1 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Hammer elect Show, But it was 2 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: Nigel Jason Hammer right over there with a very special studio. 3 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 2: Guests, Representative Craig Haggard joining us formerly I guess District 4 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 2: fifty seven. Because you're trying to move on to a 5 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: new seat, you're trying to go to the swamp, is 6 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 2: that right? 7 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 3: I am. For some crazy reason, I've. 8 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 4: Decided why in the hell do you want to do that? 9 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 5: By jokingly say, too many head injuries in the Marine 10 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 5: Corps apparently, But you know it's I still believe in fighting, 11 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 5: you know, I guess I think it's worth fighting for. 12 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 5: I think if you give up at that point, you 13 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 5: know the country's laws. So I know it's tough. I 14 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 5: know it's miserable. I think it'll be worse than it 15 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 5: was here, But I believe in fighting. 16 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 4: So okay, I want to talk about fighting. We'll get 17 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 4: back to the political stuff here. 18 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: But worse than it was here, that means here is 19 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: pretty bad, right. 20 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 3: Uh? 21 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 2: Your backstory of serving the country, Uh, you have flown 22 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 2: combat missions and military before. I'm just curious as to 23 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 2: your perspective of what you're seeing right now with Iran. 24 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,839 Speaker 2: I know this doesn't have anything to do with Indiana, 25 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 2: But very rarely do we get somebody in studio that 26 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 2: has flown combat missions. 27 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 4: I'm just curious as to what you think. 28 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 5: You know, it's it's tough, you know, as a if 29 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 5: you look at it, you know, there's two perspectives. One, 30 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 5: what do I look as a combat pilot? Obviously very 31 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 5: successful at this point. Not well, we should say we 32 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 5: haven't had anybody shot down by the enemy. 33 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 3: We've had our. 34 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 5: Guys shot down by friendly fire, which is unfortunate, thank 35 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 5: god they all lived. But in executing that plan, I 36 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 5: think I see our forces doing an outstanding job. I mean, 37 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 5: they're doing what they're trained to do. We've not lost anybody, 38 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 5: you know, prayers for them and their family. As a 39 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 5: matter of fact, we have a formal legislator her son 40 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 5: is over in that area now flying F thirty five's. 41 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: So is it fair for people like us to say, 42 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 2: what's taking so long? Like we live in such a 43 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 2: now moment? You know, we've got the best military. 44 00:01:58,360 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 4: They don't. 45 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 2: We were this was going to be five weeks tops 46 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 2: for only like two weeks into this thing. But I 47 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 2: think some people are running low on patience. Is that unfair? 48 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 3: Well, no, it's not unfair. 49 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 5: I hear that all the time, and it frustrates a 50 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 5: guy like me, because you know what it takes to 51 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 5: you have phases of operation. We quickly controlled the skies, 52 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 5: We quickly, you know, took out a lot of the 53 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 5: main targets. And now I think our next phase of 54 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 5: operation is getting those rocket launchers, getting the rock manufacturing 55 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 5: the drone facilities and capabilities, straight of horror mood stuff 56 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 5: like that, and that's phase two. But to me, we 57 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 5: did all that first part in just a few days. 58 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 5: For the world, that was long. For me, it was like, wow, 59 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 5: that was really quick. I mean, we have a long 60 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 5: our bombing campaign to prep in Iraq and Desert Storm 61 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 5: was quite. 62 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 3: A few months. And then we sent in the ground troops. 63 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 5: Now I don't believe we're gonna have ground forces here 64 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 5: on the ground, but we do have a society that 65 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 5: wants this instant, instantaneous thing. 66 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 3: And doing me wrong. I want to be out of 67 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 3: there as soon as possible, right, we do. 68 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 4: And the President said the same. 69 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 6: The American people want that. 70 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 3: Now, we want that, we don't want on the ground. 71 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 5: And I'll just have to say from being over in 72 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 5: that part of the world and seeing different things. You know, 73 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 5: my heart does go out toward the people of Iran. 74 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 5: I mean, you see those folks cheering in the streets. 75 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 6: I know I haven't rarely reported, but it is rarely reported. 76 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 5: But I've been with groups, different groups up in the 77 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 5: Lafayette area. They have a large Muslim population, and I 78 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 5: know that one of my good friends up there is 79 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 5: Syrian born. 80 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 3: They were happy when that regime changed happened. 81 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 5: I don't know if we got anything better, but that's 82 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 5: you know, they're thrilled with the possibility of living a 83 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 5: free life. 84 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 3: And I think we need to remember. 85 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 5: That's who you know, that's besides them trying to kill 86 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 5: usince nineteen seventy nine and have killed us openly indirectly. 87 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: To America and their mantra in their charter, that's Hamas's charter. 88 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: But you know that's a proxy, which. 89 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 3: Is a proxy of them. 90 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 5: You know, the Kobar Towers, of Beiru, of the uss 91 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 5: Coal and you could go on and on and on. 92 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 3: IED's all over that you know, blew off people's limbs 93 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 3: and lost their lives. 94 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 5: So but besides that, they just want I found in 95 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 5: my serving that everybody enemy or not enemy anymoy around 96 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 5: the world. I think most of those individuals want what 97 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 5: we want. They want to be prosperous. They want a 98 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 5: safe place for the kids to lay. 99 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 3: Their head at night. 100 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 5: That's what people really want, and those are the people 101 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 5: that that I think that we're fighting, hopefully fighting for. 102 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 5: So you have, and that's everybody in the region, from 103 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 5: the Israelis to the Iranians, to the Palestinians, to the Asaris. 104 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 3: To whoever's they all. 105 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 6: I get it. 106 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 4: A lot of those folks over there. 107 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 5: It's a volatile area and a lot of them don't 108 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 5: like each other. But I think they all want the 109 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 5: same thing. And that's what I really would like to see, 110 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 5: even as a war guy that fought in wars is 111 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 5: just peace. 112 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 3: I mean guys that like me who fought. 113 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 5: In wars, who've lost I lost eight friends in my career, 114 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 5: and you know, so I hate war. I mean, I 115 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 5: think we should be the best in the world. People 116 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 5: should fear us, and we should be able to get 117 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 5: the stuff done. 118 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 3: But I hate it. I don't you know. That's the 119 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 3: last thing that I would ever want it. 120 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 6: Craig, you were a pilot, yeah, and what did you fly? 121 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 5: So actually, and I jokingly say a split personality. I 122 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 5: flew for the Marine Corps in the Air Force, So 123 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 5: I flew abah B Harriers, the vertical takeoff jump jets. 124 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 5: You're kidding me now so and they actually had a 125 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 5: cool little store. I actually own the front half of 126 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 5: the first jet that had my name on at the 127 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 5: Marine Corps. 128 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 3: And that's my political parade flow. 129 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 4: It's nice it is. 130 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 3: And it was on eBay by the way, with my 131 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 3: name still on. It's how I found it. 132 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 5: But and then when I was on a with discharge 133 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 5: in two thousand and I came back to Indiana and 134 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 5: took an active duty commission and AGR active Guard reserve 135 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 5: with the Indian International Guard and I flew have sixteen's 136 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 5: out of Tara. 137 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: Hope we could do an entire show commercial free on 138 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: how in the world those things work? 139 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 6: They those those fighter jets that take off. 140 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: Vertically and that don't have to have a runway correct, 141 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: Holy God almighty, they're developed. How in the world do 142 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:49,679 Speaker 1: you How long did it? Train? 143 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 6: Did you? Did training take? For that? 144 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 4: Nudge? 145 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 2: When I leave on a Southwest flight and I'm listening 146 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 2: to Highway to the danger Zone, I feel like we're 147 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 2: the same person here, that's right. Yeah, we experienced a 148 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 2: lot of the same thing. 149 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 4: I believe that's right. 150 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 3: You slept in the Holiday and Express last night. 151 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 4: Right. 152 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 5: It's not an endorsement of Holiday Express, but now, I 153 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 5: mean it was. It was crazy going from a normal 154 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 5: jet to the vertical takeoff jet. But once you learned 155 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 5: how to do it, relatively speaking, it was it became 156 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 5: second nature. 157 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 3: But it really was. 158 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 6: It always talked about. 159 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 5: It was like balancing a jet on the pin of 160 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 5: a head of a needle. And I remind people, unlike 161 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 5: the F thirty five, which also has a vertical capability, 162 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 5: when we flew those, there was no computer aid at anything. 163 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 5: You know, you had very old fashioned. You had the 164 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 5: throttle on the left. You had the nozzle control level 165 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 5: on the left, which was basically just a metal rod 166 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 5: that hydraulically controlled nozzles with the big bicycle chain and 167 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 5: it was by the seat of your pants, so you 168 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 5: kind of felt when the nozzle out, when to not 169 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 5: nozzle out. And it was all real pilot stuff. And 170 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 5: nowadays there's auto landing, there's on the aircraft carrier. Now 171 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 5: they have this thing called which I just learned the 172 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 5: other it's called magic carpet, which is I guess a 173 00:06:59,279 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 5: program in the jet. 174 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 3: It's the kind of auto lands the jet. We had 175 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 3: to do all that because I so. 176 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 2: The old school pilots, like we used to have to 177 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 2: walk up a hill in the snow eight hours a day, compared. 178 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 5: To you today, by one of those old guys down 179 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 5: back in my day, you know, when we flew, we 180 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 5: were real men, you know, and so but it does 181 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 5: kind of feel that way a little bit, you know, 182 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 5: the last of the true. 183 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 3: I shouldn't say that, but yeah, I guess I'm not old. 184 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: You don't ever want to go to a bar with 185 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: me because I would sit here and talk your ear 186 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: off and drink beers and buy you beers for hours. 187 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, talking about that stuff. 188 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 4: If you're buying that, I'll go. 189 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: The military technology of the United States is unbelievable and 190 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: it's been around too, like since the stealth bomber in 191 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: the fifties. 192 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's you know what I mean, Well, that's an 193 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 3: amazing story. 194 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 5: I mean read there's a book and I'll put this 195 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 5: that called skunk Works, and it's about all those the 196 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 5: the F one seventeen and the SR seventy one, and 197 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 5: all those secret projects. And that was back when the 198 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 5: guy who ran the place literally just they use slide 199 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 5: rules and figure that stuff out in their heads. 200 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: Imagine what the technology is like now we see it firsthand. 201 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 6: Well we he was in the fifties. 202 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 5: Well, we use AI now in certain programs for targeting sets. 203 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 5: You know, before you'd have to have a lot of 204 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 5: individuals pouring over maps and and you know, different different 205 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 5: data coming in, and now they have different they have individuals, 206 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 5: but they'll have AI platforms that, based on criteria, say, okay, 207 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 5: picks out from this intel. 208 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 3: Boom boom boom boom boom's here's your best target. 209 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: You choose around one more thing on this, then I 210 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 2: promise we'll move on and we'll spend another segment because 211 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 2: we've got a lot of stuff to get to here. 212 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 2: But I'm hearing that the first round of bombing that 213 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 2: took place in Iran, these pilots took off from Missouri 214 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 2: eighteen hours straight drop bombs. I mean, eighteen hours flying. 215 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 2: Seems like that's an amazing feat in itself. What's the 216 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 2: longest you had to fly to achieve a goal? 217 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 5: So the longest I flew is taking a jit from 218 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 5: here to Okinawa. Now we did stop in Hawaii, but 219 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 5: still i'd say we had to meet up with the tanker. 220 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 5: You don't fly real fast when you're refueling, and so 221 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 5: it's probably about thirteen fourteen hours was my longest. And 222 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 5: unlike those jets taken off out of the US that 223 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 5: have bathrooms, we had no bathrooms. 224 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 3: Oh so you're. 225 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 5: In a single seat sitting there and we would actually 226 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 5: on a tank or we would play a tanker battleship 227 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 5: where we would actually have little charts and we'd be 228 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 5: flying and you had your little chart and there'd be 229 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 5: six of us and you call each other by your 230 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 5: car call signs. 231 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 3: Mine was Merle. 232 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 5: Merle Haggard's my call sign, and my granddaughters actually call 233 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 5: me Grandpa Merle, which is kind. 234 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 4: Of fun, which is pretty strong, pretty strong. 235 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 3: But we would. 236 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 5: Literally sit there and like, you know, hey, rude dog 237 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 5: g twelve, you know, and are you saying my battleship? 238 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 5: But we're literally doing this as we're following the tanker 239 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 5: over the ocean, just to kill time, because it was 240 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 5: just you know a lot of boring, boring flying, just 241 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 5: going straight. 242 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 2: Representative Craig Haggart is here running for US House seat 243 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: District four. 244 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 4: That the district we're. 245 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 2: Going for, right, yes, sir, all right, So I asked 246 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 2: you this earlier, but all double down here again. 247 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 4: Why why would you want to go to Washington, d C. 248 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 2: We've had, you know, the governor come back and say, 249 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 2: one person, it's hard for one person to make a 250 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 2: difference out there. 251 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 5: Why well, I'll say this a lot of people. You know, 252 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 5: what are you going to change? What can you promise me? 253 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 3: What can you do? 254 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 5: And if I said I was going out there and 255 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 5: I would make a difference by myself, if I would 256 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 5: change something by myself, I'm either stupid or a liar, 257 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 5: and I don't think i'm either one. And I had 258 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 5: a person ask me one time, what can you guarantee me? 259 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 5: He had little patent papers at one of these meetings 260 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 5: at little town Hall, and I said, we'll get your 261 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 5: paper out. 262 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 3: I'll promise you three things. 263 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 5: Everybody was, you know, waiting, lean forward, and I said, 264 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 5: I'm going to promise I'm gonna screw something up, I'm 265 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 5: going to learn from. 266 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 3: It, and I won't do it again. I sai, that's 267 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 3: about all. 268 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 5: I can promise you. And I'm going to do my 269 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 5: best for my constituents. I just want to be honest 270 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 5: with them now. 271 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 2: For this past session at the Indiana State House, what 272 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 2: were some of the wins? 273 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 4: Right? 274 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 2: Because I know our audience, until they get meaningful property 275 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 2: tax relief, they're going to think everything sucks. So tell 276 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 2: me some of the wins that Hoosier's gotten this last session. 277 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 5: As far as property tax I was one of three 278 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 5: Republicans voted again Senate Bill one. I went and as 279 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 5: a matter of fact, I spoke with you at the 280 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 5: rally with Jadie Prescott, who did author and I co 281 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 5: authored the bill to get rid of property taxes to 282 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 5: replace those and that was radical. We are told to 283 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 5: do something simple and get rid of a bunch of 284 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 5: tax code. But anyway, that's a whole other segment too. 285 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 5: Some of the wins, I think one big one was 286 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 5: the BMV bill House Built twelve hundred, which I co authored. 287 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 5: Jim Pressel was the author that and Greg Stirwald was 288 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 5: another co author. And it's a huge bill. It's an 289 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 5: agency bill. But what we were able to tack onto 290 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 5: that and also work with the Attorney General's Office, was 291 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 5: tackling undocumented for non domicile drivers with the wrong papers. 292 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 3: And I think we've seen that all over the country. 293 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 5: We saw that in Hendricks County in Indiana where had an 294 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 5: individual without the proper paperwork. And so what we haven't 295 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 5: done in the past is kind of go after those 296 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 5: companies that hire these folks. So and just a small 297 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 5: breakdown of a couple of the things in there, you know, 298 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 5: requiring all the tests now to be given all in English, 299 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 5: no other languages, because that's an issue of people not 300 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 5: reading passing stuff back and up. We've seen that nationally, 301 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 5: others to go after that individual non domiciled first with 302 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 5: bad paperwork, with some criminal stuff and also a fine, 303 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 5: but then to go after the companies to hire them 304 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 5: with a fifty thousand dollars fine. 305 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 3: Good and so. 306 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 6: Those it's a start, but I believe it's literally. 307 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 3: Ford is probably number two. 308 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 5: But I think that's the strongest state legislation in the 309 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 5: country right now because we're still waiting on federal counterparts too. 310 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 2: And last thing here, and again I apologize for the 311 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 2: time crunch here. We've got about a minute left. You 312 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 2: did something. I think it's pretty interesting earlier today, almost 313 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 2: like some undercover boss stuff. 314 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 4: Can you tell us about it. 315 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, So one of the biggest things we have while 316 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 5: around the country, especially here in Indiana. I went with 317 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 5: the carpenters today, Midwest Carpenters went up to Lafayette to 318 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 5: some very large We're talking hundreds of millions of dollars 319 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 5: put into these housing programs used with taxpayer money, tiff money, 320 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 5: and with company subcontractors. 321 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 3: That are hiring illegals. 322 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 5: And when you do that, they're big thing is, you know, 323 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 5: that's tax fraud number one. And so that's been a 324 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 5: big push by the carpenters that these folks being paid 325 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 5: cash under the table. You're talking millions of dollars that 326 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 5: has been taken away from the local municipalities that would 327 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 5: benefit from that. And on the human side, this is 328 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 5: human trafficking. Yes, I mean that's the biggest thing for me. 329 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 5: I've always been a big advocate against human trafficking, sex trafficking. 330 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 3: I had bills with that. 331 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 5: But these are individuals and I don't blame those guys 332 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 5: at all. They're here to make more money for their families. 333 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 3: But we talked to them today and they spread it out. 334 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 3: They're like, yeah, we you know work for this is 335 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 3: the owner of the company but you know, Wan was 336 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 3: the guy who we work for. 337 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 5: Then they take our taxes at which they don't really 338 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 5: then give us cash. So they say they're paying them 339 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 5: thirty dollars an hour, which is like less than half 340 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 5: the rate they should get. Then they're getting less and 341 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 5: then they're told if they do get checks, not cash 342 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 5: to get to go. 343 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 4: To it's pretty fraudulent. 344 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, to go to a convenient, particular convenience store to 345 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 5: tell them, hey, look at the name on the check. 346 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 5: They'll cash that, and then they're getting a cut of that. 347 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 5: So and we didn't have a hard time finding this. 348 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 5: Within less than five minutes. We're talking to individual, had 349 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 5: interpreters with this individual after individual that didn't know who 350 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 5: they were working for. 351 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 3: If they did, there was cash. 352 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 5: And anyway, it's just a it's a big problem here 353 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 5: and and I'm probably all over the country. 354 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 4: Well, I'm glad you guys are on it. 355 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 2: Please keep us up to date on this because the 356 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 2: last thing we need is a Minnesota type deal happening 357 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 2: here in Indiana. Representative Greg Aggart running for US House 358 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 2: seat District four. 359 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 4: Thank you for your service, Thank you for your time. 360 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 4: It's the Hammer and Nigel Show.