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Speaker 2: Case?

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Speaker 3: Well, it looks like, according to the Wall Street Journal,

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Speaker 1: I had a conversation with somebody recently about just this,

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Speaker 2: The need we're.

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Speaker 1: Talking specifically about Indiana where the Democrats to get their

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Speaker 1: which is the reason the Republicans behave as poorly as

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Speaker 1: Diego Morales just to wander the state halls without any

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Speaker 1: The Republicans know the Democrats are so radical and come

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Speaker 1: the way they've gerrymandered the district, et cetera, that they're

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Speaker 2: And as long as the.

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Speaker 1: Democrats make the Republicans invincible, we're going to keep getting screwed, right.

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Speaker 3: Because they have a super majority, they can do what

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Speaker 2: And then if you extrapolate that out nationally.

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Speaker 1: Now, obviously they're not super majorities in either the House

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Speaker 1: Republican brand. Know, they're people who are invested in Trump

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Speaker 1: You saw that in the down ballot races in twenty

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Speaker 3: Okay, so speaking of that polling, this is from the

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Speaker 2: What's the favorable number?

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Speaker 3: Eight percent? No way, Yeah, it's the lowest level they've

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Speaker 2: That is horrible, and you know you have.

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Speaker 1: Major issues. Well, that's let's be let's be specific. That's

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Speaker 1: very favorably. There are people who would view them some

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Speaker 1: essentially meaning that you are losing twenty percent of your

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Speaker 2: Correct, that's bad.

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Speaker 3: Republicans lead on eight out of ten key issues, and

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Speaker 1: So this is always my question with polling, like when

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't have a home. That's part of the problem.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So the net favorability for the Democrats is negative thirty,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you ran so far to the left on stuff

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Speaker 3: Tell them to use your your phrase. I'm I don't

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Speaker 3: Your stuff and then their name and then your name.

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Speaker 1: But he said, we were talking about, you know, running

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Speaker 2: Like you understand what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a tip for the Democrats. They need to

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Speaker 1: I am about to give the Democrats some totally free,

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Speaker 3: The thing with bi is he's got the name recognition.

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Speaker 1: He will He's not going to be Destiny Wells running

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Speaker 3: Here's one other one. This is marketing, one on one, expectation, realization, memory,

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Speaker 3: You got to wonder if you knew these articles were

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Speaker 1: No, I think he got mad at Indie Star because

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Speaker 3: Telling the world how old are you? Kevin? You're thirty,

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Speaker 2: To post your relationship statuses. Well, if you're posting about

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Speaker 3: The breakup, yeah, I don't know that. If you're crying online, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Back and forth. Maybe the person is just trying to

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Speaker 3: No, you need to get in there. You forgave them.

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Speaker 3: Now you're messing with my most Oh, it wasn't that

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Speaker 1: So I am not incorrect in viewing people in their

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Speaker 1: Then you realize, know that person hadn't been posting, and

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Speaker 3: Here you are.

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Speaker 1: You want people to know they engage with you again.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting you bring this up because the average American

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Speaker 3: No, I know, which is why I made sure my

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Speaker 1: So you do got to go so collect collectively, you

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Speaker 3: With the nap, it's probably closer to seven.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. That's good because you got to get the you

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Speaker 2: Okay, time out.

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Speaker 1: So this is why I was going to say, Okay,

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Speaker 2: But it's television.

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Speaker 3: See but it's streaming, right.

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Speaker 1: But see this, I don't watch television anymore. Everything I

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Speaker 3: They're they're they're calling it. Yeah. So fifty five percent

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Speaker 2: Okay, we got to take a break because we have

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Speaker 2: So the Star took a huge.

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Speaker 1: Giant dump all over Diego, Morales, double shot dump Kevin

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Speaker 1: Cue up the chicken sauce.

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, it's Kendall and Casey. It's ninety three wibc.

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Speaker 1: Hey, our old pals at the Indie Star are asking

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Speaker 2: Great piece right now, now, Look.

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Speaker 1: dump on Diego for one segment when we can dump

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Speaker 1: all over in for two. So next hour we'll get

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Speaker 1: into the Briggs Diego. You wanted to fight, buddy, you

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Speaker 1: want to fight, You got the fight.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he wanted to fight. I know

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Speaker 3: he wanted to do things and not be questioned.

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Speaker 2: And that's it.

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Speaker 1: This is and and the title of just to tease

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Speaker 1: what we'll get into Briggs, because it's a perfect headline,

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Speaker 1: Diego Morales's work ethic isn't the problem, it's his corruption. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we'll get into that later. But from a straight

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Speaker 1: news perspective, Haley Colombo has the peach. You can see

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Speaker 1: it now at ed Indy Starr on One of the

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Speaker 1: questions that we have asked for the past four months

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Speaker 1: is what does this guy Raju Shinhala, who has I

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Speaker 1: believe was eighty thousand dollars state contract with Diego Morales's office,

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Speaker 1: what does he do for this money?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? He was paid eight thousand dollars a month for

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Speaker 3: a ten month contract. And that was when when I

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Speaker 3: no big contract.

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Speaker 2: By the way, yes, and we.

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Speaker 1: Have now seen Indy reporter, I think was the guy

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Speaker 1: who got the con tract and put it out what

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Speaker 1: he's supposed to be doing, and none of that appears

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Speaker 1: to have anything to do with what the Secretary of

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Speaker 1: State's office actually is.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: When I asked Diego directly about it, Diego said he

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Speaker 1: works in the business services division. I said, what does

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Speaker 1: that mean? He checks on the businesses? I said, what

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Speaker 1: do you mean? He checks on the businesses like there's

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Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of businesses in this state. Does he

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Speaker 1: go to every door, Hey, is everyone okay in there?

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Speaker 1: Are you guys all right? What we do know, and

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Speaker 1: this is what the article centers around, is that Raju

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Speaker 1: went with Diego to India.

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Speaker 2: Yes, on this mysterious.

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Speaker 3: Trip economic development trip ten days where Diego won't tell

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Speaker 3: anybody who paid for the trip.

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Speaker 1: We also know, according to various social media posts of

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Speaker 1: the people who were in India at the time, that

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Speaker 1: a venture capitalist went with Diego and Raju as well.

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Speaker 2: And by, and this is the center part of the article.

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Speaker 1: Raju was bragging about selling EB five visa access with financing, yes,

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Speaker 1: while he was in India, And he just happened to

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Speaker 1: say he was going to be in the same place

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Speaker 1: where the Star report of Diego met with the mayor.

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Speaker 2: Correct, Like, you don't have to be a.

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Speaker 1: Rocket scientist to start putting all this together. That a

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Speaker 1: secretary of State disappears for ten days to a foreign

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Speaker 1: country doing something that he has no statutory authority to do,

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Speaker 1: and some guy with a mysterious state contract goes with him,

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Speaker 1: and oh, that guy's also selling EB five visa access

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Speaker 1: while he's there, and there just happens to be a

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Speaker 1: venture capitalist on the trip. With him like, you don't

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Speaker 1: have to be a rocket scientist to go Hey, there's

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Speaker 1: some red flags here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely so. In a March social media post, Rajuchinhala

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Speaker 3: posted that he would be in Hyderabat until March twenty

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Speaker 3: ninth if you'd like to meet to discuss EB five

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Speaker 3: and he also said hurry, they're going fast.

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Speaker 1: So what was interesting was I guess the star Haley

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Speaker 1: Columbo got a hold of Raju and he said, quote,

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Speaker 1: at all times, I remain mindful of the importance of

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Speaker 1: transparency and integrity in public service.

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Speaker 2: No, you haven't tell us who paid for the trip, Raju?

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Speaker 2: Who paid for Diego to go to India?

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Speaker 1: Who paid for you to go to Indian Who paid

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Speaker 1: for the venture capitalists to go to India? Who paid

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Speaker 1: for the tripp to India? That's transparency, that's integrity.

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Speaker 3: He said it was primarily a personal visit, but acknowledged

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Speaker 3: that he quote did assist in the planning and coordination

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Speaker 3: of the Secretary's conference attendance and other various meetings.

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Speaker 2: So he's admitting, Raju, he's double dipping.

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Speaker 1: He is in India selling these EB five visas, which

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Speaker 1: we know he's also then appearing to confirm I was

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Speaker 1: doing official contracted.

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Speaker 2: Duties, whatever those are.

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Speaker 1: And you don't have the right to know who paid

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Speaker 1: for this guy to get there. You don't have the

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Speaker 1: right to know who paid for Diego to get there.

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Speaker 1: And you don't have the right to know how this

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Speaker 1: venture capital guy factors into all of this. You don't

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Speaker 1: have the right to know it.

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Speaker 3: So Raj Dudchinhala he started promoting the EB five efforts

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Speaker 3: in late February, and it was on a now deactivated

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Speaker 3: Facebook page.

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Speaker 1: Julia Vaughan, who's with the group Government is Common Cause Indiana.

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Speaker 1: They're a government watchdog group. I thought her quote was

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Speaker 1: very interesting. She said, it's a bit like double dipping.

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Speaker 1: It appears the Secretary of State likes to surround himself

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Speaker 1: with people who certainly aren't afraid to mix personal business

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Speaker 1: with the state's business. You can't serve two masters. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's not appropriate setup to ensure the citizens get what

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Speaker 1: in this case Raju is getting paid for. We don't

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Speaker 1: know what Raju is getting paid for. And with Diego,

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Speaker 1: it is one red flag after another, over and over

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Speaker 1: and over and over and over and over and over again.

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Speaker 1: And he acts like we're the bad guys for pointing

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Speaker 1: it out, for asking the question. We want to know

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Speaker 1: who paid for this trip, and we want proof you

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Speaker 1: paid it back, and we want to know what this

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Speaker 1: guy Raju does for our money. See, the problem is

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Speaker 1: he doesn't view it as our money. He doesn't give

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Speaker 1: a damn about your money. He's gonna do whatever he's

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Speaker 1: gonna do. And he is using your money to run

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Speaker 1: a twenty four to seven campaign operation.

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Speaker 2: That's what he's doing.

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Speaker 1: He's using state tax money to run a twenty four

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Speaker 1: hour a day, seven day a week campaign operation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Chinhala said that his activities were educational and

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Speaker 3: unrelated to the state when he was there.

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Speaker 1: And this Lindsey Eton woman who responds to all of

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Speaker 1: these emails, she's the communications woman.

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Speaker 2: I want to feel bad.

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Speaker 1: I want to feel bad for her, but she knows

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Speaker 1: who she works for exactly.

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Speaker 3: So quit carry in the water.

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Speaker 1: And Lenny's responses are ridiculous, like that nonsensical response she

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Speaker 1: sent you and Tony about refusing to come on the

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Speaker 1: Diego's refusal to come on the show. Listen to this

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Speaker 1: and it's always the smell test, right, just you like,

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Speaker 1: does this sound right? The contractor They won't even say

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Speaker 1: his name.

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Speaker 3: I know they called him the contract Roger.

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Speaker 2: We know who he is. Rajushinhala is the guy's name.

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Speaker 2: That's his name.

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Speaker 1: Was not exclusively employed by the office, or subject to

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Speaker 1: restrictions on other activities or engagements, or privy to confidential information.

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Speaker 2: How do we know?

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Speaker 1: We don't know anything about this trip. You know what

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Speaker 1: we know about this trip what people in India who

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Speaker 1: are in attendance posted about public events.

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Speaker 2: That's it. That's what we know about this trip.

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Speaker 1: M M. And they act like like that is such

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Speaker 1: an insulting response to the taxpayers.

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Speaker 2: She should be ashamed of herself.

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Speaker 3: The contractor. That's where we should call him from now on.

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Speaker 3: The contractor sounds like a movie.

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Speaker 1: So good job on the indie star on digging into this,

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Speaker 1: Good job on them asking the hard questions. Everybody should

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Speaker 1: go read that article because the Secretary of State is again.

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Speaker 1: The headline from Briggs is perfect and we'll get into

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Speaker 1: it next hour. Because he takes a blowtorch to this guy.

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Speaker 1: Morales's work ethic isn't the problem, it's his correct and

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Speaker 1: everything Diego does, everything Diego does is about himself.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they've created a law to stop the no

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Speaker 3: bid contracts because it was getting out of hand.

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Speaker 1: It is just unbelievable that the Republican Party Braun Rokeeda,

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Speaker 1: Rokeeda knew what he was. That's why the paperwork showed

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Speaker 1: that when Diego worked for Roketi, he fired him.

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Speaker 3: He was fired, and now he's turning around endorsing him.

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Speaker 2: Braun.

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Speaker 3: Why what happened there?

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Speaker 2: Braun?

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Speaker 1: Rokeeda Micah Mike is the worst of them all. Because

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Speaker 1: Michael went on this radio show, No, I have such concerns,

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Speaker 1: I'm so worried about India. Yes, he needs the answer.

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Speaker 1: And then where's he ended up with at the NBA Finals?

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Speaker 1: Go to a basketball game with the guy? Then you

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Speaker 1: got the Speaker of the House, Houston, you got Rod Bray.

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Speaker 1: All these people know what he is. They all have

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Speaker 1: the ability to do something about it. They all have

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Speaker 1: the ability to four saints. Braun could put an end

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Speaker 1: to this tomorrow. Mike Braun could put an end to

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Speaker 1: this tomorrow by instructing the state Police to launch a

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Speaker 1: thorough investigation into this guy. They could get all the

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Speaker 1: answers that everybody's asking for. There's a reason Braun won't

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Speaker 1: do it, and I bet it's the same reason he

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Speaker 1: won't come clean on what happen with Tom Kleinelter or

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Speaker 1: the new state police superintendent, because they ain't gonna look good.

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Speaker 2: And only he's not gonna look good for Braun.

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Speaker 1: In this case with Diego, it's not gonna look good

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Speaker 1: for all these people. Where the money that touches Diego

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Speaker 1: touches these other politicians.

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Speaker 2: Let's just say the quiet part out loud. They know

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Speaker 2: what Diego is, Rokeeda.

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Speaker 1: Knows, Micah knows, Braun knows, Houston knows, Ray knows, the

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Speaker 1: entire building knows what that guy is.

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Speaker 2: And nobody will do anything about it.

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Speaker 1: Because money that touches him touches so many other people.

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00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: And instead of doing what's right for you, instead of

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Speaker 1: raising their hand and saying, you know what, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: do the right thing. Money be damned, political career be damned.

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00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: Look at how egregious the behavior that this guy is.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna do the right thing and get to the

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Speaker 1: bottom of this. They just sit there silently and allow

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Speaker 1: it to continue.

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Speaker 3: You're listening to Kennelly Casey. It is ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 1: Jason Hammer from the number one rated hammer in Nigel

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Speaker 1: Show joins us now and I know you, like me,

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00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: are a massive Chicago Cubs fan, and a rough day

636
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Speaker 1: for Cubs fans everywhere. I think you would say arguably

637
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: the most beloved Cubs certainly of the modern era.

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Speaker 2: The cable TV era.

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Speaker 4: Right right when cable TV first really started becoming mainstream.

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Speaker 4: You know, it was the superstation WGN. Those were the stations, right, TBS, WGN.

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00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 4: All the Braves games were on TBS, All the Cubs

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Speaker 4: games were on WGN.

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Speaker 2: So by default, if you were a sports.

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Speaker 4: Fan at all, you started to identify with a lot

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Speaker 4: of these people because they were on your TV all

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Speaker 4: the time. And as a Cub fan like Ryan Sandberg

647
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 4: was part of the group that was like my babysitter

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Speaker 4: growing up, because I'd go to my grandparents house. Both

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Speaker 4: of my parents worked, so I'd go to my grandparents'

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Speaker 4: house and they got this new thing called cable television,

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00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 4: so they plopped me right down in front of that den.

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00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 4: Harry Carey, Steve Stone, and Rydo were basically my babysitters

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Speaker 4: growing up.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's weird, Like Case said I were talking

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Speaker 1: about earlier to start the show, the Sandford thing. It

656
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: feels like a massive deal because you're right, millions of

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00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: people saw this guy every day because there were so

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Speaker 1: few options. I mean, obviously Cable you had, you know,

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Speaker 1: fifty sixty channels, but in terms of if you wanted

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00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: to watch baseball nationally, you really did have two options.

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Speaker 1: And the Cubs, because they were Chicago, had such a

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Speaker 1: loyal following that so many people. He was such an

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Speaker 1: integral part of their childhood.

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Speaker 4: And he was the perfect ambassador for it right like,

665
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Speaker 4: right place, right time. You could say the same thing

666
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 4: about hal Cogan right right place, right time when Cable

667
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 4: first started going into the mainstream. Hal Cogan was this

668
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 4: bigger than live character. And you know, USA was the

669
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Speaker 4: benefit factor of that same thing with WGN.

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Speaker 2: Here's this good looking guy.

671
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,959
Speaker 4: Chicks dig him, Guys like him because he's an amazing

672
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 4: ballplayer on a team that's honestly not very good. You know,

673
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,479
Speaker 4: the whole time Rhino was in Chicago, I think they

674
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 4: made two playoff runs.

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00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: That's it.

676
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 4: They had some awful teams, but he was really good.

677
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 4: Handled everything with class and defensively with the bat. You know,

678
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 4: he wasn't a trash talker, so he didn't rub people

679
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 4: the wrong way. He was just the perfect ambassador.

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00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: You know that you're special when forty years forty one years,

681
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: like if you look at somebody who is remotely knowledgeable

682
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: about baseball in the Midwest and you say the Sandberg game, yes,

683
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: they'll know what you're talking about.

684
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 2: Well, it's been forty I was barely born when that happened.

685
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: I'm a full fledged, grown ass adult man. And yet

686
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: when I see the clip of that roll through, I mean,

687
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: I'm not even talking about yesterday like obviously was everywhere,

688
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: but I'm saying every year it'll pop up. You'll just

689
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: stop and watch him cranked bombs off Bruce Soiter, and

690
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: you know what's gonna happen, right, And.

691
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 4: Think about all the great players that have played baseball.

692
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 4: You know, there's not a Mickey Mantle game, There's not

693
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 4: a Johnny Bench game. Great players may have been better

694
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 4: than Rhino. I don't know we can debate that, but

695
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 4: that game, it was the national game of the week

696
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 4: when everybody would watch it on network television. I think

697
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 4: NBC Bob Costa's had the call. Great rivalry, Cubs and

698
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 4: Cards packed, howels, Cubs were finally getting good, Rhino was

699
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 4: having an MVP season and I think he went like

700
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 4: five for six or four for five something like that.

701
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 4: Two bombs off one of the best closers in baseball,

702
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 4: Cubs win and extra innings, and that put him into

703
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 4: the stratosphere.

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00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: And it's the like baseball so different from every other sport.

705
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: The call is so legendary, you know the costas do

706
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: you believe it? This is a tie ball? Like I mean,

707
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: it's just it's just so. It's this perfect June day

708
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: in Chicago. It's those nasty awful Cardinals, and it's just

709
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: like it's so and it's like the crazy thing about

710
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: and this is when you know people were special. When

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00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: we were talking about this with hul Cogan, you know,

712
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago, like the memories that it

713
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: floods back and I was thinking this morning and by

714
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 1: the way I told Casey, I guess I told her

715
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: audience like ESPN did this fabulous video tribute to and

716
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: I think maybe Tim Kirchen was the narrator and it's

717
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: just phenomen like I just.

718
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: Totally lost it watching it.

719
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: But like little things that you don't think of and

720
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: then you realize what a big part of your childhood

721
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: they were so when I was a kid, Roger Clemens

722
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 1: MVP Baseball was a Nintendo game like the original Nintendo

723
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: and for whatever deal they had, they got Roger Clemens

724
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: name to license. Right, he's the star of the game,

725
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,479
Speaker 1: but they were too cheap to pay for the rest

726
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: of the players.

727
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 2: They sped it all on Roger.

728
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: So the names were made up for each team, like

729
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: it was just Chicago, but they made the names close

730
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: enough to where you knew it, so like Mark Grace

731
00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: was g Mace I think, and Ryan Sandberg was our

732
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: Berguson and you knew like the talent level the player

733
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: to like base three. But to me, in my mind

734
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: every time as a kid, when I heard the name

735
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: Ryan Sandberg, I would think, that's Burguson on my on my.

736
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 3: Game.

737
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: And it's such a trip down nostalgia lane.

738
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 3: Right.

739
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 2: We were kind of talking about this with Happy Gilmour,

740
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: you know, yesterday or the day before, and uh, you

741
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: know it just it's more than baseball.

742
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 4: Like if you grew up watching this kind of stuff,

743
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 4: if you're around my age or Rob's age, you grew

744
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 4: up watching these Cubs teams on television. It takes you

745
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 4: back to when you were younger and who you were with,

746
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 4: not necessarily even about the game. But I remember hanging

747
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 4: out with my grandparents and you know, they would go

748
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 4: to all my baseball games and if I had a

749
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 4: good day.

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00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: You know at the plate, he'd call me Rhino.

751
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 4: If I actually pitched and did well, Oh, Sudcliffe's out there,

752
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 4: like it just takes me back, and man, that one

753
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 4: hurts right, and we knew what was coming.

754
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: He had been rumored to be in bad shape for

755
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: a while.

756
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 4: Beat it at one point was in complete remission, but

757
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 4: then it came back very aggressively.

758
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 2: You know what's crazy about him too.

759
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: So one of the things that I watch from AFAR

760
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: I think is interesting as people who collect stuff. So

761
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: I'm so enamored with Casey's husband because he's so into

762
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: collecting sports illustrated magazines. I don't collect things, but I

763
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: admire the people that do. And there's a group of

764
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: people who collect autographed baseball cards, Like they'll send a

765
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: card in the mail like we used to do in

766
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 1: your kids.

767
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: It's kind of weird grown adults.

768
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: Do it, but whatever, right, Yeah, And so I enjoy

769
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: there's a whole like Facebook pages of people who will

770
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: do their submissions and up until like a few weeks ago,

771
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: people were still getting Ryan Sandberg autographed cards in the mail.

772
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: And it knew even signals like that is pretty cool

773
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,479
Speaker 1: that even you know, guys clearly not doing well, people

774
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: up until, like I said, a few weeks ago, were

775
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 1: still getting those cards back.

776
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: In the mail.

777
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 4: Dude, he loved baseball and he loved being a part

778
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 4: of it. Right, and again, he was never one of these, hey,

779
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 4: I want to endorsement.

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00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 2: Deal with Gator eight people.

781
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 4: But you'd always find him in Chicago, like a bunch

782
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 4: of my buddies that live up there.

783
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 2: They would go to Murphy's at the Cubby Bear and

784
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: there's Rhino.

785
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 4: It's just kind of hanging out like and anybody that

786
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 4: wants a picture, you know, he'll get it. He was

787
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 4: never a big timer to people and would go to

788
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 4: show up to these little leagues whatever. And I can't

789
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 4: imagine he's getting paid a lot of money or even

790
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 4: at all to do this kind of stuff. But he's like, yeah,

791
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 4: you know what.

792
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 2: Screw it. They gave me a great life. And what

793
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: we kind of forget is even with these athletes, how

794
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 2: good they actually are at the sport. Right, Rhino was

795
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 2: an even better, dude.

796
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 4: But if you go back and read about him in

797
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 4: high school, he was like all state and football, basketball,

798
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 4: and baseball. Could have played any sport in college that

799
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 4: he want, chose baseball and I think it worked out.

800
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: Won the nineteen ninety home run derby at Wrigley Field

801
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 1: because he was the only guy smart enough to realize

802
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: how big the win factored in.

803
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: And if the wind's blowing in, you gotta hit it.

804
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 4: Low, baby, low, and slow baby, turn on it line

805
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 4: drive bombs coming up this afternoon, bo Duke. John Schneider

806
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 4: will join us. He's got a show coming up in Indy.

807
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 4: Jeff Boggs will join us and call a roulette this afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Hammer. It is Kennelly Casey on ninety three WIBC