WEBVTT - Mac & Bone Show - Jim Szoke Interview 

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<v Speaker 1>Let's bring on a man we can trust not to

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<v Speaker 1>be drinking during the game. That would kind of be

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<v Speaker 1>frowned upon by the Panthers Radio Network folks. He is

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Zoki. It's time for a view from the booth

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<v Speaker 1>on this Panther Monday. Zoki, what's going on, man? How

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<v Speaker 1>are you feeling? Hey, boys.

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<v Speaker 2>No, just a cup of coffee is what I'm on

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<v Speaker 2>right now. I love the fact I'm joining you in

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<v Speaker 2>the 9 o'clock instead of the 7 o'clock hour because

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<v Speaker 2>you've covered so much ground. You're on to Philadelphia two

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<v Speaker 2>weeks from now. We're already over the line.

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<v Speaker 3>Zoki, something always happens where you never come in for

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<v Speaker 3>that many of these moments, do you? Usually it's you're

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<v Speaker 3>in here for the down times more than the good times.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, 8-9 last year felt like 12-5, so yeah, definitely

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<v Speaker 2>it's an improvement each year.

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<v Speaker 1>It did, and 2-2 feels, I don't know, at least

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<v Speaker 1>like 3-1, although I realize we could be 3-1 if

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<v Speaker 1>we finished the Browns game. What impressed you the most?

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot to choose from, Zoke. In a game

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<v Speaker 1>where so many key players at key positions were out,

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<v Speaker 1>what really impressed you the most about that Panther performance?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you've got to give credit for the amount

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<v Speaker 2>of they had to replace during the game on top

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<v Speaker 2>of before the game as far as just the guys

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<v Speaker 2>that pulled it together. Yeah, it wasn't perfect, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure we'll talk about what happened in the secondary. Defensively,

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<v Speaker 2>those were not great moments as far as keeping up

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<v Speaker 2>with that Detroit offense. But it's got to begin right

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<v Speaker 2>with a historic performance by T-Mac, second most catches, second

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<v Speaker 2>most receiving yards in the game, and just the way

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<v Speaker 2>Bryce was able to feed him and feed him, and

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<v Speaker 2>of course Bryce. getting chance of MVP. So it only

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<v Speaker 2>happens with Bryce playing the way that he did. But

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<v Speaker 2>the ball had to come out quick, obviously, with the

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<v Speaker 2>injuries on the offensive line, and they were able to

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<v Speaker 2>do that. And when Bryce had to stand in the

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<v Speaker 2>pocket and take a hit while delivering some of those throws,

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<v Speaker 2>he does that for 329 yards. But seeing that happen

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<v Speaker 2>opened up the best running game of the year with

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<v Speaker 2>Chuba Hubbard out there doing almost all of it, 122

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<v Speaker 2>yards and the two touchdowns there. So We talked all week, right,

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<v Speaker 2>that we thought against Detroit, it's going to be who

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<v Speaker 2>can outscore the other team. This is not going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a low-scoring defensive game, and they were up to

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<v Speaker 2>that challenge last night.

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<v Speaker 3>Zokster, how good of a coaching job was that last

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<v Speaker 3>night to limit Gibbs to 77 yards of total offense?

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<v Speaker 3>And also, Hutchinson didn't completely wreck shop either, so the

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<v Speaker 3>two game wreckers really were held in check for the

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<v Speaker 3>most part last night. How good of a coaching job

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<v Speaker 3>was that?

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<v Speaker 2>It was great. And again, credit because Hutchinson was getting

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<v Speaker 2>in the backfield and Bryce was being elusive. And then

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes he was blocked up. But of course, you lose

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<v Speaker 2>Monroe Freeling during the course.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the game.

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<v Speaker 2>So that doesn't help with that. But, you know, that

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<v Speaker 2>that's the main guy. They were second in the league

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<v Speaker 2>in quarterback sacks heading into the game. And then Jameer Gibbs,

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<v Speaker 2>I think we all agree, is not the best running back,

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<v Speaker 2>second or third, no further down the list. with, I

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<v Speaker 2>would say, him and McCaffrey. They did a really good

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<v Speaker 2>job against B. John Robinson, as we said, but Cooper

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<v Speaker 2>Rush was the quarterback that day, so you could kind

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<v Speaker 2>of really focus on him. You had to deal with

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<v Speaker 2>trying to limit Gibbs while Jared Goff's throwing for 400 yards,

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<v Speaker 2>and they did. They kept him in check in the

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<v Speaker 2>run game throughout the entire evening. So that was good

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<v Speaker 2>to see because that kept the game in check, actually

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<v Speaker 2>kept Detroit below their average. They scored 31 points the

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<v Speaker 2>first three games. keep them in check, and I thought

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<v Speaker 2>really key was holding them to field goals when they

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<v Speaker 2>were getting down in the range and so forth, not

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<v Speaker 2>giving those touchdowns up and keeping it to 26.

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<v Speaker 3>Huge.

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<v Speaker 1>Four field goals they made them kick, not to mention

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<v Speaker 1>the two times in the last three drives they stopped

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<v Speaker 1>them on fourth down, including, Zoke, the hook and ladder

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<v Speaker 1>that they stopped. when apparently the coaching staff told them

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<v Speaker 1>before the play, be ready for the hook and ladder.

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<v Speaker 1>They were, and they got the stop. And then Princely,

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<v Speaker 1>the Princely sack was mammoth on that last drive, Zoke.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he very well, I know that the pass,

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<v Speaker 1>the fourth down pass, it was Lee and Ransom that

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<v Speaker 1>made the final stop. That Princely sack, that was one

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<v Speaker 1>of the biggest plays of the game, too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because you set them back in the down and distance.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't have any timeouts left, and they begin that

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<v Speaker 2>drive at the 11-yard line. So you really made it

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<v Speaker 2>next to impossible for them to be able to continue

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<v Speaker 2>that drive, which they did. The one and only sack,

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<v Speaker 2>but they were getting pressure throughout the game. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>only the one sack, but there was constant pressure, keeping

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<v Speaker 2>Jared Goff throwing it away, throwing it in the dirt.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not going to ever run out of the pocket,

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<v Speaker 2>but he is good at extending plays back there. So

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<v Speaker 2>to get that sack in that moment was huge for

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<v Speaker 2>Prince Lee. At first, Jalen Phillips had just left the

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<v Speaker 2>series or two before, so he really had to come

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<v Speaker 2>down to Princeley or someone like that making the play.

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<v Speaker 3>Zoke, how does Devin Lloyd just fundamentally change the entire

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<v Speaker 3>outlook of this defense?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we kept talking all week about, you know, we're

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<v Speaker 2>down our corners and all this and that. That's huge.

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<v Speaker 2>But adding back in not only Devin Lloyd, but I

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<v Speaker 2>thought Nick Scott played a good game, too. But in particular,

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<v Speaker 2>to your point, Devin Lloyd coming in there, getting that

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<v Speaker 2>big tackle for loss, having– I call him the leading tackler.

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<v Speaker 2>He had nine because Caleb Evans had 11, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>because he was catching guys that caught the ball.

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<v Speaker 1>So true.

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<v Speaker 2>You're bound to have 11 tackles. But Devin Lloyd is

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<v Speaker 2>such a game changer out there. And you just saw

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<v Speaker 2>me either bugging at the line and not coming or blitzing.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say Detroit did a good offensive line. They

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<v Speaker 2>did a good job of picking up a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the blitzes that were coming there, especially coming up the

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<v Speaker 2>middle width. but Devin Lloyd is the guy that makes

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<v Speaker 2>the whole thing go right now. And I thought Derek

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<v Speaker 2>Brown had his best game. He had a couple of bad.

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<v Speaker 2>He was disruptive up to watch. I think Bobby Brown

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<v Speaker 2>also had a tip pass. So they were getting the

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<v Speaker 2>hands up and getting in the face of Jared golf

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<v Speaker 2>quite a bit.

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<v Speaker 3>So I heard a rumor last night that when you

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<v Speaker 3>were getting ready for the game, Chris Collins chair slid

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<v Speaker 3>right in front of you.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that true?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It came like down the hallway and around the corner.

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<v Speaker 2>Cause we're not in the same booth as them, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>We did a real quick at an event with Mike

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<v Speaker 2>Tirico Friday night for the target breakfast folks. And I'd

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<v Speaker 2>met Mike and talked with him before, but to spend

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<v Speaker 2>that amount of time with Bo and Beth, the three

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<v Speaker 2>of us do an event with them. You know, Tirico

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<v Speaker 2>is terrific. I don't know anybody who doesn't enjoy watching

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<v Speaker 2>what Tirico does. And I know a lot of people,

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<v Speaker 2>I saw a lot of Twitter stuff, like very polarizing

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<v Speaker 2>with Chris Collinsworth. I don't know him that well, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think he does a good job. Everyone's got their

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<v Speaker 2>own taste and their own opinion, but I think Collinsworth

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<v Speaker 2>is good. I've enjoyed it. I mean, I think he's

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<v Speaker 2>been doing that. He retired from football, like, in 1999.

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<v Speaker 2>He's been doing this for, like, 30-plus years. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>been terrific.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always been a Collinsworth fan. It's like 92 or

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<v Speaker 1>so he started at NBC, like, doing Notre Dame games.

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<v Speaker 1>30-plus years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always been a Collinsworth fan when a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people hate on him. I will say, Zoke, last night

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<v Speaker 1>he really seemed to be trying to will the Lions

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<v Speaker 1>back in the game. Now, I don't think it's anything

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<v Speaker 1>personal against the Panthers. I don't hear it. but it

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<v Speaker 1>really felt like he wanted the dramatic end. He was

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<v Speaker 1>so upset when the Lions drive fizzled out at the end.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, that's a disgusting drive. So it felt like,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just think he wanted a great finish and

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<v Speaker 1>he saw the potential for it, you know, with the

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<v Speaker 1>Panthers second.

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<v Speaker 2>Forget what I said, Collinsworth sucked.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got the dub anyway, man. It's all good. So

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<v Speaker 1>Bryce and TMAC together, man. I mean, the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>it comes with Coker and XL out, All these offensive

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<v Speaker 1>linemen out the week after TMAC is held only two catches. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what did you think about those two dudes just going off?

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<v Speaker 1>And I love the fact that Canales let us in

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<v Speaker 1>on something after the game said that they had a

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<v Speaker 1>rough week of practice as a tandem. They were not

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<v Speaker 1>on the same page throughout the week. I guess it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter. Maybe practice doesn't matter. What do you think, Zote?

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes you play your best golf when you can't hit

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<v Speaker 2>it on the driving range. I'd rather not be happy Wednesday, Thursday,

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<v Speaker 2>and pull it together Sunday. But they're too talented not

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<v Speaker 2>to figure it out on Sunday. And you do have

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<v Speaker 2>to talk matchups, right? Denzel Ward, I go back to Cleveland,

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<v Speaker 2>seeing that defensive person, he's great. Cleveland's a much better

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<v Speaker 2>defense than what Detroit has, so we have to factor

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<v Speaker 2>that in. And again, they're minus their two safeties, just

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<v Speaker 2>like we're out of our corners, and it shows for them.

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<v Speaker 2>But beyond that, you're playing an NFL team that's got

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<v Speaker 2>a very good chance of making the playoffs again this year.

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<v Speaker 2>And Detroit, again, while they're not, you know, they've got

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<v Speaker 2>it tough up front. I mean, so you're dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of pressure that not only are you dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with the secondary, but the ball has to come out quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>And Price was just dealing. I mean, the ball was

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<v Speaker 2>coming out of his hands so quickly. You know, watching

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<v Speaker 2>it on TV is one thing. When you see it

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<v Speaker 2>in person, I mean, it's like zip, zip, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>accurate and it's decisive. And when it's not there, when

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<v Speaker 2>he goes to the second play and creates something out

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<v Speaker 2>of that. But he and T-Mac, I mean, they just

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<v Speaker 2>kept feeding him and feeding him. He had 12 catches

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<v Speaker 2>coming into the game, T-Mac. He had 14 last night.

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<v Speaker 2>And they never came up with an answer in four

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<v Speaker 2>quarters as to how to stop that. So small secondary.

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<v Speaker 2>So big receivers like T-Mac could have a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of an advantage. But he's playing at a great level.

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<v Speaker 2>You saw the kind of catches he was making there.

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<v Speaker 2>The relative ease in which he makes it look, which

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<v Speaker 2>only comes through the hard work that goes into making

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<v Speaker 2>it look easy. But Bryce, we talked about going into

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<v Speaker 2>his fourth year, as we said, he's incrementally gotten better

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<v Speaker 2>each year. This is like a big old leap this

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<v Speaker 2>year in year four. It's not an incremental jump. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he looks like a guy that's, again, not just because

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<v Speaker 2>of what the stats are, but the way you watch

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<v Speaker 2>him play and the way he's moving that offense, doing

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<v Speaker 2>it in situational football is really at the top of

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<v Speaker 2>the league right now.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Zoke. I'm out of questions. I'm worn out

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<v Speaker 3>right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Zoke, enjoy your bye week, baby. Enjoy your bye week.

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<v Speaker 1>No Eagles questions right now. You're off the stand, Zoke,

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<v Speaker 1>this week. We'll deal with that. You got a bye

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<v Speaker 1>week trip to any exotic locations? Although you probably got

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<v Speaker 1>an ECU game.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you got going on? I'm going on vacation

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<v Speaker 2>to Greenville. We got Rice coming in this week at

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<v Speaker 2>Conference Play. I got Saturday work, but I'm off Sundays.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't watch football Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>Zoke, will you work in if ECU wins? Will you

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<v Speaker 1>work in a cook-rice pun, or are you above that?

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<v Speaker 2>No, because I was so happy after the game last night,

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<v Speaker 2>I did an in-like-a-lion-out-like-a-lamb tweet because they lost to a Panther,

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<v Speaker 2>which sounded like a nursery rhyme from like, the third grade,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm not above a Cook-Rice record.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay. Work that in, baby. Work that in. All right, Zoke,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for joining us, brother. Appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 2>Enjoy your Victory Monday.