1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: The Frames Per Second Podcast. 2 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 2: What's going on in sub boy, Nick? 3 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 3: You are now tuned into another episode of the frames 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 3: per Second Podcast. 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 2: I am here with Mike C. 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 3: Town Yo, Kenneth ban Ola, and Spike Lou of the 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 3: on Deck TV show and another week in of books. 8 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: How you doing, sir, I'm good. Uh. This episode is 9 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: going to be more of a discussion and conversation. 10 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:30,159 Speaker 1: Uh. 11 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 3: We try to have these every now and then, just 12 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 3: to get an update on the landscape of all these 13 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 3: you know, streaming platforms. Lou has made fun of me 14 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 3: and Jalen already saying this is just a conversation basically 15 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 3: between us that we haven't with with y'all and them. 16 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 2: But yeah, just wanted us to hear what y'all think about. 17 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 3: Netflix overall and if Netflix is still quote unquote Netflix 18 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 3: as in like the big the biggest streaming giant, the 19 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 3: number one head honcho when it comes to all the 20 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 3: streaming shit. Has the quality of Netflix still been in 21 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 3: that rarely air or has it dipped? Has other have 22 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 3: other platforms taken over that number one spot? 23 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 2: So just kind of discussion on that. 24 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 4: M is Netflix still came Basically yeah, of course. 25 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 5: I think what Netflix does better than any other streaming services. 26 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 5: It's in the zygees more so if there's a popular show. 27 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 6: For example, when it just came up. 28 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 5: Hunter Wives, it does a popular show that you had 29 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 5: not heard of a Seno freeview. 30 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 6: I'm telling you. 31 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 3: Hunter Wives, and you said, and you said, that's a 32 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 3: popular show because of what because. 33 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 2: You watch it? 34 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 6: It was number one on Netflix. 35 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 5: Everybody was still mean about bike dude that that was 36 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 5: going to my point as y'all let me finish, was 37 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 5: with stuff like that come across, I would have never 38 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 5: watched it if it wasn't for people making ridiculous comments 39 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 5: about how wild it was, how messy it was. I 40 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 5: was telling you can on my timeline for Twitter, and 41 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 5: then I watched it and I was like, okay. So 42 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 5: Netflix is good at controlling the conversation for like a 43 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 5: week or two, where the other streaming services struggle at 44 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 5: It's almost like if you know, you know, I'm watching 45 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 5: maybe three four shows on Apple right now, and it's like, 46 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 5: have you heard of this? And people are like, I 47 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 5: don't even know what that is because it doesn't trend anywhere. 48 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 6: People don't talk about it. 49 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 5: So Netflix still is doing a good job of incertain 50 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 5: it shows into the conversation, But the quality of the 51 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 5: shows I don't think. 52 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 6: I think there's paramoise better. Apple is better. 53 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 5: They're a lot better streaming service quality shows than it 54 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 5: is Netflix. 55 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 6: They just got they hand on the pulse. 56 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 4: I I wish Apple TV would slow down their quality 57 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 4: because they just raised the fucking price get because you know, 58 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 4: that show's hit and they have a and people gonna 59 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 4: show up to watch their shows. I think Netflix is 60 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 4: still Netflix. I think they are still the top dog. 61 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 4: I think Spike is right in the sense that you know, 62 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 4: when it comes to people talking about streaming, Netflix is 63 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 4: gonna pop up on people's minds most of all. And 64 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 4: I think while some of their original series don't necessarily 65 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 4: hit in the way that they did when they started 66 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,399 Speaker 4: out with House of Cards, they still have Stranger Things, 67 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 4: which is still really really popular. Ozark was popular every 68 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 4: once in a while. Orange and Black was another hit 69 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 4: from them back in the day. I think what they 70 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 4: do really really well is they can find and purchase 71 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 4: content to put on there that people like to consume 72 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 4: for nostalgia purposes. 73 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: I think the recommendation. 74 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 4: Engine is really good when it comes to them recommending 75 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 4: stuff that you may like if you do the thumbs 76 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 4: up button and the thumbs down. I think they do 77 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 4: a good job of trying to find stuff that may 78 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 4: be suitable to what you want to watch. My Netflix 79 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 4: Q is crazy and I'm not going to get to 80 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 4: them all, but whenever something pops up, you know, on 81 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 4: the slider at the top, I'm adding it to my 82 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 4: list because I'm curious. So I think they still dominate. 83 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 4: I think they still have the most subscribers of all 84 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 4: the streaming services. 85 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: So I think they're still top dog. 86 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be hard for anyone to knock 87 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 4: Netflix off his pedestal. 88 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say. 89 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 3: I think it's hard not to say Netflix is still 90 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 3: number one because it's kind of like Kleenex. It's like 91 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 3: you don't even think about it as a brand. You 92 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 3: just think about it as just the product itself. 93 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 2: And I've still like to lose point. 94 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 3: It is still popular enough to catch different moments in 95 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 3: on like social media and chattering based off of what 96 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 3: it's on. I feel like it's one of the I 97 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 3: feel like it's we're like, it's not viewed as two B, 98 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 3: but it has to be quality shows and TV and 99 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 3: like movies, but they still consider it like, I guess 100 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 3: better than that because it's the first thing that everyone 101 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 3: thinks about. As far as Netflix being that popular brand. However, 102 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 3: I do think it's slipping. I do think it's slipping. 103 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 3: I think apps like HBO Max or whatever it's called themself. 104 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 3: I think they're starting to turn out shows that are like, Okay, 105 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 3: this rivals Netflix even with the variety of stuff. 106 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: And I think Apple. 107 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 3: TV Plus because they raising their price, can they got 108 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 3: to come out with most shit otherwise I'm canceling my shit. 109 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 3: So and so far they got they got a nice 110 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 3: run because you know The Morning Show coming back. People 111 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 3: talking about that, even though that show is had a 112 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 3: crazy ended for a third season and they obviously got 113 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 3: the studio. Then you got Ted Lasso may come back, 114 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 3: Shrinking is big. 115 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: Invasion is a show. I'm watching this, the South Fast Show. 116 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 3: It just came back, Invasion Foundation, and then the War 117 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 3: Smoke Like, it's a lot of stuff that you're starting to, 118 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 3: you know, run off a list. I think Apple is 119 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 3: gonna come back, Yeah, Apple TV Plus is definitely, and 120 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 3: then they got the Well, I don't know if this 121 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 3: is a big thing, but like movies, going straight to 122 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 3: their platform like f one and then Spike Lee joint 123 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 3: like they're starting to kind of get like, all right, 124 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 3: we're attraction. 125 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:26,119 Speaker 1: Yeah. But like Spike said, I think when it comes 126 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: to your. 127 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 4: Everyday person, it's hard to talk to them about like 128 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 4: Apple TV content because they're not in the know. It's 129 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 4: almost like they're so somewhat bougie to a certain degree 130 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 4: about some of the shows that they have and how 131 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 4: many people have I mean, there's a lot of people 132 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 4: that have iPhones, but are you going to go to. 133 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: An Apple TV to upgrade just to watch the show? 134 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 4: Like it really has to Like Break three, like Severance 135 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 4: is a really popular show. 136 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: You know, and it's done well for them. 137 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 4: But in terms of like super brand recognition, it's Netflix. 138 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: I think Max is a close. I don't know about 139 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: Mats Nick. 140 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 2: Max, those are the only two that I can see. 141 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 3: Mike, I don't know what your thoughts are, but like 142 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 3: I think Netflix is it's still King, but like it's 143 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 3: a it's like the King off of the House of 144 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 3: the Dragon's Agent. 145 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 2: I'm with you. I don't like these days. 146 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 3: I don't even know how often I turn to Netflix 147 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 3: if I'm just like man, I really want something to watch, 148 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 3: I'll usually go to Max first, I'll get to Netflix, 149 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 3: but sometimes I even pop on Hulu first because especially 150 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 3: for the price, I don't think Netflix is holding up 151 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 3: their end of the bargain because more often than not, 152 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 3: the shows I end up watching are trash. 153 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 6: You know. 154 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 3: They're getting a lot of foreign shows, which I think 155 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 3: is great, Like they'll get a lot of Korean shows 156 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 3: and Spanish speaking shows, but then when I watch them, 157 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,679 Speaker 3: I'm just like, this is fucking awful. 158 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: This is awful. 159 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 3: But they still they do really good with documentaries. They 160 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 3: do a great job with especially docuseries. But I think 161 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 3: that Netflix is only still at the top because our 162 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 3: name recognition, because people, just like Nick said, it's hard 163 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 3: to separate Netflix from streaming giant, you know, even though 164 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 3: other uh other streaming services have better shows at this point, 165 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 3: let's be real, Like Max has better shows, Apple TV 166 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 3: has better shows, but Netflix is just they've. 167 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 6: Been around longer. 168 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 3: They're like the j Z of streaming services, like the 169 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 3: they can put out as many fucking whack versus as 170 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 3: they want, but because at some point we held them 171 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 3: to this standard, there's nothing they can do to break it. 172 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 1: I don't know it fits. 173 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 2: You know, I'm not wrong. 174 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 4: That's fit. Now they are now they're putting out a 175 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 4: matt Na Carter from a reasonable doubt. What is a 176 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 4: holy Grail, Spike is after the. 177 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 6: Album when Kingdom Come. 178 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 3: And every once in a while they'll give you a 179 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 3: four four four, but then most of the time it's 180 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 3: more Magna Carta's And then the shows that are good. 181 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 3: I feel like they didn't actually like do much with him. 182 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 3: They just pulled him from somewhere else. So it's almost 183 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 3: like that album where he was like doing it with 184 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 3: jaylight Trona people from comedy, you know what I'm saying, 185 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 3: Like we was just biting my Commi's like. 186 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 4: It's Netflix, Yeah, I think it's just so for me, 187 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 4: it's probably the first well after YouTube. 188 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 1: It's between YouTube and then Netflix. 189 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 4: And I think part of it is because I do 190 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 4: watch a lot of those foreign shows. Now the quality 191 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 4: may not be superb, but I'm watching it, like Mark, 192 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 4: they be sending me all kinds of Korean shit. I 193 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 4: watch it bro a lot of foreign films. I end 194 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 4: up watching a lot of those stuff. So for me 195 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 4: as a consumer of that stuff, because my agro just 196 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 4: hits that way, That's why I tend to go through it, 197 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 4: go to that one first, just to see what's there. 198 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: Quality. 199 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 4: I think in terms of quality, Apple TV is is 200 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:29,839 Speaker 4: top notch. 201 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: I do go to Max. 202 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 4: I think if it's a Saturday night, I said, I 203 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 4: don't need to find a movie to watch, I go 204 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 4: to Netflix first, and then I go to Max to 205 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 4: see what's on there. 206 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: The rest of the ones are kind of. 207 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 4: Like specialty services that that may have something, or I 208 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,719 Speaker 4: play for an annual subscription that's cheaper like Paramount plus 209 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 4: peak out or whatever. But I know we don't have 210 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 4: a total streaming platform conversation. But right now I don't 211 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 4: see a lot of people talking about those in the 212 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 4: way that they talk about Netflix. 213 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 3: But you don't see it, You don't see a challenger 214 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 3: because to me, like I see, I think app like 215 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 3: the one thing I think when of y'all mentioned it, 216 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 3: like Apple has the unique kind of advance, like they're 217 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 3: demn nearing like ninety percent of people's households already without 218 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 3: them knowing it because they have iPhones. 219 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 2: So all you really have to. 220 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 3: Do is do one of their little bundle deals with 221 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 3: like Apple Music, you get Apple Music, Apple TV fans. 222 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that little Yeah. 223 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 3: So like, it only takes somebody doing that to being like, 224 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 3: all right, let me just see what else they got, 225 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, while I'm paying for this, 226 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 3: and then they fall into a rapper hole and they 227 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 3: be like, and I think that's what I'm saying right now. 228 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. 229 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 2: I think Netflix is still keing, But. 230 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 3: Maybe in the next five to ten years we're gonna 231 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 3: be saying something different because yep, things are changing. 232 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 2: Likes, no one's gonna stay that high for that long. 233 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 3: They had a huge lead over everyone because they were 234 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 3: the first one to really kind of get established and 235 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 3: really be innovative in that way. But now that everybody's 236 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 3: kind of got the formula, somebody took it up a recipe. 237 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 6: I don't think everybody has a formula. I think that's 238 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 6: the point of it. 239 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 5: With Apple TV, for instance, the only mainstream show that 240 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 5: they have is Severing. Shit, they took it the whole 241 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 5: first season. You're right, that's true, but that's off the air. 242 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 5: Like what I'm saying is they put out a lot 243 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 5: of quality content, but it doesn't seem like a lot 244 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 5: of it latches on Netflix because to Mike's example, they 245 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 5: are jay Z. They throw stuff out all the time. 246 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 5: Like I mentioned, y'all Hunter Wives. I wouldn't watch that 247 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 5: on any other streaming service. It just so happened that 248 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 5: it was trending number one on Netflix. People will talk 249 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 5: about you watching it in general, don't knock it till 250 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 5: you try watch when y'all watch, you know. 251 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 3: Try to rationalize goofball ship and say, that's the reason 252 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 3: why they still. 253 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 5: Keep That is the reason why, because they have these 254 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 5: flash in the paying moments like the movie that it's 255 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 5: not even good when Sandra Bullock was blind and everybody 256 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 5: was talking about it. Like, they have these moments that 257 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 5: other streaming services just very. 258 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 6: Rarely do they have. But they have this ship with 259 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 6: Jake Paul. 260 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 5: They've been doing live football games like they No one 261 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 5: else is even close to what they're doing as a 262 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 5: streamer service. 263 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 3: But I'm only bringing up and I'm only giving you that, uh, 264 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 3: I'm agreeing with you with that point is because of 265 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 3: the time frame though, they were the first to do 266 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 3: any of this shit, so of course they're going to 267 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 3: be ahead of everybody. I'm just saying as time is 268 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 3: going on, that window was gonna close. Because of course, 269 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 3: now that we know that people can do exclusive deals 270 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 3: for streaming platforms. They're not gonna Netflix ain't the only 271 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 3: motherfucker in the room. When other people want to do 272 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 3: these creative things. Not everybody's just gonna say I can 273 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 3: get this on Netflix. They say, no, I can get 274 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 3: this on here and there. In the third, Mike, you 275 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:53,599 Speaker 3: mentioned a good a good show that I'm about to 276 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 3: start watching on TV, which is the yeah, damaskts Like, 277 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 3: it's like we're there's once you started having multiple conversations 278 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 3: with other platforms, a lot of shit is just gonna 279 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 3: whoever's gonna be the highest bidder, who's gonna give me 280 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 3: the most creative control? 281 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: Yep. I think at some point someone could challenge them 282 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: for that. 283 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 4: But Netflix has three hundred and one million subscribers to 284 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 4: Apple Plus, Paramount Matts Prime, Like that's gonna like, I 285 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 4: don't know what they're gonna put on their platforms in 286 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 4: order to catch up with them, especially Apple TV Plus, 287 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 4: because they don't have they only do original content. That's 288 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 4: the advantage that other entities have is that they can 289 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 4: go get old ip and put it on that put 290 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 4: on their platforms, and Netflix has that in abundance. 291 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 3: But and I don't know, Mike, I want to get 292 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 3: your thoughts on this point and that I'm thinking about 293 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 3: as Ken was saying that are we judging these platforms 294 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 3: based off subscribers or just the quality of content? Because 295 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 3: to those I'm sorry, I was gonna say that could 296 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 3: be two different conversations to me, I agree. 297 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: I agree. 298 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 3: I think that I understand where Kn's coming from as 299 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 3: far as them having a lot of uh subscribers, but 300 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 3: I think a lot of them are people like me 301 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 3: who just don't cancel shit. I've had Netflix pretty much 302 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 3: since it started, and I just don't cancel. 303 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 2: I don't. I barely ever use it. 304 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 3: I need to fucking cancel it because it's like, damn 305 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 3: near twenty dollars a month and I'm barely using any 306 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 3: of it, you know what I'm saying. So I think 307 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 3: that them having a large subscriber base just plays into 308 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 3: the fact that they've been around for so long. 309 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 2: As far as. 310 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 3: Quality of shows, Like I said, it's very rare that 311 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 3: I watch anything other than a documentary on Netflix, and 312 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 3: walk Away being like that was really good. That all 313 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 3: of that said, I did just watch Night Always Comes, 314 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 3: which is I'm pretty sure I really liked it. I 315 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 3: thought it was excellce. 316 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 4: I started it and I haven't. I was like, writing 317 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 4: the first five to ten minutes. 318 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 2: It's it's it's straw for white people. 319 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 4: Man, Yo, I'm glad you brought that up back, because 320 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 4: that was the thought, Mike, I promise you. 321 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: I was talking to my wife. I was like, we 322 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: rarely see. 323 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 4: Poor white people are tour on TV, and and it 324 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 4: was that movie that that created that thought. I was 325 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 4: and I started really thinking about said, how often do 326 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 4: we see struggling white phones on television. 327 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 3: It's it's not just the struggle, and I'm not gonna 328 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 3: get any spoilers away, it's just the fact that she 329 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 3: is having the most ridiculously bad day. Like this felt 330 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 3: like if there is a white Tyler Perry, they wrote 331 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 3: this movie. But this but unlike Straw, this is actually 332 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 3: really good. 333 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 2: Like it's a good story, it's tense. 334 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 3: It's not like you're watching being like ha ha, that's 335 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 3: so stupid. 336 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 2: It's really good. 337 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 3: So but yeah, So Netflix every once in a while 338 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 3: will pop out with something really good. 339 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 2: But for the most part. 340 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 3: I'm not clicking anything on Netflix. I saw Hunter Wives 341 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 3: pop up, but I'm sorry I don't. I'm not that 342 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 3: bored for me, that is. 343 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, it ain't for you. It definitely is not for you. 344 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 5: You're not the target. All you know like it and 345 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 5: Nick gon like it too. 346 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 3: I'm laughing because one of the baby mamas I'm talking to, 347 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 3: she she talked about it because she went she was like, 348 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 3: I thought I was watching like the Wives of Hunters. 349 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: Like I don't want to click. 350 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 4: I don't want to press play on any episode. 351 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 2: What's your start? 352 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 6: Sit there and watch all of them. I'm telling you 353 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. 354 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 3: Can She told me what it was about, and I 355 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 3: was like, I'm not gonna just like what you're about 356 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 3: to go on ken if I click play one time. 357 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 2: I'm watching the whole thing, and I don't feel like 358 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 2: wasting my time right now. 359 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 4: Right now, I think Netflix has bridges to too make 360 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 4: iin't never watched. 361 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: It's really poplic I don't. 362 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 2: I get that mixed up with Down Down Downtown Abbey. 363 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 5: That's crazy because HBO got a version of that too. 364 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 5: That no one talks about the yielded age. 365 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 6: It's just like, uh, I would assume it's just like 366 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 6: what you bridges. 367 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 3: Mike I had, I had a few white women had 368 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 3: to correct me on that that show it's called Downton 369 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 3: Abbey because I said down, yeah, because I was like, 370 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 3: I told him, was like, why people keep talking about 371 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 3: this downtown. 372 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 2: I was like, it was like, it's down What is 373 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 2: that white downtown? Wait a minute, it's like. 374 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: The ship. 375 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 6: I think it's pronounce it's hold on but everything everything 376 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 6: I know say downtown. 377 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: Oh ship, He's right, there is no coming. 378 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I've been calling this ship downtown Abbey 379 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 3: for like ten years. 380 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 2: He's like I was doing the same thing. That's how 381 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 2: you know I didn't give a funk about the series. 382 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 5: Bro, what and you probably thought they was crazy when 383 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 5: they first told Yeah, I. 384 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:36,479 Speaker 3: Was like, I was like I was, I thought they 385 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 3: was doing some racist ship, like trying to correct me 386 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 3: on my my pronunciation and all that. 387 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 2: Ship like diga, it's downtown. 388 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 4: Downtown, bro, I thought it was downtown. I always saw 389 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 4: W two. 390 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 2: That's crazy. So because because I don't know what the 391 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 2: fuck of Doubnton? Yeah, where is Mountain? 392 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 6: I don't even know what that is? Position is a 393 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 6: mental illness, right it is? 394 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 4: I'm sorry that probably went uh got down sent. 395 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 2: For those listening. I am not laughing. 396 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I apologize. 397 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:42,239 Speaker 4: Uh Jesus, you don't have one. The one thing that 398 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 4: I think I could probably contend with Netflix, it's to be. 399 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 4: As crazy as that may sound, I feel you on 400 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 4: that man to be in terms of like name recognition, 401 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 4: people just random people just talking about. 402 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 1: It is right there. Yep. 403 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 4: And they have old like they have a very similar 404 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 4: formula to Netflix. They just don't have a lot of like, uh, 405 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 4: well the Mask is one that we're talking about that's 406 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 4: on there, but original content. 407 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: But they got all the old ship on there. 408 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 4: If you're looking for a movie to watch that you 409 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 4: can't find anywhere, it's probably on two B. 410 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, people talk about it. It's it could it could compete. 411 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 5: Facts and it's name recognition is there. It's something for everybody, 412 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 5: Like it's the only place I've seen. Well Amazon got 413 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 5: it too. But the old sitcoms like the Jeffersons, the 414 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 5: Good Times, like well the Good Times on Supermarket Sweep 415 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 5: all of that. Yeah, it's super Market Sweek, all those 416 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 5: old shows. So yeah, I do with it. 417 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 2: They got black people. 418 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 3: That's the thing with two B is they came out 419 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 3: the gate kind of catering to black folks that like, 420 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 3: I don't like this word, but like ratchet shit, you know, 421 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 3: because isn't to be the one that had the lady 422 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 3: fuck and the dog and shit. Yeah, So I mean 423 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 3: they came out the gate appealing to the lowest common 424 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 3: denominator of black person, and because of that, black folks 425 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 3: will defend to be like no other. So if two 426 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 3: B continues and gets like cause like Netflix wouldn't get 427 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 3: a show like that because they're too fucking high. 428 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 2: Brow, they're too bougie. But two P will get that 429 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 2: kind of movie. 430 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 3: But then they'll also get, like y'all said, the old 431 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 3: shows that have this nostalgic feel and shit, who knows, 432 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 3: maybe two B has like high quote unquote high quality movies. 433 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 3: I don't know, but I can see two B definitely 434 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 3: getting bigger. It's just that two be's free right now. Also, 435 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 3: I don't know how money that well, that was the 436 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 3: point that I was gonna say, that's the benefit of 437 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 3: it because it is free ninety nine. That's the reason 438 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 3: why I like, you can anybody. You don't have to 439 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 3: pay nothing. You ain't gotta put the I don't know, 440 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 3: you may have to put an email address, but even 441 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 3: then they charge you shit. Like it's like you could 442 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 3: just show up and, like you said, can't watch anything 443 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 3: you want. Yeah, there's gonna be some ads, but shit 444 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 3: is free. Nigga begas can't be choosers. 445 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 6: Right, true man. 446 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 4: So, but yeah, that's that's pretty much all I got 447 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 4: in terms about Netflix. 448 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 2: All Right, any other thoughts? Nah? 449 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 3: No, Like I said, Netflix documentaries solid. A few other 450 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 3: streaming services do documentaries to me as good as Netflix. 451 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 3: Sports documentaries too, because, uh, Mike, I don't know if 452 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 3: you may not, it may be out your wheelhouse, but 453 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 3: that Dallas Cowboys sports documentary I'm watching, it's like it 454 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 3: reminds me like the Last Dance with the MJ documentaries, 455 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 3: Like yeah, you're right, Mike, Like they have a pocket 456 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 3: of documentary. I think them and maybe HBO Max the 457 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 3: only one too that are priority go for documentaries. 458 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, Max has good ones. 459 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 3: But it's always like if I see something pop up 460 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 3: that looks like it's gonna be like the. 461 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 2: Poop Cruise, just random weird shit. 462 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 3: I can't think of any times where I've watched the 463 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 3: Netflix documentary and being like, eh, that was kind of whack. 464 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 3: Usually like that was solid, even if it's a topic 465 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 3: I don't give a fuck about. All right, Well, those 466 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 3: are our thoughts on where we feel Netflix is at 467 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 3: right now. 468 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 2: Please let us know what you guys think. 469 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 3: FPS podcast is the reddit thread that's also I handle 470 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 3: Frigie and Twitter, and we'll catch you on the next conversation. 471 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 6: Yeah. Peace, Peace pea