1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: So the Vice President came on Friday. Didn't make any difference. 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: It's Killing Casey Show and Rob Casey's out today. Joined 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: by Ethan Hatcher, host of Saturday Night on the Circle 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: heard Saturday Night seven to nine here in WIBC. Ethan Hatcher, Hello, 5 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: good morning, Rob. Happy to be here all right. So Friday, 6 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 1: the Vice President JD. Vance came to Indiana. This is 7 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: his second visit here to the state, third meeting overall 8 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: with Indiana legislators. 9 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 2: Now, he was not here to fight. 10 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: For them to help you with property taxes, or get 11 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: your skyrocketing utility bills under control, or deal with one 12 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: of the nation's largest gas taxes or anything of that nature. No, 13 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: he was here to a strong arm is such a 14 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: such a tough word. But heavily influenced the Republican General 15 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: as simple Republican led General Assembly to redraw their congressional 16 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: maps to add two more Republican seats. And I got 17 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: to tell you at this point, I'm just over all 18 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: of it, because we've reached a point of ridiculous. If 19 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: you're so unsure of whether your constituents wanted or not, 20 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: they clearly don't and we're just trying to find a 21 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: way to Jama Square Pagan to a round hole. Well, 22 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: I think you hit the nail on the head there, Rob. 23 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: Did he really have to strong arm the Republicans from 24 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: because from all the signals that I've seen, the Republican 25 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: legislators themselves would love to be all in on redistrict thing. 26 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: It's they have to make this case to their constituency, 27 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: who would be very upset if they did, and they 28 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: haven't found the magic combination of words to sell that idea. Yeah, 29 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: So he met with them and then what this was 30 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: outside the State Library I think was where they met 31 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: or inside the State Library there. 32 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 2: Were protests and then you see the. 33 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: Leadership, and that's Rod Bray, the pro tim of the Senate, 34 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: Todd Houston, the Speaker of the House of Representatives. 35 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: And this happened last time Vance was here. 36 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: Where these guys come out of this meeting and they 37 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: get stopped by the media and they'll say a whole lot, 38 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: but they don't look excited at all about this. They 39 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: don't look passionate at all about this. Quite frankly, they 40 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: look like they don't want anything to do with this. 41 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: And I think that is part of the broader concern 42 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: is you have your local lawmakers who, let's face it, 43 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: they're not exactly based on the way they've governed the 44 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: creators of good choice quite often, but they're clearly there's 45 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: no overwhelming drive from the people they represent to do this. 46 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: They've many of them admitted very publicly how great the 47 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: maps are that they already have. And yet because you're 48 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: so afraid of Donald Trump, you got to twist yourself 49 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: into this mental pretzel to somehow come to this conclusion. 50 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: Look, if it takes some guy five. 51 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: Or six months to convince you to do something, I 52 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: think we're all losing. 53 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,839 Speaker 2: If you do that thing. It's it's seven to two. 54 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: The maps already heavily favor Republicans, and I find it 55 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: hard to take their argument on redistricting seriously when they 56 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: refuse to address the root of the problem. And yes, 57 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: Democrats absolutely have rig their maps to favor Democrats, as 58 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: Republicans have done within their representational districts as well. But 59 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: the problem is the apportionment that is assigned through the census, 60 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: which counts illegal immigrants, and the way to challenge that 61 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: is through the legal system, primarily the Supreme Court. But 62 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: we've heard nothing out of Attorney General Todd Rakeda to 63 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: try and start getting the ball rolling to that effect, 64 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: and you have a Supreme Court that, by all reason 65 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: would be favorable to that idea. Yeah, so this is 66 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: the question. David Shelton is going to join us today 67 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: at ten. He's the Knox County Clerk running for Secretary 68 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:53,839 Speaker 1: of State, and he's given some contradicting statements on whether 69 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: he supports redistricting or not, so we will ask him 70 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: about that. But I really have two to the two 71 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: questions that remain unanswered for me. Number one, what does 72 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: adding two more Jefferson Shreeves right, Because you're not going 73 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: to get to Thomas Massey's You're not going to get 74 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: some Republican or liberty minded individuals in those seats. The 75 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: Republican establishment will hand choose who they want for those positions, 76 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: and it will be a Jennifer Ruth Green or Jefferson 77 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: Shreve type of person. And so for the people who 78 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: are so passionate about this, how does getting two more 79 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: of those types of Republicans? Is that really worth all 80 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 1: this effort and energy for two more Jefferson Shrieves, Well, 81 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: I think you know the answer for me, which is no, 82 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: but counter argument. Let me play devil's advocate here because 83 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: our friend, your friend of mine, Andrew Ireland, of course 84 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: supports redistricting, which we are opposed to. 85 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 2: But he also says that this would. 86 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: Create an environment with more competitive elections, at least in 87 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: the area immediate at least surrounding Marion County. Because if 88 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: you're going to be breaking up the Andre Carson district, 89 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: then by necessity, many of those districts where those voters 90 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: are shifted to will shift purple because the voting habits 91 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: of Indianapolis residents are not going to change. So would 92 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: this inadvertently perhaps make elections more competitive at least in 93 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: the immediate region surrounding Marion County by trying to slice 94 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: that up in a million different pies. Okay, but this 95 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: is where we come to the point of all this, 96 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: which is, and this is true with almost everything these 97 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 1: people do, the hypocrisy, and it allows us to put 98 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: the hippocrisy these people on full display, because Marion County 99 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: once upon a time was somewhat competitive. Now look the Carsons, 100 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,239 Speaker 1: whether it was Julio or Andre Carson, they were winning 101 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: those districts. But there were numerous times I remember, especially 102 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: in my twenties, where they say, okay, maybe this is 103 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: the year they were still winning. It was relatively comfortable, 104 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: but it wasn't what we're seeing today oftentimes. And the 105 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: Republicans just in the most recent set of map that 106 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 1: they drew, deliberately made Marion County less competitive to help 107 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: their friend victorious Sparks in the fifth congressional district. So 108 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: you don't get to come out now and go, well, 109 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: these maps are totally uncompetitive. 110 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 2: We've got to make them more competitive. 111 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: Wouldn't it make elections better when you just had an 112 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: opportunity to do that or draw quote unquote fair maps, 113 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: which you said you did, and you deliberately made Marion 114 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: County less competitive in. 115 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 2: The maps that you just drew. 116 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: Well, I think obviously the answer here is these people 117 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: are full of crap. Rob They are self serving creatures, 118 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: and that is the ultimate aim of redistricting. They are 119 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: trying to get another couple of Jefferson Shreeves in there, 120 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: and I agree that would not serve the interests of Hoosiers. Well, 121 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: and the and then the other the other thing is 122 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: if we're just gonna say, well, any unavoted for Trump, 123 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: so we should get all nine seats then every state 124 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: in the Union. Then just whoever wins your presidential election, 125 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: just give them all the seats. Well, look they keep 126 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: using ILLINOI as the Oh look at the Jerry mannering. 127 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: So Illinois is seventeen congressional reps. Three of those are Republican, 128 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: fourteen or Democrat. I'd pulled out my calculator over the weekend. 129 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: That comes out to eighty two percent of their seats 130 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: or Democrat. In Indiana, seventy eight percent of our seats 131 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: are Republican. We can't get to eighty two percent because 132 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: of different numbers. So when they keep talking about well, 133 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: Illinoy this, well but Indiana that we've done the same thing, 134 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: I mean comparatively percentage wise, Illinois and Indiana basically have 135 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: the same number. The maps are rigged in there in 136 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: their favor. And this all comes back to the reason 137 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: I don't want these maps altered is it allows Republicans 138 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: to be lazy and unaccountable. If we just say that 139 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: anytime we can't win an election by governing in a 140 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: way that people want to vote for us, then we'll 141 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: just change the map. Then we'll just keep governing in 142 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: a way that keeps adding trillions of dollars to the debt, 143 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: keeps the crony capitalism, you know, keeps the legalized vote buying, 144 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: the growth of government, all of these things. Republicans are 145 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: looking for a bailout from their bad governance rather than 146 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: governing better and earning the vote. The bad, the bad 147 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: argument they are attempting to move forward is that they 148 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: are counterbalancing not just states like Illinois, but more importantly 149 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: states like New York or California that have dozens of 150 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: congressional representatives, to which I say, again, the way to 151 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 1: address that is by solving the root of the problem, 152 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 1: which is counting illegal immigrants in the apportionment for congressional representation. 153 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 1: That's a glitch in the system that needs to be addressed. 154 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: But the Republicans, the Republicans are sitting on their hands 155 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: when it comes to that. Okay, so there's another poll 156 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: that's come out. By the way, there's not been one 157 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: public poll release that shows There have been numerous polls 158 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: on this, but there's not been one public poll release 159 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: that shows that people in this state are in favor 160 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: of redistricting or anything close. There is a new poll 161 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,839 Speaker 1: that came out on behalf of independent Indiana. We've had 162 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,239 Speaker 1: them on our show before. They're a group that exists 163 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: to try to get more independent candidates elected or competitive, 164 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: to try to break these Republican and Democrat you know, 165 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 1: strongholds scolds right now. The group that they used is 166 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 1: north Star Opinion Research, which I believe has a history 167 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: of polling for Republicans and Republican based groups and national 168 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 1: Republican committees, et cetera. Capital Chronicles as an article on this, 169 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:33,839 Speaker 1: if you'd like to read the you know, sort of 170 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: the details on this. So this is not some uber 171 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: left firm that they used. But according to this north 172 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: Star Opinion Research poll, fifty three percent of Indiana registered 173 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 1: voters don't support redistricting compared to thirty four percent who do. 174 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: Here in Central Indiana. It's fifty five percent of post 175 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: compared to fifty one percent outside of Central Indiana. So 176 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: again there's another poll showing not just that people aren't 177 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: in favor of it, but by already overwhelming margin, that 178 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: people don't favor what the Republicans are proposing to do. Yeah, 179 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: it's a thin majority. I would say that's more of 180 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: a plurality, and it also is depending on where those 181 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: undecideds ultimately sit. All right, let's take a break. When 182 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: we come back, we have got to play somebody. Mark 183 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: Kelly is a Democrat senator from Arizona, and he said 184 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:27,599 Speaker 1: something unbelievable about well, it is totally believable if you 185 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: listen to this program. But now they're saying it out 186 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: loud about the shutdown and what's going to happen. It 187 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: is Kennelly Casey show, Ethan's in for Casey ninety three 188 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: WIBC SO Democrats Senator Mark Kelly said something out a 189 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: loud that we've been telling you on this program for months, 190 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: which is the shutdown never really the root cause of it. 191 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: It's never going to be good enough no matter what 192 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: agreements made, and the government will just keep growing and 193 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: spending money forever and ever. It's Kittl Casey showing Rob 194 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: Casey's out today while Casey's in today. Casey and Jim, 195 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: her husband, will be doing the Hammer Nightgel Afternoon show. 196 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: Ethan Hatcher from Saturday Night on the Circle in her place. Ethan, 197 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: you know we were talking about off air. I like 198 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: when you're here because it forces me to be the 199 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: calm one. Yeah, that's a pretty unusual for you. Usually 200 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: it's off the rails, Rob that we're all. 201 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 2: We've all come to know in love, all right. 202 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: So Mark Kelly, his wife is Gabby Gifford's the US 203 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: congresswoman who was a former US congresswoman who was shot. 204 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: He's an astronaut. Yes, not anymore. He's a senator now, 205 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: but anyway. 206 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 2: What a cool job. 207 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: By the way, very interesting life. The guy has lived 208 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: a very interesting life. And Mark Kelly was on Meet 209 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: the Press and we have said four months now in 210 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: this program that it like this, this shutdown is the 211 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: most ridiculous thing ever in which people are trying to 212 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: paint themselves as good guys and bad guys, because what 213 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: the Republicans want you to believe is they're they're doing 214 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 1: you some sort of favor by continuing to approve Biden's 215 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: spending levels, in Biden's spending priorities. They're saying, we're the 216 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,599 Speaker 1: good guys for keeping the government quoe unquote open. But 217 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: all that means is we're just continuing to approve all 218 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: the stuff that Biden. 219 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 2: Liked and wanted. The Democrats aren't going to win this shutdown. Argument. 220 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,719 Speaker 1: But because we've already seen this argument play out a 221 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: number of times when it was Republicans who were in 222 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: the minority, and it's usually the minority party that's holding 223 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 1: things up that bears the responsibility for hamming and hauling 224 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: and making all this noise and causing problems in the 225 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: way that the federal government operates. So I think the 226 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 1: Democrats are quickly going to find themselves on the short 227 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: end of the stick in this discussion. But note, really, 228 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: for the most part, in our daily lives, at least 229 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: for me, there hasn't been especially big change since the 230 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: federal government has been shut down air quotes here, even 231 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: though we're almost halfway into the month. Everything seems to 232 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: be operating just fine, all right. So he was on 233 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: Meet the Press, he being Mark Kelly, Democrat Senator, and 234 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: he said what we have been saying, which is, first 235 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: of all, the Republicans will came on Obamacare. They will 236 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: keep the Obamacare subsidies going. They're totally invested in the 237 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: legalized vote buying business. That's bad enough. After the years 238 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: of lying about Obamacare and what it's I mean, they're 239 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: telling the truth about what it's doing, but lying about 240 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: wanting to fix it and get you know, get it 241 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: insurance costs under control and blah blah blah. But what 242 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: we've said is it won't stop with Obamacare subsidies. Right 243 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: That's the argument right now is should you take money 244 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 1: from people like us and give it to people you're 245 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: basically giving moneyway to the insurance industry. These people aren't 246 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: getting cheaper insurance, they're getting subsidized insurance from us. But 247 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: we said, I've said it doesn't matter. They won't stop 248 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: with this. Once the Democrats this get this, they'll move 249 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: on to the next thing. And Mark Kelly, Democrats senator 250 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: from Arizona, essentially said that on Meet the Press that 251 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: it's not stopping with Obamacare subsidies. 252 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 3: If Republicans commit to hold a vote to extend these 253 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 3: subsidies before or the end of the year, would that 254 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 3: be enough for Democrats to reopen the government. Would you 255 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 3: vote for that? Would you support that? 256 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 4: Not? 257 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 2: Right now? 258 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 5: Now, we need a real negotiation and we need a fix. 259 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 2: We need this corrected for. 260 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 5: The American people. This is for so many people, their 261 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 5: healthcare is running towards a cliff and if we don't 262 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 5: fix this, it's going to go right over it and 263 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 5: having some vote without a short outcome. 264 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 2: Now here's the thing. 265 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 5: The President has indicated that he wants to do something 266 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 5: about this and he wants the government open. 267 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: So we're right, it's never stopping, and the broader question becomes. 268 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: In twenty ten, we were told by all it was 269 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: a Democrat Congress right Democrat, House, Democrat, Senate, Democrat president. 270 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: In twenty ten, we were told when they passed Obamacare, 271 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: this was going to be the end all, be all. 272 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: Your insurance was to go up one dime. If you 273 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: liked your doctor, you could keep it. And yet here 274 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: we are, we're still talking with Obamacare, mostly intact from 275 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: what it was in twenty ten, about how broken and 276 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: horrible healthcare is in this country. 277 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 2: And this guy's response is, give me some more of that. 278 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: I remember the moment when overturning Obamacare was essentially lost 279 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: for the American people, and I think that was twenty seventeen, 280 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: the famous moment when John McCain walked up and put 281 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: his thumb down and voted no on overturning Obamacare because 282 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: he was in a personality conflict with Donald Trump. And 283 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: that was one of the great losses of the first 284 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: Donald Trump administration was failing to overturn Obamacare. But I 285 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: remember having a conversation with the gentleman from Georgia, Brian Baker, 286 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: who used to work here at the time, and he 287 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: was walking through the halls, and after that John McCain 288 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: vote and we failed to overturn, I said, We're stuck 289 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: with this. 290 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 2: We are stuck with this forever. That was the last moment. 291 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: It had already been almost eight years since the legislation 292 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: has had been passed. Here we are eight years later 293 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: and we're still dealing with it. The will of the 294 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: Tea Party has completely, you know, shifted the win. The 295 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: winds of fate have have continued to change, and we 296 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: are we're stuck with it here today. The Republicans absolutely 297 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: are are going to cave on this. 298 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 2: All right, let's take a break. 299 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: We got more government shutdown stuff later on in the program, 300 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: but let's take a break. When we come back, Ryan 301 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: Hedrick is going to join us from the WIBC newsroom. 302 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: A lot of new developments on the Mark Sanchez case. 303 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: There's a new video compilation that's come out. He was obviously, 304 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: uh he was. He's out of the hospital. All over 305 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: the cameras and so we got a bunch of updates 306 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: on the Mark Sanchez case with Ryan Headrick from the 307 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: w IBC newsroom. We'll get to that and we come 308 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: back Kennel and Casey Show ninety three WIBC. Well, he 309 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: told me he desperately wants to talk about his work 310 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: in the alley. So I said, he sign me up 311 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: for that. That's interesting. It's Kettel and CAZy Show. I'm 312 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: Rob Casey's out today Ethan Hatcher and for Casey. Ryan Hedrick, 313 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: newsman Extraordinair from the WIBC newsroom, joins us now for 314 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: the latest on the Mark sant As well. It's a 315 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,359 Speaker 1: saga at this point, Ryan Hedrick, Hello. 316 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 6: What's going on? Guys? 317 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 2: How are you all right? 318 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: So you have been just digging and digging. You have 319 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: done all sorts of work, ignoring friends, family, other commitments. 320 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 6: You your wife hasn't seen me in three days, he arked, desperately. 321 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 2: I really that long to walk the alley. Geez, it's 322 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 2: a long alley. 323 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: Amazing work you're doing getting information as it relates to 324 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: Mark Sanchez. Now, before we dig into that, so TMZ 325 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: came out with a video compilation of him wandering the alley, 326 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: walking down the alley, walking back into the alley, walking 327 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: out with what appears to be the stab wound. I 328 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: mean it like I have more question. That video gave 329 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: me more questions that it did answers. 330 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 2: What say you? 331 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 6: I think we answered a possible motive in that this 332 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 6: may have been a guy that was just looking for trouble, 333 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,959 Speaker 6: right because he he was circling the alley as we 334 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 6: see twelve oh five. There are three or four important 335 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 6: timestamps and that video sequence that TMZ shared In the 336 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 6: first is Perry told driving his truck. I think he's 337 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 6: head he's the victim. Yeah, Perry tolls the victim, he 338 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 6: said in northbound as he takes a left turn from 339 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 6: West Washington onto South o Sage Street and headed down 340 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 6: toward that dumpster in the bay where he's dumping Greece 341 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 6: behind the Weston Hotel. And then I think that a 342 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 6: couple of times that we see Mark Sanchez emerging from 343 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 6: the alley as he enters from the Maryland Street side 344 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 6: and heads back north toward West Washington Street, he's kind 345 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 6: of looking over his shoulder, and that's part of the 346 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 6: video where I felt compelled to share where the dumpster is, 347 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 6: because I think he at that point he sees Perry Toll, 348 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 6: but he doesn't exactly know what's going on. 349 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: Okay, So this is where it comes to more questions 350 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 1: than answers, because it appears he leaves the alleyway and 351 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: then goes back and so it goes to your thing 352 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: like it was almost like he was looking for a fight. 353 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: But you're and look, I get this, and you know 354 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: this as well as anybody, and you talk about this 355 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: a lot on your Supporting Sobriety podcast. Substance abuse, abusive 356 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: substances whatever make people do crazy things. But you're Mark Sanchez. 357 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: You're a gajillionaire, you have a gorgeous wife, you have, 358 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: you're an NFL football announcer. You're looking to fight people 359 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: in alleyways. I don't know, man, I mean that just 360 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: something seems totally off about all. 361 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's pretty strange, and I'm I'm I'm thankful that 362 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 6: as part of my reporting process I visited that that 363 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 6: pub toward Senate Avenue because I now know that that 364 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 6: pub closed at midnight. So if Sanchez is walking east 365 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 6: up West Washington Street at about twelve fourteen, twelve fifteen 366 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 6: and he approaches the pub. I think we can surmise 367 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 6: that he probably saw the clothes sign on the pub 368 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 6: and just turn right back. That's exactly why I think 369 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 6: he turned back because there were no more bars open 370 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 6: to continue drinking. 371 00:19:57,880 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 4: What what. 372 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:00,719 Speaker 2: I had a lost year? 373 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 1: What would be the motivation for this successful guy, former 374 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: quarterback sports broadcaster. He's in a strange city. What what's 375 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: the motivation there to go looking for trouble, to get 376 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: inebriated or intoxicated in some way, in some form or fashion, 377 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 1: and then go wandering around a strange city. Because that 378 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: just seems like a recipe for a disaster, which. 379 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 2: Clearly it was. 380 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 6: You ever heard of liquid courage? That's exactly what I 381 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 6: think was going on. I mean, I can remember, I'll 382 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 6: just share when I used to get drunk a lot. 383 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 6: I used to get angry the more I drank, and 384 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 6: depending on what you drink. I think I showed with 385 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 6: you Rob with the Kendall when she was in here 386 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 6: last week that yeah, I'm sorry, Casey, let me slow down. 387 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 6: When I was drinking one hundred proof liquor, I used 388 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 6: to get very angry and alcohol. Yeah, alcohol affects people 389 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 6: in different ways. So maybe, I mean, we're we're just 390 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,239 Speaker 6: guessing at this point, but his mannerisms and and what 391 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 6: he was doing up and down that sidewalk indicate that 392 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 6: he was looking at something that he didn't like or 393 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 6: had to turn back. The pub was closed, and now 394 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 6: he's headed back west and backway to go down that alley. 395 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: Okay, so he was what he finally was released, he 396 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 1: being Mark Sanchez was finally released from the hospital. He 397 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,239 Speaker 1: was then booked into the Marion County jail. Correct, so 398 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: the mugshot is out and processing. The judge said he 399 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: had to do that in order to be able to 400 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: leave the state. 401 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, so Friday was actually a really important day in 402 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 6: this soul sagas you called it book, because the judge 403 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 6: ordered Sanchez to be after he was released from the hospital, 404 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 6: he had to go to the jail to get processed. 405 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 6: In order to leave the state. The lawyers filed for 406 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 6: a motion to leave the state because he obviously I 407 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 6: think he lives in California. Dana Point is where he 408 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 6: owns a home. So in order to get back home, 409 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 6: the attorneys had to put in a motion and that 410 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 6: motion was granted by a Marion County judge. So on Sunday, 411 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 6: I think what we saw is him getting released from Eskina, 412 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 6: showing up at the Justice center to get processed, which 413 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 6: involves the booking photo in the fingerprints, and then getting 414 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 6: kicked back out to be confronted by reporters in front 415 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 6: of the justice center. 416 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: Okay, so we actually have a little bit of this 417 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: as he was coming out of the Justice center. 418 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 2: Here's that clip. 419 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 4: Now, I'm just focused on my recovery and I just 420 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 4: wanted to thank you the first responders. A's Konazi Hospital. 421 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 4: That's why you're getting pick you, Mary. I just want 422 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 4: to thank doctor Mounseler as surgeon should say, my life. 423 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 4: So m I'm great buck for that. Sorry. 424 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 1: So he's got a major problem in the sense of 425 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 1: this is not an embarrassing thing like you know the 426 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: Eddie Murphy or Peewee Herman or whatever, or hey, that's 427 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: a really bad look. But you know, people would say 428 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: it's largely a victimless crime, right in the sense of 429 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 1: nobody was injured in the process. 430 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 2: You've got a guy who is totally disfigured and he 431 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 2: allegedly did this. 432 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think it's as big a problem as 433 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 6: you may think it is. And here's the reason why 434 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 6: the Marion County justice system is very sympathetic. 435 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 2: To addicted people. 436 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 6: I know for a fact, I have sat in rooms 437 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 6: and meetings with people recently who have been convicted of 438 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 6: serious drug trafficking crimes, serious serious drug trafficking crimes, a 439 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 6: lot of weight on them, and they stand in front 440 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 6: of a judge and they laugh about it. These people 441 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 6: will tell me after the meeting, or even share in 442 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 6: a meeting that they pled to being a drug addict 443 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 6: or a drug user whatever. They just couldn't control their habits. 444 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 6: So for Mark Sanchez, his defense will most likely if 445 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 6: he's smart, center on, I can't control my alcohol, it's 446 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 6: taken over me, and the Marion County justice system will 447 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 6: probably say, Okay, you probably do have a problem and 448 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 6: order some kind of rehab. 449 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: Before we let you go. Now, Sanchez is married now, 450 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: but there is a woman. I don't think he was 451 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: ever married to her, but he has at least what 452 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 1: one one kid with her, Yeah, right, and she is 453 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: she was a former model and. 454 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 6: Bobby or Kay is her model name. 455 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not her real name. 456 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: But what the think it comes back to this too, 457 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 1: like just just throwing away Like Rod Stewart wrote a 458 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 1: song once, is that some guys have all the luck 459 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 1: and that is this guy's life. And people are looking 460 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: at this going you threw it all? Like everything about 461 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: this guy is like good looking, great athlete, perfect ten. 462 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: You know wives and girlfriends, you know, rich and and 463 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 1: and they're like you what you were fighting some guy 464 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: in an alley. Okay, but the mother of his child 465 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: spoke out? Was it Instagram? 466 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? 467 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 6: She took to her Instagram account to talk to why 468 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:04,439 Speaker 6: you do it? 469 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 2: Yeah? What did she say? 470 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 6: Emily Campeneri. She said that her first priority is and 471 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 6: always will be her eight year old son, Daniel. She 472 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 6: said she received an alert on her phone sitting next 473 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 6: to her son last Saturday when this happened, and she 474 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 6: said she wasn't surprised. I think it's an indictment on 475 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 6: his behavior. She didn't elaborate on why she wasn't surprised 476 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 6: by this, but look, we talk about it all the 477 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 6: time when you have me in here to promote the 478 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 6: Supporting Sobriety podcast. Addiction is an insidious disease. It is 479 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 6: subtle in the ways it affects people, and it knows 480 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 6: no socioeconomic boundaries. And I'm not saying that Mark Sanchez. 481 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 6: I'm not saying he's not culpable of this or not responsible. 482 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 6: I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying, when 483 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 6: the drugs enter somebody's body, no matter what their status is, 484 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 6: no matter what top tier person you think they are, 485 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 6: all bets are off. And Sanchez obviously couldn't handle his liquor. 486 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: And I would love to hear a little bit more 487 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: from your perspective about that. That comment about the defense 488 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: that he will most likely attempt to mount. Oh, the alcohol, 489 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: it took over, It took control of me. I think 490 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: that is a BS argument because I don't think alcohol, 491 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: or any other drug or intoxicating substance for that matter, 492 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't take you over. 493 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 2: It reveals more of who you were at your core. 494 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 1: It just takes off those inhibitions and the activities that 495 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: you already had a propensity to engage in. You will 496 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,719 Speaker 1: be drawn to even more so because those inhibitions are 497 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: utterly removed. 498 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 6: I couldn't agree more. I think he should be held 499 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 6: responsible one hundred percent. I'm just telling you from what 500 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 6: I know to be true. I have lots and lots 501 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 6: and lots of friends who should be in prison right now. 502 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 6: Instead they're in twelve step meetings because they have gone 503 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 6: in front of that prosecutor and all his you know 504 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 6: men and women who prosecute these cases, and they stand 505 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 6: up and they say, I am an addict, I am 506 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 6: an alcoholic drugs, And for some reason, the Marion County 507 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 6: justice system is sympathetic to people who stand in front 508 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,959 Speaker 6: of a judge and say I need a second shot 509 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 6: because I need help and trust and believe. His attorneys 510 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 6: are already formulating a game plan because the whole thing 511 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 6: is the affid David says he was intoxicated, So the 512 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 6: prosecutor's office is going to look at that as an 513 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 6: extenuating circumstance and say, well, it's almost like they treat 514 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 6: addiction and alcoholism as a third person in these crimes. 515 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,880 Speaker 6: I'm I'm not saying it's right, but I'm saying that's 516 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 6: what they do. 517 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 2: That's crazy that. 518 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: That would be a mitigating factor to your alleged assault 519 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: against a sixty nine year old man who you beat 520 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 1: so hard it busted his cheeks straight to the bone allegedly. 521 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 6: Now, if if Ryan Meers wants to take a victory lap. 522 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 6: What he can also do is double down on justice 523 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 6: and say, no matter what kind of condition you were in, 524 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 6: this is what we're gonna do. You don't come to 525 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 6: Indianapolis and commit crimes like this. We stand with the victim. 526 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 6: But wouldn't that be the first time, wouldn't that be 527 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 6: the first time that Ryan Meres has ever stood with 528 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 6: the victim? 529 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 2: Yes, there's an election to be one though. All right, 530 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 2: Ryan Hedrick, where can people find you? 531 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 6: By the way, Sure to cover, twitter at, Sure to cover, 532 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 6: and then follow me on TikTok at, sure to cover 533 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 6: number two and of course WIBC dot com. Our whole 534 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 6: news team working on this story day and night. 535 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 2: Ryan Hedrick, you are the best. Thank you, all right 536 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 2: when we come back. 537 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: A prominent Donald Trump supporter says she is pondering not 538 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: even voting in. 539 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 2: Twenty twenty six. 540 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: It's really hard to blame her once you hear the 541 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: Information's Kennell Casey Show ninety three WIBC. Okay, So, a prominent, 542 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: very loud Trump supporter is saying she is considering not 543 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: even voting in twenty six and I think I'm with her. 544 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: So Laura Lumer now years ago. He used to have 545 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: Ethan Hatcher's in for Casey today. By the way, Ethan, 546 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: you remember this years ago when I was but a baby, 547 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: Rob Kendall, we used to have Ethan was the producer 548 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: for the Rob Kendall Show Sundays on WIBC, long before 549 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: she was famous like she has to day. We used 550 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: to have Laura Lumer on our show quite a bit, 551 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: and now she's gone from just sort of high profile 552 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: agitator to one of the most powerful voices, arguably in 553 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: Trump orbit for most of you who don't know, most 554 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: people do. She's a she's internet broadcaster, citizen journalist, yeah, influencer, 555 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: but she's certainly got the ear of the president and 556 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: the people around him. And she is upset specifically about 557 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: this Katari Air Force facility that's going to be built 558 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: in Idaho. 559 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 4: Now. 560 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: I think she's upset about a bevy of things, but 561 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: this was sort of the last straw for her. And 562 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: she has said now that she is pondering not even 563 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: voting in twenty six because she's so done with the Republicans, 564 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: And to her, I say, well, welcome to the party, pal. 565 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: That's kind of a sad situation that I think She's 566 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: not alone in finding herself in being continuously disappointed by 567 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: elected representation over the course of not just you know, 568 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: a couple of cycles, but over the course now i'd say, 569 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: have a couple of decades. Yeah, and you and I 570 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: have had this conversation many times over the years. I 571 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: think one of the most frustrating things is if I 572 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: were to say to to the average person, the compelling 573 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: reason to vote for the Republicans is blank. 574 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 2: The overwhelming answer you're going to. 575 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: Get is somebody going, well the Democrats, yeah, and no, no, no, no, no, 576 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: the compelling reason to vote for the Republicans is and 577 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: they can't give it to you. They can't with the 578 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: straight face say hey, the country's going really well, or 579 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: our state is going really well, or the taxes are 580 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: really low, or we're really getting good value for our money. 581 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 2: The only answer they have is the Democrats. Well. 582 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: Occasionally you get something about abortion. You know, well, we 583 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: finally overturned abortion. Well we don't need an abortion corner, 584 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: abortion factory on every corner. 585 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 2: You know, That's what you get. 586 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: Sure, And then it's not to say that there aren't 587 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: some things that are that are The Republicans have done 588 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: that are are good. But if you take the collective 589 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: governance right on, you know, put it all together, give 590 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: it a score. Most people are very displeased with both 591 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: the state governance they're getting, see the property tax debacle 592 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: of this this past year, but certainly at the national level, 593 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: where the Republicans spend every bit as much as the Democrats, 594 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: they drive up the debt every bit as much as 595 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: the Democrats. And it's a pretty depressing position to be 596 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: in to say, well, the only motivation I have. And 597 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: I saw somebody over the weekend do this with me. 598 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: They said, well, at least in this way, we get 599 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: a slow walk towards the end or whatever, you know, 600 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: insanity or whatever word they use. 601 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 2: I was like, that's what you're willing to accept. You're 602 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 2: willing to say, well. 603 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: I've got VOK for these people because they'll slow walk 604 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: me to a to a horrible ind rather than the 605 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: other side, Like I That's that's the frightening reality. That's 606 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: something that the late the great Rush Limbaugh used to 607 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: talk about on his program a number of years ago, 608 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: especially when he's being honest about Republican representation before he 609 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: really threw into the Trump administration, before he passed away, 610 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: but that the primary difference between Republicans and Democrats is 611 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: not the size of government, but that the speed with 612 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: which we grow it. Yeah, and you really see this 613 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: play out here in the state of Indiana, because I 614 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: think it hits people more sort of directly in the 615 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: face of when you look at the never ending tax 616 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: on gasoline or the property taxes and clearly how that 617 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: was totally screwed up again this year, or the fact 618 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: that they raised taxes by a billion dollars to balance 619 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: their budget this past year, like just one thing after 620 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: another in which Republicans failed to live up to their 621 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: campaign promises. And it really frustrates you with the Democrats 622 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: inability to get their act together, because you say, look, 623 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: if you just would not be insane, crazy people, if 624 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: you could just be remotely normal and just run on 625 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: things like, oh, I don't know, government competency, then you 626 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: might have a real chance to win elections. But Democrats, 627 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: to their detriment, can't do that. They're in cable. They're 628 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: so nuts that they can't even run like normal people 629 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: to win an election. Have you ever seen that horror 630 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: movie the Bobba Duke that came out of the Babba Duke. 631 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: There's a famous meme that came out of that movie, 632 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: and it's the mom screaming at her child. 633 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 6: Why can't you just be normal? 634 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty bad. That's how we're addressing the Democrats. 635 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: So anyway, I think I'm with her. I'm at that 636 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: point too, What is the point in even voting? All right, 637 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: let's take a break. When we come back. A David Shelton. 638 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: He's running for Secretary of State Knox County Clerk. He 639 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: says that redistricting would cause a whole bunch of chaos 640 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: with our elections, but he supports doing it. Anyway, we'll 641 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: get to the bottom of it. Kenel and Casey Show 642 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: ninety three, WWC