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Speaker 1: Based on everything that is happening in our ran right now,

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Speaker 1: asking what kind of threats should Americans realistically be paying

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Speaker 2: Well, good morning, and thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: Realistically, I would say the biggest threat we faced in

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Speaker 3: the homeland is sleeper cells that have made it here previously,

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Speaker 3: That's always the concern, but I think as many people

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Speaker 3: more so now than it was previously. The good answer

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Speaker 3: to that, A good part of that is information has

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Speaker 3: been gathered by federal agency, state local agencies for a

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Speaker 3: think here in the homeland, the most important thing would

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Speaker 3: be sleeper cells. Most of these centuries or the places

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Speaker 3: on a smaller scale, which is very impressive that our

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's been plenty of issues, but no major

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Speaker 3: with the state local so overseas, I think it's protecting

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Speaker 4: Hey, Corey, talk a little bit about lone wolves. We

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Speaker 2: Lone wolves are tough.

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Speaker 3: I mean that the way most crime or national security

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Speaker 3: some of themselves radicalize people, you know, constantly staying things

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Speaker 2: Lone wolves are tough because it is such.

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Speaker 3: A small one man or you know, maybe maybe they're

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Speaker 5: We've got Corey Grass joining us. He's a former FBI

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Speaker 3: It should be both, I suppose, but overseas it seems

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Speaker 4: Hey, Corey, So what can the average every day Hoosier

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Speaker 3: My biggest advice is people tend to see this information.

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Speaker 3: Continue to live in our great life we have in America,

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Speaker 5: Corey Grass is joining US former FBI special agent. Now,

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Speaker 5: we've seen Americans detained abroad in the past, and we

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Speaker 5: Right now, the State Department is trying to get most

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Speaker 2: Again, unfortunately, I would say that potential is high.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that does a great way to inflict damage

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Speaker 3: And that's exactly why they do those kind of things.

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Speaker 2: Sure? Sounds great?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you're listening to Casey and Jim. It is ninety

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Speaker 5: Operation Epic Fury. But we have former FBI Special Agent

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Speaker 5: fifteen of those years related to counter terrorism and counter intelligence.

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Speaker 5: He also worked for many years with hostage negotiations. It

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Speaker 3: Well, I think they traditionally have done it already. It's

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Speaker 2: But what you don't see then is the.

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Speaker 3: I mean there's there's multiple levels and layers in different

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Speaker 2: A lot of you know, technology and things like that.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Corey, So I think when we think about you know,

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Speaker 3: Well, the color cutting scale sometimes changes, you know, different

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Speaker 2: To what these different things means.

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Speaker 3: Again, if something doesn't feel right, doesn't seem right, doesn't

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Speaker 2: So good, and I think as long as we keep.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so it's Corey Grass who's joining US. Former FBI

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Speaker 5: and you brought up a good point. I want to

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Speaker 2: I mentioned this my wife often.

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Speaker 3: Common sense approaches is when you're walking in public, keep

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Speaker 2: Be very comfortable.

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Speaker 3: Don't be armed if you're not comfortable. I think that's

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Speaker 5: Always do you seem like these are just obvious things

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Speaker 3: Again, the common mistake to me is just making yourself

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Speaker 2: I backed out. It could be you know, the interview

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Speaker 3: You have total control over your safety, and there's plenty

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Speaker 5: Part of that sounds like it's like follow your gut

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Speaker 5: coreographs is joining us? How important is digital awareness right now?

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I can stay high enough. I

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Speaker 2: But there's so many online issues.

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Speaker 3: Obviously cyber crimes, but terrorism. You know, they communicate via

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Speaker 3: And again it's it's almost the same as we're on

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Speaker 2: If you get an email, a.

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Speaker 3: It's just it seems to be in my opinion, I

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Corey Grass, we really appreciate your insight. Former FBI

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Speaker 5: special agent twenty years in the service. Thank you for that.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for joining us today. Where can people find

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Speaker 2: Probably eat this place on Facebook.

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Speaker 3: I just use my real name, Corey COO r Y

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Speaker 3: and the last name is Grass like you, mo Or.

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Speaker 3: I do have a consulting company called APEX Solutions Group,

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Speaker 3: and I can We can be found at Apexdefend dot com.

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Speaker 2: Apex defend dot com.

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Speaker 5: Do you have a license plate that says grassman.

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Speaker 3: You're actually very close it it has it does have

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Speaker 5: Yes, we appreciate you. Thank you so much. You did

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Speaker 5: so excellent. We might have to have you back every

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Speaker 5: single week, so prepare yourself.

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Speaker 2: I would love it. I would appreciate it and love it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I missed Jim too much. I need to

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Speaker 2: talk to him every week. It man, let's do it.

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