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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get to both of those things.

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Speaker 3: So yesterday President Trump he pledged to make DC safe, smart,

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Speaker 1: Okay, and he's doing this because what violence and tomfoolery

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Speaker 2: Parts of it. Yeah, it could be dangerous.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's some saying, like you get in your

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Speaker 2: You know, Washington Monument, everything, all.

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Speaker 1: I've ever told you this story. This is how wasteful

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Speaker 1: And I told them, like, there's nothing I'm going to

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Speaker 2: When what's that that you went? What year was that?

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Speaker 2: Something you could have done online.

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Speaker 2: What time of year was it, Oh it was fall.

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Speaker 1: You're not addressing the root cause? Because what sort of

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Speaker 1: Ye, but what is the city now. It's the home

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Speaker 1: Also, same thing with the capital.

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Speaker 7: You are, capital is dirty. Our whole country is dirty,

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Speaker 1: That's fine that there's nothing wrong with that, or pressing

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Speaker 1: They could be three billion. It wouldn't make any difference

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Speaker 1: Braun couldn't loose to the National Guard here. It wouldn't

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Speaker 1: it's a belief system thing, and it's just we don't

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Speaker 3: Okay, so what is Indianapolis's answer to crime? It is

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Speaker 3: to pass updated curfew hours for minors.

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Speaker 1: Now did they They did not. They passed the hours,

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Speaker 3: Correct So the hours go into effect immediately for the

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Speaker 2: And twenty days.

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Speaker 3: If you're fourteen or under, you have to be indoors

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Speaker 3: by nine pm daily ages fifteen through sixteen. It's nine

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's review what happened last night at the budgeting.

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Speaker 8: Whatever hog Set wants you have given, we have given

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Speaker 1: Everyone knows the problems of hogs Set. We don't have

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Speaker 1: This is the question to keep asking. What does this miserable,

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Speaker 1: In the Democrat caucus, you stand up to hawks that

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you have to issue an apology.

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Speaker 1: Even Marion County's a lost cause. All right, let's take

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Speaker 2: It is Kendall in Casey. It's ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 1: Okay, coming up next second, but we got a big guest.

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Speaker 1: Joe Berlinger is going to be our guest. He's got

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Speaker 1: a brand new documentary out on Netflix. It's called Conversations

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Speaker 1: with the Killer, the Son of Sam Tapes, and so

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Speaker 1: that's all about Alan Berkowitz. So we will interview him

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Speaker 1: coming up next. But first there is big drama with pizza.

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Speaker 3: That's right, So Andy had its first pizza festival and

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Speaker 3: it's facing some backlash over what took place. It was

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Speaker 3: held over the weekend. A monument circle drew abound four

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Speaker 3: thousand attendees. Tickets cost thirty dollars for unlimited pizza samples,

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Speaker 3: and there was voting on who had the best pizza

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Speaker 3: There were long lines prevented some people from getting their

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Speaker 3: some crowd congestion. There wasn't a lot of water to

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Speaker 3: just one giant mega line. And the organizer has come out,

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Speaker 3: Tommy Barret say his name. He's a local TikTok personality.

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Speaker 3: He's organized the event and he admitted to some of

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Speaker 3: they've got some learning to do.

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Speaker 9: The twenty twenty five Indianapolis Pizza Festival is in the

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Speaker 9: books for the first time. Everybody at a festival dedicated

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Speaker 9: strictly to pizza in the city of Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: Three things today, One.

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Speaker 9: I thank you, two congratulations and three what everybody's here

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Speaker 9: for addressing, feedback, understanding how to make it better for

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Speaker 1: First, thank you. Thank you to every.

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Speaker 9: Single vendor, sponsor, volunteer personally I walked through that gate.

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Speaker 9: Thank you to anybody that had a touch point for

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Speaker 9: this festival. There were a lot of hardworking people there

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Speaker 9: all day long, So thank you so much. Number two

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Speaker 9: to Shindig. Shindig, you want a five thousand dollars check

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Speaker 9: and forever known for the first time at the indianapospizecea

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Speaker 9: festival that you were going to the best pizza. Number

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Speaker 9: two was Brooklyn Shaw shout out to death, twenty five

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Speaker 9: Sheep and I cannot forget to mention that they decided

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Speaker 9: to donate back. Number three, which everybody's here for and

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Speaker 9: I understand that. So it's going to be the majority

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Speaker 9: of the video. Number three is feedback and understanding and

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Speaker 9: addressing things that happened at the festival. First, let's talk

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Speaker 9: about the passion for pizza that you guys.

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Speaker 3: So he goes on, Yeah, he goes on to defend

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Speaker 3: the festival and he says that it was a learning experience.

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Speaker 3: They planned a return next year, but he stated that

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Speaker 3: there will be no refunds issued.

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Speaker 1: But he did everything, but the thing.

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Speaker 2: He got to it eventually.

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Speaker 1: Well that's why, Like, so, what's he doing. He's not

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Speaker 1: giving any by their money back then had an unpleasurable experience,

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Speaker 1: and the guy's like, well.

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Speaker 2: Too bad, Yep, we'll get it right next year.

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, so the issue here was what the lines

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Speaker 3: So it was open for six hours, but you know

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Speaker 3: he's saying that so many people showed up within the.

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Speaker 2: First hour and a half. Okay, they weren't prepared.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, And I don't think amy saying there's any

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Speaker 1: ill intent here. But wouldn't common sense tell you, if

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Speaker 1: you have a food driven event, now you go to

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Speaker 1: they would are most used to eating food, which would

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Speaker 1: be a lunchtime. Right, This should not probably have been

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems to me though he did say that

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Speaker 3: there were some growing pains they planned to make improvements

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Speaker 2: So Kando is going through the three step process.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's what was a ticket? What did you have

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Speaker 2: Thirty dollars?

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Speaker 1: Thirty dollars? See, okay, here's my question on this, just

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Speaker 1: dollars of pizza? A lot? That's a lot of pizza.

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Speaker 1: I mean you could get you get Domino's, can get

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Speaker 1: like an entire large carryout for six or seven ninety nine. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's that's what four of those right? Who's eating four

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Speaker 2: Of the proceeds. We're going to go to the United

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Speaker 2: Way of Central Indiana as well.

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Speaker 1: Okay, very good, Well, all right, are you gonna go

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Speaker 3: If you?

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me praise like this we've got a beut

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Speaker 1: number seventy eight was the corrective the Dolge action, right,

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Speaker 1: Would you have any faith that it's gonna be better

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Speaker 2: Probably not.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my point, But I would be interested to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm yes. Anyway, I'm with you one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: All right, so let's take it right. When we come back,

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Speaker 1: we are scheduled to speak with Joe Berlinger. He is

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Speaker 1: He is the filmmaker for the new documentary three part

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Speaker 1: Netflix series, Conversations with the Killer, the Son of Sam Tapes. Well,

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Speaker 2: It's Kennelly Casey on ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 1: There is a new documentary out on Netflix. It's a

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Speaker 1: three part series, Conversations with the Killer, the Son of

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Speaker 1: I'm Rob Casey's here joining us now in the WIBC hotline.

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Speaker 1: Joe Berlinger. He is the Emmy Award winning, an OSCAR

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Speaker 5: Hello, Hey, nice to talk to you guys. How you

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Speaker 5: doing great?

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Speaker 1: So tell us about this three part docuseries, Conversations with

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Speaker 1: the Killer The Son of Sam Tapes. Tell us what

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, I have an ongoing series at Netflix called

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Speaker 5: Conversations the Killer. Previous seasons have been Ted Bundy, John

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Speaker 5: Berkowitz The Son of Sam. The series revolves around recordings

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Speaker 5: So these were tapes that were we've discovered that were

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Speaker 5: But New York City in the mid seventies was just

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Speaker 5: random shooter, David Berkowitz, who called himself the Son of Sam.

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Speaker 5: And he would stick a gun into the car window

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Speaker 1: Hey hey, Joe, real quick, I was just gonna ask you.

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Speaker 1: I just want to introduce you again. Our guests were

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Speaker 1: just shooting at Joe Burlinger. He's the Emmy Award winning,

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Speaker 1: the Killer The Son of Sam tapes available on Netflix.

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Speaker 1: How do you get these tapes? Because every one of

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Speaker 1: is fascinating. How do you come into these tapes?

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Speaker 5: You know a lot. I have to be honest. I

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Speaker 5: wish I could say that I'm some amazing detective who's

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Speaker 5: wrote a book that came out in nineteen eighty nine,

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Speaker 5: You know, generally speaking, serial killers are unreliable narrators and

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Speaker 5: and you know, we only include material that we can corroborate.

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Speaker 8: Joe, Obviously they're fairly.

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Speaker 5: as a cautionary tale. You know, when I was doing

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Speaker 5: And of course the lesson of Ted Bundy is that

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Speaker 1: what did you say? Just because someone's charming and good

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Speaker 5: Well, that's the lesson of that's the lesson of Bundy,

436
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Speaker 5: and I wanted to put that out for my daughter's generation.

437
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Speaker 5: So true crime. You know a lot of people do

438
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Speaker 5: criticize people for there's a knee jerk reaction about about

439
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Speaker 5: crime storytelling. But you know, human beings are the only

440
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Speaker 5: entities on this planet that kill for any other reason

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Speaker 5: than survival or for eating, and so it's part of

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Speaker 5: the human condition, and we certainly don't tell people. Don't

443
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Speaker 5: make stories about greed, don't make stories about adultery. You know,

444
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Speaker 5: making stories about murder is sadly, it's part of the

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Speaker 5: human condition and there's things to learn from it. So

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Speaker 5: I I reject this idea that just any show about

447
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Speaker 5: a serial killer is giving them a platform and it's

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Speaker 5: lessons we have to learn.

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Speaker 1: Joe Burling is our guest.

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Speaker 4: I agree.

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Speaker 5: I do agree. You have to do it responsibly, definitely.

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Speaker 5: You know there are very irresponsible versions of true crime

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Speaker 5: out there.

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Speaker 1: He's got a brand new three part Netflix Docusaries Conversations

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Speaker 1: with the Killer, The Son of Sam tapes before I

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Speaker 1: let you go. I'm fascinating. How long does it take

457
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Speaker 1: you to put this together?

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Speaker 5: It's about a year process.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 5: We research for a couple of months, we filmed for

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Speaker 5: a couple of months, and then we edit for about

462
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Speaker 5: six months. It takes it takes about a year to

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Speaker 5: put it all together.

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Speaker 1: What's the big reveal? Why should people watch this three

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Speaker 1: part docu series. What's something you think they're going to

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Speaker 1: learn or see that makes it worth the time?

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Speaker 5: Well, I think it's excellent storytelling, of course, So that's

468
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Speaker 5: that's fun, that's worth it. But I look at this.

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Speaker 5: I look at this case as kind of the foundational

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Speaker 5: case to why we are all upset us with crime.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 5: You know, true crime programming has never been more popular.

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Speaker 5: And because David Berkowitz in an era without social media,

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Speaker 5: in an era before the big twenty four hour cable

475
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Speaker 5: news cycle that just blew up, you know, news, before

476
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Speaker 5: all of this, Berkowitz had the city gripped in fear

477
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Speaker 5: because of how we interacted with the media, and the

478
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Speaker 5: media was only too willing to comply. And so out

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Speaker 5: of this, I think grew this codependency of media and

480
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Speaker 5: true crime fans, you know, never being satisfied with enough

481
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Speaker 5: and wanting more and more. And that's kind of where

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Speaker 5: we are today. I've never seen so much interest in

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Speaker 5: true crime, and I trace it back to this case.

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Speaker 1: All right, Joe, the other three that you mentioned are phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited to see this when you guys do

486
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Speaker 1: great work with this The Conversations with the Killer the

487
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Speaker 1: Son of Sam tapes on Netflix. Thank you for your

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Speaker 1: time and great work that you guys. Do you appreciate it?

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Speaker 3: Listening to Kennel and Casey, it's ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 1: Wow, my fadness. We got so much to get to

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Speaker 1: to this segment. He's gonna spit some fire. But first,

492
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Speaker 1: speaking of fire, it's gonna be a fire show for

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Speaker 1: you this afternoon, Jason Hammer, Fire.

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Speaker 10: And Ice this afternoon because we've got the acting ICE director,

495
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Speaker 10: todd Lyons on the Big Show today. So excited to

496
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Speaker 10: talk to that dude. I believe his direct supervisor is

497
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Speaker 10: Christy Nome, who is just going all in on the

498
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Speaker 10: South Park stuff. I love the fact that she's got

499
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Speaker 10: a good sense of humor about the South Park stuff

500
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Speaker 10: and she's posting the memes and we talked about this

501
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Speaker 10: the other day. That has to drive those dudes nuts, right,

502
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Speaker 10: So todd Lyons, the Homeland Security Acting ICE Director, will

503
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Speaker 10: be on with us and in studio scheduled to join

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Speaker 10: us at five point thirty today. Governor Mike bront Oh, Now,

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Speaker 10: we've got a lot of stuff to get to with

506
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Speaker 10: the gov. The meeting with JD Vance and the ice facility. Sure,

507
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Speaker 10: but and yes, we're gonna talk about the controversy surrounding

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Speaker 10: the Lieutenant Governor's office.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the allegations that AI porn was viewed shared in

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Speaker 1: the Lieutenant Governor's office.

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Speaker 10: Right, Like, I'm wondering if at this point, like Governor

512
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Speaker 10: Brown's like I didn't want this guy.

513
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Speaker 9: Like.

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Speaker 10: So we'll get into all that, But I have a

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Speaker 10: message for your listeners. Oh yes, yes, Yes, he's been

516
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Speaker 10: the Governor's been kind enough to join us in studio

517
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Speaker 10: every month.

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Speaker 1: So this will be the eighth appearance.

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Speaker 10: Of Governor Brown.

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Speaker 1: Oh how exciting.

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Speaker 10: The seven previous trips into studio. I have asked him

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Speaker 10: about property taxes seven times. Yes, And your listeners I

523
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 10: can clearly tell they don't listen because during a conversation

524
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Speaker 10: last time he was here, Huh, I had already asked

525
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Speaker 10: him about property taxes. Yes, I've got kendalln Casey people going,

526
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Speaker 10: how come you haven't asked him about property taxes? Look,

527
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Speaker 10: you're not going to like the answer. The answer is

528
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Speaker 10: not going to change, That's right. We got a lot

529
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Speaker 10: of crap.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get to today.

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Speaker 10: We're probably not going to talk property tax He screwed you.

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Speaker 1: Just accept it and move on. He screwed you, like,

533
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Speaker 1: just go just wead.

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Speaker 3: The camer's point is that he has asked people are

535
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Speaker 3: just a selective hearing.

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Speaker 1: It's not going to change.

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Speaker 10: He screwed you, he lied, go on like and I

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Speaker 10: appreciate the passion of your your listeners. I don't know

539
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 10: what you call your listeners. Like my fans are hamorrhoids.

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Speaker 10: Nigel's fans are Nige aira.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 10: But we're probably not going to talk property taxes today.

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Speaker 10: We will revisit it. The answer is not going to change.

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Speaker 10: You're probably not gonna like it. But we got a

545
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 10: lot of stuff to get to, especially with what's going

546
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Speaker 10: on at the Lieutenant Governor's office.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of which, in Lieutenant Governor's office, I posted this

548
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Speaker 1: yesterday there appeared to be some breaking news. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if he meant to do it or not, but

550
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Speaker 1: the husband of Micah's chief of staff apparently stooged himself

551
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Speaker 1: off here and said something about there being a grand

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Speaker 1: jury investigation. Let me read you the post. And because

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Speaker 1: I haven't heard anybody say anything publicly about a grand

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Speaker 1: jury investigation. And now now who is this again? This

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Speaker 1: is the husband of Micah's chief of staff. So his

556
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Speaker 1: chief of staff is a female. Yeah, Sherry Ellis is

557
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Speaker 1: her name, and this is her husband. And he was

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Speaker 1: posting back back to me about something. So I will

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Speaker 1: read you this and you tell me if this could

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Speaker 1: be anything other than a recental person. We led to

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Speaker 1: believe he must be aware of some sort of grand

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Speaker 1: jury investigation because I haven't Readymindy mentioned that publicly, ask yourself,

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Speaker 1: ask your so. I love how you turned into Vince

564
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Speaker 1: McMahon when you start reading these things. I can't believe

565
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: this guy posted us on the internet. But Stu is

566
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Speaker 1: the gift that keeps on giving. H. So they are

567
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Speaker 1: so worried about Micah's investigation because what we have said

568
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Speaker 1: is Micah claims some investigation was done on this and

569
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Speaker 1: one day on a weekend, but he won't give anybody

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Speaker 1: any details about it.

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 1: He went on the Fort Wayne radio yesterday and basically admitted, oh,

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Speaker 1: we did that all ourselves.

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Speaker 10: Now, but hold on full stop right there before we

575
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Speaker 10: get into what the husband did, which is always laughable.

576
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Speaker 10: The spouse, Nige is a much nicer person than I am.

577
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Speaker 10: I think we'll all agree, right, Nige has a heart.

578
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 10: Some people say I don't, and that's fine. Nige put

579
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Speaker 10: an olive branch out to Micah this past Friday, Thursday

580
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 10: or Friday and said, looks a lot of allegations out there.

581
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Speaker 10: How would you like to come on our show and

582
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 10: clear the air. You know, we'll ask questions, you give answers,

583
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Speaker 10: we'll let our audience decide. Micah passed and gave us

584
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Speaker 10: some sort of statement to read, which all right, whatever.

585
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Speaker 10: So we thought, okay, maybe he's just not doing media,

586
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 10: but you're telling me he went on fort Wayne, Oh yeah,

587
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 10: butt sniffers up at Woe Woe.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Well that's what Micah does. Micah runs to

589
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Speaker 1: people who will smooch his butt cheeks and won't challenge him.

590
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Speaker 1: And he knows. Now WIBC is hip to what's going on. Now.

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Speaker 10: Listen, you guys have been way tougher on Micha than

592
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 10: anybody has. Right our show, we try to be a

593
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 10: little bit more entertaining, but we also have opinions. We

594
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Speaker 10: have pushed back on Micah, we have pushed back on

595
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Speaker 10: Governor Brawn, but it's you know, it's not like it's

596
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 10: a lunatic you in our studio, right, I think that's fair, right,

597
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Speaker 10: And to kind of give Nige the middle finger like that,

598
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Speaker 10: after he offered time on the most listened to news

599
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Speaker 10: talk show in the Midwest, the number one rated drivetime

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Speaker 10: show in the state, a show that has been in

601
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Speaker 10: the last three years name number one, three and two

602
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Speaker 10: in America, and he's going to go on with the

603
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Speaker 10: butt sniffers at WO WO because they won't challenge him.

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Speaker 10: This story doesn't make any sense. He claims he has

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Speaker 10: done this one day weekend investigation, which not only are

606
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Speaker 10: these guys, by the way, his workers, there are some

607
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,719
Speaker 10: of his closest supporters and friends. And for eleven days

608
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Speaker 10: now he claims he's done this investigation.

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Speaker 1: He didn't say there could be more. He definitively said

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Speaker 1: it cleared them. They didn't do this, and he won't

611
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Speaker 1: show it to anyone who used Micah was a state

612
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Speaker 1: police certainly not. We now know it was his office.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't IMPD, it wasn't even Forensics r US. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't even a bought and paid for commisson like hog

615
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Speaker 1: Set like to do. Like hog Set has bought and

616
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Speaker 1: paid for two reports.

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Speaker 10: One of them blamed IMPD for the riots for showing

618
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Speaker 10: up two riots and riot gear, and the other one

619
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Speaker 10: was the one that said he did nothing at all

620
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Speaker 10: wrong during the sexual harassment scandal.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, those.

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Speaker 10: Chicks were asking for us paraphrasing, of course.

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Speaker 1: So he apparently did some magical one day investigation on

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Speaker 1: a weekend that cleared his guys. But he won't show

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Speaker 1: anybody the details. He won't tell anybody about what he got. He's,

626
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Speaker 1: by the way, in addition to being a horrible crappy boss,

627
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: he's a horrible crappy friend for letting his peeps twist

628
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: in the wind like this. But that's the Micah emo. Anyway,

629
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Speaker 1: back to the chief of staff. So let's talking about

630
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Speaker 1: the husband, okay, So and then this is what we want.

631
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Speaker 1: We want the details on the investigation. If he can

632
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Speaker 1: prove the guys didn't do it, put it out there right.

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Speaker 10: I am an innocent until proven guilty guy. Absolutely, because

634
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Speaker 10: I'm old enough to remember what happened to the Duke

635
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 10: La Crosse kids, the Trevor Bauers story. I am not

636
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 10: a believe all women, all allegations are true, guy, I'm not,

637
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Speaker 10: But I'm also not trust this internal investigation guy either.

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00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: Right, if you've got you.

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Speaker 10: Know, if there's no there there, then show us what

640
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Speaker 10: you got.

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Speaker 1: Ask yourself. So they're so worried about Mike's investigation, What

642
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: about the Marion County prosecutor investigation? Okay, fine, we know

643
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Speaker 1: they're investigating.

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00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 10: Craig Haggart said that here's where it gets really interesting.

645
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Speaker 10: The one time the Marion County prosecutor is going to

646
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Speaker 10: get tough because it's the Republican on the other side.

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Speaker 1: But go ahead, what.

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Speaker 8: About the grand jury investigation? I'm sorry, what what about

649
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Speaker 8: the grand jury investigation? What about the what grand jury investigation?

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Speaker 8: What grand jury investigation? Who said there was a grand

651
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Speaker 8: jury investigation?

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Speaker 1: He just did. It appears this guy, the chief of staff,

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Speaker 1: Mike's chief of staff, her husband has just made some

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Speaker 1: very breaking news there about some sort of grand jury investigation,

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Speaker 1: which is a way different thing than some person at

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Speaker 1: the Marion County Prosecutor's office just looking into things.

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Speaker 10: Look, I don't know his chief of staff. I don't,

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Speaker 10: but I would imagine she probably just wants her husband

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Speaker 10: to shut up at this point, like if there anything

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Speaker 10: worse than when you as an individual are involved in

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Speaker 10: something and the spouse wants to jump in and just

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Speaker 10: makes it worse. Like I remember Matt Stafford, he's an

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Speaker 10: NFL quarterback, plays for the Rams. Yeah, his wife, Kelly,

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Speaker 10: she's very conservative, very cute. I like Kelly Stafford, but

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Speaker 10: she gets a little mouthy on social media. And this

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Speaker 10: was during the whole era of kneeling.

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Speaker 1: For the anthem and the riots.

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Speaker 10: She was saying a lot of stuff on social media

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Speaker 10: that was making it tough on her husband in the

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Speaker 10: locker room, who was surrounded by people who feel the

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Speaker 10: opposite way. So I remember Matt Stafford having to tell

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Speaker 10: his wife, you're making it hard for me. Knock it

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Speaker 10: off paraphrasing, of course.

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Speaker 1: Oh but wait, there's more. Oh No, they went to

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Speaker 1: this guy went down some big rabbit hole yesterday and

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Speaker 1: appears to want people to think that somehow WIBC might

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Speaker 1: be being controlled by George Soros. Right, all of the

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Speaker 1: things that I've said about Ryan Mere, do you really

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Speaker 1: think if this were a Soros bought and paid for operation,

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Speaker 1: I'd still be here today. So here's what they found,

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Speaker 1: And this is hilarious. So George Soros bought part of ors,

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Speaker 1: part owner or a company is how they usually do.

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Speaker 1: Just that owns a company called Odyssey now, which is

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Speaker 1: a major radio station owner. WIBC is owned by Urban One.

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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty one, there was an agree some sort

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Speaker 1: of content sharing agreement, which is like what we have

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Speaker 1: with which TV now there are partners right in which

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Speaker 1: National Urban One was going to do some sort of

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Speaker 1: national sharing agree with National Odyssey. The key is twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one one is the date in which WIBC was

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Speaker 1: not even owned by Urban One and Odyssey was not

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Speaker 1: owned by George Soros. But yet this is their big

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Speaker 1: reveal in Smoking Gun. And this is why we're going

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Speaker 1: after Micah. Not because we think it stinks, not because

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Speaker 1: the stories don't add up, Not because just like when

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Speaker 1: he was hanging out with the high profile convicted felon

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Speaker 1: at the NBA Finals basketball game, he can't tell a coherent,

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Speaker 1: consistent story. We're not digging because we have serious questions.

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Speaker 1: We're digging because potentially George Soros is behind us. Wait, Rob,

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Speaker 1: apparently the husband is Matt Locke, the husband Perry Mason,

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Speaker 1: and he's put all of the clues together and we're

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Speaker 1: bought and paid for by Soros. I love this, so

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Speaker 1: it's a bit like he writes a Dickens novel about this.

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Speaker 1: This is the same guy who apparently stooged out. I

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Speaker 1: guess there must be some sort of grand jury investigation

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Speaker 1: going on involving Micah's office. Here here's how he ends it. However,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't seem unreasonable and unreasonable assumption that this could

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Speaker 1: affect content on WIBC, though no direct evidence supports this,

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Speaker 1: but discernment and critical thinking could suggest a possibility. We're

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Speaker 1: pretty equal opportunity. Like the haters of IBC don't really

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Speaker 1: understand this. Like the folks on the left say your

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Speaker 1: Republican talking points, and now you've got folks on the

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Speaker 1: right saying you're bought and paid for by Soros. If

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Speaker 1: both of those people are saying those things, that tells

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Speaker 1: us we're doing a pretty good job and calling out

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Speaker 1: buttholes on each side of the aisle. We are equal opportunity.

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Speaker 10: Offenders here, right, don't screw up and we won't have

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Speaker 10: to rip you real.

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Speaker 1: Quick to just just I just want to give a

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Speaker 1: message to Micah. Please never let this guy delete his Facebook.

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Speaker 1: He is the gift that keeps on giving. He can't

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Speaker 1: keep his mouth shut. And Micah, the fact that you're

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Speaker 1: if you have cleared these guys and you have definitive

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Speaker 1: proof they didn't do it, and you can refute what

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Speaker 1: Tom Labianco has written in those pieces, and you have

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Speaker 1: this evidence that could clear these guys who are not

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Speaker 1: only worker but they're your friends and supporters. You are

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Speaker 1: a rotten, disgusting dude. Put up or shut up, dude.

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Speaker 1: Put it out there. Tell us what the investigation showed.

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Speaker 10: Again, I don't know if it's three of or not,

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Speaker 10: but clear the air, right, get these innocent people off

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Speaker 10: the hook exactly. Yeah, Hey, I better be careful this afternoon,

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Speaker 10: so I don't want my boss, George Soros to get angry.

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Speaker 10: Like if I say, Ryan meres Pa sitting down, I might.

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Speaker 1: Not have a job this afternoon. Look out.

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Speaker 10: We weren't out of time, but I wanted to also

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Speaker 10: talk about that dork Scott Baldwin too, remember him sister

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Speaker 10: voting for property tax.

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Speaker 1: Well we'll save him for tomorrow because we got something

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Speaker 1: fun on him out of that goon.

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Speaker 10: Hey, yeah, big show this afternoon. We got the governor,

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Speaker 10: we got the Ice director Jeff Bogs two,