WEBVTT - Episode 4663: Tony Katz Today Hour 3 - 08/11/26 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:10.800 Live from Vall Hartliner and the Crossroads of America. It's 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:14.040 Tony Katz today. I don't think I need to reiterate 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:16.280 where I'm at. You can tell me about a low 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:18.720 key war from now until the end of time. I 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:20.720 don't know what that is. I don't know what a 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:23.080 low key war could possibly be. As a matter of fact, 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:25.800 I don't know if a low key war is winnable. Now, 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:28.760 if we're talking about economic pressure, if we're talking about, 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:33.760 as Major Mike Lyons discussed military analyst, the siege mentality, 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:37.000 Oh sure, I'm down with that. That makes perfect sense. 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:40.560 But that is not actually low key. That is about 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:44.440 purpose and keeping yourself on top of it, which may 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:48.320 include strikes. Just playing a low key and let Iran 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:52.320 economically fall apart. Well, it's nice in theory. I just 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:54.480 don't know if it can be done in practice. And 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:59.040 can you be low key against an enemy that's trying 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:01.160 to kill you? Which will bring us to the Air 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:04.560 Force one story, Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Good to 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:07.200 be with you. Leland Viddert joins us right now. He 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:10.080 is the host of On Balance with Leland Vindt over 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:13.840 at News Nation. Now go check that out every single evening. 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:17.440 You spent quite a few years studying the Middle East, 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:18.640 reporting from Jerusalem. 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:20.520 You were the guy over. 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:23.839 There back in the day Fox News covering Israel, covering 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:24.480 the Middle East. 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:25.880 This is your baliwick. 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:32.920 Let's start with the Iranian mindset towards the United States 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:34.119 and towards this war. 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:38.560 Where would you say they are in this battle. 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:43.320 They believe they are winning for a number of reasons. 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:49.400 That they think President Trump is probably weak would be 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:54.600 a good word, but certainly he is manageable. They believe 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:59.440 they understand where the pain points are. They think they 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:06.840 have a actively corralled him into a corner where he 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:11.840 is unable to escalate against them, and they will continue 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:16.399 to extract a price and humiliate him because they wont 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:20.000 him further weakened by a loss at the midterms. That 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:23.840 is how the Iranians are viewing it right now. And 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:26.320 they think they are in a better position right now 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:30.520 than when the war started, because they have proven to 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:33.000 the Arab world and to the rest of the world 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:36.720 that they can withstand the American president and they can 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:38.960 outlast him. I said at the very beginning of this war, 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:42.360 this was not going to be a war won or 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:45.800 lost by military might. This was a war won or 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:50.320 lost by political will, and the Iranians very clearly have 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:53.280 far more political will than Donald Trump does. 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:56.160 Does the political will come from. 0:02:57.120 --> 0:03:01.120 An ideological set meaning being Islamis or does it come 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:06.240 from the protection of knowing that as these kind of 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:09.400 broken up factions within the IRGC, Because I would argue 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:11.839 that there is no leadership to negotiate with. I don't 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.639 believe that the Foreign Minister or the speaker there for 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:19.840 their government has any power whatsoever. You've got these factionalized 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:23.800 groups within the IRGC, many of whom are working independently. 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:26.640 There is no way to corral them without troops on 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:28.840 the ground. And that's where anybody could have made a 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:32.520 calculation that that's the much more difficult play for the president, 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:34.400 that we don't seem to have that. 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:35.680 Desire in place. 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:41.760 Well, fair points except for the fact that we sort 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:44.040 of knew that from the beginning, right, and that is 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:48.760 why the Israelis had a plan in place to continue 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:52.920 decapitation strikes so that every group that either wouldn't make 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:56.840 a deal or broke a deal was no longer breathing 0:03:56.920 --> 0:04:01.360 air and was delivered to their personal meeting with Allah 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:06.880 and number two why they had a plan for the Kurds, 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:11.120 which are perhaps the longest and best US allies in 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:15.360 the Middle East, sands Israel a plan for the Kurds 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:21.279 to begin leading a ground invasion operation start of a 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:25.839 revolution that President Trump pulled the plug on because Erdawan 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:28.279 of Turkey called him and said, you know, he didn't 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:31.360 like it, and Trump went along with it, which is 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:37.680 wacky that that happened, and I think really horrible strategic miscalculation, 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:43.760 and Trump pulled the Israelis back. So to your point, yes, 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:48.880 that analysis is correct. But the reason that that analysis 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:53.320 is true is because President Trump drastically changed the course 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:56.880 of the war for domestic political considerations. 0:04:56.920 --> 0:05:01.600 Talking to Leland Vittertert from News Nation. Now you catch 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:05.680 them on balance with Leland Viddert every single evening at 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:09.400 nine pm Eastern time is when you catch that show. 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:13.600 I am one of the people who argues that this 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:17.320 was the right course, the proper course, and we should 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:20.000 have I'm glad you brought up the Kurds because I'm 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:22.560 a believer that yes, we can arm the Kurds, the 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:24.760 Kurds can work with the Iranian people. In top of 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:27.839 the IRGC on the ground the Kurds have a desire 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:30.200 to do so. There was the conversation about whether or 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:34.200 not the Vice President JD. Vance got in the way 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:39.119 of that, tried to stop that deal from happening, Which 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:43.640 brings us to is there a question within the administration 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:47.880 of these competing forces? Do you think on a real level, 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:52.039 you've got Rubio over here, You've got Vance over here, 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:56.600 you have possibly the Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth somewhere 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:59.719 in a varying amount of places, all vying for the 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:03.640 present's ear. Is there, in your view, a battle on 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:06.440 tactic and desire within the administration? 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:11.960 Sure, and there always is in every administration, there's varying factions, 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:14.560 whether it be on domestic policy on foreign policy. That's 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:19.080 not anything new. The problem with the JD. 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:22.960 Vance world view is that it doesn't work. 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:28.880 Much like socialism, it has a predictable end. You know, America, first, 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:32.120 we don't need to be involved in overseas, spending all 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:35.880 the money back here at home, forget Israel. All of 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:42.240 that sounds sort of plausibly true, and like, well, of 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:45.760 course we should do all of those things, until you 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:48.560 look at what the results have been same with socialism, 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:53.000 medicare for all. More money in your pocket sounds great. 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:56.400 Who doesn't think we should be able to have a 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:59.599 better education system. How can you turn your back on 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.960 in the future of America? And then you look at 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:06.800 Cuba and Venezuela and you know what socialism does. We 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:10.000 know what the America First Agenda does. It's what got 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:14.520 us into World War two. So I think you're right 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:19.480 that this is this faction issue is playing out more importantly. 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:23.240 I think for the conversation, President Trump is somebody who 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:25.120 does not like pain. 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:27.560 He likes easy. 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:33.840 Wins, not hard winds. Hard winds are by definition difficult. 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:36.960 That's why they're they're meaningful. That's why to your point, exactly, 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:39.400 no other president in forty seven years has taken the 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:44.680 Iranians on. He did, but was unwilling to endure the 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:51.280 pain to actually finish this. And it's sort of bewildering 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:53.000 to me that people who really say that, you know, 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:56.040 Trump is so strong and he's so committed and everything else. 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:59.840 This is a man who, when presented with even mild 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:03.400 domestic political pushback, wants to move on to the next thing. 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:06.160 And that's fine when you're building buildings because you can 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:09.160 always find another piece of real estate to buy. It's 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:13.520 not fine when dealing with fanatical terrorists like the Iranians 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:17.560 or a fanatical nationalist like Putin er G. 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:19.760 There was this talk. 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:23.720 Wall Street Journal had the story that Trump is looking 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:27.320 to move on. He wants any kind of exit he 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:31.960 can get, whatever kind of off ramp he can take, 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:34.480 and he's grown tired of this. I'm not somebody who 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:37.600 believes that he grows tired of things. He hasn't grown 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:40.120 tired of securing the border. He hasn't grown tired of tariffs. 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:42.000 I can point to a multiplicity of things. 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:44.840 And notes are all easy. They didn't cost him anything. 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:46.600 They didn't cost him anything to do. 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:49.680 They're cost inflation, so you know it may. 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:54.520 Cost him lives. It's a nebulous thing. He can declare victory. 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:57.800 He can talk about how he's winning, so he needed 0:08:57.800 --> 0:08:58.200 to be fair. 0:08:58.280 --> 0:08:58.760 On the border. 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:01.719 He is winning, but when it comes to Iran, he 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:06.040 can't say I'm winning in Iran. He does, and then 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:09.080 the Iranians, you know, tighten the thumb, screws on the 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:11.640 straight of horror moves and gas goes up by fifty cents, 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:14.440 and then he has, you know, a couple of strikes 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:16.360 for two days, and then goes, oh, the Iranians have 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:20.280 called me and begged me to stop. Nobody believes this anymore, and. 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:22.480 That is wholeheartedly true. 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:25.160 Leland talking to Leland Vidert of News Nation Now check 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:28.640 out on Balance with a Leland verdict every Monday through 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:31.520 Friday at nine pm. Look, I'm the guy, and you've 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:33.719 quoted me before, and I appreciate it. The first rule 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:36.400 of trumpsm is Trump wins, and the second rule of 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:38.520 trump Ism is that a deal can always be made 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:40.719 as long as it adheres to the first rule of 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:45.359 trump Ism. That has not changed since he was first elected. 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:49.440 I agree with you. You can't tell people that we're in control. 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:52.160 He took from the Oval yesterday. The President said we 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:54.560 controlled the straight of Horn moves one hundred percent, and 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:59.400 yet West Texas crewed was nearing eighty five dollars a barrel, 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:02.400 as I to you, is about eighty two dollars a barrel. 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:05.360 You can't say that you have control when that isn't 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:05.720 the case. 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:08.240 And I agree with you that no one believes him, 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:10.440 and it makes them look bad, It makes them look weak. 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:13.960 And this is where It gets even stranger because President Trump, 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:15.800 you and I would agree as not somebody who. 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:16.520 Ever wants that. 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:20.240 Look, he never wants that imagery put out there as 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:24.680 a weakness. So why is he employing a strategy that 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:28.240 is guaranteed to amplify this idea of weakness? 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:29.520 Number One? 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:32.920 He thinks and he believes that he can win by 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:36.120 declaring victory. And it's worked for him for most of 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:38.960 his life, right, It's why he declared victory in the 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:41.599 twenty twenty election. He thought he sort of can manifest 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:43.679 victory simply by stating it. 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:46.600 In many cases that's true. 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:51.880 In a few cases, like when dealing with fanatical terrorists, 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:55.960 the other side gets to say and the other side 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:58.760 has decided that they're not going to play ball. So 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:03.120 I I'm not sure. I think probably. You know, you 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:05.920 can't teach an old dog new tricks. Very difficult to 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:08.920 teach an old president that what's worked for them for 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:13.480 sixty years with phenomenal success. He did win two elections 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:17.080 as president of the United States. It's very difficult to 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:22.000 explain why what's been working for him won't work. And 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.360 I think also you have a lot of people Steve 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:28.320 Woitkoff Jared Kushner among them who are telling him that 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:33.400 it will work and explaining how it can. And this 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:37.880 we had Bill O'Reilly on last night, who I think 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:41.439 has very been very clear headed about this and has 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:46.160 said how much he thinks President Trump is in a 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:50.880 fight for his political life and legacy in the fight 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:55.560 with Iran, and it is a it is. It is 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:59.480 a fight in which simply declaring victory doesn't work. Roosevelt 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:02.679 could not just say we beat the Nazis. You actually 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.720 had to beat them. And that is true of iran Is. 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:07.880 You would pointed out at the beginning. It is a 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:11.520 very worthy goal. It is something worth doing, needs to 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:15.439 be done. We'll eventually have to be done because radical 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:19.320 Islam expansions. Islam is not going to stop, and hasn't 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.640 for fourteen hundred years with trying to conquer the West. 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:25.520 And I made the point yesterday that if just one 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:29.839 centrifuge gets started, one bit of uranium gets enriched after 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:33.000 we declare victory, that's a legacy that's tainted for forever. 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:35.640 And the president must what makes you think you're not 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:37.600 enriching uranium right now? 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:39.640 Well, if you want to sit here and have a Bourbon, 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:40.840 and we can get into that argument. 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:43.240 I don't disagree with you at all, Man, I don't 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:44.120 disagree with you at all. 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:47.760 And what's possible still on the ground, But that's another 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:50.880 conversation for another day. Talking to Leland vindder of News 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:54.960 Nation now you find him on balance with Leland Viddert 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:57.400 every Monday through Friday at nine pm. We've got a 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:03.280 series of primaries today, including the one there in Wisconsin 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:06.440 with Francesca Hung. I know you've written about this in 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:09.000 your column over there News Nation. Of course your substack 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:13.120 war notes. People should go check that out as well. 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:16.240 But this is a question about the DSA. And while 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:18.960 the president is having this issue I considered an issue 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:20.040 what's going on with Iran? 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:21.160 It hurts him. 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:23.880 Yet I can take a look at all the polling 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.520 in the world. I can see the congressional ballot, the 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:29.679 generic congressional ballot with Democrats up plus seven and laugh 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:32.079 out loud at it because they told me that Abdul 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:36.000 Lsied was up by thirteen plus points in Michigan and 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:40.880 he beat Haley Stevens by a point. Is the DSA 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:44.439 a drag on the Democrats? And is there something you're 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:48.920 looking for in these primaries, whether it's Wisconsin, Minnesota, we 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:51.200 got a special election in South Carolina, it shouldn't really 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:53.560 tell us much. Is there something that you're looking at 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:56.880 in these primaries that could tell us, or that you 0:13:56.920 --> 0:13:59.920 think tell us where the general election might go. 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:03.200 I'm going to tell you something nobody ever tells you 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:06.560 on radio or TV. You ready, yep, I don't know. 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:15.040 Excellent work. Yeah, that's why we have elections. The polling 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:19.480 was off in Michigan. Primaries, especially primaries with sort of 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:24.920 an insurgent base, are extremely hard to poll. General elections 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:29.080 are generally easier to poll. But there's a reason we 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:30.880 have elections, and we don't have a phone survey of 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:33.760 a thousand people to decide who wins every Senate race, 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:39.200 so that we have to wait and see how this 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:42.720 sort of plays out. I think in the next thirty 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:45.080 to sixty days you're going to have a better idea 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:51.400 if there is enough anger Democrats plus seven to make 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:55.360 up for the craziness of Abduel Siad, who thinks that 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:57.640 you know, Sharia law may not be a bad idea 0:14:57.680 --> 0:15:01.640 for the United States, but we we don't know how 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:08.800 this is going to level out. Unquestionably, the Democrats in 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:13.560 Michigan and nationwide for Michigan have made the calculus that 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:19.680 they are willing to pour unlimited resources into Michigan in 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:23.120 behind Abdul Saya. They think he can win, can he? 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.880 That's why we have elections. Franchessca Hong, I think is 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:29.920 where you may be onto something more significant. And I 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:34.680 say that because Bernie Sanders and AOC have an endorsed her. Yes, 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:37.720 she is probably going to win the primary, but she 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:43.920 is also far far lacking in the political skills what 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:46.880 you would call being a political athlete to deal with 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:49.960 all of her wacky stuff from the past, like the Saiyad. 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:55.040 Don't like Saiyad. He's a generationally talented political athlete. Franchessca 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:56.880 Hong is not. And it's why Bernie and AOC have 0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:00.000 an endorsed her. It's why you're seeing a much more 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:04.840 sideline view by establishment Democrats and even by the DSA 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:08.280 in her candidacy. Does that change when she wins the primary? 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:11.480 We don't know. Leland Viddert. 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:16.040 Find him on News Nation NewsNation Now dot com on 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:20.640 Balance with Leland Viddert every Monday through Friday at nine pm. 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.080 Good to see us. Sir, we'll talk more in the future. 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:26.320 Keep it right here. This is Tony Katz today. I'm 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:29.440 going to say something that will shock you to your core. 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:33.000 Did you know that it was hot in the month 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:37.560 of July. I wasn't trying to I wasn't trying to 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:41.040 tell a joke. But if you watch news reports, they're 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:44.560 amazingly upset. This is dangerous stuff. As a matter of fact, 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:47.520 it wasn't just hot. It was the hottest July in 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:52.479 the history of mankind. You don't know that, you weirdos 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:56.720 Tony Katz, Tony Katz today a pleasure. US just had 0:16:56.760 --> 0:17:01.560 its hottest month on record. This was Axios reporting. The 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:06.440 data goes back to eighteen ninety five. The average temperature 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:09.280 in July was seventy six point eight nine degrees fahrenheit, 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:14.440 topping the seventy six point seven to seven degree mark 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:18.440 that was set in July of nineteen thirty six. Of course, 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.600 in nineteen thirty six we had all that global warming, 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:22.960 what with all. 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:23.800 Of the cars. 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:28.920 There were cars, there just weren't that many cars, not 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:32.879 like we have today. Cars, cars everywhere, trucks everyhere. It 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:36.640 wasn't that And already the global warming was destroying us, 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:42.040 or or it is a cycle that goes hold on, 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:46.439 it's twenty twenty six every ninety years. Now, I'm not 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:50.520 an expert, I'm not a climatologist. But are there cycles 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:58.679 of weather over centuries? Is that a weird question to ask? 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:02.080 I don't. I think that's a weird question to ask. 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:04.119 As a matter of fact, I would say that's a 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:06.760 rather normal question to ask. 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:11.920 According to Wheeler's weather cycles, I swear to you this 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:12.440 is a thing. 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:16.960 Historical analysis suggests a one hundred year cycle with four 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:21.360 phases cold, dry, warm, wet, warm, dry, cold, wet, nested 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:24.960 within larger five hundred year and one thousand year cycles 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:28.880 that correlate with societal shifts and extreme weather events. 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:33.480 Listen to me carefully. We should not burn. 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:38.520 Tires in the middle of the road. We absolutely should 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:43.560 say to ourselves we can be people who mitigate outputs 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:49.080 through smart practices, outputs of pollutants, etc. And still get 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:53.520 desired results. We should never say, because of dear sweet 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:56.879 mother Gaya, we don't run air conditioning. That's crazy talk. 0:18:57.200 --> 0:18:59.639 Nor should we say, well, we're done using oil and 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:02.040 what we're on wind and solar. You wouldn't be able 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:05.000 to hear this show if we relied on wind and solar. 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:09.560 But it was hot in nineteen thirty six, and it's 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:12.520 hot now. And you look at the data, and we've 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:16.040 had hot trends before, all right, it was hot in 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:17.960 nineteen hundred, then it got a little bit hotter in 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:23.920 nineteen thirty six, and then it dropped in the fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties, 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:26.639 and then it's it's been on a trend and then 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:28.440 it went down and it went back up. 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:34.560 Sounds normal. These people just won't be normal. 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:37.560 They just want to try and scare you to their 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:45.680 political advantage. This is Tony Katz today. I thought that 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:50.399 exchange on CNN was worthy of sharing because it's a 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:56.320 great example of things both internationally, nationally, locally where the 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:59.680 level of hate is, and more importantly, where the level. 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:00.560 Of dece is. 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:04.040 Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, an absolute pleasure to be 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:04.320 with you. 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:04.720 Now. 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:08.320 I have come to the place where I don't pay 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:13.679 attention to CNN, and while I still have friends and 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:17.320 colleagues who appear on that show Newsnight with Abby Phillip, 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:21.520 I'm past it and I would rather that they were 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:25.520 as well. I can understand why people do cable news 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:27.160 of all stripes, right. 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:29.160 I do a lot of News Max these days. 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:32.520 And I still like the idea that you go to 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:36.879 the places that disagree because you want to be able 0:20:37.000 --> 0:20:39.560 to share an idea with people who. 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:41.960 May not normally hear it. I think that's really good. Now. 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:45.600 Some things I don't Some things I think are just mental. 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:51.399 Piers Morgan's show, I've never been asked. I've never tried 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:55.840 to be asked that show is mental. He's got four 0:20:55.880 --> 0:21:00.119 guests or five guests and it's constant screaming, and holy hell, 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:01.840 is that not for me? 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:04.320 Don't want it, don't want to be a part of it. 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:07.360 And if that's what it takes to be a superstar, 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:11.920 screw that. Well Tony, you got appear on all the 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:14.119 crazy shows to deal with all the crazies because everybody 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:15.920 wants to watch the crazy and that's how you get 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:20.639 all the followers and the clicks. So screw that. I'm good, 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:25.760 we get great ratings, we have great sponsors, like I'm fine. 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:27.600 Can't live like that. 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:32.760 How can anybody on the daily go on to this 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:37.679 show with Abby Phillip and think that somehow they're doing 0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:42.399 something worthwhile. It's not just some people engage in the 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:46.280 conversation where there's agreement and disagreement. It is a proactive 0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:51.399 maneuver to shun, stifle and shame right wing voices and 0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:55.359 never confront left wing madness. How many more clips do 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:57.800 we need to see? And I will say it again 0:21:57.880 --> 0:22:00.680 for the people in the cheap seats. Very worst part 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:03.920 of it all is that Abby Philip. If she had 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:07.960 played it correctly with Scott Jennings, she could have had 0:22:07.960 --> 0:22:12.439 the show that everybody had to watch. She could have 0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:15.760 been it and she could have introduced herself in thoughts 0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:18.560 at moments where she could have had strong pushback. 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:20.680 If she had just kept everybody on the. 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:24.040 Straight and narrow, let Scott Jennings do what he does 0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:31.480 without the levels of host intimidation, host silencing, the propping 0:22:31.600 --> 0:22:36.040 up of maddening voices she man she could have, She 0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:41.400 could have owned the network instead. It's no thanks, that's 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:45.880 what it's become. That's what it has become. Now other 0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:49.600 people have joined the fray. Brad Todd does that show. 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:51.840 I don't know Brad, but I think he's very good. 0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:56.159 Sometimes you see Pete Seat on that show. I know 0:22:56.280 --> 0:22:59.280 Pete and I think for that show, Pete does very 0:22:59.359 --> 0:23:04.040 very good work. Jason Rantce is on that show, radio 0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:07.520 host out of Seattle. I think he does remarkably well. 0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:09.879 He's a talented cat. And there's a guy by the 0:23:09.960 --> 0:23:14.680 name of Jesse Arm. Jesse Arm is with the Manhattans two. 0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:19.399 The Manhattan Insitute is where the smart people are. Love 0:23:20.880 --> 0:23:25.680 love the Manhattans too. And on this show is Jason 0:23:25.800 --> 0:23:30.160 Rants and Abby Phillip has a fill in host, and 0:23:30.200 --> 0:23:34.040 you've got Jesse Arm and you've got Neil Stanage. 0:23:34.720 --> 0:23:36.560 Now I believe I'm pronouncing his name right. 0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:40.640 He is Irish as an Irish journalist, and he's associated 0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:45.119 with the Hill and he is, like far too many 0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:50.600 people in Ireland, a bigot. The jew hate, the anti 0:23:50.600 --> 0:23:55.600 Semitism in Ireland is absolutely through the roof. And so 0:23:55.720 --> 0:24:01.680 here is this conversation that's taking place taking place on 0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:06.000 the show, and I want you to hear this clip of. 0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:09.800 It that has some work to do. Had Haley Stevens 0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:12.800