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Speaker 1: athletic the great Dane Brugler is with us. Dane, good morning, sir,

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Speaker 2: Good morning guys?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I prepare it all morning for a twenty

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Speaker 1: That? Is Marshall Manning eligible? Other than to say you

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Speaker 1: the Beast, And courtesy of Dane Brugler, he provides that

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Speaker 4: And I'm not saying this as the athletic guy, but

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Speaker 3: Brother. No, it's very humbling to hear that, because, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's the thing I love about the Draft Guide is

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's go to Bloomington and the hype train is

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Speaker 3: It'll be you know, we just talked about it with

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Speaker 2: It'll be the same thing with safety and Caleb Downs.

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Speaker 2: The NFL has told us.

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Speaker 3: They don't draft safety is very high, at least in

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Speaker 3: the top five top ten. But Caleb Downs is you know,

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Speaker 3: he's not an ed read where you play him single

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Speaker 3: high and he's gonna play both sidelines, but he's more

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Speaker 3: versatile where you can play him in the nickel, you

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Speaker 3: can play him as a robber, you can play him

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Speaker 3: in the post, you can do all these different things

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Speaker 3: with him.

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Speaker 2: He's so smart.

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Speaker 3: He understands football geometry, but he also the athleticism too.

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Speaker 2: So I think at the end of the day, he

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Speaker 2: won't go top five, but I.

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Speaker 3: Think maybe top ten. He has a really good chance

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Speaker 3: to do that. And he'll be the first safety to

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Speaker 3: be drafted that high in a decade. So that says

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Speaker 3: a lot about him as an athlete and a player.

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Speaker 1: I had to hold back on the CJ. Car twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty eight mock draft question for the cole here. Maybe

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Speaker 1: we'll save that for the combine when we bugged Dan

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Speaker 1: Brugler again. Dan, your stuff is second to none.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: We really appreciate the time and enjoy breaking down the

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Speaker 1: film here as we get into the playoff season.

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Speaker 2: All right, I'll see an Indian a few months