1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: You made a fascinating point during our break. 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 2: I tend to do that when we're off the air. 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 2: It's the wrong place for it, you. 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: Know, But you are spot on with this. Now. I 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: don't think there's any winner in this. I think the 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: losers or the American people, whether the Republicans get their 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: way and the government reopens or the Democrats get their 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: way in it stays shut down. Because again, here's what 9 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: we're talking about. The Republicans. The Republican Party is running 10 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: around and almost in Unison, doing a victory life, claiming 11 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:41,599 Speaker 1: they're the good guys for approving Biden level spending. I 12 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: think what it was Massy did Sparks vote against it? 13 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: I can't remember. Maybe that was it. In the Senate, 14 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: it's ran Paul. So the Republican Party, almost in Unison, 15 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: is telling you how they're the good guys in the equation, 16 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: the Party of low taxes and limited government is running 17 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: around telling you how they've done you a huge service 18 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: by approving Biden level spending. And now I guess that's 19 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 1: the new baseline. So once again the Republicans have lied 20 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: to you know, somebody who get very angry at me 21 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: for pointing that out However, the the Democrats have now 22 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: said the Biden level spending not enough for us. We 23 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: need to go Biden. Yeah, Biden level plus. And you 24 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: made a great point that you said that, hey, this 25 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: is happening because solely because Chuck Schumer is afraid of 26 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 1: getting primary by AOC. 27 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. 28 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 2: Well, you know what, so, first of all, the Republicans 29 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: their messaging is a little different than Biden level spending. 30 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 3: They're calling it a clean, non partisan funding bill. 31 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: But we're telling you, I mean, we're telling you, We're 32 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: telling you the truth, which is that's what this means. 33 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: It means what Joe Biden wanted. The spending levels of 34 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: Joe Biden are almost remained fully intact. That that's what 35 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: this is. We cut through the crap and clean. That 36 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: is what clean means. So Biden and most of his 37 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: policies still in effect, not all of them, but most 38 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: of them, and spending remains the same. 39 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 2: Now, during the top of the hour, I believe it was, 40 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 2: the newscast was playing a clip from Chuck Schumer, and 41 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 2: I just was thinking, this is one guy from New 42 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: York who is responsible for this entire shutdown because he 43 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 2: is afraid of losing his position as Senator to AOC 44 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 2: So he's bending to the leftists. 45 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: Sure, but what you know, you I've talked about it. 46 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 3: Sad he's going to lose that base. 47 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: You and I have talked about this before because of 48 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: the shift. There have been multiple shifts in this country, 49 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 1: especially over really the past twenty years. One has been 50 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: the art of jerrymandering inside the states themselves, in which 51 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: we're seeing this potentially play out, which I know we're going 52 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: to talk about here in a minute in Indiana, where 53 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: they're rigging these maps in all these states across the 54 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: country where they if you win a primary, in a 55 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: lot of cases, it's very hard for you to lose 56 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: a general election. We're seeing more and more congressional districts, 57 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: state house district, state senate districts where as long as 58 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: you win your primary, your home free. Now they are 59 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: in Indiana some exceptions, the you know, Zionsville Carmel type 60 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: state house state senate districts or somewhat competitive that they 61 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: rigged that house district so it's not as competitive as 62 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: it used to be. But we've also seen a shift 63 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: from state to state in terms of people leaving states 64 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: if they don't like the politics, and so you've seen 65 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: a de facto jerry mandering there too. For the senators, 66 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: where there's very few. I don't know if there are 67 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: any split states. Well, I think Pennsylvania is a split. 68 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: There may be a couple of split states left, but 69 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: not very many. Used to be all the time a 70 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: clear places like Indiana, you'd say, hey, Evan By and 71 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: Richard Luger, right, or you'd see, you know, Joe Donnelly 72 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: and you know it was Luger and then it was 73 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: Young or you know whatever. Right. You don't see that anymore. 74 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: The states have largely by flight jerrymanderd themselves, and so 75 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: a Schumer knows I can't lose a general election. My 76 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: extremism doesn't matter. I have to get through my primary, 77 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: and I know I'm signing my political you know, career 78 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: ender if if I don't shut down the government. 79 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 2: Right, because he will lose his base and therefore lose 80 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 2: to AOC. 81 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: So I view this is a good thing, because you 82 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: could keep the government shop now for six months and 83 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: we'd be fine as a as a society. But for 84 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: the people who believe in the idea that we need government, 85 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: these people who claim to crave the middle or whatever 86 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: nonsense they're spewing. The extremism now on both sides is 87 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 1: so prevalent that you're never going to get truly or 88 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: you're rarely going to get truly bipartisan public policy anymore 89 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: because the politicians have been deincentivized to do it. What 90 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: possible reason could Schumer have to open the government up? 91 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: I mean, what is it? Somebody show it to me. 92 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: Until he gets what he wants, he has none because 93 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: he will not he will not be blamed. They will 94 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: blame Trump for taking health care or whatever the thing is, 95 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: and people will will buy into that. And like you know, 96 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: on the other side, I guess the Republicans could find 97 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: a way to spend even more money, but they're singing 98 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: this song right now that they're the good guys for 99 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,679 Speaker 1: keeping the Biden level spending going forward, and so nobody's 100 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: incentivized doing anything. So maybe I'll get my way and 101 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: the gunmill just stay shut down. That'd be wonderful. 102 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 2: Seven hundred and fifty thousand federal employees, is that the number? 103 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 2: I believe that's that's how many people it's affecting. Of course, 104 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 2: keep in mind, you Congress they're still getting paid, so 105 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 2: they're okay. 106 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't now if these people get permanently fired, 107 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: I'll believe we're getting serious. But as long as these workers, 108 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: because it always happens right where they you know, get 109 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: furloughed whatever, and then they come back and don't they 110 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 1: get their back pay most of the time. So what 111 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: I mean, what are we doing here? I mean, everybody's 112 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: gonna get made a whole. 113 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 3: You know, what we may not get in October is 114 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 3: the jobs report. 115 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I just you know, like I think, are. 116 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,559 Speaker 3: You worried about that? Well, I think the one getting 117 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 3: the jobs report the one. 118 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: A couple of years ago. Whether that was a couple 119 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: of years now, it's been six or seven years ago. Now, 120 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen I think was the last time this happened, 121 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: and Trump caved and ultimately nothing changed, and we kept 122 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: abbing trillion dollar annual deficits, and then COVID happened after that, 123 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: and then we went to you know, multi trillion dollar annial. 124 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: Nothing ever changes. Our government is too invested in the 125 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: legalized vote buying process to ever stop. Now, it's never 126 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: it's never going to stop. There's too many promises that 127 00:06:58,160 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: have been made. Think about what we talked about here 128 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 1: in Indiana, where Indiana in a rare active government accountability 129 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: from the Republicans who run this state. Tried to get 130 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: their work, get the work requirements and Medicaid changes made 131 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: for twenty six and the Republican federal government came in 132 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: and said, eh, can't do that till twenty seven. Why. 133 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: The only logical reason They don't want people to lose 134 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: those freebies ahead of the midterm vote. So they're not 135 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: about better government. They're about giving and buying as many 136 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: votes as they possibly can. Both sides just do it 137 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: in a do it to a different set of people. 138 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: So the leader John Thune, he said that negotiations on 139 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 2: healthcare they're not going to happen while the government's closed. 140 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 2: And Mike Johnson also said he has no plans to 141 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 2: reconvene the House for any new proposal. 142 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: Well, kay, he is doing something pretty gross though by 143 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: not swearing that woman in. 144 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 3: You're talking about the women in Arizona. 145 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, so there was a there was a special election, 146 00:07:55,040 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: somebody passed away, woman runs Democrat, woman wins, and they 147 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: are refusing to swear her in, not because it would 148 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: affect any of this. I mean, that's bad enough, right, 149 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: Like people have elections, they have a right to representation. 150 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: As soon as you win, you should be able to 151 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: be sworn in and go represent your people, regardless of party. 152 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: You don't like the outcome of the election, do better job, 153 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: you elect better people. But they are deliberately not swearing 154 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: this woman in because she will be the two hundred 155 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: and eighteenth signature on the discharge of the Epstein stuff 156 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: and they do not want that coming out. I mean, 157 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: they are the Republicans now are all in on the 158 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: Epstein cover up, and they are doing it right in 159 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: front of everybody by refusing to swear this woman in 160 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: so they can wait another week or two before they 161 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: have to get this discharge thing. Because Massey and Roe Coanna, 162 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: who is a California I think is where he's a 163 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: US rep At, had team together. Republican Thomas Massey Rocanna Democrat, 164 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: had team together. They'd gotten enough Republicans to agree to 165 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: this for this discharge petition to let all the Epstein stuff, 166 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: to force all the Epstein stuff to come out. And 167 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: Johnson does not want that to happen, which would be 168 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: a giant red flag to everybody to the point he 169 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: is denying this woman the ability to represent her constituency. Now, 170 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: all those people got to keep paying their taxes, right, 171 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: but they don't have any representation right now. And it's 172 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 1: solely because he doesn't want the Epstein stuff to get out. 173 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: And you got to ask why, Sure, what possible reason? 174 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: I mean, look, even if she was the defight and 175 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: deciding vote on the budget or you know, the continuing 176 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 1: resolution or whatever they're calling this thing. Now, she has 177 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: every right to be sworn in and to represent her 178 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: people because they're all paying taxes, they deserve representation. But 179 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: because we don't want her to vote in a certain 180 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: way because it's going to do something we don't want, 181 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 1: we're going to deny these people that that's your government 182 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: right there. It's both sides. Both sides would do it. 183 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 3: They're all essentially he's going to have to do it eventually. 184 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 1: Well sure, but I mean I guess it gives him 185 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: two weeks or a week and a half or whatever it is. 186 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 2: Kicking the can down the road to try and think 187 00:09:58,760 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 2: about this. 188 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: It's about not one the truth to come out about 189 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. How insane is that? 190 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 3: Speaking about truth? Coming out. 191 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 2: There's now a watchdog group called count us in. They 192 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 2: filed a public records request and they're seeking documents for 193 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,599 Speaker 2: any discussion between Governor Mike Bron, Governor Mike Bryn's administration, 194 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 2: and the White House in regards to redistrict. 195 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: All right, let's take let's take a break, because I 196 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: want to get into this because Braun stooged on himself 197 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. 198 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 2: Right, he said consequences, and now this group's gonna call 199 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 2: his bluff. Right, they want to know exactly what was said. 200 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 2: And that's on the way from ninety three WIBC. 201 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: Okay, So this group is calling Braun's bluff on the U. 202 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: I guess they're alleged threats. I don't I don't even know. Okay, 203 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: so Braun, Mike Broun, the governor of Indiana, I mean, 204 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: they look they are just pulling stuff out of their backside. 205 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: At this point. On reasons to have this redistricting special session, 206 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: it is abundantly clear almost none of these lawmakers are 207 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: getting any sort of large scale support for it. Not 208 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 1: a single one of them has been able to produce 209 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: oh hundreds or thousands of emails and phone calls and 210 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: blah blah blah, And as we laid out yesterday, Trump's 211 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: approval while above water in Indiana, certainly isn't where his 212 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: election was and certainly is where you would think in 213 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: a deep red Republican state a Republican president would be. 214 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: And so they are just grasping at straws on reasons 215 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 1: to have this redistricting because the maps they've I mean, 216 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: you know, not that these people have any semblance of 217 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: decency anymore or honor. But as that pathological liar Craig 218 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: Haggard state reps out on our show before he quickly 219 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 1: changed his mind or was his mind was told to change, 220 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: the maps are very fair. The maps were very well done. 221 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: Indiana is one of the few states in the Union. 222 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: They didn't have any sort of lawsuits affiliated with their maps. 223 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: They're drawn. I mean, Indiana realistically, if you look at 224 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: our elections, is probably a six to three Republican state. 225 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: The maps are make them seven to two. They altered 226 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: the maps in twenty one to make Victoria's Sparts district 227 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: less competitive to keep that district red. Nobody threw a 228 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: fit about it, because that happens all over the country. 229 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: It was within the guidelines of believability, and everybody went 230 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: their merry way. Now they're proposing trying to rig the 231 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: maps further to eight one or nine zero. They can't 232 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: give you a logical reason why other than the governor 233 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: came out and stooged on himself and basically said, Hey, 234 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: if we don't do this, Trump's gonna screw us over. 235 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, he said there will be consequences, didn't he And. 236 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: People were like, wait, the Republican president is going to 237 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: stick it to a deep red state that he claims 238 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: to have such an affinity for. He chose his last 239 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: vice president from the state. We're supposed to believe that 240 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: you're doing this because Trump threatened you in some fashion. 241 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: And so this this nonprofit group has popped up. Well, 242 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: I guess they're I don't know, I don't know if 243 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: they're nonprofit. Count us in as the name of the group, 244 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 1: and they're they're basically saying, okay, shut up. 245 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 246 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 2: So they filed that public records request and they want 247 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 2: to see all documents about redistricting discussions between Mike Braun's 248 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 2: administration and the White House, and they say they want 249 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 2: to uncover any federal pressure or threats related to redrawing 250 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 2: Indiana's congressional maps. 251 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 3: Here's the thing, though, they're not going to find anything. 252 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 2: Do you honestly think that Donald Trump was emailing Mike Braun? 253 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: No, I don't think. I don't think Braun was emailing Trump. 254 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: But I think you have what they're searching for. Are 255 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: these staffer people who are dumb enough, quite frankly, to 256 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: put it in an email and say, hey, this project. 257 00:13:59,160 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 3: That's a different point. 258 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: I think that's what they're going on. I don't think 259 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: they think it's going to be you know, Trump at 260 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: a White House dot gov, you know, sending Braun emails. 261 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: But I do think that they think that there's probably 262 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: some if indeed there was a threat. Every look, I 263 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: just think they're afraid to anger Trump. I think it's 264 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: just that simple. I think they have no good reason 265 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: to do this. They've searched for months now to try 266 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: to find one. They can't sway the public on it. 267 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: There are hardcore right people who want it. I don't 268 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: understand why. I don't understand why you would give up 269 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: your decency and integrity to get another Jefferson Shreeve or 270 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: Jennifer Ruth Green type person, Why you would give yourself 271 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: away for that. That's not gonna get you anything. But 272 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: other than you know, maybe the hardcore twenty five thirty 273 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: percent uber base people, there's just not any excitement or 274 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: enthusiasm for it. And so Braun, because he's a horrible 275 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: public speaker and he doesn't think fast on his feet, 276 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: stooged on himself. Whether he was just making it up 277 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: with that to be even worse, or there actually was 278 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: some sort of threat. Maybe we'll get a thought about 279 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: it now. Now. 280 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 2: The founder of the group said that full transparency is 281 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 2: the foundation of accountability. So what's in the request? The 282 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 2: public records request asked for any references to federally funded programs, initiatives, 283 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 2: or waivers and possible threats to delay, stall, or cancel 284 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 2: them if redistricting isn't pursued. 285 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: And let's come back to this. My objection to this 286 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: is not about the Democrats. It's about if you just 287 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: keep giving things to the Republicans, they will never get 288 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: any better. If you just hand them another US House seat, 289 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: how does that make them enact policies that earn the 290 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: right to be there? If you just hand it by 291 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: rigging the map, how do we ever think spending is 292 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: going to get any better? How do we ever think 293 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: that the crony capitalism stuff's ever going to get any better. 294 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: You're not making our government any better by sticking one 295 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: more Republican stooge in Washington, DC. You're just sticking one 296 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: more person that's going to do whatever Mike Johnson tells 297 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: them to do. They're not gonna let some outsider win 298 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: that seat. They already know who they want for that 299 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: seat in the first congressional district, depending on what they're 300 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: planning on doing. They've probably got targets forever. They're going 301 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: to carve up the rest of these seats if there's 302 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: an additional one like that is what blows my mind 303 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: about these people that are so invested in this. If 304 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: you keep just getting it's no differ they're raising your kids. 305 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: You have to discipline your children, you have to show 306 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: them their consequences for their actions. And the Republicans in 307 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: this state never feel any consequences for their bad government. 308 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: And I don't know why that's so hard for people 309 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: to grasp that. Until they start not getting their way 310 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: on things, they're gonna just keep screwing you over. 311 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 3: So what are the next steps. 312 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 2: Indiana law requires only acknowledgment within seven days of the 313 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 2: record's request. They don't have to do a prompt release 314 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 2: on that. And the Governor's office has acknowledged the request, Yeah, 315 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 2: we got your request. 316 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: Now they have thirty days I think to fulfill the request. However, 317 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: the problem is the Public Access Counselor is so far 318 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: behind because they got rid of the guy that was 319 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: in there before, because the legislature gutted the authority of 320 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: the Public Access Counselor because the legislature got mad about 321 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: a ruling that he made that they didn't like. So 322 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 1: instead of just being like, hey, maybe we should do 323 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: a better job of governing, they just changed the rules 324 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: of the game. So that guy was like, smooch my 325 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: butt cheeks. I'm out of here. I'm not going to 326 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: Ruby And there's they've been over there, what mediaut one's 327 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 1: been over there and the lights aren on and you know, 328 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: nobody's home, and so I'm sure Bron's like, yeah, maybe 329 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: we'll get around to that. We get two days. I mean, 330 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: it's October. 331 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 3: Didn't he say he was going to have a special 332 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 3: session in November if they were going to do it? 333 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 1: Four days in November, so that would be the logical 334 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: what I but here's what I actually think is going on. 335 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that's smart to put all this together, 336 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: but I'll give them credit for it. If the people 337 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: have to be here for ORG Day anyway, one of 338 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: the things they'll come back with and say is, we 339 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: did the special session on ORG Day to save you, 340 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 1: the taxpayers, a bunch of money, because now we don't 341 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 1: have to pay twice for these people to be here. 342 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: You watch if they do this, let's shut this down. 343 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 1: It's ten twenty eight on October the first of twenty 344 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: twenty five. If they do a special session, I think 345 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: they'll do it on ORG Day, and they will use 346 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: the excuse, we don't have to pay the people to 347 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: be here. So look at all the money we're saving you. 348 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 3: Right, you're already so you think they can get it 349 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 3: done one day. 350 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: Well they shouldn't because if you were actually drawing a 351 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,479 Speaker 1: map that was of the public interest, you would get 352 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: public input. But they've already admitted this map is not 353 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 1: of the public interest. It's of serving Donald Trump, who 354 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: apparently they're very angry, is going to take something away 355 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: from them. 356 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 2: They already have the map drawn. Speaking of special sessions, 357 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 2: let's talk about one that Ed Delaney wants to have. 358 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 2: Representative Ed Delaney. 359 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's take a break. So Ed Delaney's Democrat state rep. 360 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: He's actually gonna be here with us tomorrow to talk 361 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: about this. Look, I'm sorry. The Democrats are completely insane 362 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 1: on the social stuff, and it's too bad. It's actually 363 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: too bad that they have are so embedded themselves on 364 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: the on demand abortion stuff and the you know, men 365 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: playing women's sports and little kids being able to chop 366 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 1: off their penises. Crowd, because they make a lot more 367 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: sense on a lot of the fiscal stuff than the 368 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: Republicans do in this state. And it's too bad they 369 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: simply can't get elected. But let's talk about what Ed 370 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 1: Delaney has proposed. There's a big article in the Capitol 371 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: Chronicle about how bad the property tax bill is. 372 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 3: You are listening to Kendall and Casey on ninety three WIBC. 373 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna earn my money here. Oh good, because 374 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: about time one of the things we do on this show, 375 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: and I saw somebody post this in the YouTube chat yesterday, 376 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: which you can watch our show on YouTube if you want. 377 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: Just put Kendall and Casey in. They said, man to 378 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 1: the effect of, I really dislike Rob, but I learned 379 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: so much when I I have to listen. That's fine. 380 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 3: You take the good, you take the bad, you take 381 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 3: them both. And there you have Rob Ken. 382 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: There is no there is no program in central Indiana 383 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: that covers local government or explains local government like we do. 384 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: And I think that's part of why we do as 385 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: well as we do. And yes, there are many many 386 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: people who just hate my guts who listen every day 387 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: because they do learn a lot. And so we'll do 388 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 1: that here because you are about to get really screwed 389 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 1: in so many ways. And it was interesting. I saw 390 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: James Briggs did an article friend of the show. He 391 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: said something nice about me a couple of weeks. 392 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 3: So your friend, well, what was that? 393 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: What was that he said, Mike, my career ARC. 394 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 3: Career ARC is the most interesting thing in Indiana media. 395 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: That's right, That's what he said. And it's hard to 396 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: argue with that. But anyway, he had an article today 397 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 1: about the ramifications of this property tax bill, that Senate bill, 398 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: one that was signed that the governor refused to fight 399 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: for the people on and just caved and you know, 400 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: rolled over and play dead to the Indiana General Assembly 401 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 1: now special session to avoid making Trump mad for redistricting. 402 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 1: Absolutely to help you afford to stay in your home 403 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: and no way. But one of the things that is 404 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: fasting about this bill is it's so bad that even 405 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: though Briggs and I are on the total opposite ends 406 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: of the political spectrum. And I've seen this with many 407 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: many people, Jesse Brown, the socialist on the Democrat, the 408 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: Democrat socialist in the City County Council, and I feel say, 409 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: like everybody other than the General Assembly and the governor 410 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: hate this bill. 411 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 3: Well, that's because their name's on it. 412 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: Well right, and most of them have no idea what 413 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 1: was in it. They can't tell you, including Braun himself. 414 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 1: If you like, I guarantee, okay, if Braun had to 415 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: sit down here with us and he had to, like 416 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: actually it go through an interview with me, there's there's 417 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: no way you wouldn't just fall apart, right, There's no 418 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: way he won't do that. No, he's never going to 419 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: do that. But I'm saying that he doesn't. He has 420 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: no concept because Braun is a lazy governor and he 421 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: is not interested in detail, and that is you cannot 422 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: have either of those two things with dealing with property taxes. 423 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: He likes his helicopter, though he does like the title 424 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,719 Speaker 1: of governor, just like he liked the title of Senator 425 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 1: for a while. Point on all this is, there's so 426 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: many bad things in this property tax bill. The only 427 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 1: benefit you're getting, the only benefit is a rebate. Right, 428 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: It's two to three hundred dollars for most people. That's it, right. 429 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: And there are so many potential pitfalls in this bill. 430 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: First and foremost, there's nothing that stops the assessments from 431 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: continuing to rise. 432 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 3: Correct. 433 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: Look, this was a pretty simple issue to that. Well, 434 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: this was the property taxes are super complex, but only 435 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: because these people at the General simply have made them complex. 436 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: But it actually was a simple issue to address. We 437 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: have two problems that needed to be addressed with property taxes. 438 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: One is, I mean, I reject the idea of property 439 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: taxes period. But if they're going to exist, And Jim 440 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: Marrit will tell you this. We talked about State House 441 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: happenings today at length when we recorded the program. The 442 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 1: General Assembly when they put the property tax caps into place, 443 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: and he'll admit this now he being merit, they should 444 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 1: have addressed assessments. They didn't. However, assessments tended to grow, 445 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: you know, one to maybe three percent a year. You 446 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: were looking at people getting depending on the value your home, 447 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: you know, forty to fifty sixty dollars increase. Not great, 448 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: not acceptable, but certainly wasn't forcing people out of their 449 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: homes like we're seeing today. They never anticipated you're going 450 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: to see people's property taxes doubling or tripling over the 451 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: over a three year period. So that's the first problem 452 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: that needed to be addressed. Braun initially addressed that by saying, hey, 453 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: we're done here. We're resetting these rates to the twenty 454 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: twenty one bills, and that's what we're going off with. 455 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: That's why we were on board with Braun because that 456 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: addressed the first thing. The second thing that needed to 457 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 1: be addressed was capping the increases going forward, which Braun's 458 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: initial bill did. This is why we supported Braun in 459 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: the beginning because his actual bill he put forward, now 460 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: we could never have anticipated he didn't actually give a 461 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: damn and wouldn't fight for it. But like, it's what 462 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: do I have to go off of the guy presented 463 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 1: a bill. He was going across the state. 464 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 3: Address some of the problems, said he was going to fight, 465 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 3: fight fight. 466 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not the magnificent Karnak here right, like 467 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: I can't. I can't see what's gonna happen. The actual 468 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: bill did those things. The problem in this well, there's 469 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: many problems, but this bill. So it gives you a 470 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: couple hundred dollars back, but it does nothing to curtail 471 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 1: the growth in assessments. So you will keep seeing your 472 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: bill go up, which means within three, four, five years, 473 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: whatever rebate you've gotten is going to be washed away 474 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: in these assessment increases. Now, on top of that all 475 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: these school districts, because the only thing they did to 476 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: curb the school districts was say now you're go go 477 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: for references in the even number years. Unless you're underhanded, 478 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: underhanded such a strong word. Unless you're creative people like 479 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: the Avon School system, and you just sprint to the 480 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: finish line to get it this year. Okay, there's of 481 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: a chance they're gonna pass, but you're still at still 482 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: people v school system. And unless you got Rob Kendall 483 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: in your town, good luck. Right, it's a it's a 484 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,239 Speaker 1: pick them, so a lot of chants, you're gonna have 485 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: your rebate's gonna go away because of the assessments continuing 486 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: to rise. Many school districts are going to pass referendums. 487 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: So now you didn't get any reduction, and now you 488 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,479 Speaker 1: have a referendum, so taxes go up. And these towns 489 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: who won't do referendums are going to raise your local 490 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: income tax. So you're going to see higher property taxes 491 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: and higher income taxes. And that that's from the personal 492 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 1: you pay side. The other side of this is now 493 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: you have created mass havoc for these government entities because 494 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 1: heaven forbid they be fiscally responsible. Go again, have gone 495 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty twenty three. Hey, the gravy train 496 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: may not last forever. We ought to put a few 497 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: bucks back. They have just basically not only spent to 498 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: the limit, but they bonded on it. Because that's what 499 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: actually due for communities, and this is important. Revenue to 500 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: communities isn't actually about the amount of money they have 501 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: in the moment. It's about the amount of money they 502 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: can bond on because every dollar is worth x amount 503 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: of dollars in the bond market, and so these these 504 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 1: local governments bond, many of them to capacity or near 505 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 1: capacity based on the dollars they have. Now, well, once 506 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 1: you've choked off some of those dollars, at least in 507 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: the short term because of the property tax reduction, they'll 508 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: get it back eventually, don't don't you worry. But in 509 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: the short term, now they've got to play this wacky 510 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: game a jinga, right, because they've bonded to capacity and 511 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 1: they're going to have some sort of revenue reduction right. 512 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 3: Well, and that will affect their credit. 513 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: Rating potentially, because again, heaven forbid you have any sort 514 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 1: of forethought and say, maybe this won't last forever. We 515 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: probably ought not to just spend it because we got it. 516 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: We ought to put it away. Now. Ed Delaney, whose 517 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: Democrat state rep. He's been on our show before, was 518 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: asked about this. He was at some sort of legislative conference. No, 519 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: it was alleged. I don't know he was at some 520 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: sort of event, some big event, and he was or 521 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: is he just talking to No, this may have been 522 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: just a direct interview with the Capitol Chronicle. I think 523 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: this was just a direct interview of the Capitol Chronicle 524 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: so it doesn't matter anyway. I'm talking to myself here. Luckily, 525 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,640 Speaker 1: no one's listening anyway. And the Landy he's a state 526 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: rep from Indianapolis, Democrat. He made a great point. He said, look, 527 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: we shouldn't be having a special session for the redistricting 528 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: stuff because that's not affecting anybody, it's just doing the 529 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: will of one guy in Washington, d C. We should 530 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: have a special session for property taxes. Now that we've 531 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: had a chance to hear from all these people, we've 532 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: seen all the damage it's going to do. Let's go 533 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: back in have a special session and fix the property 534 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: tax issue. And I bet that's not probably gonna happen. 535 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 3: You think. 536 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, he said the law was not thought out, and 537 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 2: he called for that special session. 538 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: So he's gonna be with us tomorrow to talk about 539 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: that and we'll get into what like an actual special 540 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: session on property taxes would look like, what does he 541 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: think needs to because Ed Delaney, to his credit, while 542 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 1: he's a Democrat, he was the guy. 543 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 3: Who is making the most sense, it seemed like during 544 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 3: the whole process. 545 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, he you know, he was the one who said, look, 546 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: we've got whatever is twenty nine hundred units of local 547 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: government in Indiana. It's utterly ridiculous, which is the same 548 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: thing that Kern and Shepherd report said, commissioned by Mitch 549 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: Daniels in the General Assembly almost twenty years ago, that 550 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: there's zero reason for most townships to exist. There's zero 551 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 1: reason many school systems can't consolidate. There's I mean, there's 552 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: just all sorts of government that doesn't need to exist, 553 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: which could save people a lot of money, which would 554 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: then at the very worst, allow those dollars to flow 555 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: to governments that are actually performing for the people, and 556 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: at the very best put a few dollars back in 557 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: our pockets. 558 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 2: Now here's something to consider. The article says that there 559 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 2: is a response from the GOP and that Travis Holdman, 560 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 2: Senator Holdman and the bill's author and also Representative Jeff 561 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 2: Thompson are working on changes for twenty cents. 562 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: How many times have they worked on this casey? 563 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, They said that it does need revisions, and Holdman 564 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 2: blamed misinformation from financial advisors for panickying the local officials, 565 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 2: and he said for misinformation from financial advisors. 566 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 3: And he also said the rollout has been all over 567 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 3: the board. 568 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: You you rotten you gross. 569 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 3: He's blaming it on someone else. 570 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 2: He was the author of the bill, and he's saying, wow, 571 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 2: we got some bad info. 572 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: We were screaming about this. See, this is why I 573 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: am the way I'm with these people because we were right. Again, 574 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: they these people, they bad mouth mealed. What did Jim 575 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: Merritt tell us earlier today about how he gets so 576 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,479 Speaker 1: much grief simply coming on this program. That's what these 577 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: people do. The mere existence of being in my presence 578 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: enrages these people, and yet we are right. Time after 579 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: time after time after time. They will not listen to 580 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: us because they don't want to give us the win. 581 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,959 Speaker 1: That's the thing we were talking about that we're somebody. 582 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: There was some thing. This was years ago, and they 583 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: straight up said, we don't want to give him the win. 584 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: I forget what it was. This may have even been 585 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: before you were here, but some lawmaker just openly admitted 586 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: they weren't going to do something because we don't want 587 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: to give him the win. We don't want him to 588 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: be able to go on his radio show and talk 589 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: about how he was right, and we caved and did 590 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: what he wanted. That's how disgusting these people are. Just 591 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: listen to us. I know this better than ninety nine 592 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,719 Speaker 1: point nine percent of the people out there, And we 593 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: begged you people not to do this thing, and then 594 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: they do it because they always think of the smartest 595 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: people in any room. They have unlimited resources at their 596 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: disposal to get things right that. 597 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 3: You're paying for. By the way, we we it's just us. 598 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: It's our life experience talking about this, and and and 599 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: they can't get it right, and yet they're gonna do 600 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: it again, and they'll screw it up even more. 601 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 2: You watch, speaking of life experience, I've got the application 602 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 2: pulled up for the Indiana to Regulatory Commission, the nominating committee. 603 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: Okay, let's take a break because we can. We want 604 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: to reset this now that we found out how much 605 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: these people actually make. Somebody may not have been listening earlier. 606 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: You're going to apply for. 607 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 2: This, we'll see based on some of the application questions. 608 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, there's no we'll see you have to 609 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: apply give it how much this job pays. So why 610 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: don't we, ohaly, take a break, and we'll reset how 611 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: much this this this public service position pays and the 612 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: application process. 613 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 3: Kennel and Casey on ninety three WIBC, dow. 614 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: You're not gonna win about are you? 615 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 3: Well? 616 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 2: One of the questions please identify any memberships or offices 617 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 2: you have held in any professional or trade organization. So 618 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 2: it was what pharmacy board, and then it was Brownsburg. 619 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: I'm not applying for anything. This is your deal. Not no, 620 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: wait a second, Okay, it's kenel Case show. I'm rody. 621 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 3: You don't went in on this. 622 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 1: This has been your deal, like this is your time 623 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: to shine? So last was it? Last week? I think 624 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: we there was an article saying that the governor is 625 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: there's been a commission formed. 626 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 3: To fill three spots on the. 627 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: IURC, the Anti Utility Regulatory Commission and their job they 628 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: have numerous jobs related to energy policy in the state 629 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: of Indiana, but the most direct one that affects most 630 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: people is they allow or deny rate increases from utilities. 631 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: A lot more allows than denies, and they're a big 632 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: reason your utility bills of skyrocketed. They basically rolled over 633 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: and played dead for the past several years for many 634 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: of these utilities. And so the governor, which is very 635 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: odd again not the phrase doesn't know his head from 636 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: his ass is a strong one Casey. But I think 637 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: it applies here because the governor just this past legislative 638 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: session signed a bill that everybody at the time was 639 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: screaming about he should not sign because it will increase 640 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: utility rates for many consumers. This is this doctor Frankenstein 641 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: SMRs that allow utilities to recoup the cost of research 642 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: and development whether the thing works or not, or comes 643 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: to market or not. And so he signed that, and 644 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden he comes out with this 645 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: me so concerned about utility rates spiel, and everybody's like, 646 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: but dude, you just screwed us, So why would we 647 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: believe that you care about our utility bills? And so 648 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: now he's on this whole thing about he pointed this 649 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: new consumer advocate, which the problem that PA has not 650 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: been the consumer advocate. It has been that the consumer 651 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: advocate has been ignored in front of the i u 652 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: r C. And now he has these three open spots 653 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: for the i U r C. And we we found 654 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: out last week we know someone on the commission, the 655 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: committee that makes the recommendations, right, Jim Merrit, our friend Jamrit. 656 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: And so this week we were shooting the breeze with 657 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: Merrit after we'd wrapped up our segment with him. Oh, 658 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 1: it's been a whole hour and I haven't mentioned it 659 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: about the dumpster fire mayor of Carmel in that city 660 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: government she's running over there. Boy, howdy, do yourself a 661 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: favor today. At some point go read the article and 662 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: the you are a current I think yourecurrent dot com 663 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,879 Speaker 1: is the name of the website. There is a glorious 664 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: article about what a rotten government Sue Fincolm's running over 665 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: there in Carmel, and now she can't get along with 666 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: her council members, and instead of doing the job of 667 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,879 Speaker 1: running the city, she's all hung up on some guys 668 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,320 Speaker 1: saying a city employee looked like they got all dulled 669 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,359 Speaker 1: up before a TV interview. Boy, go read it night. 670 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 3: She's got a two hundred and thirty two million dollar budget. 671 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what she's focused on. Anyway. Jim Merritt 672 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 1: and I were and you were there, and we were 673 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:43,760 Speaker 1: shooting the breeze about how much this job actually pays. 674 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, the people who sit on this commission. I know 675 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 2: she's appointed by the governor. 676 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 1: I naively thought it was some sort of you know, 677 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: one hundred dollars a meeting type of thing, or you know, 678 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: maybe get a little stipend, maybe a you know, a 679 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,359 Speaker 1: lunch lunch. 680 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,720 Speaker 2: Provided I'm thinking, oh, this is a volunteer position. 681 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Mary goes, oh, no, no, no, it's 682 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: like six figures. I was like, no way, Jim, and 683 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: he goes, oh, yeah, it's six figures. And we looked 684 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 1: it up and we believe the salary somewhere between like 685 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,479 Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty five and one hundred and fifty 686 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 1: eight thousand dollars to set on this commission. And so 687 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: last week you had decided, for fun, I would fill 688 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 1: out the application, and now you have to say the 689 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: screw for fun side of things, and you have to 690 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,760 Speaker 1: fill this out for real. You're speaking out one hundred 691 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 1: and fifty eight large on the line here. 692 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:26,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 693 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 2: So there's a lot of different questions in the application 694 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 2: beside your name and your birthday, your address, that sort 695 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:32,760 Speaker 2: of stuff. 696 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 3: It's pretty intense. 697 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 2: So let me share with you a few of the 698 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 2: things that they want to know about you. 699 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 3: Huh. This is under miscellaneous. 700 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:47,280 Speaker 2: Requires political diversity among commissioners. Please list your political party 701 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 2: affiliation if any, and it's duration. 702 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 1: Okay, So. 703 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 3: Do we have to put you know, since you've been 704 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 3: voting well the entire time. 705 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: Well, here like you would be able to put I mean, 706 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: be Republican. I guess. I mean you've voted in all 707 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: Republican primary. 708 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 3: Right. 709 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 2: So this goes back to the well, what if you're 710 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 2: not in good standing? 711 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. Mine would have to say Republican, 712 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 1: but maybe not in good standing. 713 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 3: Right. So those are some of the details. 714 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 1: I would put politically homeless if I filled that. 715 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 3: Out independent, Does that count? 716 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: No, I'd put politically homeless. But this is your this 717 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 1: is your form going. 718 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 2: Okay, So the Code of Ethics requires commissioners to abstain 719 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 2: from political or partisan activities while serving as commission commissioner. 720 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 2: So does hosting a political talk show count as political activity? No? 721 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: What's the phraseology on there? 722 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 2: You have to abstain from political or partisan activities while 723 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 2: serving as commissioner. 724 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 3: No, that's uh, they're talking about Lincolnday Dott. 725 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, like you can't you can't go to fundraisers things 726 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, No, you can't go to the Republican 727 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: and they're Democrat events things that nature. No, you don't 728 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: say you can't talk about politics. Okay, so we're good 729 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 1: at that because I'm banned, So good, I'm good on that. 730 00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 3: Okay. 731 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 2: If you have taken a visible role in matters of 732 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 2: significant public interest or controversy, please describe the circumstances. 733 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, we dump on you people every day. Please put 734 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: that in your application. We dump on you that direct quote. 735 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,319 Speaker 1: We dump on you people every day. 736 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 2: Please provide a list of professional personal references that can 737 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 2: attest to your character, abilities, and reputation. 738 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, you'll be fine with that. 739 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 3: That's pretty standard. 740 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 2: If you have ever been the subject of a background 741 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 2: investigation for state or federal positions or security clearance. 742 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 3: They want to know all of that. 743 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 2: What's the question they want to know if you've ever 744 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 2: been the subject of background for security clearance. The thing is, 745 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,919 Speaker 2: this application is more intense than the people who are 746 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 2: governing us. Yeah sure, no, absolutely, and they're going to 747 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 2: pay a whole lot of money, your money. 748 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 1: But you have to do this. 749 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 3: October fourteenth is the deadline. 750 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, absolutely, do you have to fill it out 751 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 1: and hopefully you'll get an interview. I mean, Merrit nos 752 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 1: just listen Merit as a reference. 753 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 3: So just put it all on him. 754 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,320 Speaker 1: All right. So let's take a break when we come back. 755 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: There was a fascinating piece of audio that is making 756 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: the round from that hearing out in Morgan County the 757 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: other night on the Data Center and some dude got 758 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 1: up there and just let it fly. And he is 759 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: my new hero. Love. I love this old guy. This 760 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 1: is awesome and you'll need to hear this audio because 761 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: Data Center is probably coming to a community near you. 762 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 2: You're listening to Kennilly Casey. It is ninety three WYBC