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Speaker 1: So they had the big interview yesterday that a lot of

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Speaker 1: people were talking about many other media outlets in the city,

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Speaker 1: The Hammer Nigel Show. He interviewed Guy Relford, who is

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Speaker 1: the attorney now for the person currently finds himself of

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Speaker 1: leaving the Boone County jail for that just horrible shooting

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Speaker 1: that took place in Whitestown. The cleaning cleaning lady was shot.

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Speaker 1: He claims he believed that she was trying to enter

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Speaker 1: the house. Jason Hammer, I want to get into his

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Speaker 1: Jason Hammer joins is now Hammer Hello, Hello, Hello, Okay,

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Speaker 1: So I listened to the full uh interview that you

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Speaker 1: guys did with Guy Relford, who is the attorney for

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Speaker 1: this this guy. I'm gonna be very interested to see

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Speaker 1: what the defense is. Because Ryan Hendrick was on with

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Speaker 1: us earlier. From the newsroom. There appeared to be no

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Speaker 1: attempt to call nine to one one. No, hey, somebody's

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Speaker 1: breaking into my home. This was very quick, So that's

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Speaker 1: gonna work against him. But Ralford seemed pretty confident on yours.

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Speaker 1: Of course, what's he really gonna say, Yeah, guy did it,

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Speaker 1: It's all over. But I'd be like, he's seem pretty

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Speaker 1: confident that this either the castle doctrine, stand your ground law,

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Speaker 1: that that's gonna it's gonna help him.

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Speaker 2: So it comes down to, but would you have done

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Speaker 2: against what the law is? Okay, because I hear a

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Speaker 2: lot of people say, well, why didn't he yell out

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Speaker 2: the door, Why didn't he say back up? Anybody move,

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Speaker 2: I'll blow your head off. Not everybody is over the top, bombastic, right,

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Speaker 2: that's what I would do. But not everybody is over

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Speaker 2: the top. Some people are very shy, some people are bashful.

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Speaker 2: Some people it's the reason why they have a weapon

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Speaker 2: to protect their family because they're not an alpha so

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Speaker 2: to speak. Right, And it's not the law. Again, I

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Speaker 2: am no lawyer. Let me make that privocate player shocking right,

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Speaker 2: It's not the law that you have to tell somebody

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Speaker 2: that's trying to come into your house to stop and

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Speaker 2: back away. So it's going to come down to, I

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Speaker 2: think guy trying to position what the law really is

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Speaker 2: compared to what other people would have done. And the

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Speaker 2: interesting thing to me is the castle doctrine. It's either

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Speaker 2: going to be as simple or as easy as this

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Speaker 2: can you prove to this court, the judge, the jury,

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Speaker 2: or whoever it is that the door is part of

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Speaker 2: the area that is with the castle doctrine. And do

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Speaker 2: you feel your life was in danger, because it's got

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Speaker 2: to be.

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Speaker 1: And you are one hundred percent right for all these

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Speaker 1: people who are well, I would you don't know what

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Speaker 1: you would do. And that's going on. You know, I

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Speaker 1: have any idea until it's it's going down. And again,

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Speaker 1: I'm wanna go back to something you said earlier. How

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Speaker 1: come he didn't call the police department or nine to

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Speaker 1: one one or something.

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Speaker 2: It's my understanding he called nine one one after the shooting, right,

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Speaker 2: But when this is all going down, you don't have time.

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Speaker 2: I've had somebody tried to kick in my front door

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Speaker 2: years ago at my old house. And when this kind

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Speaker 2: of thing happens, like I didn't call the police right away,

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Speaker 2: You've got to get some lunatic away from your door.

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Speaker 1: Well and so and yeah, and so I didn't want

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Speaker 1: anybody think I'm saying, oh, he definitely shouldn't.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying that.

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Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be one of the questions that's

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Speaker 1: gonna have to be answered, is was there if I'm

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Speaker 1: a jur right, Like, if I'm just trying to put myself.

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Speaker 1: I'm a jur Now you're gonna get instructions and things

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Speaker 1: you cansider, kid, but I'm just thinking, like off the

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Speaker 1: gonna asking of is did this guy have the opportunity

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Speaker 1: to do something other than what he did? It would

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Speaker 1: have been reasonable, would be safe to say, Hey, a

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Speaker 1: reasonable person might have fill in the blank. And that's

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Speaker 1: what they're gonna have to address, right.

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Speaker 2: And I see your YouTube chat, our YouTube chat, the

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Speaker 2: people on Twitter. You know, everybody has got a different opinion, right,

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Speaker 2: A lot of both sides of the argument here. But

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Speaker 2: let's just for argument's sake, say that this guy waited

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Speaker 2: until the door was opened. What if it wasn't a

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Speaker 2: cleaning lady. What if it was some lunatic who had

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Speaker 2: right away, Like you see where he's coming from, if

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Speaker 2: he really thought his life was in danger. He's woke

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Speaker 1: And it was dark like.

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Speaker 2: Some people are saying the sun was out. No, it

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Speaker 2: was dark and thin. It's pretty freaking dark and Indiana, right,

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Speaker 2: you can't see outside of dark, right, you know it

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Speaker 2: was dark, didn't know who it was, her keys jiggling,

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Speaker 2: somebody trying to get down this door. Yeah, and two

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Speaker 2: things can be true. Right, Could he have been maybe

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Speaker 2: But also it's okay to say that this was just

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Speaker 2: an accident too. I don't think this guy in the

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Speaker 2: to pull the trigger. I think he reacted because he

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Speaker 2: he wanted to kill this person. I don't think he was,

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Speaker 2: you know, doing it intentionally because they were hispanic or whatever.

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Speaker 2: I just think it's a horrible, horrible accident. Did guy

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Speaker 2: Rufford say anything? Does he believe that there's any sort

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Speaker 2: of advocacy groups that are wanting to change the castle

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Speaker 2: will make this about themselves. It's going to be somebody's

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Speaker 2: you know, anti gun thing. I'm sure you know Cadora

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Speaker 2: or one of these guys that have been traditionally anti gun.

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Speaker 2: This is going to be like their big campaign thing.

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Speaker 2: But they're just using it for poitical purposes, but as

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Speaker 2: of right now, no. But as a betting man, if

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Speaker 2: I had degenerates the next door of money to push

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Speaker 2: in the middle of the table, I'd say, sure, somebody's

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Speaker 2: gonna do that. Uh okay.

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Speaker 1: I was listening to interview you guys did with Guy

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Speaker 1: Relford last night and everybost you go back and listen again,

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Speaker 1: wait till noon. We don't care what you do during cats,

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Speaker 1: but it's a really good interview, and I was well

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Speaker 1: listen to that, thinking, you know, Guy Relford is in

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Speaker 1: a really interesting position because obviously this is a horrible event.

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Speaker 1: This guy is looking at potentially a long time in

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Speaker 1: serious and somebody died, right, I mean, it's a horrible event,

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Speaker 1: but this is like what Guy Relford lives for, are

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Speaker 1: these sorts of cases. So it's this weird sort of

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Speaker 1: and obviously it's horrible what happened, but then there's like,

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Speaker 1: his life too, and now he's back in the arena

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Speaker 2: Talked about this yesterday guy gets offered to take a

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Speaker 2: So for him to take this case, it tells me

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Speaker 2: he believes that something wrong may happen here. So again,

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Speaker 2: I think this is going to be really interesting. It's

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Speaker 2: a matter of your feelings against what the law is,

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Speaker 2: and sometimes the law does not care about your feelings.

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Speaker 2: The other thing to keep in mind, let's just say

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Speaker 2: this goes to a jury case. You've got to hope

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Speaker 2: and pray that the jury does things by the law, right,

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Speaker 2: Because I've been a juror on a case before where

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Speaker 2: I had some idiot that was actually a teacher at

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Speaker 2: Warren Central that quote did not want to send a

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Speaker 2: seventeen years old, even though it was a murder case.

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Speaker 2: So you deal with these types of idiots on a jury,

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Speaker 2: you just hope they know and abide by what the

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Speaker 2: law is in Indiana. That's all you can ask for.

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Speaker 2: Can't let your feelings get in the way of facts.

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Speaker 1: But from Ralpher's perspective, always got to do is get

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Speaker 1: one person to believe his side.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the guy didn't go to prison as long

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Speaker 1: as you get one person to believe your side.

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Speaker 2: And I'm willing to see if this goes to plea,

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Speaker 2: if you know, charges are lowered. Voluntary manslaughter is pretty hardcore,

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Speaker 2: not involuntary. Voluntary.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's bad. I mean, that's what I'm saying. Hey,

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Speaker 1: what's what's coming up this afternoon?

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Speaker 2: The governor scheduled to be in studio. I got a

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Speaker 2: five O six. I know you do. Uh, five o

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Speaker 2: six that's when he will join us, and uh, you

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Speaker 2: guys don't want to miss that