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Speaker 1: Steven Holder joins us on the program now. He is

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Speaker 1: on the Java House Cold Brew Coffee guest line, and

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Speaker 1: he probably needs plenty not only of Java House is

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Speaker 1: Cold Brew coffee, but also some of the Wrangler Energy

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Speaker 1: drink just to be able to keep up with what

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Speaker 1: is happening right now because we have some just under

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Speaker 1: three hours left before the franchise tag can be placed, Steven,

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Speaker 1: I will simply throw it to you in this blanket statement.

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Speaker 1: Is there any new news to report at this point?

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Speaker 2: I would say news is a is a you know,

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Speaker 2: moving target. I don't think anything substantive has happened, but

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Speaker 2: their conversations continue, That's what I would say, and I

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Speaker 2: think everything is on the table even with just three

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Speaker 2: hours to go. I fully expect the Colts will use

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Speaker 2: a tag today, can guarantee it. But unless something change

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Speaker 2: is here in the next three hours, I anticipate Daniel

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Speaker 2: Jones or Alec Pearce will get a tag of some kind.

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Speaker 2: And when I say a tag, I'm talking about the

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Speaker 2: franchise tag and the transition tag, which is also a possibility,

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Speaker 2: particularly for Daniel Jones, that a little lower salary, less

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Speaker 2: protection for the player, etc. But I think one of

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Speaker 2: those two tags will be assessed today by the Colts

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Speaker 2: by four pm. That is my expectation. As for who, where,

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Speaker 2: what and how, that's all fluid right now.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Steven, let's begin with this. And I did a

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Speaker 1: long dissertation on this earlier. Okay, but it has been

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Speaker 1: a while and I don't even know when the last

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Speaker 1: had going into free agency, perhaps the top at not one,

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Speaker 1: but two different offensive positions, because I think we could

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Speaker 1: safely say that Daniel Jones is the top quarterback free

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Speaker 1: agent available and Alec Pierce is the top wide receiver

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Speaker 1: free agent available. So with that in mind, as the

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Speaker 1: Colts go into it, if they had to, if Chris

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Speaker 1: Ballard is saying to himself, I have this tag right here,

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Speaker 1: I can use on one of these two guys. I

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Speaker 1: I'm signing one of these guys to a deal. Which

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Speaker 2: This is the most difficult part of all of this,

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Speaker 2: and so I just think a definitive answer is really difficult,

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Speaker 2: even for the Colts on this, because I can make

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Speaker 2: a compelling argument either way and neither one would be wrong.

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Speaker 2: Think about it, Is it more important to have your quarterback,

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Speaker 2: have your quarterback next season? And is that more important

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Speaker 2: than retaining the top wide receiver on the market, but

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Speaker 2: also having doubt about whether you get your quarterback back,

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Speaker 2: in which case does it even matter that you get

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Speaker 2: lean a little more towards the quarterback, even though I don't.

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Speaker 2: I am not here to convince you that Daniel Jones

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Speaker 2: I'm not making that argument. I think the argument is

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Speaker 2: are they left? What are they left with? If Daniel

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Speaker 1: Right, that's right and right, Stephen, here here's to me

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Speaker 1: the real predicament, all things given equal, it's a no brainer,

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Speaker 1: And if you lose Jones you are completely screwed. Whereas

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Speaker 2: And so that's exacintely right. And so here's another variable

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Speaker 2: I haven't stressed it enough. Alec Pierce wants to have

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Speaker 2: If you tag Alex Pearis, well you could tag him

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Speaker 2: Alec Pierce in play if Alan, excuse me, if Daniel

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Speaker 1: Do you believe at that point that Chris Ballard thought

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Speaker 2: I don't know that it clicked at that moment, but

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Speaker 2: but I would say this, Daniel Jones, excuse me, Alex

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Speaker 2: It's certainly higher now than I anticipated. But I mean

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Speaker 2: well over twenty million dollars a year, like far more

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Speaker 2: quite some time. It turns out it could be significantly higher, right,

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Speaker 2: So maybe there was there was some inkling about that.

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Speaker 2: I think that Daniel Jones part has always been sort

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Speaker 2: of difficult to settle on because number one, the injury

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Speaker 1: For sure.

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Speaker 2: on that injury, how he comes back from it, all

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Speaker 2: you talk about the negotiation and naty gritty details of it.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, I'm off the subject, but hopefully that answered

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Speaker 2: your original question.

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Speaker 1: Lost in all of this Stephen Holder's my guest ESPN

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Speaker 1: dot com where you can read his work. He's on

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Speaker 1: the Java House Cold Brew Coffee guest line. Lost in

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Speaker 1: all of this, Steven A year from now, two years

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Speaker 1: from now, we look back and we say, you remember

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Speaker 1: that time that Holder was on with Query and they

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Speaker 1: about Daniel Jones and Alec Pierson. Alec Pierson, Daniel Jones. Man.

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Speaker 1: What we didn't realize is that simmering underneath all of

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Speaker 2: Be, Well, I think the defense being reshaped. I think

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Speaker 2: that's going to happen. I would say the combine. Most

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Speaker 2: a lot of their free agency is going to be

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Speaker 2: spent on their defense. And I am anticipating a relatively

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Speaker 2: a relatively aggressive free agency period from them, centered most

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Speaker 2: really reshaping the personnel on that defense. I think you

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Speaker 2: should anticipate that. We'll see what it looks like in

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Speaker 2: on this. You know, these shiny objects on offense, But

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Speaker 2: you should look for that as well in the coming weeks.

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Speaker 1: Hypothetical situation back to the topic A Okay, for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: So Daniel Jones takes a lesser contract offer and signs

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Speaker 1: with insert name Arizona. I'm just throwing a name out

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Speaker 1: the Colts go back to Anthony Richardson and say, you

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Speaker 1: or has that? Have they crossed that river? Now there's

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Speaker 2: Uh huh. I think I think at that point it's

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Speaker 2: it really is up to Anthony Richardson, don't you think.

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Speaker 2: I do not believe that he will be a starting

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Speaker 2: eventually get another shot. I think that's possible, but I'm

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Speaker 2: is that preferable? Yeah? Probably if you're a guy who's

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Speaker 1: Do you think, okay, any chance of this? And I

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Speaker 1: don't know, Steven, how much you've talked to Anthony Richardson

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Speaker 2: Oh, one hundred per I don't think that's that issue

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Speaker 1: So go ahead, Okay, So with that, if the Colts

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, it's a couple things. Number One, this ultimately

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Speaker 2: therefore there's no tampering involved all that, right, I mean,

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Speaker 2: The second thing is, you know, it might be it

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Speaker 2: really just boils down to I think what his options are.

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Speaker 2: go to the RAMS maybe and be rehabilitated by Sean

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's appealing to him, Maybe he feels like that's

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Speaker 2: failure on the Colts part too. Like, let's be very clear, right,

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Speaker 2: they have not developed him, and no matter who's fault

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Speaker 2: the Colts hands are dirty, His hands are dirty, and

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Speaker 2: you know, does that would that influence him to do

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Speaker 1: Okay, Steven, By the way, your colleague Adam Schefter has

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Speaker 1: just recently said that he now anticipates the tag we'll

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Speaker 2: That's been my expectation probably the last forty eight hours,

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Speaker 2: Now I would add if they don't in the meantime

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Speaker 2: I would predict that his situation rolls into next week.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about Alex Pearser.

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Speaker 2: Jones, Alex Pierce, and that would enable him to the

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Speaker 2: beginning on Monday to speak to other teams. And then

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Speaker 1: There have been somebody just asked me this question. My

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Speaker 1: buddy Scott asked me this, Steve, and I wanted to

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Speaker 1: beyond certainly it's beyond my intellectual capability. That would not

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Speaker 1: mean that it's beyond yours, because yours is more grat

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Speaker 1: you know, more vast than mine. But the Colts have

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Speaker 1: said in the past that when there are big contracts

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Speaker 1: Is there any chance that that sort of a language

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know in this particular case. What

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Speaker 2: I would say is it hasn't been a huge impediment

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Speaker 1: One of the things they did, and.

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Speaker 2: He's not the only one, and they're not the only team,

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Speaker 2: I can't remember what happened yesterday, so I don't even

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Speaker 2: remember what the amount of his signing bonus was. But

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Speaker 2: let's say, let's say signing bonus was ten million dollars.

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Speaker 2: My understanding with that was he got the first half

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Speaker 2: days later. Now, again, they're not the only team that utilizes,

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Speaker 2: you know, sort of mechanisms like that, but they do

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Speaker 2: right of It's like, you know, when you get those

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Speaker 2: credit cards with you know, sixty day same as cash

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: You buy some furniture, right, hey, sixty day same as cash?

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Speaker 2: Well sare if you give me free money, I will

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Speaker 2: take that. But you know, I don't think it's a

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Speaker 2: have done such things in many cases. And whether they

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Speaker 2: do that because of the cash low issue, I cannot say.

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Speaker 2: I don't see the books, but that at least gives

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Speaker 1: Do you believe Alec Pierce? He would not be opposed

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Speaker 1: think it's fair to say that Alec Pierce his market

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Speaker 1: value is probably somewhere around thirty five per okay, thirty

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Speaker 1: on that number, Steven, are the Colts prepared to pay

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Speaker 1: to highest bidder.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if we're at thirty five yet.

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Speaker 2: I would say the conversation I had at the combine

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Speaker 2: with other teams yet. Now have other teams probably signaled

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Speaker 2: I do think it becomes actually more real beginning Monday,

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Speaker 2: the question was Kenny gets a thirty million per year?

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Speaker 2: The answer is possibly, yes, very possibly. And then the

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Speaker 2: rest of your question, I'm sorry when you go to

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Speaker 2: the highest bidder. Alex Parris wants to be here, but

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Speaker 2: this is a one's in a lifetime opportunity, and I

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Speaker 2: just think the longer you are out there on the

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Speaker 2: it becomes possible to see yourself going somewhere else. And

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Speaker 2: I know that that's not a really concrete answer, but

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Speaker 2: that's just how this works. Man. You know, when you

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Speaker 2: start dancing with other people, you know, you start to

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Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: Steven, earlier in the conversation, you mentioned that the Colt's

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Speaker 4: sitting here talking about contracts with Daniel Jones and Alec Pierce.

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Speaker 4: How the heck are the Colts going to generate enough

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Speaker 4: cap space to make all this happen magic, That's right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they'll use the same approach I use with

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Speaker 2: I would say I would say this, they they have

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Speaker 2: just for them but for everybody.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: For example, let's take a look at Quinton Nelson's contract.

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Speaker 2: Quinton Nelson has a twenty four million dollar cap number

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Speaker 2: this year, sixteen million dollars in base salary, blah blah blah,

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Speaker 2: like you could you could actually very easily do an

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Speaker 2: he's probably due for an extension, But you could extend

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Speaker 2: do it that are not hard. I'm sure you could

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Speaker 2: do the same. You could certainly do the same with

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Speaker 2: the likes of the Forrest Buckner. There are ways, I think,

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Speaker 2: if if there's a will, there's a way to do it.

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Speaker 2: The CAP's not the problem. The money actually going out

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Speaker 2: the door is usually the bigger issue for the Colts

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Speaker 2: and for all teams, frankly.

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Speaker 1: Even finally for Colts fans. Stephen Holdermi guest ESPN dot com,

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Speaker 1: the website where you can read his work. You also

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Speaker 1: see him on ESPN Television and he's on the Java

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Speaker 1: House Colbrew Coffee guest line, Stephen. In terms of the

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Speaker 1: NFL calendar, the Combine is wrapping up. The draft is

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Speaker 1: the tag deadline day for the franchise tag. But what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so today's obviously a big day. As you said,

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Speaker 2: the next mile post is Monday. That is when free

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Speaker 2: They can negotiate, they can structure new deals. And that

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Speaker 2: On Wednesday of next week, so eight days from now,

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Speaker 2: that is when the market actually opens the new league year,

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Speaker 2: no longer have control over that situation. So that's what

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Speaker 2: you used to look for here. In the next few weeks.

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Speaker 2: Beyond that, we're also headed to the owners meetings I

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Speaker 2: believe on March twenty eighth, and anticipate hearing from Carl

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Speaker 1: All Right, Steven, we appreciate the time as always, and

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Speaker 1: the clock is a tick and we'll see whether or

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Speaker 1: not this tag gets placed. If they do on Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 2: Pretty soon after it happens. Frankly, the deadline four pm.

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Speaker 2: So that's the best I can tell you. I don't

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Speaker 2: think it would take long for the word to get out.

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Speaker 2: But my understanding was they were going to continue working

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Speaker 2: through the you know, up until the deadline, to try

438
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Speaker 2: to work something out today with both these guys. So

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Speaker 2: I don't think it'll be a decision that that won't come.

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Speaker 2: I think it will be a decision that comes down

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Speaker 2: at the last minute.

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Speaker 1: That way, all right, Steven, will let you get on

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate it as always. All right, you got it,

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Speaker 1: all right, Steven Holder joining us on the program, joining

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Speaker 1: us now, and I'm sure thrilled to be doing so.

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Speaker 1: Based on that conversation. Scott Agnes's with Fieldhouse files covering

447
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Speaker 1: the Pacers. He's on the Java House Colbrew Coffee guest

448
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Speaker 1: line and Scott Pacers getting ready to go out west.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to begin with a non pacer subject for you.

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Speaker 1: Are you ready, Scott, Yeah, let's do it. But it's

451
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Speaker 1: somewhat of a pacer subject, it seems to me in LA.

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Speaker 1: And I don't mean this in any way, shape or

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Speaker 1: form as like a sour grapes thing, because I think

454
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Speaker 1: everybody there's no reason to have disliked Ben Mathern. He

455
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Speaker 1: was a good player here. He quiet dude for sure,

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Speaker 1: but you know, I mean, it wasn't like he was

457
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Speaker 1: a controversy guy. And but yet when he went to LA,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think everybody was kind of looking at

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Speaker 1: the box scores to see whether or not he really

460
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Speaker 1: spruced up offensively speaking with the Clippers. They're going to

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Speaker 1: see him here soon. But what sort of player has

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Speaker 1: he been in LA? And has it been any different

463
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Speaker 1: than what we saw here in Indiana.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was one of those.

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Speaker 5: I was just curious how he might be utilized, what

466
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Speaker 5: vision head coach Tylo might have for him out with

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Speaker 5: the Clippers. And for the first couple games they won

468
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Speaker 5: those he had a monster thirty eight point game and

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Speaker 5: a win over Denver, so that was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 5: But then it's tapered back a little bit after that.

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Speaker 5: He's actually playing basically the same amount of minutes on

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Speaker 5: average that he was getting here. I thought there was

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Speaker 5: a chance he'd get in the starting lineup and play

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Speaker 5: more minutes. That has not been the case at least yet,

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Speaker 5: although it is tough when you're inserted, you know, middle

476
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Speaker 5: of the season like he was, without much of adaptation.

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Speaker 5: But what I do like is he's finishing a lot

478
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Speaker 5: of games and whoever has a hot hand, that's kind

479
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Speaker 5: of what the Clippers have been rolling with. So if

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Speaker 5: it's Kawhi one night or one time, you know, if

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Speaker 5: a team's shadowing him and getting him away from the ball,

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Speaker 5: it's Matherin taking advantage. But no real grand conclusions just yet.

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Speaker 5: It's just good to see him seemingly having a good

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Speaker 5: time out there.

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Speaker 1: You know the and that's the thing, Mather, It's just

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Speaker 1: one of those guys he could score. I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's any question about the fact he could score Scott

488
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Speaker 1: and I mean, this is no disrespect or fault of

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Speaker 1: his but he just feels to me like a guy

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Speaker 1: that scores without because he's such an ISO score, which

491
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Speaker 1: is a good thing when things aren't going well. We

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Speaker 1: saw last year in the finals in Game three he

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Speaker 1: bailed him out. I mean, there's no doubt he bailed

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Speaker 1: him out. But more often than not, when he is scoring,

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Speaker 1: it is because other things offensively are not in cohesion.

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Speaker 1: And that's why a lot of times I think you

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Speaker 1: look at it and if he has a twenty eight

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Speaker 1: to thirty point game, it doesn't always mean that his

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Speaker 1: offense was clicking. Does that make sense?

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Speaker 3: It does.

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Speaker 5: I think a lot of times it would also mean, though,

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Speaker 5: that he was getting to the free throw line.

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Speaker 3: If he didn't.

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Speaker 5: If it didn't feel like he had a monster game

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Speaker 5: but finished with thirty, it's probably because he had thirteen

506
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Speaker 5: free throw attempts, and that is among the things the

507
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Speaker 5: Pacers will miss the most with him, as he's a

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Speaker 5: guy that could just put his head down and create

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Speaker 5: opportunities at the rim, whether it's for himself or for

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Speaker 5: others there. And also he's kind of in a good way,

511
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Speaker 5: not an emotional player, doesn't allow pros or cons really

512
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Speaker 5: to impact him. He just wants to go out, roll

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Speaker 5: the ball out and compete. And I think any team

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Speaker 5: appreciates a player like that.

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Speaker 1: The player for the Pacers that will lead them in

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Speaker 1: minutes between now and the end of the year will be.

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Speaker 5: Who hmmm, really good question. M My first thought is

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Speaker 5: Jeris Walker. My second thought is Cam Jones, what say.

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Speaker 1: You, Okay, Michah Potter, maybe just Bigs.

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Speaker 5: It feels like you share those minutes a little bit

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Speaker 5: more than a guard and.

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Speaker 1: He also it seems like Potter Walker I tend to

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Speaker 1: agree with that's a good call because I think at

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Speaker 1: this point with Walker, I do feel like he's turned

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Speaker 1: a corner a little bit, and so you might as

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Speaker 1: well just continue to grow that right and continue to

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Speaker 1: water that. But what I'm curious about with Walker Scott

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Speaker 1: is some of the good things that we've seen from

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Speaker 1: Jeris Walker and I talked about this recently. I have

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Speaker 1: been pleasantly surprised by Jeris Walker's vision and passing ability,

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Speaker 1: and it made me wonder if perhaps he doesn't become

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Speaker 1: a player that can be what Miles Turner was. And

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Speaker 1: by that I mean starting that offense on the high post,

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Speaker 1: facilitator with his passing, because he's a pretty good passer, right.

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Speaker 3: A really good passer.

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Speaker 5: But that was go ahead, I was just gonna say,

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Speaker 5: And that was part of his archetype that we knew

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Speaker 5: coming in. It was that in his length and his

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Speaker 5: defensive versatility. We didn't necessarily see all those right away,

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Speaker 5: but those were the expectations for what the player the

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Speaker 5: pacers were getting.

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Speaker 1: Now, the question is this, does does Jeris Walker maintain

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Speaker 1: this level of play? Is Jeris Walker playing well in

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Speaker 1: turning that corner right now because he's kind of a

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Speaker 1: centerpiece usually of the group that he's on the floor with,

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Speaker 1: or and can that carry over when he's then asked

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Speaker 1: to be the third or fourth option guy. Is it

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Speaker 1: translatable and transferable once he goes back to the role

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Speaker 1: that he is most designed to be.

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Speaker 5: I think so, because what you'll see most is this

551
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Speaker 5: is giving him a huge jolt of confidence, a huge

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Speaker 5: jolt of assertiveness in his play because I think a

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Speaker 5: lot of it didn't come down to could he execute

554
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Speaker 5: the pass? It was did he overthink or did he hesitate?

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Speaker 5: Or when he got to the basket. It wasn't should

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Speaker 5: he shoot or could he make the shot? It was well,

557
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Speaker 5: should he shoot or should he not? And before he

558
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Speaker 5: made the decision, it was swiped away from him. And

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Speaker 5: so I think those are the things that he's cleaned up,

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Speaker 5: that he's got more confident. He's playing free, like you've

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Speaker 5: talked about, with that fog being lifted, which is justifiably

562
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Speaker 5: so given that they need guys like him to just

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Speaker 5: go out and produce. And so right now he's taking

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Speaker 5: full advantage of getting career high thirty plus minutes per game,

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Speaker 5: and so I see him going back to the bench

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Speaker 5: and with that second unit, you know, getting twenty two

567
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Speaker 5: minutes per game. Let's forecast for next year. But the

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Speaker 5: things that he can replicate is, you know, making eight

569
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Speaker 5: of ten field goals like he did last game, but

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Speaker 5: doing so off the bench when you're playing lesser competition

571
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Speaker 5: with the reserves, and when you can be featured like

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Speaker 5: he is right now. And so that's why I think

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Speaker 5: it's it's it's comforting to see the way in which

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Speaker 5: he's maximized these minutes over the last two months.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Scott, here's another one for you. I want you

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Speaker 1: to tell me. Scott Agnes is my guest Fieldhouse Files

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Speaker 1: where you can read his work talking and covering the Pacers.

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Speaker 1: This has been a year really for open auditions, right,

579
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Speaker 1: this entire season for the Pacer not entire The second

580
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Speaker 1: half of the season for the Pacers is like that

581
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Speaker 1: first three weeks of American Idol. It's like, every mighty,

582
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Speaker 1: just come up, show us what you can do. We're

583
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Speaker 1: gonna let you know if you get a golden ticket

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Speaker 1: and whether you're you know you're gonna get Quentin Jackson. Congratulations,

585
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Speaker 1: here you go. You're on your way to Hollywood. You

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Speaker 1: got you got a new deal, right, and that was

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Speaker 1: well earned for Quentin Jackson. I have asked you what

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Speaker 1: players you think have not taken full advantage of the audition.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to elevate that in your opinion, Scott,

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Speaker 1: in your opinion, tell me a player that you think

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Speaker 1: the Pacers have now been able to say, we've seen enough,

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Speaker 1: we know where that player is and it's just not

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Speaker 1: gonna happen. They got their opportunity and We're gonna play

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Speaker 1: nice for the rest of the year, but they got

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Speaker 1: their opportunity.

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Speaker 5: That's a tough one because of the last point. Until that,

597
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Speaker 5: I was gonna say Jay Huff because it feels like

598
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Speaker 5: they know exactly what he is, the way in which

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Speaker 5: he can produce, how he compliments things. But I don't

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Speaker 5: think they've pulled the plug or already looking to move

601
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Speaker 5: on by any means. I'm not sure there's any guy.

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Speaker 5: Is there a guy to you that that, yeah, I

603
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Speaker 5: just don't see him back next year because I don't

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Speaker 5: see anyone else. Kobe Brown is the one that stands

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Speaker 5: out to me as on the other way, is h

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Speaker 5: maybe you found something here right.

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Speaker 1: Well in Brown. Kobe Brown to me is interesting Scott,

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Speaker 1: and we talked about this. I think last week, you know,

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Speaker 1: I I saw a really funny post from somebody who's

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Speaker 1: a Clippers fan that was like, wait a minute, like

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Speaker 1: they came in into zoobots and now all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: like they get this dude that we didn't even know about,

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Speaker 1: and he's balling out for him, you know. But part

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Speaker 1: of that is just, you know, somebody's got to score points, right,

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Speaker 1: and he's getting looks and he's been a decent shooter.

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Speaker 1: I would agree that he You look at him and

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Speaker 1: you go okay, But in a perfect world, he's probably

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Speaker 1: your eleventh or twelfth guy realistically, right the I'll tell

619
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Speaker 1: you one player and you feel free to disagree, and

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00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: this guy's gonna get plenty more opportunity. But I wonder

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Speaker 1: if they weren't thinking at this point that they would

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Speaker 1: have seen more out of Peter than they've seen to

623
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Speaker 1: this point. Too harsh.

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Speaker 5: I think so because he was a fringe draft guy.

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Speaker 5: Most people did not have him on their boards. They

626
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Speaker 5: took him one of the last spots in the draft.

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Speaker 5: He's not even a standard NBA contract, and so with

628
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Speaker 5: a two way guy, you're trying to allow him time

629
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Speaker 5: to develop.

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Speaker 1: There.

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Speaker 5: If you remember jars Walker as a lottery pick, spent

632
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Speaker 5: most of his rookie season and they're in the G League,

633
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Speaker 5: and so I think we know what he can provide

634
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Speaker 5: in terms of three point shooting. That's the number one thing, right,

635
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Speaker 5: his efficiency on that level. But to me, he's one

636
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Speaker 5: of your back end of your roster type guys, the

637
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Speaker 5: guys you need throughout a season to do injuries or

638
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 5: shots just starn't going down, and so I think I

639
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Speaker 5: don't think he's shown anything over the top, or he

640
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 5: hadn't shown anything at all. I think he's proven to

641
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 5: be exactly what they thought that he would be.

642
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Speaker 1: Scott Agnes is our guest. Fieldhouse Files is where you

643
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: can read his work. Scott, what do you look for

644
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Speaker 1: on this trip? If anything? I mean, is there anything left?

645
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 1: I think they've done honestly, Like you know, I talked

646
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Speaker 1: to somebody else last night about it, and it's like,

647
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Speaker 1: you know, they're still interesting. And that's what's interesting to

648
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Speaker 1: me is you wouldn't think they would be at fifteen wins,

649
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 1: and yet your biggest storyline becomes, ge can they out

650
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: loose Sacramento? But they've got to play minutes and they've

651
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 1: got to play players, and they're like competitive and interesting

652
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: yet still losing. Change is now on this trip out west, I.

653
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 5: Think, for one, it continues to see some more time

654
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 5: for Obi Top and I like the fact that he's

655
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 5: back and getting minutes late game, late part of the season.

656
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 5: So again this season, the off season can be about

657
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 5: the future and development and not rehab and building confidence

658
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 5: and those sorts of things I'd like to see more

659
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 5: from Kobe Brown to get a better vision of his

660
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 5: possibilities realistically, though Jake, he's a free agent after this season.

661
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 5: The Pacers don't have a ton of cap space. It's

662
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 5: unclear though what he might command. And then I think

663
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 5: from there, you're just trying to see some of these

664
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 5: younger players get the additional opportunity, and that's what we're

665
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 5: going to continue to see here. I'd like to see them,

666
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 5: from a team standpoint, cut down on their turnovers and

667
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 5: improve their defense and not be so bad in the

668
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 5: middle two quarters because they're starting games well, it's that

669
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 5: second quarter in particular that's knocking them down. And so

670
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 5: those are the little things I'm watching. But from player evaluation, yeah,

671
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 5: you're just seeing guys get minutes that they ordinarily would

672
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 5: not be receiving at this point of the season.

673
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 4: Scott, I want to go back to Jeris Walker because

674
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 4: in Game six of the Eastern Conference Finals last year,

675
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 4: he has that nasty ankle turn and ends up sidelining

676
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 4: him for somewhere around two months. So you're looking at

677
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 4: what the start of August, maybe mid August, before he's

678
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 4: starting to train and get ready and just get back

679
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 4: up to speed, and by that time, you know, it's

680
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 4: training camp. So assuming he has a full offseason where

681
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 4: he can train and work on whatever he wants to

682
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 4: work on, what is ultimately the ceiling for Jeris Walker

683
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,439
Speaker 4: because he's still only twenty two years old.

684
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's still got a long range to

685
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 5: develop with all of that, And we all always judge

686
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 5: these lottery picks on a much different more intent scale,

687
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 5: right Like, you expect more as you should and could

688
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 5: demand more from these guys. And so I think he's

689
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 5: proven his three point shot. I think his vision has improved.

690
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 5: It's his decision making sometimes his defense are some of

691
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 5: the areas that I'd like for him to improve upon there,

692
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 5: especially when he's playing with that second unit type guys.

693
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 5: And so that's why right now, when you're kind of

694
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 5: playing with many of those guys, that's where these minutes

695
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 5: somewhat can be productive and show you what you know

696
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 5: next season could potentially involve. But more than anything, to me,

697
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 5: it speaks to his decision making, his defense, and finishing

698
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 5: around the basket. Those would be my three bullet points

699
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 5: for him this summer.

700
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: Scott, I was a little disappointed in Boomer's birthday this year.

701
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: They didn't.

702
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 3: I was going to ask you about that.

703
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I mean when you don't have Rocky.

704
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: I mean that's your Criminlocram, right, I mean, that's your

705
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: gold standard. But the I'll tell you who showed me

706
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: a little something and I I've never Eddie. I will

707
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: let you guess. See if you know, and both of

708
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: you actually see if either one of you can tell

709
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: me this mascot you ready, boy I've got to look

710
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: up the name of the mascot now that I think

711
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: about it, But.

712
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 5: I can only shak of one other guy that was

713
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 5: with him. So if that tells you anything.

714
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: Now hold on. So so you saw which ones I'm

715
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: talking about here, Scott, because I don't want to.

716
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 3: I can't only remember one of them.

717
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: Okay, lou Seal, Eddie, do you know who lou Seal

718
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 1: is the mascot.

719
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 4: For We talked about We Mark Boyle and Eddie Gill

720
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 4: talked about it, and I honestly cannot remember.

721
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: With which one lose Seal is a mascot for, Yes,

722
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: that's the one I'm aware of. Lou Seal is for

723
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: the San Francisco Giants.

724
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 5: I felt like that was an odd invite all the

725
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 5: way from San Francisco.

726
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,439
Speaker 1: Now, But here's the thing you got to keep in mind,

727
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: and it's a fair point, but there's a lot of

728
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: camaraderie in the mascot world, right, I mean, you got

729
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 1: to think about most of these are you know, I mean,

730
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: you're a seal that we're oversized sunglasses. You know how

731
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: social social life did you have in high school? Right?

732
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: So you're probably buddies with I mean, you got a

733
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: If you got a mountain lion that's got a tail

734
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: that looks like a lightning bolt, he probably can relate

735
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: to your oddities. Right. So, I think there's a very

736
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: fraternal feeling amongst the mascots, and they all want to

737
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: celebrate the love of birthdays. I don't disagree that stepping

738
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: outside the box of the NBA and bringing in lou

739
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: Seal was a bit much. I'm trying to think it

740
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: was lou Seale was here, and there was one of

741
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: the who's the other one? The Blue was here?

742
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 4: Blue, the Chicago Blackhawks mascot.

743
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, he's not bad, Tommy Hawk. He's an okay fella.

744
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: He's a legal buzzard, right.

745
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:39,919
Speaker 3: Uh huh.

746
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 5: I was looking for the debut of Bobby the Bobcat. Yeah,

747
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 5: and Bobby I was the one that was missing Bobby's cool.

748
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: Right, But I think Bobby that weekend and I did

749
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: look into this and this is an interest. Thank you

750
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: for bringing that up, Scott, because people overlooked this between

751
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,479
Speaker 1: Boomer and then Bobby the Bobcat, which is of course

752
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: for the Indiana Boom. And now my understanding is Blue

753
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: has gotten into this rotation, which is nice. They take

754
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 1: turns going and visiting visiting Bowser at the farm where

755
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: he's living up in northern Indiana. And so that was

756
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: it was Bobby's turn in the rotation. But Lou Seal

757
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: showed me something. Has the big sunglasses that he flips

758
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: up and up and down, really good putter and had

759
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,479
Speaker 1: a nice touch on the layup game that they did.

760
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: Lou Seal was strong. That was a strong mascot representation there, right,

761
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: And it goes without saying, you know, just kind of

762
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: does his own barking call. I mean, he's a fun guy.

763
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 3: Although I got a curious question Seal a woman though?

764
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,959
Speaker 1: Is it Louceale or Lou the Seal because lou would

765
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: be theoretically male, right, Lou l o U Right, it's

766
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: lou Seal now Louciale, of course, I know that's my

767
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: grandmother's female name. Lou male name, right is it? Androgonis?

768
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: Is this the pat of mascots? What was your question, Scott?

769
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,919
Speaker 5: Now that you have first and experience, did that change

770
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 5: your perspective on watching these mascots do their thing?

771
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something, kidding aside, have you ever

772
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: done it? Scott? Uh?

773
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 3: No, I have not. I'd be game too though.

774
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: I'm telling you something, And if you have little ones

775
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: in the car, just keep in mind we're all talking

776
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: about things here in terms of spirit, not reality. I

777
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: was Sycamore Sam for about twenty minutes in an Indiana

778
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: State game for those unfamiliar with it, and it was

779
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: interesting because the head that you put on. I don't

780
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: know if this is true of all mascots, but Sycamore

781
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: Sam it is a basically a football helmet and the

782
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: rest of it is attached around the helmet itself, so

783
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,479
Speaker 1: when you put it on, it's as if you're putting

784
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: a football helmet on. It fits about that tight on you,

785
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: which makes sense, right because that keeps it from rattling

786
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: around and the visibility when I put it on, I

787
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: very immediately was like, oh, you can see through the

788
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: mesh eyes like very easily, not peripherally but straight on,

789
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: very easily. But I had Scott brought with me like

790
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: a surgical mask because not because I just assumed it

791
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: was gonna stink so bad. So I put that on.

792
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: So they're like, oh, see how smart I am this way,

793
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: I won't smell the funk of the inside of the

794
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 1: mascot outfit. Yeah, And the guy said, he goes, you

795
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: don't want to put that mask on, and I said, no,

796
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: I do because I don't want to smell your funk.

797
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: And he said, yeah, but you're not gonna be able

798
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: to breathe. I thought, what is this guy talking about.

799
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: I put that thing on and he was right. Immediately

800
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: it was hard to breathe. It was hard to catch

801
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: your wind even just walking and so walking around and

802
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: it is super fun. And it's also very odd because

803
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 1: you have one hundred percent anonymity, like people are coming

804
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: up to you and you know, and you're you're wanting

805
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: to say like, oh, I mean, you know, you know

806
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: who they are.

807
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 5: Are.

808
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 1: They have no idea it's you. That's very bizarre.

809
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 3: But not talking has to be the hardest part well for.

810
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: Me, goes without saying right, but yes, you know, you're correct.

811
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: I mean people are coming up and you know, but

812
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: trying to react correct in kids and things like that.

813
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: The but I could not fathom it was hard to walk,

814
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: let alone at a pace. Now, it wasn't hard necessarily

815
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: when I was standing on the floor and the band

816
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: was playing to dance because I'm I mean, I'm a

817
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: pretty prolific well sex mover, to be honest with you,

818
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: but but in the outfit it becomes friendly. You show

819
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: me which I have sexy moves. I wasn't out there

820
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: fornicating with other mascots, Addie. I'm just saying I was

821
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: moving in a you know what I mean like that

822
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 1: justin Timberlake. I was bringing the sexy back inside the outfit.

823
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: But the I don't know how Scott, the things that

824
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: Boomer does, like going up the rope, up into the

825
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: rafters and just running around in general. The dunking, I

826
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: have no idea how you would do that none. The

827
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: dunking alone is I don't know how you like the landing.

828
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: I mean the way that that thing is on you,

829
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: that the next support all of it. Yes, I mean

830
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: a long winded answer, but honestly, there are few things

831
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: that I can imagine that were a bigger physical challenge

832
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: to use a double dare term more so than that.

833
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: I mean, it was truly something.

834
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 5: I would be fascinating to put like a step counter

835
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 5: or whoop whatever on Boomer and see his heart rate

836
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 5: and win it peaks, and how many steps he's getting

837
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 5: in each night. He's been doing that like twenty five years.

838
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 5: It's remarkable, really, is you know?

839
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: The the one thing also with it. It wasn't even

840
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: the steps, like your heart rate immediately goes up almost

841
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: because of like a claustrophobia. It's weird. It was weird,

842
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: but it was all the flippancy aside, and it was.

843
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: It truly was a really neat thing to do. And

844
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: in all honesty, Scott, the one thing about it that

845
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: made it the neatest is even though you know this,

846
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: once you are in there and you're walking around, you

847
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: truly see the totally instant joy that a mascot outfit

848
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: brings to kids. I mean, the number of kids that

849
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 1: come up and want to hug you, get a high five.

850
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: My buddy David that went with me. There was one

851
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: little kid that came up and I gave him a

852
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: fist bump, and David was telling me the kid ran

853
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 1: away and said to his buddies, He's like, he gave

854
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: me a fist bump. Sycamore say, you know what I mean? Like,

855
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 1: it's it's magic to kids. It really is magic to kids, right.

856
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's that impact that you can have that we

857
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 5: all see in sense. But you're right, I bet having

858
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 5: that first ive vision you're like, oh my goodness, all right, Well,

859
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 5: it's also just brings that sparkle in the rise that

860
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 5: some of us.

861
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Speaker 1: Lack a little bit totally. And it's also fun to

862
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Speaker 1: be able to go up and you know, rub the

863
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Speaker 1: scalp of old bald guys and nobody fights you over it,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? He Scott huked.

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Speaker 4: Are we on a CBA agreement between the WNBA and

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Speaker 4: the Players Association?

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Speaker 3: Eddie?

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Speaker 5: Does seem like we're making progress, that's the good thing. Now,

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Speaker 5: the negotiating tactics seem a little bit odd to me.

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Speaker 5: If you listen to some of the veteran players in

871
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Speaker 5: recent days, especially right now while they're in New York

872
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Speaker 5: for Unrivaled as some of them basically come out and said, hey,

873
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Speaker 5: we've made good progress. I like this revenue sharing, and

874
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Speaker 5: let's continue to make that, which you would think they'd

875
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Speaker 5: take a harsher stand on it, but I think the

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Speaker 5: reality is on all this, both sides realize there's a

877
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Speaker 5: lot to be lost and any progress will be beneficial

878
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Speaker 5: to both sides here because they can't lose this season.

879
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Speaker 5: And so if you take the league at their word

880
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Speaker 5: they said it, roughly a week from today is when

881
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Speaker 5: they need to have an agreement and kind of in place,

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Speaker 5: which would still have to be approved by lawyers and

883
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Speaker 5: such so that the season is not impacted, because look,

884
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Speaker 5: you're about six weeks away from training camps expected to start.

885
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Speaker 5: Unrivaled wraps up this week. USA Basketball training camp next week,

886
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Speaker 5: and then we'll be quickly into the w season should

887
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Speaker 5: it happen.

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Speaker 1: Scott, In terms of that the Fever, right now, they

889
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Speaker 1: still have a lot of roster decisions that are going

890
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Speaker 1: to be addressed. Correct.

891
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, every team does though at this point, but yes, Fever,

892
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Speaker 5: especially given how many players are free agents, they the

893
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Speaker 5: only players under contractor the players still on the rookie

894
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Speaker 5: scale deals like a Leah Boston, Caitlyn Clark, et cetera.

895
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Sophie Cunningham was at the Pacer game the other night,

896
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Speaker 1: and I think it might have been Pacer seats that

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Speaker 1: she was sitting in. Do we read into that at all?

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Speaker 3: No, not really.

899
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Speaker 5: She was in town, she's getting workouts in, Caitlyn's getting

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Speaker 5: workouts in at the facility. I think until we know

901
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Speaker 5: for sure what the salary cap looks like, how much

902
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Speaker 5: money that might be available, And now the big conversation

903
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Speaker 5: becomes these max contracts and how much players are going to.

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Speaker 3: Be able to earn.

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Speaker 5: Well, there's a direct relation then to everybody else. Right,

906
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Speaker 5: if Kelsey Mitchell gets that max deal, a Leah Boston

907
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Speaker 5: will be closing in on one and Caitlyn right behind her,

908
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Speaker 5: you'll have a situation here where you'll have a big

909
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Speaker 5: three and what else can you afford? And so the

910
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Speaker 5: trickle down effect in that is just throwing out hypothetical numbers. Right,

911
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Speaker 5: So if Sophie cunning came Fever could pay her three

912
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Speaker 5: hundred thousand, well what if she could go elsewhere and

913
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Speaker 5: get five hundred thousand? Is she that committed right or

914
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Speaker 5: to this situation? I think she would love to be back.

915
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Speaker 5: Lexi Hall would be love to be back, but until

916
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Speaker 5: we know those numbers, we can't say conclusively if it's

917
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Speaker 5: even close.

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Speaker 1: By the way, lou Seale is in the Mascot Hall

919
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Speaker 1: of Fame, part of the twenty twenty five class. But

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Speaker 1: that Hall of Fame's gone, isn't it? Is? That? Was

921
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Speaker 1: he the part of the final class? Do we know?

922
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Speaker 1: Have you been to the Mascot Hall of Fame's got

923
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Speaker 1: in that?

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Speaker 3: I have not?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 5: I agree, I think I read where it closed a

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Speaker 5: couple of years ago, several years after Boomer got in.

928
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Speaker 1: Yeah, what a bummer right. Lucille was born in nineteen

929
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Speaker 1: ninety six, oh, replacing the short lived but controversial Crazy Crab.

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Speaker 1: Now what would be controversial about the Crazy Crab? Do

931
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Speaker 1: we know? Well? What I mean? Did people take that

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Speaker 1: the wrong way? Is that? I don't know. Crazy crap

933
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Speaker 1: It took a while to come out of his shell,

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Speaker 1: but once he did, very popular there. It is all right, Scott.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate the time as always, you got it.

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Speaker 3: Thanks guys.

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Speaker 1: Goott Agnes joining us, and I'm sure thrilled to be

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Speaker 1: doing so. From field House Files