1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: Casey, we leave for one day and somebody else gets 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: big mad. 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 2: This is true. They were mad that we were here. No, 4 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 2: it's not about that. They were probably happy about that, 5 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 2: but we're not going to forget about it. 6 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: So this is crazy and it is amazing. You know, 7 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,479 Speaker 1: I was talking with somebody about this the other day. 8 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: So many of these political people, and I'm talking about 9 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: not just the politicians, but the people who have for 10 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: back of a lack of a better term, wormed their 11 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: way into the political orbit for a variety of reasons. 12 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: They are not ever used to scrutiny or pushback, and 13 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: when they get scrutiny or pushback, they respond in the 14 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: worst ways possible because they know what's actually up. And 15 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: the system thrives on the rest of you not knowing 16 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: what's up, and when you find out what's up, it 17 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: all sort of falls apart. 18 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 2: So do you want to tell everybody who is big 19 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: Mad that you're referring to. 20 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: It's our old pal Raju shinhala. He is the new 21 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: big Mad. Now real quick to re said, why this 22 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: is important to you and why you need to know. 23 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: I know most of our audience is fully aware, but 24 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: we have new listeners all the time. So Raju Shinhala 25 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: is a Hamilton County businessman. 26 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 3: Who former congressional candidate right. 27 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: Lost badly, But that's beside the point. He is on 28 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: everyone's radar now because of his connection to the Secretary 29 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: of State Diego Morales, both in terms of the mysterious 30 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: what was it was an eighty thousand dollars contract he 31 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: had with the office with Diego's office where we can't 32 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: get a clear answer on what he did for the money, 33 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: and that Raju was on that trip to India with 34 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: the Diego where he was bragging about selling access to 35 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: EB five visas. So you have a guy with a 36 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: state contract who you don't know what he does for 37 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: that money, going to a foreign country with a statewide 38 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: elected official, and while he's there being listed, by the way, 39 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: on one of those Indian groups listed him as a 40 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: senior advisor to Diego Morales. 41 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 3: Yes, that he's. 42 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: Bragging about selling EB five visa access. Oh and by 43 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: the way, we also know a venture capitalist went with 44 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 1: them on the trip. And of course this all stems 45 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: out of Diego the Secretary of State being as shifty 46 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: and shady and untransparent as humanly possible about the whole 47 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: thing and refusing to tell everybody who paid for the trip. 48 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 3: Now, all of. 49 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: This, we've been talking about this for months, but it 50 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: culminated what it was a two days ago where the 51 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: Indie Star did a big expose on this guy, Raju Shinhala, 52 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: on his involvement in this trip to India and on 53 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: this mysterious contract he has with the state and Raju 54 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: instead of acting like a normal person and going you know, 55 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: after four months of this crap from this Morales guy 56 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: and the total lack of transparency with the public at large, 57 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: you know, I can see why everyone's concerned. 58 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 3: I can see why there's red flags. 59 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: I can see the horrible position Diego, my buddy who's 60 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: given me all the money. I can see why people 61 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: would be very pissed off at Diego and why they 62 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: be concerned about my involvement. 63 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 3: You know what I'm gonna do. 64 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna come clean on everything and I'm wonna tell everybody. 65 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 3: Here's who paid for the trip, Here's why. 66 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: I was asked to go. Here's everything I did while 67 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: I'm there. Here's all the receipts. Here the phone wreckers. 68 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: There's to everything, because don't forget he's doing this on 69 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: your time as a taxpayer. 70 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 3: We know he admitted in that article he. 71 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: Did stuff on behalf of the taxpayers, and he's paid 72 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: eight thousand dollars a month for twenty hours of work. 73 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: Eight thousand dollars a month for twenty hours of work 74 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: that we don't know what it is. But instead of 75 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: being a decent human being and saying, I see why 76 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: everyone's pissed off, I see why everyone's concerned. I see 77 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: why the Indie Star is digging. Let me be the 78 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: first to step up and just put all of this 79 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: to bed. No, he does the classic government thing. 80 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 3: I'm a victim exactly. 81 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 2: He said that he was very disappointed by the misleaded 82 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 2: headline presented on the front page of the Indie Star. 83 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,559 Speaker 2: And he goes on to put out a big, long 84 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 2: official statement. 85 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: We always described them here as a Dickens novel. He 86 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: wrote a. 87 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: One Dickens three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine ten 88 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 2: bullet points. 89 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: Ten bullet points of which none of it is anything 90 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: that people care about. Here's what we want to know. 91 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: What do you do for the eight thousand dollars a month? 92 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: What did you do on that this trip, and most importantly, 93 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: who paid for the trip. 94 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 2: He said the story mischaracterizes his work and makes unfounded 95 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: implications despite his full cooperation and transparency throughout. 96 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 3: No Diego has made this Raju. 97 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: Diego has made this a problem for you, and for himself, 98 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: and for all the other people who we've heard aren't 99 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: too happy with Diego who are in his orbit for 100 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: a variety of reasons. Anybody pissed off about this getting covered, 101 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: you need to be pissed off at Diego, because Diego 102 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: did this. Diego knows exactly what's going on. He knows 103 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: exactly why people are upset, and he will not And 104 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: you know, when people won't come clean, Casey, there's usually 105 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: a reason, because whatever's behind that door is way worse 106 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: than the mystery of people just continuing to be mad 107 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: that you won't tell the truth. 108 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 2: He said that he has nothing to hide and he's 109 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 2: going to stand by his record of transparency, integrity, and 110 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 2: ethical public service. He said that his March twenty five 111 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 2: trip to India was primarily a personal visit. However, he 112 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 2: did assist in the planning and coordination of these secretaries 113 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 2: conference attendance, and other various meetings see. 114 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: And now this is the thing that Diego is doing 115 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: too well. At this point, I'm on personal time open 116 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: over here, it's official visits. This is campaign like they 117 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: try to put all of this because it's like they're 118 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: trying to jam a square peg into a round hole. 119 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 3: Because they know they're caught. They know they're caught. 120 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,799 Speaker 1: They know that thanks to us and the Capitol Chronicle 121 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: and the Star and Indie Reporter. They know the public 122 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: is aware. They know the public knows this doesn't smell right, 123 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: and they know whatever the thing they're doing cannot be revealed. 124 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: So now what they're trying to do are these ridiculous 125 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: excuses where they're trying to repeatedly jam square pegs into 126 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: round holes. Raju, you could put all of this to 127 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: rest right now. If Roju called us up and said, 128 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: here's who paid for this trip, here's the proof of 129 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: what they paid for with the receipts that match it. 130 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 1: Here's what I did there, here's my entire itinerary, here's 131 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: what I was doing, Here's what I do for this 132 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: money that I'm given by the taxpayers. All of this 133 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: would go away. But he don't want to do that 134 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: because these guys know they're pulling bull crap and they 135 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: know they can't tell you what's going on because you'll 136 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: be outraged. 137 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: He said that no EB five investments had been secured 138 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: and he didn't receive any financial benefit from Elite EB 139 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 2: five Advisors. 140 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 3: Somebody's running a soup kitchen. He also went on to say, wait, wait, no, no, no, no, no, 141 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 3: go back, go back. 142 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: Can you read the actual statement, because I want to 143 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: make sure that people don't accuse us of this is 144 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: this is very important. 145 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 3: Just read the actual thing if you can. 146 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 2: No EB five investments have been secured and I've not 147 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 2: received any financial benefit from Elite EB five Advisors. 148 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 3: So either. 149 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: So, first of all, he's a crappy salesman, because I 150 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: mean if he went over there and he made a big, 151 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: you know, hullabaloo about it and he didn't get anything done, 152 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: but we're so, what are you running a soup kitchen? 153 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: I mean he was on Facebook promoting this. He was 154 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: on Facebook bragging about it. Everyone's seen the flyer. You 155 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: can't act like you weren't trying to do this thing. 156 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: You can't act like, oh, it's just some casual thing. 157 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: I didn't see any promotion about I'm going to now 158 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: maybe somebody can alert me to it. But I didn't 159 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: see any promotion about I'm gonna be in India helping 160 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: the Secretary of State do blah blah blah blah blah 161 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: blah blah, you know, for the taxpayer money you're getting. 162 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: But I did see a big flyer about how you're 163 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 1: gonna be selling EB five visa access in the same 164 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: city that The Star reported, Diego met with the mayor 165 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: and again, Raju the one of the biggest questions of all, 166 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: how's the venture capital guy factor into all this? If 167 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: you're just mother Teresa, if you're just doing this out 168 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: of the goodness of your heart, if you're just helping 169 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: poor immigrants down on their luck get a better life, 170 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: what's this venture capital guy doing who we know went 171 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 1: on the trip. 172 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: He went on to say that the Secretary of Morales 173 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,239 Speaker 2: was not involved in any EB five related conversations or activities. 174 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 2: I did not discuss EB five visas with him or 175 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 2: his staff. 176 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 3: And ass does anybody believe that you didn't mention it? 177 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 3: All these two. 178 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: Jokers went to a tribunal foreign country together. You're listed 179 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: as a senior advisor, you're bragging that you're there doing 180 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: this well, like when he disappeared, did he was? He 181 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: just like, I'll see in three days, Diego, where are 182 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: you going? 183 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 2: Nah? 184 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 3: And I'm not going to tell you. Does anybody believe that? 185 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: Nobody believes that for a second the Diego didn't know 186 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: where you were going or what you were doing. They 187 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: act like these people are just altruistic, above board individuals. 188 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: This is the same guy Diego who's given the massive 189 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: no bid contracts, which look at the money that's coming 190 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: out about that now and I don't know if we've 191 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: got time to get into that later on in the program, 192 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: given you know, jobs away to family members, buy a 193 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: ninety thousand dollars cars, voting in congressional districts where he doesn't, 194 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: doesn't where he's taking, not taking a home where he's 195 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: taking a homestead credit a different coggressional district. 196 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 3: Than he's voting. 197 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 1: You believe that this guy didn't know for a second 198 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: where you were and what you were doing. 199 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 3: People don't buy any of this. Yeah. 200 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 2: He said that he didn't discuss any of the EB 201 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 2: five visas with the Secretary of State or his staff, 202 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 2: as it was not part of his contract. 203 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 3: And was strictly a separate personal. 204 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 2: Initiative, And he said the individuals that he interacted with 205 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 2: were not clients of the state or the Secretary of 206 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 2: State Joint Office or State of Indiana. How do we know, 207 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 2: right well, we don't know who he was meeting with. 208 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 2: He said, we're discussing is. 209 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: Roj You're going to give me the same excuse Diego 210 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: did when I asked him about that. Why would I 211 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: lie I'm a Christian? That was Diego's excuse to me. 212 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: I said, how do we know? Why would I lie 213 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: I'm a Christian? Because you're a politician and you're dirt ball. 214 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: That's why you'd lie, because we've caught you in bull 215 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: crap about a whole bunch of stuff. 216 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 3: He ends it with thank you for your attention to 217 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 3: this matter. Does he think he's Donald Trump? Can we 218 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 3: just stop with that already? 219 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 2: That's like Donald Trump's line, And if you're been using 220 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 2: it in jest, we've moved on like. 221 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 3: That was That was a month ago, these guys. 222 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: And that's so important, Casey, because whether it's Diego's bizarre 223 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: rant at the Motor Vehicle Board meeting about us where 224 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: it's oh, we're fake news, the fake WIBC, the fake 225 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: indie star, or this thing with Raju where he's basically cutting, copying, 226 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: and pasting a Donald Trump tweet. 227 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 3: These guys think they're Trump. I know they really do. 228 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 3: They want to be in his personal orbit so bad. 229 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: They're cost playing Jen con Is here. We'll talk about 230 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: gen Con in a second. They're costplaying Donald Trump. 231 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 3: You're listening to Kennell and Casey. It is ninety three WIBC. Okay, 232 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 3: we're gonna talk about your driving to work. I just 233 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 3: want to address something real quick though, before we get into that. 234 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I see the people in the YouTube, and I 235 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: see this all the time, especially when we get on 236 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: these politicians, and this, you know, what appears to be 237 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: at the very least time, the unethical behavior could be 238 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: just blatant corruption. You don't know, but like people are, 239 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: like Rob, you're on the brink of a heart attack. 240 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: We're worried about you, Chilla. This is how mad you 241 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: all should be. I'm mad for you. 242 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 3: If we were all. 243 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: As at publicly respond the way I do, these guys 244 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: wouldn't do this. They do it because most people don't 245 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: speak out. 246 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 2: Don't push back, and when someone does push back, they 247 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 2: do not handle it. 248 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, think about this is us in the Star, basically 249 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: in Capitol Chronicle and Indie Report. I mean there's likely 250 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: four right now on this Rajou Diego India topic. There's 251 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: basically four groups that are working on this. And think 252 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 1: about if there were even twenty people doing it. Look 253 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: at how they look at the unhinged responses that we 254 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: get just on four or five groups of people. And 255 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: obviously put Tony in there now because they pissed him off, 256 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: and our news department in there because they pissed them off. 257 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: But like, this is the way everyone needs to I'm 258 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: passionate for your stuff, I'm passionate for your money. I'm 259 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: passionate that you're getting screwed. 260 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 3: So Raju Schinhala. 261 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 2: He said that he was disappointed by the misleading headline 262 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 2: in the Indie Star article. The headline Diego Morales's companion 263 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 2: on India trip promoted EB five. 264 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 3: Visas, which is exactly what he did exactly. How is 265 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 3: that misleading? It's not right. They're not mad that they 266 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 3: did it. 267 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 1: They're mad that they got caught and they haven't been 268 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: getting caught until now. And this is where we talk 269 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: about the idea of like the citizen journalists, like the 270 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: Indie Reporter at Indie Underscore Reporter Underscore. If you want 271 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: to follow them on Twitter, you should. They do so 272 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: much reporting on state and local government. And you know, 273 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: obviously you've got the Capitol Chronicle. I'm Niki Kelly on 274 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: Next Hour. They find and report on things that have 275 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: traditionally not been found or reported on. Obviously, Diego, because 276 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: he has the IQ of a gnat, decided to piss 277 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: off the Indie Star with that stupid rant at the 278 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 1: Motor Vehicle Advisory Board and they were like, Okay, would. 279 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 3: You like to fight? Will fight? Yeah? 280 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: And now your buddy Raju's caught in the crosshairs. You know, 281 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: what's that movie? You want to keep it up? 282 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 3: You know? 283 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: So when I get pissed off about this, I'm pissed 284 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: off for you. I want you to respond the way 285 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: I do, because if more people did this, stuff wouldn't 286 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: be happening. 287 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: You got to really wonder if the Secretary of State, 288 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 2: Diego Morales, went to his friend Raju Chenthal and said, 289 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 2: you got to put out a statement because this really 290 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 2: makes me look bad. 291 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: I am convinced now that the unhinged Diego rant, someone 292 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: who knows who that has quite a bit of power, 293 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: quite a bit of juice. I think told Diego, you're 294 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: making us look bad. You are making us look bad 295 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: because when you look at so many of these people 296 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: that are involved in the Diego orbit, they touch many 297 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: other politicians. Why do you think Todd Rokeita won't do 298 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: anything about it. Mister billy badass goes on it. He 299 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: loves to see himself on Fox News, loves to read 300 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: about himself in the paper. He's the toughest guy in 301 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: the world until it comes to investigating or doing something 302 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: or calling out potential mass government corruption. 303 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 3: You notice he won't say a word about that. Why not? 304 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: Where's Braun? Braun is nowhere to be found. This guy's 305 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: usurping Braun's authority. He's calling himself the Morales administration. Where's 306 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: Todd Houston, Where's Rod Bray, where's the General Assembly. There's 307 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: a reason they won't do anything about it. And as 308 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: we've laid out before, when you look at the money, 309 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: it touches so many of these other people, and they 310 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: know that if the truth gets revealed about what's going 311 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: on with Diego and his little merry band of misfits 312 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: that it's going to make them look really, really bad. 313 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 2: Well, we know one of the no big contracts with 314 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 2: MTX has been given money to all of the state wides. 315 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's talk about your drive into work 316 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: this morning, shall we? 317 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 3: Because do you want to I beat the. 318 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: Rage, the rush maybe a little bit of a yeah, 319 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: by the skin of my teeth. I got here early 320 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: this morning and fortune because I saw it starting to 321 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: happen and I thought, oh, this is not going to 322 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: be good. In about twenty minutes, Yeah, that was me, 323 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: and that was you. 324 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 3: It was me the twenty minutes later. Is it? Which 325 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 3: one is? These are the gen con people, you know. 326 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 2: Well, let's just start it off by reminding everybody that 327 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 2: Washington has this major dtour so Washington Street, Washington Street, 328 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 2: so I had to start off with a ten minute detour. 329 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 3: So one of the only. 330 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: Charm of your I mean, it's a very nice house, 331 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: but I'm saying the one selling point of your house 332 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: outside of the gunshot and firework game, is its proximity 333 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: to the greater downtown area. Like it was a five 334 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: minute trip when you bought it. 335 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 3: Now now it's like twenty but then this. 336 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: Morning, woo gen Con is in town, and they've got records. 337 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 2: There are numbers of people showing up, seventy five thousand 338 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 2: expected to be here. 339 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: So think about this, not only goridlock, basically the bottleneck 340 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: you're creating, not only are like, is almost every street 341 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: either completely closed or almost undriveable in downtown. Now you've 342 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: got all these people that are being choked into areas 343 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: because of street closures and detours. But now there's all 344 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: these people in costumes who are taking their sweet ass 345 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: time to get across the crosswalks and they know, and 346 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: I'm glad gen Con is here and the money it creates. 347 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 3: And blah blah blah. But you people are pretty arrogant. 348 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: And how slowly you walk across the areas that the 349 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: motorists are trying to cross and they know intend't like 350 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: what you do? Run me over, I'm in a transformer costume. 351 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? 352 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 3: Well? How awful? 353 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 2: By the way, does the city look right now with 354 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 2: all of this construction everywhere? And you have all of 355 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 2: these people coming from out of town and it's like, look, hey, 356 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: welcome to Indianapolis. 357 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, like I said, I mean, it's it's just and 358 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: I felt bad for you. I feel especially bad for 359 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 1: you because Washington Street is now a dumpster fire because 360 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: of that stupid blue line. First of all, it's been 361 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: under construction for three years anyway for a bridge that 362 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know why it takes so long 363 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: to build a bridge. It seems like a pretty straightforward process. 364 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: This better be plated in gold when you first drive 365 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: across that thing, maybe it'll glow. And so the charm 366 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: of your house, the one, you know, kind of major 367 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 1: selling point you don't even get to enjoy. 368 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 3: Hey know that one's gone too. 369 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: It takes you longer coming from five minutes out of 370 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: the Greater Downtown area than it does me from Brownsburg. 371 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 3: Yesh, No, maybe I should just sleep in your basement. 372 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 2: So gen Con returned to any for the twenty second year, 373 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 2: drawing tens of thousands. They have five hundred and ninety 374 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 2: exhibitors and nearly thirty thousand gaming events that are taking 375 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 2: places around the clock. Seventy five thousand people expected to 376 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 2: come in and it has been sold out. And guess 377 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 2: what gen Con twenty six scheduled for July thirtieth to 378 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 2: August second. I thought, yeah, Yeah, they weren't coming here. 379 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:07,719 Speaker 3: That's right. 380 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: Well, we've been told twice they weren't coming anymore. I 381 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: think one when the riff for a thing happened, right, 382 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 1: and then the abortion thing. I thought both times they said. 383 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 3: We're out of here, out of here, yeah, but then 384 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 3: we're here, and then they're here. We're still here. Yeah. 385 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 1: It's almost like they just they choose casey this as well. 386 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: It's almost like they choose places to have conventions based 387 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: on incentives, ease of access, proximity to the for many 388 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,719 Speaker 1: of your patrons. It's almost like the politics doesn't have 389 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: anything to do with how they actually choose where to 390 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: put up. 391 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 3: On I don't know about the ease of access right now. Well, 392 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 3: I'm saying instruction in. 393 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: Terms of the like the Midwest, like it's in the 394 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: center of the country. Normally on paper, Indianapolis does a 395 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: good job with the events, of course, obviously, like we said, uh, yeah, okay, 396 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: what are we doing next, what's going on? 397 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 2: Oh well, we've got to talk about the tariffs on Canada. 398 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 2: It's August first, many of them are supposed to be 399 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 2: starting today. 400 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 3: It's tariff days. 401 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 2: Okay, August first, and you're listening to Kettle and Casey, 402 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 2: it's ninety three WIBC. 403 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 3: Okay, so people are putting this on Twitter. You're the. 404 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 1: You're the entertainment expert here on the Kennel and Casey Show. 405 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 3: I'm rob that's Casey that it. 406 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: Was forty four years ago today that MTV played the 407 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: first music video. 408 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 3: Yep, that's true. 409 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 2: They launched at twelve oh one and they said Ladies 410 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 2: and gentlemen rock and roll. 411 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 3: Eh Anna Nana Nana. 412 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was video Killed the Radio Star from 413 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 1: the Buggles, yep, first video they played. 414 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 3: Do you remember this? 415 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 2: I absolutely remember this. I remember rushing home from school 416 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 2: to watch it. 417 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: So you were you were in person when they played 418 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: the first video on MTV. 419 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 420 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 2: Now I didn't see it when it came on, but 421 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 2: when I got from school, you know, yeah, it was 422 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 2: the thing. 423 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 3: Everybody was very excited about. 424 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: It kind of walk some of our younger people know. 425 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: Many of our audience will of course remember this. But 426 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: like the younger people, I don't think they understand how 427 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: influential MTV, say, early eighties, from really its inception through 428 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 1: I don't know what, probably the late nineties, how influential 429 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 1: MTV actually was, and the music video itself was in 430 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: launching either the careers of people or songs. There are 431 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: certain songs that the video made the song. The video 432 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: was the reason the song became popular. I think about 433 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: a song like Stacy's Mom now that was early two thousands, 434 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 1: but Fountains of Wayne, you know, or the Peter Gabriel 435 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: Sledgehammer that those are things where the video was bigger 436 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: than the song itself. 437 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 2: So there were a lot of bands that they had 438 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 2: this video and so MTV would play it over and 439 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 2: over again. Had it not been for MTV, people would 440 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 2: have never heard the music. Yeah, but it was because 441 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 2: they had the video, and they didn't have a lot 442 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 2: of videos, so the ones they did have they just 443 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 2: played repeatedly over and over again. And then over the years, 444 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 2: artists started putting a lot of money into making videos. 445 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 3: I mean you look at Michael Jackson for example. 446 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 2: You know, he was one of those people who would, oh, yeah, no, 447 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 2: we have to invest money. 448 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 3: Into video because that's what the kids are watching. 449 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 2: But I think of like Madness Our House and Tommy 450 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 2: twotone and Duran Duran Rio. I mean, I know they 451 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 2: said that they wanted it to look like it was 452 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 2: a Bond movie when they made the video for Rio 453 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 2: and there they were on the boat. 454 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 3: And you think about so like. 455 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 1: My generation, where obviously I grew up with MTV, I was, 456 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 1: you know, a kid of the nineties, but to me 457 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: in a pre especially in a pre Internet era or 458 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: an era in the early days of the Internet, which 459 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 1: would have been junior high in high school for me, 460 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: the primitive sort of years of the Internet or so, 461 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 1: there's no social media, there's no all of these things. 462 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 3: The only visuals you had. 463 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 1: Of some of these obscure kind of one hit Wonder 464 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: People was the video like Dexy's Midnight Runners where you 465 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: mentioned Madness. 466 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 3: Of Our House. 467 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: These were like colossal songs, but because they didn't follow 468 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: them up, you know, with mega hits, so they're not 469 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: actively on tour, they're not coming soon to a town 470 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 1: near you. By the time I had entered junior high 471 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: in high school, we're fifteen to twenty years on of these, 472 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 1: which when you're that young, it seems like forever ago. 473 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: Twenty years seems like yesterd mean, two thousand and five 474 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: seems like it was yesterday to me now. But for 475 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: someone my age, the replays of those videos which would 476 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: happen basically on an MTV in a no YouTube, no Facebook, 477 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: no Twitter, no Google era or early Google era. MTV 478 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: was still a link to the past and making it 479 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: somewhat a prevalent part of the present because they would 480 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: still play a lot of those old things and the 481 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: only glimpse you had into a world that was Yeah. 482 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 2: I just remember that there were a lot of artists 483 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 2: who were getting play on MTV that you probably would 484 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 2: have never known. 485 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 3: Like youtobe is an example. 486 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 2: They start like Sunday Bloody Sunday, and some of their 487 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 2: very early videos like they may not have made it 488 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 2: into the mainstream lexicon had it not been for MTV 489 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 2: finding their video and they needed to play something. So 490 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 2: a lot of these bands were getting all of this 491 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 2: play that had it not been for MTV, they wouldn't have. 492 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 3: Isn't it weird? How time? 493 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 1: I remember my parents telling me this when I was 494 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: a kid, and it's absolutely become true, like how time 495 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 1: is all basically relevant to the years and the life 496 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 1: you have lived. Like hell, when I was a kid, 497 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 1: I remember distinctly going to see The Wedding Singer, which 498 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: is an Adam Sandler movie in the theater in In fact, 499 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: I remember the day I went Valentine's Day nineteen ninety eight. 500 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 1: I remember going with my buddies to go see it 501 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: in the eighth grade. And that movie is set in 502 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: the mid nineteen eighties, so all the music he's a 503 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: wedding singer in the nineteen eighties. It's a hilarious movie. 504 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: It's one of his best movies, but all the music 505 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: is from that period. 506 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 3: And I remember that would have been you. 507 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: Know, between say thirteen and twenty year, thirteen and fifteen 508 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: in most cases, thirteen to fifteen years to when I 509 00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: was seeing in the theater, and it was like, oh, 510 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, that was so long ago. I can't 511 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: even imagine what life was like back then. Well, it's 512 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: equivalent today of saying something that happened in twenty ten 513 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 1: or twenty twelve, twenty ten or twenty twelve seems like 514 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: yesterday to me, and so I am absolutely seeing that 515 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 1: play out in real time. That time itself is relevant 516 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: and the things in it to the life and the 517 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: years you have lived. 518 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 2: I think one of the things that MTV did it 519 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 2: really changed the way people well clearly it changed the 520 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 2: way people thought of music. Because you would have radio 521 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 2: stations getting music requested based. 522 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 3: On what the kids saw on the TV, where that 523 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 3: had never happened before. 524 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you were able to see the artists visually 525 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 2: in ways that you never did before. I mean, yeah, 526 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 2: you had pictures, you had album covers, but here they 527 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 2: are dancing and in costume, lip syncing the song, and 528 00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 2: it just presented their form of entertainment in a whole 529 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 2: new way. And it really it really changed the culture, 530 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 2: the celebrity, the attention span of people. 531 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: Great point because pre MTV, now there were CD well no, 532 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: there were not CDs. 533 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 3: Pre MTV. People you put a record on you had 534 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 3: eight tracks still in nineteen eighty one. 535 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's pretty wild, isn't it. Yeah, all right, 536 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 1: so let's take a break. You and I went on 537 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: a little day trip yesterday and I saw some very 538 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 1: interesting things about our society that I would like to 539 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: just do. 540 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 3: Au Well. 541 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: I you know, I'm just an old man who yells 542 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: at clouds now, but I did. I did observe. Kat 543 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: Stevens once did a song though it was it somewhere 544 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: the children play, and like I saw it, I saw 545 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: it play out in real time yesterday. Life is but 546 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 1: a Harry Chapin song and we'll talk about it next. 547 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 3: It's Kendallly Casey on ninety three WIBC. I know would 548 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 3: have come along with change in day today. But tell 549 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 3: me where did the children believe? 550 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: That's a great question, Casey, Kat Stevens is about fifty 551 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: years ahead of the curve. 552 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 3: Where do the children play? 553 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: And that's the thing I found myself asking yesterday. Yeah, 554 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: so we went on you and I not together, but 555 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 1: well we ended up meeting up together, but we went 556 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: on a little, a little road trip. Your husband is 557 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: a is into the world of sports collectibles. And so 558 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: the National Sports Collector's Convention was yesterday. 559 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 3: All it's all week in uh In, uh just. 560 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: Outside of Chicago and by Rosemont, and it's a for 561 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: those of you are not aware obviously, the sports collector's 562 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: industry is this just multi billion dollar industry at this 563 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,719 Speaker 1: point and every year hundreds thousands of people gather at 564 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: whatever city they're having this thing in and it is 565 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: the super Bowl of sports collecting. Now, I don't collect 566 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: anything anymore, and I enjoy, but I do enjoy the 567 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: unbridled enthusiasm or what I used to consider the unbridled 568 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: enthusiasm of collecting. And so I wanted to see your 569 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: husband because he is very into the into the collecting 570 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: and the magazines primarily is when he deals with his 571 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: sports magazines. And I said, I want to see him 572 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: on full display in his element, and I just want 573 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: to go watch and see all of these people interact, 574 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: you know, in one setting. And by the way, your 575 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: husband is a rock star, Casey, I'm not kidding. I 576 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: watched people wait to shake his hand and to get 577 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: photos with him and and talk to him, and. 578 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 3: People were buy his work. And it was like I. 579 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: Was standing there with Elvis, and he is the Elvis 580 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: of sports magazine. 581 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 3: That is a good job. You should be very proud. 582 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: But what was interesting to me, So you know, you're 583 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: it's like this massive convention center and there's numerous rooms 584 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: and there's probably thousands of dealers. 585 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 3: Were expecting one hundred thousand people. Oh my gosh. 586 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: And by the way, the trap, I mean just the 587 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: traffic it was not great. Wow, But the event itself, 588 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: and I would encourage everybody to go at some point, 589 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: just go see the spectacle. Now, unless you're really into collectibles, 590 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: once you've seen it once, you're good. You're gonna be good, 591 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 1: because I mean, it is a whatever is going to 592 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: go down the street at gen Con, it will not 593 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: I can't imagine pales in comparison to. 594 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 3: What we saw yesterday. 595 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: And by the way, History was probably one of the 596 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: slower days because it's Friday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, the weekend, whatever. 597 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: But one of the things that stood out to me, 598 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: I mean, there's this incredible amount if it's like going 599 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: to the Baseball Hall of Fame or you know, it's 600 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: like all these Hall of Fames in one Baseball the Fame, 601 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame basket. There's all these vintage, you know, 602 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: one of a kind stuff. 603 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 2: But what's the nave athletes they are signing autographs like 604 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 2: I believe it's on Saturday, Dennis Rodman, Oh yeah, this 605 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 2: is going to be their signing autographs. 606 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 3: And the people there. 607 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: Were super nice. It was easy as a member of 608 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: the media. They were great to get in get our paste, 609 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: you know, for us. Once you can get into the 610 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: thing itself, it was wonderfully run. But it is just 611 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: so overwhelming now. And what was interesting to me is 612 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: all the kids who now are treating this thing like 613 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: a business. Yeah, Like they're walking around Casey with these 614 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: metal briefcases, like these bullet proof. 615 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 3: I'm talking kids, I'm talking like twelve year olds. Yeah, 616 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 3: they've got their cards in there, don't they And. 617 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: Everything is on their phone and everything they do, they 618 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: open it up and they're like engaging in commerce with 619 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: adult But there's not. 620 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 3: And again, I know I'm going to sound like an 621 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 3: old man who yells at clouds. 622 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 1: When we were kids, it was the idea that you 623 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: paid a dollar for a pack of cards, and it 624 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: was the thrill of going to your local card shop 625 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: and the idea of buying the thing and then opening 626 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: the thing and then going home and then trading with 627 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: your friends. I saw very little trading with my friends there. No, 628 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: it was it was a business deal. And I didn't 629 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: know how to hand I didn't know how to deal 630 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: with that. I didn't know how to handle that. Like, 631 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: am I a rotten person for saying for kids, that's 632 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: not how it's supposed to be. 633 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well it just shows how much that has changed 634 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 2: and evolved because you had gone what about ten years ago? 635 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 3: Ten years ago was the last time I went, Yes. 636 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 2: And so you're going back a decade later and you're 637 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 2: seeing just how much bigger it is, how many more 638 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 2: people are involved, and their attitude towards it. 639 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 3: And that's one of the things with Jim. 640 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 2: When he started getting into it, he had an old 641 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 2: box of Sports Illustrated from when he was thirteen. 642 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 3: You know, and they had been in a box. We 643 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 3: had moved that box multiple. 644 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 2: Times with us over the years, and finally during COVID 645 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 2: he was kind of going through some stuff, like many 646 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 2: people were found that old box a Sports Illustrated and 647 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 2: was like, oh gosh. 648 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 3: I remember that. Yeah, that was one of my favorites. 649 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,479 Speaker 3: That's why I saved it. Or it had Michael Jordan 650 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 3: on the cover. 651 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 2: He was a big Michael Jordan fan, and so he said, 652 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 2: I'm gonna try and get all of the Michael. 653 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 3: Jordan's Sports Illustrated covers. But then it just kept. 654 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 2: Going and going, and now it's become a business for 655 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 2: him and he restores magazines for other people who take 656 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 2: those magazines to this convention and try to get the 657 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 2: best deal. Who wants this pristine condition magazine or baseball card, 658 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 2: but they're doing it to turn a buck. He talks 659 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 2: about it how he still loves the art on the 660 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 2: cover of the magazine or the athlete and what they 661 00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 2: were doing in their life. I mean, you can tell, 662 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 2: well he still has a passion for. 663 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 3: The actual product. Sure it's not just about the dollar, 664 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 3: but for many of those kids there, it's about the buck. 665 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 2: Well. 666 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,879 Speaker 1: And I told you this story at dinner yesterday that 667 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: you know, there's this one stand that has all this 668 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,240 Speaker 1: guy has all these magazines and they're they're you know, graded, 669 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: and they are all very nice. And so I asked him, 670 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 1: I said, well, like, did you do any work for 671 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: this guy? And he goes, I did all the work 672 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: for this guy. And I'm like really, it's like, oh yeah, 673 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: every magazine in this place, and these people are loving 674 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: these man like they're like, oh this is so great 675 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: a blah blah blah. I was like, they're buying your work, dude, 676 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 1: like you are the date. I mean, the david that 677 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 1: the magazine has value because it's a collectible. But the 678 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,359 Speaker 1: way sports magazines work, you can press them, you can 679 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: you can clean them up, et cetera. And that's fine, 680 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: Like that's a legitimate practice in that industry. And I'm like, 681 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: they're buying your work like you are giving the people 682 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: these happiness. 683 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 2: Did you notice all of the guys walking around with backpacks? Oh? 684 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 1: Yes, And so what's so weird for me is again 685 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 1: like I don't collect anything. I just went to see 686 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: the spectacle. But there were when I was a kid, 687 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: I remember getting these magazines of these baseball car dealers 688 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: and they were like larger than life. They would advertise 689 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: in these magazines, and as a kid, you were like, 690 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 1: it'd be cool to be that guy. Many of them 691 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: have sadly passed on, but there are a few of 692 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: them that were still there, And like I was trying 693 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: to find those people and just watch them. Like one 694 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: of these guys, a very famous guy from Hawaii's got 695 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,919 Speaker 1: to be in his eighties now, and I found him 696 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: and he was buying a collection from a guy and like, 697 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: I just sat there and watched him buy this guy's collection, 698 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: and it was like, must have been what it was 699 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 1: like to watch David paint, you know, make a painting 700 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: or something. But I did, Like, again, I love the 701 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 1: kids are into a hobby. I loaned the kids have 702 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: things to do, biolcats. I'm not saying like these are 703 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: nefarious future criminals out running around. I'm not saying anything 704 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: about that at all. There's nothing wrong with it other 705 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 1: than I don't know. 706 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 2: It just it's not the same as just opening up 707 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,439 Speaker 2: the package, Yeah, Spug cards and getting that stale stick 708 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 2: of bubble gum. Yeah, rifling through and yeah I got 709 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 2: this guy. I got this guy. Now, it's all about 710 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 2: which card is worth the most money, and. 711 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 3: That's the transaction. 712 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 1: The transaction isn't like, hey, you got three cards I 713 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,879 Speaker 1: want and you got one I really want. Hey, it's 714 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,399 Speaker 1: close enough in value that maybe you're getting a little 715 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,320 Speaker 1: over on me this time, or maybe I'm getting a 716 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 1: little over on you. But you know that'll reverse in 717 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: the future because we trade every day, these these kids. 718 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: It's like dollar for dollar, man, And. 719 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,479 Speaker 2: It's all about the brand card. And well, you found 720 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 2: the the Wagner cards. 721 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 3: I did. 722 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 1: I did my whole the other quest I had in 723 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: addition to seeing these people I saw as a kid, 724 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 1: because you know me, I could be mistet nostalgia about 725 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 1: a bowel movement, right, So it's all like me, it's 726 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,840 Speaker 1: all about the past finding these guys, and I found 727 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,400 Speaker 1: most of them. But the most famous baseball card in 728 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: the world is a Honess Wagner Tito six card. It's 729 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: worth several million dollars. There's only about sixty in existence. 730 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 1: And I said, there's got to be a Wagner at 731 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:57,479 Speaker 1: this thing. 732 00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 3: It's this, you know. 733 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: And finally it took me about four hours. I found 734 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 1: a Wagner. 735 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 3: Guy was selling it. It was a large auction house 736 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 3: that will be selling it. And you offered to buy it. 737 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: I offered sixty three dollars and they did not did 738 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,359 Speaker 1: not accept my own along. But anyway, that was super fun, 739 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 1: and I like, your husband is a celebrity. 740 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 3: So you've just got to face the facts. 741 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: That in the in the then the uh, the nerd community, 742 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 1: he is the top, he's the top guy, king of 743 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 1: the nerds. He's But anyway, everybody should totally go to 744 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: that thing, just for the one time, the National Sports 745 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:32,360 Speaker 1: Collector Convention. 746 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 3: Just it's a life event. Do it. You don't have 747 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 3: to buy anything, like me and I. 748 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 1: Walked out with nothing. It's the site, it's the sounds, 749 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: it's the people. They've got entertainment of all sorts of 750 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:41,839 Speaker 1: It is a great time. 751 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 2: You're listening to Kendall and Casey. It is ninety three 752 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:45,399 Speaker 2: WIBC