1 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: You would listening to the Hammer and Nigel Show. 2 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 2: So this is very wild. This went from zero to 3 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 2: eighty pretty quick. It's the Hammer and Nigel Show. I'm 4 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 2: Jason Hammer, Jerry Lopez Indie Spanglish filling in for Big 5 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 2: Nige this week. So Jaden Ivy, if you're a perdue 6 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 2: basketball fan, you remember the name. Lottery pick played for 7 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 2: Purdue a couple of years ago. Picked in the top 8 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 2: ten of the draft by the Pistons, had a decent 9 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 2: little run there. Injuries hampered his time in Detroit. Was 10 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: part of a trade around the All Star break that 11 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 2: sent him to the Chicago Bulls, but again, injuries have 12 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: been a factor. I think he's only played in four 13 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: games for the Chicago Bulls. But he's all of a 14 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:02,639 Speaker 2: sudden decided to become a again Christian, like completely out 15 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,559 Speaker 2: of left field. He went from doing his fair share 16 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: of sin and so to speak, and he'll talk about that, 17 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: enjoying everything the NBA lifestyle has to offer, the ladies, 18 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 2: the money, the cars, all that kind of stuff, to 19 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 2: being just over the top all in on Jesus and 20 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 2: God and Jerry. When I say all in, I mean 21 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 2: he went from zero to eighty from somebody that really 22 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: never talked about religion to now he's doing like ninety 23 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 2: minute Instagram lives, ninety minute TikTok lives, talking nothing about 24 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 2: God and Jesus and you know, the afterlife and all 25 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 2: things like that. 26 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not going to judge somebody else's decisions on 27 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: how they communicate or how they praise their God. Kudos 28 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: to him. Whatever. However he feels like he has to 29 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: be closer to his maker, kudos to him. I'm not 30 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: gonna judge him for that. What's crazy is just another 31 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: example of you will get in line though. You can 32 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: have your beliefs, but if they don't match ours, you 33 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: will shut up, which brings us to. 34 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 2: What happened to Jade and Ivy. He criticized the NBA 35 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 2: for glorifying uh, the l g b t Q plus 36 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 2: community and Pride. 37 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:23,839 Speaker 3: Month that the world can proclaim lgbt Q right. 38 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: They have. 39 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 3: They have, They proclaim Pride Month and the NBA they 40 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 3: proclaim it. They they show it to the world. They say, come, come, 41 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 3: come join us for Pride, for Pride Month, to celebrate unrighteousness. 42 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 3: They proclaim it. They proclaim it on the billboards, they 43 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 3: proclaim it in the streets unrighteousness. So how is it 44 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 3: that that one can't speak righteous? How is it one 45 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 3: that how are they to say that, you man, this 46 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:07,399 Speaker 3: man is crazy. 47 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 2: So because of that and I feel like some other 48 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 2: of his longer religious rants, the Chicago Bulls waived Jaden 49 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 2: Ivy and they called it conduct detrimental to the team. 50 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: That's a kicker, that's the big one. It's not that 51 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: you suck, not that you're hurt. Your behavior is hurting us. 52 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 2: But the thing is he was hurt and he was 53 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 2: away from the team, so there was no conduct that 54 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 2: was interfering with the team. But his views went against 55 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 2: what the NBA and specifically the Chicago Bulls stand for. 56 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 2: So now he's out of a job here. So where 57 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 2: are we at here? Because on one hand, Jerry, I'm 58 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: somebody who believes that employers can hire and fire people 59 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: for whatever they want, right, But at the same time, 60 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 2: you look at what the NBA has done from a 61 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 2: social justice standpoint, all the things they have shoved down 62 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 2: your throat. You look at a guy like Miles Bridges 63 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 2: who plays with the Hornets. Now I know the Hornets 64 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 2: are not the Bulls, but it's under the NBA banner 65 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 2: here arrested criminally charged with multiple felony counts of domestic 66 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 2: violence and child abuse after an alleged assault on the 67 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 2: mother of his children, got a thirty game suspension and 68 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 2: remained with the team. 69 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: But he can put up fifteen and five, right, Like, 70 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: they don't care about you behavior? Can you score? Let 71 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: me bring up another one that I know you guys 72 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: remember you probably forgot about Jonathan Isaac from the Orlando Magic. 73 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: So this is back during twenty twenty. He was the 74 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: only player to stand for the national anthem and not 75 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: wear a Black Lives Matter shirt during the restart and 76 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: he was attacked. 77 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 2: As well, right, So, and that's. 78 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: A black player, just so we're clear black player, and 79 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: he's religious. He said I don't agree with this, and 80 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: he was attacked. 81 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 2: So this kind of goes into the argument of had 82 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 2: Jaden Ivy been putting up twenty points a game, had 83 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 2: he been a key part of a team making a 84 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 2: playoff run with the Bulls have done this? 85 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: I doubt it because, let me just be honest, there's 86 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: certain groups you just don't mess with, and the LGBT 87 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: crowd is one of them. When you say something that 88 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: goes against that crowd corporation shaking their boots. 89 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: True, but at the same time, I'm not saying that 90 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 2: this player would. But if Steph Curry were to say that, 91 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 2: if Luca were to say that, I promise the Warriors 92 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 2: or the Lakers aren't parting ways with those guys, they. 93 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: Would just distance from his comments and say he has 94 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: a right to speak on his beliefs. We have no 95 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: comment at this time. 96 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 2: Right the PR team would go into overtime, but because 97 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 2: Jade n Ivey has been injured, He's only played in 98 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,799 Speaker 2: four games with the Bulls, they use the conduct detrimental 99 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 2: to the team out. 100 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: You gotta know how much pool you got. That's where 101 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: Jade and Ivy messed up. 102 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 3: Right. 103 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 2: There's the old story from Cowboys head coach Jimmy Johnson 104 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 2: when he took over as the Cowboys head coach and 105 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: he was trying to change the culture of losing and 106 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 2: a special teams guy fell asleep in a meeting and 107 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 2: Jimmy Johnson cut him in front of everybody, And then 108 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 2: when asked what he would do if that were Emmitt 109 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 2: Smith or Troy Yikman, he said, I'd probably get him 110 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 2: a pillow. There's a difference in pro ball your production 111 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 2: and what you can get away with, right, Like, if 112 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 2: you're putting up the numbers and you're staying healthy, you 113 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 2: can kind of say what you want. Barkley Dennis Rodman. 114 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 2: Dennis Rodman was running around wearing dresses, but he was 115 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 2: also pulling down twenty rebounds a game, becoming the defensive 116 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 2: Player of the Year in the Hall of Famer. 117 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: Look run our test right. Always found a job, changed 118 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: his name, change his name, found a job. 119 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 2: Kobe. Let's not act that Kobe didn't have some skeletons 120 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: in that closet. That he overcame and now he's revered 121 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 2: by so many people. The problem with Jade n Ivy 122 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 2: is that he wasn't good enough for the NBA to 123 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 2: share his beliefs. And I think that stinks. 124 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: That sucks. 125 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 2: That does suck because he seems like a good kid. 126 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 2: I am in intrigued how he went from zero to 127 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 2: eighty in terms of the religion, Like, that's an odd 128 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 2: thing for me to try to understand. Does he need help, 129 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: does he need counseling. I don't know. I don't know 130 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:13,239 Speaker 2: the guy personally. 131 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: Well, his teammate, his X teammate. I guess Josh Getty, 132 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: big player on the Bulls, came out and said he's 133 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: very talented player. Obviously, the whole kind of thing's ununfortunate. 134 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: I hope he gets the help he needs whatever he's 135 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: going through or not going through. I do really hope 136 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: he gets help. It's not gonna be with the Bulls anymore, 137 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: but wherever it is, I hope he gets it. So 138 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: that lets you know, like, and Giddy's had some drama 139 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: himself maybe to you well, and that's the truth. And 140 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: he's still played right, no. 141 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 2: Issues, right, So yeah, let us know what you think. 142 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 2: Jump into YouTube, chat, Facebook, and Twitter at Hammer and 143 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 2: Nigel the Jaden Ivy story. If you were the Chicago 144 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 2: Bulls and a guy that had only played four games, 145 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 2: that was not playing very well, was doing what you 146 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 2: viewed as a distraction, would you cut him or do 147 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 2: you think it's crap that this guy spoke out for 148 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 2: his religious views when so many players in this league 149 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: get away with way worse things. It's the Hammer and 150 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 2: Nigel Show.