1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: Line from the Heartland and the Crossroads of America. 2 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today, the. 3 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 3: Mental It's hard to believe that that has been the 4 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 3: case throughout our history, and frankly. 5 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 2: We still need to fight that battle. 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 3: But as you know, we and the Kenny Forum have 7 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 3: also taken on the Alignment for Progress, And in the 8 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 3: Alignment for Progress, we're not only advocating for more access, 9 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 3: meaning payers reimburse for care, but we're also advocating for outcomes. 10 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 3: God forbid, we would ever want to pay for something 11 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 3: that actually has better outcomes. 12 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: And so the idea is the alignment. 13 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 3: We have to align the reimbursement to pay for the treatments. 14 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:55,639 Speaker 2: That actually show the greatest results. 15 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: So that is a former Representative Patrick Kennedy, Democrat Rhode Island, 16 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: engaged in a conversation that you could actually go along with. 17 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: If we want to talk about healthcare, we don't talk 18 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 2: about specifically mental health. 19 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: Why don't we do the things that work if we 20 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 1: can get a benefit, if we can see a reality 21 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: that if we do X, we get the outcome of 22 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: why why wouldn't we be invested in those exact things? 23 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 2: Tony Katz. 24 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today good to be here, good to be 25 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: with you find everything over at Tony Katz dot com. 26 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: So Sexutary of Health and Human Services. You've got Approach 27 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: Robert F. Kennedy Junior. You've got doctor Oz who runs 28 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: Medicare Medicaid. They are going to be speaking about mental 29 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: health and mental health outcomes and where we need to 30 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: be putting our time and attention. 31 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 2: Did I say hello, Tony Katz, Tony kats today, that's me. 32 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 2: That's the name of the show. I appreciate you being here. 33 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: I have argued on more than one occasion that MAHA 34 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: Make America Healthy Again is an absolute winner. It has 35 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: proven massively successful with mothers, massively successful with families. It 36 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: has shown itself to be incredibly incredibly successful that this 37 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: idea of we're gonna get the food dies out, We're 38 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: gonna get the food editives out, We're gonna honestly address 39 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: this ridiculous food pyramid and say eat real food, eat 40 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:32,239 Speaker 1: nutrient rich, nutrient dense foods. Steak is good, and let's 41 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: stop being angry with saturated fats. 42 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,679 Speaker 2: For the love of the Lord, fantastic. These are winners. 43 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: And as much as I have concerns about Robert F. 44 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 2: Kennedy's politics, which I still do. 45 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: I won't deny things that are successful be a radical 46 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: thing to do. Rather, I want to know how we 47 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: can build upon these things. I believe Republicans need to 48 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: be on these things and continuing them down the road. 49 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: That Democrats are okay with the same old, same old 50 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: that destroy your children, that lead them to worse health outcomes, 51 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: that lead them to worse lives, lives of pain and 52 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: misery and mental misery. 53 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 2: Maybe we can look at this stuff differently. 54 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: And so now they're going to have a conversation about 55 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: mental health and addiction. Certainly there are a lot of 56 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: people out there who deal with the addiction issue. I 57 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: can tell you that that I never had to depression, 58 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: being suicidal. I went through that in my twenties. Not fun, 59 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: but you can come out the other side. Life does 60 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: get better. I am here to say the words, life 61 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: does get better. Depression is real. Dealing with it was awful. 62 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: I spent a fair amount of my twenties suicidal, miserable, miserable, miserable. 63 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,119 Speaker 1: I was discussing with somebody over the weekend that there 64 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: are months I'd have to go back and actually stare 65 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: at a calendar to figure out the year. But there 66 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: are months in my twenties where I can't tell you 67 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: what I did every day. No no one remembers what 68 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: they did every day. I didn't have a job, I 69 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: didn't have I didn't have anything. 70 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 2: What was I doing? How was I spending my time? 71 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 2: I have no idea. I have zero levels of recollection. 72 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: Not a way you want to live. This is better 73 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: by far and in many many ways. But I never 74 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: once had to deal with an addiction, and I and 75 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: I never had that in a family setting. Unbelievably difficult stuff. 76 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: Not only in the dealing with addiction and how you 77 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: help people to find a place for that, but also 78 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: if you are a family in and around that you 79 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: how do you deal with that? It's funny, maybe maybe 80 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: i'd but. 81 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 2: I feel that we see that often. 82 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: With people who deal with those with with Parkinson's or 83 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: those with cancer, about how the surrounding family works with 84 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 1: that and and deals with that. But what about family 85 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: and all the other things. Certainly there's some conversations about 86 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: family and addiction. 87 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 2: So this is what they're talking about. And Robert F. 88 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: Kennedy Jr. Is now taken to the stage let's hear 89 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: what he has to say. Is he's being asked questions 90 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: by the founder and president of something called Health Spirian. 91 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: His name is Tom I think it's Katsumphus, and we'll 92 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: hear the questions about the country. 93 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,799 Speaker 4: All parts of families, mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers. It really 94 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 4: is so extraordinarily important, and I know how important it 95 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 4: is to you, and so we're so grateful for you 96 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 4: to spend the time with us today. But also I 97 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 4: think to hear from you about why it's important and 98 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 4: sort of where we're going with the exciting new announcements 99 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 4: that you made just recently around the executive order and 100 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 4: the focus that you're taking to address these issues. 101 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 2: Talk to us about that. 102 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 5: I mean, it's just it's a raw financial issue. It 103 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 5: can be reduced to a raw financial issue. It caused 104 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 5: about ninety two billion dollars here in direct cousture, eight 105 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 5: hundred and ninety billion a year in indirect costs and 106 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 5: lost productivity and cost to our healthcare system, and then 107 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 5: just collateral damage. 108 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 2: And all the collateral illness. 109 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 5: Is one of the things Patrick and I were talking 110 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 5: about backstage is the intensity of use by drug addicts 111 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 5: and alcoholics of the health care system that they you know, 112 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 5: they're in the emergency room. 113 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 2: All the time. They're also imposing costs. 114 00:06:55,680 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 5: On our justice system. There, imposing cost us on our 115 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 5: foster care system. They overutilize every aspect of the government 116 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 5: and you get them into treatment and all that stops 117 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 5: and they stop. You know, Patrick was telling me that 118 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 5: he went to seventeen rehabs and but he was in 119 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 5: the emergency room once a week with you know, everything 120 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 5: from kidney infections, contusions on his face from falling, and 121 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 5: that in fifteen years that he's been sober, he's never 122 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 5: been to an emergency room. And you know, I see that, 123 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 5: we all know that that's what happens. Statics there, they're 124 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 5: negative producers and there, just like I said, in economic terms, 125 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 5: their drags on the whole system, but also just for 126 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 5: the morale of our country we are in what we're 127 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 5: facing now in this country is we have the worst 128 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 5: health outcomes in the history of the world, have the 129 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 5: highest chronic disease burden of any country in the world. 130 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 5: We pay the highest cost two to three times what 131 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 5: Europeans pay for healthcare, and we've lost six years Europe 132 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 5: in terms of our life span. Over the past two decades, 133 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 5: we've got the highest inframortality rate in developed world, the 134 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 5: highest maternal mortality rate in the developed world. And then 135 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 5: are cancer rates. We're having an epidemic of coorectal cancer. 136 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,839 Speaker 2: Now I'm children, Now we'll get into that. 137 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: But I do say when we talk about people and 138 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: addictions and issues and health issues, I would rather be 139 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: focused on what keeps people alive and healthy as opposed 140 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: to well these outcomes being better productivity for the nation. 141 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: I'm not interested in keeping people alive because they're going 142 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: to be good workers. 143 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: Mentioned in people. 144 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: Being alive because we want people to be alive and 145 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: what creates a better life and the other things come 146 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: from that. 147 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 2: And they just I always think that needs us a 148 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 2: little bit of focus. 149 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 5: To fill that lonely hole in the side of them. 150 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 5: And so you know, you're seeing record numbers of addictions now. 151 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 5: The highest cause of death overdose is in children under 152 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 5: in Americans hundred forty five years old. And we can't 153 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 5: fix that by treating the addiction alone. We have to 154 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 5: treat the the the causes of it. We have to 155 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 5: work on prevention, we have to intervene early, but we 156 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 5: have to figure out ways to reconnect, particularly our children, 157 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 5: with community. Addiction is about isolation. It's a disease of isolation. 158 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 5: Addicts end up alone, they burn their relationships, they lose 159 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 5: their jobs, they end up in room or jails or 160 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 5: institutions or dead. And the ultimate solution to that is 161 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 5: reconnecting people to community. And you know, we have to 162 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 5: look at how do we do that strategies, not how 163 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 5: do we do that? And Patrick talked about outcome directed 164 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 5: strategies and that's what we need to focus on. 165 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 2: The fragmentation is taking occurring. 166 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 5: And the response to the response is, you know, there's 167 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 5: no coordination between all of the needs and the institutions 168 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 5: that you know it could help with this problem, the 169 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 5: housing and law enforcement, and healthcare and mental health care. 170 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 2: There's no coordination. 171 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 5: And it's a fee base service system. So people are 172 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 5: just like the medical system. People have an economic incentive to. 173 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 2: Make sure you don't get well. 174 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 5: And that's not people who work in these you know, 175 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 5: in as caregivers don't want you to be well, of. 176 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 2: Course they do. The system itself is designed to keep 177 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 2: you sick every time. 178 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: If the system itself, Secretary Kennedy, is designed to keep 179 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: you sick, and there are people in that system all 180 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: over the place who feel better off if you're sick, 181 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: which is why we need to do things that make 182 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: us well, regardless of what makes them happy. And this 183 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 1: is the kind of stuff that I think is a 184 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: winning conversation in America really for everybody, but politically for Republicans. 185 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 2: Just think that it is. This is a winner. 186 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: We'll have more of this and we're gonna hear more 187 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: of what Bobby Kennedy has to say. 188 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 2: The Secretary of Health. 189 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: And Human Services, Robert F. Kennedy Junior, keep it here. 190 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: This is Tony kats today revolutionize sober housing. 191 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 5: I am a really strong believer in sober housing. I 192 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 5: think it's you know, we need to not just treat 193 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 5: the attic and then put them back into the environment 194 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 5: that I was making him sick or contributing let me 195 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 5: put it this way, contributing to his sick illness. 196 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 2: We need to give him some stability or her some stability, and. 197 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 5: From there they can get employment, they can develop relationships, 198 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 5: they can develop independence, and then they can move on. 199 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,079 Speaker 1: But you need that is the Secretary of Health and 200 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 1: Human Services, Robert F. Kennedy, who is speaking now about 201 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: mental health and addiction, discussing new plans for dealing with 202 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: these things, and taking a look specifically at where we 203 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: can create better outcomes as opposed to better management. Tony Katz, 204 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today, this is all part of this is 205 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: all happening right now as we speak, and is all 206 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 1: part of where HHS has kind of moved into, which 207 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: is not just pushing the same old, same old, but 208 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: rather taking a look at issues, taking a look at 209 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: core competencies, taking a look at real data, not just 210 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: what others want to believe is data, but the true data, 211 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: and saying how do we go about fixing these things 212 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: and creating better outcomes? Which is why I think he 213 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: has been so successful and why I think that MAHA 214 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: Make America Healthy Again will be so successful for the midterms. 215 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: But let's take it back, as they're talking about addiction 216 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: and the American populace. 217 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 5: Wise people and the profits and through nature nowhere with 218 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 5: such texture and grace and joy as through other human beings. 219 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 5: And when we cut off our relationships with other human beings, 220 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 5: we lose that access to the divine and that is 221 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 5: a healing power. 222 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 2: We are in a. 223 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 5: Spiritual malays in this country, and we need to give 224 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 5: people access to all different ways of reconnecting with. 225 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 2: Something that is higher themselves. 226 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 5: And you know, I'm reminded of Bill Wilson, who was 227 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:11,719 Speaker 5: the founder of the Twelve sem movement, had a He 228 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 5: was in a program before he launched AA, which was 229 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 5: called the Oxford Group, and the Oxford Group had age 230 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 5: steps and are from which the Twelve Steps of AA 231 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 5: are taken, and those eight steps were intended to induce 232 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 5: a spiritual awakening. And Bill Wilson had that spiritual awaking, 233 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 5: and his compulsion to drink, which he'd been fighting for 234 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 5: forty years, suddenly just went away, just miraculously, and he 235 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 5: could not imagine that he would ever take a drink again. 236 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 5: And then he during that six month period when he 237 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 5: was sober, he put together a deal to buy the 238 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 5: primary vendors for the good year and fire someome entire companies, 239 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 5: and it would have made the deal was going to 240 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 5: make him millionaire and set him. 241 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 2: Up for life. 242 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 5: This was the height of the Great Depression in nineteen 243 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 5: thirty two, and he went out to Akron to ink 244 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 5: the deal, and somebody else had gone in and stolen 245 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 5: the deal from him, and he had put all of his. 246 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 2: Finances in that deal, and he was crushed. 247 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 5: He was standing in the lobby of the Mayflower Hotel 248 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 5: and Akron and all of a sudden, all of that 249 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 5: compulsion to drink came back to him full force. And 250 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 5: he was twenty feet away from the lounge, and he 251 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 5: could hear the ice clinking in the glasses. 252 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 2: And he could hear the laughter. 253 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 5: Of the patrons, and it was screaming at him to 254 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 5: come in and get a drink. 255 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 2: And on his way to the lounge, he had the. 256 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 5: Central revelation of the twelve step programs, which is he 257 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 5: realized the only way that he was going to stay 258 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 5: sober is if he helped another alcoholic, and he went 259 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 5: instead of going into the lounge, he went into a 260 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 5: phone booth and he got the Yellow Page and he 261 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 5: looked up preachers, the Salvation Army, sanitariums, and hospitals looking 262 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 5: for a hopeless alcoholic that he could talk to. 263 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 2: That's a crazy story. 264 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 5: And he eventually found Bob Smith, doctor Bob Smith, who 265 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 5: had tried everything to quit drinking, and he was able 266 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 5: to persuade Bob Smith to meet with him. And when 267 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 5: Bob Smith came into the meeting, he said, you got 268 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 5: fifteen minutes because he'd ever heard it all, he never 269 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 5: heard it from another alcoholic. And they ended up talking 270 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 5: all night and that was the first twelve step meeting, 271 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 5: and they both decided the next day the only way 272 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 5: they're going to stay subber is to find another alcoholic. 273 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 5: So they went to the hospital and they found a 274 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 5: guy who was literally. 275 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 2: Handcuffed to a bed, and he was a third member. 276 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 5: And it was that this realization that the only way 277 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 5: that the spiritual awakening works, but it's just a daily reprieve, 278 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 5: and if it's not renewed every day through the service 279 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 5: to other people, through the service to other alcoholics, say, 280 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:09,959 Speaker 5: you'll lose it. 281 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 2: Now, not having ever gone through anything like that, Is 282 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 2: that true? Is that true? 283 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 1: Because he's having a conversation about how you create purpose. 284 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 2: Purpose is everything. 285 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: The purpose driven life is the only way one actually 286 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: has a life. 287 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 2: That's it. 288 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: If you don't have purpose, you don't have anything. Every 289 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: day you wake up, what is your plan? What are 290 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: you trying to get accomplished? How are you trying to 291 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: accomplish it? Who are you trying to connect with? 292 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 2: What is that? 293 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: Who are you trying to provide for what are you 294 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: trying to make impact on purpose driven life? I mean, 295 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: that's what it's talking about, and that every day that 296 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: the day should have a purpose. The day doesn't have 297 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: a purpose, you might as well just drink the day 298 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: away or snort the day away and let it let 299 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: it all fall fall away, let it all just fall 300 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: right away. He's having this serious conversation that's really thoughtful, 301 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 1: introspective commentary. 302 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 2: And yet you go to online. 303 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,719 Speaker 1: Chats and what are they talking about? He sounds funny. 304 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 1: They can't stop themselves. You want to talk about their addiction. 305 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: Addicted to the hate, addicted to the vitriol, addicted to 306 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: the anger, addicted to the attacks, wanting to rip people apart, 307 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,959 Speaker 1: wanting to ridicule people, as opposed to engaging. 308 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 2: They have no interest. 309 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: Want to talk about the addiction of social media, even 310 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: on the live streams. They don't want to engage in commentary. 311 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: They don't want to share ideas. How can we destroy 312 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: what's the difference between Robert F. 313 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 2: Kenny Jr. 314 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: Is talking about and these people And the answer is 315 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 1: there's none. They're addicted to the damage. They get joy 316 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: from the degradation. It's not a life help me out. 317 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 2: I want to hear more from him. 318 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: I do want to talk about the Grammys, so I'll 319 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: try and get to both. 320 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 2: Keep it here. I'm Tony Katz. 321 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: This is Tony Katz Today. 322 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 5: Now we're all we're all hybrid beings. We're half spiritual 323 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 5: and half biological, and a lot of times our biological 324 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 5: being is that. 325 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 2: Doesn't have the best judgment. 326 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 5: And the challenge is out you walk with one foot 327 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 5: in the huge world and one in the biological world. 328 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 2: That is Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 329 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: Talking more about mental health and admitted that he goes 330 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 1: to a A meeting, assuming he means an AA meeting 331 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: every single day, every day. Tony Katz, Tony Katz Today, 332 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: good to be with you. Also, the lineup before the 333 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: halftime show being put together by Turning Point, Kid Rock, 334 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: Brantley Gilbert, Lee Brice, and Gabby Barrett. Now I go 335 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: to produce her landing because he knows more about these 336 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: things than I do. Outside of Kid Rock, do I 337 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: know these other people? 338 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 2: Gabby Barrett had a big song a couple of years ago. 339 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 1: You don't really hear much of her, but Brandley, Gilbert 340 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: and Lee Brice are pretty big. 341 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 2: So this is a thing. Oh yeah, like this is 342 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 2: this a thing? You're gonna watch more than likely? 343 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 1: All right, this is the All American halftime Show. It's 344 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: either this or it's bad, bunny, and you can choose 345 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: for yourself. I still haven't figured out whether I'm watching 346 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: the thing. I mean, my kid wants to watch it. 347 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch it. 348 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 2: But Patriots Seahawks? 349 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: And am I really that big of a Sam Darnold 350 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: fan that I have to watch this thing? 351 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 6: Now? 352 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: Would I like to see him take all the Super 353 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 1: Bowl and just to prove everybody wrong and see how 354 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: many more people they can fire at the Minnesota Vikings. Yes, 355 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: that that in and of itself would be all right 356 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: and worthwhile. 357 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:37,959 Speaker 2: I wouldn't. 358 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: I would not mind seeing that in the slightest The 359 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 1: Grammys happened yesterday, and correct, you did not watch. I 360 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: understand that you did not watch, and you understand why 361 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: you didn't watch, because they are not connected to you. 362 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 2: They are not. 363 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: Engaged with you. They're not addressing the situation on any 364 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: level as you would. 365 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 2: It is a. 366 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: Continued lecture from these people. When Don Lemon was arrested 367 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: for interrupting church services via intimidation, and if you saw 368 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: my videos about this good I'm glad Don Lemon was arrested. 369 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: Don't tell me he was a journalist. That is all ridiculous. 370 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: He wasn't a journalist when he was proactively, purposefully and 371 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: knowingly disrupting church services, and as the indictment goes, he 372 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: was proactive in keeping people from moving around. He was 373 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: blocking people's way, blocking their path, preventing them from leaving. 374 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: Then has the audacity to do this interview with the 375 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: church pastors as I'm just exercising my first moment rights. 376 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 2: Absolutely, he should have been arrested. He's a low guy. 377 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 2: He is not a savior, he is not a hero, 378 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 2: he is not valuable. He isn't. 379 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: And then he shows up because remember he got arrested 380 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 1: in LA he was there to cover the Grammys. And 381 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: then he comes back and he makes this ridiculous speech, 382 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: and he shows up and there are people to Grammys 383 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 1: who give him a standing ovation. It would be one 384 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,239 Speaker 1: thing to disagree with Trump about policy, to disagree with 385 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: Trump about how one should engage illegal immigration. I mean, certainly, 386 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:41,959 Speaker 1: if you're not somebody who's we've been willing to call 387 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: it illegal immigration, there you have no leg to stand on. 388 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 2: But the idea that you're okay with. 389 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: Walking into churches, walking into places of worship, disrupting the 390 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: services and keeping people from as we heard in one report, 391 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: being able to see their kids. Let's see Don Lemon 392 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: do that in a mosque, and let's see these grammy people, 393 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: this celebrity class of pseudo intellectualism support it. They support 394 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: a legal immigration, and then they engage that support with 395 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: these pseudo intellectual commentaries, which brings us to Billie Eilish. 396 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 2: She's there with her. I think that's her brother who 397 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 2: writes the music with. 398 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: Her, and I'm not opposed per se to her music. 399 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 2: Maybe songs I like, songs I don't, but this is 400 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 2: absolute madness. 401 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: Now, I think I've got this edited well. Producer Land 402 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: and the finger on the dumb button. Let's start here 403 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: with Billie Eilish so much. 404 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 6: I feel so honored every time I get to be 405 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,239 Speaker 6: in this room, and as grateful as I feel, I 406 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 6: honestly don't feel like I need to say anything but. 407 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 2: That no one is illegal on stolen land. And at 408 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 2: that moment, how am I supposed to take anything? 409 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: Billie Eilish says, seriously, the lack of intellectual heft here. 410 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: It's a dumb comment. What does that even mean? You're 411 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: on stolen land. It's not the United States of America, 412 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: of course it is no. We took this from Native Americans, 413 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: and they took it from other Native Americans, and they 414 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 1: took it from other Native Americans. It is a nonsense 415 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: argument meant to denigrate the place that has allowed you 416 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: to make millions. It is a hatred of place and 417 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: space that is seen as some kind of a valuable 418 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: proposition where it's not mainly because the idea of stolen 419 00:25:54,520 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: land is nonsense. It's mythology. It is not an intellectual pursuit. 420 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: And on this stolen land, Billie Eilish again returns to 421 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 1: get a grammy, And then I was on this stolen. 422 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 2: Land where she attended an after party. 423 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: It's on this stolen land where she lives in her 424 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: six million dollar mansion on the beach, where she has 425 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: armed guards to protect herself from you trying to steal 426 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: her stolen land or anything she has been able to 427 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: make for herself, on this stolen land, which is clearly 428 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: ill gotten. But she's not done being a pseudo intellectual. 429 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 1: And listen to all those Lennen cheering about stolen land. 430 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 2: They don't leave. 431 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: They keep making the money here, they don't give it back. 432 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: They don't say I have a five bedroom, three point 433 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: two million dollar house, not as big as Billie Eilish says, 434 00:26:59,000 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: here you are. 435 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 2: I shouldn't be allowed this. It was stolen. They don't 436 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 2: do that. And they all went to the after party. 437 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 6: And yeah, it's just really hard to know what to 438 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 6: say and what to do right now. 439 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 2: And I just I feel really hopeful in this room, 440 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 2: and I feel. 441 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 6: Like we just need to keep fighting and speaking up 442 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 6: and protesting, and our voices really do matter, and the 443 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 6: people matter, and let's say sorry. 444 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 2: And that's why I have the. 445 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: Atfire, she says f Ice, and these people, all protected 446 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: by armguards, cheer these people who support illegal immigration. Did 447 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: you know that you couldn't even enter the room. You 448 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: could not have gotten into the Grammys if they didn't 449 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: have a picture. 450 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 4: I d. 451 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: Yet, illegal immigrants should be out to stay and Blank Ice, 452 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: that is Billie Eilish pushing for more people to engage 453 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 1: in violence against immigrations and customs enforcement and law enforcement. 454 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: Doesn't Billie Eilish know she's a bad person, She's probably 455 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: never heard that before. 456 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 2: You're a bad. 457 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: Person, Billie Eilish. You're not good, you're not decent. You're 458 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: not educating people or helping people. You're engaged in an 459 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: absolute bit of violence here and pushing for violence to 460 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 1: take place against law enforcement. You're pushing for a legal 461 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,959 Speaker 1: immigration for law breakers. Do they all get to now 462 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: live at your house because you're saying you should open 463 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: up the house. Oh no, no, person's illegal, it's stolen land. 464 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: We can't be going after these people open up your 465 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: house and let them live there. What argument are you 466 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: actually providing If you're not willing to do this, it 467 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: is clear and it is obvious that your argument is foolhardy. 468 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: Your argument is based on a childlike look. 469 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 2: At the world. 470 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: Not only should you not be taken seriously, parents need 471 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: to go to their children and say, you know, she's ridiculous, right, 472 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: She gets to look at the world behind her, her 473 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: safety insecurity, while you don't have that safety insecurity. She 474 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: is the elitist, she's the snob. You don't want to 475 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: know what a limousine liberal is there? 476 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 2: It is now. 477 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: Someone in the chat rooms said, you're yelling about a 478 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: pop star. Actually I am sharing a problem, which is 479 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: she has fans, and this. 480 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 2: Fan base. 481 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: Gets ginned up by these kinds of statements, these kinds 482 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: of statements that aren't just Billie eilish is alone. They 483 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: are members of Congress who believe we should shut down 484 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: the government until ICE is defunded. These are people who 485 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: are desperate to defund the police. 486 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 2: Why are we discussing it. 487 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: Because look at the celebrity culture there and all the 488 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: millions upon millions upon millions of people who follow them 489 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: on Instagram and all sorts of social media where this 490 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: kind of nonsense gets spewed. 491 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 2: How can we not notice if. 492 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: Billie Eilish disagrees with me politically and wants to vote 493 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: for Kamala Harris over Trump or any bails over Trump, she's 494 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: more than a title to do so, absolutely has that 495 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: right to do so. But when you take to the 496 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: Grammys and instead of just saying thank you, it's we're 497 00:30:54,760 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: on stolen land and blank Ice. Yes bothered that this 498 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: child fool has such an incredible base of people by 499 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: which she can spew this message. But she's an adult 500 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: engaged in childlike problem and we should say no to it, 501 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: and she should stop thinking that somehow she is of 502 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: some kind of deep feeling that she is moral and pious. 503 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: She is neither one. You're not billy. It is not 504 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: pious to say blank ice. It is not decent. It 505 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: is not moral to tell people that they have to 506 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: live amongst people who are here illegally, many not all 507 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: engaged in a level of criminality, including coming into the 508 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: country illegally while you are protected by armed guards and gates. 509 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 2: It's an obscene thing to do. Stolen land, and yet 510 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 2: you make no effort to give it back. 511 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: You should give up your home, you should live by 512 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: your principles, but you don't. You simply say things that 513 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: get applause from lemmings without minds and without convictions, and 514 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: without ever hearing a second point of view. 515 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 2: That's why it. 516 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: Gets discussed, as it should get discussed. That what Billie 517 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: Eilish said was disgusting. 518 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 2: That was a little eminem takeoff right there. It was. 519 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: She shouldn't be celebrated for it. And the people in 520 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: that room. Ricky Gervais was right about all of them. 521 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: They are bad. 522 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 2: People with a lot of sway over your kids and 523 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 2: you as a parent. 524 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: It's a grandparent, an aunt and uncle a friend. You 525 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: need to be willing to without anger push back on it. 526 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: Billie Eilish was shamed and she is not somebody that 527 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: anybody should look up to. After that commentary, I'm Tony 528 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: Katz in. This is Tony Katz today. Donald Trump wants 529 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: to sue the IRS for ten million dollars. 530 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 2: I see a flaw in this, Tony Katz, Tony Katz today. 531 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: Now this is because the IRS releases tax returns. 532 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 2: This happened. There's a guy who is right now dealing. 533 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 1: With five years in prison for releasing the tax returns. 534 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: And I want to say, for the record, I don't 535 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: think five years is enough. 536 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 2: It's not. Five years is not enough. 537 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: You you release, you leak someone's tax return, one hundred 538 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: years in jail or worse. 539 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 2: That's that. 540 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: But Trump is saying, now you've done this, it's a crime. 541 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: Ten billion dollars. I believe that Donald Trump was wronged. 542 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that Donald Trump can't sue. 543 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 2: Not when you're President of the. 544 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: United States and the acting director or is the commissioner 545 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 1: of the IRS works for you. Because the acting commissioner 546 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: is the Secretary of the Treasurer is Scott Besson. So no, no, no, no, no, no, 547 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: he can't. 548 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 2: This is different than whether or not the irs is wrong. 549 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: The irs is wrong, and there will come a moment 550 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: where I believe you can sue people are leaking tax returns. 551 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: I mean to me, this is the reason to get 552 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 1: rid of the income tax. Oh, I would get rid 553 00:34:54,800 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: of the income tax immediately. The federal income tax is obscene. 554 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:06,240 Speaker 1: Sixteenth Amendment gone. No good has come from the income tax. 555 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 1: It uses a cudgel against American citizens, and as we 556 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: have seen, it's utilized for political purposes. 557 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:21,359 Speaker 2: Very very sensitive data. I think we should I think we. 558 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: Should say no. If states want to have an income tax, 559 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: they're allowed to federal government absolutely not, not a chance. 560 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 1: And I know I have people look at me like 561 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 1: I'm crazy. How are we gonna fund this? How are 562 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: we gonna fund that? Maybe we should fund less things. 563 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 1: Maybe we should be article on section eight people. Maybe 564 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: we should get back to a whole series of taxes 565 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: that can be utilized instead of an income tax, where 566 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 1: the government has no right to be a silent partner 567 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 1: in my labor. And then we'll fund things properly. Not 568 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: everything you want to still give you can do private charity. 569 00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:58,919 Speaker 1: I'm cool with that thing. 570 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,280 Speaker 2: Keep it here. This toy cast