<v Speaker 1>No, what Iran does is Iran hits everybody else around them.

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<v Speaker 1>They hit their so called allies.

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<v Speaker 2>Friends, like minded brethren, at least if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about being Muslim or Islamists, not in every case,

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<v Speaker 2>in some cases Islamist. And you say why would they

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<v Speaker 2>hit those people, Well, the answer is you hit these

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<v Speaker 2>people so they will put pressure on the United States

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<v Speaker 2>to stop bombing them. Hey, you're hitting Iran.

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<v Speaker 1>Iran is hitting us.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you please stop hitting them so they would stop

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<v Speaker 2>hitting us. They are trying to engage their own level

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<v Speaker 2>of protection and Iran being more and more backed into

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<v Speaker 2>a corner. What will an animal do backed into a corner?

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<v Speaker 1>Will lash out? You knew this without me telling you,

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<v Speaker 1>So what other lash outs? Are going to happen. You

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<v Speaker 1>think it's just going to be hitting US bases and Jordan.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, it's going to be going after their

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<v Speaker 2>critical infrastructure.

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<v Speaker 1>Iran can still do this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great example, by the way, a messaging of

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<v Speaker 2>if you think that Iran is bad, now is a problem. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>can still engage in threats now? Can still try and

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<v Speaker 2>decide the landscape? Now, imagine what happens if they had

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<v Speaker 2>a nuclear weapon. You have to be out of your

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<v Speaker 2>mind to think that letting.

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<v Speaker 1>Iran get close to a nuclear weapon or thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>a nuclear weapon is okay.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to be certifiably insane. Oh hi, Marjorie Taylor Green,

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<v Speaker 2>how you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>No? I I wasn't really talking about you. I was

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<v Speaker 1>just talking about people who are criminally insane. I see

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<v Speaker 1>where you can be confused. You cannot let them get close,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I do agree that Iran has been at war with

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<v Speaker 2>US for forty seven years.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have to be at war with Iran. Iran

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<v Speaker 1>is at war with us.

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<v Speaker 2>So what idea could we possibly have of saying they're

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<v Speaker 2>not a threat to us, They're not.

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<v Speaker 1>A problem to us. Oh, it's no big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>It's some of the most embarrassing childlike silly talk I

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<v Speaker 2>have ever witnessed.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh hey, Tucker, no, I was talking about child like

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<v Speaker 1>silly talk. But I see where you could have thought

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<v Speaker 1>I was talking about you. Miss You don't know what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you figure it out. So what if the

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<v Speaker 1>deal goes like this?

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<v Speaker 2>These other nations don't want to get hit, they don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to have any threat to their critical infrastructure. They

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<v Speaker 2>need another way. We start with Major Mike Lyons, retired

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<v Speaker 2>United States Army military analysts you here on the show

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<v Speaker 2>very often talking about the idea of siege.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, we need a siege, the economic blockade, keeping

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<v Speaker 1>them locked in, letting them fall apart, feeling the economic crunch,

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<v Speaker 1>and you should continue the bombing. That's what he said.

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<v Speaker 1>But what if you have this, You keep up the economic.

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<v Speaker 2>Blockades, you don't allow them to sell any oil, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't allow any money to get to the terrorist groups,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't allow them to function. They slowly start to

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<v Speaker 2>crack under that pressure. You stop the bombing. So Iran

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<v Speaker 2>will stop the bombing.

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<v Speaker 1>But you say to.

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<v Speaker 2>Saudi Arabia, to Bachraine, to the UAE, to Jordan, what's

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<v Speaker 2>in it for us?

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<v Speaker 1>What do we get? What if that's the way the

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<v Speaker 1>deal goes, now we can have a real deep conversation

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<v Speaker 1>about what do we get. I can give a couple suggestions.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have the answer. I can give a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of ideas. Number one, the commitment of troops to go

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<v Speaker 1>into Iran to end the IRGC. Saudi troops, UAE troops,

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<v Speaker 1>Bakran troops, Jordanian troops. They go in. Maybe they work

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<v Speaker 1>with the Kurds. Maybe it's about them putting up the

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<v Speaker 1>money to give the get the guns to the Curds

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<v Speaker 1>so the Kurds can take out the IRGC and the

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<v Speaker 1>people can rise up. Maybe a oil We already see

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<v Speaker 1>cracks and divisions amongst opek. We already see these changes

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<v Speaker 1>happening from nations that want to make their money now

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<v Speaker 1>and they don't a half to wait it out twenty

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<v Speaker 1>or thirty years, and they don't want other people out

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<v Speaker 1>there deciding what the cost of oil should be. So

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<v Speaker 1>it could be oil, it could be troops, and it

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<v Speaker 1>could be that I'm wrong about both. Because less than

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<v Speaker 1>an hour from when I started talking, President Trump put

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<v Speaker 1>out on.

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<v Speaker 2>True Social oh crap, Iranian leadership is unbelievably duplicitous. They

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<v Speaker 2>ask for a meeting, some would say beg talks begin

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<v Speaker 2>with more schedule than the immediate future, and they say

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<v Speaker 2>openly and proudly that they're not having any discussions, that

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<v Speaker 2>nothing is being talked about, and they're only dealing with Oman.

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<v Speaker 2>Then they go on to give their usual blatherer in

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<v Speaker 2>saying the Straight of Hormuz will be operated powerfully by

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<v Speaker 2>them when it is already completely controlled by the United

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<v Speaker 2>States Navy in our blockade, or as some say, the

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<v Speaker 2>United States Wall of Steel.

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<v Speaker 1>I have not heard anybody say the United States Wall

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<v Speaker 1>of steel. That's awesome. Quote. Nothing gets through to Iran

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<v Speaker 1>unless we want it to, and nothing will get through

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<v Speaker 1>unless a deal or total surrender is accomplished. Now he

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't said the words I want to make sure I'm

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<v Speaker 1>clear on this.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone double check me, Beth in the chat, get on it.

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<v Speaker 2>He hasn't said the words total surrender in a while.

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<v Speaker 2>That was talk in the beginning. He hasn't said that

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<v Speaker 2>in a while. Nothing will get through, writes President Trump

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<v Speaker 2>unless a deal or total surrender is accomplished.

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<v Speaker 1>Quote, whether Iran wants to admit it or not.

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<v Speaker 2>We are in fact talking of a solution to a

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<v Speaker 2>problem that they have caused for decades.

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<v Speaker 1>It is very simple.

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<v Speaker 2>Iran will never have a nuclear weapon. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>your attention to this matter, President Donald J.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump. Maybe that just takes my entire conversation, throws it away.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe it proves the conversation true.

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<v Speaker 2>We are in fact talking of a solution to a

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<v Speaker 2>problem that they have caused for decades.

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<v Speaker 1>He can be talking about it with the Iranians or

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<v Speaker 1>whoever in the Iranian government. He could be talking about

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<v Speaker 1>it with others. He could be talking to two different

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<v Speaker 1>groups of people at the same time. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm right. I don't think i'm wrong. Who said

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<v Speaker 1>the deal had to be with Iran? Maybe that is

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<v Speaker 1>where the real deal making is. I'm Tony Katz, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is Tony Katz today.