1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: I can't believe you didn't read the template. 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 2: I didn't After all your years of being critical of 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 2: me for not reading the template. 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 3: Now here you are the role reversal. Huh. 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 2: Casey's like, did you hear about this big television merger? 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 2: And I'm just like you didn't, Alet, it's right on 7 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 2: the template. 8 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, coming up at eleven o'clock. I see it now. Yeah, 9 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 3: we had a little role reversal, didn't we. That was 10 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 3: very nice of you, by the way. You knew I 11 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 3: was getting back into town late last night, so you 12 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 3: you said that you would do the template. It's two 13 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 3: pages long. 14 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: It's two pages every day the last five days. 15 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 3: Case you know, when I do it, it's like six 16 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 3: seven pages long. 17 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: How we were all? 18 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,319 Speaker 2: No, all right, So well we'll go ahead and talk 19 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 2: about it now, because look, I think this is very interesting. 20 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 2: And WIBC dot com, amongst others, have reported that next 21 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 2: Star Media Group and this will impact how you view 22 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 2: television here in Central Indiana, which they own Fox fifty nine, 23 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 2: CBS four, that's what they're best known for around here. 24 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 2: Set to buy the company was called is it tegna? 25 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 2: Is that how you pronounce it? And they are the 26 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 2: company now that owns WTHR. 27 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 3: Six point two billion dollar deal. 28 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that let's be specific. 29 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 2: That is not it's not six point two billion dollars 30 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 2: being paid for WTHR. It's all the television properties that 31 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 2: this that this company owns across the country. And you know, 32 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:25,559 Speaker 2: television by and large is much like radio. 33 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: There are very few While it may. 34 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 2: Be a quote unquote local television station, there are very 35 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: few independent operators anymore. Most just like us, we're owned 36 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 2: by a large corporation. Now, in fairness, they're wonderful in 37 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: the fact that they just leave us alone. They just remember, 38 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 2: remember when you were here. You were here when all 39 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 2: these days merge together. Now, you were here when when 40 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: Urban one bought yeah from from MS and. 41 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 3: Remember the whole thing, the first time that's happened to me, 42 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 3: by the way, really where you just got a your 43 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 3: job and then they're like, you know, a few months in, 44 00:01:58,600 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 3: by the way, we got sold. 45 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, wish you the best there was there was 46 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 2: like mass panic and then the industry and the people outside. 47 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: That's it for IBC. 48 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 2: They were doing a victory dance down at the State 49 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 2: House no more, Rob Kendall and we were like, no. 50 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: These people like money. 51 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 3: They're not gonna You got to understand that if they 52 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 3: were to have changed the format of this radio station, 53 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 3: they'd be starting back at zero, right, And we are 54 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 3: expensive to do. 55 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 2: I don't I don't mean to brag, but I'm going 56 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 2: to brag because you know me, I'm a humble person. Sure, 57 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: we are the golden Goose, Okay, And I don't again. 58 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 2: I mean that in the sense of you are the 59 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 2: audience are the golden goose. We are We always says 60 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: we are about a reflection of you, and you are 61 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 2: so passionate about good politics and good government and entertaining 62 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 2: radio that we are able to produce the ratings and 63 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: the advertising revenue that comes with that. It was like, 64 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 2: they're not They're not giving that up. They own a 65 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 2: talk stage. I think it's Charlotte they own, and it 66 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 2: was doing fine, and it was We're not going anywhere. 67 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 2: And this is the thing I will say about Urban 68 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 2: one is not only do they just leave us alone 69 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: and let us make them money, but on more than 70 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 2: one occasion I might have said or done something, or 71 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 2: someone facility with this property, this piece of programming real 72 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: estate might have said or done something that caused an uproar, 73 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: and they always stand behind us and they back us 74 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: up and they are great. I mean they've they've been 75 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: excellent as owners in terms of like what I like 76 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 2: to make double what I'm making, sure, but who wouldn't. 77 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 2: But in terms of urban one standing behind us every 78 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 2: bit the way Emmas did, maybe even more to a 79 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 2: certain extent, they've done that. That being said, corporations are 80 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: media now. I mean there's very few. There are local 81 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 2: radio stations that are still locally owned, like your county 82 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 2: radio station or whatever. But in terms of big properties, 83 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,839 Speaker 2: there are very few family run businesses anymore. And that's 84 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: true with television as well. And so you're seeing another 85 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 2: merger in the TV industry that will affect how you 86 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: view television in Indianapolis the same way in radio it 87 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 2: has happened. 88 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 3: So this deal still requires FCC approval and it would 89 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 3: give next our some control over some big markets. They 90 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 3: already have their financing approved, so they're ready to go. 91 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 3: They're just waiting on the stamp. 92 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 2: You know what's fast is how quickly now? And you're 93 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 2: seeing this in the food industry. Troy Kenna, who's on 94 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 2: the program yesterday, a keyboard player for Mellencamp. His wife 95 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 2: is a very works for Piazza and they had a 96 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 2: big food expo down at Lucas Oil yesterday. 97 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: And so we went. 98 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: We went down there after his interview aired here and 99 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 2: we're looking at the food vendors and stuff and got 100 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 2: the I can't go anywhere, Casey. 101 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 3: I know. 102 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 2: And it's just like like so the Hordes of Fame. 103 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 3: In Indianapolis, it happens in Chicago great. 104 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 2: And so so many people are WIBC fans and were 105 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 2: coming up and it was great to talk to those people. 106 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: But you know, walking around seeing these food vendors, and 107 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 2: one of the things you're realizing is it's true everywhere 108 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 2: in America where there's you know, companies buy other companies, right, 109 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 2: the industries are consolidating. It's just it's a war of attrition, right. 110 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 3: Your goal is to own the small company that's being 111 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 3: bought by the big. 112 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: Company, absolutely one hundred percent. 113 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: And so it's not just we always limit well, you know, 114 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: it's a bygone era of locally owned media companies. That's 115 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 2: a bygone era of locally owned anything these days. That's 116 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 2: just the true the way it works, right, And one 117 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 2: of the things that's interesting is how relatively quick properties 118 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 2: will move now from one owner to the next. Like 119 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 2: I think the days of Jeff Smullyan, who owned WIBC 120 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 2: for generations ms, I think that's over with. I just 121 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 2: don't think that's going to happen anymore. I could be wrong, 122 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 2: But THHR last sold according to this article in twenty nineteen. Well, 123 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 2: the company that owned THCHR last sold in twenty nineteen, 124 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 2: So in a relatively short period of time six years. 125 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 2: Now WTCHR, which as has been for generations a major 126 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 2: staple of news and local programming NBC affiliate here in 127 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 2: central Indiana, is going to be under new ownership. 128 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 3: It's interesting when I think about the state of Indiana 129 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 3: actually used to have a lot of locally owned at 130 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 3: least radio groups. I mean in northern Indiana. Notre Dame 131 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,559 Speaker 3: University owned WNDU for many years. They sold to Gray. 132 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 3: You had Sure's Communications, they sold to Sinclair. You had 133 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 3: Simoleon here who owned WIBC, sold to Urban One. Sarcus 134 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 3: Tarzian still around. They owned WTTs and some stations in 135 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 3: Fort Wayne. And then you had the Angattis who owned 136 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 3: a lot of radio stations. And I believe they've sold 137 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 3: to larger companies as well. 138 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 2: Well, you and I both worked for a guy who 139 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: was a He wasn't from here, but he owned several 140 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 2: radio stations both in Indianapolis and the and the Fort 141 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 2: Wayne area, and he was a real adventure to work for. 142 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: But look, I liked me, he liked you. 143 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 3: He like me. 144 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: You were he liked Were. 145 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 3: You a problem? 146 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: I wasn't a I was the overnight guy. 147 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 2: But everyone says, like I always said this in hindsight, right, 148 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 2: when you're young, you're stupid, and you you viewed things 149 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 2: through the lens of the moment versus the reflection I 150 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 2: think about, like working for that guy he was would 151 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 2: be fair to say he was aclectic, he was an adventure, right, Yeah, 152 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 2: but you do realize he was one of the last 153 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 2: local operators who you don't even realize when you're twenty 154 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 2: years old and you're gifted of being other overnight guy. 155 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: Of there's no other live overnight shows anymore. You better 156 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: get out on bended knee and thank you're lucky stars. 157 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 2: But you're too young and stupid to recognize that radio 158 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 2: stations television stations were never meant to be owned by corporations. 159 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 3: No, because they're supposed to be entrenched in the community, right, 160 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 3: and when you have orders coming down from another market. 161 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 3: I mean, I can use the example of music radio 162 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 3: stations or even television stations. I know that there's a 163 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 3: TV station in South Bend that is now setting a 164 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 3: lot of the programming for Toledo. Yeah, they send stuff 165 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 3: over for a completely different market. Radio is the same 166 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 3: music gets handed down by somebody in a completely different state. 167 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, And you think about the creativity. I mean, there 168 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 2: was once upon a time not to be an old 169 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 2: man who yells at clouds, where if you owned a 170 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 2: local radio or television station, you were some like we said, eclectic, 171 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 2: adventurous guy who money was almost secondary to you. Now 172 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 2: don't There were a lot of wealthy people who owned 173 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 2: these properties, but there was a status symbol of walking 174 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 2: around your community saying you owned fill in the blank. 175 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 2: And then there was the creativity side. So many of 176 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 2: these people of what can I produce that I will 177 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 2: be remembered for, because it used to be that when 178 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 2: cities and towns and communities had connectivity, which also doesn't 179 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 2: really exist today because of explosive, out of control growth. 180 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 2: The things that the local TV or radio station would 181 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 2: do the advertising campaigns, the events, they would host, contests, 182 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 2: whatever would be remembered for years and years and years. 183 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 2: And so those were the people that were drawn to 184 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 2: own and run radio and TV stations. And that just 185 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: simply it doesn't exist anymore. While we again praise our 186 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 2: ownership that we are left alone to do the programming 187 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 2: that our audience likes, WIBC isn't the same as it 188 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 2: was twenty twenty five years ago. 189 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: It just doesn't. 190 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 2: Nor is any really radio station Q ninety five or 191 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 2: ZPL or any of these any of these radio stations, 192 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 2: and you know. 193 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 3: Now they have national contest line. 194 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 2: Too, right, I mean there's a good chance, like you said, 195 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 2: some person who's delivering your break here. All of our 196 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 2: stations are still locally staffed for the most part, but 197 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,719 Speaker 2: a lot of these big stations, they're some guy doing 198 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 2: a break is based out of some other city, well, 199 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 2: talking about what's going on in your city. 200 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 3: And in some cases it's not even a person anymore. 201 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 3: It's AI. 202 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: It's a good point. 203 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, some robot is is uh is giving away tickets 204 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 2: to the Rod Stewart concert. Yeah, all right, let's take 205 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 2: a break there's something big going on with the IDC 206 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 2: that I want to talk about, because everything it's always 207 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 2: some sort of It seems like Shenanigan's a foot with 208 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 2: the Indian Economic Development Corporation, and I think this is 209 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 2: this is a big one that people need to know 210 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 2: about it. 211 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 3: Kennelly Casey on ninety three WIBC. 212 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: Now, this is gonna. 213 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 2: Shock you, Casey, but it looks like the Indiana Economic 214 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 2: Development Corporation got into a deal. 215 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: That's going to cost us a bunch of money is 216 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: to have. 217 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 3: Now, Rob, I'm not shocked by this. I'm sorry. 218 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: Okay. So the Capitol Chronicle had this article. 219 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 2: And we will try to explain this to you as 220 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 2: best we can, because like with everything else with the 221 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 2: Indiana Economic Development Corporation, it is confusing and hard to comprehend. 222 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 2: But people serve their country in a variety of ways, 223 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 2: and this is what we do for you telling. 224 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 3: Me it's not the bastion of transparency. 225 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 2: So we assume most people who are longtime listeners know, 226 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 2: but we know we have new listeners coming in all 227 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 2: the time, so very quickly. The Indian Economic Development Corporation 228 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 2: is a shadow quasi government entity, and what that means 229 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,719 Speaker 2: is you pay for it as a taxpayer, but they 230 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 2: got to tell you bupkiss about it. Compared to other 231 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 2: government entities, it's very hard to get information, much harder 232 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 2: than any other government entity in our state, basically to 233 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 2: find out how your money's being spent. But one of 234 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 2: the things that seems clear now is that the Indiana 235 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 2: Economic Development Corporation partnered with a great a nonprofit called 236 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 2: Elevate Ventures. And by the way, I have tried very hard, 237 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 2: like I think I know government better than about ninety 238 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 2: nine point nine percent of the people walking out there. 239 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 2: This is very hard even for me to understand. I 240 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 2: do want to give credit our pal, Stephen Whitmer at 241 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 2: Indie Reporter. I've had to pick his brain on some 242 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 2: of this stuff too, because it is so confusing. And 243 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 2: this is the takeaway from all of this. I mean, 244 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 2: there's the failure here, what appears to be a clear 245 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 2: failure in terms of stewarding our tax money, but it's 246 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 2: that the government has created something that is so hard 247 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 2: to understand that even people who live it like me, 248 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 2: don't fully grasp it and have to ask multiple people, 249 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 2: can you help me put some of. 250 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: These dots together? That shouldn't happen. 251 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 3: It's almost like it's intentional totally. 252 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 2: It's intention almost so as best I can determine, and 253 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 2: we'll get it in with Niki Kelly on this hopefully 254 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 2: on Thursday. A little bit from the Capitol Chronicle because 255 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 2: they have the article Elevate Ventures is a non profit 256 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 2: entity and their job they operate a group called Indiana 257 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 2: Angel Network Fund. Sounds like something out of a Bond movie, 258 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 2: doesn't it. Yeah, what did the villain do her? The 259 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 2: Indiana Angel Network Fund? 260 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 3: Right, Jason Bateman's running it? Yes, I'm an angel investor? 261 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: What? 262 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:23,599 Speaker 2: And they reportedly invested money in startups from the IEDC, 263 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: So like the what you gether is the IDC takes 264 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 2: money from the taxpayers for some reason they can't do 265 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 2: it themselves, which I'm not really clear why they couldn't 266 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 2: just invest the money. There's theories that are abounding, and 267 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 2: we'll see what happens. Because you know that the i 268 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: d C is under this forensic audit. It's supposed to 269 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 2: reveal all because there's a lot of people are very 270 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 2: concerned about multiple layers of the IEDC and what's going on. 271 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, ask Governor Brown. He promised that full audit this 272 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 3: after those reports. 273 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 1: But the IEDC. 274 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 2: Loaned gave it would be loan because expected to be 275 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 2: paid back millions of dollars. I believe seventeen point two 276 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: million is the number to this. Elevate Ventures in August 277 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 2: of twenty eleven. Now, think about this sweetheart deal. They 278 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 2: had fourteen years to repay the money back. I'm guessing 279 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 2: that's without any interest. I saw nothing in here that 280 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 2: alluded to interest until now. And their job was to 281 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: invest this money in startup companies who would then succeed 282 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 2: and then the money would get paid back. And then oh, 283 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 2: in a perfect world, we have all these new companies 284 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 2: here in Indiana and all the taxpayers got made hold. However, 285 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 2: it appears that Elevate Ventures is very very very short 286 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 2: on paying us our money back. 287 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, they paid twelve point nine million back, but they 288 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 3: fell short of four point three million. 289 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 2: So they had eleven years or fourteen years, and over 290 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 2: fourteen years, apparently they were so bad at investing our 291 00:14:56,160 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 2: money in these companies that after fourteen years we're still 292 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 2: owed four point three million dollars. 293 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 3: It seems that maybe the Indiana Angel network is not 294 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 3: very good well at picking what to invest in. 295 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 2: It's like everything else that it seems like comes up 296 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 2: with the Indian Economic Development Corporation, whether these real estate 297 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 2: deals or these sweetheart deals to mega corporations. Everything seems 298 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 2: to work out well for the company or the corporation 299 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: at the center of the investing, but it isn't clear 300 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 2: how it ever benefits us as a taxpayer. And I 301 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 2: so my major question about this, and maybe Nicki Kelly 302 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 2: will be able to explain it, but I haven't found 303 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: somebody who can articulate this yet. Why can't why do 304 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 2: we need a third part? Why did we need a 305 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 2: third party nonprofit to invest our money? 306 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,479 Speaker 3: Well? And isn't the point of investing to get return 307 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 3: on your investment? Right, They're not even able to pay 308 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 3: back the loan, let alone get in. 309 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: So the f so the full circle thing. 310 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 2: And this is the question I always asked when I 311 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 2: was an elected official, is if it's such a good 312 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 2: deal whatever, because people would come all the time and 313 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 2: ask for money as part of these deals. Like I 314 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 2: was always fine with debatements and things like that because 315 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 2: the investment is there and you'll get the property tax 316 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 2: money eventually. You can't opt out of the property tax right. 317 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 2: But when people would come for actual money, my question 318 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 2: would always be, if it's such a good deal. 319 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 3: What do you need us for? 320 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: Right? 321 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 2: Why isn't the private Why isn't a local bank or 322 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 2: or an angel investor, like an actual for profit angel investor? 323 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: For as you don't know. 324 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 2: Angel investors are people who have no interest in your company. 325 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 2: They exist to make money. They look at you on 326 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 2: paper and they go, you're a good deal. Here's money, 327 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 2: and you have X amount of time to pay me back. 328 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 2: They don't want to be involved, they don't want to know. 329 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 2: They just want that they want to make money. Why 330 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 2: isn't anybody doing this? And so the question is, if 331 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 2: these companies are such ironclad great investments, why aren't private 332 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 2: sector people who love to make money? There's no short 333 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 2: of money. And then the other reoccurring question that I 334 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 2: have is why why is our tax burden? As tax 335 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 2: has never been higher? If all of these companies that 336 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 2: we've invested all of our money in are so great 337 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 2: and doing so much for us, our property taxes have 338 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 2: never been higher, our gas taxes have never been higher. 339 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 2: There's all these little fees now that are I mean, 340 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 2: they are taxes, right, They just don't call them taxes. 341 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 2: They just had to raise taxes by a billion dollars 342 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 2: to fund the government. If all of this growth, all 343 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 2: of these mega companies, all of these startups have been 344 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 2: so great, why has the tax burden. 345 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 1: Never been higher? 346 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 3: Here's another thing to consider. Based on this article, IEDC 347 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 3: froze Elevate Ventures accounts. Although they're allowing payments right. Elevate 348 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 3: proposed to repay the loan using funds from Indiana twenty 349 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 3: first Century Research and also Technology Fund, but IEDC rejected 350 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 3: the idea, calling it a risk to their obligations. 351 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 2: They basically wanted to take. They're like, we don't have them. 352 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 2: They basically like this Elevated Ventures. According to this article, 353 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 2: and I'm trying to decipher make this simple here, they 354 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 2: did have the money, so they're basically, we could take 355 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 2: it from this other thing and give it to you. 356 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 2: And then the HEDC is like, but then how would 357 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 2: you give us the money from the earth. They're not 358 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 2: getting it either way exactly now, Stee one of the 359 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 2: things that the Indie Reporter and everybody again, as we said, 360 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,479 Speaker 2: should totally follow at Indie Underscore Reporter Underscore on Twitter, 361 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 2: they dig into this stuff all day, every day. One 362 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 2: of the things that they have alleged is that a 363 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 2: lot of people, multiple people who have gotten these startup 364 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 2: loans are connected in a variety of ways to the 365 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 2: IDC itself. 366 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: Which that's your Oh I'm so shocked. 367 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 3: Aw oh yeah, big surprise. 368 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 2: There is no look, there is no way to fix 369 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 2: the Indiana Economic Development Corporation. Broun could put this new 370 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 2: board out, whatever, what's the first they did? They He's 371 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 2: proved all the data centers right. You cannot fix it. 372 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 2: The thing has to die and go away. You have 373 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 2: to blow it up, Not blow it up and start 374 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 2: it up again. Blow it up and leave it crumbled 375 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 2: on the floor. It will never ever get fixed. 376 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 3: David dead and buried. Dave Shelton's going to join us next. 377 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 2: Yes, he is the Knox County Clerk, which means what 378 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 2: does he do, casey, He administers elections here in the 379 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 2: state of Indiana, person who actually knows how elections work 380 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 2: and operate. He's also running for Secretary of State on 381 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 2: the Republican side. 382 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 3: Do you think you'll have a different opinion on redistricting 383 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 3: than Diego Morales Dead. 384 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 2: Who basically said we are here to serve Trump. Our 385 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 2: elections are just We're just here to serve Donald Trump 386 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 2: with our election. 387 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 3: Jego just wanting to attach his name to Donald Trump 388 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 3: at all costs. 389 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 2: We will ask David Sheldon, as an election administrator, what 390 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 2: he thinks of the redistricting proposal. 391 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: When we come back. 392 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 3: It's Kendallly Casey on ninety three WIBC. 393 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: There goes the last stage in who plays when he 394 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: was to play? 395 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 3: It says when he was. 396 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 4: So it appears more if pump agains, we're all in 397 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 4: on this disastrous idea for redistricting. But one guy in 398 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 4: the state of Indiana, who administers elections for his job 399 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 4: and is currently running to be our state's next top 400 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 4: election official, says not so much. Kennelly Casey showing Rob 401 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 4: Casey's here, Let's go to the WIBC hotline, joined by 402 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 4: David Shelton. He is the clerk of Knox County. He's 403 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 4: also running on the Republican side for Secretary of State. 404 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 1: David Shelton joins us. Now, David, Hello, good morning, Rob. 405 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 5: How are you today? 406 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: I'm great? 407 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 2: All right, So you are a guy who has taken 408 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 2: great pride in the free and fair elections running Knox County. 409 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 2: You are a no drama guy. You just simply show 410 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 2: up to work each day and do your job. And 411 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 2: you are one of the Republicans coming out saying, hey, 412 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 2: this redistricting thing kind of got some flaws in the plan. 413 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 5: What say you, Well, there are some clauses logistically Now, 414 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 5: I feel like our maps here in Indiana are very fair, 415 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 5: very good, very compact. It's a beautiful mass. The legislators 416 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 5: did a wonderful jobating our maps in twenty twenty one, 417 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 5: but I see some logistical issues getting the work done 418 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 5: in time this year. Now, there are several communities that 419 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 5: did not get the redistricting done in twenty twenty one 420 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 5: and twenty twenty two on the county level, local level, 421 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 5: and it got so bad that the legislators had to 422 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 5: pass a new law last year that created a grace 423 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 5: period this calendar year to redistrict. So we're already doing 424 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 5: mid decade redistricting currently on the county level. I don't 425 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 5: know how the exact number. Some are ten to twelve 426 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 5: counties have redistricted this calendar year, and they're still working 427 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 5: on moving these voters. This is sometimes it's not an 428 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 5: easy task. If you move a complete precinct from one 429 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 5: district to another, you can do that with a few 430 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 5: mouse clicks. It's called batch movement. It's a done in 431 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 5: a batch process. But when you have to get more 432 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 5: specific where you're creating new precincts or eliminating split precincts, 433 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 5: then you have to do manual at risk range assignments. 434 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 5: That's very cumbersome. The clerks can't do that on their own. 435 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 5: They have to partner with a staff member at the 436 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 5: Indiana Election Division. 437 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 2: Hey, David real quick, I wanted to David Shelton's our guest. 438 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 2: He's the clerk of Knox County. He's running for Secretary 439 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 2: of State. I wanted to read you this quote from 440 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 2: Diego Morales, because this is the office you're running for. 441 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 2: You take great pride in saying, Look, our job is 442 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 2: to administer the will of the General Assembly. This is 443 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 2: what I currently do for a county government. They do 444 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 2: it very well. The elections. Our job is to make 445 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 2: it fair. May the best candidate win. Here's the quote 446 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 2: from Diego Morales, the Indiana Secretary of State. That trust 447 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 2: includes the responsibility to draw congressional maps that reflect the 448 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 2: will of the voters maps that will send a delegation 449 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 2: to Washington committed to advancing President Trump's America First Agenda. 450 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 2: Is that the job of the Secretary of State to 451 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 2: argue for an election process that puts one guy in 452 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 2: more power. 453 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 5: It's not the job of the Secretary of State for 454 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 5: that is to administer our elections based upon the will 455 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 5: the new laws that may or may not be passed. 456 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 5: So you know, technically, the secretary of State is an 457 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 5: administrative position. We're at the mercy of political wins all 458 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 5: the time. Now, I want to be very clear, we 459 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 5: have good maps in Indiana. I do. However, I'm going 460 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 5: to kind of go against you here. I understand the 461 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 5: reasoning for this, and it's not based on anything that's 462 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 5: going on in Indiana. It's based on what's going on 463 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 5: around the country. During Dividen administration, we had you know, 464 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 5: you see various numbers, but we'll just say fifteen million 465 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 5: illegal aliens came into the country and they all seem 466 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 5: to concentrate in our sanctuary states, the sanctuary cities. Fifteen 467 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 5: million people basically equals thirty congressional seats. That is what 468 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 5: the concern is. That's what this push is all about, 469 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 5: because come twenty thirty one, when we redistrict again, we're 470 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 5: going to lose seats or Republicans will and that's something 471 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 5: that we will not be able to overcome in my opinion, ever, 472 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 5: ever again. 473 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 2: But wait, wait wait wait wait wait wait wait, David, 474 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 2: but the Republicans already have control of the House of 475 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 2: Representatives if this illegally right, but if they govern better, 476 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 2: how many times do Republicans lose because they don't do 477 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 2: the things they promised to do if they actually if 478 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 2: this was about, well, we'll never be able to overcome this, clearly. 479 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 2: I mean, Trump's throwing millions of these people out of 480 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 2: the country. We hear about what a great job he's 481 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 2: doing with that. And they have control of the House, 482 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 2: so that doesn't really fly that they can't win because 483 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 2: they currently have control of everything. 484 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 5: Well, they need more control, they need more votes. And 485 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 5: it's all based upon the next census. You know, we 486 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 5: need to make it where non citizens are not counted 487 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 5: in our elections. Because we gain those thirty the Democrats 488 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,439 Speaker 5: gain those thirty seats in the House, then it's as 489 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 5: a matter of time before DC and Puerto Rico gained 490 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 5: statehood that's for additional senators that will be Democrat. We 491 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 5: will see illegals being granted the right to vote. We'll 492 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 5: see Supreme Court packing. I really feel like this is 493 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 5: an in game situation and we've got to play catch 494 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 5: up on here now again. Here in Indiana, we've done 495 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 5: a good job, but it's a bigger picture than just Indiana's. 496 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 2: But our maps are already a little rigged, right, You 497 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 2: can say they do a good job if seventy eight 498 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 2: percent of our congressional district are Republican and only fifty 499 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 2: eight percent of the people voted Republican in the most 500 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 2: recent election, and seventy percent of the state House seats 501 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 2: are a Republican and eighty percent of the Senate seats 502 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 2: are a Republican. Let's not act like we're re quire boys here. 503 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 2: We just we just altered the fifth Congressional district to 504 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,239 Speaker 2: save Victoria's sparks because she's a complete lunatic and they 505 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 2: knew that was the only way they were going to 506 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 2: keep her in power. Let's not act like we're just 507 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 2: totally altruistic in this. We already do jerry mandering here. 508 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,199 Speaker 5: I would disagree with that. I mean, in addition to 509 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 5: what you just stated with a different supermajority is you know, 510 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 5: Republicans hold ninety percent of elected county offices as well. 511 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 5: You know, I don't see as jerry mandering. I see 512 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 5: it as a mandate from the people because that's the 513 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 5: way they are voting. 514 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 2: So what But so what we're saying is what we're 515 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 2: saying then, is when we don't like the election results 516 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 2: or we want to make it more in our favor, 517 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 2: we'll just change the rules. 518 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: Why do we even have rules? 519 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 2: Why don't we just declare all nine people are Republican 520 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 2: and be done with it. Like, I mean, like, I'm 521 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 2: shocked because you've always been so much about election integrity 522 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 2: and if some of the state is doing something that's 523 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 2: that's bad. Right, But we live in Indiana. We pay 524 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 2: taxes in Indiana. I don't want to pay taxes to 525 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 2: facilitate a takeover by the Republicans if they can't win 526 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 2: elections fair and square. Your old premise of runing against 527 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 2: Diego has been an election integrity. This doesn't sound like 528 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 2: it's a lot of integrity. 529 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 5: Well, I'm not saying that I one hundred percent agree 530 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 5: with what's going on. I was just trying to give 531 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 5: you a broad overview on a national level why it's 532 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,479 Speaker 5: being done. To me personally, the optics are terrible. I 533 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 5: think it is a very bad policy to do a 534 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 5: mid this mid decade redistricting. In my opinion, we would 535 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 5: be better served to simply do away with straight party 536 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 5: ticket voting. I feel that would make the first district 537 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 5: and the seventh district more competitive. I see numbers of 538 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 5: the rates of straight party Democrat voting in those areas 539 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 5: that that voting is institutionalized, it's generational up there, and 540 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 5: if we took that away, I think those districts become 541 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 5: instantly more competitive. 542 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 2: Do you think that then you could make a push 543 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 2: for this, because there have been many, especially independent minded 544 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 2: people who have said exactly what you've said is straight 545 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 2: party ticket voting is lazy. It's a complete lack of 546 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 2: effort by the voter. It takes two minutes to work 547 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,719 Speaker 2: through your ballots. You have to work through it. Republicans 548 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 2: have fought this for years. Do you think this could 549 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 2: be now a catalyst if it could win them more 550 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 2: seats in Congress to do as you said, get rid 551 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 2: of straight ticket voting. 552 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 5: Well, unfortunately, as you've seen it and have been frustrated 553 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 5: with before. Sometimes they don't do what's best. They look 554 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 5: out for their own entry will be There are elected 555 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 5: Republicans and normally Democrat counties who you know live in 556 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 5: a Republican area and they're concerned they would lose their 557 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 5: races if they lost their straight party ticket voting. But 558 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 5: straight party ticket voting, you know, Democrats lead that two 559 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 5: to one, because I feel like Republicans are more of 560 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 5: independent thinkers. I mean, I'll push the button for a 561 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 5: straight party ticket vote, but then I'll go back and 562 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 5: unselect certain selections if I don't like somebody I don't 563 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 5: think they're doing. There will be an undervote on my ballot. 564 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 5: But there's been a push. It was proposed last year, 565 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 5: as recently as last year, and I would continue to 566 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 5: push for that. I mean, we have it's not even 567 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 5: a total straight party ticket voting system in Indiana because 568 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 5: you're at large, racist county council at large, city council 569 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 5: at large are not covered and it causes mass confusion, 570 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 5: it causes under votes, and we should just do away 571 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 5: with it. And another reason to get rid of straight 572 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 5: party ticket voting in Indiana. It would take a lot 573 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 5: of fodder away from from the people who claim our 574 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 5: voting machines are rigged and they flip vote. Because what 575 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 5: happens I see it every single election. I have somebody 576 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 5: who wants to vote straight Republican. Last year, for example, 577 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 5: I'm voting straight Republican. I want to vote for Trump. 578 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 5: They hit the button for straight party ticket voting. Then 579 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 5: they pat, you know, go to the next page. They 580 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 5: see Trump's thay, oh, I want to vote for Trump, 581 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 5: and they hit the button next to Trump's name. Well 582 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 5: what that does when you've already hit the straight party 583 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 5: ticket vote, It actually removes the vote for Trump. So 584 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 5: it's operator air with straight party ticket voting. But they're 585 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 5: blaming the machines, saying they're flipping votes when that's not 586 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 5: the case. It was it was the Erra, it was 587 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 5: not the. 588 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: Indian all right. 589 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 2: Well, as you know, we have said an age potato 590 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 2: skin or a disregarded orange peel would be better than Diego. 591 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 2: You're trying to defeat him at a convention this year. 592 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 2: If people are next year, if pe would like to 593 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 2: learn more about your race for Secretary of State, how 594 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 2: can they do that? 595 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 5: Please go to the website Shelton for Indiana dot Com. 596 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 2: And I not that I was comparing you to an 597 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 2: age potato skin or a disregarded orange peel. 598 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: I was just just funny. Be better than Diego. David Shelton, 599 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. Yeah, it's Kennel Casey Show ninety 600 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: three WIBC. 601 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,959 Speaker 2: Jason Hammer from the number one rated Hammer in nighttil 602 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 2: Afternoon Show joins us. Now it's Kennelly Casey Show. I'm 603 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 2: Rob Casey's back. Hello, Hammer, Casey's alive. 604 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 6: You had doubts, Well, I heard you were dead, so 605 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 6: I thought Rob had you whacked so he could do 606 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 6: the show himself. And I wouldn't put in past five 607 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 6: straight days of Haggard and Charlie Kirk. Get ready, here 608 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 6: it comes because he whacked Casey. She's no longer with us. 609 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 6: God blesser, that's what he did to the chicks. 610 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know he missed me. 611 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: Don't let him. 612 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 3: He missed me because he had to do double the work. 613 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 6: Right, Well, we all missed you. It's good to see you. 614 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 6: Thank you all right, So question for the brain trust 615 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 6: in this room real quick. 616 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 2: You have a new video out, by the way, I 617 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 2: thought that would make she had time to promote that 618 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 2: before you get into your sure. 619 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 6: Go to Hammer and Nigel Show, Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. 620 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: It's been a little while since we've done like fun 621 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: wacky video. 622 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 6: Get's super busy, right, So the twenty something's in the 623 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 6: digital department, they've been coming to us every day. You 624 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 6: need to do another video, You need to do another video, 625 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 6: have to have one hundred likes. Like, there's nothing worse 626 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 6: than getting barked at by some twenty year old who 627 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 6: hasn't accomplished anything. Right, So it was like, all right, fine, fine, 628 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 6: So every day we try to get one hundred likes 629 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 6: on the YouTube stream and we have a new video 630 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 6: out and it's a little middle finger to the folks 631 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 6: in the digital department and then give us crap all 632 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 6: the time. 633 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: It's got to be something young. You got to bring 634 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: in young listeners. Fine, So if. 635 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 6: You want to see what it is right now, go 636 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 6: to Hammer and Nigel Show, Facebook, Twitter or Instagram. 637 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: Do us a favor and share it too. 638 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 3: I have a question, be honest, Yes, was Matt Bear 639 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 3: wearing pants? 640 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: No? That was real? 641 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 3: Okay, that's real. 642 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 6: Now, he wasn't really taking a deuce, that was acting, 643 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 6: But he did not have pants on them, and you 644 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 6: know he was acting because Matt's normally an upper decker 645 00:31:58,520 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 6: kind of guy. 646 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: So but every time you share that from our. 647 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 6: Facebook or every time you retweet it, it's the equivalent 648 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 6: of a middle finger to the twenty somethings in our 649 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 6: digital department that bother me every day already. 650 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: So that it is very fabulous. I've seen it. It was 651 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: very well done, Thank you very much. 652 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 6: A question we debated on our program yesterday, and I 653 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 6: feel like, Casey, this might be in your wheelhouse here. 654 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 6: So I watched that Netflix documentary on The Biggest Loser, right, 655 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 6: three parts series episodes are pretty short, like forty five minutes, 656 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 6: so it's a quick watch, and it just goes to 657 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 6: show how awful like that show was. Like one woman 658 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 6: almost died. They basically had to resuscitate her. They're working 659 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 6: her so hard. The trainers like they make Jillian Michaels 660 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 6: out to be the biggest monster in this thing. 661 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: She seems very unpleasant. 662 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, she did not take part in said documentary, but 663 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 6: the other guy, the Bob guy, did, Yeah, but yeah, 664 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 6: it was wild. They were expected these five hundred pounds people, 665 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 6: they were expected to burn like six to eight thousand 666 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,959 Speaker 6: calories a day and they could only consume eight hundred. Well, 667 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 6: they were getting these drugs and like. 668 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 2: These fat burner pills, and yeah, and look you, I mean, 669 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 2: you've never been anywhere near five hundred pounds that I'm 670 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 2: aware of, but you've been what you kind of looked 671 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 2: at in the mirror and said, I'm a little hefty, 672 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 2: and you've lost weight over time. It's not easy for 673 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 2: a lot of people to lose weight. 674 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 6: It's not And the older you get, you know that 675 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 6: metabolism slows down and it's tough. I get it, you know, 676 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 6: you get to that plateau part. But man, the stuff 677 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 6: they were making these people do. It's I never watched 678 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 6: The Biggest Loser. It didn't either, but it was a 679 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 6: huge show. And they had merchandise and you know, diet 680 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 6: plants and they're all full of crap. They were just 681 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 6: doping these people up, giving them fat burners, working them 682 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 6: to exit. 683 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: Right, So that brought us. 684 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 6: To the conversation of greatest reality show of all time, 685 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 6: and Biggest Loser was a big one, but we came 686 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 6: down to either American Idol, Sure survivor Yeah, there's a 687 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 6: lot of great reality shows people could argue the real 688 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 6: world people could argue Big Brother all that kind of stuff, 689 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 6: But I feel like those are one A and one B. 690 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, American Idol did launch the careers of many singers, 691 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 3: Carrie Underwood, Kelly Clarkson. They did have a lot of 692 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 3: turnover with the judges. I can recall watching that with 693 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 3: my daughter and. 694 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: Paul dule was like manned some of them, right. 695 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 3: Steven Tyler remember him when he was a judge. My 696 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 3: daughter was younger, she was like, whose grandma is that? 697 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: Steven Tyler looks like everybody's cool grandma. 698 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 5: Reason. 699 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 3: But I would say Survivor definitely. I'm a huge Survivor fan. 700 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 3: I've always wanted to be on the show. 701 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 6: So rob it feels like maybe American Idols made more money, 702 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 6: but Survivor, especially early on, has survived. They had that 703 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 6: pop culture thing, like they had that grip on society, 704 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 6: and I remember season two that was like the big thing. 705 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: They premiered right after the Super Bowl on the NBS. Yeah. 706 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 2: I loved the fight between the old seal guy and 707 00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 2: the guy that. 708 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 6: Guy which was Richard Hatch and Rudy who was like 709 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 6: the old military guy. Yeah, yeah, that was that first 710 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,399 Speaker 6: season was which was greatest reality show of all time? 711 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 2: I would say Survivors that season one at least. Yes, 712 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 2: But you know, I'm more sophisticated. I don't really consume 713 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:14,320 Speaker 2: reality television. 714 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: He lives it. What's coming on. 715 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 6: After this afternoon, We've got the Tonas Tony Kennet will 716 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 6: join us. We're gonna have a lot of fun, a 717 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 6: lot of laughs, and we'll give away some Luke Bryant tickets. 718 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 3: Nice thanks Hammer. It is Kendall and Casey on ninety 719 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 3: three WIBC.