1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: The yes people are starting to run out of real 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: estate and redistricting. 3 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 4 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, You've had two more Republican state senators come out 5 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 3: and oppose redrawing Indiana's congressional districts. 6 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 1: So you've got a Basslor and Kyle Walker are the 7 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: Eric Basler and Kyle Walker are the two most recent 8 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: ones to come out they or know that makes three 9 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: going back to yesterday with Jane Leisig. So people are 10 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: trying to do count on this, so kind of reset 11 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: everything that's going on here. I see most people are aware, 12 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: but it just if you're not a very cursory reminder. 13 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: So Governor Brawn, who will not do anything to help 14 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: you with your property taxes, has called well it's no 15 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: longer a special session. It's been going on so long 16 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: it has now bled into the upcoming session, which begins 17 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: next week technically with ORG Day and so first week 18 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: of December, the lawmakers will be reconvening to discuss the 19 00:00:55,360 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: idea of redrawing our congressional maps to give the Republicans 20 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: two more seats in the US House of Representatives. Now, 21 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: these are the same maps that just a couple of 22 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: years ago were the envy of the nation. They're so fair, 23 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 1: they're so right, they're so spot on. We're very proud 24 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: of them. Now, mean that let's just carve this up 25 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: so we can get two more seats that we can't 26 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: earn by governing. And the House of Representatives claims that 27 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: they have the votes to pass this, there hasn't been 28 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: much attention paid to them. Take them at their word. 29 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: The Senate appears to be based on the words of 30 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: their own leadership. Rod Bray, who is the leader of 31 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: the Indiana Senate, claims they are short. We do know 32 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: all ten Democrats are against by my count, that is 33 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 1: now I believe nine Republicans who are against, and there 34 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: are thirteen Republicans who are four. They have to get 35 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: to twenty five, assuming that the Lieutenant Governor will do 36 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: as he often does, bend the need of the governor 37 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: and do whatever he wants, and so they had to 38 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: cast the tie breaking votes. So they have to get 39 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: to twenty five Republicans, which means. 40 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 4: If you have nineteen no's, you have thirteen yes. 41 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: Of the forty Republicans twenty two by my math, nine 42 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: plus thirteen have said where they're at, which that would 43 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: give you eighteen people who are undecided. You can only 44 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:22,679 Speaker 1: lose six of them and still get this thing through 45 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: on a tie breaking vote by the lieutenant governor. 46 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 3: And Good Good won't decide until the day off. 47 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 4: He's going to be a no. 48 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: There's no way, given the town all he just went through, 49 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: and all of his buddies are starting to come out, 50 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: those guys he hangs out with and considers associates are 51 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: starting to come out as knows. But I mean, so basically, 52 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: they've got to get They've got to get twelve. They've 53 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: got to get twelve of the eighteen either undecided or 54 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: unpublicly stated to vote with them, or it's going to fail. 55 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: And if it fails, Bron's done. He might as well 56 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 1: just well, we don't want him to resign because who 57 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: would take over. But Bron might as well just call 58 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: it a call it a career, and just hang out 59 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: in Duboys. 60 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 3: Right off in the sunset. So Bassler said he can't 61 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 3: support any midsensus redistricting plan. He stands by the maps 62 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 3: that were approved four years ago. He also has previously 63 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 3: announced that he won't seek reelection in twenty six, ending 64 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 3: his twelve years in the Senate. So for all the 65 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 3: people who say, well, we're going to primary you of 66 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 3: unless you go along with this. This guy is already 67 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 3: saying I'm out anyway. Yeah, he's at Ay, that's great, 68 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 3: I'm calling it today. And then Kyle Walker from Lawrence. 69 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 3: He said that he has spent the past several months 70 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 3: listening closely to his constituents and with ninety three percent 71 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 3: of posed, if he's their voice in the Senate, he'll 72 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 3: be voting now. 73 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 4: Yeah. Look, this supposed. 74 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: Group of people that are so for this has never 75 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: publicly materialized, not in town halls, not in emails, not 76 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: in phone calls, nowhere. None of these Republicans are for it. 77 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: Have here's this trove of emails or thousands of correspondents 78 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: for it. You can produce public events in which people 79 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: have been overwhelmingly against. So, if indeed this large group 80 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: of people exists that are for the redistricting, they have 81 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: simply not revealed themselves in a public fashion, which would 82 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: be very helpful to the cause they claim to be for. 83 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: Which when poll after poll after poll tells you something, 84 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: which poll after poll after poll has said that people 85 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: are against redistricting, and any public sort of event has 86 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: produced overwhelmingly people against redistricting, and the side that's for 87 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 1: it hasn't produced any sort of tangible evidence that all 88 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: these people are for it. Any undecided person is going 89 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: to go that kind of seems like people aren't for it. 90 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 3: The thing that really irritates me about all of this 91 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 3: is you now have all these politicians having these listening 92 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 3: sessions or paying attention to polling, well polling. I mean 93 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 3: even Kyle Walker said, you know on ninety three percent 94 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 3: of pose, Okay, why aren't you listening to your or 95 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 3: constituents on matters that are important to them, for example, 96 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 3: their utility bills and property taxes. You're like, oh, I'm 97 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 3: going to pay attention to what you say on redistricting, 98 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 3: but this other stuff, we're gonna do what we want. 99 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: Well, this is and it comes back to these guys, 100 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 1: these guys and girls, they're not in it for you, 101 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: They're in it for themselves. And people see this on 102 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: full display on this issue. They look around and go, hey, 103 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: even if I'm the most ardent Republican in the world, 104 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 1: there's a whole bunch of issues affecting our state that 105 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: you guys could be addressing and putting this sort of 106 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: effort into that would actually help me, and you're not 107 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: doing that. Why aren't you as passionate about whether you 108 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: said it's utility energy prices or property taxes or gas 109 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 1: tact you know what will you get? There's a whole 110 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: the IDC reforms or whatever it might be. What And 111 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: I come back to when Andrew Ireland State Rep. Was 112 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: on your show and you asked him, Hey, the session 113 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: is going to be going on. You can bring up 114 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: whatever you want. How about proper pretty taxes? And I 115 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: think we have actual audio of Andrew Ireland. Yeah, let's 116 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: cue this up here. That wasn't actually Andrew Ireland, but 117 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: that's basically what he did, Like I mean, yeah, I 118 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: mean he scoffed at you, and people hear that and go, well, 119 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: f you, dude, because your desire to have the Republican 120 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: Party be some more dominant thing doesn't help me pay 121 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: my bills. 122 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 4: So you don't care at all about me. 123 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: If you were as passionate about that, we'd say okay, 124 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: but they're not proposing walking and chewing gum at the 125 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: same time. 126 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 3: Think we're a team project and you were scratching my back. Yeah, 127 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 3: maybe okay, you're doing a good thing. I'll help you 128 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 3: stay in power, but you're not sure. 129 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: And Andrew Ireland's a guy who voted for the budget 130 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: which raised taxes by a billion dollars. It funds the 131 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: IEDC all of these other stuff. You're going, wait a second, 132 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: why would I be invested in your I mean, we've 133 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 1: got the President of the United States basically saying workers 134 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: are lazy and stupid in this country. We got all 135 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: these Chinese students that are that are gonna be continuing 136 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: to file in. We're gonna have all these foreign workers 137 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: coming in. And Jacob Stewart kind of alluded to this 138 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: last hour, the columnist from The Indie Star. He said, 139 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: some people are like, well, which is what I've been 140 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,559 Speaker 1: saying from the beginning, because how often does that happen? 141 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 4: Casey. 142 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: Sometimes it takes years for people to come over to 143 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: our side. But they've recognized, what are we investing in? 144 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: Why would we be willing to give into this if 145 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: it's just going to be the president saint We're stupid 146 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: and lazy and come on in here Chinese students like. 147 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 4: What are we? What are we fighting for? 148 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 3: Okay, So the Justice Department is suing California that is 149 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 3: to block their newly approved congressional district boundaries, which was 150 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 3: passed by voters last week with their Proposition fifty. The 151 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 3: DOJ is now joining a lawsuit which has been filed 152 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 3: by the California Republican markin Wait. 153 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: The Republican Justice Department doesn't like Democrats rigging the map 154 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: in their favor, only when Republican states do it. 155 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 3: Are they coming after Texas, Not that I'm aware of. 156 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 4: Are they coming after North Carolina? 157 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 3: Not that I'm aware of. Well, they can not yet anyway, 158 00:07:58,720 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 3: I mean that could be down the road. 159 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 4: Are they coming after Ohio? About Missouri? 160 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 3: No? 161 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 4: No, Have they threatened to come after Indiana? 162 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, not that I'm more so just California. They may so. 163 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: They just don't like it when California responds to Texas, which, 164 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: by the way, all California is doing is washing Texas. 165 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: That's it. Five or five there. It's a pointless exercise 166 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,679 Speaker 1: on both sides. Everybody news going to happen. It doesn't 167 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: like It's both sides are equally ridiculous. 168 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 3: Right, They're accusing the state of racial jerrymandering meant to 169 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 3: favor Hispanic voter. 170 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, so what Yeah, Basically, what they're saying is that 171 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: California when they redistricted, they drew these districts up that 172 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: will heavily favor Hispanic voters who they think will vote Democrat, 173 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: which will help them. And they said, well, you did 174 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: this along racial lines. You can't do this. I do 175 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: want to, like come back to what we were talking about 176 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: a second, because I posted this on Twitter at Robin 177 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: Kendall if you want to see it or comment on 178 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: it or whatever. You know, the guy who has a 179 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: chance to be the real hero in all this and 180 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 1: this is the amazing, the amazing thing about all of this, 181 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: and that is the Lieutenant Governor m because I think 182 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: people are starting to come to the conclusion on this 183 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: redistricting that the best we're going to do is twenty 184 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: five and he's the tiebreaker, and he'd be the tiebreaker, 185 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: which means and the reason he was elected. This is 186 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: what's just so sad about all of this. He has 187 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: totally become subservient to the governor when he was elected 188 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 1: to be on all things. The pushback, so many people 189 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: voted for Braun because they said, well, at the bare minimum, 190 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: we're going to get a show because Lieutenant governor will 191 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: be there to fight him and fight for us when 192 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: the billion dollar tax increase happens, or the property tax 193 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: thing goes awright, or the IDC audit comes out and 194 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: Braun goes they're there. Let's move along like they're not 195 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: getting any of That's the irony in all of this 196 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: is if Micah hadn't had done his job, he would 197 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: be not only the most popular Republican in the state, 198 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: he would be in a premium position to challenge Braun 199 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: in a couple of years and become the governor of 200 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: the state of Indiana because Braun has been so bad 201 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: and Micah has another opportun tunity here because as the 202 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: potential tiebreaker now, he would have to preemptively say this 203 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: because once the votes are cast, he doesn't have any leverage, 204 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: and if it goes down then he has no leverage. 205 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: But like if I were him and I actually gave 206 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: a damn about the people, here is what I would 207 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: preemptively say. If I were Mica beec With and he 208 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 1: would get state wide headlines, he would become what he craves. 209 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 4: He would be the talk of the town. Every camera'd 210 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 4: be in his face. 211 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: He would say, I am preemptively saying that I will 212 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 1: not vote to be the tie breaking vote or redistricting 213 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: unless the Indiana General Assembly agrees to repeal Senate Bill one, 214 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: which everyone hates on both sides of the aisle, and 215 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: repass a property tax bill with meaningful property tax reform. 216 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, if it comes to a tie, he does have 217 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 3: power in his hand. He can say I'm only voting 218 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 3: yes if we. 219 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 1: Help Hoosiers, and he would be beloved by people for saying, damn, 220 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: somebody's actually thinking of us for ones. But he is 221 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: totally beholding to Braun. You can decide why that is. 222 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: Maybe some of that will come out as time goes on, 223 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: but he is not in there fighting for us. And 224 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 1: that's horrible because he has immense power in this right 225 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 1: now because of the perception that this vote is going 226 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: to be very close and his ability to potentially be 227 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: the tie breaking vote. 228 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 3: Coming up next, we're going to be joined by Tom Davies, 229 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 3: reporter with the Indiana Capitol Chronicle. 230 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: This is a fascinating story. So hundreds of thousands of 231 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: people are now going to have their insurance, their taxpayer 232 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: funded insurance. We should point out affected in the state 233 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: of India the state has made a major choice and 234 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: now hundreds of thousands of people are scrambling to make 235 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: a change. We'll talk about it next. 236 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 3: It's Kennel and Casey. It's ninety three WYBC. 237 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 4: Casey. 238 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: There was a big announcement that came out that is 239 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: going to affect how hundreds of thousands of people get. 240 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 4: Their insurance in the state of Indiana. 241 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I heard about that. I'm really curious as 242 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 3: to why this happens. So we need to get to 243 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 3: the bottom of it. 244 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, we got a guy, just like with everything else. 245 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 1: So the big story is that md WISE, who is 246 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: a major insurance provider for Medicaid, is no longer going 247 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: to be a part of that system. As usual, our 248 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: friends at the Indiana Capitol Chronicle are all over this story. 249 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: One of the best reporters in the business, Tom Davies, 250 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: joins us. 251 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 4: Now. 252 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: Tom, Hello, good morning, So tell us all about this. 253 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 1: Seems like a massive story. I know it's getting some attention, 254 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: but I don't think the attention that it that it 255 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,599 Speaker 1: really warrants, in which one, obviously, hundreds of thousands of 256 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: people are going to be impacted, but md WISE is 257 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: a major player and the state basically said you're out. 258 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:40,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. They announced this week that they're on drop MBWISE 259 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 2: from the Healthy Indiana Plan and the Usier health Wise 260 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 2: program as of January first, So about three hundred thousand 261 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 2: people will have to change their health insurance companies. 262 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: Okay, so take us through there. What there are three 263 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: other people, three other companies that provide insurance to Medicaid people. 264 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: Can you cut I just take us through high level 265 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:05,239 Speaker 1: how Medicaid insurance actually works. 266 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 2: Well, they all everyone has they go through one of 267 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 2: these providers, and there's three others that people in these programs. 268 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 2: This just affects those those two programs, the Healthy Indiana 269 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 2: Plan and Who's your health Wise. Everyone and that's now 270 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 2: with md wise will either choose amongst the three other 271 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 2: companies that are still providers, Anthem Care Source and Managed 272 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: Health Services, and they have until at the end of 273 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 2: December to either pick a new provider or the state 274 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 2: will select one for them. 275 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: Why did they kick md WISE off Because that's a 276 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: huge name that I think a lot of people know, 277 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: and people are surprised that they're eliminating them from people 278 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: on Medicaid being able to use them. 279 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 2: Well, the broad administrations in the legislature have been wrestling 280 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 2: with never growing meditate costs for a long time and 281 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 2: they're expecting, you know, the four tasks from this last 282 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 2: spring was to go up nine point five percent this 283 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 2: year and seven plus percent next year. So they've been 284 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 2: trying to find ways to cut cost and when FSSA 285 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 2: announced this week the change, Mitch Robe said that they 286 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 2: determined the md WISE was, in his words, both the 287 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 2: most expensive and the lowest in quality amongst the plans 288 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 2: they offered. 289 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 3: Okay, so is there going to be a replacement. 290 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 2: Well, there is going to the three plans that are 291 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: being offered rather than the four. So they say that 292 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 2: no one currently on MEDITAI will be ticked off that 293 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 2: they have to switch their insurance. 294 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: Company, Tom Davies, from the India to Capitol Chronicle is 295 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: our guests. We're talking about this big story that came 296 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: out again. It's getting some attention, but not nearly what 297 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: I think it should, which is md WISE out as 298 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: a medicaid provider. Hundreds of thousands of people will be 299 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: impacted by this, so md WISE is not happen. Be 300 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: there fighting back. What are they doing? 301 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 2: Well, they've already gone to court. They had gone to 302 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 2: court last month before this was announced by FSSA. They're 303 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 2: basically saying that the state hasn't followed proper procedures for 304 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 2: terminating their contract md wise than providing medicaid programs since 305 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 2: the nineteen nineties in Indiana. So they say that the 306 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 2: FSSA ignored their proposals for changes, hasn't engaged with them 307 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 2: and trying to come up with order what they would 308 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 2: say is more orderly transfer allowing them to try to 309 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 2: sell their operations in Indiana. They say the FSSA has 310 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 2: not cooperated with them at all, so they've gone to 311 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 2: court over that. A Marion County judge a couple of 312 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 2: weeks ago denied their request for a restrain order to 313 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 2: block what the state was planning to do, and now 314 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 2: they're trying to appeal that to the state appeals court. 315 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 2: But that's no action has been taken there yet. 316 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 3: Okay, So if the FSSA secretary said that md wise 317 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 3: was the most expensive, any indication on cost savings since 318 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 3: it's being dropped. 319 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 2: They haven't given any specifics on that yet. They just 320 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 2: say they they've looked at the various plans and determined 321 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 2: mendy Wise was the most expensive. They told me this 322 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 2: week that the state does anticipate from savings, but we 323 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 2: don't have any any figures on that would be just yet. 324 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 4: Tom. We'll get you out of here with this. 325 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: Obviously, you touch on this in this story, the massive 326 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: increase in cost to the medicaid program. Are there more 327 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: cuts coming or will the state be able to absorb 328 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: this long term? 329 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 2: That's something that to be determined. There's still a lot 330 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 2: of moving parts in the medicaid program, and you know, 331 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 2: that's been one of the big things with as I said, 332 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 2: the broad administration and the legislature and trying to bring 333 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 2: it into no better shape. And you know, the uh 334 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 2: one of the arguments from MD wise is that they're 335 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 2: basically being scapegoats. Essentially, they say it they think the 336 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 2: motivation by the state was there the state's policies that, 337 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 2: in their words, putting medicate spending on an unsustainable path. 338 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: Find him over at Indiana Capitol Chronicle dot com. It's 339 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: a great reason, could impact hundreds of thousands of people. 340 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 1: Tom Davies, thank. 341 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 2: You, thanks for having me on. 342 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're listening to Kennell and Casey on ninety three WIBC. 343 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 4: So what was it Axios has this article about. I 344 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 4: don't know. 345 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: Maybe it's the re emergence of the political dynasties in 346 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: this country. 347 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, they say the political dynas are going to be 348 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 3: crowding America's next election. The twenty six and twenty eight 349 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 3: ballots are crowded with political heirrors and relatives seeking office. Now, 350 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 3: political dynasties, of course, have a long standing history in 351 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 3: the United States. You had presidents John Adams and John 352 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 3: Quincy Adams. You also had George H. Bush and George W. Bush, 353 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 3: William Henry Harrison and his grandson Benjamin Harrison both serving 354 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 3: as president. And you've got some modern examples of political families, 355 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 3: the Cuomos, the Cheney's, the Clinton's, clearly, the Kennedys, the 356 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 3: Polosis in the Shaheens. But now there's this other long list, 357 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 3: and one of them here in Indiana bow Bye. 358 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 4: Well. 359 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting because you're right, for generations, there always 360 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: seem to be one. I think the most prevalent in 361 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: this country would be the Kennedy's had it for decades, 362 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: and then the Bushes kind of took that mantle from 363 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: them to some extent. The Clintons did in the sense 364 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: that he was. It wasn't generational, but he was the president, 365 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: and then she was the senator and the candidate for 366 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: president and the secretary of State. 367 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 3: Well, now there's talk that Chelsea's going to run or something. 368 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: And it's kind of gone away. We've seen this sort 369 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: of the end of the bushes. We've seen although there's 370 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: another Kennedy running for something. 371 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 4: Now. The grandson of one of these people is Jack Slosberg. 372 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, is coming back, but not in the sense of, Hey, 373 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: these people are everywhere and they're controlling everything. We've sort 374 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 1: of seen Americans kind of reject that. And you're right 375 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: here in Indiana. You do see the at least attempt 376 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: to re emerge, re emerge. One of those dynasties. The Byes. 377 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: Of course, Birch Bye was the longtime senator US senator 378 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: defeated by Dan Quayle. 379 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 4: It's part of the Reagan Revolution. 380 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: Evan By secretary of state, governor, then senator, and now 381 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: his son Bobi is running for secretary of State. Boy, 382 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: howdy can that kid raise money? Holy smoke, what did 383 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: I see? 384 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 3: He just got something from the education past. 385 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: There was other one the I mean, he is like 386 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: and it's so weird because most of the donations seem 387 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: to be ten thousand dollars or above. And my joke 388 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: everydoy because Steven over dandy reporter will post those donations 389 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 1: up and I'll always respond with, oh, my grandma gave 390 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: me fifty dollars for my birthday every year. 391 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 4: What is going on here? 392 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: It's a little different, but it's like laughable that the 393 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: Republicans are going at buy for the dynasty or whatever 394 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: when you've got your Secretary of State who disappears to 395 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: the Republican Diego Moreles, who disappears to foreign countries for 396 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: ten days and won't say who paid for it. At 397 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,360 Speaker 1: least with bo By, somebody's got to put their name 398 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: on it, right, here's your money, here's the name. 399 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 4: Now we know. 400 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: I'll take that every day over some guy disappearing to 401 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: a foreign country for ten days won't say who paid 402 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: for it. Oh and is Broski, who had a state 403 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,479 Speaker 1: contract for eighty large is a bragging on how he's 404 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: selling visa access on the internet. So yeah, but you're right, 405 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: it is like sort of a thing. 406 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,120 Speaker 4: I thought we were passed, But what you're kind of saying. 407 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 3: Is Nope, there's more. Let me share some of the 408 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 3: other ones. Oh, what are happening across the country? Miley Biggs, 409 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 3: who is the daughter Miley She is the daughter of 410 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 3: Representative Andy Biggs. Oh, she's running for her father's former 411 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 3: Arizona state seat. You've got Jerry Demings, who is the 412 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 3: husband of a former rep. Who is entering Florida's governor's race. 413 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 3: Jesse Jackson Junior. 414 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 4: Is he still going? 415 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 3: Yeah? That was launching a comeback kids seat in Illinois. 416 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 4: What comeback is this for him? I mean they're so old. 417 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: I mean, by the way, Jesse Jackson is apparently not 418 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 1: doing very well. 419 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 420 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 4: I think what these people figure out is the hot 421 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 4: tub is nice. Hmm, and they see how well some. 422 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: Family member did and they go, well, same name worked 423 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: for them. What's the worst that they can happen? I 424 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: don't win, and then they, you know, get in there. 425 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: And it is amazing the amount of people who go 426 00:21:58,480 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: in regular and end up very. 427 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,959 Speaker 4: Wealthy in politics. I will I will just say that. 428 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 3: Well, but you're right. You thought maybe we were moving 429 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 3: away from these dynasty political families, but it's still pretty 430 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 3: embedded in the US system. 431 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: One of the things that I think bo Bai is 432 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: really going to struggle with is making enough in roads. 433 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 4: When it comes to authenticity. 434 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: Now, which that's funny because Diego Morales is a total 435 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: fraudster in a grifter and but the onus is on 436 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 1: bo Byde have to do that because he had such 437 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: a republican state. Most people know what Diego is, but 438 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: they're so afraid of the Democrats that they'll default to, well, 439 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: we'll take this sleeze bucket because he's He's our sleeze bucket, right, 440 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: And so I think one of the areas bo Baye 441 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: is going to have to get better at well, you know, 442 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: we kind of joked about those videos which he's he's 443 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: really he hasn't stopped him, but he's got and better 444 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 1: at him. You know, he's wearing some different team shirt 445 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 1: every time, and. 446 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 3: It's bo He was wearing a jacket the other day. 447 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: Hey bow here a little he's got off my yacht. 448 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: Heard the government shut down farmers. I went by a 449 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: farm one time. I mean like he's going to struggle 450 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: with that because first of all, he's very young. I mean, 451 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: people lose sight of the fact that the guy just 452 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: turned thirty years old. And I don't care who your 453 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: old man is or who your grandfather was. If you've 454 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: never done this before. 455 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 3: It's still learning it is. 456 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: It's tough sledding, right, It's tough to figure out how 457 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: to do this. He's going to have to find a 458 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: way to connect with regular people that know what Diego 459 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: is but are very afraid to vote for Democrats because 460 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: it's a party run by insane people. 461 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 3: Well, he Bo's gonna have to go up to northwest Indiana, 462 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 3: in northeast Indiana because that's where Diego is very popular. 463 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, people who don't know. 464 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 3: Elkhark County for sure. Yeah, because, as we've seen from 465 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 3: the polling, majority of the state doesn't know who Diego Morales. 466 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: The one thing Bo Bai is gonna have going for him, 467 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 1: and this is where the dynasty thing kind of helps you, 468 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: is has. 469 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 3: The ability to make money, raise money. Weil that's one thing, right, 470 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 3: make and raise raise it and then make it. 471 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 4: Yeah. 472 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: I mean these people are not giving all this money 473 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: to him because of his good looks and charming personality. 474 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: They're giving it to him because his father is evan By, 475 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: his grandfather was birch By. They've been incredibly successful in 476 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: this state. His father is still a very influential person 477 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: as it relates to politics and government in this nation. 478 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: And there just show you how much money out there 479 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 1: people have that they don't care about, right, I mean, 480 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: if you it's worth a flyer to a lot of 481 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: these people. Probably it's because of the connections with this 482 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: old man, and so it's going to now there are 483 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,199 Speaker 1: people who have subscribe to the theory. And this is 484 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: what is interesting to me that he may not even 485 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: be the Democrat nominee because there's this woman running against 486 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: him who was way more in touch with the base 487 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: of the Democrat Party than Bo who's going to run 488 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 1: as this middle ground kind of guy. And while any 489 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: person on IQ over seven would look at that and go, hey, 490 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: we finally might have a chance to win an office. Hey, 491 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: maybe it's not totally what we want, but it's better 492 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 1: than zero, which is all we've had for the past 493 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: decade basically in the state. Let's give this kid a 494 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: shot and see how his money can operate. There's a 495 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: bunch of people who think at that convention he's gonna 496 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: have a hard time getting the votes because the Democrats 497 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 1: are so wed to crazy that they they'll reject him. 498 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 3: Right, well, and he can save all that money and 499 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 3: use it for his next run. 500 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: Well, it may not be another one, because you know 501 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 1: his old man ran into this too. All right, Hammer's 502 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: fired up. We're going to do a little extended segment 503 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 1: with Hammer. He's fired up because you know, Jacob Stewart 504 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: came on with his columns from Indie Star last hour 505 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: was talking about the pitfins of the downtown casino and Hammer, 506 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: you know, he worked for years in the casino industry. 507 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 1: He has thoughts. 508 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 3: Oh good, he's going to join us next on ninety 509 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 3: three WYBC. 510 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: So earlier today we were talking with the Indie Start 511 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 1: columnist Jacob Stewart about the proposal to put a casino 512 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: in downtown Indianapolis. He said, for a variety of reasons, 513 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: which you can go back and listen to on the podcast, 514 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: it's a horrible idea. It's Kid on Casey Show, by 515 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: the way, and Rob that's Casey. Jason Hammer on half 516 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: of the Hammer of Nigel Show joins us. Now, you're 517 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: a great person to have this convo with because you 518 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: spent years in the casino industry. 519 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 5: Yes, working in the marketing department of the closest casino 520 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:25,919 Speaker 5: to Indianapolis. 521 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 4: Down in Shelbyville. It's gone through a. 522 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 5: Couple of different ownership changes since then, but for sure 523 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 5: now he's right about a couple of things. And again, 524 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 5: if you missed this conversation, I'm sure Kevin's going to 525 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 5: post this on your podcast page, go back and listen 526 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 5: to it, because Jacob is right about a couple of things. 527 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 5: The gaming lobby, every other casino in the state does 528 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 5: not want a casino in Indy because they feel like 529 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 5: it's going to hamper their bottom line. 530 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 3: Sure, it'll draw people away from those locations. 531 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 5: Because there's a lot of degenerates like myself and Indy 532 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 5: that like action right and the closest ones to Indie 533 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 5: right now are Shelbyville and Anderson, both owned by Caesars. 534 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 5: They will throw a fit because when those casinos first 535 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 5: opened up, they're called racinos because they have racetracks attaching 536 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 5: to them as well. They were taxed more than any 537 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 5: other casino in the state of Indiana because of the 538 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 5: proximity to Indianapolis. All the river boats were whining and complaining, 539 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 5: and all the places in northwest Indiana whining and complaining 540 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 5: that all the Indie money would just go here and 541 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 5: not anywhere else. 542 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 3: Now. 543 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 5: I don't know if it's still this way, But when 544 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 5: I was there, you know, ten fifteen years ago, it 545 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 5: was every dollar that got put into a slot machine, 546 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 5: half went to the. 547 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 4: State of India. 548 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 3: Wow. 549 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 5: Now I think they have lowered that sense then, but 550 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 5: that was like the new tax on being the closest 551 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 5: one to Indy. 552 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,360 Speaker 4: So for people saying I can't. 553 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 5: Believe these casinos are losing money, it's not that they 554 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 5: were losing money. They were getting the tax, but Jesus 555 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 5: out of them. 556 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 4: Yeah. 557 00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 5: And also when these lawmakers gave licenses to these racinos, 558 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 5: they were under the impression it was going to be 559 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 5: packed to the gills like New York City Times Square 560 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 5: New Year's Eve three hundred and sixty five days a year. 561 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 3: Now. 562 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys have ever been to Anderson. 563 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 5: Or Shelbyville, but on a Wednesday night a few times 564 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 5: one in the morning, it doesn't look like Times Square 565 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 5: New Year's Eve. 566 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 4: I remember we. 567 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: Even went that one year for the couple of years 568 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: ago for the start of the NCAA tournament, and we thought, man, 569 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: this place is going to be packed to the Gills right, 570 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 1: and it just it wasn't. I mean, there were people there, 571 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 1: but it was like, man, I thought there'd be more 572 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: people here. 573 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's also a matter of having your dollar be stretched. 574 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 5: And a question that Jacob asked you guys was why 575 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 5: aren't people going to the casinos anymore? Like when I 576 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 5: worked in the marketing department in Shelbyville, our goal was 577 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 5: to make sure everybody had fun. We try to make 578 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 5: it feel like a party. We did game shows every 579 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 5: Friday and Saturday out. 580 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 4: On the floor. You know. 581 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,239 Speaker 5: I was on the mic my friend CJ. Miller who 582 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 5: used to work here with our pal Matt Wharton drunk 583 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 5: Matt drip uh and man, we had dance offs, we 584 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 5: had people. We hyped it up every five minutes. We're 585 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 5: teasing the big giveaway. Now when you walk into a 586 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 5: lot of these places, it's just so cookie cutter. 587 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 4: It's just black. 588 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: Is that because of budget cuts, like they just don't 589 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: have as much to work with as they once did. 590 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 5: Well that's a little bit of it. But here's the thing. 591 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 5: We got in trouble for making it too fun because 592 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 5: we drove attention to the big center bar where we're 593 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 5: doing the giveaways. 594 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 4: We're giving away a car. 595 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 3: We're giving away tables or the slots. 596 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 5: And if people are standing around watching and having fun 597 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 5: thinking they're going to win, they're not pumping that one 598 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 5: arm band. 599 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 4: So somebody came to you and was like, you're too 600 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 4: good at your job. You're making people. You're making people 601 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 4: have too much fun. 602 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 5: Right, because we would drive attention to the players club. 603 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 5: Get your player's card. You can't win without a card. 604 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 5: The giveaways coming up in one hour. And I was 605 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 5: the DJ on the floor, so I'm playing the countdown 606 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 5: music and we're hyping everybody up. We're doing singlelongs. But 607 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 5: I got yelled at for that by the management team 608 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 5: at the time because people were too engaged. You know, 609 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 5: we had too much fun going in there. So that's 610 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 5: the kind of battle that some of these places are 611 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 5: fighting too. 612 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 4: Now. His theory is it will hurt poor people. 613 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: Having a casino in downtown indianapolisay substeward of the that's 614 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: a load of crap. 615 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 3: No, that's research that it would pray on low income residents. 616 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 4: You know what. Load of crap. 617 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 5: And I'm sure there's a report that says that nobody cares. 618 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 5: Nobody cares if this place could make money. They don't care. 619 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 5: If it's coming from crackheads who are pedophiles, it doesn't matter. 620 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 5: That's such a load of crap, and people will talk 621 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 5: about it. And I'm sure Buffalo did a report that 622 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 5: says all this stuff nobody cares. It comes down to 623 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 5: is it going to be financially a hit or not? 624 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 5: And that's where I have questions, because nobody will love this, 625 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 5: probably more than I do. But I'm thinking I'm probably. 626 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 4: The exception more than rule. 627 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 5: Like I would get off work and then walk over there, 628 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 5: play blackjack for a couple of hours and go home. 629 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 4: And by the way, can I just say this real quick. 630 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: Your wife was on the other day, the crazy coupon lady, 631 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: and it's gotten progressively worse since your kids have gotten older. 632 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: And I love it the amount of crap you guys 633 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: give each other. I love that you have been married 634 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: this long and you don't want to be around each other. 635 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 4: I love that that's what keeps this marriage together. I 636 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 4: would sit together. I was just rolling. 637 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: I love when she's on because she hates you so much, 638 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: and the fact that she just is willing to. 639 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 4: Tell the world what a horrible. 640 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: Rotten person you are, and it's gotten worse out that 641 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: you don't have to fake it for the kids anymore. 642 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 5: But the fact that she's still around says you how 643 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,719 Speaker 5: good I am in the sack now? 644 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 4: Anyway. 645 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 5: Go back to the downtown casino for a second, though, 646 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 5: I think the money would be, to use a gambling term. 647 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 4: A push. 648 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 5: So if somebody is in town for a convention, let's 649 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,239 Speaker 5: say it's the firefighters or whoever. In the past, they 650 00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 5: would go to an Indians game or a fever Pacers game, whatever, 651 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 5: and go out to dinner. They'd spend money downtown. Now 652 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 5: they might go to the casino and do the same thing. 653 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 5: It's the same money, it's just going in different directions. 654 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: So you don't think that this will be some destination 655 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: where dollars would be rolling in that if we wouldn't 656 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: already be. 657 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 5: Getting I think the casino would do really well. I 658 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 5: think it would hurt other restaurants and things downtown, Like 659 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 5: I don't know how big it would hurt, but I 660 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 5: know if I'm going to a convention and again I'm 661 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:27,959 Speaker 5: the expression. 662 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 3: Next to a casino where walkable. 663 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm going there as opposed to going to find 664 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 5: something else to do. 665 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 3: I'm with you, how are. 666 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 4: They going to sell this? Though? 667 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: Because you touched this earlier. I remember having a conversation 668 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: there's been ten plus years ago now with a gaming 669 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: lobbyist and I was saying, Man, wouldn't it be great 670 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: if we had a casino on a rooftop of a 671 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: major building in downtown. No, No, you don't want that 672 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: at all. People will hate you. If you say that, 673 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: was like, well, it'd be all, it'd be great. How 674 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: if the gaming lobby is so against us because for years, 675 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: the gaming. 676 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 4: They're going to look out for all the other properties. 677 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: That's the gaming lobby and the liquor lobby, or were 678 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: the two most powerful lobbies in the state of The 679 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: gaming lobby's been hurt because of some bad you know, 680 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: pr and headlines and everything else. 681 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:07,959 Speaker 4: Oh, some of those dudes are just crooked. 682 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: Well, but how are they going to get this through 683 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,719 Speaker 1: if the gaming lobby is so against it? 684 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 5: They're going to have to prove that it's going to 685 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 5: be such a financial success. And this is where your 686 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 5: elected officials are going to have to use that bullypulpit. 687 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 4: To say, listen, we need this. 688 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 5: Make it happen, find a way and then they'll be 689 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 5: surprised that there's some sort of tax break for the 690 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 5: other casino properties around the state of Indiana. 691 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,719 Speaker 1: Soon would they be able to survive if they get it? 692 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: Are they done? 693 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 5: Shelby Villain Anderson would be in trouble. Now they do 694 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 5: have a horse racing track, but many people go to 695 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 5: the horse racing track. I'm asking, I'm not trying to 696 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 5: be facetious, like is it like is it filled? 697 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 3: Well, they're saying this report saying that it could cause 698 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 3: ten to seventeen million dollars in loss for the horse 699 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 3: racing business if there's a cascos down to. 700 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 5: Go into it, and they do like stream it from 701 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 5: things around the country. So now you can live in 702 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 5: another state, get on like the app or whatever and 703 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 5: make bets. I think on what's happening in Indy? Are 704 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 5: pal racing Rachel's the host of it all again? 705 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: Our boy Kenny Britt from the generous next Door Sports 706 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: Betting Party. I mean, he'll still be there, but everybody 707 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 1: else still be there, right. 708 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 4: But if they open a casino in downtown Indy. 709 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 3: It would pull from Shelbyville. 710 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 5: Andrews absolutely the whole marketing is their closest to Indy. 711 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,839 Speaker 3: Well right, but I don't think the other casinos around 712 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 3: the state would be as effected they're saying it would 713 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 3: pull nearly one hundred and forty million dollars from other casinos. 714 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 5: And by the way, Tara Hot, why are you not 715 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 5: advertising with me? Shelbyville Anderson. There's no bigger champion of 716 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 5: what you guys are doing than I am. Why are 717 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 5: you not partnered with me? 718 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 4: Of all people? 719 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 5: It's when you got access to the governor twice a 720 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 5: month and you don't want to partner with me. 721 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 3: When you were doing the marketing for the casino. How 722 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 3: many crock pots did you give away? 723 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:45,720 Speaker 4: Oh? 724 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 5: Man, it depends on what your player's club number was, 725 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 5: depends on how many points you earned. 726 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 3: And worth it to sign up for the players club. 727 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 4: I think it is. 728 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 5: Now you're going to get some emails, that's how we 729 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 5: get you back in. But you're also going to get 730 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 5: some free play too. 731 00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,959 Speaker 4: Okay, it was my job to put out the email. Black. 732 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: Do you notice the enthusiasm in his voice once anything 733 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: gambling comes up. I mean he's like a kid on Christmas, 734 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: Like you're way more enthusiastic about you. I bet you 735 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,320 Speaker 1: would have loved to have stayed in the gambling industry forever. 736 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was great until Obamacare came along and people 737 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 5: who were there for a long time had to be 738 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 5: replaced by people who were, Oh, I don't know, in 739 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 5: the country illegally. 740 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 3: I can't tell you how disappointed I am to learn though, 741 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 3: that fifty cents to every dollar goes to the state. 742 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 4: That's what it was. 743 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 5: I don't know if it's built in all the way, 744 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 5: but when we were there, yeah, that's why they were like, 745 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 5: you've got to stop being entertaining. 746 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 4: People have to pay these slot machines. Oh it's coming 747 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 4: up this afternoon. 748 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:41,760 Speaker 5: Uh, brace yourselves. Yeah, Nigel's off today. I know, Guy Ralferd, 749 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 5: the gun guy's in. We'll have some bargaments. Rick Snyder, 750 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 5: FOP President and beer sample Friday. 751 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 3: Thanks Sammer, you're listening to Kennel and Casey. It is 752 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 3: ninety three WIBC.