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Speaker 2: Rob Casey's out today.

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Speaker 1: Ethan Hatcher from Saturday Night on the Circle is in

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Speaker 1: and look, so Mike Braun the governor went on with

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Speaker 2: And yet you are still top of mind for the governor.

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Speaker 3: How does it feel to get some free advertising from

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Speaker 3: the governor of Indiana? I mean, the dude just keeps

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Speaker 1: And they all handle it all these but whether the's

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Speaker 1: Rokeeda Banks, Braun, they all handle it the same word like,

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Speaker 1: what was it Baltimore? Is that the guy's name Harry Potter?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? If if he who shall not be named?

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Speaker 1: Yes, Like they act like, they always reference me, but

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Speaker 1: So again, and Hammer and Nigel, I always love when

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Speaker 1: is that when there's this pushback. When Hammer and Nigel

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Speaker 1: you go, wait a second, that's directly different than what

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Speaker 3: Well, these politicians are very very fragile, Rob That's extremely true.

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Speaker 3: And look it bleeds through the way that Hammer and

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Speaker 3: Nigel have to handle these political interviews. Sometimes the people

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Speaker 3: more pushback to these politicians. But that's only because these

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Speaker 3: politicians are extremely fragile, and they give them just enough

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Speaker 1: All right, so what we're talking about is for the

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Speaker 1: past year. No, no, let's go back. Let's go back to

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Speaker 1: this must have been April when Braun screwed everybody and

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Speaker 1: That is the anchor now of the property tax bill

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Speaker 2: And they kept telling me, oh, Rob, this is just

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Speaker 1: Of course, Micah was just nodding his head in agreement

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, he started telling these well intended but totally

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Speaker 1: And you know what their response to.

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Speaker 2: Me was that day, Ethan, that's right, Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: And so he's been telling me, he being Braun, has

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Speaker 2: Why aren't you talking about property taxes. Yet, like, that's.

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Speaker 4: All we get when we bring you in studio is

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Speaker 2: Now, but where are we at on property taxes?

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Speaker 6: The property taxes to get more of what we started?

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Speaker 3: But Rob, I thought the governor had been telling us.

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Speaker 2: Trick question?

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Speaker 1: We called it.

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Speaker 2: We were right.

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Speaker 3: No efficiency, no promise to eliminate township government where a

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Speaker 2: It's just a blank from Governor Brown.

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Speaker 1: Now, he did say they're going to do something later

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Speaker 2: Now it gets better, he said.

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Speaker 2: Could you name someone, Rob, I was.

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Speaker 3: So impressed that you took time out of your vacation

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Speaker 1: Now let's play this, and then we got to get

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Speaker 6: But the reality is that's when it will have to

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Speaker 2: I just now, Rob, I was told I had it

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Speaker 3: Am I just hallucinating that the governor once said he

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Speaker 2: Did I hallucinate that one day? He ran them for

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Speaker 1: Because that was their big sell to me when they

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Speaker 1: to pressure these senators. One of the clip I didn't

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Speaker 1: we're running along here. They asked him that Hammer and

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Speaker 1: Nigel and they get to a lot. They get to

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Speaker 6: How's twenty twenty six looking? So that is kind of

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Speaker 1: So that all the crap that guy pulled yet last

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Speaker 3: One two here we go youthful exuberance. Is the man

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Speaker 1: Dot came out and said we got to slash projects

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Speaker 1: That'll be part of our conversation later. But buried in

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Speaker 1: Guys gonna do this year, and how was the religious

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Speaker 2: Let's get to the bottom of it. When we talk

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Speaker 5: And we all know that he was a state representative

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Speaker 1: a better term, a good boy, and that sort of

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Speaker 1: kind of got the memo and started really being much

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Speaker 1: having much more deference to them. Braun doesn't seem to

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Speaker 1: understand he's not in charge of anything.

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Speaker 5: Well, as well as the fact that Todd Houston and

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Speaker 5: Rod Bray are not Brian Bosma and David Long. I mean,

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Speaker 5: so they have a completely different style about them. And

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Speaker 5: and I believe that that Houston and Bray have learned

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Speaker 5: how to be leaders. And you're seeing that in this

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Speaker 5: past mini session, a short session of December, unlike what

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Speaker 5: happened when they were when they're working with Governor Holcombe.

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Speaker 5: And so right now, uh, it is uh, it will

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Speaker 5: be very interesting and most people know this, but there

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Speaker 5: there there is a State of the State speech.

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Speaker 2: Coming right and you never invited me to be your guest.

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Speaker 5: Our our fans, are our audience, are our listeners? Know

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Speaker 5: that answer.

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Speaker 1: I love how you backpeddled that out our fan, our audience,

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Speaker 1: our listeners because there are a lot of people who listen.

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Speaker 1: We certainly aren't fans.

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Speaker 5: Happy New Year, and you know they don't like me

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Speaker 5: because they.

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Speaker 2: Like you, do you get a do you get a

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Speaker 2: do you get a like a.

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Speaker 1: Guest pass somebody who can bring with you you're senator.

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Speaker 5: That's kind of drummed up from the federal government. When

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Speaker 5: you have the President coming down and having State of

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Speaker 5: the Union, there are guests. I was just so busy

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Speaker 5: with legislation that's the first part of the year, and

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Speaker 5: uh and I just didn't have the time to have

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Speaker 5: a guest. So in all thirty years, I never had

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Speaker 5: a guest.

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Speaker 2: You never had time to say, Rob, would you like

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Speaker 2: to come?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 2: No, really, ever, my friend that is here in the balcony.

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Speaker 5: I didn't think you accepted it. I don't think I'd

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Speaker 5: probably need security.

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Speaker 1: I would be rather unwelcome. Jim Barrett is our guest. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so we just talked about this last segment. I thought

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Speaker 1: you'd be the perfect guy to ask about this. This

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Speaker 1: article that came out yesterday was originally a Capitol Chronicle

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Speaker 1: and then other news outlets are covering it. And it

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Speaker 1: has to do with the end DOT basically coming to

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Speaker 1: Transportation Committee and saying, well, we're flush shout of money

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna have to cancel all these projects. But

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the story, and once again, as usual,

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Speaker 1: we're the straw stirring the drink at all of this

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Speaker 1: because now everybody started talking about this Mid State's Core

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Speaker 1: one day, Jim I covered it for one day and

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Speaker 1: everybody started to talk about it. They said, well, we're

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Speaker 1: going to keep this Mid State's Corridor project going, but

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Speaker 1: they're canceling all these other projects.

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Speaker 2: And Jim Pressel that's his name.

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Speaker 1: Right, not chairman, not to be confused with Jim Tressel,

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Speaker 1: former coach for Ohio State.

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Speaker 5: Right and lieutenant governor of the state.

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Speaker 2: That's right, he is now the lieutenant covenor. Is he Tressel?

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Speaker 2: A Pressel?

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Speaker 7: Rather?

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Speaker 1: Pressel comes out basically goes, what the heck's.

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Speaker 2: Going on here?

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Speaker 1: We're canceling all of these other projects, are delaying all

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Speaker 1: these other projects, but you're steamrolling ahead with this Mid

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Speaker 1: State's Corridor project. The project is so bizarre that even

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Speaker 1: the guy that's had a transportation the house is like,

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Speaker 1: what are we doing here?

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Speaker 5: Right? And when you're a legislator, you have several different

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Speaker 5: points of the points of issues that you keep a

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Speaker 5: track of, and one is transportation, roads and highways is

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Speaker 5: something every Legislator all one hundred and fifty pay attention

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Speaker 5: to and representative pressol Chairman Pressel of the of the

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Speaker 5: Transportation Committee and the House of representas State of Indiana

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Speaker 5: is an outstanding chairman. And he understands rail, he understands highway,

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Speaker 5: he understands construction.

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Speaker 2: Well, I hope he's the chairman. Well he got out

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Speaker 2: there was like, what the hell is this?

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Speaker 5: My point is is when he speaks on this issue,

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Speaker 5: it means something I don't understand. How you have you

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Speaker 5: have highway projects that are in certain parts of development,

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Speaker 5: and these are very important with public notice and plans

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Speaker 5: and engineering and everything that goes into construction or rehabbing.

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Speaker 5: How this, how this happens? Where something something stops it?

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Speaker 5: And when you talk about this quarter you're talking about

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Speaker 5: there's been a lot of conversation about this being a

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Speaker 5: very unpopular project in that part of the states.

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Speaker 1: And I've seen out and let's remind everybody because I

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Speaker 1: we're going to look. It's the year of the listener, Jim.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you're aware on this program, It's the.

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Speaker 2: Year of the listener. Goodness, and our first.

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Speaker 1: Task standing up for our listeners is exposing this mid

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Speaker 1: State's quarter project. Now, this is again a reminder of

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Speaker 1: connection proposed connection of sixty four to sixty nine southwest Indiana.

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Speaker 1: It runs right through the heart of du Bois County.

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Speaker 1: Who lives in du Bois County, Mike Braun. What does

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Speaker 1: Mike Braun do? He makes a gajillion dollars in the

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Speaker 1: transportation industry, and the people.

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Speaker 2: Are outraged down there.

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Speaker 1: They don't want the project, and they're seeing it potentially

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Speaker 1: as using billions of taxpayer dollars to help Mike Braun

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Speaker 1: and his buddies potentially make a whole bunch of money.

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Speaker 1: And it does when you've got the transportation chair looking

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Speaker 1: at this going what are we doing here? It certainly

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Speaker 1: adds some fuel to that fire.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, and not only that out in your neck of

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Speaker 5: the woods from all Reagan, the what everybody thought was

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Speaker 5: going to be the expressway from sixty five all the

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Speaker 5: way down to seven days at an airport, and it

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Speaker 5: really hasn't come that way. And when there was a

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Speaker 5: highway planned.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to point over the record though, because I

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Speaker 1: was the most efficient effective local legislature as ever existed.

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Speaker 2: The stretch from Avon de Brownsburg.

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Speaker 1: Was funded during my Termam, and it is now done right,

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Speaker 1: this is not my fault.

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Speaker 5: And then and then there also is there was also

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Speaker 5: going to be a highway that was going to take

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Speaker 5: pressure off the south part of for sixty five, but

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Speaker 5: it was going to go through Senator Lueger's farm township.

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Speaker 5: And so these special highways are so difficult just to

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Speaker 5: get them built. Uh. And and now you add on

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Speaker 5: that people into Boise County from everything that we see,

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Speaker 5: are against what we're talking about the Mid States. It's

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Speaker 5: just very difficult. And now you had on add on

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Speaker 5: the fact that Represent Prussell, who is very much supported

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Speaker 5: and admired in the legislature, is asking some succinct questions

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Speaker 5: about it.

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Speaker 1: Find him on Twitter at Jim Underscore, Merrit Jim Underline.

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Speaker 2: Merrit.

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Speaker 5: Jim underlined, May that's right, and Merret in the Morning.

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Speaker 1: That's the name of the podcast on YouTube as well

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Speaker 1: as Facebook, Jim Merritt, Thank you, Thank you. Kettle and

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Speaker 1: Casey Show ninety three w IBC. Mark Mark Kelly is

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Speaker 1: a clown. I mean this this stuff with him is

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Speaker 1: getting beyond ridiculous. It's the It's Kennel and Casey Show

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Speaker 1: and Rob Ethan's in for Casey today. So Mark Kelly

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Speaker 1: is this Democrat senator from Arizona's former astronaut. He was

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Speaker 1: a decorator, respected member at one point of the US military.

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Speaker 1: His wife is Gabby Giffords, who was the US rep.

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Speaker 1: Who she lived but she was shot, and he and

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Speaker 1: a group of other Democrats essentially came out what was

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Speaker 1: this a month month and a half ago and when

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Speaker 1: these drug boat attacks became revealed, and they basically told

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Speaker 1: members of the military. Now they try to say they

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Speaker 1: weren't saying this, but they were Ethan. They were telling

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Speaker 1: members of the US military ignored the commander in chief. Correct,

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Speaker 1: And there's been huge pushback. There's been a movement to

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Speaker 1: sanction him, to strip him of potential pensions, the people

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Speaker 1: wanting to explore this is this treasonous And I think

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Speaker 1: it's all viable because this was said for holy political reasons.

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Speaker 1: The commander in chief, the President United States is the

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Speaker 1: commander in chief. And Mark Kelly keeps digging in on this,

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Speaker 1: and it's getting so bad now that even John Stewart

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Speaker 1: is pushing back on him. So Mark Kelly was on

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Speaker 1: with John Stewart. I lose this a Daily Show and

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Speaker 1: listen to this. Even John Stewart is pushing back on

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Speaker 1: his inability to explain what was illegal about these drug

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Speaker 1: boat strikes.

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Speaker 5: Are the boat strikes illegal?

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Speaker 8: Well, so, I've been asking this question for a long time.

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Speaker 8: I'm on the Armed Services and the Intelligence Committee. They

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Speaker 8: have some complicated legal rationale forty pages of why these

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Speaker 8: are legal. It's questionable at best. And by the way,

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Speaker 8: what's my At first it was fetanyl, then it was cocaine,

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Speaker 8: then it was about regime change, then it was about oil.

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Speaker 8: So but what I'm do You see my point yourself,

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Speaker 8: say your point.

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Speaker 5: I don't.

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Speaker 8: But at our point, our point is to members of

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Speaker 8: the military who don't get reminded of this. Often, when

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Speaker 8: something is clearly unlawful, you have an obligation not to

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Speaker 8: follow those orders. It's a pretty simple thing. And we've

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Speaker 8: seen in our history multiple times when even under those circumstances,

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Speaker 8: members of the military have done stuff that was clearly

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Speaker 8: over the line.

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Speaker 1: The President of the United States is the commander in chief.

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Speaker 1: He is the tippy top, and if he does something illegal,

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Speaker 1: then there's ways to deal with that. And this is

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Speaker 1: really scary, and it's gonna end up getting people killed.

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Speaker 1: When you've got United States senators actively encouraging members of

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Speaker 1: the US military to defy the President of the United

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Speaker 1: States because they don't like him politically.

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Speaker 3: Well, he's also not asking them to round up civilians,

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Speaker 3: post him against the wall and murder innocent men, women

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Speaker 3: and children. These are narco terrorists. These are people who

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Speaker 3: are in international waters. These are people who are breaking

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Speaker 3: and violating not only international law but US law. So

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Speaker 3: what's the problem here. That's not an illegal order to

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Speaker 3: command retaliatory force to be used.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean this idea of targeted strikes, which

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Speaker 1: essentially was what Maduro was, we have a target, We're

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Speaker 1: going to go in and get him the same way

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Speaker 1: they went in and they took out Osama bin Laden.

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Speaker 1: And I mean this has been going on forever. These

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Speaker 1: drug boats are targeted strikes like that. That is this

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Speaker 1: guy in this illegalness. And look, whether it's right or wrong,

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Speaker 1: presidents have been doing this and getting away with this

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Speaker 1: for generations now. So the the crocodile tears over going

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Speaker 1: after these ruthless drug boat killers is just heinous, and

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Speaker 1: Mark Kelly is gross. Real quick, Chuck Schumer came out

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Speaker 1: yesterday and He apparently was begging Trump for assurances that

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Speaker 1: they weren't going to plan to go into other countries

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Speaker 1: like they did Venezuela, and he said Trump wouldn't give

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Speaker 1: it to him.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen.

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Speaker 7: I asked for some assurances that they were not planning

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Speaker 7: operations in other countries, and I named a few of

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Speaker 7: the ones you mentioned, including Colombia and Cuba, and I

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Speaker 7: was very, very disappointed in their answer.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Obera.

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Speaker 2: Look, I don't think they're going to stop.

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Speaker 1: I think that they are now sending a message to

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Speaker 1: these people that you can be next whatever South American

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Speaker 1: country you're in, shape.

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Speaker 2: Up or we're going to shape you out.

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Speaker 3: Colombia and Cuba is one thing, But the real question remains,

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Speaker 3: what about Greenland?

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll get to that. La run in the

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Speaker 2: program coming up next.

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Speaker 1: Though a prominent member, once prominent member of Indianapolis City government,

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Speaker 1: it turns out he's undergrand jury investigation. Thomas Carl Cook

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Speaker 1: and the Thomas Carl Cook Saga's back, Baby, We'll tell

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