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Speaker 1: Nathan bar joining us now on the Java House Colbrew

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Speaker 1: Coffee guest line. Nathan, did you, I'll ask him, did

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Speaker 1: you happen to watch last night?

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Speaker 2: The end?

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Speaker 1: And I know you were probably working and writing up

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Speaker 1: stuff on Purdue? Did you see the end of the

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Speaker 1: Iowa Florida game?

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Speaker 2: By chance?

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Speaker 3: Sadly, I can't help you with that. I was driving

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Speaker 3: back from Saint Louis well I figured, yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Wish so you if you watch it.

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Speaker 1: They come down and Iowa needs a two to tie

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Speaker 1: a three to take the lead late in the game,

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Speaker 1: and they hit a three out of the corner with

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Speaker 1: three point four seconds left. And for a group of

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Speaker 1: players that are playing for that coach for the first

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Speaker 1: time this season, as soon as that ball went through

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Speaker 1: the net, I watched it. I reround and watched it twice.

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Speaker 1: Every player on the floor immediately and instinctively gets into

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Speaker 1: defensive position. There's no celebrating, there's no looking up, there's

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Speaker 1: no jumping, there's no nerve, nothing, immediately instinctively getting in

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Speaker 1: position on the floor. And I look at that and

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Speaker 1: I go, that is coaching one on one right there.

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Speaker 1: That guy McCullum can flat out coach was what I

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Speaker 1: was going to say. But at the same time, let's

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Speaker 1: talk about Purdue and the coaching that Matt Painter has done,

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Speaker 1: because one of the things I think that is a

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Speaker 1: sign a great coaching is when if one guy didn't

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Speaker 1: kind of lifts you up? And I thought, I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying that Paynter pushed the button on CJ. Cox, but CJ.

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Speaker 1: Cox was huge for Purdue yesterday, and then obviously there

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Speaker 1: was kind of an injury there that was tweaked. First off,

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Speaker 1: let's begin with that. What's the latest that you know

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Speaker 1: in terms of the health status there?

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Speaker 2: You know, no.

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Speaker 3: Update as of this morning, but I talked to CJ.

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Speaker 3: Cox in the locker room yesterday. He didn't seem overly concerned.

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Speaker 3: Now we've been led astray before. I can remember being

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Speaker 3: whatever that was in twenty eighteen, and everybody thought everything

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Speaker 3: was okay, and then fifteen minutes later a season was over.

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Speaker 3: So but this doesn't appear to be anywhere near that serious.

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Speaker 3: They had him running and stretching, doing agility things because

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Speaker 3: he wanted to come back in the game. He thought

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Speaker 3: he could come back in the game. Frankly, they just

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Speaker 3: didn't need him to come back in the game. They

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Speaker 3: it was okay for him to just take that rest.

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Speaker 3: He seemed very confident that he'll be able to play.

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Speaker 3: It's not the best situation because they've got to get

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Speaker 3: back on a plane tomorrow. It just like we do

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Speaker 3: aggravating sometimes for injuries. But he was just icing the knee.

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Speaker 3: They didn't have anything on the knee when he came

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Speaker 3: back out of the locker room to sit on the sideline.

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Speaker 3: So I think there's reason for optimism right now that

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Speaker 3: he will be able to play. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: it'll be anything that inhibits him. He is produced best defender.

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Speaker 3: He is the guy that they will put on the

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Speaker 3: other team's biggest, non big man scoring threat. And sometimes

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Speaker 3: he'll even take on guys who are you know, more

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Speaker 3: those sort of wing challenges too. Sometimes if they're you know,

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Speaker 3: Jakari Harris backs him up and did it very well yesterday.

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Speaker 3: And Omermeyer sometimes takes on pieces of those assignments too,

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Speaker 3: but he's the first guy through the door on those.

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Speaker 3: That's why he starts, and that's they'll want to make

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Speaker 3: sure that he gets the treatment necessary, that he's got

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Speaker 1: The increased defensive I won't say pressure as much as

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Speaker 1: just attention to detail that Purdue was able to put

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Speaker 1: together for the Big ten tournament. Did you feel that

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Speaker 3: It came and went a little bit, I thought, But

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Speaker 3: some of that is dictated by your opponent. I mean,

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Speaker 3: tournament game. Probably, I mean, their seasons are on the line.

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Speaker 3: I thought Miami, the way they did attacked in the

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Speaker 3: an uncommon opponent too. Even though they've played Trey Donaldson

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Speaker 3: who They're not an exceptional three point shooting team, as

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Speaker 3: we saw in the second half, but when they were

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Speaker 3: of just being in front of their guy. That sounds

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Speaker 3: If you saw in the second half, Miami missed a

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Speaker 3: the keys to that game was going to be Purdue

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Speaker 3: prove it could consistently hit threes. It couldn't do either

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Speaker 3: of those things in the second half, when Purdue just

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Speaker 1: Nathan Baird is my guest Indianapolis Star is where you

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Speaker 1: can read his work. He is on the Java House

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Speaker 1: Colbrew Coffee guest line. Nathan Fletcher Lawyer getting going yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Purdue is obviously a different team. The numbers

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Speaker 1: would say it difference the wrong way of saying it,

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Speaker 1: but they are really difficult to beat when Fletcher Lawyer

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Speaker 2: It happened yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Was that a matter of them taking what was presented

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Speaker 1: jump start Fletcher Lawyer a bit.

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Speaker 3: Well, Matt Painter would want me to make sure to

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Speaker 3: point out that if there's wrinkles in the offense, it's

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Speaker 3: probably PJ. Thompson that's doing him. He's the one that

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Speaker 3: has taken over that role. But really, I think what

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Speaker 3: I think he's like third in the country or was

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Speaker 3: that had been fifty six point three percent from three

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Speaker 3: And the reason I know that's because I had just

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Speaker 3: written a thing for Indie Star dot Com for Saturday

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Speaker 3: Morning Sunday Morning about Fletcher Lawyer. And usually that's kind

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Speaker 3: of like an unintentional jinks job sometimes that a guy

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Speaker 3: now they fall off of that rate and he goes

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Speaker 3: Fletcher Lawyer is doing those things, some of that was

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Speaker 3: just things kind of reverting to the mean a little bit.

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Speaker 3: He'd had a rough stretch of shooting where shots weren't falling.

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Speaker 3: He had a four of seventeen game against Nebraska included

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Speaker 3: think it's indicative of the health of the Purdue offense

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Speaker 3: as a whole. It's been getting the ball inside to

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Speaker 3: Trakeofferman and Oscar cloff and the actions that the defensive

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Speaker 3: opens things up for Fletcher Lawyer. They ran a couple

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Speaker 3: there wasn't a ton of those. One of them I remember,

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Speaker 3: took like two steps up and just shot a three

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Speaker 3: dialing things up for him. Some of it is him

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Speaker 3: being a smart guy. He's always had this knack, but

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Speaker 3: especially now as a I think he knows how to

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Speaker 3: right now he's just really locked into the best extended

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Speaker 3: many times, I think in the nca Tournament as a

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Speaker 3: And I think what we've seen from Perdue for the

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Speaker 3: most part for the last two weeks is a team

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like because I do feel this way, Nathan,

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Speaker 1: but you watch it with a much more you know,

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Speaker 1: and it took a while, but Kluff and Kaufman Wren

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Speaker 1: it seems like it's because now finally he has kind

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Speaker 2: Did they alter something to facilitate that.

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Speaker 3: They have made a little bit of an alteration late

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Speaker 3: in the season just in terms of their substitution pattern

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Speaker 3: just sort of a standard center for center switch. They

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Speaker 3: Now Kauflin Wren comes out, they put in Jack Benter,

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Speaker 3: Thanks a lot anytime.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and I'm assuming a lot. Yeah, we grew up in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty four times in the history of Major League Baseball.

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Speaker 2: When's the last time you saw the Pirates play in Pittsburgh?

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Speaker 2: I loved Debonsa from BYU.

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Speaker 1: Love him And this has been theoretically dust in a

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Speaker 4: Like even though like I like, I know everybody looks

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Speaker 4: They're gonna know it's Halliburton's team, They're gonna know it's

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Speaker 4: and I think it's worth looking into because he's just

439
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:32,120
Speaker 4: been so fantastic.

440
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Speaker 1: Acuff's like, and I know he's smaller, right, A Cuff

441
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:42,560
Speaker 1: kind of reminds me of the best trait of both

442
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,400
Speaker 1: them Hard and Haliburton combined, because he can he can

443
00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,440
Speaker 1: burst to the basket, but he's got mid range pull

444
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 1: up as well, right he.

445
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Speaker 4: Does he does, I mean shoots his forty You're shooting

446
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,199
Speaker 4: forty four point six from three. I mean, he's you know,

447
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:55,560
Speaker 4: like you could make him work.

448
00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:56,159
Speaker 2: Like I'm not going to.

449
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,080
Speaker 4: Sit here and say that it wouldn't work with a cuff,

450
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,480
Speaker 4: you know, like a cuff would be a perfectly find get.

451
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,880
Speaker 4: And I think if they if they do enough research

452
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,680
Speaker 4: on Peterson, and I'm like, I think they My view was,

453
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,440
Speaker 4: I think they take the boons of first at the

454
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,040
Speaker 4: end of the day, Like I think, like they could

455
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 4: go through all of it if they get number one pick,

456
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 4: I think they take the bombsa but you know, like

457
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:20,120
Speaker 4: Boozer is an interesting case. You know, Peterson's an interesting case.

458
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,680
Speaker 4: If they look at Peterson, they're like, I don't trust it,

459
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 4: and either they pick after Boozers off the board or whatever.

460
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,240
Speaker 4: Like I mean, yeah, I think they could touch themselves

461
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:32,639
Speaker 4: in bay Cuff. But I mean I think Caleb Wilson's

462
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,639
Speaker 4: really good too, Like as much as he's out of

463
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Speaker 4: sight out.

464
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Speaker 2: Of mind with you forget about Wilson, right, yeah.

465
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Speaker 4: It's just I mean, he's he's fantastic. I mean, like

466
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,119
Speaker 4: my view going into this was it was like, Caleb

467
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Speaker 4: Wilson's the fourth pick. Like, however, those top three, those

468
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 4: the bonds of Peterson Boozer shakeout Caleb Wilson's fourth, and

469
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Speaker 4: then it's everybody after that.

470
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 2: Well, Flemings at Houston is in the mix as well, right.

471
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, Flemings is Houston Wagler, Illinois. You know, again, a cuff.

472
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Speaker 4: I think his has made it a huge leap from

473
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Speaker 4: I don't not that he wasn't going to be a

474
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,399
Speaker 4: high pick already, but I mean he's just he's had

475
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 4: a fantastic season and he's you know, he's been terrific

476
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 4: this entire time. So I think he's playing himself into you,

477
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,640
Speaker 4: like you have to at least if you're a top

478
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 4: five team, you have to.

479
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 3: Bring a cuff in.

480
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 4: You have to at least see what he's got, you know,

481
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 4: for a workout, like you have to at least see

482
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 4: him up close. I mean, I don't know if you

483
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,439
Speaker 4: ultimately make it, especially I mean if you need a

484
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 4: point guard, he rises up your list real high. I mean,

485
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 4: I think he's passed up Flemmings as far as that's concerned.

486
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,920
Speaker 4: I think, you know, like I think, I think a

487
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 4: cuff is if those if the top four or who

488
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:41,640
Speaker 4: I still think they're gonna be. I think a cuff

489
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Speaker 4: goes Staff.

490
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Speaker 1: Dustin A Pirek is my guest. He's on the Java

491
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 1: House Coldbrew Coffee guest line. He is with the Indianapolis Star, Dustin.

492
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 1: When you look at this season for Indiana, where we

493
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Speaker 1: have had the opportunity for Rick Carlisle to use so

494
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: many different combinations, and we've talked about players that maybe

495
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Speaker 1: have taken advantag of opportunity to show where they can

496
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Speaker 1: fit in. Is there any area of weakness or need

497
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:11,880
Speaker 1: for this franchise that has shown itself this year throughout

498
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 1: this inventory that perhaps you did not anticipate going in.

499
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Speaker 4: I think, I mean, I guess the weird part is,

500
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 4: like I feel like it's been such a skewede season

501
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 4: that it's been hard to read. But like I do,

502
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 4: you are worried about how this team guards, I mean,

503
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 4: like and like I know, part of it is just

504
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 4: not having a sense of urgency, Like they're not They're

505
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 4: not like standing on this hill that they have to

506
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 4: defend and oh my god, you know, if someone gets

507
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 4: passed for a layup, what are you ever going to do?

508
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 4: Like I think there's that that like sense of like

509
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 4: you have to win one of these games like cost

510
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 4: you on the defensive end. The fact that you don't

511
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 4: have that. I mean, they're just they're just giving up

512
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 4: layups like this left and right, you know, especially just

513
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 4: since the All Star Break. It's just a constant. But

514
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know, like I think, I don't

515
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 4: know if there's anything that wasn't there, And like I

516
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 4: think you have to I think you have to replace

517
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,239
Speaker 4: the scoring from mathadon, you know, Like I do think

518
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 4: you have to replace that on the second unit. But

519
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 4: I mean, I still I'm not convinced. I guess that

520
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 4: what they're going to have if they get if they

521
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 4: get one of these picks and you combine it with

522
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 4: all right, you know, like calibert and Emhard and Smith

523
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 4: siakam Zu Box, Like I think that's a team that

524
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 4: can play, you know, in the second unit with McConnell,

525
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 4: you know, Peterson's or Bonsa Walker Top and huff Is. Okay,

526
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 4: you know, it's pretty good at least, you know, or

527
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 4: if you get boozer and you maybe move top into

528
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 4: five and you just play those two together and you know,

529
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 4: put huff On as kind of a deaf guy. Uh,

530
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 4: you know, figure something else, maybe a shepherd or something

531
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 4: like that to play the two. Like, I think you've

532
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 4: got enough pieces. But it's just like sort of collectively,

533
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 4: I think you need to re establish that you can

534
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 4: guard somebody, you know, you know, as a collective.

535
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 2: You know.

536
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 4: So it's like if if I don't know where they're

537
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 4: gonna be another place to add perimeter defense or where

538
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 4: that will be an opportunity to even play that. But

539
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 4: it is just sort of a not that they had

540
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 4: it all together in the first place. I mean, they

541
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 4: weren't necessarily a great defensive team last year. You know,

542
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 4: they were better than they probably had reached better than

543
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 4: average status after being horrendous the year before. But it's

544
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 4: just it does stand out like, all right, like you

545
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 4: guys really think weole to do this up again, you know,

546
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 4: like are you guys gonna be able to get back

547
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 4: to playing real defense when it matters?

548
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 3: Like are you sure?

549
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 4: You know? That's kind of my interesting question with this

550
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 4: group is Okay, like, are you going to be able

551
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 4: to find that again after you kind of let up

552
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 4: with it this year?

553
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: Have we gotten any update or have you dustin You know,

554
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: obviously I know that Tyre's Halliburton being out for the year.

555
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: That goes without saying we knew that going into it,

556
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: even though we have seen other players, notable Jason Tatum

557
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: come back within same season, but he also had shingles.

558
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: Have we had any update at all on where things

559
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: are with Haliburton just in terms of how he is

560
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 1: or how his recovery is going. Yeah.

561
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 4: The last time, so I think it was, was the

562
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 4: Milwaukee trip. Yeah, I think it was. It was the

563
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 4: Milwaukee trip, the Milwaukee Knicks trip. You know, Rix said

564
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 4: he was back with the team. We haven't seen him since. Yeah,

565
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 4: I don't think we've seen him on the bench. I

566
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 4: don't say, like he might have been there in Milwaukee

567
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 4: and New York and so I don't know. I don't

568
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 4: know how the shingles thing is going exactly, so you know,

569
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 4: like that's the thing that can linger a little bit.

570
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 4: They said it was gonna be two three weeks, so

571
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 4: like the last I heard was like I think that

572
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 4: was last Sunday. I think it was selection Sunday was

573
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 4: the was the Bucks game, and yeah, Tony asked how

574
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 4: he was doing it. Rix said, he's doing better. You know,

575
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 4: he's with the team, but like he wasn't there, and

576
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 4: there was this like I got one of these like

577
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 4: promotional emails they were doing, like it was like for

578
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 4: through Reeses and he was supposed to be part of

579
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 4: this like panel with Richard Jefferson, Andrea Carter and Brianna

580
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 4: Stewart and they were all going to share the bracket.

581
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 4: So the other three showed up for it, and they

582
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 4: just never said, like Tyreee wasn't there and they never

583
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 4: said why, you know, so I'm presuming it had to

584
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 4: be health related because he's Tyree's and he'd love to

585
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 4: do stuff like that, Like that's like right up his alley,

586
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 4: so you know, like go on there and like like

587
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 4: talk a bunch of mess with Richard Jefferson Like that's that's.

588
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 1: Totally And this was this was a this was Reese's candy,

589
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: like the peanut butter cup folks.

590
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, like Reese is like this.

591
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 3: They were doing something.

592
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 2: Because his name is Tyrese could have.

593
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 3: Been but I think I don't know.

594
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,719
Speaker 4: I mean, he just would have been good with that

595
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 4: group like Halliburton, Jefferson and Andrea Carter and Brianna Stewart,

596
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 4: Like Tyres fits that perfectly. Well, you know Andy's out,

597
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 4: so it's like that would just be it'd be an

598
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 4: easy thing to do that doesn't cost him any like

599
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 4: time in terms of stuff that he's actually doing. And

600
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 4: you know, him just sort of taking jabs of Jefferson

601
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,239
Speaker 4: would have been like right up their alley. Like so,

602
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 4: you know, like he he fits on a bunch of

603
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 4: levels there. You know, it's an easy promo to make.

604
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 4: And you know, I'm like he he keeps up with

605
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 4: this stuff like I mean, see how he's tweeting, so

606
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 4: like I mean, like you know, this is the thing

607
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 4: that he would want to do, so he must not

608
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 4: have been able to do it, basically, Like this is

609
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 4: not this is not a thing he would have blown off,

610
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 4: you know, just for the heck of it, Like he

611
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 4: must not have been feeling good.

612
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: Did you call them Rece's pieces or Reese's pieces?

613
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 3: Rec's pieces, Eddie?

614
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: What about you pieces? Rece's pieces?

615
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 5: Right?

616
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that what it was like when Et was

617
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 2: eating them? Weren't they Reces pieces totally? I mean, I'm I.

618
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: I realized I was Dust and I was like fifty

619
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: two years old before I realized that it was Reese's

620
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: and not Reces.

621
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: To me, it was always Recea's peanut butter cups for

622
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 2: what it's worth. But they are delicious, all.

623
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: Right, Pacers Magic tonight and then it is the Lakers,

624
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: the Lakes show at Gambridge coming up on Wednesday. Any

625
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: other news or nuggets that you wanted to chime in,

626
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: But first, Eddie go ahead.

627
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 2: Uh, dustn't answer Jake's question.

628
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 3: First you have a different question for you.

629
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean nothing, nothing, particularlyknwhim and the Zubac injury.

630
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 3: I think it sucks.

631
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 4: I think I think, I really do think Rick wanted

632
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 4: to see Pascal siacument if each Zuba play together. And

633
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 4: you know, it's like I think everybody immediately after I

634
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 4: tweet that, everyone's like, ah, that's made up and like

635
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 4: and somebody even tweeted at me They're like, oh no,

636
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,959
Speaker 4: they're they're shutting down Zobos because he's threatening the you know,

637
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 4: he's threatening the tank and I'm like, he's not threatening

638
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 4: the tank.

639
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 3: They're owing five with him. On the floor.

640
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 4: They haven't been close to winning, so it's like he's

641
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 4: not there's nothing he's doing that's you know, like he's

642
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 4: playing well, but like they're not coming close to you know,

643
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 4: like getting to win on the port by accident here,

644
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 4: you know, like they're they're sitting under the level just fine.

645
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 4: Uh So I do think that's the thing that that

646
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 4: they are legit bothered by. I do think they wanted

647
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 4: those minutes of those two guys together.

648
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 3: But anyways, go ahead, who is who has more pressure

649
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 3: next season to get the Pacers back on track?

650
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 2: Or Rick Tyrese.

651
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess Rick.

652
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 3: I don't know.

653
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 4: I mean, I like, I'm to say Rick on the

654
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Speaker 4: basis of if they just lag because they didn't you

655
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Speaker 4: know that this group didn't go I don't want to

656
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 4: say didn't go all out. I mean like the base idea,

657
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 4: like if you say, like, okay, like what did these

658
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 4: guys do, like why did this you know, like you know,

659
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Speaker 4: whether you want to call it tanking or whatever, like

660
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 4: ultimately what they really did was not necessarily push guys

661
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 4: who had injuries they could have played through. I mean,

662
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 4: these are real injuries. But it's like, you know, this

663
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 4: is stuff that was stuff that would have cost them

664
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Speaker 4: a game last year when they were contending, cost them

665
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Speaker 4: a week. You know, they gave everybody time to like

666
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Speaker 4: sort of get right and so just sort of accepting

667
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,479
Speaker 4: at a certain point that this season was over, you know,

668
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 4: like is that going to have consequences next year? Are

669
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Speaker 4: you going to have a team that doesn't have the

670
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Speaker 4: same kind of fire a year from now? And if

671
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Speaker 4: it doesn't, you can look and say, Okay, well that's

672
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 4: you know, like there's some level of carryover from you know,

673
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 4: what was ultimately a franchise decision, and so then those

674
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 4: guys can can carry for that. I mean, Haliburn gonna

675
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 4: have a lot of pressure. I mean, I think I

676
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 4: would say this, like if you're if you're a Pacers fan,

677
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 4: you should give him grace, you know, Like I mean,

678
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 4: because this is a major injury, you know, like and

679
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 4: I can see a scenario where ten games in, you know,

680
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 4: he's not the guy that you were expecting him to be. Well,

681
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 4: it's going to take a minute, you know, Like and

682
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 4: even if you're looking at it and like holding holding

683
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 4: up to Tatum standards, like some guys are going to

684
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 4: do a little better than others. That doesn't mean he's

685
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 4: not going to get there. You know, Like I would say,

686
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Speaker 4: like if you're a Pacers fan, brace yourself. Don't get

687
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 4: ready to you know, say he's cooked. Like if he's not,

688
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 4: you know, if he's average and you know, I don't know,

689
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 4: like twelve and seven after ten games and shooting like,

690
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 4: you know, thirty one percent from three, don't freak out,

691
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 4: you know, like just and don't kill him over it.

692
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 4: I guess if you're a Basis fan, you know. So

693
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 4: I'm like, he's going to be facing a lot of pressure.

694
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 4: He's going to be putting on himself. He's going to

695
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 4: want to get back. He's going to look at whatever

696
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 4: Tatum does and whatever j want taint Murray doesn't want

697
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 4: to match that. And if he's not there, probably getting

698
00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 4: his head in a head about it a little bit.

699
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 4: And you know, like he's got to give himself grace

700
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 4: and probably the fans got to give him grace too.

701
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 4: It's probably gonna take a minute before he's able to

702
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 4: like that he can really command the same way he

703
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 4: was in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Pacers Magic Tonight coverage Indianapolis star Dustin del Pirak will

705
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Speaker 1: have all of it and if it is a perfect

706
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: game going into the eighth, he will stand and applaud.

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Speaker 1: I promise you, Dustin, appreciate the time as always.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Dustin del Pierre joining us on the program.

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Speaker 6: Nicole Slee out the tuner, Hello, break down, the secret

711
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Speaker 6: sign the light seconds. Fred Hoiberg is gonna let him

712
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Speaker 6: play it out.

713
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 7: Freak up there?

714
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 2: Now, what's to halfcourt? Pass?

715
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Speaker 3: In?

716
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 2: A pass in.

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Speaker 4: The midst of the air till the monment catches the

718
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Speaker 4: tee Vanderbilt, no timeouts?

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Speaker 7: Tough courtyca is the sweet sixteen.

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Speaker 2: That's how it sounded.

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Speaker 1: Brandon Goddon on the call as Nebraska wins not one,

722
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Speaker 1: but two now NCAA Tournament games for the first time

723
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Speaker 1: in history, their first two wins. They are on to

724
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Speaker 1: the Sweet sixteen. And Brandon, you obviously have some history

725
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Speaker 1: with Butler basketball. You had to be like basically anybody

726
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Speaker 1: watching that when that Vanderbilt shot went up, that was

727
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: Gordon Hayward like all over again.

728
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Speaker 3: Right, boy, it felt like it.

729
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Speaker 5: And I after about two minutes following that shot not

730
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 5: going in and Chris Webber and I were recapping everything,

731
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Speaker 5: I said that to him. I said boy, I couldn't

732
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Speaker 5: help but think of Gordon Hayward with that shot in

733
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Speaker 5: the air. And the only different I mean, there's a

734
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 5: few differences obviously, right National Championship game versus second round,

735
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Speaker 5: but that was even closer to going in than Gordon's

736
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Speaker 5: was that all was halfway down and it's just one

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Speaker 5: of those shots that the whole way as soon as

738
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Speaker 5: he released it, you go maybe maybe, oh my gosh,

739
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, that's going to go in. That's what

740
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Speaker 5: was going on in my head. And then when it

741
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 5: rimmed out, and it's that juxtaposition of March. You look

742
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Speaker 5: at Vanderbilt's sideline and everybody just collapses to the floor,

743
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 5: and then everybody on Nebraska sideline and their fan base

744
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 5: that filled that arena just jumps up in the air

745
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 5: and it.

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Speaker 2: Shows you both the cruelty and.

747
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Speaker 5: The greatness of what this tournament is all about.

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Speaker 1: I thought you made an excellent point at the end

749
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Speaker 1: of that game, and the fact that Fred Hoiberg let

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Speaker 1: them play that out and did.

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Speaker 2: Not call the time out.

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Speaker 1: That's always been one of those things, you know, do

753
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Speaker 1: you call it time, do you strategy something, or do

754
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: you just let it go? Was that a sign simply

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Speaker 1: of a coach saying, look, I've got you know. My

756
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 1: job is done here at this point. I have trained

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00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: these guys on what to do and how to react,

758
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 1: and I've got to trust they know how to do it.

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Speaker 1: Or do you think it's also the frenzy and the

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Speaker 1: frantic nature of the moment you just kind of let

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Speaker 1: it go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I think so.

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Speaker 5: I've talked to a lot of coaches about this. They

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Speaker 5: a lot of them go into games with two philosophies

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00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 5: on two different late game scenarios. One that we often

766
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 5: talk about is do you foul up three with under

767
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 5: ten seconds?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 5: Coaches are varied on that, but they go in with

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Speaker 5: a specific game plan and then generally coaches will tell

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00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 5: you that they will it's game specific and flow of

772
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 5: game specific, but they have a high level idea of

773
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 5: what they want to do in a situation like this

774
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 5: where their team gets the ball, they have a timeout,

775
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 5: but do you want to use it or do you

776
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 5: want to roll the dice? And Fred Hoiberg, I've been

777
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 5: in that situation with him before in regular season games,

778
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 5: and his philosophy has been let our guys just play

779
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 5: it out, trust the system, Trust that they're going to

780
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 5: make a play, rather than calling a timeout and letting

781
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 5: the defense also get set. Hey, look, it's one of

782
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 5: those things where if it works, you look like a genius,

783
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 5: and if it doesn't, everybody questions, well, why wouldn't you

784
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 5: stop and tell your guys what you want them to do?

785
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 5: And I don't think I didn't talk to him postgame,

786
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 5: but I don't think that he set anything up. I

787
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 5: think he just knew who had the ball. He trusted

788
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 5: someone to come over and set a screen and make

789
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 5: a play with Pryce Sandford and Braden Frieger, and those

790
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 5: are just two guys for the moment, catching the defense

791
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 5: on its heels and making a big play at the

792
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Speaker 5: biggest moment.

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Speaker 1: Brandon I thought, Brandon Gotton is my guest who was

794
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma City doing the NCAA tournament. I watched with

795
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: interest because I like Randy Bennet a lot. But I

796
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: watched Saint Mary's okay in the opener against A and M,

797
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: and that was one of those games you could tell,

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00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: like three minutes into it, it's like, man, they've got

799
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: a tiger by the tail here, and A and M

800
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: was just so athletic and so big and athletic in

801
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: big spots that it just kept St.

802
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 2: Mary's was never able to grapple it.

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Speaker 1: And then I watched round two and I see what

804
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 1: Houston did, and I thought Houston. Houston to me, might

805
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: have been the most impressive team in the opening weekend

806
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: of the tournament based on kind of the comparison and

807
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: of what I saw A and M from week one.

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Speaker 1: Do you agree with that assessment?

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Speaker 5: One thousand percent? I've had so I had this Houston

810
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 5: team in November, I had him in December, I had

811
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 5: him in January, and then I did not have them

812
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 5: again until the tournament. And look, I'm not going to

813
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 5: be over the top hyperbolic and say they're a completely

814
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 5: different team, but the jump from November. They were good

815
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 5: in November, but the jump to November to now, it

816
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 5: just has Kelvin Sampson's handprints all over it, like those

817
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 5: those freshmen Flemings and Sanak joining some of those older veterans.

818
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 5: It took him a little while to gel, but they're

819
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 5: clicking on all cylinders and they just look like a

820
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 5: team that is on a mission. And I don't know

821
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 5: how much longer Kelvin's going to do this he's seventy now,

822
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,959
Speaker 5: but I think he's realizing that he's going to lose

823
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 5: his two freshmen of the NBA. He's losing Emmanuel Sharp,

824
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 5: a fifth year senior Usana senior. He can recruit as

825
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 5: well as anybody, so I'm sure he could reload. But

826
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 5: I'm sure he's thinking to himself, Okay, this might be

827
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Speaker 5: my last show. And I think his players know that.

828
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 5: And these guys, to a man, when you ask them

829
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 5: about Kelvin Sampson, they will take a bullet for that guy.

830
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 5: They love their head coach. And so I just I

831
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 5: think it's a team that is on a mission, that

832
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 5: knows that they should have won it last year, fell

833
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 5: a little bit short, and now they get to go

834
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 5: home to Houston for the Sweet sixteen. And like you said,

835
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Speaker 5: I think they're playing as well as anybody in the tournament.

836
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Speaker 1: And you know one of my favorite fun facts, Brandon,

837
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: and I've only mentioned it three hundred and forty six

838
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: times on this radio show, but I'll mention it three

839
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 1: forty seven here. The University of Houston has been to

840
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: more final fours than any school to have never won

841
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: a national championship. Now, if they are able to take

842
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: themselves out of that never won a national championship column

843
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 1: this year, it is your opinion that which schools right

844
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: now are playing better than they.

845
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 5: You mean, as far as currently this season correct in.

846
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: This field, how many would you put above? Because I

847
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: think you kind of reset it right in your mind.

848
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: So of the Sweet sixteen right now, I mean, if

849
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: you look at it, how many would you say emphatically

850
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: would that you would say would be quote unquote favored

851
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: over Houston.

852
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 5: Maybe Michigan with how they've played, maybe Arizona. But I

853
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 5: call that a toss up because of what they showed

854
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 5: in those two games. And look, Idaho, I know they

855
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 5: were just going to overpower them, but it was the

856
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 5: businesslike approach and the precision to which they just they

857
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 5: could have won that game by seventy and then Texas

858
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 5: A and m is a good team. They're not going

859
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 5: to get the credit for that because Houston just made

860
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 5: them look bad. But yeah, the way that they dismantled them.

861
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 5: Same thing. So I when I watched Michigan, I still

862
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 5: think even with the injury that they had there at

863
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 5: the end of the season, I thought top to bottom,

864
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 5: Michigan has the highest ceiling and I still think that

865
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 5: Duke and Arizona are right there with them, But to me,

866
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 5: Michigan has the highest ceiling. But the experience that Houston

867
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 5: has in the tournament, combined with Calvin Sampson, combine with

868
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 5: how well they're playing right now, and specific to these

869
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 5: next two rounds that they're gonna be at home, I

870
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 5: truly put Houston right up there at the top with

871
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 5: as good of a chance as anybody to cut down

872
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 5: the nets and envy.

873
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 2: Brandon.

874
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: You've obviously covered the NCAA tournament a lot and talked

875
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: to a lot of coaches. Okay, and I'm asking this

876
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: for the sake of fans of Purdue. So Purdue had

877
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: kind of an ebb and flow year. They clearly are

878
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: playing very good basketball right now. Braden Smith maybe didn't

879
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 1: play his two best games, but you get elevation elsewhere

880
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: that carries them to this point. But is there a concern,

881
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: not just for Purdue, for any team, of the layoff

882
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: between the weekend of the back to back games and

883
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: then taking the four days off. Can we really look

884
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: at the way teams are playing as hey, they have

885
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: momentum right now, or is it literally a wipe of

886
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: the etcha sketch when you get into the regional semi finals.

887
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

888
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 5: So Chris Weber and I talked about that lot off

889
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 5: the air the day before the games.

890
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 3: We were over there at.

891
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 5: The practices, and I asked him because obviously he went

892
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 5: through this at the highest level and things were a

893
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 5: little bit different when he played, but by and large,

894
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 5: he's got a perspective that few have. And I said,

895
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 5: do you think it matters how much rest do you

896
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 5: get before the start of the tournament. Some of these

897
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 5: smaller teams like Idaho had ten days off, and he

898
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 5: said he looked at me, he said, dude, I just

899
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 5: don't think it matters. And I went back and looked

900
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 5: like over the last couple of years, because I was

901
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 5: curious that there was a data point, and it is

902
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 5: varied the success or failure that teams have. Basically there's

903
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 5: no consistency. Some teams on no rest all of a

904
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 5: sudden are really good. Some teams with ten days rest

905
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,479
Speaker 5: suck and vice versa. So I think it just kind

906
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 5: of you said at a sketch. I think that's what

907
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 5: it is. I think it is a different level of

908
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 5: adrenaline and intensity and a different atmosphere that you're working

909
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 5: with in the NCAA tournament, and I think a lot

910
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 5: of that stuff gets overblown. Now to turn around from

911
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 5: Sunday travel home. If you're a team, like let's say

912
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 5: you're Michigan, you're in the Big Ten Championship, you go home,

913
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 5: and then you turn around and play Thursday out on

914
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 5: the West Coast. Could there be a factor there? I

915
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 5: think so, but I think it's probably smaller than we

916
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 5: all maybe make it out to be.

917
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: You know, another thing I've wondered about Brandon, and I

918
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: didn't know. You know, if you've ever talked to just

919
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: for example, Weber or other guys you've had as analysts

920
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: about this, we as fans or as media, over the

921
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: course of a game, you know, we feel momentum, we

922
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: feel swings, that kind of thing. And I'm always curious

923
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 1: if players at the top, you know, top level players

924
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: in big moments, and I get at the end of

925
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: that game against Nebraska, you know, Nebraska Vanderbilt for example,

926
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: you obviously know the situation.

927
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 2: But when it's a.

928
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: Seven point game midway through the second half and one

929
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: team goes on a four to nothing run, now it's

930
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: down to three it's a one possession game. Do you

931
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: think players at all times know the score in the

932
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: situation or is it really just a matter of we've

933
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: got to make sure that we are executing offensively on

934
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: this possession and getting a stop at the other end

935
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: on that possession, and every couple of trips down all

936
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: glance up and see what the score is. Do players

937
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: get caught up in the emotion that we do as observers.

938
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously with Chris Webber, you know you think

939
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 5: about the timeout right and not being aware.

940
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 2: Of that situation.

941
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 5: But I think, by and large, I think they're locked

942
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 5: into the score. I think sometimes late games, what I

943
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 5: have noticed is really good systems with really good experience

944
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 5: head coaches, those players are locked in because their coach

945
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 5: is so locked in. And I go back to when

946
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 5: I was at Butler and that twenty eleven team, when

947
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 5: I was doing the radio at Butler and they went

948
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 5: on another unexpected run of the National Championship, and I

949
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 5: remembered talking to then point guard Ron Norid about why

950
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 5: Butler was so poised. I said, is it because you

951
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 5: guys are older and more experienced? And I remember Ron

952
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 5: Sell me is before the sweet sixteen game that year

953
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 5: against Wisconsin, and he said, dude, with you've got Brad

954
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 5: Stevens over there, who always has a steady heartbeat and

955
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 5: who in every huddle is talking to you in the

956
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 5: exact same tone.

957
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 2: He said, it makes you.

958
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 5: Step on the court with more confidence and poise because

959
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 5: that your leader has that and he has that vision

960
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 5: and that composure. And so I thought that was interesting.

961
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 5: I'm sure that it's not always reflective just of the

962
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 5: head coach, right. A lot of it is on the players.

963
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 5: But I know that a lot of players feel like

964
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 5: when your coach is on top of a situation and

965
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 5: isn't frantic and running around and nervous, then that carries

966
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 5: over to how you are going to carry yourself on

967
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 5: the court.

968
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: Do you believe when you had that conversation with ron

969
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: Nora that you were talking to the guy that would

970
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: eventually become their twenty six twenty seven season head coach.

971
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 5: No, I can't say that.

972
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 3: I thought.

973
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 5: I've certainly thought that Ron Nord would be a coach

974
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 5: that was always his vision, But yeah, I don't look

975
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 5: that Butler job obviously is one that to me is

976
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 5: very coveted Because I went there, I worked there. I'm

977
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 5: so passionate about that place. I understand though, that Butler

978
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 5: is in a different place than it was when I

979
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 5: was there. It's in a different league, right, but it

980
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 5: also trying to compete. And I know you talk about this,

981
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 5: the NIL era is different and I'm not going to

982
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 5: say that Butler doesn't have the money to compete in

983
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 5: the Big East, but they're not ever going to be

984
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 5: at the top end of the Big East financially, and

985
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 5: so it just makes it an interesting job for anybody

986
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 5: that gets that they're going to have to have a

987
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 5: real conversation with ad Grant Liondecker and try to map

988
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 5: out a plan as best they can. Because all these

989
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 5: guys now when they enter the poral or if they're

990
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 5: coming out of high school, even the ones that are

991
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 5: quote unquote unselfish, there's gonna be a conversation about all right, great,

992
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 5: I love the facilities and everything, how much money are

993
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 5: we talking? And that's gonna make it That's going to

994
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 5: make it hard on anybody right now to try to

995
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 5: take Butler from where they are to where they used

996
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 5: to be.

997
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: You are onto your responsibilities now with the Atlanta Braves.

998
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 1: So the NCAA tournament. You will not be working regional

999
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: finals weekend.

1000
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 5: Correct. Opening day is Friday. So now it's all baseball

1001
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 5: for me.

1002
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: Love it. And how you know what about the Braves? Yeah, yeah,

1003
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 2: how are we feeling.

1004
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 5: We're feeling like they could use a couple pitchers because

1005
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 5: they're having some injuries. But it's I think in Vegas

1006
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 5: going into spring training they were the third favorite to

1007
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 5: win the World Series. I say that because there is

1008
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 5: something behind that. They've got the talent certainly to get

1009
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 5: that done. You know, the Dodgers at the top of

1010
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 5: the heat. But the Braves have an incredibly good team

1011
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 5: and it's just going to depend on whether or not

1012
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 5: they can keep their arms healthy, and if they do,

1013
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 5: they'll be in the postseason.

1014
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: Hey give me a team real quick, Brandon, before we

1015
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: let you go, that you that you've seen in the

1016
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: last let's say year or two, that when you watch them,

1017
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: you said to yourself, you know what, I can see

1018
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: some young talent here that if it comes together for them,

1019
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: they could make some noise in a year or two.

1020
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: That this year you're telling people, don't be surprised if

1021
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: you know they're hanging around towards the end of the

1022
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 1: year into the playoffs.

1023
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 2: Who would it be?

1024
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 5: So we're talking base far are we going back to

1025
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:00,479
Speaker 5: the NBA?

1026
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 2: No baseball? Yeah, baseball.

1027
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 5: I mean I was a fan of the Tigers before

1028
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 5: last year started and that that based on their previous

1029
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 5: year what they were building, that they could be a

1030
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 5: World Series contender. And some people scoffed at that and

1031
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 5: said out to the Tigers. They did fold at the

1032
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 5: end of last season, but they rebuilt and they added

1033
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 5: to their pitching staff, and it's a team that is

1034
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 5: just not sexy. You say Detroit Tigers and people are like, oh,

1035
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 5: that's cute. Put them in the corner with the Lions.

1036
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 5: But I do think that the Tigers are a team

1037
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 5: that not many people talk about that should win that

1038
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 5: division again, and when they get in the postseason, if

1039
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 5: their pitching stays healthy, with that top three, they can

1040
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 5: win a World Series.

1041
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: And speaking of Detroit, by the way, to be fair

1042
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: to him, because he was your colleague in particular, over

1043
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: the weekend, Chris Weber did have an entire bench telling

1044
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 1: him to call that time out for what it's worth.

1045
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 5: So, yes, I didn't bring it up, but I will

1046
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 5: say this quick. I had never met him for as

1047
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 5: big of a superstar as he was. Jake the most

1048
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 5: humble guy that I have come across and Pine and

1049
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 5: took a picture with everybody and could not have been nicer.

1050
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that didn't surprise me. You know.

1051
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: He was my class in high school and we were

1052
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: the same class that it was a loaded class. I

1053
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: mean Weber, yeah, Glenn Robinson, Allen Henderson, and then had

1054
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: Jane Querry Well myself. That goes without saying. Grant Hill

1055
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: was actually our grade but the year before. So it

1056
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: was a golden era for certain jail and Rows. Obviously

1057
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: the Fab five Great.

1058
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 5: Cheney was one year older, right.

1059
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: Cheney was two, Cheney was eight. We were all ninety

1060
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 1: one from high school. Cheney was eighty nine. And Cheney

1061
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: broke his foot senior year of high school, so he

1062
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: was like the that was a sixth player recruiting class

1063
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 1: that Indiana had. It was Chris lost and Chris Reynolds, Cheney,

1064
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: Greg Graham, Pat Graham, Todd Leary, and Chris Lawson was

1065
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: in there as well and Thunderberg actually, so it was

1066
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: a bigger class than that. And Cheney was like the

1067
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: last of all of them because he had a broken foot.

1068
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 1: And then you know, goes without. So that's why recruiting

1069
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: services Brandon, I was kind of I take with a

1070
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: grain of salt, you know what I mean.

1071
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, I should have remembered that. Being so, I went

1072
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 5: to Cheney's high school and I was at that game

1073
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 5: where he got injured. But I was really young. I

1074
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 5: was five going on six. My sister was a cheerleader.

1075
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 5: But I remember the first time before he broke his foot,

1076
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 5: that Bobby Knight came down to watch Cheney for the

1077
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 5: first time. It was like the Pope was in town.

1078
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 5: He had six pops around him. They sat him in

1079
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 5: the corner, no one could go near him, and everybody

1080
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 5: in the crowd was already wearing their IU gear and

1081
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,959
Speaker 5: so they you know, it was just a different time

1082
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 5: for Indiana basket.

1083
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: You know, he had committed to Jim Cruz and then

1084
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: he ended up you know, obviously Knight had had said like, hey,

1085
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: you should take a look at him, and then he

1086
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: ends up in Indiana. And then of course Walter McCarty

1087
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Speaker 1: would have been what two years behind him Harrison as well.

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Speaker 2: So golden era for Harrison as well.

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Speaker 1: All right, Brandon enjoyed the Brave season always appreciate the time.

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Speaker 2: Man, look forward to having you back on Thanks take care, ma'am.

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Speaker 2: Brandon gotten joining

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Speaker 1: Us on the Java House Colbrew Coffee gas line