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Speaker 1: And Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your week with

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Speaker 1: us again this fourth day of Quansa abari Ghani for

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Speaker 1: Pan African friends and friends who celebrate Quansa and the

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Speaker 1: responses Oujama Cooperative Economics. Later, black politics expert doctor James

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Speaker 1: Taylor will take over our classroom. Doctor Tayl will analyze

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Speaker 1: the future of Black MAGA now that the polls have

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Speaker 1: report on San Francisco passing a reparation spill. Before we

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Speaker 1: hear from doctor Taylor, motivational speaker and author coach Alfred Powell,

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Speaker 1: we'll discuss his latest book, Hip Hop Hypocrisy When Lies

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Speaker 1: Sound like the Truth. But to get us started, Momentelly.

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Speaker 1: In this final week of twenty twenty five, Baltimore doctor

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Speaker 1: Robert Richard Allen Turner from the Empowerment Temple AME Church

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Speaker 1: will join us. But first welcome back Kevin Langford to

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Speaker 1: the classroom and get him open up these classroom doors.

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Speaker 1: Grand Rising, Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Grand Rising, indeed, Carl Nelson, I think you already took

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Speaker 2: the win out of the sale, but I'm going to.

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Speaker 3: Repeat it abari Ghani.

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Speaker 4: Drama.

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Speaker 2: That's right, cooperative economics, and I just love Quansa. I

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Speaker 2: love this time of year, and I just see it

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Speaker 2: as not only is it a community thing, it's a

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Speaker 2: personal the thing as well. How do you me the

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Speaker 2: individual practice cooperative economics today? What's your planing, what's your.

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Speaker 4: Playing, what's planning?

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Speaker 1: As always, so you know, we should celebrate before we

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Speaker 1: get into the details of quans and O Kevin, what

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing this year, I see I think maybe to me,

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Speaker 4: Grossing that's what it is. You think that's what it is.

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Speaker 2: So I believe if that screen, the social media screen,

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Speaker 2: of the use of social media. That's what I think

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Speaker 2: it is. It's just making the world smaller.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it seems like more people not just stateside,

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Speaker 1: but overseas too, celebrating Quansa. People are like, well, what

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Speaker 1: this looks good. And you know, they started to embrace

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Speaker 2: Right, and you're getting people that are going, they're serious

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Speaker 3: It really is a holiday.

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing. Is it a holiday or a celebration?

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Speaker 1: Because you know we're doctor Krengo, oh yeah the last

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Speaker 2: Well, I see it as an extension of Christmas myself

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Speaker 3: Then Kwanza takes advantage.

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Speaker 2: If you will, of that spirit, and then you begin

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Speaker 3: Yeah it is Kwansa.

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Speaker 2: You know, you become the educator as well, or become

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Speaker 1: Well, here's I see, Kevin, it was cool. Here's our

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Speaker 1: I see five after the top. They our family just

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Speaker 1: cooperative economist Kevin wants to get into that. But here's

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure about the taking down on the Christmas

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Speaker 3: Make that all a part of it.

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Speaker 2: to get the Christmas gift in so you you know, Kwansa,

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Speaker 2: You know, it should be educational, a book perhaps or

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Speaker 3: You thought about that could be could be yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: This is something that we as black people have for ourselves.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is ours. This this is something we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's almost it can be a microcosm of

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Speaker 2: And so then there's that whole responsibility. And like I said,

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Speaker 3: And that is if even though brother.

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Speaker 2: Jones store is being supported and he's the one with

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Speaker 3: His store forward. And I see it that way as well.

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Speaker 2: Even even some places where you live, if that community

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Speaker 3: Song you know, happy Kwanza. You know you're not doing that.

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Speaker 2: But but the fact that it is a collective makes

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're still there.

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Speaker 2: It's like we're sharing the wealth, you see, commitment to

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Speaker 3: I've been observing it a lot.

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Speaker 1: This is when I first heard about quans I had nothing.

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Speaker 1: The person who put it on was explaining Quansa. There's

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Speaker 2: Kevin, Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying. When I first

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Speaker 2: the celebration of Kwanza, which happens from December twenty sixth

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Speaker 2: to the end of Kwanza, and this being you know

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much having me, Brother Nelson.

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Speaker 1: I got to ask you this though, before we you

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Speaker 7: Great job explaining quads as principles to everybody, both you

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Speaker 7: Yes, and it is. My next one is gonna be

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Speaker 7: Can you believe, brother Nelson, this my fortieth walk from

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Speaker 7: this now for thirty nine It'll be forty next month,

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Speaker 6: The purpose of this walk.

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Speaker 7: It's a spiritual pyrami, but also calling for physical and

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Speaker 7: And I'm thankful to just be a witness in that

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Speaker 1: Well, you are shining to be alarm. At twenty six

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Speaker 1: from Empowerment Temple AME Church in Baltimore. As you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: a march is from Baltimore, Baltimore City to Washington, DC

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Speaker 1: every month to underscore the need for reparations and later

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Speaker 1: this morning, we're gonna hear from doctor Taylor. Doctor James

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Speaker 4: I'm glad.

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Speaker 1: So just to let you know that those walks that

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Speaker 1: and they see a person like yourself. You didn't have

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 1: This is why this? You made this your slice of

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Speaker 7: It's really all divine, just being inspired by God. And

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Speaker 7: Oh by God, it's great. Every week I would go

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Speaker 7: every single week, caring for the city to repair for

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Speaker 7: the damage it did in the Tulsa race massacre of

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Speaker 7: nineteen twenty one. And that brought some political results for

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Speaker 7: our left. I was able to serve on the mass

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Speaker 7: grave public osc community that I called for when I

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Speaker 7: mentioned to the maw of the city and the church

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Speaker 7: our pastor. We started, but well we restarted the losses

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Speaker 7: for the toast Race Masca. Now the survivors, we only

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Speaker 7: have one lesson now and serve that they're still on

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Speaker 7: the case. Unfortunately in Oklahoma Supreme Court did not see

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Speaker 7: that our way. But I want to just thank you,

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Speaker 7: brother Nelson for shining the light on this walk, because

446
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Speaker 7: we are the people really don't do as well a

447
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Speaker 7: job in highlighting the work that we do. I'm thankful.

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Speaker 7: I'm from Alabama. I'm thankful that most recently I found

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Speaker 7: out about monks who walk from Texas.

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Speaker 6: And going to DC. And you have a lot of

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Speaker 6: us putting and posting that on our page, which is great,

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Speaker 6: which is wonderful. But they have a we have a

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Speaker 6: brother who's been doing these walks for now forty times

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Speaker 6: next week that we don't really highlight. So it's sad.

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Speaker 6: Sometimes we can highlight the work of others for peace,

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Speaker 6: which is great. I support them. I may try to

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Speaker 6: join them when they come to DC.

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Speaker 1: But well, hopefully we haven't lost to doctor Turner. Sounds

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Speaker 1: like it's a line dropt, Kevin, see if you can

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Speaker 1: get it back for us twenty nine minutes after the

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Speaker 1: top of our family just joined us. I guess the

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Speaker 1: doctor Robert Richard Allen Turner from Empowerment Temple Ame Church

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Speaker 1: in Baltimore and what he does, family, each and every month,

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Speaker 1: he makes that track from Washington, from Baltimore City to Washington,

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Speaker 1: d C. To underscore the need for reparations. And he's

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Speaker 1: doing it, whether he be a summer, spring, winter fall,

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Speaker 1: he's there. And as you mentioned, this next trip is

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Speaker 1: going to be next month on doctor King's holiday weekend.

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Speaker 1: So those of you who will asking me if oh

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Speaker 1: he's back, So doctor Orry, I'll let you finish your thoughts.

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Speaker 4: Then tell us.

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Speaker 1: If tell a family if they can join you on

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Speaker 1: some of these walks, you know, if they don't have

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Speaker 1: to do the whole journey, if they can meet up

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Speaker 1: with you wherever they live between here and Baltimore, they

476
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Speaker 1: can jump in and help you walking. You'll give you

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Speaker 1: some inspiration along the way.

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Speaker 7: Yes, so along the way they can meet us at

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Speaker 7: any point. Honestly, people come throughout the walk. Thank you

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Speaker 7: for asking that question, I was gonna say, thank you

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Speaker 7: for highlighting this, because sometimes we don't highlight the work

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Speaker 7: that we do as community, as black people. And that's

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Speaker 7: the whole going back to Kansas Ujama, that cooperative economics.

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Speaker 7: We don't cooperate well with each other unfortunately. So I'm

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Speaker 7: happy I celebrate kausas to highlight how we need to

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Speaker 7: do that. But yes, during the world, people can join

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Speaker 7: me anytime throughout one starting at Carroll Park across from

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Speaker 7: Burger King that people join us there. Also we are

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Speaker 7: joined throughout the walk at various stops that we make,

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Speaker 7: even if it's not a stop, if you can have

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Speaker 7: somebody to come and drop you off there. And the

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Speaker 7: thing is once we start walking, though, you don't have

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Speaker 7: to walk the whole way because we have escorts cars

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Speaker 7: who escort us along the way. So in any moment

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Speaker 7: you feel tired, I want to relieve yourself, you can.

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Speaker 7: The only thing is unless you have a ride coming

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Speaker 7: to pick you up. Then everyone who is who's walking

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Speaker 7: with us or who is accompanying us, we all go

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Speaker 7: to DC together and we get driven back to our

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Speaker 7: variers destinations. That's that's the Unless you've made arrangements, and

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Speaker 7: there are public transit options along the walk if you

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Speaker 7: want to be picked up. But I've had to come

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Speaker 7: to walk a couple of blocks just how to solidare

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Speaker 7: to with the cause and the issue and leave which

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Speaker 7: is perfectly signed, which is I would rather than do that.

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Speaker 7: They're not come at all, you know, and because every

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Speaker 7: every person that joins is a moral booster or for

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Speaker 7: those who can't walk at all because of health concerns,

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Speaker 7: we have people who along the route just cheer us on,

510
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Speaker 7: similar to what you see in a marathon. People just

511
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Speaker 7: come and cheer us on. And I post I post

512
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Speaker 7: on my social media our whereabouts during the walk, so

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Speaker 7: you would know approximately where we will be approaching before

514
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Speaker 7: we get there by what I post. My social media

515
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Speaker 7: handle on on Facebook is my first last name, Robert

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Speaker 7: Turner on Instagram is R E V D R Robert

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Speaker 7: Turner Rev. Doctor Robert Turner. And I do also have

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Speaker 7: a YouTube channel which is Robert Turner Ministries.

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Speaker 4: Cool.

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Speaker 1: You know, at some point we'd love to have be

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Speaker 1: able to have this done a lot, you know, the

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Speaker 1: whole journey and the people could you know, We've got

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Speaker 1: our techers out there who can just jump on and

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Speaker 1: follow you and and you know, just record the whole

525
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Speaker 1: thing and so the people around the world can watch

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Speaker 1: you do this this march. I think that's the next step.

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Speaker 1: We need to get our techs involved. And I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you've got the folks at the church who would do

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Speaker 1: that kind of stuff and and you know, and they

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Speaker 1: can jump in and because I think it's important to

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Speaker 1: underscore what you were doing. This is a personal journey

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Speaker 1: for you, but but it reflects the moves and the

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Speaker 1: inspiration and the needyness of reparations because some people think,

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Speaker 1: because of the political climate these days, that uh, we're

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Speaker 1: never gonna get reparations, and reparations is a dead issue,

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Speaker 1: which would you know, we should try to figure about survival.

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Speaker 4: What do you say to those folks.

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Speaker 7: I'd say that we could have said that we have

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Speaker 7: the people could have said if we did the same

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Speaker 7: thing about integration. When doctor King, inspired by Rosa Parks,

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Speaker 7: led the Montgomery bus boycott, the goal then were integrating

542
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Speaker 7: the Montgomery buses. We could have said that, well, we're

543
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Speaker 7: never gonna get this. This has been in place for

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Speaker 7: too long. Nobody is going to support us. We could

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Speaker 7: have said the same thing as it relates to our

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Speaker 7: black wall streets across the country. Well, they're not gonna

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Speaker 7: let us have this. They're not gonna let us do that.

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Speaker 7: And when they bombs, they show us what they We're

549
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Speaker 7: not gonna let us do. We rebuilt our black wall

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Speaker 7: streets and up until the building goes the ends, they highways,

551
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Speaker 7: they were thriving and they're prospering. We could have said

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Speaker 7: the same thing during enslavement, chattel enslavement. We've been enslaved

553
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Speaker 7: for this long. They're not gonna let us be free.

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Speaker 7: But no people Maryland are such as Harriet Tupman and

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Speaker 7: Freddie Douglas's fault and said, well, we would not tolerate

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Speaker 7: nor accept. So I think that in every generation they

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Speaker 7: are people that they're not everybody, but in every generation

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Speaker 7: they are people that doesn't just take what's given by

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Speaker 7: the oppress. They that they demand and they take what

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Speaker 7: they deserve. And I pray for more of those people

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Speaker 7: and call on them to call and walk with us

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Speaker 7: to DC to take what's ours.

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Speaker 1: All Right, I'm looking at twenty five away from the

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Speaker 1: top there. I just got a tweet for you. I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to find a tweet. I just think of just

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Speaker 1: a lasting Okay, it's a tweeter said, Oh, this is

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Speaker 1: the tweet just says what should we do to survive

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six and how can reparations, the quest

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Speaker 1: for reparations help us.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think the twenty and twenty six and continuation

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty five. I'm not gonna be one of these

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Speaker 7: prosperity gospel preachers and telling us that everything's gonna be

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Speaker 7: signed in twenty six because everything was not fined in

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty five and twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 6: They won.

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Speaker 7: They won the President sign and executive order to dismantle

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Speaker 7: DEI efforts across the country that were put in the

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Speaker 7: place in response to George Floyd. And after that, we

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Speaker 7: saw hundreds of corporations, including Target, including Amazon, including McDonald's

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Speaker 7: white clean their DI programs. We saw four hundred universities

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Speaker 7: of white claim their DI programs. This year twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 7: we saw this president take an attack on black leadership,

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Speaker 7: particularly though black women as he saw it. As he

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Speaker 7: tried to fire used to cook from the Fair Reserve,

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Speaker 7: as he got rid of us of the Willclox from

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Speaker 7: the National Labor Relations Board, as he attacked. Fanny Willis

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Speaker 7: out of the Forest County day and Georgia and Chis

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Speaker 7: James and turning generals from New York. We saw this president,

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Speaker 7: this manager of the Department of Education.

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Speaker 1: Right and hold I thought right there at doctor Tenner.

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Speaker 1: We got to check the news and then we'll come

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Speaker 1: and I'll let you finish your thought of Mark in

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Speaker 1: Baltimore has a question for you. Family, YouTube can join

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Speaker 1: our conversations Monday morning. Reach out to us at eight

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Speaker 1: hundred four to five zero seventy eight seventy six and

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Speaker 1: we'll take your phone calls. After the news. It's next

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Speaker 1: and grand Rising family and how about it Ghani and

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Speaker 1: the response to Hujahma Cooperative Economics is the fourth day

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Speaker 1: of Quanta. A guest is doctor Robert Richard Allen Turner.

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Speaker 1: He's with the Empowerment Temple Ame Church. He's pastor of

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Speaker 1: that church in Baltimore, Maryland, and he makes a monthly

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Speaker 1: track to Washington, DC on foot from Baltimore to underscore

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Speaker 1: the need for reparations. Before we go back to him,

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Speaker 1: element just remind you. Coming up later this morning, we're

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Speaker 1: got to hear from black politics expert doctor James Taylor

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Speaker 1: before we hear from doctor Taylor, to hear from a

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Speaker 1: motivational speaker and authored coach Butch Powell. He's going to

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Speaker 1: talk about his latest book, Hip Hop Hypocrisy and When

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Speaker 1: the Lies Sound Like the Truth, a lot of response

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Speaker 1: to what Nicki Minaj is going through doing and Snoop

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Speaker 1: He's going to talk about all about that. He's coming

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Speaker 1: up this morning. Late this week, you're gonna hear from

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Speaker 1: Grill professor James Small, also Public Enemy is Professor Griff

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Speaker 1: and Afghanistan critical thinking expert doctor David Hornibeer as well.

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Speaker 1: So if you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep

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Speaker 1: you ready, locked in tight on ten ten WLB, wait

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Speaker 1: for in the DMV family around fourteen fifty w L.

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Speaker 1: All right, doctor Turner, I'm gonna let you finish your

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Speaker 1: thought that Mark in Baltimore has a question for you.

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Speaker 6: Oh no, I'm just saying that everything that we uncounted

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Speaker 6: in twenty twenty five, we were building up muscles to

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Speaker 6: fight and to be strong, and we're gonna have to

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Speaker 6: use those muscles in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Well said sixteen away from the top of us, I

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Speaker 1: mentioned Mark's waiting for us. He's in Baltimore on Lane

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Speaker 1: one Grand Rise in Mark and I'm about ay Ghani.

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Speaker 1: I'm with doctor Turner.

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Speaker 6: Hey, great rise you guys a bar Ghani And you know,

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Speaker 6: doctor Turner, I want to thank you, you know, for

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Speaker 6: having that, you know, the vision to to do what

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Speaker 6: you do. Man. You know, I know that can't be easy.

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Speaker 6: You know, I live in Baltimore and I do drive

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Speaker 6: the DC. You know what I man, But uh, that's

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Speaker 6: great and I want to ask you too.

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Speaker 8: You you you do what you call.

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Speaker 6: Uh what Martin Luther King used to call. Uh, I

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Speaker 6: mean not Martin Luther King, but the President Barack Obama

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00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 6: used to call. He said, we can walk into gum

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Speaker 6: at the same time. So you also host a lot

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Speaker 6: of youth forums here and I mean the Baltimore You know,

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Speaker 6: we are us and and different people. And I appreciate

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Speaker 6: you for doing that because have you talked to our governor, uh,

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Speaker 6: the only black governor in the United States who I

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Speaker 6: think is to be reelected. Have you talked to him

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Speaker 6: about why he was against the commission not reparation because

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Speaker 6: he's the young man's a solution oriented person. He said,

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Speaker 6: let's you know, let's get things done. Let's stop talking

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Speaker 6: about it. And have you talked to uh Have you

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Speaker 6: talked to uh a Van mister a Van at the

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Speaker 6: boys school about them getting ready to close the boys

651
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Speaker 6: school and the number one one killed of our young

652
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 6: boys and in Baltimore's murder? Have you talked either one

653
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 6: or both of them? First of all, thank you brother

654
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 6: for highlighting the work that we are as does. They

655
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 6: are one of my.

656
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 7: Most favorite organizations in the whole country what they do,

657
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 7: and I think a lot of it has been seen

658
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 7: in the drop in homicide I say in Baltimore and

659
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 7: the focus on the youth for great works that they do,

660
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,240
Speaker 7: and I'll always there to be a partner with them.

661
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 7: I have taught with the governor about reparations and these

662
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 7: fans on that, and a lot of that was public.

663
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 7: I don't really get into personal conversations and exposing them publicly,

664
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Speaker 7: but I have much much respect for Governor Moore, continue

665
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 7: to have much respect to go to more as far

666
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 7: as his brother Aman. I am so terriful sorry to

667
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 7: hear about this school and we think thank for bringing

668
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 7: it up on this show. We have a people speaking

669
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 7: of Aujama. We need to be more in line of

670
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 7: heaving out each other to make sure especially when as

671
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 7: it elects to our children. But we do all we

672
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 7: can to make sure they have the education opportunities that

673
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 7: they need in order to succeed. I seek that would

674
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 7: be an indictment on us, especially if we allow something

675
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 7: like this to happen without any type of support. So

676
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 7: I do stands of the schools and thank you for

677
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 7: mentioning on the show so everybody else can hear about it.

678
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Speaker 1: All right, thanks Mark. Thirteen away from the top of down,

679
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: Doctor Tony say, your next track is going to be

680
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Speaker 1: on is actually on King's Birthday holiday or in the

681
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: holiday day celebrated on the weekend. What's exactly what.

682
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 7: The holiday is? On January nineteenth?

683
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 1: Okay, that's that Monday the nineteenth. What time do you start?

684
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Speaker 6: I started five twenty six am.

685
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 4: And how long does it take you to get to DC.

686
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Speaker 6: Depending on the weather, And honestly, the cold of the

687
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 6: weather is the harder. So with this being arguably MLK

688
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 6: is one of the most coldest.

689
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Speaker 9: Day of year.

690
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Speaker 7: Last year I walked during the MLK Day. It was

691
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Speaker 7: also the President Operation Day when the Proud Boys were

692
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 7: in town, and that was it was freeze. It was

693
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 7: freezing cold. So it took me about eighteen hours because

694
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 7: you walking on that white ice, you know, you know,

695
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 7: you card to see it, and it's it's easy to

696
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 7: slip in the fall. What I did in Decimber was

697
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 7: I had a delayed start time because of the ice.

698
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 7: I may do that again this coming up walk. It

699
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 7: started starting. So when I have a delayed start time,

700
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 7: instead of starting it started twenty six, I missed at

701
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Speaker 7: six or seven, twenty six.

702
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, your health comes first, so you know you

703
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: can't out there in that black ice in the dark.

704
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Speaker 1: The people, the people from the church or people just

705
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: from the community that they are they with you in

706
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 1: the mornings to get you started, to get.

707
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Speaker 8: You going, yeah literally or not.

708
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Speaker 6: Man, I have almost more equally, there's not more people

709
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 6: from the community doing these walks than I do from

710
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 6: the church. It's incredible, how I mean, that's why I

711
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 6: love this area. How people when they find out about it,

712
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 6: they come and support in some way. Right, even if

713
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 6: they can't walk the whole way, they'll come and support.

714
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 6: May bring me some hot tea to keep my body

715
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Speaker 6: warm doing these cold winter monks.

716
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 7: So yeah, I do have people from the church come.

717
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 7: I thank god Imparmer Temple. But we have more people

718
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 7: come throughout the whole walk that never stepped foot inside

719
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Speaker 7: the church, and a lot of them may even go

720
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 7: to church, but they believe in this cause.

721
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Speaker 4: Well that's good.

722
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Speaker 1: I'm happy to hear that, because, you know, because of

723
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Speaker 1: the political climate these days, people think that reparations is

724
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: just not you know, just not something that we can

725
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 1: even discuss. You know, because if we know, the folks

726
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: that don't like us, let alone, one of the things,

727
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: they despises us getting anything, even if even if we

728
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: do deserve it, they don't think that we should get it.

729
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: So I'm glad that you're getting to some support from

730
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: the groundsroots part of the community. But having said that,

731
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: you know, just think about this walk that you do.

732
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: Do you lose weight or is that is that you know?

733
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: Doing this walk?

734
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Speaker 6: Every walk, bro, I lose ten thousand calories. I burn

735
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 6: ten thousand calories. Now my problem has been I gained

736
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 6: it right back because I eat the next day. But yeah,

737
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 6: you can't lose a loss of the five six pounds

738
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Speaker 6: per walk.

739
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, Yeah, that's that's noticeable. But but what did

740
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: you what does your family say about this? What do

741
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: they say do they are they encouraging her? I say,

742
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: you know, all right, you've proven your point. Now stay home.

743
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: We want you to stay with us. We want to

744
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: want you to preserve your health. Or they say, dad,

745
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 1: her husband keep going. You know what are they saying?

746
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:21,720
Speaker 6: Well, my parents are not that excited about it, right then?

747
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 6: My mom? Everyone actually is the last one, this last

748
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 6: one my daddy and he's not just did my doctors

749
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 6: they tell me I'm not doing my body any favors.

750
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 6: My boys actually want to come out with me sometimes,

751
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 6: but it's a safe reasons. I don't know, it's not

752
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 6: Ain't there mostly in school doing the work, so it

753
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 6: is it is not for the same or l It.

754
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: Is not just the reality of doing it. But one

755
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: year you also went to the the the museum, the

756
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: African American History Museum in d C. Could you tell

757
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: us about why you've made a two stop journey that

758
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 1: particular year.

759
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I've done that to the Smithson We called

760
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 6: the Blackstonians several times now and once the president this year,

761
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 6: the President has tried to whitewash American history and also

762
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 6: called for the uh taking away of certain exhibits impossible

763
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 6: funding front of Blackstonian.

764
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 7: For I and others felt it was that it'd be

765
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 7: very important to to highlight the great work that the

766
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 7: Blacksonian does and joining pastors such as Old Marvel Third

767
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 7: Our Chicago and encouraging our membership to sign up as

768
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 7: members of the Blacksonian, which Empowerment Temple now as a member,

769
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 7: uh and I personally am a member of the Blacksonian Museum.

770
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: Ate away from the top of our Doctor Turner, doctor

771
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: Robert Richard Allen Turner from the empower Temple Baptist Church family,

772
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: and he makes a month walk from Baltimore to Washington,

773
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: d C. To unscore the need for reparations. Are you

774
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: getting a lot of support from black media? I know

775
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: we put you on all the time, but what about

776
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: the other folks, the newspapers in the area, television stations

777
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,479
Speaker 1: and the folks who've got podcasts? Are they embracing your walk?

778
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: Are they helping you to publicize what you're doing?

779
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 7: Nobody does what you do, by the nuts, and I

780
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 7: want to thank God for you. I have been in

781
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 7: print of the AFRO and I have been on Roland

782
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 7: Martin's show. But that's pretty much it, I believe as relates.

783
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 6: To black media.

784
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: Oh, well, okay, my fellow media analysts out there and

785
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: pick up the baton now. We need you to get

786
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: this message across to our people that there's a person

787
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: by the name of doctor Robert Richard Allen that makes

788
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: a monthly track on foot. It doesn't matter what the

789
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 1: season is, he's still doing it to underscore the need

790
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 1: for reparations because and I keep mentioning the reason why

791
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: I asked that because you know, right now, uh, the

792
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: political climate in the country is not recepted to talking

793
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: about black people getting reparations. Let's be real about that.

794
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: That's the last thing they want to talk about. And

795
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: people don't think with this particular person in the White House,

796
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: so we're ever going to achieve reparation. Reparations the last

797
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 1: thing that's on his mind. So, having said all of that, though,

798
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: doctor Turner, what keeps you going? What keeps you knowing

799
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: that you know it's not probably won't happen with this

800
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: particular person in the White House. But what keeps you

801
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 1: going knowing that my.

802
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 7: Faith and my love my people. Honestly, that's when I'm walking.

803
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 7: My faith is what motivates and inspires me, and also

804
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 7: the love half our people. The want us to get

805
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 7: this justice that we deserve.

806
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 6: So I do.

807
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 7: I did it on the Biden, I am told so

808
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 7: I did it on my Obama and BIB and now

809
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 7: I'm doing it. I'm a Trump and I will continue

810
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 7: to do it because to me, it's not so much

811
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 7: about the position, but it's about the how the position

812
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 7: holes in color speaking the truth to their power of demanding,

813
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 7: demanding that we get our justice.

814
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: I got to ask you this question five away from

815
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: the top of every doctor Robert Richard Allen turning the

816
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: doctor turned. I spoken to Ralph Abernathy and Andy Young

817
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: about when they were marching it during the South and

818
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: did Gregory as well, and asked them what they did

819
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: because there's sometimes they're marching, there's nobody on the streets,

820
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: they're all by themselves, and that they all had songs

821
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: that they adopted and I was just not singing we

822
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: Shall Overcome that they sang a lot of Curtis Mayfield songs.

823
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: You know, we're a winner. Yeah, So I just wondered,

824
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: do you do you have that same issue? Do you

825
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: have some songs that you keep in your head or

826
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: music did you play to keep you your spirits high

827
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: when you're walking.

828
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 7: Yes, of course I do the Gospels and you know

829
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 7: those old anthems and even know hymns. But uh, every

830
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 7: now and then I will put on well, you know

831
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 7: what the young folks called trap music, because around music

832
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 7: to keep keep my body, keep my body energized. Doing

833
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 7: the wrong hard walks, yes, and especially when you got

834
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 7: people yelling and shouting obscenities towards you while you're walking,

835
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 7: you gotta have something to tune it out from.

836
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 6: The walks. And I've been hate before to doing the walk.

837
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Speaker 1: Really, yeah, I did not know that. I didn't know

838
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: that that part of the the I thought people just

839
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 1: ignored you. But listen, we'll come up on a break.

840
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 1: We're gonna check the traffic and weather in our different cities.

841
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: So when we come back, though, tell us what what

842
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: particular area that you get heckled or people are, you know,

843
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 1: throwing things at you and yelling obscenities. What particular area

844
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: it is. Because that's the case, then we need to

845
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: get our family members out there, but anywhere from the

846
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: track from from Baltimore City, Washington, d C. Because I

847
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: know we've got we've got brothers and ancestors out there

848
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: who can make sure that you you were well protected

849
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: during this this this walk that you do monthly walk

850
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: for reparation. Finally, what are your thoughts you want to

851
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 1: join thisation with? I guess doctor Robert Richard Allen Turner

852
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: three minutes away from the top of the I reach

853
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: out to us at eight hundred four to five zero

854
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls.

855
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: After the trafficking weather, li'sten next and grand rising family

856
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: and about it Ghani on this fourth day of Quanta

857
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: and your sponsor be Ujama Cooperative Economics. Our guest is

858
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: doctor Robert Richard Allen Turner from Baltimore's Empowerment Temple AME

859
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: Church and he walks every month from Baltimore City to Washington,

860
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: d C. On the score of reparations and momentary, we're

861
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: going to speak with coach and motivational speaker Alfred Powell.

862
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: Coach Powell join us, but let's finish up with doctor Turner. So,

863
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: doctor Turner, you said during this walk that you can

864
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: count people yelling obscenities and probably throwing stuff at you.

865
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Speaker 1: Where along the trek does this happen? Can you share

866
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: the places the cities that this happens.

867
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 7: Yes, it typically happens in Howard County and even in

868
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 7: Prince George's County, but estrangs to Howard.

869
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 1: County, Howard County. All right, family, we know what to do.

870
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,919
Speaker 1: Doctor turn is going to take another trip next month

871
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 1: on the King Holiday weekend. He's going to march again

872
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: from from Baltimore to DC and we need for you

873
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,720
Speaker 1: to come out in strength. So make sure that nothing

874
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 1: happens to this brother. If you're in Howard County or

875
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: PG County, we need to make sure that you know

876
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: that at least take care of. All you have to

877
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 1: do is show up. As long as they see your

878
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: face in the place, they were not going to be

879
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: throwing things at this brother or hurling obscenities at him.

880
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: So we need for you to show up and I'll

881
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: tell you what you do. Let's let's talk again on

882
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: that particular date that the remind folks Doctor Turner. You

883
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: know that we need to show up and protect you

884
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: as you make those journeys for reparations. But before we

885
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: let you go, Doctor Turner, how can folks reach you

886
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: if they want to support you and want to support

887
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 1: your church and want support because that's not the only

888
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: thing you do, Empowerment Temple. So how can people reach you?

889
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 7: How can we reached social media Instagram handle r e

890
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 7: v D R Robert Turner. I can also reach the

891
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 7: email Pastor Turner at Parmer Temple dot it got you.

892
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: Thank you, doctor Terry. I hope you feel better and

893
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. I know you're not one hundred

894
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: percent but playing hurt. As they say in the ball games,

895
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: you playing hurt. So we appreciate you.

896
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 6: Yes, thank you.

897
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: All right, family, that's doctor Robert Richard Allen Turner from

898
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 1: Empowerment Temple AM Church in Baltimore. All right, let's turn

899
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: our attention to our next guests. The first time we've

900
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: have it on this particular problem, but it used to

901
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: be a regular with us in LA. Coach Alfred Powell,

902
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: Coach Powell, Grand Rising, Welcome to the.

903
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 10: Program, Grant Rising, my brother.

904
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: Coach Powell. The first time here on these airways with us.

905
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: As I mentioned, a long time used to be with

906
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: us back in LA. Why don't you just tell the

907
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: folks a little bit of your background, because when we

908
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: found out you were a motivational speaker back then you

909
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: had had the best selling book, A message in the

910
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: bottle the forty eight forty ounce that was the title

911
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: of book. Correct me if I'm wrong on that. It's

912
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: been a minute. But give us a little bit of

913
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: your background first.

914
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 10: Oh wow, Well, I'm the youngest of thirteen, so long

915
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 10: before being educated. I was being educated from a large household,

916
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 10: originally from the South, lived and raised in the Midwest.

917
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 10: Have an identical twin brother, and my sluggan is I'm

918
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 10: in it to win it. Been married for over forty

919
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 10: years to the same beautiful woman, four beautiful children. When

920
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 10: they act right, I clayed them all. So I am

921
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 10: this is personal for me. On this track of talking

922
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 10: to young people. I coached for thirty eight years, sixteen

923
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 10: state championships in the state of Ohio, number of national

924
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 10: titles in track and field. So I'm doing what I

925
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 10: love to do so much that one day I'm gonna

926
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 10: get a real job because it doesn't feel like work

927
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 10: to me. It's a mission, it's a calling, and I

928
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 10: have accepted it, and so that's who I am. In

929
00:49:55,120 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 10: a nutshell, refuse to quit trying to go forward with

930
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 10: the message of telling young people they have a purpose.

931
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 10: Don't lose your focus do not fall short of your purpose.

932
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 10: So that's basically brother, I'm just happy to be with

933
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 10: you today. And let me say in advance to apologize

934
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 10: for my articulation about a year and a half removed

935
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 10: from a stroke.

936
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 8: So last time that we were together, almost.

937
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 10: Thirty years ago, I had no problem articulating pronouncing our

938
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 10: announcing words. But every once in a while they hit

939
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 10: one of those that I just can't finish, and that's

940
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 10: to tell my audience we're gonna last and move on.

941
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:40,240
Speaker 10: So that's coach, found that's who I am in a nutshell.

942
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: All right, Coach. Yeah, I no apologies, Coach. We understand

943
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 1: because you've been there for our young people for years.

944
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: We talked, we don't talk about the book Message in

945
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: the Bottle, But what made you write this book? Your

946
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: Lady's book? Hip hop? Hypocrisy when the lies sound like

947
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 1: the truth.

948
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:55,280
Speaker 11: Oh wow.

949
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 10: It's basically just a continuation of the messages that I

950
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 10: was bringing forth and Message in a Bottle. I've always,

951
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 10: like I said, come from a large family. Parents used

952
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 10: to talking cold, you know, talk over your head. Your

953
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 10: brothers and sisters would be saying some things and they

954
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 10: look at you as the youngest is very snitched. So

955
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 10: they were talking code and so very young. That sort

956
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 10: of shaping my mind of, like, you know what, And

957
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 10: I never knew I would fall in love with psychology

958
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 10: and along with the black culture itself, and so I

959
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 10: just started saying, Wow, a lot of the things that

960
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 10: we were seeing being advertised to our young people in

961
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 10: the era of multi.

962
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 2: Lichorhad Washington area traffic on the web at w o

963
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 2: L I apologize.

964
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 10: No problem, had Hitten messages as as well as some

965
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 10: of the lyrics back in the day.

966
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 8: I love music.

967
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 10: I come from a musical background, but I knew the

968
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 10: power of persuasion and the power of slogans and things

969
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 10: like that. So I started to decode some of those things.

970
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 10: I guess in a nutshell, I just fell in love

971
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 10: with decoding and creating the conversation around what was really

972
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 10: getting sold to our young people and their consumption. And

973
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 10: as a young coach, a couple of my star athletes

974
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 10: felt their physical and I asked the physician what's going

975
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 10: on and he said, man, clinically a lot of your

976
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 10: guys are alcoholics. Like, what sixteen fifteen years old do

977
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 10: you need? And it was, you know, want of talking

978
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 10: to the young guys. Everybody was into this new thing

979
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 10: called forty ounces, and I had to educate myself and

980
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 10: then it just took off from there, and before I

981
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 10: knew it, I've written a book about it, and it

982
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 10: took off. It took a life of its own. So

983
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 10: as a result, long story showed a lot of those

984
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 10: buillboards that you saw in particular communities, particularly black communities.

985
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 10: They started to come down. If my life changed, what

986
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 10: the good, also came the bad, the threats, the slanders,

987
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 10: things like that. So it's a reddle fight, brother, it's

988
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 10: just retal fight.

989
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you've held so many young people, coach. I

990
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: remember the forty ounce message in the bottle, the forty

991
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 1: ounce scandal, when our young people are embracing the forty ounce.

992
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: Before we go to the new book, can you just

993
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: tell us what made you speak out about that. You

994
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: mentioned that some of your athletes were clinically alcoholics. But

995
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 1: was it was it bad or was it something else?

996
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 10: It's that little's personal too, coming from a large family

997
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 10: raise in the when my teenage years was in the seventies,

998
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 10: so you know, I got I got some dust on

999
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 10: the wings. But the whole issue of battling addiction was

1000
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 10: very personal in my family, even though my father was

1001
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 10: I'm a PK. My father's biggest secret was that, you know,

1002
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 10: is his demons with alcoholism.

1003
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 8: Then I had.

1004
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 10: Brothers and sisters who are professional entertainers, and it didn't

1005
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 10: take long before they were being paid with substances versus

1006
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 10: their money. Are they spent their money trying to maintain

1007
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 10: the chasing that high, et cetera, et cetera. So I

1008
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 10: brought a lot of trauma into my life as a

1009
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 10: young person, seeing my brothers and sisters and my father

1010
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 10: as well, struggle with his uncles everything, and I mean

1011
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 10: on both sides of the family, of my mother's side

1012
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 10: of my father said, I said, this cannot just be

1013
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 10: the rights of passage for black people only. And so

1014
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 10: I've always had an interest and you know, countering addiction

1015
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 10: and the influences and the outcomes of those addictions.

1016
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: Ten halfter the top of that family, I guess it's

1017
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: Coach Coach Palace, the author of the best selling book

1018
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: Message in the Bottle of forty scal Handle. Those of

1019
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: you who have got memories can recall remember they were

1020
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: pushing the forty ounce of the young brothers. Uh boys

1021
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: in the hood. I remember that movie. You saw them

1022
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: with a forty ounce that was that was the typical drink,

1023
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: the drink of choice for our young people back in

1024
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: the day. And Coach Powell was sounding the alarm and say, hey,

1025
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: we don't have to do this, you young brothers, don't

1026
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: have to drink this forty ounce. There's more to the

1027
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: just having a delicious beverage, if you will, So Coach Powell,

1028
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: but you sort of used that and spring god on

1029
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: onto the hip hop hypocrisy when the lies you say

1030
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: sound like the truth, and you said that was that

1031
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: was part of the I guess the trajectory from the

1032
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: forty ounce the message in the bottle of the forty

1033
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: ounce scandle uh tell us about the book, explain what

1034
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: and this is unfamily. You need to hear this because

1035
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: this is a trap they said for our young people.

1036
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: Just what they did when they try to push those

1037
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: forty ounce drinks on our young people. Now they're doing

1038
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: with the music. So Coach Pom that you explain that, Well.

1039
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 10: It's a script. I came out with message in a

1040
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 10: bottle value one in somewhere like ninety five ninety six

1041
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:11,439
Speaker 10: and sort of took a license owned in Volume two

1042
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 10: and the year two thousand, I was offered all type

1043
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 10: of money not to write Volume two. But as I

1044
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 10: said then, and I say, now, what people are not

1045
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 10: to sell? And then in two thousand, maybe eleven twelve,

1046
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 10: I started to springboard into hip hop hypocrisy when large

1047
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 10: sound like the truth because the music in it, And

1048
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 10: I'm not speaking against hip hop artists per se. I'm

1049
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 10: talking about the forces that's behind built. I want to

1050
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 10: make sure I'm clear on that, because a lot of

1051
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 10: times they try to shape me into being the brother

1052
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 10: who doesn't like what their brothers and sisters do with

1053
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 10: their talent. No, but I understand when you look at

1054
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 10: our history as African people in America, that everything is

1055
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 10: a script. If it's not a script, then it's being scripted.

1056
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 10: And you're seeing that being act out now with enough

1057
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 10: last election and things like that, how particular artists are representing.

1058
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,760
Speaker 10: Let me sort of say the other side in a sense.

1059
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 10: Don't want to make it sound like we only have

1060
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 10: one position in politics and things like that, but you know,

1061
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 10: like this is still the script. They do it out

1062
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 10: of obligations to their contracts and all of those things

1063
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 10: that you saw from message in a bottle to hip hoppocrisy,

1064
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 10: when lies sound like the truth are continuations. They don't

1065
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 10: do it necessarily because they want to. They're doing it.

1066
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 10: As the young people say, they're chasing the bag. They're

1067
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 10: chasing the bag. And if I tell my audience even

1068
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 10: to this day, you can't get the bag from inside

1069
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 10: of a body bag. Hint. This stuff will kill you.

1070
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 10: Is designed to kill you. Starts with your esteem, your worth,

1071
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 10: and your value and everything else goes with that. So

1072
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 10: that's that's why I do it, because we're just misinformed.

1073
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 10: We're misinformed quite a bit. And people say you believe

1074
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 10: in conspiracies, Well I don't. I don't say I believe

1075
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 10: in conspiracies, but I don't believe in constants. I don't

1076
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 10: believe everything is just a consequence.

1077
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 5: I us.

1078
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 10: You know, it is a script and it is repeated

1079
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 10: from generation to generation. So there's nothing new under the sun.

1080
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 10: So that's that's why I do to not push it,

1081
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 10: because our young people have to be giving a chance

1082
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 10: to live life, not do life. Let me say that again,

1083
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 10: but our young people deserve the right to live life,

1084
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 10: not serve life in the sense of incarceration. So that's

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00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 10: that's why I do what I do. That's my motivation.

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Speaker 1: Brothers at fourteen, half that time, A foundly with coach

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Speaker 1: Coach Pale. Again it's a motivational speakers, especially for our

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00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: young people. You used to have them on all the

1089
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:59,919
Speaker 1: time to some of our young people are going on

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00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: going south on us. And he wrote the book Message

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00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: in a Bottle of forty Ounce Scandal, because that was

1092
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: the drink of choice back then. If some of you

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00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: may recall, that was everybody and they did songs about

1094
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: the forty ounce. But Coach you mentioned that this is

1095
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: sort of scripted. Is this scripted or is this implied

1096
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: for our young hip hop artist?

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00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 10: Well, it's scripted. I may be wrong, but I doubt it.

1098
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 10: I've ever studying it all my life. I can like

1099
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 10: Message in a Bottle, we sort of predicted what was

1100
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 10: coming and boom. I ended up writing hip Hop Hypocrisy

1101
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 10: with live sound like the Truth. It definitely came out.

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00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 10: Think about it, think about it, whether you some of

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00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 10: your favorite artists. And I'm not knocking young you, so

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00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 10: don't send me a bunch of emails and text message

1105
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 10: just calling me a hater. But when they did what

1106
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 10: they did, and the messages that they portrayed, all of

1107
00:59:56,520 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 10: them were centered around what we call the solvy. They

1108
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 10: fw AV sex, wealth, addictions and violence, fall V and

1109
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 10: some of the things that they did and talked about

1110
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 10: repeatedly that was spent in your ear music wise and videos.

1111
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 10: Things like that led to death and incarceration did have

1112
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,959
Speaker 10: great income outcomes for us, and as a result of that,

1113
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 10: those same people now went on to become movie stars

1114
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 10: of their own TV shows. Wealth just glory on them

1115
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 10: and became the speaking or the mouthpiece for a community

1116
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 10: that they helped, They helped to influence and in some

1117
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 10: cases destroyed. People can't get their lives back. Some of

1118
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:52,959
Speaker 10: the decisions that people made things like that. Yeah, part

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01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 10: of it was environmental and some of it was cultural

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01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 10: based in the sense of people wanted to be seen

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01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 10: heard and they were traumatized and no one was dealing

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01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 10: with our trauma. So the trauma recovery coach I had

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01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 10: to look for the anteceton or the roots. It's just yes,

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01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 10: more than just music influences. But when we were bobarded

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Speaker 10: like that, it produced what I call psycho media perpetrator

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01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 10: disorder that is due to the over influence or the

1127
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 10: over indulgent and infantry and advice that is negative. So

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Speaker 10: I didn't need to get clear and.

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Speaker 1: Hold I thought right that Coach, we gotta step aside

1130
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: for a few months. I'll let you finish your thought

1131
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: when you come back and explain to us how the

1132
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 1: internet the role the internet has played, because first of

1133
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 1: you came on the scene there was no internet, and

1134
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 1: you manage you get the message out, and now there's

1135
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: the Internet, and then then it also works both ways,

1136
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 1: So explain how that impacts what you were trying to do.

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01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: Family just joined us. I guess it's Coach Powell. Coach

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01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: Palace written a book called Hip Hop Hypocrisy When the

1139
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: lies sound like the truth He saw about some of

1140
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: my young rappers. What are your thoughts eight hundred and

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01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and number

1142
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: to call to speaker Coach. We'll take your phone calls

1143
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 1: next and grand Rising family and I Barry Ghani to

1144
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: you and your response is on the fourth day of

1145
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: Consers of Gaman Cooperative Economics. Our guess is Coach Powell.

1146
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 1: Coach Powell is a motivational speaker and also an author,

1147
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: and what we do, we've Coach Powell. Whenever our young

1148
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: people seem to go and sound, we could reach for

1149
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: Coach palells that he can speak to them. He's known

1150
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: for his best selling books and a Message in a Bottle,

1151
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: the Forty Ounce Scandal, Volume one and two, and those

1152
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: days back then. Somebody you may recall if you remember

1153
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: Boys in the Hood in that movie and all that

1154
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: time was going on to Jerry curle Air and all

1155
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: of that. That's trying to push these forty ounces the

1156
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: drink of choice for our youngsters. And this is what

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01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: got Coach Powell started, and Coach Powell is followed up

1158
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 1: now with a book called Hip Hop Hypocrisy When the

1159
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: Lies Sound like the truth. So Coach Powell, before let that,

1160
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 1: asked you about the Internet, because back there when you

1161
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 1: did Message in the Bottle, there was no Internet, but

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01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 1: you still got your message out. And so the question

1163
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 1: for me to you now is though with this new

1164
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: with the internet house, the Internet changed what you're trying

1165
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: to trying to help our young people.

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01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 10: Well, social media is has good and it has bad

1167
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 10: like anything else. But the question I have to ask

1168
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 10: young people now in my lectures, it has a visiting

1169
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 10: profession sometimes what is your social media hygiene? And we

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01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 10: run that value one more time, exactly your social media hygiene.

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01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 10: You never seen that or heard how children rather get

1172
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 10: expelled from school than give up their cell phones because

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01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 10: the things that they have via social media are unhealthy.

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01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 10: Most of the time, it is unhealthy. And so that

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01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 10: that that ill effect that comes along with poor social

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01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 10: media hygiene. Are the Internet things like that we pay

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01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 10: a price for. We pay a price. Well, we look

1178
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:58,439
Speaker 10: at the number of hours that are spent on these

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01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 10: devices and takes away the human contact and the expediency

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01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 10: in which negativity is spread like a violence. So there's

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01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 10: something to be dealt with. We can't ignore it, and

1182
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 10: we have to discuss it without a doubt. So I

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01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 10: ask young people about the social media hygiene and they're

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01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 10: gonna look at you, like what the heck is that

1185
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 10: you know? But it's a very real thing that I've

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01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 10: been exploring for the last twenty years. And you can

1187
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 10: see it. Even when I work with children in the

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01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 10: fifth and sixth grade, their disposition on certain conversations are

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01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 10: so far advanced that it is unhealthy. The images that

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01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 10: they're staying in. Pornography is another lungs a big subject

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01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 10: to talk about as it relates to their social media hygiene.

1192
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 10: But yeah, we're paying a price for it and a

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01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 10: fright for the cell phones and the internet are raising

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01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 10: our children and that is not the way it's supposed

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01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 10: to be.

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Speaker 1: Twenty three after the time, I'm speaking about the Internet.

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Speaker 1: The good thing about the Internet we can talk to

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01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 1: people all over the world, and we got and we've

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Speaker 1: got Paul calling us from the UK is in London,

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01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 1: east of London, to be exactly, and he has a

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01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 1: question for the coach Grant Rising. Paul, welcome back to

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01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: the program.

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Speaker 12: Your question for Coach Rising, bubble Quasi and grand Rising

1204
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 12: to your guest. I have to apologize, so I didn't

1205
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 12: get all the conversation in the interview. I only caught

1206
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 12: the part where you talked about he had a book

1207
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:40,479
Speaker 12: on our hip hop and that's where I came into

1208
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 12: the conversation and I just had to ring in.

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01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 8: So you know, I still a question.

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01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 12: I would like to get the book, So let me

1211
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 12: ask where where do you get the book from?

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01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 10: You can still find it on the internet. They're still available.

1213
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 10: I'll go to Amazon and just put in Alfred Coach

1214
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 10: Powell and read the books will come up absolutely.

1215
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 12: It's the title of the book.

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01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 10: Hip Hop Hypocrisy when I sound like the truth.

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01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 12: That's that's that's an interesting title for me.

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01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 10: And the reason why it's my dres.

1219
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 12: Because I I I've been involved in hip hop a

1220
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 12: long time. M hm, you know from from Breakbeats. I

1221
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 12: used to I was in New York for a while

1222
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 12: and I came back to London, came back to England

1223
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 12: and I brought back with me Breakbeats at the time.

1224
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 12: I've met a lot of the artists, some of the

1225
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 12: artists African Bamba, although the controversy surrounds him now DMX,

1226
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 12: I've met, I've met and I you know, and I

1227
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 12: I really reject a lot of the summarizations of hip

1228
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 12: hop because my son's a rapper, he went to acting school,

1229
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 12: he's a rapper, he's a producer. My brother, he's came

1230
01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 12: out of the same culture. He's one of the best grafts.

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01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 9: Designs in this country.

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01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 12: We've done very well out of it, and none of

1233
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 12: us have done the stereotypes people talk about, and none

1234
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 12: of us have.

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01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 9: All my friends were involving it.

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01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 12: So I really find it difficult when I hear all

1237
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 12: this so called negative talk of how improp is ruined

1238
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 12: this and done that and then this.

1239
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 10: So that's just my point. I'll get the.

1240
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 12: Book and because I need to write something myself because

1241
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 12: I don't think a lot of what I hear is true,

1242
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 12: to be.

1243
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 5: Honest with Doud.

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01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 12: But anyways, thanks thanks to all contribution.

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01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 10: Well, and that's normally the constant way that the industry

1246
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 10: is set up. People think the information is all negative.

1247
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 10: It is my job, whether socially or clinically, to explain

1248
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 10: the consequences from being bombarded. He said something very interesting

1249
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 10: as one of his relatives in the business, and they're

1250
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 10: an actor, so he missed what we said in the

1251
01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 10: beginning how some of those things so called hip hop

1252
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 10: gainst the subculture, which gainst the rat was the subculture

1253
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 10: of hip hop. Hip hop was a very positive entity.

1254
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 10: But when we came with this gainst a hip hop,

1255
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 10: it was to reshape. It was a shape shifting taking place,

1256
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:20,640
Speaker 10: to reshape and bombard young people with the image and

1257
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:25,599
Speaker 10: a negative message. The good was taken out. That's why

1258
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 10: the subtitle was would lie sound like the truth? And

1259
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:33,760
Speaker 10: in the book I discussed when it became corporate, how

1260
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 10: things were controlled and messages from you reshifted. I met

1261
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 10: a lot of the entertainers that he talked about. So yeah,

1262
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:46,760
Speaker 10: without a doubt, it's a contract. You will follow the

1263
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 10: contract or you will pay the consequences.

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01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, coaching, let me jump in here twenty seven at

1265
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 1: the top. They are you sort of predicted some of

1266
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 1: the things that we're seeing on the scene. Now some

1267
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 1: of these rappers Alice mention the names because that's the

1268
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 1: way it's. People can't understand we're talking about it, you know.

1269
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 1: And Nicki Minadje a snoop dog and all of a sudden,

1270
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 1: when they started out there, they would they had crusades

1271
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,639
Speaker 1: against what Now they're they're embracing and they've been put

1272
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 1: on the platform. But you talked about that early, you

1273
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 1: predicted this. What did you see that many of us didn't.

1274
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Speaker 13: That is a script.

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01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 10: It's a script that it's called the psychologists called predictable outcome.

1276
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 10: I'm a football coach, a very successful high school football

1277
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 10: coach back in my day, and it's no different than

1278
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 10: any sport that you played. It's scripted. The best of

1279
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 10: those to do the game, they have a script that

1280
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 10: they follow to predict the outcome as an offensive A

1281
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 10: guy myself, I would do certain things on offense to

1282
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 10: predict what the defense would do, and then I would

1283
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 10: counter what they were doing. That's how the business of

1284
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 10: music is. Absolutely it's no different. And I'm not saying

1285
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 10: good that are indifferent. There's a consequence from when you're

1286
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 10: over indulging in a certain message. So even with the caller,

1287
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:13,639
Speaker 10: it will have you get offensive defensive if you don't

1288
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 10: understand the total purpose of some of those messages. It's

1289
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 10: just that simple. You don't have to have a psych degree, sociologists, anthropologists, whatever. Anytime.

1290
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 10: For example, have you heard this new phenomenal young people

1291
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 10: are calling themselves why ends?

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Speaker 11: No?

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01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 10: I have not, Oh why ends? Young than the N word.

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01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 10: I don't know what your censorship is, so but yeah,

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01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 10: you know everybody's as a result of drill music drill rap,

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01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:49,639
Speaker 10: which is a Midwest sort of Chicago mentality, everybody talks

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01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:53,760
Speaker 10: about killing somebody or brag about, you know, their relationship

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01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:57,679
Speaker 10: with their guns and things like that. Well they got

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01:10:57,680 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 10: this tightened. The little young ends are crazy, you know.

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01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 10: On boom boom boom boom so young in I was like,

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01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 10: why would you? As I was doing some of my

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01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 10: HBCUs on tours last year. I'm like, why would you

1303
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 10: accept this? This title? Then called a young in? I said,

1304
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 10: look at the alphabet? What what letter comes just before

1305
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 10: the letter in M? But why aren't you celebrating being

1306
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 10: a young man? And if they're gonna call you a

1307
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:23,720
Speaker 10: young in, why can't you turn around and tell this

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01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:27,679
Speaker 10: that means young Nubian, which is rural too, et cetera.

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01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 10: So I try to use the culture as well, and

1310
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 10: so who's that in a room? And decided that the

1311
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 10: new turn was gonna be celebrating being a young in words?

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01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:41,680
Speaker 10: And what is the purpose of that? That that particular

1313
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 10: title itself would definitely have an outcome and it won't

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01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 10: be good.

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Speaker 1: So what did you show you, though, coach who decided

1316
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 1: to come with a young and all that negatives?

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01:11:55,080 --> 01:12:00,599
Speaker 10: Those are executive's decisions. Anything to generate money, and you

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01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 10: get a little bit.

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01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 9: Of that money.

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01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 10: As an artist, you got to hope you're selling T shirts,

1321
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 10: hats and other things like that, you get a little

1322
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:10,599
Speaker 10: of that and you will not reject it because once

1323
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 10: that money comes in, get them about your mother a house,

1324
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 10: your grandmother a house, your baby mama is a house

1325
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 10: or whatever it is.

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01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 8: And you got to keep them.

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01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 10: Payments up by any means nothing there so you will

1328
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:27,840
Speaker 10: endorse these products. You endure unhealthy practices, you know. And

1329
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 10: now you got to live out the image. And that's

1330
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 10: not you. You're an actor, you're an entertainer, but you

1331
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:39,600
Speaker 10: just can't have that facade following you. You gotta be

1332
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 10: about taking someone's life, promoting that, sleeping with a bunch

1333
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 10: of women, et cetera, et cetera. And once again, there

1334
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 10: are consequences to that.

1335
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 8: You never hear.

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01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 10: Those young brothers are sisters getting up promoting. Well, you do,

1337
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 10: some of them, you do, but they say quickly they

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01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 10: have to keep the negative message in front of a

1339
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 10: positive message. Cannot have a positive message, per se. And

1340
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:09,559
Speaker 10: there are consequences today. We got artists in prisons right

1341
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 10: now because they drank the kool aid. It's all on

1342
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:15,440
Speaker 10: this Thay. They drink the kool aid?

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01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 1: Right got your coach? Hell that thought there twenty get

1344
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 1: away from the top.

1345
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 1: The truth that is calling us from Cleveland is online too.

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01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 1: Grand Rising truth telling you a question for coach Grand Rising.

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01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 11: How you doing, coach? Let me say this, coach you

1349
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 11: and Ted again two of the best coaches ever. Man,

1350
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 11: not just in Ohio but in the country. Man. Uh so,

1351
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 11: just to shout out to y'a'm Ohio dude. Man, so,

1352
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 11: I got nothing but loved and respect for you and

1353
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 11: Ted Again, y'all been doing it for a while and

1354
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 11: you've done it excellent.

1355
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 9: So they don't even think most.

1356
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:55,560
Speaker 11: Most people might A lot of folks may know about you,

1357
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 11: but I don't think a lot of them know about

1358
01:13:57,080 --> 01:13:57,639
Speaker 11: Ted Again.

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01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 10: But again, y'all just to them, used to go he's

1360
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 10: the goat. He is the period.

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Speaker 11: Y'all. Though, I mean, hey, don't take credits from yourself

1362
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:11,640
Speaker 11: both of y'all over there, man, I mean, you just

1363
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 11: got to take your hats off to both of y'all.

1364
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 11: But hey, I wanted just real quick, I wanted to

1365
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 11: comment on the hy en Hey, you know, my my

1366
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 11: my soul cringe because should do a saying this is

1367
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:24,839
Speaker 11: almost used it in the press conference.

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01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 1: Man.

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01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 11: Yeah, he did say why, but he didn't He didn't

1370
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 11: say the term, but he did say, Hey, y'all know

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01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:34,720
Speaker 11: what I'm talking about, the why en so and you

1372
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 11: were talking to the media and I was like, man,

1373
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 11: I hope this dude, don't say that, but he didn't.

1374
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 11: He called himself. You caught that? Huh? Did you see that?

1375
01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 10: Absolutely? My phone was ringing.

1376
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 11: And the last thing I got for you this quick question. Well,

1377
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:54,680
Speaker 11: I just say this. I agree with y'all on the

1378
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 11: hip hop. But only thing I would say is this,

1379
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 11: at some point in time, coach, these artists get old

1380
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 11: enough to know better. When you forty fifty sixty, your

1381
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,719
Speaker 11: grandfather and all that, and you're still talking about cripping

1382
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 11: and something wrong with you, whether it's you got enough money.

1383
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 11: At some point in time, when is enough is enough?

1384
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 11: You sell your soul that deep. So that's the only

1385
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 11: thing I say about that. But the last the question

1386
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 11: I really called for with I just wanted your your

1387
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 11: your thoughts on this. What you think about the state

1388
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 11: of Ohio passing the NIL for the high school players?

1389
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 11: And then I've been hearing a lot about college players

1390
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 11: or NBA players on some NBA rosters going back to

1391
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 11: college with NIL deals. How does all that work? And

1392
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:43,760
Speaker 11: I take your answers off the air. Thank you, I

1393
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 11: appreciate you, Thank you, thank you. Coach.

1394
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:51,600
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, the NIL is nothing new. I mean Kaepernick

1395
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 10: showed you in his movie. They put you on the

1396
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 10: block they sell you, They sell your strength, your barado,

1397
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,120
Speaker 10: all those things like that, and when it's overwhel it,

1398
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 10: they move on to the next one. It's financial, it's financial.

1399
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 10: And but look you have Congress and and and basically

1400
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 10: wealthy white men said no, no, no, no, We've been

1401
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:17,679
Speaker 10: getting that talent for free forever. We have to change

1402
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 10: it now. They want to cap it without a doubt.

1403
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 10: And the young man who won the case for in

1404
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:29,719
Speaker 10: Il just happens to be my great nephew in Ohio

1405
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 10: from Wayne High School. You rights Wayne High School, So

1406
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 10: without a doubt and that and that's nothing new. Your

1407
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 10: labor will not be compensated for long. They used to

1408
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 10: free labor. That's what capitalism is. And I'm not knocking it.

1409
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 10: I'm just telling you the truth and what the research says.

1410
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 10: So so we have you know, young athletes fifth sixth

1411
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 10: grade men examined and looked over for their potential of

1412
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 10: their physical a human but not their mental. So yeah,

1413
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 10: what happens when you break a leg, you tear an

1414
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 10: ankle up, you tear a knee up, et cetera. So

1415
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:14,840
Speaker 10: you know it comes and goes without a doubt.

1416
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 6: So it is what it is.

1417
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:20,720
Speaker 10: We just need to be educated. You know, you're talking

1418
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 10: about fifty year old, sixty year old guys to still

1419
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 10: you know, girl reunion tours, you know, to reintroduce that stuff.

1420
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 10: I can't knock on people trying to put food on

1421
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 10: the table. But my piece is education. Let's educated. If

1422
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:40,759
Speaker 10: it's entertainment, then say it's entertainment. But that entertainment without

1423
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 10: explanation becomes what we call entrainment. You want to do

1424
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 10: it because you think you have to do it. It's

1425
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:50,680
Speaker 10: the only way to be recognized. And brother Nelson, we

1426
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:53,680
Speaker 10: remember when I first came to LA and I was

1427
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 10: at someone the toughest high schools and they said we

1428
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 10: can't have an assembly because you know they're gonna break

1429
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 10: I'll fight it and all those types of things. The

1430
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 10: one thing I never will forget when I broke down

1431
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 10: the similism of this group was wearing red and net

1432
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 10: groups wearing blue. Everybody wants to be a star, and I.

1433
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 1: In the flag you a coach hold, I thought right there,

1434
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 1: and I want you to share that with us. Explain

1435
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:19,760
Speaker 1: that to this audience, because you know, bene off us

1436
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 1: like I'm just learning about why. And you know I

1437
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:24,719
Speaker 1: watched that game with Shadoor Sanders. I saw the interview.

1438
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 1: It went over my head because you know, I guess

1439
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 1: I'm aged out when it comes to that, that kind

1440
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:31,680
Speaker 1: of music and that kind of things, and many of

1441
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:34,800
Speaker 1: our people family members listening this morning are probably the

1442
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 1: same thing. So I want you to explain both of

1443
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:38,560
Speaker 1: those issues when we get back. But we got to

1444
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:40,720
Speaker 1: check the news trafficking weather in that different cities. It's

1445
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:42,559
Speaker 1: twenty three minutes away from the top of our family.

1446
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 1: I guess it's Coach Power and Coach Palell is his

1447
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 1: latest book to hip Hop Hypocrisy When the Lies Sound

1448
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:50,679
Speaker 1: like the Truth. He's a motivational speaker for our young people.

1449
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 4: What are your thoughts?

1450
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 1: You can speak to him at eight hundred four or

1451
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your

1452
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 1: phone calls. After the news trafficking weather that's next. And

1453
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:01,600
Speaker 1: Grand Rising family, thanks for starting this final week of

1454
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five with us on this Monday morning. I

1455
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 1: guess it is Coach Powell also Abari Ghani as well.

1456
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 1: This fourth day of Quanta Cooperative Econology is a responsor

1457
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 1: of Baraghani. Again, is what's going on what's happening or

1458
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 1: what's the news? In SWAYI that's what he means, and

1459
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 1: in our vernacules, what's happening, you know? And their response

1460
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 1: is cooperative economics. As I mentioned, Coach Powell is our guest,

1461
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:23,720
Speaker 1: and coming up later this morning you're going to hear

1462
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:26,680
Speaker 1: from a black politics expert, doctor James Taylor, and later

1463
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:29,559
Speaker 1: this week GREO Professor James Small will be here. Also,

1464
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:32,680
Speaker 1: public enemist Professor Griffild join us, and pan afghanist and

1465
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:36,720
Speaker 1: cultural thinking expert critical thinking experts, you say, Doctor David

1466
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:38,719
Speaker 1: Hornell also join us. So if you are in Baltimore,

1467
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 1: make sure you keep it ready a lot and tight

1468
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:42,719
Speaker 1: on ten ten WLB, or if you're in the DMV

1469
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 1: the Washington, DC metropolitan area around fourteen fifteen WL. I

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01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 1: got to explain that folks. As you know, before we

1471
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 1: talked about the Internet. Before the Internet, only people in

1472
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 1: DC could hear WOL. Right now we've got the whole

1473
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,400
Speaker 1: world and people are checking in thanks to the Internet.

1474
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 1: But let's go back to the coach though, So, Coach,

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01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:02,640
Speaker 1: when we you into LA, this is the peak of

1476
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 1: the crips and bloods, the red and the blue and

1477
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 1: explain that to our young people. So explain that to

1478
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 1: an audience today. What's going on?

1479
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 10: Well, I never will forget that. You guys took me

1480
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 10: to a place called, I believe it was Locked High school,

1481
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 10: and I gave all this crap a brother, when we

1482
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 10: go in here, you can't say this, don't say that,

1483
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 10: you know, et cetera, et cetera. And so we get

1484
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 10: a special session with young men, and the flag just

1485
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 10: happened to be over my shoulder. I said, I helped

1486
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:36,680
Speaker 10: that flag up. I said, what would happen if all

1487
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 10: the red eliminated all the blue and all the blue

1488
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:45,000
Speaker 10: eliminated all the red on this flag? What would be less?

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01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:46,719
Speaker 6: They took a second.

1490
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 8: They said white.

1491
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:51,680
Speaker 10: I said, essentially, you're working on behalf of white supremacy.

1492
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 10: And you could hear a pin drops, I mean, teachers, administrators,

1493
01:20:57,160 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 10: the young people. And we had the young men tie

1494
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 10: their rags together, throw them up on the stage and

1495
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 10: started that whole truth. And that's how I got hooked

1496
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 10: up with Jim Brown because he heard about it and

1497
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 10: he had some initiative going around at the time, and

1498
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:17,520
Speaker 10: I became a member of that. Just a bit of information,

1499
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 10: that's all that they needed was some education on what

1500
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:27,599
Speaker 10: this bottom line was about. And when my earlier caller

1501
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 10: said something about having someone in the industry, I always asked,

1502
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 10: are there duplicating what they see? Are they actually talking

1503
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 10: about what they live? That's a difference. We have more

1504
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 10: active and pretenders. That's living comfortably, talking about living in

1505
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 10: the so called hood. Hood is the abbreviation of the

1506
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 10: word neighborhood. Hood stands for a hustle O they or die.

1507
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:58,000
Speaker 10: It's a polydrome read it backwards, die or a bay

1508
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:02,800
Speaker 10: the hustle you can't win. It's a trap. Why do

1509
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:05,640
Speaker 10: you go buy drugs from a trap house? Don't you

1510
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 10: see the term? It's a trap right in front of

1511
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 10: your face, right in front of your fake So.

1512
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's And let me tell me a coach, because

1513
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 1: I'm glad you shared that with us, because some of

1514
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 1: the folks that the older folks have probably don't understand.

1515
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 1: At the time, the crips and bloods was raging and

1516
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 1: going on each other. That's why they brought you out

1517
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 1: to La to splaind to these young people. But how

1518
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:30,599
Speaker 1: do you know what's going on in their lives? Because

1519
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:33,439
Speaker 1: you mentioned y N and like I mentioned I saw

1520
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:37,839
Speaker 1: the the the Game with Shadoor on Sunday at the interview,

1521
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 1: I didn't pick up on it, and I'm sure some

1522
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 1: people listening to us now I probably didn't didn't pick

1523
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 1: up on this y N thing. How do you you

1524
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 1: vibe into what these young people that talk about, because

1525
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 1: it seems that they speak a different language than us,

1526
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:54,320
Speaker 1: and they got different ideals about different things, and you know,

1527
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:56,600
Speaker 1: let scratch my haird hy n. I didn't pick up

1528
01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 1: that until the Truth tele call from Cleveland mentioned that.

1529
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 1: But how do you get into it? How do you

1530
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 1: understand that the terminology and the language that young people

1531
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 1: are using these days.

1532
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 10: I've always been a decoder. Like I said, I coached

1533
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 10: football and track and field, and when you don't call

1534
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 10: out their players or your strategy, you use a cold language. Obviously,

1535
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:20,599
Speaker 10: you use a gossip. That's the issue that athletes struggle

1536
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 10: with when they transfer schools and stuff like that. You

1537
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:25,799
Speaker 10: have to learn a new playbook. I told you before,

1538
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 10: this is a script. Every script has to be rehearsed,

1539
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:34,080
Speaker 10: and that is the way that I examine things. I

1540
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 10: have people who've been in my audience who anound teachers

1541
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 10: and professions, and they.

1542
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 8: Still call me brother. You might not remember me.

1543
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 10: You came to Wisconsin back in nineteen whatever, you know,

1544
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 10: and I want to know you still lecturing or whatever.

1545
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 10: I love to get you on my campus. I just

1546
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 10: brought Professor Grift in last year for our black history

1547
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:57,599
Speaker 10: program and he killed it. Still relevant to this day

1548
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:01,400
Speaker 10: of dropping them truth buns, I mean, and they were

1549
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:05,519
Speaker 10: sitting there like, you know, mouth wide open. So yeah,

1550
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:08,719
Speaker 10: it's just it's it's someone has examined. That's the problem,

1551
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 10: even sociologists and psychologists who don't have enough people examining

1552
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:14,680
Speaker 10: what is being projected.

1553
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 5: You know.

1554
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 10: They people call me all the time, these young people

1555
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:21,000
Speaker 10: in school, they have never seen anything.

1556
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 11: Like or whatever.

1557
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 10: Yes you have, yes you have. They got the same

1558
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 10: DNA that their parents and their family members have had.

1559
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 10: But you see it more readily now because we have

1560
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:35,880
Speaker 10: means to the Internet, social media and things like that,

1561
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:39,599
Speaker 10: and it gets younger and younger in every generation. There

1562
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 10: is a symbolic general sideal movement taking place amongst the culture,

1563
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 10: where therefore, as Malcolm X said, they would pay us

1564
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 10: to kill us just to say it was one of us.

1565
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:57,799
Speaker 10: Think about that. None of that music talks about hurting

1566
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 10: or eliminating no other rates of people, but the people

1567
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 10: who are.

1568
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 8: Saying it.

1569
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 10: There.

1570
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:07,639
Speaker 8: If you're such against who are.

1571
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:10,639
Speaker 10: You paying taxes to? Because you're paying for that check

1572
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 10: that comes in, So you're not against that. Your pretender

1573
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:15,920
Speaker 10: wouldn't have.

1574
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 14: To call it for what it is.

1575
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 1: And coach, you're not away from the top. And when

1576
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:24,439
Speaker 1: you say this to these young people, what's their reaction?

1577
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 4: Are they?

1578
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:28,920
Speaker 1: They say, oh, cool and stay with it, or they

1579
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 1: stay with what they know, or because it's comfortable and

1580
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 1: it's easier for them, which which way do they go?

1581
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:39,679
Speaker 10: Some some of it is a letter until they mature.

1582
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:46,320
Speaker 10: So you have to understand. Money is the red cellow

1583
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:51,800
Speaker 10: that never lose. So like the first caller, if people

1584
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 10: are earning their income from that, their perspective is you

1585
01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:58,559
Speaker 10: a hater because I'm revealing the.

1586
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:00,560
Speaker 8: Game Gang g E.

1587
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:06,960
Speaker 10: Stanci get arrested, manipulated and eliminated. Oh, they say it's

1588
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 10: a game, get arrested, manipulated and emily and eliminate it.

1589
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 10: That's mass incarceration. You got two of the leading hip

1590
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:21,560
Speaker 10: hop artists now service slificant times in jail for what

1591
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 10: the sol v theory that I talked about, sex wealth

1592
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 10: addiction and violence.

1593
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 9: It all makes sense once.

1594
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 10: You study it, but you're taught not to study it.

1595
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 10: You're taught to enjoy it, to indulge in it.

1596
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know.

1597
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:43,599
Speaker 1: Let me jump in here eight away from the top down. Couse,

1598
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:46,679
Speaker 1: you're referencing Diddy. What's the difference between what what Diddy's

1599
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 1: doing now and what Snoop is doing? She Snoop Snoops

1600
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:53,760
Speaker 1: making money and a multimillion are does that? Going on

1601
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:56,560
Speaker 1: the fact that the people who listen and love his

1602
01:26:56,720 --> 01:26:59,439
Speaker 1: music that they can this is something they can aspire

1603
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 1: to do. They anything, they can reach the levels and

1604
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 1: be accepted by a wider society because those of us

1605
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 1: know from Long Beach and all his background, All of

1606
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:11,120
Speaker 1: a sudden, now that's been whitewashed, the coach and they

1607
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:14,479
Speaker 1: put him on some sort of pedestal for our young people.

1608
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:18,720
Speaker 10: Explain that issue for us, Well, well, I hate to

1609
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:22,799
Speaker 10: meet your names. But one of them recognized the period

1610
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:26,840
Speaker 10: and the other one didn't see the comma. In other words,

1611
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:31,519
Speaker 10: appear in the stops seats rest. The commists stopped and

1612
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 10: ponder the latter of those two men that you mentioned

1613
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 10: use the comma theory. They stopped and say, man, I

1614
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 10: can't do this forever. How do I ingest my money

1615
01:27:41,439 --> 01:27:46,880
Speaker 10: and grow and change my image? The other thought superiorism,

1616
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 10: I can do this, Can nobody touch me? Et cetera,

1617
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 10: et cetera. And that's the difference. Some people know when

1618
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:58,800
Speaker 10: to pump the brakes of us don't. But notice they

1619
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:01,680
Speaker 10: will go get those heights, but they won't go get

1620
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 10: a trained sociologists, psychologist, our truth teller, et cetera, et cetera,

1621
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 10: because they have to keep that income coming in. They

1622
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:14,960
Speaker 10: have to keep it generates that money. And the owners

1623
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:17,760
Speaker 10: of those of those labels and things like that, where

1624
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:21,559
Speaker 10: do they send their money to? You know, it gets

1625
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 10: It's got to be real clear, brother, you know that

1626
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:26,719
Speaker 10: you're just in the middle.

1627
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:27,719
Speaker 8: You being used.

1628
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 10: Your talent is being used until we own the labels,

1629
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 10: until we own the music, things like that. Until you

1630
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:37,720
Speaker 10: own the genre, it goes crazy. I mean, you look

1631
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:40,160
Speaker 10: at what's going on between female rappers.

1632
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:40,360
Speaker 9: Now.

1633
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 10: I always said that they never have more than a

1634
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:48,400
Speaker 10: handful of female rappers the stress that message. But you

1635
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 10: got them going back and forth doing the same thing.

1636
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:55,599
Speaker 10: And our young ladies. Now, you know, when you sit

1637
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 10: in the classroom with me and you see some of

1638
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 10: the things and the issues that these students come in with.

1639
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:03,880
Speaker 10: You said, this is orchestrated. No one wakes up that

1640
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:04,960
Speaker 10: angry every morning.

1641
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 9: No one.

1642
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:12,760
Speaker 10: This is you know, it's it's unhealthy. But hey, that's

1643
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 10: that's how. It's scripted. That's how.

1644
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:17,040
Speaker 1: But well, let me jump in again, coach five away

1645
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 1: from the time of that anger. If they wake up

1646
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 1: with that anger is internalized and their anger is pushed

1647
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:24,840
Speaker 1: against somebody who looks like them, why not take that

1648
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:27,760
Speaker 1: anger against the system? Why can't they do that? Or

1649
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:29,000
Speaker 1: they've been programmed not.

1650
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:29,479
Speaker 6: To do that?

1651
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:33,880
Speaker 10: You comfort the system has you consist that if you

1652
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:37,640
Speaker 10: say something, I'll take food off your table. On a

1653
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 10: subconscious and conscious level, absolutely, how do you go from

1654
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:47,240
Speaker 10: talking about having a wet you know what and you're

1655
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:49,920
Speaker 10: sitting on the stage talking to a bunch of conservitives.

1656
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 10: How does that happen? It's scripted. It contracts your you

1657
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:59,360
Speaker 10: will do what I tell you to do. You don't

1658
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 10: want to move of this neighborhood that you're in now,

1659
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:05,439
Speaker 10: the suburb and go back to the h oo d

1660
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:12,720
Speaker 10: the hood. So people are making choices to preserve their

1661
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:13,720
Speaker 10: own lifestyles.

1662
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 1: So you're saying, basically saying, we shouldn't be surprised and

1663
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:18,720
Speaker 1: we see these things come down.

1664
01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:22,200
Speaker 10: Absolutely no, it's a script and it only gets worse,

1665
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:25,719
Speaker 10: and it's soon and soon as things change. The whole

1666
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:28,920
Speaker 10: issue of you remember when the so called crypton blood

1667
01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:31,880
Speaker 10: on the West coast and it's spread across the country.

1668
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:34,720
Speaker 10: I mean, I'm in a little bitty Dayton, Ohiawa at

1669
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 10: the time. How did we get Krypston blood?

1670
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:38,479
Speaker 6: That was media?

1671
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:43,840
Speaker 10: That's called psycho media, perpetrator disorder. It is all again.

1672
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:46,160
Speaker 10: You keep hearing me say the worstcript. It's a plan,

1673
01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 10: it's a blueprint. It's a game plan, period, all right?

1674
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:53,759
Speaker 1: Cool I though right there, Coach, we gotta step aside

1675
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 1: for a fit. We gotta check the traffic and weather

1676
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:57,000
Speaker 1: at different cities. How let you finish your thought on

1677
01:30:57,040 --> 01:30:59,439
Speaker 1: the other side, family, you too can join this discussion

1678
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 1: with Coach. I will reach out to us at eight

1679
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:04,920
Speaker 1: hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll

1680
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 1: take your phone calls after the trafficking weather that's next

1681
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:09,720
Speaker 1: and Grand Rising family, thanks for staying with us on

1682
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 1: this Monday morning here the last week of twenty twenty five.

1683
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 1: I guess there is Black politics expert doctor James Taylor.

1684
01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:17,680
Speaker 1: Before we left for the break, it was telling us

1685
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:21,720
Speaker 1: about well singled out Nicki Minach. But this administration is

1686
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:24,559
Speaker 1: usually religion as a tool and not just all religions,

1687
01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:28,120
Speaker 1: just Christianity, and that's why they Nicki Miax spoke on

1688
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 1: their behalf of the United Nations condemning the attacks on

1689
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:35,639
Speaker 1: Nigeria and Christians. And we've seen some of the Maga

1690
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:37,840
Speaker 1: folks that we talked earlier about the Black Maga. They

1691
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:41,680
Speaker 1: joined the group because they're opposed to abortions anything. They

1692
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:47,320
Speaker 1: think that this particular administration likes Christians, not Muslims or

1693
01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:50,760
Speaker 1: any other religion. They've only shared their contempt for any

1694
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:53,599
Speaker 1: other religion other than Christianity. So, doctor Taylor, how much

1695
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:56,599
Speaker 1: this is are people being used to think of they

1696
01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 1: supporting this particular administration because of Christianity?

1697
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:05,200
Speaker 9: Because I think that's the basic Black Maga support is

1698
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:09,519
Speaker 9: mainly Black Evangelical. There's a lot of Black Christians who

1699
01:32:09,560 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 9: are ignorant and they believe in the Cross first and

1700
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:16,320
Speaker 9: their race is not important to them. I've been around

1701
01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:19,519
Speaker 9: that dumb mentality my whole life, where you go to

1702
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:22,759
Speaker 9: church and you know, if the preachers say anything political,

1703
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:25,799
Speaker 9: somebody get upset and want to leave the church because

1704
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:29,760
Speaker 9: he talk on politics. As if life isn't political, existence

1705
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 9: is political. You cannot engage in politics. When you wake

1706
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:36,439
Speaker 9: up and pay your bills, you engaging in politics. But

1707
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:39,800
Speaker 9: I want to get back on Nicki and Minajs, and

1708
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:42,160
Speaker 9: I really don't want to call it Nicki Minaj. One

1709
01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:46,000
Speaker 9: of my things of late is to call uh Curtis

1710
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:49,040
Speaker 9: Jackson Curtis Jackson and not fifty cent, to call Shawn

1711
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:52,040
Speaker 9: Combs Shawing Comb's and not puff Daddy or Diddy. To

1712
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:56,000
Speaker 9: call Nicki Minaj's anaka petty because she is petty, and

1713
01:32:56,280 --> 01:32:59,000
Speaker 9: not call her Nicki Minajs. We need to we need

1714
01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 9: to disrollto this how do I say this, defrock to

1715
01:33:03,479 --> 01:33:07,880
Speaker 9: defroc meaning take We need to take the cloth away

1716
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:10,240
Speaker 9: from the priests as a metaphor. Is what I mean

1717
01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:12,760
Speaker 9: when I say defract, It means to this robe, to

1718
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:16,840
Speaker 9: take away your your your religious cloth. And that's what

1719
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:19,800
Speaker 9: we need to do. The illusion that these celebrities are

1720
01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:26,679
Speaker 9: real people in power. Nicki Minaj is forty four years old.

1721
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:30,880
Speaker 9: A bunch of you know, there's two generations of younger

1722
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:33,519
Speaker 9: women coming up behind her. There was a bunch of

1723
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:41,960
Speaker 9: great women rappers, Roxanne Shante and you know, Queen Latifa

1724
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:46,160
Speaker 9: and MC light and the whole generation of women rappers

1725
01:33:46,479 --> 01:33:51,479
Speaker 9: who broke the ceiling first. And Nicki Minaj has no

1726
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:54,760
Speaker 9: loyalty to anything Black American. She's just used us from

1727
01:33:54,840 --> 01:33:59,320
Speaker 9: day one. Nicki has never loved Black people. She loves Trinidadians,

1728
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:03,000
Speaker 9: but she don't love Black Americans. We are her market,

1729
01:34:03,479 --> 01:34:06,760
Speaker 9: but we ain't her people. We're her market, but we're

1730
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:09,400
Speaker 9: not her people. And she let us know when that

1731
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:11,920
Speaker 9: black I mean. You have to understand the evil that

1732
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:16,280
Speaker 9: she did recently. She basically gave Trump cover to kill

1733
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:20,599
Speaker 9: hundreds of black people in Nigeria in a place where

1734
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 9: there was no Vokoharam or no al Qaeda or no

1735
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:33,400
Speaker 9: Jihadis in a little rural Nigerian place. We're not talking Lagos, right.

1736
01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:36,360
Speaker 9: So Nicki Minaj got up there and co signed on

1737
01:34:36,479 --> 01:34:41,479
Speaker 9: this and smiled and called for intervention and then Donald

1738
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:44,679
Speaker 9: Trump bombs it. We ain't see no results, We don't

1739
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:47,120
Speaker 9: know how bad the damage is. We just know hundreds

1740
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:50,120
Speaker 9: of black people and Africans were killed. And Nicki Minad

1741
01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 9: got out the next day and put on her blonde

1742
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:57,479
Speaker 9: wig and her makeup and moved on. And this is

1743
01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:01,640
Speaker 9: the tragedy. A lot of these celebrities are speaking into politics,

1744
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:08,160
Speaker 9: playing trying to be a part of the internet viral

1745
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:14,400
Speaker 9: phenomena every day. You don't think Nicki Mina's contemplated this

1746
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:17,759
Speaker 9: is gonna go viral. When I'm on stage with Charlie

1747
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:19,840
Speaker 9: Kirk's white this is gonna go all over the world.

1748
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:23,840
Speaker 9: And Nicki has zero loyalty to Black Americans. Car I'm

1749
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:27,439
Speaker 9: not into idots or the foundation of Black Americans, and

1750
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:30,600
Speaker 9: I know you aren't either, but here in moments like this,

1751
01:35:31,320 --> 01:35:33,280
Speaker 9: this is when I agree with them. When you've got

1752
01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 9: these immigrant negroes, and they have been about three to

1753
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:39,960
Speaker 9: six million who've entered this country, maybe about eight million

1754
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:44,960
Speaker 9: now since nineteen sixty five, they're constantly trying to prove,

1755
01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:49,559
Speaker 9: like Zoe South downa, there's another black, there's other blacks here,

1756
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:52,880
Speaker 9: and we're not Black Americans now. Now, these pigs, I'm

1757
01:35:52,920 --> 01:35:55,920
Speaker 9: calling them pigs because we had to knock down every

1758
01:35:56,120 --> 01:36:03,320
Speaker 9: barrier that they constructed. Felt that Asians and Arabs and

1759
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:10,599
Speaker 9: gays all could break through every group in America, including

1760
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:14,880
Speaker 9: Indians owns a deep debt to Black America because we

1761
01:36:15,080 --> 01:36:19,479
Speaker 9: had fought for everybody. And here you got Nicki Minaj

1762
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:23,879
Speaker 9: who has no loyalty to the Black South, no loyalty

1763
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:33,599
Speaker 9: to to ancestors who were sharecroppers who migrated, who found

1764
01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:36,960
Speaker 9: places wherever they went, the white man whenever. When six

1765
01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:39,640
Speaker 9: million black people left the South between World War One

1766
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:42,680
Speaker 9: and World War Two, wherever we landed, that's what we

1767
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:45,920
Speaker 9: had to fight. After we got there. We had to

1768
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:49,200
Speaker 9: set up civil rights movements all over America, and we

1769
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:53,320
Speaker 9: broke through barriers, and then you got these freeloading and

1770
01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:57,800
Speaker 9: then the academic relationship is called free riders. But these

1771
01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:01,720
Speaker 9: free riders are these freeloader who are attached to our

1772
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:05,519
Speaker 9: movements and then become opportunistic. And this is what Ronald

1773
01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:09,880
Speaker 9: Walters said at Howard University and University of Maryland when

1774
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:13,320
Speaker 9: he was still alive, the great Black political scientists. He

1775
01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:16,400
Speaker 9: said that the left had already been dominated by Jesse

1776
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:21,400
Speaker 9: and al Sharpton for years, so there was no room

1777
01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:25,880
Speaker 9: for these voices because Colin Jesse dominated them and Fara

1778
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:28,640
Speaker 9: Khan from the eighties up until the late you know,

1779
01:37:28,760 --> 01:37:33,880
Speaker 9: to Lake mid to late nineties. So Ron Walter said

1780
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:36,200
Speaker 9: there was going to be an emergent element of black

1781
01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:41,439
Speaker 9: people who were constantly attached to Reaganism. There was a

1782
01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:45,040
Speaker 9: guy named Samuel Riley Pierce. If you look up Samuel

1783
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:49,000
Speaker 9: Riley Pierce, he was the former Secretary of Housing a

1784
01:37:49,120 --> 01:37:53,880
Speaker 9: Hood and got prosecuted under Reagan for crimes. But he's

1785
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:56,960
Speaker 9: from my hometown in Glencoe, Long Island, New York, where

1786
01:37:56,960 --> 01:37:59,600
Speaker 9: I was born and raised. So I'm saying to you

1787
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:02,919
Speaker 9: the most well known black Reagan Night other than Clarence

1788
01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:08,599
Speaker 9: Tom Clarence Thomas, was Samuel Riley Pearce. And Samuel Riley

1789
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:13,840
Speaker 9: Pears was a Black Conservative. There's a deep strain of

1790
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:16,960
Speaker 9: black conservativism in our culture that does go back to

1791
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:25,040
Speaker 9: the church. But black power disabused us of black religion.

1792
01:38:25,160 --> 01:38:28,320
Speaker 9: I mean, in my book on Black Nationalism, I explained

1793
01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:32,519
Speaker 9: that black power was part of the secularization process where,

1794
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:36,960
Speaker 9: for example, the Nation of Islam embracest religion and Malcolm,

1795
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:41,080
Speaker 9: but the Panthers come after them, and they basically are

1796
01:38:41,240 --> 01:38:45,080
Speaker 9: Malcolm without the Nation of Islam's religion. In other words,

1797
01:38:45,120 --> 01:38:49,160
Speaker 9: the Nation of Islam used Islam, but the Black Panthers

1798
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:52,479
Speaker 9: were nothing but the Second Coming of the Nation of Islam.

1799
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:56,280
Speaker 9: They just rinded it of its religious element, even though

1800
01:38:56,360 --> 01:39:00,479
Speaker 9: Huey Newton was deeply religious. They shed the movement logically

1801
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:05,240
Speaker 9: and philosophically of Islam per se. If you were going

1802
01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:06,960
Speaker 9: to be a Muslim, that was on your own, but

1803
01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:10,000
Speaker 9: not through the organization. The Panthers did have their own

1804
01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 9: church called the Son of Man Son of Man Temple,

1805
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:16,479
Speaker 9: that's the name of the Black Panther Party church. But

1806
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:21,360
Speaker 9: they didn't prioritize religion philosophically or ideologically. And when they

1807
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:27,080
Speaker 9: broke with Black Power, they shed Black religion as the

1808
01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:31,400
Speaker 9: main variable that drove our movements like King and Garby

1809
01:39:31,680 --> 01:39:37,000
Speaker 9: and Malcolm. So it's more like Dubois who was an atheist,

1810
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:41,560
Speaker 9: or Frederick Douglas who was an atheist, or Book of

1811
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:46,200
Speaker 9: Washington who was agnostic. What I'm saying is Black power

1812
01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:51,360
Speaker 9: secularized Black America and made us less dependent on religiosity

1813
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:55,880
Speaker 9: to be to organize us as our organizing principle. And

1814
01:39:56,200 --> 01:40:03,360
Speaker 9: and now what you have is us we have. We

1815
01:40:03,479 --> 01:40:07,280
Speaker 9: still call ourselves a race, we still call ourselves a people,

1816
01:40:07,720 --> 01:40:11,400
Speaker 9: but we're like a broken up family who still are

1817
01:40:11,439 --> 01:40:14,080
Speaker 9: related to each other, but don't have nothing to do

1818
01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:17,960
Speaker 9: with each other. Because you know, today Kodak Black can

1819
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:20,280
Speaker 9: go on TV and say Donald Trump is a great person,

1820
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:24,960
Speaker 9: just like Nicki Minaj did, right, and James Taylor could

1821
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:27,160
Speaker 9: be on the Call Notting Show and say Donald Trump

1822
01:40:27,280 --> 01:40:31,919
Speaker 9: is not great. But who they gonna hear Kodak Black? Right, So, Malcolm,

1823
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:36,639
Speaker 9: if you remember make clear that we as black people

1824
01:40:36,680 --> 01:40:40,960
Speaker 9: should not be listening to celebrities for our intellectual and

1825
01:40:41,160 --> 01:40:45,960
Speaker 9: philosophical development. We should be going to the sources like

1826
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:49,599
Speaker 9: James Baldwin. We should be reading James Baldwin right now,

1827
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:52,400
Speaker 9: because Baldwin is the best voice for right now, because

1828
01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:55,760
Speaker 9: he knows it's not us in crisis. It's white folks

1829
01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:59,320
Speaker 9: that are in crisis. They're in crisis. We're not in crisis.

1830
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:04,800
Speaker 9: They in every state in America. We're not dying, Carl.

1831
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:09,439
Speaker 9: But in seventy five years, white people are going to

1832
01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:13,760
Speaker 9: be a minority and they know it. So what they're

1833
01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:16,680
Speaker 9: doing right now is criminal. They're trying to racially take

1834
01:41:16,720 --> 01:41:20,639
Speaker 9: over America and set up a white utap a white

1835
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:25,759
Speaker 9: system run system, a South African apartheid system. Basically Elon

1836
01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:29,520
Speaker 9: Musk and Trump to honor their racist daddies and granddaddies

1837
01:41:29,720 --> 01:41:34,519
Speaker 9: are trying to reassert apartheid in America. And Nicki Minaj's

1838
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:41,679
Speaker 9: co signed it. Kodak Black Snoop Dogg of the Congressman MacDonald,

1839
01:41:42,200 --> 01:41:49,839
Speaker 9: Nellie the Rapper, Sakwan Barkley, Kansas Owens, Tim Scott, Diamond

1840
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:56,400
Speaker 9: and Silk, whichever one's still living, Stacy Dash, Clarence Thomas,

1841
01:41:57,160 --> 01:42:01,840
Speaker 9: fifty cent Herman, you know we're you know they had

1842
01:42:01,880 --> 01:42:08,000
Speaker 9: Herman King right, Alma Rosa, Steve Harvey, all of these

1843
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:11,439
Speaker 9: people let themselves be used. And what's deep is called

1844
01:42:12,160 --> 01:42:14,799
Speaker 9: if you go back in our history enough, there's always

1845
01:42:14,920 --> 01:42:18,320
Speaker 9: been that Strand there's a book called Black Judas that

1846
01:42:18,439 --> 01:42:22,439
Speaker 9: I've mentioned on your show years ago, Black Judas. It's

1847
01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:26,920
Speaker 9: a book on William Hannibal Thomas. And this was the

1848
01:42:27,040 --> 01:42:31,680
Speaker 9: most self hating Negro in history. He hated us so

1849
01:42:31,880 --> 01:42:35,440
Speaker 9: much he wrote a book about it, and he constantly

1850
01:42:37,600 --> 01:42:46,559
Speaker 9: demeaned and black culture, black aesthetics, black music, black talk,

1851
01:42:47,240 --> 01:42:50,360
Speaker 9: and he put us down. Now, when black people like

1852
01:42:50,439 --> 01:42:54,240
Speaker 9: this let themselves be used, they might get rewarded temporarily,

1853
01:42:55,160 --> 01:42:57,439
Speaker 9: but in the end, you got to come back home.

1854
01:42:57,960 --> 01:42:59,760
Speaker 9: And when you try to come back home. Ain't nobody

1855
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:02,240
Speaker 9: gonna be here waiting for you? And so Nicki Minaj

1856
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:06,280
Speaker 9: is learning the hard way that the same way Karen Belly,

1857
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:10,160
Speaker 9: Oh is it Karen Belly ray? I think her name

1858
01:43:10,280 --> 01:43:12,519
Speaker 9: is the singer now she was new and young and

1859
01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:16,720
Speaker 9: stupid and supported Trump in twenty fifteen, and she's never

1860
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:20,720
Speaker 9: fully recovered. Nicki Minaj has more of a cachet, right,

1861
01:43:21,400 --> 01:43:25,719
Speaker 9: And the question is real Black America allowed Nicki Minaji

1862
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:26,439
Speaker 9: getting away with this?

1863
01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:27,840
Speaker 4: All right?

1864
01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:29,439
Speaker 1: And hold up though there because we'll come break and

1865
01:43:29,479 --> 01:43:30,920
Speaker 1: we got some folks already want to talk to you

1866
01:43:30,920 --> 01:43:33,759
Speaker 1: about Nicki Minaj. Let's go to Kareem first. He's online

1867
01:43:33,800 --> 01:43:36,960
Speaker 1: one calling from Baltimore, Grand Rising. Kareem, your question for

1868
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:38,400
Speaker 1: doctor Taylor, your comment.

1869
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:44,200
Speaker 6: Hey, peace, As far as Nicki Minaj is concerned, were

1870
01:43:44,240 --> 01:43:49,720
Speaker 6: really all of them? They are all avagus and that

1871
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:53,559
Speaker 6: they are looking for something. When we talk about Nicki Minaj,

1872
01:43:53,680 --> 01:43:58,600
Speaker 6: Nicki Minaj's husband is up for is a pedophile. And

1873
01:43:58,680 --> 01:44:01,160
Speaker 6: I hate to say it, but that she trying to

1874
01:44:01,200 --> 01:44:03,080
Speaker 6: get him out of trouble. She's trying to get her

1875
01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:06,920
Speaker 6: people out of trouble. Same thing with Kim Kardashian where

1876
01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:13,160
Speaker 6: she did her thing. They are looking for some type

1877
01:44:13,240 --> 01:44:17,479
Speaker 6: of co collaboration that will benefit them. So all of

1878
01:44:17,560 --> 01:44:20,040
Speaker 6: the people that you mean, Clarence Thomas, all of those

1879
01:44:20,120 --> 01:44:23,519
Speaker 6: people have had some type of personal benefit. Yeah, they do.

1880
01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:28,840
Speaker 6: They do hate themselves, which in turn turns into us

1881
01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:32,879
Speaker 6: being hated. But it is more so of a selfish

1882
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:37,000
Speaker 6: type of mentality, a white mentality, I would say that

1883
01:44:37,520 --> 01:44:42,760
Speaker 6: causes them to have that type of ideology or way

1884
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:45,920
Speaker 6: of accides. There's a book called The Rape of the Mind.

1885
01:44:46,479 --> 01:44:49,160
Speaker 6: You might have heard of. It is by Marillow. It

1886
01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:51,400
Speaker 6: was written in nineteen sixty four. He is the guy

1887
01:44:51,439 --> 01:44:55,200
Speaker 6: who coins menticide. That's where we suffer from. We suffer

1888
01:44:55,280 --> 01:45:01,280
Speaker 6: from mentoricide. US African Americans, black people throughout the world

1889
01:45:01,720 --> 01:45:04,679
Speaker 6: differ from that because when you try to go into

1890
01:45:04,720 --> 01:45:09,240
Speaker 6: another culture and identify with those people to the demise

1891
01:45:09,320 --> 01:45:12,080
Speaker 6: of yours, that's what you're committing. And we need to

1892
01:45:12,120 --> 01:45:14,360
Speaker 6: stop that. We need to recognize it. But read more,

1893
01:45:14,520 --> 01:45:18,240
Speaker 6: study more. James Baldwin is the truth. Thank you got

1894
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:18,719
Speaker 6: the tailor?

1895
01:45:19,240 --> 01:45:22,519
Speaker 9: Thank you? I want to thank you. I wasn't aware

1896
01:45:22,520 --> 01:45:23,800
Speaker 9: of that book, so I just wrote it down. I

1897
01:45:23,880 --> 01:45:26,120
Speaker 9: look it up and and and try to, you know,

1898
01:45:26,200 --> 01:45:29,160
Speaker 9: try to check it out. So I appreciate the reference

1899
01:45:29,720 --> 01:45:30,639
Speaker 9: the rape of the mind.

1900
01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:34,880
Speaker 6: He has a portion that cause is talking about the cutting,

1901
01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:38,800
Speaker 6: the father cutting thembilical cord, and it's all about what

1902
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:42,040
Speaker 6: we deal with today. If people read that book, we

1903
01:45:42,120 --> 01:45:45,160
Speaker 6: would either suffer less from what we suffer from our

1904
01:45:45,240 --> 01:45:49,280
Speaker 6: people because it's all about that. Thank you, y'all have

1905
01:45:49,400 --> 01:45:51,240
Speaker 6: a good work. Please, thank you.

1906
01:45:52,520 --> 01:45:55,760
Speaker 9: So you know, Carl Honor Capetty and I'm gonna keep

1907
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:58,759
Speaker 9: calling Honor Capetti because people don't even know Nicki Mina's

1908
01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:02,800
Speaker 9: real name. He sold out, but actually he didn't really

1909
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:06,920
Speaker 9: sell out. I'm saying two contradictory things. So let me

1910
01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:09,439
Speaker 9: correct myself. She didn't sell out. She's being who she

1911
01:46:09,520 --> 01:46:13,000
Speaker 9: always has been. She's never loved Black America and she's

1912
01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:16,799
Speaker 9: always been around us and like a white person siphoned

1913
01:46:16,840 --> 01:46:19,719
Speaker 9: off of our and blood, sucked off of our culture

1914
01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:24,840
Speaker 9: and uses our culture. But what if Nicki Minaj said

1915
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:32,840
Speaker 9: to uplist black people right as high a profile as

1916
01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:35,800
Speaker 9: what she just did recently. I mean that was a

1917
01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:41,360
Speaker 9: that was Uncle Tom. We need to vindicate Uncle Tom

1918
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:45,200
Speaker 9: was killed in the book because he would not sell

1919
01:46:45,479 --> 01:46:50,559
Speaker 9: out his family to Simon Lagree, the old undertaker, who

1920
01:46:50,720 --> 01:46:53,719
Speaker 9: beats him to death. And in the book as he's dying,

1921
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:57,960
Speaker 9: the last words of Uncle Tom is you poor, miserable fool.

1922
01:46:58,920 --> 01:47:00,800
Speaker 9: That's what he said to the white man that killed him,

1923
01:47:01,640 --> 01:47:03,720
Speaker 9: and he killed him because they would not sell out.

1924
01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:07,680
Speaker 9: It was only during the area of Garbyism in a

1925
01:47:07,760 --> 01:47:10,200
Speaker 9: new necro movement where they wanted to break from the

1926
01:47:10,280 --> 01:47:13,000
Speaker 9: image of being Uncle Tom, just like black folk in

1927
01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:15,960
Speaker 9: the nineties and two thousands had the written large image

1928
01:47:16,040 --> 01:47:19,839
Speaker 9: of thug life that applied to our general youth across

1929
01:47:19,880 --> 01:47:25,040
Speaker 9: the country. Uncle Tom applied to all black people. We

1930
01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:31,280
Speaker 9: were considered Christian, non violent, hard working and then garby

1931
01:47:31,479 --> 01:47:33,200
Speaker 9: Ism after World War and hull lead all.

1932
01:47:33,120 --> 01:47:34,800
Speaker 1: Right there at doctor, I'll let you pick it up.

1933
01:47:34,840 --> 01:47:36,200
Speaker 1: On the other side, we got a step aside for

1934
01:47:36,240 --> 01:47:38,600
Speaker 1: a few moments here. Family, you two can join our

1935
01:47:38,640 --> 01:47:41,120
Speaker 1: conversation with doctor James Taylor. Reach out to us at

1936
01:47:41,160 --> 01:47:44,240
Speaker 1: eight hundred four to five to zero seventy eight seventy

1937
01:47:44,280 --> 01:47:46,280
Speaker 1: six and we'll take you a phone calls next and

1938
01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:48,439
Speaker 1: Grant Rising family, thanks for staying with us on this

1939
01:47:49,160 --> 01:47:51,640
Speaker 1: Monday morning, this last week of twenty twenty five. I

1940
01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:54,960
Speaker 1: guess his doctor James Taylor. Doctor Taylor's a political science professor,

1941
01:47:55,200 --> 01:47:57,120
Speaker 1: teachers at the University of San Francisco, and we'll talk

1942
01:47:57,120 --> 01:48:01,920
Speaker 1: about San Francisco Mowan Telly because they passed the reparations bill. Also,

1943
01:48:02,200 --> 01:48:05,280
Speaker 1: he's a black politics expert. Before we go back to you, though,

1944
01:48:05,360 --> 01:48:06,960
Speaker 1: let me just say first, I got to a shout

1945
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:10,599
Speaker 1: out to Chairman Fred and Attorney and Kechi Taifa. Both

1946
01:48:10,640 --> 01:48:13,240
Speaker 1: of them are celebrating birthdays today. This is their Earth Day.

1947
01:48:13,240 --> 01:48:15,479
Speaker 1: If you know either one of them, Chairman Fred or

1948
01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:18,320
Speaker 1: Attorney and Keichi, just shout them out and tell them

1949
01:48:18,360 --> 01:48:21,000
Speaker 1: happy birthday. And also later this week you're gonna hear

1950
01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:23,880
Speaker 1: from gre O Professor James Small will be here, public

1951
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:27,240
Speaker 1: enemist Professor Griffulich join us, and pan Afganist and cultural

1952
01:48:27,320 --> 01:48:30,800
Speaker 1: thinking expert doctor David Horne will also be here. So

1953
01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:32,599
Speaker 1: if you're in Baltimore, make sure you keep you ready,

1954
01:48:32,720 --> 01:48:35,320
Speaker 1: locked and tight on ten ten WLB or if you're

1955
01:48:35,320 --> 01:48:38,160
Speaker 1: in the DMV around fourteen fifty WL so doct tell

1956
01:48:38,200 --> 01:48:39,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you finish your thought. And they got

1957
01:48:39,479 --> 01:48:40,800
Speaker 1: a bunch of folks got questions for you.

1958
01:48:41,240 --> 01:48:43,400
Speaker 9: Well, It's simply that most black people don't know that

1959
01:48:43,640 --> 01:48:47,639
Speaker 9: Uncle Tom was really a man named Josiah Henson. Josiah

1960
01:48:47,680 --> 01:48:51,200
Speaker 9: Henson h n Son who ends up. He was real

1961
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:54,400
Speaker 9: quickly in Kentucky and he had a bunch of slaves

1962
01:48:54,439 --> 01:48:56,800
Speaker 9: in his charge. He made a mistake and went to

1963
01:48:56,920 --> 01:48:59,920
Speaker 9: Ohio where they became free, and he stupidly took a

1964
01:49:00,120 --> 01:49:04,200
Speaker 9: back to Kentucky and his master beat him. Josiah eventually

1965
01:49:05,080 --> 01:49:08,400
Speaker 9: got his freedom and moved to Vancouver, British Columbia, and

1966
01:49:08,479 --> 01:49:10,599
Speaker 9: went up there to meet with a black nationalist woman

1967
01:49:10,720 --> 01:49:13,760
Speaker 9: named Mary Shad Carry. This is in my book on

1968
01:49:13,880 --> 01:49:19,000
Speaker 9: Black nationalism. And when he gets there, Uncle Tom Josiah Henson,

1969
01:49:19,479 --> 01:49:21,960
Speaker 9: the guy who Harriet Beeches Stow based the book on,

1970
01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:24,320
Speaker 9: spent the rest of his life trying to fight for

1971
01:49:24,400 --> 01:49:28,200
Speaker 9: black rights. After he brought slaves back into slavery, after

1972
01:49:28,200 --> 01:49:31,560
Speaker 9: he brought black people back into slavery, after he mistakenly

1973
01:49:31,680 --> 01:49:37,480
Speaker 9: took him to Ohio. But Uncle Tom was not considered

1974
01:49:37,680 --> 01:49:43,320
Speaker 9: a sellout until Garvyism, with the new Negro broke from Garvyism.

1975
01:49:43,479 --> 01:49:46,479
Speaker 9: I'm from Uncle Tom. What I'm saying is Uncle Tom

1976
01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:51,720
Speaker 9: image was a Christian image of docile non threatening, asexual

1977
01:49:51,880 --> 01:49:56,280
Speaker 9: black people. And I'm saying that garvyism. The word new

1978
01:49:56,439 --> 01:50:00,920
Speaker 9: Negro is a break from Uncle Tom. So new Negro

1979
01:50:01,080 --> 01:50:04,240
Speaker 9: really is saying no more Uncle Tom. But what I'm

1980
01:50:04,280 --> 01:50:07,000
Speaker 9: trying to do is rescue Uncle Tom. In our narrative,

1981
01:50:07,240 --> 01:50:09,880
Speaker 9: and understand, Uncle Tom wasn't no sellout. It was a

1982
01:50:09,920 --> 01:50:13,360
Speaker 9: political choice that Garby isn't made to make him a

1983
01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:17,080
Speaker 9: sellout in the popular narrative. But in reality is zip.

1984
01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:21,360
Speaker 12: Kun z i p kuhn co o o N look

1985
01:50:21,439 --> 01:50:22,400
Speaker 12: up zip kun.

1986
01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:26,759
Speaker 9: Or look up sambo. Those were the negroes like Nicki Minaj,

1987
01:50:28,160 --> 01:50:32,400
Speaker 9: like Kanye West, like Steve Harvey, like sa Kwan Bokley

1988
01:50:32,680 --> 01:50:37,640
Speaker 9: and Candice Owens, who aren't simply existing in front of

1989
01:50:38,120 --> 01:50:40,720
Speaker 9: a white man around a white man. These negroes see

1990
01:50:40,720 --> 01:50:43,400
Speaker 9: a white man and they just start performing, smiling, dancing,

1991
01:50:43,960 --> 01:50:48,400
Speaker 9: chucking opening, putting their in their hand, hoping they get

1992
01:50:49,439 --> 01:50:54,040
Speaker 9: a penny for doing a dance. We've seen this in

1993
01:50:54,120 --> 01:50:59,880
Speaker 9: our history. So Nicki Minas is simply performing a zip

1994
01:51:00,040 --> 01:51:07,080
Speaker 9: whoom or a shambo performance where you lose all values,

1995
01:51:07,160 --> 01:51:10,880
Speaker 9: all morals. You become exaggerated as a person, loud and

1996
01:51:11,120 --> 01:51:14,800
Speaker 9: very ugly and painted up and you know, you can

1997
01:51:14,840 --> 01:51:17,320
Speaker 9: look at all pictures of Nicki Minaj. She you know,

1998
01:51:17,360 --> 01:51:20,080
Speaker 9: when she was about seventeen eighteen, she looked like a

1999
01:51:20,120 --> 01:51:23,040
Speaker 9: twelve year old boy, and next thing you know, she

2000
01:51:23,240 --> 01:51:27,760
Speaker 9: got you know, I don't even know what to call

2001
01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:30,840
Speaker 9: them in the back of her behind so large right

2002
01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:35,960
Speaker 9: that you know, it's dominated her whole image. What I

2003
01:51:36,080 --> 01:51:39,760
Speaker 9: think Black America needs to do is have more discernment

2004
01:51:40,680 --> 01:51:44,800
Speaker 9: and make choices not to support people who they don't

2005
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:49,640
Speaker 9: agree with. You can vote, or you cannot listen to

2006
01:51:50,920 --> 01:51:54,680
Speaker 9: Nicki Minaj. You cannot listen to her. You cannot, Like

2007
01:51:54,760 --> 01:51:56,800
Speaker 9: I haven't listened to a R. Kelly song in years,

2008
01:51:57,520 --> 01:52:00,200
Speaker 9: right because when I think, and I can't even listen

2009
01:52:00,280 --> 01:52:02,679
Speaker 9: to Aaliyah, to be honest with you, when a Leah

2010
01:52:02,720 --> 01:52:05,040
Speaker 9: comes on, I turn it off, and I always have

2011
01:52:05,600 --> 01:52:07,120
Speaker 9: because all I can think about as soon as I

2012
01:52:07,200 --> 01:52:09,400
Speaker 9: hear Aliyah, I think of R. Kelly and it messes

2013
01:52:09,479 --> 01:52:11,519
Speaker 9: me up. So I can't even listen to Aleah when

2014
01:52:11,560 --> 01:52:14,639
Speaker 9: she talking about her, you know, singing certain songs, I'm thinking,

2015
01:52:14,920 --> 01:52:17,080
Speaker 9: is R Kelly standing behind her right now while she's

2016
01:52:17,120 --> 01:52:21,479
Speaker 9: singing when she's talking about Aj ain't netting butter number R.

2017
01:52:21,600 --> 01:52:25,040
Speaker 9: Kelly's right there. I went to school with Alia's first cousin,

2018
01:52:25,400 --> 01:52:29,200
Speaker 9: Joe Mo Hankerson, her uncle who got the eighty five

2019
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:32,200
Speaker 9: million dollars a few years ago, Barry Hankerson. We all

2020
01:52:32,240 --> 01:52:34,840
Speaker 9: went to school together Pepperdine, Me and Joe Mo and

2021
01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:38,120
Speaker 9: Kim Fields. We all went to Pepperdine together. So I

2022
01:52:38,320 --> 01:52:44,439
Speaker 9: know Aliah's family. I know Alia's uncle who ran her

2023
01:52:44,960 --> 01:52:48,120
Speaker 9: and her first cousin, Joe Mo Hankerson. Look this up

2024
01:52:48,320 --> 01:52:52,000
Speaker 9: if I'm lying, Ben Barry Hankerson, he was married to

2025
01:52:52,439 --> 01:52:56,520
Speaker 9: Ship Fields. Kim Field's mama. Kim Fields went to Pepperdine

2026
01:52:57,160 --> 01:52:58,920
Speaker 9: and we used to go over to the kim Field's

2027
01:52:58,920 --> 01:53:04,599
Speaker 9: house and Barry Hankerson and Chip Fields. Kim's mom owned

2028
01:53:04,600 --> 01:53:08,360
Speaker 9: a home up there in the valve in La. So again,

2029
01:53:10,040 --> 01:53:13,080
Speaker 9: I think what I'm trying to get at is there's

2030
01:53:13,120 --> 01:53:18,519
Speaker 9: always been the sellout phenomena, and we've always discouraged it,

2031
01:53:18,920 --> 01:53:21,479
Speaker 9: but we've never been able to console it. Going back

2032
01:53:21,560 --> 01:53:27,000
Speaker 9: to William Hannibal Thomas's book, The the Black Judas, that

2033
01:53:27,240 --> 01:53:31,080
Speaker 9: book is kind of the umbilical, the kind of mothership

2034
01:53:31,560 --> 01:53:37,280
Speaker 9: of all self hating black thinking and writing. And you

2035
01:53:37,360 --> 01:53:41,799
Speaker 9: know look look at Nicki Minajs. She you know, the makeup,

2036
01:53:42,160 --> 01:53:45,320
Speaker 9: the hair, all these black women with this, with these

2037
01:53:45,400 --> 01:53:49,519
Speaker 9: blonde wigs is deep to me. Like, let me tell

2038
01:53:49,560 --> 01:53:52,439
Speaker 9: this clearly, I think most of the beefs that black

2039
01:53:52,479 --> 01:53:57,240
Speaker 9: feminists have is not with black men at all. Their

2040
01:53:57,320 --> 01:54:00,760
Speaker 9: beef is with their grandmamas and their mamas. And most

2041
01:54:00,800 --> 01:54:04,160
Speaker 9: black seminist won't acknowledge that that they use their grandmamas

2042
01:54:04,200 --> 01:54:06,320
Speaker 9: and mamas to say, yeah, we're standing on the sofa

2043
01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:09,400
Speaker 9: all our mamas and our grandmamas. But their real intellectual

2044
01:54:09,560 --> 01:54:12,400
Speaker 9: battle is with the women of the previous generations who

2045
01:54:12,479 --> 01:54:14,800
Speaker 9: did not live like they do now, or have the

2046
01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:18,800
Speaker 9: mentality that they do now, or the economic situations that

2047
01:54:18,920 --> 01:54:23,679
Speaker 9: they do now. So now you know the black community,

2048
01:54:25,200 --> 01:54:27,559
Speaker 9: uh you know right who left?

2049
01:54:27,600 --> 01:54:28,960
Speaker 1: All right there, Doc, because we've got a bunch of

2050
01:54:29,000 --> 01:54:31,960
Speaker 1: folks got questions for you. A twelve away from the

2051
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:34,480
Speaker 1: top of our Sister Fahimas called on line seven. She's

2052
01:54:34,880 --> 01:54:37,840
Speaker 1: from Washington, d C. Grand Rising Sister for Haima your

2053
01:54:37,880 --> 01:54:39,480
Speaker 1: commenty of your question for doctor Taylor.

2054
01:54:40,360 --> 01:54:44,760
Speaker 13: Good morning, uh mister Nelson Hiberadani and greetings to your guests.

2055
01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:48,080
Speaker 13: And yes, I am calling from d C. But I'm

2056
01:54:48,280 --> 01:54:52,600
Speaker 13: Harlem born, bred and Harlem, and I'm from Harlem originally,

2057
01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:55,160
Speaker 13: and I go back and forth, but I called the

2058
01:54:55,320 --> 01:54:59,160
Speaker 13: previous caller was absolutely correct, and I just want to

2059
01:54:59,160 --> 01:55:03,640
Speaker 13: shed some other She's yes, this is about this situation

2060
01:55:03,840 --> 01:55:07,800
Speaker 13: with her husband, because her husband, although his case and

2061
01:55:07,920 --> 01:55:12,240
Speaker 13: her brother's case are statecases, his brother, her brother's failure

2062
01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:16,000
Speaker 13: to register as an sa an s O becomes a

2063
01:55:16,080 --> 01:55:21,720
Speaker 13: federal issue. So this is indeed about self preservation. Also

2064
01:55:23,040 --> 01:55:30,240
Speaker 13: the issue with Trinidad and Venezuela, and most prominently when

2065
01:55:31,800 --> 01:55:34,840
Speaker 13: Trump was in office, initially the first time, and he

2066
01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:41,480
Speaker 13: was separating children from their parents and deporting the parents,

2067
01:55:42,120 --> 01:55:44,600
Speaker 13: she spoke out and did I sent you an article

2068
01:55:45,040 --> 01:55:48,240
Speaker 13: where I think it was an ebony ad magazine. Nicki

2069
01:55:48,320 --> 01:55:52,360
Speaker 13: Minaj came at five years old. Her parents are naturalized citizens,

2070
01:55:52,560 --> 01:55:56,880
Speaker 13: but she is undocumented. And the fact of the matter

2071
01:55:57,080 --> 01:56:02,040
Speaker 13: is when President Obama put doctor in place, she was

2072
01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:06,800
Speaker 13: above the age limit to apply for doctor. So her

2073
01:56:07,200 --> 01:56:11,040
Speaker 13: immigration status is in limbo. And you know that Trump

2074
01:56:11,240 --> 01:56:16,760
Speaker 13: is a very vindictive, unforgiving person and she is potentially

2075
01:56:16,840 --> 01:56:19,040
Speaker 13: in her cross in his cross hears, so it has

2076
01:56:19,120 --> 01:56:23,200
Speaker 13: a lot to do with her immigration status, possibly helping

2077
01:56:23,680 --> 01:56:30,680
Speaker 13: her brother and the conflict, the geopolitical conflict with Venezuela

2078
01:56:30,760 --> 01:56:34,920
Speaker 13: and Trinidad. Also, yes, Nicki Minaj does have a black

2079
01:56:35,000 --> 01:56:38,040
Speaker 13: fan base, but her fan base is very diverse and

2080
01:56:38,600 --> 01:56:41,920
Speaker 13: a lot of it is part of the lgbd Q community.

2081
01:56:42,440 --> 01:56:45,520
Speaker 13: I'm watching the conflict play out online.

2082
01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:49,280
Speaker 10: They are they are in an uproar.

2083
01:56:49,680 --> 01:56:54,440
Speaker 13: Just like Beyonce has the beehive, Nicki Minaj has what's

2084
01:56:54,520 --> 01:56:58,560
Speaker 13: known as barbes. So I would I wouldn't necessarily frame

2085
01:56:58,720 --> 01:57:02,400
Speaker 13: this as her the black community under the bus because

2086
01:57:02,440 --> 01:57:05,680
Speaker 13: her fan base is not predominantly black. It's very diverse

2087
01:57:06,520 --> 01:57:09,760
Speaker 13: in the LGBTQ community is very much a large part

2088
01:57:09,800 --> 01:57:13,880
Speaker 13: of it. Also, some of the things that's going on

2089
01:57:15,000 --> 01:57:18,800
Speaker 13: there were, you know, people, even when it comes to

2090
01:57:19,000 --> 01:57:23,560
Speaker 13: the music and criticizing subsequent generations about the music they play.

2091
01:57:23,880 --> 01:57:26,800
Speaker 13: There was Millie Jackson back in the day. There's always

2092
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:29,880
Speaker 13: been diversity, and it's turned us more perpet to be.

2093
01:57:30,640 --> 01:57:33,040
Speaker 13: Richard Pryor grew up in a house of ill repute.

2094
01:57:33,200 --> 01:57:36,920
Speaker 13: You've always had diverse situations in our community. You've had

2095
01:57:37,000 --> 01:57:41,880
Speaker 13: Black people who had respectable politics. You had Black people

2096
01:57:41,960 --> 01:57:46,320
Speaker 13: who who actually were engaged in the oldest profession in

2097
01:57:46,440 --> 01:57:48,360
Speaker 13: the world. So you know, the thing is is that

2098
01:57:48,880 --> 01:57:51,879
Speaker 13: there was never a situation where there was one unique

2099
01:57:52,280 --> 01:57:56,560
Speaker 13: Black experience. We are as diverse as ore hues, and

2100
01:57:56,680 --> 01:58:00,560
Speaker 13: that's in front of class, dignity, respect the things that

2101
01:58:00,680 --> 01:58:03,240
Speaker 13: we do. And so that's all I wanted to share.

2102
01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:04,200
Speaker 6: Oh, a.

2103
01:58:05,960 --> 01:58:08,880
Speaker 13: Very critical of Nicki Minach and so that is also

2104
01:58:09,320 --> 01:58:12,000
Speaker 13: suspect he was not a fan of her. So this

2105
01:58:12,240 --> 01:58:17,280
Speaker 13: is indeed self preservation, as the previous call of mentioned

2106
01:58:17,480 --> 01:58:19,360
Speaker 13: and the things that I've outlined as well.

2107
01:58:20,440 --> 01:58:22,320
Speaker 4: All Right, thank you, sister favorite doctor Taylor.

2108
01:58:23,320 --> 01:58:26,680
Speaker 9: She's brilliant and I agree what everything she said.

2109
01:58:27,880 --> 01:58:29,320
Speaker 1: All right, and we keeps doing because I got a

2110
01:58:29,320 --> 01:58:30,400
Speaker 1: bunch of folks want to talk to you, and we

2111
01:58:30,480 --> 01:58:32,760
Speaker 1: want to talk about the reparations in San Francisco as well.

2112
01:58:33,000 --> 01:58:35,440
Speaker 1: Brother Gregory is calling us from Charlotte Is online too,

2113
01:58:35,520 --> 01:58:38,600
Speaker 1: Grand Rising, Brother Gregor, your question or comment for doctor Taylor.

2114
01:58:39,800 --> 01:58:43,280
Speaker 15: Yes, Grand Rising, Brother Paul, Grand Rising, doctor Taylor, and

2115
01:58:43,560 --> 01:58:46,000
Speaker 15: thank you so much, Brother Paul for having all these

2116
01:58:46,040 --> 01:58:48,920
Speaker 15: professors as guest on your show and giving us the

2117
01:58:49,000 --> 01:58:53,080
Speaker 15: opportunity to ask them questions. A couple of months ago,

2118
01:58:53,880 --> 01:58:58,040
Speaker 15: Brother carl actually mentioned a very interesting point a pattern

2119
01:58:58,080 --> 01:59:02,560
Speaker 15: that he recognized that the Trump administration would raise an

2120
01:59:02,640 --> 01:59:07,200
Speaker 15: issue about long standing civil rights law, and then number

2121
01:59:07,240 --> 01:59:11,240
Speaker 15: two Trump under Republicans, would work this issue up to

2122
01:59:11,360 --> 01:59:15,200
Speaker 15: the Supreme Court, and then number three, doctor Taylor, the

2123
01:59:15,280 --> 01:59:20,760
Speaker 15: Supreme Court would hear the case and surprise, overturn almost

2124
01:59:20,840 --> 01:59:24,680
Speaker 15: one hundred year old president. That was the foundation for

2125
01:59:24,760 --> 01:59:29,160
Speaker 15: black people. Now, my question for this call is about

2126
01:59:29,280 --> 01:59:33,080
Speaker 15: the current announcement that the United States Supreme Court will

2127
01:59:33,160 --> 01:59:37,880
Speaker 15: review birthright citizenship. I think the arguments are April twenty

2128
01:59:37,920 --> 01:59:41,960
Speaker 15: twenty six, and the final decision is in July twenty

2129
01:59:42,040 --> 01:59:46,040
Speaker 15: twenty six. So my question for you, doctor Taylor, if

2130
01:59:46,360 --> 01:59:50,360
Speaker 15: makes a decision in July twenty twenty six that changes

2131
01:59:50,400 --> 01:59:55,520
Speaker 15: birthright citizenship. If that change is made, say from birthright

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Speaker 15: citizenship to a form of Trump citizenship, you see that

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Speaker 15: what is happening to the Latinos right now, the capture,

2134
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Speaker 15: the tension, and deportation. If that change is made, could

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Speaker 15: he start planning to do that to black people in America?

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Speaker 15: And if so, what did you think will be the

2137
02:00:15,320 --> 02:00:18,360
Speaker 15: solution for our people if that happened in July twenty

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Speaker 15: twenty six, Yeah, it will have a.

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Speaker 9: Deep psychological effect on Black people who understand what it means. Now,

2140
02:00:25,560 --> 02:00:27,920
Speaker 9: there's a lot of Black folks don't know what birthright

2141
02:00:28,040 --> 02:00:31,120
Speaker 9: means or citizenship means, so put the two words together,

2142
02:00:31,160 --> 02:00:33,120
Speaker 9: they get more confused. I'm not trying to be elite

2143
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Speaker 9: this year. I'm just saying there's a lot of ignorance

2144
02:00:35,080 --> 02:00:39,320
Speaker 9: in our community and they don't understand. Birthright citizenship ain't

2145
02:00:39,320 --> 02:00:41,440
Speaker 9: got nothing to do with Latinos. It ain't got nothing

2146
02:00:41,440 --> 02:00:46,480
Speaker 9: to do with immigrants. Birthright citizenship is only about Black America. Now,

2147
02:00:46,600 --> 02:00:49,560
Speaker 9: other groups have had other cases built off of that.

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Speaker 9: My semessages ended and I had several students right about

2149
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Speaker 9: the Latino experiences in terms of birthright citizenship in terms

2150
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Speaker 9: of case law, But the foundation in eighteen seventy in

2151
02:01:06,200 --> 02:01:10,839
Speaker 9: the fourteenth Amendment of birthright citizenship, that's only a conversation

2152
02:01:10,960 --> 02:01:14,120
Speaker 9: about Black folk. We are being tricked because it's not

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02:01:14,200 --> 02:01:17,680
Speaker 9: being discussed in regard to Black folk, but it applies

2154
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Speaker 9: to us. So if they get rid of it, every

2155
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Speaker 9: Negro in America is vulnerable to no longer have the

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02:01:24,520 --> 02:01:28,800
Speaker 9: guarantee of citizenship or citizenship rights. This is why Nicki

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02:01:28,880 --> 02:01:32,480
Speaker 9: Minaj is dangerous. This is why all these black conservatives

2158
02:01:32,520 --> 02:01:35,720
Speaker 9: in Black Maga are dangerous. They are providing a cover

2159
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Speaker 9: to say, see, he's not racist.

2160
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Speaker 8: Right.

2161
02:01:39,160 --> 02:01:43,640
Speaker 9: Meanwhile, Anaka Petti Minaje keeps her millions and her celebrity

2162
02:01:44,160 --> 02:01:48,440
Speaker 9: and our people are in a predicament as vulnerable as

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02:01:48,520 --> 02:01:50,760
Speaker 9: her because she really ain't got no business here, and

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Speaker 9: they would basically put us in the same position that

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Speaker 9: Nicki is in a vulnerable one. And I agree with

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Speaker 9: Sister Fahima. Nicki minaj is dealing with reality of her

2167
02:02:00,400 --> 02:02:03,600
Speaker 9: own illegal immigrant status. She should have stayed off camera

2168
02:02:03,800 --> 02:02:06,120
Speaker 9: and kept her mouth shut and most of us wouldn't

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02:02:06,160 --> 02:02:08,040
Speaker 9: be talking about it. But because she got up on

2170
02:02:08,120 --> 02:02:12,200
Speaker 9: that stage, now her immigration status is topic number one

2171
02:02:12,440 --> 02:02:18,280
Speaker 9: with regard to her. The second conversation is her rapacious husband,

2172
02:02:19,480 --> 02:02:21,720
Speaker 9: and the third I mean your brother rather and the

2173
02:02:21,840 --> 02:02:25,720
Speaker 9: third is her husband. Right, So this Sister Fahima said,

2174
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Speaker 9: is self preservation. But remember they took off, they got

2175
02:02:29,800 --> 02:02:33,240
Speaker 9: rid of slick Rick. They deported slick Rick back to England.

2176
02:02:33,640 --> 02:02:36,240
Speaker 9: So there's no reason we all love slick Rick. They

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Speaker 9: they don't fing shoot and don't who don't want a

2178
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Speaker 9: meaning of ward or so that as popular as anything

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Speaker 9: Nicki Minaj has ever done in our history.

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Speaker 1: I like that rap and hold on thought right there, Doc,

2181
02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:50,919
Speaker 1: because we got to step aside. South stations can identify

2182
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Speaker 1: themselves down line three minutes away from the top of that.

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Speaker 1: Let me just say this, Nicki Minaj is quoted and

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Speaker 1: saying that she should be given honorary US citizenship because

2185
02:02:58,160 --> 02:03:00,800
Speaker 1: all the taxes that she's paid down that while we

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Speaker 1: take the break. As I mentioned, it's three away from

2187
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Speaker 1: the top there. You want to speak to our guest,

2188
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Speaker 1: doctor James Taylor, is a political scientist and a black

2189
02:03:07,200 --> 02:03:09,680
Speaker 1: politics expert. Reach out to us at eight hundred four

2190
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Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take

2191
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Speaker 1: your phone calls next and grind Rising family, thanks for

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Speaker 1: starting your week with us this last week of twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five. And a bari Ghane the fourth day of Kwanza.

2194
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Speaker 1: Bari Grane, of course, means what's the news. That's the

2195
02:03:23,120 --> 02:03:27,760
Speaker 1: literal translation from Swahili in our translation is what's going on,

2196
02:03:27,920 --> 02:03:29,400
Speaker 1: what's happening, what's new?

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Speaker 4: That's what we say.

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Speaker 1: And your response is oujama, which means cooperative economics. Got

2199
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Speaker 1: some folks out in San Diego and LA want to

2200
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Speaker 1: talk to doctor Taylor. But doctor Taylor is our guest

2201
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Speaker 1: right now. It's a black politics expert, Doctor Taylor. Let

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Speaker 1: you finish your thought and we'll talk to the folks out.

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Speaker 9: Well, well, would you're saying a high profile black entertainer

2204
02:03:47,840 --> 02:03:51,560
Speaker 9: who's been deported with the slick rick. So I guess

2205
02:03:51,680 --> 02:03:54,840
Speaker 9: Nick Minaj is aware that she's vulnerable. But it does

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02:03:54,920 --> 02:03:58,960
Speaker 9: go back against your you know, your constitutional question about

2207
02:04:00,080 --> 02:04:05,520
Speaker 9: birthright citizenship. This makes all forty five million black people vulnerable.

2208
02:04:05,880 --> 02:04:08,920
Speaker 9: The irony is white people are dying out, and yet

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Speaker 9: before they die out, they're trying to make sure that

2210
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Speaker 9: they create an apartheid system to leave whites on top.

2211
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Speaker 9: That's what I think is in play. And again, they've

2212
02:04:20,440 --> 02:04:24,320
Speaker 9: always been black conservatives. We've never been monolistic in our thinking.

2213
02:04:24,400 --> 02:04:27,080
Speaker 9: There was black conservative intellectual was back in Booker T.

2214
02:04:27,360 --> 02:04:32,840
Speaker 9: Washington's Day Book of Washington represented some conservatism. There's a

2215
02:04:32,960 --> 02:04:37,000
Speaker 9: long history of conservativism. It's one of our political ideologies

2216
02:04:37,080 --> 02:04:39,440
Speaker 9: like integration and black nationalism.

2217
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Speaker 11: It is.

2218
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Speaker 9: But what we have here is not I think conservativism.

2219
02:04:46,640 --> 02:04:53,880
Speaker 9: It's transactional. This is not ideology. Anika Petty is being transactional.

2220
02:04:54,160 --> 02:04:58,440
Speaker 9: With Donald Trump and the Department of Justice, and so

2221
02:04:59,160 --> 02:05:04,000
Speaker 9: again Donald Trump is using them, and they're using Donald Trump.

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02:05:04,960 --> 02:05:06,920
Speaker 9: And I think you know what black folk have got.

2223
02:05:07,320 --> 02:05:12,760
Speaker 9: We don't have a clearinghouse where we can vet all

2224
02:05:12,960 --> 02:05:16,000
Speaker 9: ideas that get put out in public on our behalf.

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Speaker 9: That's what the Gary Convention in nineteen seventy two was

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Speaker 9: supposed to do. Allow every Black opinion, from every Black

2227
02:05:22,800 --> 02:05:26,480
Speaker 9: perspective to have voice, and then to always have voice

2228
02:05:26,640 --> 02:05:30,000
Speaker 9: from that point on whenever we get together, and you know,

2229
02:05:30,120 --> 02:05:32,960
Speaker 9: every four years, like the Democrats and Republicans at our

2230
02:05:33,040 --> 02:05:38,520
Speaker 9: Black Convention, gays could come, trans could come, Christians could come,

2231
02:05:38,880 --> 02:05:43,800
Speaker 9: Muslims should come, Nationalists could come, Integrationists could come, Marxists

2232
02:05:43,800 --> 02:05:47,040
Speaker 9: could come. That's Gary nineteen seventy two. And we should

2233
02:05:47,040 --> 02:05:50,200
Speaker 9: have kept that apparatus in place so that we can

2234
02:05:50,280 --> 02:05:53,280
Speaker 9: have all kinds of black opinion. But when we walk

2235
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Speaker 9: out of that auditorium together, we are united, regardless of

2236
02:05:59,000 --> 02:06:02,120
Speaker 9: what our orientations are. We come to an agreement in

2237
02:06:02,240 --> 02:06:05,880
Speaker 9: our own PLUBU site and say this is the memo.

2238
02:06:06,480 --> 02:06:10,400
Speaker 9: Do not get off script, stay on code. This is

2239
02:06:10,480 --> 02:06:15,360
Speaker 9: our Black unity, and that means gays, trans conservatives, christians,

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Speaker 9: everybody stay on point, and then we can fight in

2241
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Speaker 9: our conventions and we can cuss in our conventions. But

2242
02:06:21,680 --> 02:06:25,920
Speaker 9: when we walked out that convention, there's a united message

2243
02:06:26,280 --> 02:06:28,760
Speaker 9: that's a problem called we don't have a clearing house.

2244
02:06:29,040 --> 02:06:32,200
Speaker 9: That Jim Crow gave us the clearing house. It gave

2245
02:06:32,320 --> 02:06:36,000
Speaker 9: us the clarity. We could see Uncle Tom correct myself.

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02:06:36,160 --> 02:06:39,400
Speaker 9: We could see a zip kun or a uh, you know,

2247
02:06:39,560 --> 02:06:43,480
Speaker 9: a Sambo Negro acting out easily. Remember the movie Soldier story,

2248
02:06:44,280 --> 02:06:47,960
Speaker 9: the movie Soldier story with Richard with that, you know,

2249
02:06:48,040 --> 02:06:52,440
Speaker 9: with well, with all of those black actors, right, uh,

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Speaker 9: and remember they the one black man they kill is

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Speaker 9: one who played who acted like a monkey in public

2252
02:06:58,920 --> 02:07:01,120
Speaker 9: in front of the German I believe it was. The

2253
02:07:01,240 --> 02:07:05,200
Speaker 9: narrative was and they they and they disciplined them. In

2254
02:07:05,320 --> 02:07:09,000
Speaker 9: South Africa that used to do necklacing in South Africa,

2255
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Speaker 9: if you were a setout, you got a tire put

2256
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Speaker 9: around you with some gasoline and you got necklace. Right,

2257
02:07:16,080 --> 02:07:18,320
Speaker 9: we don't have what I'm trying to say called we

2258
02:07:18,360 --> 02:07:20,760
Speaker 9: don't have any one place that's the center of Black

2259
02:07:20,840 --> 02:07:25,160
Speaker 9: America that can check bad or off tune behavior or

2260
02:07:25,240 --> 02:07:29,240
Speaker 9: off colde behavior. So we don't have a mechanism that says, Okay,

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Speaker 9: Mickey Minaj's shit down. Now, we did under Jim Crow.

2262
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Speaker 9: The nature of Jim Crow Channel two, Channel four, Channel five,

2263
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Speaker 9: Channel seven, we only had like three or four channels,

2264
02:07:40,760 --> 02:07:45,240
Speaker 9: so those TV channels, news channels had all of our attention.

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Speaker 8: Right.

2266
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Speaker 9: But then after the eighties and nineties, you know, the

2267
02:07:49,560 --> 02:07:56,480
Speaker 9: proliferation of CNN and cable news and technology explodes. So

2268
02:07:56,720 --> 02:08:01,840
Speaker 9: now the black community is dec if Jim Crow gave

2269
02:08:01,920 --> 02:08:04,760
Speaker 9: us a clarity, I'm saying, where we could see when

2270
02:08:04,840 --> 02:08:13,520
Speaker 9: somebody was off code, integration broke up, whatever institutional oversight,

2271
02:08:13,640 --> 02:08:17,280
Speaker 9: we had to check bad black behavior. So we don't

2272
02:08:17,320 --> 02:08:20,040
Speaker 9: have the mechanism to say, Nicki Minaj, you can no

2273
02:08:20,200 --> 02:08:23,240
Speaker 9: longer talk on behalf of Black America. If you do,

2274
02:08:23,560 --> 02:08:28,040
Speaker 9: we will discipline you. Jews have it right, other groups

2275
02:08:28,080 --> 02:08:31,200
Speaker 9: have it where they where they can, you know, filter

2276
02:08:31,360 --> 02:08:33,960
Speaker 9: the messages that go on about them. You don't see

2277
02:08:34,040 --> 02:08:37,600
Speaker 9: any black Indian celebrities acting out like Nicki Minaj. You

2278
02:08:37,680 --> 02:08:42,400
Speaker 9: don't see any Latino celebrities acting out like Nicki Minaj. Well,

2279
02:08:43,520 --> 02:08:47,680
Speaker 9: in many cases, what I'm saying is once Jim Crow ended,

2280
02:08:48,080 --> 02:08:51,160
Speaker 9: we lost the fish bowl that we were living in

2281
02:08:51,240 --> 02:08:53,400
Speaker 9: where we could check on each other and check each

2282
02:08:53,400 --> 02:08:58,080
Speaker 9: other's sellout behavior. After Jim Crow, it's now no there

2283
02:08:58,200 --> 02:09:02,920
Speaker 9: is no one place of blackness. So Blackness is proliferated

2284
02:09:02,960 --> 02:09:06,480
Speaker 9: all over the world, in diaspora and pan African And

2285
02:09:07,120 --> 02:09:10,120
Speaker 9: the problem is now everybody can do whatever they want

2286
02:09:10,160 --> 02:09:12,240
Speaker 9: to do, and we don't have a sense. We don't

2287
02:09:12,280 --> 02:09:15,680
Speaker 9: have a full crumb s U L c r U M.

2288
02:09:15,960 --> 02:09:19,440
Speaker 9: We don't have a full crumb to check ungodly or

2289
02:09:19,600 --> 02:09:23,920
Speaker 9: undisciplined or off code behavior. And and that's why anybody

2290
02:09:23,960 --> 02:09:25,880
Speaker 9: can do whatever they want. Lil Wayne can go to

2291
02:09:26,000 --> 02:09:29,080
Speaker 9: the White House. Uh, Steve Harvey can go to the

2292
02:09:29,120 --> 02:09:32,240
Speaker 9: White House, and they don't They don't expect any repercussions

2293
02:09:32,520 --> 02:09:37,120
Speaker 9: from Black people. One because after Jim Crow, a lot

2294
02:09:37,160 --> 02:09:40,480
Speaker 9: of Black folk lost there focused on who they were,

2295
02:09:41,120 --> 02:09:45,840
Speaker 9: and we became much more individualistic. And that goes back

2296
02:09:45,880 --> 02:09:49,120
Speaker 9: to what sister Fatima was saying that it becomes these

2297
02:09:49,240 --> 02:09:50,960
Speaker 9: individual calculations.

2298
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Speaker 6: And and so.

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Speaker 9: Without a mechanism like the like the Gary Convention, Without

2300
02:09:58,840 --> 02:10:02,080
Speaker 9: something like that, we're all black people get together idiologically

2301
02:10:02,200 --> 02:10:04,120
Speaker 9: and flesh out their differences and then come out with

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Speaker 9: a united voice. Without something like that. People like Nicki

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02:10:08,360 --> 02:10:14,120
Speaker 9: Minaj and Loul Wayne and Kodak Black, and you know

2304
02:10:14,280 --> 02:10:17,440
Speaker 9: some of these other celebrities like Snoop Dogg. We have

2305
02:10:17,600 --> 02:10:19,120
Speaker 9: no way of checking and saying, look at look at this.

2306
02:10:19,240 --> 02:10:21,400
Speaker 9: After Snoop Dogg sold out, we were mad at Snoop

2307
02:10:21,760 --> 02:10:26,080
Speaker 9: like we were mad at Nikki or Anika. Now Snoop

2308
02:10:26,520 --> 02:10:29,800
Speaker 9: then recovered already This negro is wearing an all red

2309
02:10:29,920 --> 02:10:32,440
Speaker 9: suit at a at a football concert yesterday, which I

2310
02:10:32,520 --> 02:10:37,720
Speaker 9: won't watch. But my point is, baby warded Snoop. A

2311
02:10:37,800 --> 02:10:40,680
Speaker 9: lot of times when these people sell out, you just

2312
02:10:40,760 --> 02:10:42,560
Speaker 9: gotta wait about a month or two, and all of

2313
02:10:42,560 --> 02:10:45,480
Speaker 9: a sudden they get commercials. Look at what Dwayne Wade,

2314
02:10:45,640 --> 02:10:48,520
Speaker 9: d Wade. D Wade did, I want to get into

2315
02:10:48,560 --> 02:10:51,920
Speaker 9: his son's sexuality and all of that, but d Wade,

2316
02:10:52,280 --> 02:10:55,760
Speaker 9: and you know it, goes out and promotes this idea.

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02:10:56,000 --> 02:10:57,600
Speaker 9: The next thing you know they got they gave him

2318
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Speaker 9: a talk show. Remember he had a game show on

2319
02:11:00,720 --> 02:11:03,840
Speaker 9: TV in prime time. Right after he got up and

2320
02:11:04,240 --> 02:11:09,240
Speaker 9: celebrated his sern's sexuality. They rewarded Dwayne Wade with a

2321
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Speaker 9: TV show that didn't work. Snoop Dogg is now has

2322
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Speaker 9: a Football Bowl game named after him. They just they

2323
02:11:17,480 --> 02:11:19,280
Speaker 9: were going to let him have a New Year's Eve party.

2324
02:11:19,320 --> 02:11:21,760
Speaker 9: I think they just canceled on him. And I'm saying, Carl,

2325
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Speaker 9: watch they do something for Nicki Mina soon.

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Speaker 10: Right, Well, let me jell me here that they've.

2327
02:11:27,200 --> 02:11:28,000
Speaker 4: Already done that.

2328
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Speaker 8: Is going to be rewarded.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me jump me here, because already are downloads.

2330
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Speaker 1: She may have my money downloads since she came out.

2331
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Speaker 1: So I'm not sure who's downloading their music, but that's

2332
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Speaker 1: what they're saying. She made millions and millions of dollars

2333
02:11:42,080 --> 02:11:44,919
Speaker 1: on her for music, but maybe her new fans are downloading,

2334
02:11:45,640 --> 02:11:47,880
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I'm trying to figure out where

2335
02:11:47,880 --> 02:11:49,880
Speaker 1: she's coming from. Before we go to a next guest.

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Speaker 1: The next caller though, doctor Taylor. Uh, one of our

2337
02:11:53,200 --> 02:11:55,840
Speaker 1: callers said the birthright and the effect on black people.

2338
02:11:56,040 --> 02:11:59,120
Speaker 1: This is on YouTube. There's a discussion about that, and

2339
02:11:59,160 --> 02:12:01,680
Speaker 1: we've always got to remember when we talk about the

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Speaker 1: birthright and the effect on black people, the dread Scott decision.

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Speaker 1: We can't leave that out. That's the that's the link

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Speaker 1: ten and a half the top down. Let's go out

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Speaker 1: Western now San Diego. Allen's calling he's online three grand rising, Alan,

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Speaker 1: you're with doctor Taylor, a doctor Taylor.

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Speaker 5: It was a pleasure, thank you said, well you too, Carl.

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Speaker 5: Excuse me, but you know something, you know, the problem

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Speaker 5: with a lot of black people, like a lot of

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Speaker 5: the the black people today, they don't have this, They

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02:12:29,040 --> 02:12:32,160
Speaker 5: don't take a stand like they did back in you know,

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Speaker 5: back in the fifties and sixties. Like for instance, like

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Speaker 5: Lena Horne, right, she when she was doing the US

2352
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Speaker 5: Social she said that they had all the h German

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Speaker 5: POWs in the front, on the front line, you know,

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Speaker 5: like in the front of the audience, and all the

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Speaker 5: blacks in the back. When she saw that, she just,

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02:12:49,800 --> 02:12:52,040
Speaker 5: you know, she just walked off the stage, you know.

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Speaker 5: But also too, I want to say this too. Now,

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Speaker 5: Bill Cosby, Okay, guess what Bill Cosby and Donald Trump

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02:13:00,840 --> 02:13:03,520
Speaker 5: they were in the same NBC studio, you know, I

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02:13:03,600 --> 02:13:06,080
Speaker 5: mean different they were in different flaws. And that's when

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump he announced his presidency. This is back in

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Speaker 5: twenty fifteen. Now when when they and went down when

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Speaker 5: they asked Bill Coley about this about you know about Trump.

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Speaker 5: You know, his reaction was, well, what do you think

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02:13:21,800 --> 02:13:25,600
Speaker 5: about Trump running for President, and his reaction is he

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02:13:25,720 --> 02:13:29,520
Speaker 5: got too much mouth. Then after he said that, I

2367
02:13:29,680 --> 02:13:34,960
Speaker 5: noticed that, that's when the sexual abuse scandal with him

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02:13:35,400 --> 02:13:38,360
Speaker 5: just came up. And from then on he was just silence.

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Speaker 5: He couldn't say anything because I know one thing. If

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Speaker 5: he wasn't silenced, he he I'm pretty sure he would

2371
02:13:45,680 --> 02:13:47,720
Speaker 5: have set a whole bunch of stuff about Donald Trump,

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Speaker 5: you know. And so that's what I'm saying. He has

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Speaker 5: some celebrities out there that they will speak out and everything,

2374
02:13:56,280 --> 02:14:00,480
Speaker 5: just like Paul Mooney. They silenced him too before he died.

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Speaker 5: Because I know, if you.

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Speaker 9: Think about it, if you think about it, Earth the

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Speaker 9: Kit was also not Black American. I believe she was

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Speaker 9: a West Indian immigrant as well. And Earth and Kit

2379
02:14:10,760 --> 02:14:16,120
Speaker 9: famously confronted LBJ in the White House and she wasn't smiling,

2380
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Speaker 9: and she wasn't shucking, and she wasn't tap dancing. She

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02:14:18,960 --> 02:14:21,640
Speaker 9: looked him in his eyes angrily and said, the young

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Speaker 9: people are rioting because they're unhappy. And it basically they

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Speaker 9: black balked earth A Kit for the rest of her

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Speaker 9: career for being honest. So it's profitable to sell out.

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Speaker 9: But what like I said earlier, Black feminism is less

2386
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Speaker 9: about black men and black women and more about black

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02:14:39,360 --> 02:14:42,880
Speaker 9: grandmamas and mamas and their daughters and granddaughters. This is

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02:14:42,920 --> 02:14:46,120
Speaker 9: a similar dynamic, you know, in the sense that they,

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02:14:46,320 --> 02:14:50,040
Speaker 9: you know, this has been an ongoing thing. And again

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Speaker 9: you know, Earth a Kid, uh, you know, took a

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Speaker 9: courageous stand and they and they black vault her. So

2392
02:14:57,320 --> 02:14:59,920
Speaker 9: I said, we put Earth the Kid up against Nikki.

2393
02:15:00,760 --> 02:15:03,640
Speaker 9: That's what I mean. That's the grandmama versus the granddaughter.

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02:15:04,000 --> 02:15:08,040
Speaker 9: Nicki Minaje talk to earth a Kit and Nicki Minaje

2395
02:15:08,080 --> 02:15:11,440
Speaker 9: looks a shame in front of earth a Kit because

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02:15:11,480 --> 02:15:14,880
Speaker 9: earth a Kit did what the Black community and the

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Speaker 9: young community and the anti war community wanted someone to do,

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Speaker 9: to speak truth to power. Instead, Niki used her power

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Speaker 9: to basically denigrate and celebrate the KKK. That's what you

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02:15:29,360 --> 02:15:35,880
Speaker 9: got to understand. Trump's genealogy is KKK. Carl. Imagine if

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02:15:35,960 --> 02:15:38,640
Speaker 9: you wrote down on a pad all of the negative

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02:15:38,720 --> 02:15:42,840
Speaker 9: qualities of all of the attributes of a KKK leader

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02:15:43,320 --> 02:15:45,720
Speaker 9: who would be president. What would it I guess I'm

2404
02:15:45,720 --> 02:15:47,760
Speaker 9: trying to say this call. If we wrote down on paper,

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02:15:47,960 --> 02:15:51,160
Speaker 9: what would a KKK president do if he got elected?

2406
02:15:51,400 --> 02:15:54,840
Speaker 9: Like David Duke. Do you think David Duke would be

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02:15:54,920 --> 02:15:58,000
Speaker 9: doing anything different than Donald Trump. Trump is acting like

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Speaker 9: a KKK president. He's probably only black and brown countries.

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Speaker 9: He's inviting demon white South Africans into this country, and

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Speaker 9: I've been there twice. Those are some devils. White South

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Speaker 9: Africans are devils.

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Speaker 1: And I'll stand on that and let me jump her

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Speaker 1: here at Doctor Taylor fourteen at the top there. The

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Speaker 1: irony is inviting the Africanas from South Africa because he

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02:16:24,600 --> 02:16:28,080
Speaker 1: says they're being persecuted. Why is he's yet to invite

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Speaker 1: the black Nigerians who are being persecuted.

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Speaker 4: What he does responds with its right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So we'll watch keep an eye on that. But

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Speaker 1: I've got a bunch of folks who want to get

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Speaker 1: to you, So if you can show up on the answers,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Sure, You've got a lot of people I'd like to

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Speaker 4: talk to you.

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Speaker 1: Fourteen a half the top there, stay out on the

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Speaker 1: West Coast, LA. Crystals online four grand rising Crystal your

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02:16:51,120 --> 02:16:57,800
Speaker 1: question for doctor Taylor. It's Crystal online for Kevin.

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Speaker 13: Can you hear me?

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Speaker 4: All right?

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Speaker 10: Doctor Taylor?

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Speaker 13: Gram rising everyone, Doctor Taylor, I want to thank you

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Speaker 13: for mentioning Zollie Deldanna. She does not claim define herself

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Speaker 13: as black or African American. When she won the Oscar

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02:17:23,000 --> 02:17:29,520
Speaker 13: last year for Best Supporting Actress for Emilia Perez, first

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02:17:29,640 --> 02:17:35,640
Speaker 13: she said in English, I'm Dominican, and I'm so proud

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Speaker 13: of being Dominican. Her whole speech was about being Dominican,

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Speaker 13: and then she restated her speech in Spanish. She does

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Speaker 13: not define herself as black. And there were black groups

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Speaker 13: here wanting to award her, and I was one trying

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Speaker 13: to afford them. She doesn't define yourself as black. Additional,

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Speaker 13: she's married to an Italian and you brought her name

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Speaker 13: up earlier. She also has been a main actress in Avatar,

2442
02:18:11,440 --> 02:18:15,520
Speaker 13: but she does not She claims she is Dominican, and

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Speaker 13: she does not recognize the black community here.

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Speaker 9: And you quickly and real quickly, what they've done is

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02:18:23,280 --> 02:18:25,920
Speaker 9: they rewarded her with a whole series of commercials she's

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02:18:26,000 --> 02:18:30,359
Speaker 9: doing now, she's doing vodka commercials, she's doing phone commercials.

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Speaker 9: This is not just because of a good agent. Once

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02:18:32,959 --> 02:18:36,000
Speaker 9: you sell out, they come and they reward you for

2449
02:18:36,120 --> 02:18:39,320
Speaker 9: the sellout, and she's being rewarded. But to be honest,

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Speaker 9: Like you said, she never embraced being black. But see,

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Speaker 9: here's the problem. Black folks don't need none of these people.

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02:18:45,160 --> 02:18:49,240
Speaker 9: Black people don't need Nicki minaj Orsowe Saldana or Kodak Black.

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Speaker 9: And when they are then going black people are still

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Speaker 9: going to be black and still going to thrive. So

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Speaker 9: you know, for me, you know, uh, there's a beauty

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Speaker 9: in being a minority in America. And the fact that

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02:19:04,080 --> 02:19:07,000
Speaker 9: we came here with nothing and now we rival the

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02:19:07,040 --> 02:19:11,320
Speaker 9: white man in everything and have surpassed him in most things.

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02:19:11,720 --> 02:19:16,520
Speaker 9: Is the mind blowing a twist of history that a

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Speaker 9: white man now thinks that the great great grandchild of

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Speaker 9: a slave is his equal because we have caught up

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Speaker 9: and surpassed him in so many ways on an individual level,

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Speaker 9: not on a group level, but on an individual level.

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Speaker 9: And they have a hard time with it.

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Speaker 1: Got you seventeen after the top, dre all, let's take

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Speaker 1: the break and we come back. We have folks across

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02:19:35,840 --> 02:19:37,800
Speaker 1: the country want to speak to doctor Taylor. You too

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02:19:37,840 --> 02:19:39,600
Speaker 1: can get in line reach out to us at eight

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Speaker 1: hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll

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Speaker 1: take all your calls. Next and Grand Rising family, Thanks

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02:19:46,480 --> 02:19:49,280
Speaker 1: for rolling with us on this last week of twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five. I guess is doctor James Taylor. Doctor Taylor

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02:19:52,440 --> 02:19:56,680
Speaker 1: teaches politics at the University of San Francisco. He's a

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02:19:56,760 --> 02:19:59,560
Speaker 1: black politics expert, and this morning we're talking about black maga.

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Speaker 4: What do you think?

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02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:03,560
Speaker 1: I thought it's eight four five zero seventy eight seventy six.

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02:20:03,680 --> 02:20:06,039
Speaker 1: Frider reaching out to us. He's in Bowie, Maryland. He's

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Speaker 1: online one grand rising, Fred your question for doctor.

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Speaker 16: Taylor, Brandon rising call and good to have Kevin back

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02:20:13,520 --> 02:20:17,240
Speaker 16: as well. And good on into you, doctor Taylor. And

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02:20:17,440 --> 02:20:20,200
Speaker 16: it's good to hear your voice and hear your insights.

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Speaker 16: I just have a question that I'm just going to

2483
02:20:23,080 --> 02:20:26,119
Speaker 16: take it off the air, but I'm curious to know why,

2484
02:20:26,200 --> 02:20:29,680
Speaker 16: all of a sudden we have this sports announcer by

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Speaker 16: the name of Stephen A.

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Speaker 5: Smith.

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Speaker 16: I thought is to jump into the arena as a

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02:20:37,080 --> 02:20:40,680
Speaker 16: possible candidate. And I just wonder why all of a

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02:20:40,760 --> 02:20:45,160
Speaker 16: sudden from a sports announcer jumping all the way into politics.

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Speaker 16: And then my second question is where are we as

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Speaker 16: far as Margie Taylor Green, She's awoke now, she's realizing

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Speaker 16: what's going on. What does that party, that Republican Party

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02:20:59,160 --> 02:20:59,520
Speaker 16: is there.

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Speaker 10: We see the beginning of a change in that Republican Party.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I don't think so. I just think Margie

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Speaker 9: Taylor Green's case is an individual case where, you know,

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02:21:12,280 --> 02:21:15,200
Speaker 9: this thing around the Epstein files really struck a chord

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Speaker 9: with her. With the other women too, the Nancy Mace

2500
02:21:20,000 --> 02:21:24,960
Speaker 9: and even Lauren Bobert, they were all really emotionally disturbed.

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02:21:25,000 --> 02:21:27,800
Speaker 9: I think Nancy Mays came out of a meeting in tears.

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02:21:29,320 --> 02:21:31,280
Speaker 9: It was so disturbing what they saw. They saw some

2503
02:21:31,520 --> 02:21:35,280
Speaker 9: vicious things and it's gonna all come out. It's coming

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02:21:35,320 --> 02:21:38,360
Speaker 9: out now. We're talking about murder and Lake Michigan. We're

2505
02:21:38,360 --> 02:21:41,360
Speaker 9: talking about murder and the President of the United States.

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02:21:41,680 --> 02:21:44,360
Speaker 9: You think that ain't gonna come out, the truth it

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02:21:44,480 --> 02:21:49,560
Speaker 9: will and and so you know, I think we're just,

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02:21:49,800 --> 02:21:52,560
Speaker 9: you know, going through an election cycle, and during an

2509
02:21:52,600 --> 02:21:55,520
Speaker 9: election cycle, a lot of things happen and you're gonna see.

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Speaker 9: I think this is really important to get in there.

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Speaker 9: Stephen A. Smith is a sellout. He's been one, but

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02:22:01,680 --> 02:22:04,959
Speaker 9: he got one hundred million dollars and then they demoted him.

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02:22:06,160 --> 02:22:08,640
Speaker 9: And now he's taking that on us because he's mad,

2514
02:22:09,160 --> 02:22:11,880
Speaker 9: and you know every other day he opens his loud mouth.

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02:22:11,920 --> 02:22:13,600
Speaker 9: I'm from New York like Stephen, and that's why I

2516
02:22:13,640 --> 02:22:17,840
Speaker 9: talk so loud and so much. But you know he's

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02:22:18,000 --> 02:22:22,200
Speaker 9: he's so ignorant. Nine times out of ten when Stephen A.

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02:22:22,280 --> 02:22:25,720
Speaker 9: Smith opens his mouth about politics, stupid comes out. He's

2519
02:22:25,840 --> 02:22:28,760
Speaker 9: not an intelligent man when it comes to politics.

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Speaker 17: All he does is talk.

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Speaker 9: Loud and long. But he's loud and wrong. And then

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02:22:34,680 --> 02:22:36,360
Speaker 9: a neat ro go lineup and try to act like

2523
02:22:36,360 --> 02:22:39,680
Speaker 9: he's gonna be some kind of black conservative. The reason

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02:22:39,760 --> 02:22:43,320
Speaker 9: why he thinks he can win. Look at the idiot

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Speaker 9: in the White House. If Donald Trump could be president,

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02:22:46,320 --> 02:22:50,000
Speaker 9: a crackhead could be president and run this country just

2527
02:22:50,120 --> 02:22:53,279
Speaker 9: like Donald Trump. We could go to any project corner

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02:22:53,440 --> 02:22:55,840
Speaker 9: and get a crackhead and swam in the White House

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02:22:55,920 --> 02:22:58,119
Speaker 9: and they would do the same damn thing this idiot

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02:22:58,200 --> 02:23:02,160
Speaker 9: is doing right now. He's a bad KKK president. And

2531
02:23:02,240 --> 02:23:04,600
Speaker 9: if that sounds harsh, look at what Maxim and Water

2532
02:23:04,760 --> 02:23:08,720
Speaker 9: said about him recently. Lizzo told us what.

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02:23:08,840 --> 02:23:09,800
Speaker 8: We all need to hear.

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02:23:10,480 --> 02:23:14,280
Speaker 9: Lizzo warned us, and this is where we do appreciate

2535
02:23:14,360 --> 02:23:17,760
Speaker 9: black celebrity. She warned, us, and we should keep our

2536
02:23:17,800 --> 02:23:21,200
Speaker 9: eyes open. She said, this is going to break your heart,

2537
02:23:21,440 --> 02:23:25,000
Speaker 9: but more of your celebrity favorites are going to sell

2538
02:23:25,080 --> 02:23:27,840
Speaker 9: out between now and November and now in the next

2539
02:23:27,879 --> 02:23:30,480
Speaker 9: three years, she said. She says only going to get worse.

2540
02:23:30,879 --> 02:23:36,160
Speaker 9: So whoever you love in black celebrity in glitter Roddy,

2541
02:23:36,560 --> 02:23:39,280
Speaker 9: be prepared to have your heart broken. My heart was

2542
02:23:39,320 --> 02:23:41,600
Speaker 9: broken when Jim Brown went to the White House and

2543
02:23:41,680 --> 02:23:44,600
Speaker 9: Steve Harvey, I was confused, like, why are y'all playing

2544
02:23:44,680 --> 02:23:47,520
Speaker 9: this game? What are y'all doing trying to negotiate and

2545
02:23:47,600 --> 02:23:49,920
Speaker 9: trying to act like they could get something from the

2546
02:23:50,040 --> 02:23:53,320
Speaker 9: President on behalf of Black America. None of them were

2547
02:23:53,400 --> 02:23:57,000
Speaker 9: doing that. You know, Kanye was talking about free Jeff

2548
02:23:57,080 --> 02:23:59,959
Speaker 9: Ford and free Larry Hoover. You know that's what Kanye's

2549
02:24:00,000 --> 02:24:03,200
Speaker 9: focus is, Free Larry Hoover. You know, none of them,

2550
02:24:03,560 --> 02:24:06,280
Speaker 9: none of these black conservatives, not one of them call

2551
02:24:06,800 --> 02:24:12,440
Speaker 9: has ever put for agenda a policy platform for Trump

2552
02:24:12,560 --> 02:24:15,400
Speaker 9: to support. So all these black folks who are playing it,

2553
02:24:15,640 --> 02:24:19,080
Speaker 9: playing this game, like Steven Smith and Nicki Minaj's, neither

2554
02:24:19,200 --> 02:24:21,600
Speaker 9: one of them has an idea what they believe in.

2555
02:24:21,800 --> 02:24:24,480
Speaker 9: All they doing is speaking into the confusion because they

2556
02:24:24,520 --> 02:24:28,600
Speaker 9: have agents behind them, and their agents tell them how

2557
02:24:28,680 --> 02:24:32,440
Speaker 9: to act, how to behave, what to do to get

2558
02:24:32,480 --> 02:24:35,880
Speaker 9: the news cycle. You don't think Nicki Minaj's agent said

2559
02:24:36,160 --> 02:24:38,920
Speaker 9: that's a good idea. We can get you back. They look,

2560
02:24:38,959 --> 02:24:41,680
Speaker 9: they voted the top ten female rappers this year and

2561
02:24:41,760 --> 02:24:45,040
Speaker 9: Nicki Minas ain't on the top ten list nowhere, But

2562
02:24:45,160 --> 02:24:46,120
Speaker 9: who were talking about? Now?

2563
02:24:48,400 --> 02:24:49,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, how that thought? Right there?

2564
02:24:49,560 --> 02:24:51,280
Speaker 1: I got folks all across the country want to talk

2565
02:24:51,280 --> 02:24:53,960
Speaker 1: to you, doctor Taylor. At twenty six after the top

2566
02:24:54,040 --> 02:24:56,760
Speaker 1: they are let's go to Northern Virginia. Carl's waiting versus

2567
02:24:56,760 --> 02:25:00,200
Speaker 1: online two Grand Rising Carl, A question, a confer about

2568
02:25:00,200 --> 02:25:02,160
Speaker 1: your tailor, a.

2569
02:25:02,200 --> 02:25:05,760
Speaker 14: Grand Rising car and Grand Rising Doctor Taylor, thank you

2570
02:25:05,959 --> 02:25:07,640
Speaker 14: for taking my call. Can y'all hear me?

2571
02:25:08,600 --> 02:25:10,920
Speaker 8: Yes? Okay, listen.

2572
02:25:11,040 --> 02:25:13,360
Speaker 14: You brought up the meeting that they.

2573
02:25:13,280 --> 02:25:16,680
Speaker 18: Had in the political convention in nineteen seventy two and Gary, Indiana,

2574
02:25:17,160 --> 02:25:20,119
Speaker 18: and you were saying that we haven't had anything since then.

2575
02:25:20,080 --> 02:25:21,680
Speaker 14: Or at least that's the impression I got from you.

2576
02:25:21,959 --> 02:25:24,039
Speaker 14: And I was reading a book about that by from

2577
02:25:24,959 --> 02:25:28,320
Speaker 14: Leonard Moore, The Defeat of Black Power, and talks about

2578
02:25:28,360 --> 02:25:31,160
Speaker 14: that convention and in reading that, you know, when you

2579
02:25:31,280 --> 02:25:35,000
Speaker 14: talk about the black who sold out on the conservative side,

2580
02:25:35,480 --> 02:25:37,440
Speaker 14: you got just as many blacksm that sold out on

2581
02:25:37,480 --> 02:25:40,560
Speaker 14: the liberal side, who called them who sayd they are

2582
02:25:40,600 --> 02:25:43,160
Speaker 14: spokes people who are in the Democrat Party who are

2583
02:25:43,840 --> 02:25:45,640
Speaker 14: now in seventy two we were trying to get we

2584
02:25:45,720 --> 02:25:48,840
Speaker 14: were they were talking about having a black agenda, they

2585
02:25:48,879 --> 02:25:51,920
Speaker 14: were talking about having a black political party, a separate

2586
02:25:51,920 --> 02:25:54,720
Speaker 14: black party. Who poured a water, cold water on that,

2587
02:25:55,000 --> 02:26:00,280
Speaker 14: according to mister Moore, the black Jesse Jackson, the Black

2588
02:26:00,320 --> 02:26:02,800
Speaker 14: Congression of Black office since as it was at the time,

2589
02:26:03,920 --> 02:26:07,080
Speaker 14: Harold of with Stokes of the mayors.

2590
02:26:09,680 --> 02:26:11,000
Speaker 8: So you got this much.

2591
02:26:11,120 --> 02:26:12,840
Speaker 18: I mean, look, you want to talking about selling out,

2592
02:26:13,040 --> 02:26:16,959
Speaker 18: Let's talk about na a CP's first president, Joe Steingard,

2593
02:26:17,240 --> 02:26:20,880
Speaker 18: who was a spy for Army intelligence, who spired on

2594
02:26:21,000 --> 02:26:23,840
Speaker 18: the people in his own organization and informed on them.

2595
02:26:24,240 --> 02:26:27,280
Speaker 18: And yet to this day the NAACP High Award it's

2596
02:26:27,320 --> 02:26:29,000
Speaker 18: called what the Steingar Award.

2597
02:26:29,240 --> 02:26:30,160
Speaker 11: That's right, that's true.

2598
02:26:30,320 --> 02:26:33,520
Speaker 18: So you want to talk about selling out, man, the

2599
02:26:33,879 --> 02:26:37,280
Speaker 18: white folks, the white racist, the white collar structure has

2600
02:26:37,320 --> 02:26:40,680
Speaker 18: to seek for black people on the liberal side and

2601
02:26:40,760 --> 02:26:43,879
Speaker 18: the conservative side, we don't we like talking about.

2602
02:26:43,680 --> 02:26:47,240
Speaker 14: Clarence Thomas and we like one not Stephen. We have

2603
02:26:47,360 --> 02:26:49,400
Speaker 14: to talk about those, you know, those people.

2604
02:26:49,640 --> 02:26:51,400
Speaker 18: But let's talk about the ones on the on the

2605
02:26:51,480 --> 02:26:53,560
Speaker 18: so called liberal side, the nigga like you said, Jesse

2606
02:26:53,720 --> 02:26:54,720
Speaker 18: Jackson and so.

2607
02:26:54,800 --> 02:26:58,200
Speaker 14: By the negroes that cashed in that they come to

2608
02:26:58,280 --> 02:27:00,760
Speaker 14: do good and they stayed and they done quite well.

2609
02:27:01,480 --> 02:27:03,039
Speaker 4: Right, Let's give me a chance to response.

2610
02:27:03,120 --> 02:27:03,280
Speaker 1: Card.

2611
02:27:03,360 --> 02:27:04,240
Speaker 4: We've got a bunch of folks.

2612
02:27:05,959 --> 02:27:08,960
Speaker 9: I agree with him, and I appreciate the gentle correction. Yeah,

2613
02:27:09,160 --> 02:27:11,480
Speaker 9: but I did say it. You know, Gary would represent

2614
02:27:11,560 --> 02:27:15,960
Speaker 9: every perspective that means conservatives too, and so really what

2615
02:27:16,080 --> 02:27:19,560
Speaker 9: should have happened. People don't realize after King I have

2616
02:27:19,680 --> 02:27:22,480
Speaker 9: a Dream in sixty three and then killed in sixty eight,

2617
02:27:22,760 --> 02:27:27,200
Speaker 9: the next big black event is Gary. It's sixty three,

2618
02:27:27,360 --> 02:27:29,520
Speaker 9: is I have a dream? The next big black gathering

2619
02:27:29,600 --> 02:27:32,440
Speaker 9: of Black America is Gary in nineteen seventy two. And

2620
02:27:32,520 --> 02:27:35,400
Speaker 9: what I'm saying in agreement with the caller is for

2621
02:27:35,480 --> 02:27:40,560
Speaker 9: the past fifty three years, we should have been meeting

2622
02:27:41,000 --> 02:27:45,040
Speaker 9: every four years in a black convention around the country

2623
02:27:45,200 --> 02:27:48,120
Speaker 9: because Gary started in seventy two, but they kept trying

2624
02:27:48,200 --> 02:27:51,560
Speaker 9: up until about nineteen eighty one in Atlanta and in Philadelphia.

2625
02:27:51,600 --> 02:27:54,160
Speaker 9: They had subsequent meetings and they were trying to create

2626
02:27:54,200 --> 02:27:55,200
Speaker 9: an independent party.

2627
02:27:55,440 --> 02:27:56,720
Speaker 8: That was the reason for Gary.

2628
02:27:56,920 --> 02:28:00,160
Speaker 9: It was one, should we create a political party or

2629
02:28:00,240 --> 02:28:03,360
Speaker 9: two should we develop a black presidential strategy? And this

2630
02:28:03,480 --> 02:28:07,640
Speaker 9: is where Shirley Chisholm gets up and everybody celebrates Shirley Chisholm.

2631
02:28:07,680 --> 02:28:10,400
Speaker 9: I don't like She's a West Indian woman who came

2632
02:28:10,480 --> 02:28:13,320
Speaker 9: here and just disrespected the protocol and just gonna run

2633
02:28:13,400 --> 02:28:17,199
Speaker 9: for president without going through the men and the establishment

2634
02:28:17,280 --> 02:28:20,720
Speaker 9: democratic machine that was in place that even every man

2635
02:28:20,920 --> 02:28:22,600
Speaker 9: who won the run for president would have had to

2636
02:28:22,640 --> 02:28:26,040
Speaker 9: go through, undoubt and unbought. Well. She was one of

2637
02:28:26,120 --> 02:28:29,800
Speaker 9: the people who caused the distraction with Gary, and then

2638
02:28:29,879 --> 02:28:32,960
Speaker 9: Jesse Jackson was the other, and then Emmi Baraka was

2639
02:28:33,040 --> 02:28:37,680
Speaker 9: the third. The three headed monster at Gary is why

2640
02:28:37,800 --> 02:28:40,080
Speaker 9: we didn't. It is why we have not had meetings

2641
02:28:40,120 --> 02:28:42,800
Speaker 9: for the past fifty years. We should be meeting every

2642
02:28:43,080 --> 02:28:47,720
Speaker 9: four years for the past fifty years. And black conservatives,

2643
02:28:47,920 --> 02:28:52,480
Speaker 9: black gays, black trans black robots can get in there

2644
02:28:53,040 --> 02:28:55,600
Speaker 9: and give us some opinion, but when we walk out

2645
02:28:55,640 --> 02:28:58,160
Speaker 9: of that convention, we have to have a United Voice.

2646
02:28:58,200 --> 02:29:00,320
Speaker 9: That was the goal, and that could all of it

2647
02:29:00,520 --> 02:29:04,480
Speaker 9: conservativism as well, and there are good ideas. There are

2648
02:29:04,480 --> 02:29:07,840
Speaker 9: a lot of black folks who are probably socially conservative,

2649
02:29:08,680 --> 02:29:13,880
Speaker 9: morally conservative, you know, because of Black Christianity and Islam

2650
02:29:14,240 --> 02:29:18,400
Speaker 9: in our lives. Right, So conservativism is not you know,

2651
02:29:18,480 --> 02:29:23,280
Speaker 9: black's not anti conservative, but conservatives are anti black. And

2652
02:29:23,440 --> 02:29:25,320
Speaker 9: that's part of the problem, brother, that you have in

2653
02:29:25,520 --> 02:29:28,560
Speaker 9: trying to make equal the Black Republican and the I

2654
02:29:28,640 --> 02:29:31,800
Speaker 9: mean the black conservative in the black liberal is the

2655
02:29:31,840 --> 02:29:34,840
Speaker 9: black liberal ain't anti black. They may not be well

2656
02:29:34,879 --> 02:29:38,840
Speaker 9: informed ideologically, but they're not anti black. The black conservative

2657
02:29:38,959 --> 02:29:41,400
Speaker 9: is anti black, and they allow themselves to be used

2658
02:29:41,600 --> 02:29:42,560
Speaker 9: against black people.

2659
02:29:43,640 --> 02:29:46,160
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a good analysis right there. Twenty nine away

2660
02:29:46,160 --> 02:29:48,360
Speaker 1: from the top of the hour, Doctor James Taylor's I

2661
02:29:48,440 --> 02:29:50,320
Speaker 1: guess the family. If you've heard of me before. He's

2662
02:29:50,320 --> 02:29:54,520
Speaker 1: a black politics expert, teaches politics political science at the

2663
02:29:54,800 --> 02:29:57,080
Speaker 1: University of San Francisco. And we got to talk about

2664
02:29:57,120 --> 02:29:59,720
Speaker 1: San Francisco before we let you go, doctor Taylor. But

2665
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:03,320
Speaker 1: I got so people want to talk to you real

2666
02:30:03,480 --> 02:30:03,840
Speaker 1: real quick.

2667
02:30:03,879 --> 02:30:06,440
Speaker 9: I became the chair of the Department of Politics again,

2668
02:30:06,920 --> 02:30:09,080
Speaker 9: so I'm the chair of the Department of Politics at USF.

2669
02:30:09,200 --> 02:30:11,480
Speaker 9: Now starting oh like this week.

2670
02:30:12,240 --> 02:30:13,760
Speaker 1: Congratulations doctor Taylor.

2671
02:30:14,000 --> 02:30:14,920
Speaker 4: Good good.

2672
02:30:15,240 --> 02:30:17,360
Speaker 1: I know because you know, doctor Taylor, teacher, you mentioned

2673
02:30:17,400 --> 02:30:19,560
Speaker 1: the University San Francisco, and all students are trying to

2674
02:30:19,560 --> 02:30:21,600
Speaker 1: get any of these classes. If you're out there on

2675
02:30:21,640 --> 02:30:23,400
Speaker 1: the West coast, so you're think anybody going to college

2676
02:30:23,680 --> 02:30:26,400
Speaker 1: and there's a political science major, that's the school you

2677
02:30:26,440 --> 02:30:29,640
Speaker 1: should consider. Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy

2678
02:30:29,680 --> 02:30:32,120
Speaker 1: eight to seventy six. Thomas is in Baltimore has a

2679
02:30:32,200 --> 02:30:34,520
Speaker 1: question for you. He's on line five. Grand Rising Thomas.

2680
02:30:34,560 --> 02:30:40,119
Speaker 1: You're I'm with doctor Taylor's Thomas there on line five.

2681
02:30:41,760 --> 02:30:43,800
Speaker 8: Hey listen, Hey, good morning guys.

2682
02:30:43,800 --> 02:30:45,160
Speaker 10: How you doing great?

2683
02:30:46,879 --> 02:30:47,440
Speaker 8: Hey you listen.

2684
02:30:48,240 --> 02:30:52,240
Speaker 19: My comment is this, I understand what brother Allan's saying

2685
02:30:52,280 --> 02:30:55,920
Speaker 19: about Bill Cosby as if anybody ever decided to look

2686
02:30:55,959 --> 02:30:56,280
Speaker 19: into this.

2687
02:30:57,280 --> 02:30:59,240
Speaker 8: Two properties bill Cosby.

2688
02:30:58,959 --> 02:31:03,640
Speaker 19: Owned had some of the largest are reserves on One

2689
02:31:03,800 --> 02:31:08,280
Speaker 19: was in Massachusetts, one was in Pennsylvania. Some of the

2690
02:31:08,400 --> 02:31:12,040
Speaker 19: largest are reserves in the in those areas ran under

2691
02:31:12,120 --> 02:31:16,280
Speaker 19: those properties that Bill Cosby owned, in which some people

2692
02:31:16,360 --> 02:31:19,800
Speaker 19: tried to get him to sell his all his his

2693
02:31:19,920 --> 02:31:23,879
Speaker 19: property and he would not, which is why I believe,

2694
02:31:24,920 --> 02:31:29,920
Speaker 19: first of all, Bill Cosby's son in us was murdered

2695
02:31:30,440 --> 02:31:32,640
Speaker 19: because he would not play ball with these folks.

2696
02:31:33,040 --> 02:31:34,680
Speaker 8: If anybody ever decided to check into that.

2697
02:31:36,959 --> 02:31:38,560
Speaker 9: And I was there, I was down I lived down

2698
02:31:38,560 --> 02:31:40,800
Speaker 9: the street from where he got killed. I mean I

2699
02:31:41,080 --> 02:31:43,000
Speaker 9: literally down the street from when he got killed. I

2700
02:31:43,160 --> 02:31:45,240
Speaker 9: was in LA at that time by myself as a student.

2701
02:31:45,600 --> 02:31:46,360
Speaker 8: And I remember that.

2702
02:31:46,440 --> 02:31:49,080
Speaker 9: And remember that was a producer's wife, I mean daughter

2703
02:31:49,280 --> 02:31:51,360
Speaker 9: who came out naked in the in the first coat

2704
02:31:51,440 --> 02:31:54,120
Speaker 9: in the Jaguar, and she she and we don't know

2705
02:31:54,160 --> 02:31:57,040
Speaker 9: who she is, but the woman that was at the

2706
02:31:57,120 --> 02:31:59,400
Speaker 9: state in his Cosby. I mean, I don't want to get.

2707
02:31:59,280 --> 02:32:01,200
Speaker 4: Off on that, but let me share this with you

2708
02:32:01,560 --> 02:32:02,040
Speaker 4: and Thomas.

2709
02:32:02,080 --> 02:32:03,840
Speaker 1: I think if you call but the Cosby thing, you know,

2710
02:32:04,480 --> 02:32:06,400
Speaker 1: we know we're live on the air at that time,

2711
02:32:06,480 --> 02:32:08,440
Speaker 1: four o'clock in the morning, get a call from the

2712
02:32:08,560 --> 02:32:11,760
Speaker 1: l a p D. Wanted to know if if one day.

2713
02:32:12,200 --> 02:32:15,000
Speaker 1: First they wanted to know Stevie knew Bill Cosby, and

2714
02:32:15,720 --> 02:32:17,880
Speaker 1: then they said there's they found a body up on

2715
02:32:18,000 --> 02:32:20,040
Speaker 1: Marl Holland Drive and they wanted to know if it

2716
02:32:20,240 --> 02:32:22,119
Speaker 1: could have been the one of the contries.

2717
02:32:22,160 --> 02:32:22,560
Speaker 9: So you know.

2718
02:32:22,600 --> 02:32:25,119
Speaker 1: And I called him and I said, you know these cops.

2719
02:32:26,200 --> 02:32:29,000
Speaker 1: I'll say what he said, this cops thinking because with celebrities,

2720
02:32:29,040 --> 02:32:31,480
Speaker 1: we all know each other. Uh uh, And I tell

2721
02:32:31,520 --> 02:32:33,280
Speaker 1: them what the issue? He says, tell me, you didn't

2722
02:32:33,280 --> 02:32:33,520
Speaker 1: reach me.

2723
02:32:33,600 --> 02:32:34,440
Speaker 4: So that was it.

2724
02:32:34,840 --> 02:32:36,960
Speaker 1: But then they called back later after they had the

2725
02:32:37,040 --> 02:32:40,000
Speaker 1: confirmation that it was a Cosby son, And so we

2726
02:32:40,120 --> 02:32:41,960
Speaker 1: were on one of the first ones to actually break

2727
02:32:42,000 --> 02:32:44,000
Speaker 1: the news because they were they were trying the LAPD

2728
02:32:44,160 --> 02:32:46,320
Speaker 1: was trying to get with us to figure out if

2729
02:32:46,360 --> 02:32:48,680
Speaker 1: the Cosby had a son and he was driving uh

2730
02:32:48,800 --> 02:32:51,800
Speaker 1: an expensive Mercedes on Marl Holland Drive because they have

2731
02:32:51,840 --> 02:32:54,400
Speaker 1: found him dead. But you're right, that woman has disappeared,

2732
02:32:54,440 --> 02:32:56,400
Speaker 1: and there's this whole kind of things and that that

2733
02:32:56,480 --> 02:32:58,720
Speaker 1: whole story is just just gone away.

2734
02:32:59,120 --> 02:33:02,240
Speaker 9: But and then, if you remember, none of the major

2735
02:33:02,320 --> 02:33:06,040
Speaker 9: newspapers in America would publish the article that uh, that

2736
02:33:06,240 --> 02:33:10,320
Speaker 9: Camille Cosby wrote called America taught my Son's killer to hate.

2737
02:33:10,720 --> 02:33:15,040
Speaker 9: No major publication would publish it except Jet Magazine, just

2738
02:33:15,160 --> 02:33:18,800
Speaker 9: like EDMT till nobody would publish that picture except Jet Magazine.

2739
02:33:19,160 --> 02:33:23,600
Speaker 9: And when they did publish the article by mss Cosby, Uh,

2740
02:33:23,920 --> 02:33:28,320
Speaker 9: she said Michael MARCUSV who was from Ukraine. Uh didn't

2741
02:33:28,400 --> 02:33:31,360
Speaker 9: learn hate in the Eastern Europe of black people. He

2742
02:33:31,520 --> 02:33:34,160
Speaker 9: came to America and the first word he learned was

2743
02:33:34,240 --> 02:33:36,440
Speaker 9: the N word. And we know we old enough to

2744
02:33:36,480 --> 02:33:39,080
Speaker 9: remember Richard Pryor says, when you come to America, the

2745
02:33:39,120 --> 02:33:40,800
Speaker 9: first what you got to say is the N word.

2746
02:33:41,120 --> 02:33:43,000
Speaker 9: And if you, if you, if you, and he said,

2747
02:33:43,000 --> 02:33:44,959
Speaker 9: if you get your a whooped, you know you made

2748
02:33:45,000 --> 02:33:47,560
Speaker 9: it because somebody gonna get you for using it. But

2749
02:33:47,840 --> 02:33:49,400
Speaker 9: you know, I want to get back to Stephen A. Smith.

2750
02:33:49,480 --> 02:33:52,560
Speaker 9: Sellout because this is this is going to be. He's

2751
02:33:52,680 --> 02:33:56,440
Speaker 9: going to impose himself and these white folks behind him

2752
02:33:56,520 --> 02:34:00,160
Speaker 9: are going to allow this foolishness. Stephen A. Smith, I'm

2753
02:34:00,160 --> 02:34:04,200
Speaker 9: not Stephen A. Smith has no ideas. He's just reacting

2754
02:34:04,320 --> 02:34:07,400
Speaker 9: every day, getting on the microphone, running his mouth, talking

2755
02:34:07,480 --> 02:34:10,119
Speaker 9: about current events. He's like a dumb student of mine

2756
02:34:10,560 --> 02:34:13,680
Speaker 9: who who were having one conversation in class and it's

2757
02:34:13,760 --> 02:34:16,640
Speaker 9: idiot's on another one. So we talking about a he

2758
02:34:16,800 --> 02:34:19,080
Speaker 9: talking about bet that's Stephen A. Smith and Stephen A.

2759
02:34:19,160 --> 02:34:22,080
Speaker 9: Smith out of nowhere. Recently, all of a sudden, got

2760
02:34:22,120 --> 02:34:25,080
Speaker 9: a new microphone and just turned straight to politics, and

2761
02:34:25,200 --> 02:34:31,520
Speaker 9: he started out attacking black women. He going after Jasmine Crockett, right,

2762
02:34:31,800 --> 02:34:38,280
Speaker 9: He going after the Congressional Black Caucus, you know. And

2763
02:34:38,800 --> 02:34:42,120
Speaker 9: the sad thing about stephen A. Smith is black folk

2764
02:34:42,160 --> 02:34:44,240
Speaker 9: were the ones and the black culture and the black style.

2765
02:34:44,320 --> 02:34:47,199
Speaker 9: Here Nicki Minaja doing the same thing. They use black

2766
02:34:47,280 --> 02:34:51,800
Speaker 9: culture to become wealthy individuals and then they turning on

2767
02:34:51,959 --> 02:34:55,400
Speaker 9: it to please white people to say, yes's the boss.

2768
02:34:55,879 --> 02:34:57,920
Speaker 9: Keep on giving me that money, and I'll keep on

2769
02:34:58,120 --> 02:35:01,920
Speaker 9: playing the zip coon for you. Stephen A. Smith is

2770
02:35:02,000 --> 02:35:05,520
Speaker 9: playing zip kuon and so is Nicki Minaj's and it's

2771
02:35:05,560 --> 02:35:08,600
Speaker 9: a betrayal of the black community. But they use the

2772
02:35:08,720 --> 02:35:11,680
Speaker 9: culture and you gotta google image zip kuon. He's an

2773
02:35:11,879 --> 02:35:18,320
Speaker 9: ugly man, raggedy clothes, ugly face, ragged fingers, ripped up shoes,

2774
02:35:18,680 --> 02:35:22,920
Speaker 9: torn up pants, torn up clothes. Zip Kuon was a caricature.

2775
02:35:24,000 --> 02:35:25,959
Speaker 9: And that's what Nicki Minaj is because if you took

2776
02:35:26,000 --> 02:35:29,480
Speaker 9: off the blonde hair, the makeup, tip off the bbl

2777
02:35:29,959 --> 02:35:32,240
Speaker 9: all you got there is little onaka Petty.

2778
02:35:33,720 --> 02:35:34,760
Speaker 4: All right, and hold up though.

2779
02:35:34,760 --> 02:35:36,760
Speaker 1: Right there, we got to take our last break, doctor Taylor,

2780
02:35:36,760 --> 02:35:38,280
Speaker 1: and I still got a bunch of folks and tweet

2781
02:35:38,360 --> 02:35:40,680
Speaker 1: questions for you. Twenty three minutes away from the top.

2782
02:35:40,760 --> 02:35:41,320
Speaker 4: They have family.

2783
02:35:41,400 --> 02:35:43,680
Speaker 1: I guess there's doctor Taylor. Doctor Taylor is a black

2784
02:35:43,760 --> 02:35:45,520
Speaker 1: politics ex ray. Do you like to join the line?

2785
02:35:45,560 --> 02:35:47,640
Speaker 1: You're like speak to him, reach out to us a

2786
02:35:47,720 --> 02:35:51,120
Speaker 1: telephone number simple, it's eight hundred four five zero seventy

2787
02:35:51,160 --> 02:35:53,600
Speaker 1: eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls next

2788
02:35:53,760 --> 02:35:56,080
Speaker 1: and Grand Rising family, thanks for sticking with us on

2789
02:35:56,160 --> 02:35:58,280
Speaker 1: this Monday morning. I guess it is doctor James Taylor

2790
02:35:58,280 --> 02:36:00,080
Speaker 1: from the University of San Franciscos. It makes you a

2791
02:36:00,120 --> 02:36:03,680
Speaker 1: bunch of folks still speak to doctor Taylor and also

2792
02:36:03,800 --> 02:36:05,640
Speaker 1: gess a tweet question. So I'm trying to get to

2793
02:36:05,720 --> 02:36:07,600
Speaker 1: as many as positive he can shut up around the response.

2794
02:36:07,720 --> 02:36:09,720
Speaker 1: I really appreciated doctor Taylor because we got to talk

2795
02:36:09,720 --> 02:36:14,360
Speaker 1: about uh San Francisco and also what the city council

2796
02:36:14,400 --> 02:36:16,960
Speaker 1: did on reparations. Rick's reaching out to us, Rix and

2797
02:36:17,040 --> 02:36:19,640
Speaker 1: Laurel Maryland's online three Grand Rising and Rick, you're on

2798
02:36:19,720 --> 02:36:20,400
Speaker 1: with doctor Taylor.

2799
02:36:22,280 --> 02:36:25,720
Speaker 17: Grand he is a taste here Morning Time with Jama

2800
02:36:26,040 --> 02:36:29,560
Speaker 17: with Jama said, yeah, by Gane gook here doctor Taylor,

2801
02:36:29,600 --> 02:36:33,880
Speaker 17: you on it, man, look real clear Donnie Simpson has

2802
02:36:33,959 --> 02:36:36,520
Speaker 17: a new podcast out, and uh, he was on there

2803
02:36:36,560 --> 02:36:38,879
Speaker 17: talking to Sry Shrry Foster, whatever the name.

2804
02:36:38,920 --> 02:36:39,040
Speaker 9: Man.

2805
02:36:39,240 --> 02:36:42,240
Speaker 17: They were reminiscent about the video Soul Days, and he

2806
02:36:42,720 --> 02:36:46,240
Speaker 17: he was telling the story about when Martina Navratulova and

2807
02:36:46,760 --> 02:36:51,080
Speaker 17: Billy Jane King flew he and Sugar Ray Leonard out

2808
02:36:51,120 --> 02:36:53,800
Speaker 17: to some tennis event. Uh uh some I guess it

2809
02:36:53,879 --> 02:36:56,520
Speaker 17: was a gayla or something. And at the table there

2810
02:36:56,680 --> 02:37:00,680
Speaker 17: was it was the richest guy that trying to play

2811
02:37:00,720 --> 02:37:03,039
Speaker 17: as a woman. And you know, a lot of people

2812
02:37:03,080 --> 02:37:05,800
Speaker 17: at the table. He knew everybody, but he didn't know

2813
02:37:06,200 --> 02:37:08,600
Speaker 17: who Bill Cosby was. He said, I'm sorry, so I

2814
02:37:08,640 --> 02:37:11,600
Speaker 17: don't know who you are, and Bill Cosby said, he's good.

2815
02:37:11,680 --> 02:37:15,120
Speaker 17: Bill Cosby said, or my wife loved you. But the

2816
02:37:15,200 --> 02:37:18,199
Speaker 17: point of matter, this guy's cappin. I was I wish

2817
02:37:18,640 --> 02:37:21,440
Speaker 17: Sugar Ray had a box eight ls boxing glove just

2818
02:37:21,480 --> 02:37:24,039
Speaker 17: gave him a body check. But saying he didn't know who.

2819
02:37:26,200 --> 02:37:27,760
Speaker 9: Cody Cosby was sitting at.

2820
02:37:27,720 --> 02:37:31,720
Speaker 17: That table, that's absolutely ridiculous, man, Donnie needed to stop capping.

2821
02:37:31,879 --> 02:37:34,400
Speaker 17: But anyway, why is he hanging out with those folks? Anyway,

2822
02:37:35,440 --> 02:37:37,960
Speaker 17: Marxina Nava was a little Billy, Jean King and Renee

2823
02:37:38,120 --> 02:37:41,840
Speaker 17: Richard and Shogar Ray with him. That's all I got that.

2824
02:37:42,040 --> 02:37:44,720
Speaker 17: Donnie just capping, man, it's Donny's new podcast.

2825
02:37:45,040 --> 02:37:48,920
Speaker 9: Have a good I mean we said this with when

2826
02:37:48,959 --> 02:37:51,720
Speaker 9: we see this with with Latinos and Asians in the

2827
02:37:51,800 --> 02:37:54,280
Speaker 9: twenty twenty four election, right, a lot of you know,

2828
02:37:54,560 --> 02:37:59,160
Speaker 9: Latinos and Asians sold out to be approximate or adjacent

2829
02:37:59,280 --> 02:38:03,560
Speaker 9: to white witness and they celebrated it, you know, and

2830
02:38:03,800 --> 02:38:07,760
Speaker 9: until the backfight. And that's what's going on now, all.

2831
02:38:07,720 --> 02:38:10,520
Speaker 1: Right, sixteen away from the top there, Ken's calling from

2832
02:38:10,560 --> 02:38:13,240
Speaker 1: Florida's online One Grand Rise from Kenyon on with doctor

2833
02:38:13,320 --> 02:38:15,640
Speaker 1: Taylor Grand Rising.

2834
02:38:15,800 --> 02:38:20,320
Speaker 8: Thank you for taking my car. Doctor. You know, I

2835
02:38:20,440 --> 02:38:21,720
Speaker 8: did some research.

2836
02:38:21,440 --> 02:38:27,519
Speaker 20: Last night and black people are last in academic achievement

2837
02:38:27,800 --> 02:38:33,400
Speaker 20: among the children. We are last in housing ownership, we

2838
02:38:33,520 --> 02:38:35,360
Speaker 20: are last in healthcare.

2839
02:38:37,760 --> 02:38:40,240
Speaker 6: So I would I called to.

2840
02:38:40,320 --> 02:38:44,600
Speaker 20: Say this, uh, and we're going to continue that. We're

2841
02:38:44,720 --> 02:38:49,840
Speaker 20: last and income. We're going to continue that until we

2842
02:38:50,120 --> 02:38:55,360
Speaker 20: understand what Malcolm X meant that land is the basis

2843
02:38:55,600 --> 02:39:00,960
Speaker 20: of independence and that a real revolution a real revolutionary

2844
02:39:01,400 --> 02:39:05,480
Speaker 20: wants land to set up his own nation. And he

2845
02:39:05,680 --> 02:39:08,600
Speaker 20: goes through in his speech, he goes through like what

2846
02:39:08,879 --> 02:39:13,320
Speaker 20: was the American revolution for land? The French revolution? Okay,

2847
02:39:14,080 --> 02:39:18,519
Speaker 20: So I think as long as we keep our objectives

2848
02:39:19,680 --> 02:39:25,920
Speaker 20: as focused on the political process and integrating into this

2849
02:39:26,280 --> 02:39:31,120
Speaker 20: progress process, we are going to remain in the conditions

2850
02:39:31,600 --> 02:39:37,080
Speaker 20: that we are in until we understand. Even the reparation people,

2851
02:39:37,400 --> 02:39:40,240
Speaker 20: I don't hear them talking about land. I hear a

2852
02:39:40,360 --> 02:39:44,320
Speaker 20: few talking about land as being a part of the

2853
02:39:44,760 --> 02:39:46,520
Speaker 20: reparations that we should get.

2854
02:39:47,280 --> 02:39:47,600
Speaker 6: And so.

2855
02:39:49,360 --> 02:39:49,879
Speaker 8: That's all I.

2856
02:39:49,959 --> 02:39:52,920
Speaker 20: Wanted to say. Land is the basis of independence and

2857
02:39:53,040 --> 02:39:55,720
Speaker 20: it would stop some of these issues that we have.

2858
02:39:56,240 --> 02:39:56,520
Speaker 8: Thank you.

2859
02:39:58,440 --> 02:40:01,520
Speaker 9: I don't agree completely with Malcolm on that, because Malcolm

2860
02:40:01,600 --> 02:40:05,000
Speaker 9: is not acknowledging seriously the American situation of black people

2861
02:40:05,160 --> 02:40:08,400
Speaker 9: as a minority. Land is the basis of independence. Of

2862
02:40:08,480 --> 02:40:12,320
Speaker 9: you the majority, but if you're a minority, Land is

2863
02:40:12,400 --> 02:40:14,840
Speaker 9: not going to get you independence. There's no example of it.

2864
02:40:15,520 --> 02:40:18,880
Speaker 9: The Irish were enslaved for seven hundred years under the British.

2865
02:40:20,879 --> 02:40:21,040
Speaker 3: You know.

2866
02:40:22,080 --> 02:40:26,440
Speaker 9: In fact, we should be talking about minority rights and

2867
02:40:26,560 --> 02:40:28,920
Speaker 9: the rights that minorities have in a racist society. We

2868
02:40:28,959 --> 02:40:31,200
Speaker 9: should have special rights, We should have all kinds of

2869
02:40:31,240 --> 02:40:33,920
Speaker 9: special rights to protect us we'll give you an example, Caul.

2870
02:40:34,160 --> 02:40:36,000
Speaker 9: If you look at the origin of guns in Europe

2871
02:40:36,240 --> 02:40:39,960
Speaker 9: in the sixteenth and seventeenth century, the initial rights to

2872
02:40:40,080 --> 02:40:45,840
Speaker 9: bear arms was for minorities, religious minorities like the Protestants

2873
02:40:45,920 --> 02:40:48,280
Speaker 9: in some countries and Catholics and other countries. Depending if

2874
02:40:48,320 --> 02:40:51,320
Speaker 9: they were a minority, they had gun rights, not the majority.

2875
02:40:51,560 --> 02:40:56,200
Speaker 9: Why does the majority need gun rights? The minorities need

2876
02:40:56,280 --> 02:41:00,440
Speaker 9: gun rights to protect ourselves from the majority. In a

2877
02:41:00,680 --> 02:41:04,360
Speaker 9: just system, America would acknowledge the wrong it's done. But

2878
02:41:04,520 --> 02:41:11,680
Speaker 9: you got a white of rebel in history who refuses

2879
02:41:11,800 --> 02:41:14,880
Speaker 9: to share the wealth with everybody. So we last in

2880
02:41:14,959 --> 02:41:18,640
Speaker 9: this area, we'll last in that area. Well, truth is,

2881
02:41:20,000 --> 02:41:24,680
Speaker 9: you know we're in a predicament. And fortunately that's not

2882
02:41:24,959 --> 02:41:28,200
Speaker 9: one side fits all across Black America because there are

2883
02:41:28,240 --> 02:41:31,000
Speaker 9: plenty of places where black people and young people are

2884
02:41:31,120 --> 02:41:34,119
Speaker 9: thriving and doing well. We just don't get the publicity

2885
02:41:34,480 --> 02:41:39,280
Speaker 9: around them. All kinds of For example, if you go

2886
02:41:39,400 --> 02:41:43,959
Speaker 9: to AAU track, not basketball. If you go to AAU

2887
02:41:44,160 --> 02:41:48,480
Speaker 9: track as a black person and watch the track event

2888
02:41:48,879 --> 02:41:51,720
Speaker 9: from seven in the morning till about five in the evening,

2889
02:41:52,200 --> 02:41:57,119
Speaker 9: you're going to see grandmother's, grandfather's mother's father's uncles, cousins,

2890
02:41:57,160 --> 02:42:01,080
Speaker 9: all black rooting for one child, and they'll spend eight

2891
02:42:01,200 --> 02:42:04,120
Speaker 9: hours waiting for that child to run a five second

2892
02:42:04,200 --> 02:42:08,000
Speaker 9: to ten second race. In other words, if black people

2893
02:42:08,800 --> 02:42:12,200
Speaker 9: went to see AAU track, they would have much more

2894
02:42:12,280 --> 02:42:14,600
Speaker 9: hope in their young people because they would see young

2895
02:42:14,720 --> 02:42:18,800
Speaker 9: girls all beauty fired up, like the sister of Chikai Richardson.

2896
02:42:19,000 --> 02:42:22,120
Speaker 9: She comes from this, you know. And all the little

2897
02:42:22,160 --> 02:42:25,760
Speaker 9: girls when they run, they always flashy, They got extra hair,

2898
02:42:25,959 --> 02:42:30,880
Speaker 9: extra racing. You know, the nails like flow Joe that.

2899
02:42:31,040 --> 02:42:31,200
Speaker 4: You know.

2900
02:42:31,480 --> 02:42:34,680
Speaker 9: The girls are a style when they race, but they race,

2901
02:42:34,760 --> 02:42:37,360
Speaker 9: they run. The boys don't get dressed up. The boys

2902
02:42:37,480 --> 02:42:40,440
Speaker 9: just run right. My point to you, call is most

2903
02:42:40,520 --> 02:42:44,560
Speaker 9: black people have no idea that if you went to

2904
02:42:44,640 --> 02:42:47,880
Speaker 9: AAU track you would see a positive black world of

2905
02:42:48,160 --> 02:42:52,600
Speaker 9: hundreds of Black people, thousands of them standing behind their

2906
02:42:52,680 --> 02:42:56,800
Speaker 9: children for all day for one minute race or one

2907
02:42:56,879 --> 02:43:00,720
Speaker 9: minute shot put or you know five foot long jump,

2908
02:43:00,879 --> 02:43:04,720
Speaker 9: I mean a five second long jump. And there are

2909
02:43:04,760 --> 02:43:07,040
Speaker 9: black people that volunteer for these kinds of things. So

2910
02:43:07,360 --> 02:43:09,400
Speaker 9: if you're feeling hopeless, I'm saying to you, as a

2911
02:43:09,440 --> 02:43:12,520
Speaker 9: Black person about our youth, go to an AU track

2912
02:43:12,600 --> 02:43:15,400
Speaker 9: event and then call me or me, I mean email

2913
02:43:15,480 --> 02:43:17,160
Speaker 9: me and tell me if you don't see a different,

2914
02:43:17,360 --> 02:43:20,039
Speaker 9: different future for our people. You go to au Track

2915
02:43:20,080 --> 02:43:22,200
Speaker 9: and you're gonna see hope. You're gonna see young girls

2916
02:43:22,240 --> 02:43:25,000
Speaker 9: and young boys racing to win and win in life.

2917
02:43:25,200 --> 02:43:28,000
Speaker 9: So don't let these devils convince us that the sky

2918
02:43:28,200 --> 02:43:30,120
Speaker 9: is falling. The sky has been falling on us for

2919
02:43:30,200 --> 02:43:32,720
Speaker 9: five hundred years, and we've been strong enough to keep

2920
02:43:32,720 --> 02:43:33,560
Speaker 9: it from crushing us.

2921
02:43:35,120 --> 02:43:36,600
Speaker 1: All right, hold up the right there. I want you

2922
02:43:36,680 --> 02:43:39,600
Speaker 1: to inform us what happened in your city, San Francisco.

2923
02:43:39,959 --> 02:43:42,160
Speaker 1: We know the lights are out last week and other

2924
02:43:42,240 --> 02:43:44,400
Speaker 1: guys are getting a lot of rain, but also the

2925
02:43:44,480 --> 02:43:47,120
Speaker 1: city council is past the reparations man to share that

2926
02:43:47,160 --> 02:43:47,440
Speaker 1: with us.

2927
02:43:47,520 --> 02:43:51,680
Speaker 9: Thought, Yeah, that's really interesting because on one hand, I'm

2928
02:43:51,720 --> 02:43:54,560
Speaker 9: excited because I was. If you look up the Reparations Committee,

2929
02:43:54,760 --> 02:43:57,560
Speaker 9: I'm the first person in the out of twelve people,

2930
02:43:57,560 --> 02:44:01,640
Speaker 9: I'm in seat number one of the sky seat, and

2931
02:44:01,760 --> 02:44:07,320
Speaker 9: that everybody from the reparations committee represented like homelessness, incarcerated persons, elders,

2932
02:44:07,720 --> 02:44:10,880
Speaker 9: somebody representing foster care. So the committee had all these

2933
02:44:10,920 --> 02:44:13,600
Speaker 9: different kinds of people on it. Basically lent him Breed

2934
02:44:13,680 --> 02:44:16,760
Speaker 9: and Joe Biden and Gavin Newsom killed reparations in the

2935
02:44:16,840 --> 02:44:20,120
Speaker 9: twenty four election because they didn't wanted to backfire and

2936
02:44:20,200 --> 02:44:24,520
Speaker 9: cause more white rage and more Democrats to withdraw themselves.

2937
02:44:25,080 --> 02:44:29,520
Speaker 9: But what happened is the original person's a sponsor.

2938
02:44:29,879 --> 02:44:29,959
Speaker 6: Then.

2939
02:44:30,000 --> 02:44:30,600
Speaker 8: Don't get me wrong.

2940
02:44:30,640 --> 02:44:33,480
Speaker 9: The idea of reparations in San Francisco came from Amos Brown,

2941
02:44:34,120 --> 02:44:36,840
Speaker 9: Reverend Amos Brown a third Baptist church. He just retired

2942
02:44:37,080 --> 02:44:40,640
Speaker 9: from the church as pastor and ahead of the NACP

2943
02:44:41,120 --> 02:44:45,000
Speaker 9: in San Francisco. But it was his idea originally, long

2944
02:44:45,040 --> 02:44:49,800
Speaker 9: story short, we thought we were defeated. They ended our committee.

2945
02:44:49,840 --> 02:44:53,560
Speaker 9: But out of nowhere Shaman Walton, who was a congress

2946
02:44:53,720 --> 02:44:57,040
Speaker 9: of a city councilman from the Hunter's Point section of

2947
02:44:57,560 --> 02:45:04,000
Speaker 9: black San Francisco. He founded a parliamentary mechanism to put

2948
02:45:04,080 --> 02:45:07,080
Speaker 9: forth an ordinance that could be voted on by the

2949
02:45:07,160 --> 02:45:09,160
Speaker 9: city and it was voted on by a committee and

2950
02:45:09,640 --> 02:45:11,480
Speaker 9: put on the Mayor's desk and the mayor's signed it.

2951
02:45:12,280 --> 02:45:15,879
Speaker 9: But here's the problem called when Gavin Newsom was mayor

2952
02:45:15,920 --> 02:45:19,520
Speaker 9: of San Francisco, we had a thing called the Slavery

2953
02:45:19,600 --> 02:45:23,199
Speaker 9: Disclosure ordinance. So if anybody looks up San Francisco sd

2954
02:45:23,400 --> 02:45:26,840
Speaker 9: O Slavery Disclose Your Ordinance, they're going to see that

2955
02:45:27,040 --> 02:45:29,760
Speaker 9: it's an annual report since two thousand and six. For

2956
02:45:29,800 --> 02:45:32,400
Speaker 9: the last nineteen years, I was on that committee and

2957
02:45:32,560 --> 02:45:36,160
Speaker 9: on the Reparations Committee, and that committee the sdo OH

2958
02:45:36,240 --> 02:45:39,640
Speaker 9: in it is ordinance. What they did in San Francisco

2959
02:45:39,760 --> 02:45:42,039
Speaker 9: this week is no different. It's just an ordinance. It's

2960
02:45:42,080 --> 02:45:45,240
Speaker 9: not a law, it's not a rule, it's not a policy.

2961
02:45:45,560 --> 02:45:49,760
Speaker 9: It's an ordinance that's not enforceable. So the original ordinance

2962
02:45:49,800 --> 02:45:52,199
Speaker 9: of two thousand and six is called the Slavery Disclosure Ordinance.

2963
02:45:52,760 --> 02:45:56,320
Speaker 9: We so every company that comes into San Francisco that

2964
02:45:56,400 --> 02:45:59,480
Speaker 9: has any ties of slavery historically has to self report.

2965
02:46:00,000 --> 02:46:03,640
Speaker 9: If you go on the city Administrator's website, you'll see

2966
02:46:03,680 --> 02:46:06,880
Speaker 9: the Slavery Disclosure Ordinance listed, and you'll see all the

2967
02:46:07,040 --> 02:46:11,080
Speaker 9: companies in San Francisco who admit they had some part

2968
02:46:11,160 --> 02:46:14,560
Speaker 9: in slavery. For example, Bank of America admits that they

2969
02:46:14,560 --> 02:46:18,840
Speaker 9: had owned about nineteen different companies and banks and insurance

2970
02:46:18,879 --> 02:46:22,920
Speaker 9: companies that engage in slavery. So then what the Slavery

2971
02:46:22,959 --> 02:46:26,520
Speaker 9: Disclosure Ordinance of two thousand and six said okay, put

2972
02:46:26,600 --> 02:46:29,080
Speaker 9: some money in the fund voluntarily. We're not going to

2973
02:46:29,160 --> 02:46:32,600
Speaker 9: force you to, but voluntarily. Well, it's been nineteen years

2974
02:46:32,680 --> 02:46:34,680
Speaker 9: and I don't know if anybody's ever put any money

2975
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Speaker 9: in it. So basically, what this new ordinance is is

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02:46:37,560 --> 02:46:40,160
Speaker 9: that it's redundant. And that's what I told them. This

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02:46:40,280 --> 02:46:42,960
Speaker 9: is redundant what we did in two thousand and six.

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02:46:43,080 --> 02:46:46,280
Speaker 9: Because again, when you open the reparations package from twenty

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02:46:46,360 --> 02:46:50,240
Speaker 9: twenty three, you're going to see on the first page

2980
02:46:50,600 --> 02:46:53,560
Speaker 9: is the mention of the two thousand and six Slavery

2981
02:46:53,600 --> 02:46:56,320
Speaker 9: Disclosure Ordinance. So what I'm saying is this is just

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02:46:56,480 --> 02:47:01,959
Speaker 9: another ordinance. The difference is the first one was volunteer,

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02:47:02,240 --> 02:47:04,800
Speaker 9: so if Bank of America or US Bank or Wells

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02:47:04,879 --> 02:47:09,560
Speaker 9: Fargo wanted to give, they could. This new ordinance says

2985
02:47:10,440 --> 02:47:13,160
Speaker 9: you can't give if you want to. But there's also

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02:47:13,360 --> 02:47:19,360
Speaker 9: a government angle where government will invest in this fund.

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02:47:19,680 --> 02:47:22,520
Speaker 9: So that's the genius of it is to get it

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02:47:22,680 --> 02:47:26,840
Speaker 9: into the bureaucracy. Once you get it into the apparatus

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02:47:26,879 --> 02:47:30,280
Speaker 9: of government at the city level, now ain't nobody gonna

2990
02:47:30,280 --> 02:47:32,320
Speaker 9: be watching it. Just like a slavery disclosing the ordinance.

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02:47:32,480 --> 02:47:34,520
Speaker 9: For all I know, I could have nineteen million dollars

2992
02:47:34,560 --> 02:47:37,360
Speaker 9: in it. I ain't never checked, right, So my point

2993
02:47:37,480 --> 02:47:40,840
Speaker 9: is what the key is now and that can work

2994
02:47:40,879 --> 02:47:43,920
Speaker 9: both ways. That could be good. In other words, what

2995
02:47:44,120 --> 02:47:47,400
Speaker 9: we did this time is got it into government. It's

2996
02:47:47,440 --> 02:47:50,920
Speaker 9: been passed into government, so it exists in government now

2997
02:47:51,200 --> 02:47:55,599
Speaker 9: when ain't nobody watching Black people of Shaman, Walton.

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02:47:55,320 --> 02:47:55,760
Speaker 17: And other.

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Speaker 9: Allies have to sneak money in that one. We fund

3000
02:48:00,480 --> 02:48:02,560
Speaker 9: that front and ain't nobody gonna be watching it? So

3001
02:48:02,640 --> 02:48:05,200
Speaker 9: they canna put fifty million dollars in that front and

3002
02:48:05,320 --> 02:48:08,320
Speaker 9: then distribute it out to the black community elders first,

3003
02:48:08,440 --> 02:48:10,240
Speaker 9: and that's what you know. I hope they do. Hope

3004
02:48:10,240 --> 02:48:13,879
Speaker 9: they put me on that committee because I definitely would

3005
02:48:14,720 --> 02:48:17,840
Speaker 9: encourage us to, you know, raise the money and give

3006
02:48:17,879 --> 02:48:19,960
Speaker 9: it to the elderly first and then and then to

3007
02:48:20,080 --> 02:48:21,720
Speaker 9: young people and things of that sort. But we do

3008
02:48:22,360 --> 02:48:27,080
Speaker 9: have a new ordinance in San Francisco that does recognize

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02:48:27,160 --> 02:48:31,880
Speaker 9: reparations for Black Americans and the question is, you know,

3010
02:48:32,400 --> 02:48:35,440
Speaker 9: can we get them, Can we get the account attached

3011
02:48:35,480 --> 02:48:38,560
Speaker 9: to the ordnance funded? And if we can, then we won.

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02:48:40,080 --> 02:48:40,400
Speaker 4: All right.

3013
02:48:40,480 --> 02:48:43,160
Speaker 1: Five away from the top there Mike's on in DC. Mike,

3014
02:48:43,200 --> 02:48:45,600
Speaker 1: can you make you a question for doctor doctor Taylor

3015
02:48:45,640 --> 02:48:51,320
Speaker 1: real quick? For us, it's Mike downline too.

3016
02:48:51,800 --> 02:48:52,440
Speaker 4: Not hear Mike?

3017
02:48:52,760 --> 02:48:55,320
Speaker 1: All right, doctor, let me just read one of tweet questions.

3018
02:48:55,400 --> 02:48:58,600
Speaker 1: Tweeter says, please ask doctor Taylor, why don't the various

3019
02:48:58,720 --> 02:49:01,760
Speaker 1: black think tanks in this country have an annual convention

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02:49:01,959 --> 02:49:04,240
Speaker 1: for agreements on action plans for blacks?

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02:49:05,080 --> 02:49:08,360
Speaker 9: And that's what that's what's needed. That's what Gary, That's

3022
02:49:08,400 --> 02:49:13,120
Speaker 9: what Gary was. Jesse ruined it, Shirley Chisholm runed it,

3023
02:49:13,440 --> 02:49:15,440
Speaker 9: and the Mary Baraka ruined it again. A lot of

3024
02:49:15,480 --> 02:49:18,400
Speaker 9: black women love Shirley Chisholm, unbowed and none bought. But

3025
02:49:18,520 --> 02:49:21,560
Speaker 9: that attitude took one third of the you know, just

3026
02:49:21,640 --> 02:49:27,000
Speaker 9: became divisive. And then Jesse with an afro talking about

3027
02:49:27,000 --> 02:49:29,680
Speaker 9: I don't want no Democrat, I don't want no Republicans.

3028
02:49:29,800 --> 02:49:32,720
Speaker 9: I want a Black political party. That's what Jesse said.

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02:49:33,480 --> 02:49:37,000
Speaker 9: He said, I want a Black political party. And Richard

3030
02:49:37,040 --> 02:49:40,120
Speaker 9: Hatcher and Diggs and all the other black congressmen and

3031
02:49:40,240 --> 02:49:43,640
Speaker 9: women are there, and then Jesse runs right to McGovern's

3032
02:49:43,720 --> 02:49:46,560
Speaker 9: campaign and we've been stuck in the Democratic Party ever since.

3033
02:49:46,760 --> 02:49:51,000
Speaker 9: If Jesse goes independent. In nineteen eighty four, we didn't

3034
02:49:51,000 --> 02:49:55,240
Speaker 9: have an independent black political party called the Rainbow Coalition Party,

3035
02:49:55,480 --> 02:49:58,760
Speaker 9: and that's the same party that elected Barack Obama in

3036
02:49:59,080 --> 02:50:02,519
Speaker 9: to office. You took out the Rainbow from the Democrats,

3037
02:50:02,720 --> 02:50:05,560
Speaker 9: all you got is two racist white parties in America.

3038
02:50:05,840 --> 02:50:08,800
Speaker 9: What makes the Democrats less racist is the presence of

3039
02:50:08,879 --> 02:50:09,480
Speaker 9: blacks in it.

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02:50:11,800 --> 02:50:14,720
Speaker 1: And that is something to ponder. Doctor Taylor. When's your

3041
02:50:14,760 --> 02:50:16,320
Speaker 1: book coming out? Your next book?

3042
02:50:16,560 --> 02:50:20,040
Speaker 9: It's gonna be in twenty six. I'm looking at the

3043
02:50:20,080 --> 02:50:22,800
Speaker 9: galleys right now, which means the final stage, and then

3044
02:50:22,840 --> 02:50:24,160
Speaker 9: I send it back to them and then it comes

3045
02:50:24,200 --> 02:50:26,360
Speaker 9: out and hard for them. So I will the day

3046
02:50:26,959 --> 02:50:29,840
Speaker 9: I get it, I promise you I will. We're going

3047
02:50:29,879 --> 02:50:33,520
Speaker 9: to talk about it. But again, Stephen A. Smith scramble

3048
02:50:33,600 --> 02:50:37,440
Speaker 9: his name to ass instead of SAS and make it

3049
02:50:37,480 --> 02:50:43,320
Speaker 9: ass and realize black people have a black common sense,

3050
02:50:44,080 --> 02:50:47,400
Speaker 9: and that's what I'm talking about. We know what Nicki

3051
02:50:47,440 --> 02:50:50,959
Speaker 9: Minaj did is wrong. We know what Kanye did was wrong.

3052
02:50:51,040 --> 02:50:54,200
Speaker 9: We know what Snoop did was wrong. We know from

3053
02:50:54,240 --> 02:50:57,840
Speaker 9: our black common sense that what Nicki Minaj is doing

3054
02:50:58,080 --> 02:51:00,840
Speaker 9: is wrong. And it's because of that Black common sense,

3055
02:51:00,879 --> 02:51:05,200
Speaker 9: which was Gary in seventy two. We do have a

3056
02:51:05,280 --> 02:51:10,720
Speaker 9: perspective sadly because they ran. Because Jesse ran into the Democrats,

3057
02:51:11,120 --> 02:51:14,440
Speaker 9: we don't have a independent party. The other option was

3058
02:51:14,520 --> 02:51:16,880
Speaker 9: should we have a black presidential strategy? So that's what

3059
02:51:17,000 --> 02:51:19,200
Speaker 9: comes out of Gary is the idea of a black

3060
02:51:19,280 --> 02:51:22,680
Speaker 9: presidential strategy. And Jesse ran and paved the way for

3061
02:51:22,800 --> 02:51:27,200
Speaker 9: Obama and for Kamala. But that's because of the Gary Convention.

3062
02:51:27,360 --> 02:51:30,680
Speaker 9: Why did we get Obama because Gary in nineteen seventy two.

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02:51:31,600 --> 02:51:34,160
Speaker 1: Right, And let's ponder on that until next time, doctor Taylor,

3064
02:51:34,160 --> 02:51:36,360
Speaker 1: because we flat out of time. Just want to thank

3065
02:51:36,440 --> 02:51:38,800
Speaker 1: you for all the information you laid on us this morning.

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02:51:39,080 --> 02:51:41,760
Speaker 1: Thank you, doctor Taylor. Family. That's it for the day.

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02:51:42,000 --> 02:51:46,520
Speaker 1: Class is dismissed. Stay strong, stay positive, please please stay healthy.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in

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Speaker 1: Baltimore on ten ten WLB and also in the DMV

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Speaker 1: on AM fourteen fifty WOL