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Speaker 3: A purpose, Yes, Nie, what's the news? What's going on?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Knie yeah? Ni yeah. So we light the green

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Speaker 3: You are right?

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Speaker 1: And it makes you reflect to That's why the Nguzusaba

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Speaker 1: But it's a message. There's more to it than that.

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Speaker 2: Well, meanwhile, the Trump administration plans deep cuts to Social

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Speaker 1: Every time I hear that Trump does something that impacts

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Speaker 2: Until you're saying, don't be subprise that he actually.

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Speaker 2: All you know another other words, I'm sorry he says,

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Speaker 2: Well, they say this rule will likely cause disproportionate harm

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Speaker 2: Like a matador, you see red. The proposed rule drafted

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Speaker 1: Like I said, Kevin, it's not a you seem shocked,

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Speaker 2: He's only electric this morning.

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Speaker 5: He all.

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Speaker 6: Grand Rising, My brother Grand Rasin. I tell you you,

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Speaker 6: What he's doing Bushes.

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Speaker 7: They're all trying to go out to these league see

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Speaker 7: He couldn't stand it. So what y'all think? Y'all think

435
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Speaker 7: he's doing something with it. It's gonna get rid of it?

436
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Speaker 5: What?

437
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Speaker 3: All right? Thanks? Mark? Rep your thoughts. I R S.

438
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Speaker 6: Well, he's here and here to here's the plans. See,

439
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Speaker 6: he calls himself when he ain't getting rid of the

440
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Speaker 6: I R S. See the little people think he's throwing

441
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Speaker 6: them a boom, but not so. It's for the bellionaires

442
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Speaker 6: to make sure that they don't ever be taxed again.

443
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Speaker 6: The plan is to find a way how the billionaires

444
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Speaker 6: don't have to be taxed and that's what they're you know, basement.

445
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Speaker 6: You look at it, uh directly, you could see exactly

446
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Speaker 6: what what they're saying that you know, that's that's huge

447
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 6: the I R S when it comes to the billionaire,

448
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 6: you know, they don't they don't pay they share, but

449
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Speaker 6: they do pay tax. But they're gonna they want to

450
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Speaker 6: put them in the position where they don't have to

451
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Speaker 6: pay nothing. This is this is this is this is

452
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Speaker 6: housing system is being built, is built from from it's

453
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Speaker 6: top heavy, you know, and and and it's to me,

454
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Speaker 6: it's shameful and disgraceful. And I'm always thinking that we

455
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Speaker 6: as as a group of people, they they keep us going.

456
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Speaker 6: You see, you got you got the one percent just

457
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Speaker 6: by controlling the whole world. You got four percent that

458
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Speaker 6: are puppet. Ninety are sleep guys know what is going on,

459
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Speaker 6: and they're trying to wake up the rest the one percent.

460
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Speaker 6: They want to five percent to get out of here

461
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Speaker 6: and wake up the ninety percent. Well, don't want them

462
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Speaker 6: to work out the ninety ninety percent. But the point

463
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Speaker 6: is we got to get better as as as a

464
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Speaker 6: as a group. And and and we we we need

465
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Speaker 6: something white folks too. You know, all white folks ain't bad.

466
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Speaker 6: And you know some of them are gonna be a

467
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Speaker 6: thing by this tooth them boys from the Affalatian mountains

468
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Speaker 6: and and and and then put them poor white they

469
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Speaker 6: need to sit down and analyze their position. So right

470
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 6: now they're taking a busy just like black folks. It's

471
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Speaker 6: shameful in the and and let me say this too, also,

472
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Speaker 6: he's here on he hit on something that was good.

473
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Speaker 6: We've been having problem with dead bodies here. They found

474
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Speaker 6: they found in the lake here, and they always said

475
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Speaker 6: there was uh uh no foul play. Uh we Uh.

476
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Speaker 6: This white boy named Michael hoy he he he he

477
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Speaker 6: was uh he worked in the church and he tried

478
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Speaker 6: to rape and killed this black guy. I may have

479
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Speaker 6: told this before on this rail state. We believe that

480
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Speaker 6: he's a serial killer here and uh, but the point

481
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Speaker 6: is he's a friend of the of the sheriff's probing

482
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Speaker 6: and elect officials, so they don't push it, you see.

483
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Speaker 6: And and and that's the thing with me. I know

484
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 6: we want to talk about some but I just want

485
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Speaker 6: to throw that in because people need to know that

486
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 6: our black birds and sisters are being killed all over

487
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 6: over the country, and nobody is really talking about you

488
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 6: can't get the news VideA. If they find somebody in

489
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 6: the late first thing they said, he drowned. That's the

490
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Speaker 6: first thing he come out of the mouth. He driven,

491
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Speaker 6: you know, and I have said this before. They's not

492
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Speaker 6: one guy with waiting on his legs. He drowned. And

493
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 6: now how could that be shot who waits on his legs?

494
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Speaker 6: But that's some important anyway, let me get back your trunk.

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Speaker 5: I'm saying.

496
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Speaker 6: I wanted to just throw that in the No.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, no nov thank you for sharing that with us,

498
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 1: because you know, in Houston, except in double digits, and

499
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: they still are still being unreported. And once it's on report,

500
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Speaker 1: like you mentioned in Bedon Harbor, nobody's investigating. It's just

501
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: it's just another you know, just file thirteen, you know,

502
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Speaker 1: for the for the law enforcement folks.

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Speaker 3: But go ahead and finish your first And you got.

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Speaker 6: To listen to the termed the words that white were used.

505
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Speaker 6: They they're you know, somebody was found in the river

506
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Speaker 6: here with weights on his leg and they said, no

507
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 6: foul play. This guy, uh, I said, named Bulldog. They

508
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 6: found him in the river and he had he had

509
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 6: a braid and his braid and pinions were cut off

510
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 6: and they said, no foul play, you know. And and

511
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 6: this is what what's happening today. This is this is

512
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 6: this thing to everything that's happening with this Trump administration.

513
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 6: You see, they're trying to downplay us, and you got

514
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 6: some of us who actually working with them, the black community,

515
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 6: and people don't take a stand on this. I'm I'm

516
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Speaker 6: I'm telling you this thing gonna get worth for black people.

517
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Speaker 5: You don't.

518
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 6: You're gonna you're gonna find black people everywhere because one

519
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 6: thing we do do we live for today and we

520
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 6: pray for tomorrow. That is not a winning former, you see.

521
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 6: That is not a win informer. Because they got a system,

522
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,719
Speaker 6: they got something down the road. They might have something.

523
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Speaker 1: Hold that thought right there, twenty six away from the

524
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Speaker 1: top of the family, just checking in, Reverend Ed Pinney

525
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Speaker 1: from Bench and Harmon, Michigan is realist. You just said

526
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Speaker 1: something profound as a minister, you know, the man of

527
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Speaker 1: the cloth, the God. You're saying, we pray for today, Well,

528
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: the other folks are doing something else.

529
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Speaker 6: Can we do we live for today and we pray

530
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Speaker 6: for tomorrow.

531
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Speaker 5: Recover.

532
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Speaker 6: But what they do they plan for tomorrow.

533
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Speaker 8: You see.

534
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Speaker 6: See that's that's the formula that they've been using for

535
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Speaker 6: years and and and we don't have that capability. We

536
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 6: we don't have the resources to uh because we're always

537
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 6: in a survival move. We're in survival mold. We and

538
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 6: so you know, everything is is survival. We our children,

539
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 6: feeding our children, you know, and and as difficult as it,

540
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 6: you know it is, you know, we usually manage to

541
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Speaker 6: feed our children on that day. Now we got to

542
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 6: play on what we're gonna do tomorrow to see our children.

543
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 6: And this is what's happening today. This is this is

544
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 6: where we at a call because uh and this is

545
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Speaker 6: our system that we that we use. That's that's not

546
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 6: a work or not everybody. Now you know, some people,

547
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 6: you know they you know, they they got it made

548
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 6: in some but it's not enough of us to rely

549
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 6: on planning. Let's sit here and playing, let's let's do this.

550
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 6: Let's let's go buy four five grocery stores. You see,

551
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 6: we were not We don't we don't have that ability

552
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 6: to go out and do it because of the uh,

553
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 6: the banks and stuff like that. They select who they're

554
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Speaker 6: gonna allow to do what here. We know we only

555
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 6: had one store that's owned by a black person. One store,

556
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Speaker 6: and that's you know, to me, that's a shame we had.

557
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 6: We had we had pro basketball players, uh from this community,

558
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 6: and what you find they don't believe in building like that.

559
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 6: You know, it's unfortunate. We got to get better cars,

560
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 6: we got to get better and we got to come

561
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 6: up with a former that we should use all around

562
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Speaker 6: the country. Then we don't do it, we're in trouble.

563
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and hold that thought there. We got to check

564
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: the news in the market in Baltimore City wants to

565
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: speak with you. Family, just picking up on us. Reverend

566
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Speaker 1: Pinckney's I guess he's activists pastor out in Benton Harbor, Michigan.

567
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: He started his crusade again getting clean water for the

568
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Speaker 1: residents of Bench and Harber, predominantly black town. They still

569
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Speaker 1: don't have clean water in Bench and Hoppin. He's still

570
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Speaker 1: on the case. But we're talking about this one is

571
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. What are your thoughts? You want to

572
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: join the conversation, reach out to us at eight hundred

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Speaker 1: four five zero seventy eight seventy six. We'll take the

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Speaker 1: phone calls. That's we check the news, trafficking weather in

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Speaker 1: our different cities. That's next, and Grand Rising family, thanks

576
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: for waking up with us on this Tuesday morning. Our

577
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Speaker 1: guest is Reverend Edward Pinckney. Reverend Pinckney is an activist

578
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Speaker 1: out of Benton Harbor, Michigan. They're finding to get clean

579
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Speaker 1: water for the residents of that predominant black city. Before

580
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Speaker 1: we go back to let me just remind you come

581
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Speaker 1: up later this morning, I'm going to speak with the

582
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Speaker 1: Pan African critical thinking expert, doctor David Horn. Before we

583
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Speaker 1: hear from doctor Horn, retired college professor, I'm and Ras

584
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: going to join us. And later this week you're going

585
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: to hear from Grio doctor James Small and also Public

586
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: Enemies Minister of Information, Professor Griff will be here. So

587
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: if you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep you ready,

588
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: locked and tight on ten ten WLB or if you're

589
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: in the DMV, we're on fourteen fifty WOL. All right,

590
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: Rev Mark in Baltimore has a question for you? Or

591
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: comedy is online? Three Grand Rise in Mark, Barry Ghani,

592
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: you're on with Reverend Pinckney.

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Speaker 4: Yes, the Good Morning shall I'm a relation all you

594
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Speaker 4: is a happy quantity. Today is state five of the

595
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Speaker 4: Seven day Festival. Today's famous Nia. I'm part of a

596
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 4: Jewish community here where sort of like the people who

597
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 4: are fighting for survival as well, along with the African

598
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 4: American community. And our concern is this.

599
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Speaker 5: Right?

600
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 4: Recently as the fore right has tried to name a

601
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Speaker 4: certain building performing arts center after the leader of this

602
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 4: country illegitimately. I know this legislation has been introduced in

603
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Speaker 4: Congress by two Democratic representatives to try to prevent something

604
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Speaker 4: being named on someone still alive. Another thing is that

605
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Speaker 4: refuse to recognize the both Martin Luther King and June

606
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Speaker 4: Teep as far as having free passes to the National

607
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Speaker 4: Park system. My question is is there going to be

608
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Speaker 4: an attempt to name holiday after Charlie Kirk or are

609
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 4: they going to try to dismantles of Martin Luther King

610
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Speaker 4: Holiday next month? Or what are they going to do

611
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 4: with the holidays and the building namings. This is what

612
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 4: willly concerns us. Without the will of people being involved,

613
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 4: what do you think is going to happen?

614
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Speaker 6: Well, there's something that's going to happen. Trump is going

615
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 6: to put his name on as many obviists as possible,

616
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 6: because what he do, he's strong on the people. Either

617
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 6: you do what I've trained, or we come after you

618
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 6: because you've got the power. This is what he do.

619
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Speaker 6: And when you think about Martin Luther King's birthday, if

620
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 6: he can, he's going to try to eliminate that completely.

621
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Speaker 6: June Kenth, He's going to try to eliminate these days,

622
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Speaker 6: anything that that that uh that has to do with

623
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 6: black folks, anything, He's going to try to eliminate and

624
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 6: try to put his name on everything. I was listening

625
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 6: to Jimmy Kimmel last night and he was talking. He

626
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 6: put he put in platts in the in the White House,

627
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 6: uh to saying things against Biden and Obama. You see,

628
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 6: this is the way he attacks people. This is how

629
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 6: he's attacking. He won't build himself up. He in reality,

630
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 6: Trump is nothing. He's the president of the most powerful

631
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 6: country in the world, and he's he's workless and we

632
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 6: keep giving him power. He he asked they had that

633
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 6: on sixty minutes. They was gonna add this business about

634
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 6: about the about the immigrants being put in these cages.

635
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 6: He's he had his people to call them and they

636
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 6: took it off the air. They would not allow us

637
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 6: it to be played. You see, he didn't know he

638
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 6: got the power. He didn't know that he got the

639
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 6: power to do these things. He's going to try to

640
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 6: eliminate anything that has black in front of it. If

641
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 6: he can find a way to neutralize us financially, he's

642
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 6: gonna do it. And he's gonna attack anything anything standing

643
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 6: this way because it's all about the being there. It

644
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 6: ain't even about his people, his voters. It's about the

645
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 6: being there and what we have to do. We have

646
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 6: to show him. People have to come out that No,

647
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Speaker 6: Kenny Day was was great. I love that. You know

648
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 6: what we got. We gotta keep that taste up. We

649
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Speaker 6: gotta make sure he understands because he don't like people

650
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Speaker 6: talking about him, and tell him the truth. You know,

651
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Speaker 6: this is I never saw stuff like this. When did

652
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Speaker 6: alive become the truth and the truth become alive, When

653
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Speaker 6: the good become evil and evil is good? This is

654
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Speaker 6: where we are today. Anytime that you willing and in

655
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Speaker 6: his sides sight, everybody know you. You know you you

656
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 6: just here and he's gonna do everything in his power

657
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 6: to neutralize black folks and trying to destroy black people

658
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Speaker 6: because that's what this thing is put together, is trying

659
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Speaker 6: to do well.

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Speaker 1: I'm here minutes away from the tape Ira. I just

661
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Speaker 1: let me share this story with you. This is breaking

662
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Speaker 1: today about what happened in the Netherlands, Holland the U.

663
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Speaker 1: S Melty troops of the cemetery there. Our troops are

664
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Speaker 1: buried there anymore. Many of those troops who liberated Europe

665
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: from the Nazis were black that were on the front line.

666
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: So they made up two plaques, you know, sharing the

667
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Speaker 1: accomplishments of our black troops who died at that cemetery

668
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Speaker 1: and what happened. Because of pressure from Washington, they took

669
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Speaker 1: those plaques down so that you know, there's nothing special

670
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Speaker 1: about what our black troops did to liberate the Nazis

671
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Speaker 1: in Holland. The Dutch people took it down after, you know,

672
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: because they heard that Donald Trump talked about dismandling diversity,

673
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: equity and inclusion programs and what he spoke to what

674
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Speaker 1: he said to Congress said our country will be woke

675
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Speaker 1: no longer. But the Dutch interpreted that well, they didn't

676
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Speaker 1: want to upset Donald Trump. So those plaques that honored

677
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Speaker 1: our black soldiers who freed Europe from the Nazis. We

678
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Speaker 1: were in the forefront of all these wars, if you

679
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Speaker 1: don't know, And Kevin had to look that up and

680
00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: I told them they always put us on the front line.

681
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Speaker 1: So because of what the role of our troops day

682
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Speaker 1: they made, they honored them with two plaques at the cemetery,

683
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Speaker 1: and the Dutch people took it down because the Diny

684
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Speaker 1: want to upset Donald Trump. That's he was just breaking

685
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Speaker 1: this morning, ten minutes away for the top day our family.

686
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Speaker 3: Rev.

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Speaker 1: Like you said, the smaller goes goes after the smaller countries.

688
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: But Cliff in Connecticut at wants to join the conversation.

689
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Speaker 3: Rev.

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Speaker 1: He's online too, Grand Rising Cliff, and Abari Gania and

691
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Speaker 1: Reverend Pinckney'd.

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Speaker 9: Beques to you, Brother Carl ran Rising to you and

693
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Speaker 9: to the Rev.

694
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Speaker 5: And Rev.

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Speaker 9: I just need your help on this, and also Brother Carl,

696
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Speaker 9: if you can help weighing on this as well. It's

697
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 9: obvious to what you're saying in terms of the black

698
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 9: community and black people is obvious is being targeted by

699
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Speaker 9: this administration. But one sector of people that I have

700
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 9: not heard representing or even pushing back or saying that

701
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 9: anything is a so called leadership in the Jewish community. Now,

702
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 9: maybe it's me or maybe I'm missing something, but the

703
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 9: soul called elite rich Jewish people or the Jewish leadership,

704
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 9: I'm not hearing anything from this now and my wrongers

705
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 9: and me or what Reverend Pinckney.

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Speaker 6: Well, you know after you right on, Porner, who's gonna

707
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 6: stand up for black people? Have you ever known anybody

708
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 6: this I mean and really come out and support black people?

709
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 10: Now?

710
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 6: To think about this themesticism? Now, they wanted, like I

711
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 6: don't have several conversations with different people that they wanted

712
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 6: me to come speak at different places. You know, it

713
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 6: hurted me to say this, but I have to say, well,

714
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Speaker 6: I couldn't do it cause when we were don't trouble Now,

715
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 6: you never once mentioned that you wanted to come and

716
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Speaker 6: join us for anything. And nobody comes to the aid

717
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 6: of black people, nobody, you know, and bless fact black

718
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 6: people don't sometimes don't even come to the aid of

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Speaker 6: black people. So you know, we're we're we're on that island,

720
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Speaker 6: you know, and uh h and and where we're just there.

721
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Speaker 6: That's how they're able to neutralize us if we never

722
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Speaker 6: change together on one term, we'll we'll be right where

723
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Speaker 6: we need to be. And let me let me say

724
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Speaker 6: this real fast. I get a sermon when I put

725
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Speaker 6: the question. You know, I tell you the question of

726
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Speaker 6: the day. It was the Black church, the new plant case.

727
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Speaker 6: And I explained to to the congregations that this is

728
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Speaker 6: only a question. And you you should have some of

729
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Speaker 6: some of the comments that I received, and I put

730
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Speaker 6: it on faithor saying stuff it's it's black people. Well,

731
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Speaker 6: you know you you can't stand something that's not defendable,

732
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Speaker 6: you see. And I'm I'm I'm I'm a pastor of

733
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Speaker 6: the church. I know, uh, you can't defend it. But

734
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Speaker 6: what we as black people have to do. We got

735
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Speaker 6: to get out to reorganized.

736
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Speaker 5: We got to be sad.

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Speaker 6: Who's going for the most important weapon that we have

738
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Speaker 6: is our children. That's what's all this is going on now,

739
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Speaker 6: going to affect you know, someone like me, I'm an

740
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Speaker 6: old host, you see, but our children. They are going

741
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Speaker 6: to neutralize our children, and that's what they're targeting it

742
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Speaker 6: right now.

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Speaker 1: We don't see it that way, yeah, right, that hold though,

744
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Speaker 1: I want to get your response to your congregation when

745
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Speaker 1: when you pose that question to them, you said that.

746
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Speaker 1: Some people asked, some issues, can you share some of

747
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: that with us? What were they concerned about?

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, they say, uh, now you know what, I know

749
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 6: you were in my church. You ain't you know, you're

750
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Speaker 6: not on no Blackbird plant. Tell it because I'm not

751
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 6: gonna going to accept it. But uh they was, you know,

752
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 6: they really got into it. Something said, well uh uh

753
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Speaker 6: uh they was assaulted by it. You know, that insulted me.

754
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Speaker 6: I said, well, you know, I said, it's only a question.

755
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Speaker 6: Oh yes, you would say yes or no, give an explanation.

756
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Speaker 4: That's all.

757
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Speaker 6: That's all you need, you know, we need to talk about.

758
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Speaker 6: But even on faith I put it on faithful. There

759
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 6: was some people, oh, that's insulting Black Pete the churches.

760
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Speaker 6: I said, well, look I have a congregation. I know,

761
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Speaker 6: I know what the saying was not to say, but

762
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Speaker 6: I want to make sure they understood that they're not

763
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Speaker 6: on the plantation and they're gonna get out here and

764
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Speaker 6: work for the people in the community. That was the

765
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Speaker 6: whole thing. And some someime to realize.

766
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Speaker 5: Exa'st what I was saying.

767
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Speaker 6: And uh they they you know, they did call me

768
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Speaker 6: talk to me, and I should playing to them. And

769
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Speaker 6: they they was all four because there was some who

770
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 6: was upset, you see. And uh uh And like I

771
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 6: told you, I ain't mad at you. You know, you're

772
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 6: gonna be upset, be upset, you know. But the problem

773
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 6: is we're gonna get out here and fight. We're gonna

774
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 6: fight because district't gonna get bad. They're gonna get bad.

775
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Speaker 6: Now I'm telling you.

776
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Speaker 11: Something else.

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Speaker 9: Fine, if you could respond with brother Kevin, the so

778
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 9: called black your Jewish leadership. And also it's that caller,

779
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 9: previous caller could just give me a name. Maybe I

780
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 9: could be wrong, maybe I need to be staying corrected,

781
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Speaker 9: but I'm looking for that response.

782
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Speaker 1: Thank you, brother, all right, thankfully, And I just put

783
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Speaker 1: it on them alone. As Rev just said, black leaders

784
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Speaker 1: as well. You know, if if our black leaders are

785
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: not responding, and expect other people to respond, Cliff, But

786
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Speaker 1: go ahead, Revin, I'll let you respond to Cliff's question.

787
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Speaker 6: See. See, that'sh the problem. We will have given each

788
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 6: other a free pass, you know, and that have put

789
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 6: us in a compromise to me, you see, we will

790
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 6: give each other all the way he got to do.

791
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 6: Like like like the ballplayers, they don't reinvest into our community.

792
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 6: We give them. We you know they can't do it.

793
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 6: They do it, it's gonna happen. Well, look at it

794
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 6: like this, Sometimes you have to do what you would

795
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 6: have to do, you know, help. If we don't help

796
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,959
Speaker 6: each other, you know, we're in the work of fall

797
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 6: that elen happen in history because we're not helping each other.

798
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 6: We're not helping each other. We got to help each other.

799
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Speaker 6: And if fires. You know, Jewish people these organizations, ain't

800
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Speaker 6: nobody gonna come to our aids. They not coming brings

801
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 6: yourself more like I said, black people ain't even coming

802
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 6: to black people aids. You know, they're trying to get

803
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 6: all the money they you get. And in order for

804
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 6: us to really get serio and get tough, we got

805
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 6: to make sure we're just making sure we're educating our children.

806
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 6: You see. That's the that's the weapon that they not

807
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 6: count on. They not count on on Black folks educating

808
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 6: the children about future, not the future, you see, it's

809
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 6: not the it's the presence. But we have to make

810
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Speaker 6: sure we build we build a foundation for the future

811
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Speaker 6: for our children. If we're not doing that, all we're

812
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Speaker 6: doing is shooting ourselves in the blitz.

813
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Speaker 1: All right, hold up, all right there, right, we gotta

814
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: step aside and get caught up with the trafficking weather

815
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Speaker 1: in our different cities. It's four minutes away from the

816
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: top of our family. You two can join our conversation

817
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: with our guess. It's from Benton Harbor, Michigan. His name

818
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: is Reverend Edward Pinkney. Reverend Pinckneys in the forefront of

819
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Speaker 1: the in that city probably black city by the way. Family,

820
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: they don't have clean water and it's been doing this

821
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Speaker 1: now for decades. What are your thoughts? Eight hundred and

822
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Speaker 1: four to five zero seventy eight seventy six will get

823
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: you into the conversation. We'll take your phone calls after

824
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: we check the weather and traffic in the different cities.

825
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Speaker 1: That's next and grand rising family, and welcome to Tuesday morning.

826
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Speaker 1: I guess is the Reverend ed Pinckney from Benton Harbor, Michigan.

827
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Speaker 1: Bari Ghana as well, family, and today's the fifth day

828
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Speaker 1: of Quanti. And your response is nea, which means purpose.

829
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Speaker 1: Reverend Pinkney, we got some folks want to talk to you,

830
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Speaker 1: and also we got brother Amen Rah is standing by

831
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Speaker 1: Professor almorra is, the retired professor. He's on deck. We

832
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: gets me momentary. But Charles in Baltimore has a question

833
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: for Reverend Pinkney. Charles grand Rising, your question for Reverend Pinckney.

834
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Speaker 4: Yes, how you doing today?

835
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Speaker 5: Greeting great?

836
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Speaker 4: Well. I gotta say, you know, when we had a government,

837
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 4: we were very traditional, or we have been traditional, but

838
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 4: tradition has gone out the window, and it seems like

839
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 4: we don't have any oversight, we don't have any checks

840
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 4: or balances. And I'm saying, you know, from the mayors

841
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 4: to the governors to the presidents, since nineteen ninety nine,

842
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 4: they have been rewriting everything. I mean we're talking about

843
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 4: money procedures, new laws, more oppression.

844
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Speaker 5: You know by debt.

845
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 4: No, how can a president use the federal reserve for

846
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 4: his own personal profit? Did the federal reserve change? I mean,

847
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 4: how did it change or why did it change? Is

848
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 4: this has something to do with the government ending in

849
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Speaker 4: nineteen ninety nine and the shadow government being in existence since?

850
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Speaker 3: Is that your question?

851
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 4: Chas?

852
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 2: All right?

853
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 3: Response? Go ahead.

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Speaker 6: See see like I said before, there's something building building

855
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 6: and building they have started twenty thirty years ago. They

856
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 6: took it. They have to figure out a way how

857
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 6: they can neutralize the poor people see, not just black people,

858
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 6: but poor people. See you keep poor people fighting with

859
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 6: each other. You tell the people like, well, if LBJ

860
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 6: said that if you can convincece the poorest white person

861
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 6: that he's better than the best black person, then you

862
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 6: can pick his pocket and he won't even know it.

863
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Speaker 6: He said, hell, he'll give you everything in his pocket

864
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 6: if you can convince them. And that's what they said.

865
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 6: They started it years and years ago. They always dislike

866
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 6: black people, even the ones the electrical fishers. They got

867
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 6: the electrical officials to dislike black people, you know. And

868
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 6: what the thing is, we're trying to prove out humanity.

869
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 6: Who those to those who don't behave in a humanitarian way.

870
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,959
Speaker 6: That's what we try. We try, we don't. We ain't

871
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 6: taking the gloves off. I'm the guy who take the

872
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 6: gloves off, you know.

873
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 4: And they know that.

874
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 6: We have to figure out the way how we're going

875
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 6: to fight together right now. We got to start building

876
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 6: for the future of our children. I'm gonna see I'm

877
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 6: saying this and every time my cot I talk about

878
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 6: the children, because that's the foundations. That's what they don't

879
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 6: want us to do, you know, they don't want us

880
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 6: to bring up young warriors. They don't want us to

881
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 6: bring up educated people. Education don't mean nothing today, you know. Basically,

882
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 6: it's just there, you know people, you know, they come

883
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 6: up with all these little gimmicks to neutralize black people,

884
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 6: you know, and we fall into the child we want

885
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 6: to be like them. We you know, it's just like

886
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 6: they're on the job and a black person becomes the supervisor.

887
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 6: He started treating like then q Q. And that's how

888
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 6: i'n fortunate. But we have to make sure that we

889
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 6: get out here and keep All we can do is

890
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 6: tell them what they do. That information is on them.

891
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,919
Speaker 6: And that's why I don't use no, I don't lose

892
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 6: no more sweeps over this. I'm ready.

893
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: And saying that you're ready five out the top of

894
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 1: rever What do you what do you anticipate is gonna

895
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: happen in twenty twenty six or what moves do you

896
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: want us to make going into the new one?

897
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 5: Thing?

898
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 6: We got to begin to show a united front. That's

899
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 6: one of the key things that you know, I'm saying

900
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 6: that they I'm saying this is good. Fifty million of us.

901
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 6: We got a few sand bowls running around who put

902
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 6: money ahead of everything, you know, those who put money

903
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 6: ahead of everything, they're part of the problem, you see.

904
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 6: But what we need to do, we got to reorganize ourselves.

905
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 6: We got to come with one language. You know, build, build,

906
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 6: build a foundation for the future of our children. But

907
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 6: they're coming after our children. They're not coming after us.

908
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 6: This is for twenty years down the road.

909
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 5: What they're doing now.

910
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 6: They're having a system.

911
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 5: That they built.

912
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 6: They built the system just like it is, and then

913
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 6: and now they want to attack it, tears out and

914
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 6: rebuild it to be what they wanted to be.

915
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 5: You know.

916
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 11: Let me jump in and ask this question from this country.

917
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: Do we need another Gary meeting that we had in

918
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: seventy two? Do we need another collaboration with all our

919
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: leaders from across the country to come together and formulate

920
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: some sort of a Black agenda going forward? Do we

921
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 1: need to have one of those meetings again?

922
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 12: Oh?

923
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 5: Absolutely.

924
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 6: We need to find out who's on our side. We

925
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 6: need to find out who's with who's not motivated by money?

926
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 6: Who you know, this is what we need to do.

927
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 6: And then we need to sit down with these athletes

928
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 6: because they're that entertaining for them. We need to sit

929
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 6: down with them and explain to them. They roll. You see,

930
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 6: you see in my game, we everybody had a role.

931
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 6: We had a roll to my father, he had a

932
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 6: role to play. Everybody had a role. Now everybody is

933
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 6: all over the place. You know, nobody wants to be

934
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 6: with him. I don't like the way he calls. They

935
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 6: tell me this all the time. I don't like the

936
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 6: way rather than take he cap, he said, be talking

937
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 6: like that. And I said, well, okay, I said, oh,

938
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 6: I can tell you. Oh. I said, okay, all right.

939
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 6: You know you do the thing not to do mine.

940
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 6: That's not the way it's supposed to be. We want

941
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 6: to come to some kind of grievance, sit down and

942
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 6: figure out how we're gonna build this thing. Build this

943
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 6: foundation for the growth of our children. That's what we

944
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 6: need to do. We need to make sure that everything.

945
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 6: See they gott children, got them on this designer stuff.

946
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 6: They gotta have these air joy these four hundred dollars.

947
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 6: Just no, they don't you go out and buy them

948
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 6: with some kids for two, whether two or twenty five,

949
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 6: and and and and and and and build unect care

950
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 6: of your business. We don't take care of business like

951
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 6: we should, like we used to do. We used to

952
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 6: take care of business. We don't do that no more.

953
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 3: And we got let you go. What why is that?

954
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: Though, Rebel, what you said is true. We don't do

955
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: what our parents did for us. But can that work

956
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: in today's society because it's a different world we're living

957
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 1: in right now.

958
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 6: Oh, they got it this way, they got there. See,

959
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 6: this is no accident. This was designed just.

960
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 7: Like a e is.

961
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 6: But we as parents stars at home. Everything starts at home.

962
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 6: You got to open up the doors, open up the

963
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 6: channels of communication so that we can can explain and

964
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 6: do what needs to be done for the future. Everything

965
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 6: we do right now should be for the future. We

966
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 6: should be dealing for you know, like they do. They

967
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 6: playing ten years, fifteen years, twenty years ahead, you see.

968
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 6: And like I said, you see we look we're survivors.

969
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 6: You see, we are survived. See we may look like

970
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 6: people with no hope, but we are chosen by God.

971
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 6: And I believe that, I believe that with all my

972
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 6: heart that we are chosen by God. And in order

973
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 6: for us to really make something happen, we have to

974
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 6: put our feelings away. We got to put them egos away,

975
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,919
Speaker 6: and we got to say well, this is going to happen.

976
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 6: We need to form a fund of the United Front.

977
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 6: And that's how it's supposed to be done.

978
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 2: Oh, Reverend thinking Kevin Lankford here, Look before you go,

979
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 2: are there any information you like to share it with

980
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 2: the listeners of how they could reach you or get

981
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 2: in touch.

982
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 13: Or absolutely, you can call me Reverend Edward Pinkney at

983
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 13: two six nine three sixth nine eight two five seven.

984
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 6: Let me repeat that, Reverend Edward paint me two six

985
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 6: nine three sixth nine eight two five seven. And I

986
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,240
Speaker 6: tell you I really appreciate Carlin Nelson.

987
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 4: I really do.

988
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 6: I'm I'm happy to be on here. I'm happy to

989
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 6: get up in every morning or the morning that you request.

990
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 6: And uh, let's let's learn how we can fight together.

991
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 6: Let's let's figure out how we're gonna fight for our children.

992
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 6: Let's figure out how we can make this happen. So

993
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 6: you can call me at two sixty nine three sixty

994
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 6: nine eight two five seven. And if you call me

995
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 6: you need me, I will come. Thank you, run, thank you,

996
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 6: thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you,

997
00:54:59,360 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 6: thank you.

998
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 11: Because you're where is respawner?

999
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 4: We call you?

1000
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 3: Thank you?

1001
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 11: All right? Family, as I mentioned, it's ten after the

1002
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 11: top that that was Reverend Ed Pinckney from Benon Harbor, Michigan,

1003
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 11: sat our attention now to a retired professor, Brother Amen

1004
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,879
Speaker 11: Raj joined us room at cal State Long Beach. That's

1005
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 11: where he taught Professor almen ra about Rigani Grand Rising.

1006
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 11: Welcome to the program.

1007
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 5: Me appropriately he like Wanza in grand Riding Grant right.

1008
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 5: Can you hear me?

1009
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 6: Girl?

1010
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 11: Sure? I can hear you. I can hear you fine?

1011
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 5: I good, good, good good? Yeah, you know, I want

1012
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 5: you to pick up on.

1013
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 11: What Reverend Pinckney talked about the planning for our future,

1014
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 11: you know, because there's a lot of taught that we

1015
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 11: don't plan. He started off by telling us about how

1016
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 11: Project twenty twenty five wasn't concocted a few years ago.

1017
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 11: That's been in the years. They've been planning this for years,

1018
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 11: and they have another plan. They think long term. We

1019
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 11: we plan we certain times just think short term. You

1020
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 11: agreement that we should have another you know that power

1021
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 11: meeting that we had in Gary in seventy two. Do

1022
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 11: you think we need to come up with a black

1023
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 11: agenda going forward? Reverend PingER says, we have to do

1024
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 11: this for the children. What are your thoughts.

1025
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 5: Yes, I agree that we should have a number of

1026
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,919
Speaker 5: Gary in the end. Means it's not gonna just be one.

1027
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 5: I attended the one in Gary back in nineteen seventy

1028
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 5: throughout the representatives that was going then by Lunda. I

1029
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 5: think the revenue is right about what we need to

1030
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 5: do and change. The struggle begins essentially with the parents,

1031
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 5: and the parents at the home and so some parents

1032
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 5: at the home, and then we need to work on

1033
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 5: developing children to be also a part of the struggle.

1034
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 5: It's a challenge because he used the European planners and

1035
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 5: doing nothing doing that. But this was their plan from

1036
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 5: the beginning they I mean, and that's to put their

1037
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:06,399
Speaker 5: plan is doing right now. What they have to land,

1038
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 5: they have to really global dominance and Europeans. I mean

1039
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 5: they've always tried to move that way as the Native

1040
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 5: American after Japanese as a visna means that's every struggle

1041
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 5: in every war, it's all been about land and power. Now,

1042
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 5: but what our challenges getting the resources to organize and

1043
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 5: to educate people in a different way, where a different language,

1044
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 5: in a different way of looking at life. Right, So

1045
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 5: sometimes our kids do what they see us do, and

1046
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 5: that in some of our parents are comfortable in their

1047
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 5: own oppression. They don't necessarily. I mean they seem to

1048
00:57:55,680 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 5: be comfortable with Europeans bombing uh the boats and uh

1049
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 5: and then played bombing and Knight uh that area bombing

1050
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 5: uh uh somewhere here and they create a problem and

1051
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 5: then they act like they want to solve the problem.

1052
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 5: No one asking the question, but the gen side in

1053
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 5: suit hand and somebodya who's giving them the gun?

1054
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 11: And before we go down that road, before we get

1055
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 11: into an international page, I want to go back to

1056
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 11: seventy two, because you were a Gary in seventy two.

1057
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 11: The problems that we had back in the late sixties

1058
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 11: to early seventies. Do you still see those problems with

1059
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 11: facing as a community today.

1060
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 5: Yeah. The white people in the white white institutions there

1061
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 5: were always been the problem. And we we did development

1062
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 5: jen a Mari and Morocco was wanting to look about

1063
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 5: it and he was there, but we had division there.

1064
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 4: Uh Uh.

1065
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 5: Sherry Chisholm didn't, the ten Man Jackson didn't didn't the

1066
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 5: ten Uh. It was a couple of other people that

1067
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 5: didn't attend uh. High profile people and they really talked

1068
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 5: against it because they didn't they were you know, he

1069
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 5: was she she was running for the Democratic nomination, and uh,

1070
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 5: you know that's that's the issue with regards to politics

1071
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 5: and power. Uh in a twin and woven together. And

1072
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 5: you have black people trying to be uh uh uh

1073
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 5: congressmen and senators. And he was on the local school

1074
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 5: boy menions and school boards and college boys and water

1075
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 5: commissions and beings. But their agenda is not political. To

1076
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 5: pursue political power for the was the game political position

1077
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 5: for themselves. And when you start talking about congrids people,

1078
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 5: it's about money. It's about many money. You can look

1079
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Speaker 5: at some of the leeds wet. They went in talking

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Speaker 5: about what they're gonna do for the people and things

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01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 5: that nature, but they got overwhelmed and they just started

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01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 5: doing with Trump going going for the money.

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Speaker 11: And we're not all right there. I'll let you expand

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Speaker 11: on that in a moment, but we're gonna step aside

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01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 11: for a few moments and sixteen minutes at the top

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Speaker 11: of our family, just checking in. I guess it's retired

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01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 11: professor Amen Rad. You got to want to join this

1088
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 11: conversation with Professor arm and Rad reach out to us

1089
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 11: at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six,

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Speaker 11: and we'll take a phone calls next and Grand Rising family,

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01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 11: thanks are rolling with us on this Tuesday morning and

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01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 11: this last week of twenty twenty five. I guess there's

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Speaker 11: an armed Rah. Brother Amarah is a former college professor

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01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 11: and brother Amirad, you're telling us he was at the

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01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 11: Garrett convention in nineteen seventy two. So brother amara on

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01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 11: you finished explaining to other family because many of us,

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01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 11: some folks weren't even born back in seventy two, how

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Speaker 11: that conference came about and what came out after that conference, Well.

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Speaker 5: It was it was crystallizing the black movement, UH. And

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01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 5: there was an effort to organize us to come to

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01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 5: Gary to develop a black palytical agenda, and we did

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01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 5: one of our she of course DC becoming a state,

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Speaker 5: reforming the welfare at that time and working with the poor,

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01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 5: economic development among ourselves and spending among our sales. I mean,

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01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 5: we did develop the agenda, and that by some strong

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01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 5: activists and community people that the people forget that the

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01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 5: system spend billions of dollars UH to alter us with

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01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 5: cointail know that began to intervene because he came up

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01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 5: the black revote revoked during the sixties, then led up

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Speaker 5: to uh the vision of black power through politics and

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01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 5: through political organizations. That's how Mary got started. And I

1112
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 5: think Willie Brown hit our delegations from California. But you know,

1113
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 5: they they changed. A lot of people changed, like Harry Ewards.

1114
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 5: We got to the black athlete in the Six Day Olympics. Now,

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01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 5: you know Harry changed. Other people cham not calling him

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01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 5: out for change. I mean he was overwhelmed. Muhammad Ali changed,

1117
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 5: you know, the person don't go to the war now

1118
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 5: he was encouraging people to voted the name. I mean,

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01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 5: those things happened because of the pressure. But getting back

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Speaker 5: to Gary, it was it was.

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Speaker 4: It was.

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Speaker 5: At a high school gym and many of us at

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01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 5: that time, UH people were who came there were the

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01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 5: mass of the people who were strong and they may

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Speaker 5: put forth the things that they wanted to their to

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01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 5: their representatives and delegations. Because we have a big tent

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01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 5: that black people and we have different issues. Uh, what's

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01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 5: going on in Chicago may not be happening in California

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01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 5: because yeah, Chicago, Kaint Lewis and the South had a

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Speaker 5: big in train of black people where in certain states,

1131
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 5: and then journeys do small states make the most noise?

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01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 5: I mean, you know best in California they had two rebellions,

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01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 5: they had ninety two. Then getting back to what you

1134
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 5: said about the agenda, it's one thing that Magan agenda,

1135
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 5: but it's another thing to implement it. And you have

1136
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 5: to implement your agenda. And what happened at Garry We

1137
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 5: had the big meeting, and I think the only follow

1138
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 5: ups were were to buy La Baraka on the East coach.

1139
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 5: We've got that black agenda, and to bend it back,

1140
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 5: but we never really got back together. And and and

1141
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 5: then spend the time in Gary, you real be ongoing

1142
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 5: community meetings.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 5: That was supposed to come out like a mere market

1145
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 5: made a lot of that was a great market fair

1146
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 5: Catt and Black Court Nationalist Black Owe Avenue put together

1147
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 5: uh that we just recently celebrated. Uh. And but you

1148
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 5: got the follow up here to get that marching, watching

1149
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 5: the march and watching the boy fair cart we had

1150
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 5: to have it. It was two parts to it. It

1151
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 5: was one to come the DC. The others that the

1152
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 5: boycott and stay home from school. And had workshops at home.

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01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 4: It was a.

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01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 5: Two parts and we had workshops off leading up to

1155
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Speaker 5: the march. And that's why it made it so such

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01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 5: successful ministers with renting busses to bring take their kids

1157
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 5: to it. And but you have to have a structure

1158
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 5: and constructure and and.

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Speaker 4: And the being there.

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Speaker 5: They do a lot of the the trumpet things they

1161
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 5: are black and you know the beyondres though because uh

1162
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 5: the jay z all they do a lot of things

1163
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 5: you know that seemed to be beautiful. But any of

1164
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 5: us school Lebron James wanted to be teaching at the

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01:05:56,280 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 5: school teaching person of responsibility. I think what philosophy and

1166
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 5: ideology and the issue is is that I'll struggle with

1167
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 5: the law attractors struggle and I commend the people that

1168
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 5: the black lines matter the organization, uh for their longevity.

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01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 5: Many other organizations pay in the national best grow in

1170
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 5: New York where the doctor Big Owner Shibaka they have

1171
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 5: They're still try and organize the people in educating people.

1172
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 5: But when you have megachurches and that that align with

1173
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 5: Republican Party and mega church black megachurches that uh talking about,

1174
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Speaker 5: you know you're gonna go to heaven if you don't

1175
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 5: worry about what's going on earth. They created the problem

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01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 5: for it as far as didn't massive, I'm not worried

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01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 5: about them that. I think that if you did a

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01:06:56,280 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 5: strong enough movement and you got to build a black room,

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01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 5: and is doctor Karna's say, and you've got a philosophy

1180
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 5: operation unity, unity with diversity, in unity with our uniformity

1181
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 5: and also the ethics of the mows and value and

1182
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 5: we have to start from basics. I believe what Rather

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01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 5: he was saying, he begins at home. But we were

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Speaker 5: assuming that we have the same homes in seventy two.

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01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 5: I think you mentioned that that you were in a

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01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 5: different era and uh, we're not in control of our homes.

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01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 5: I mean you got AI controlling the home. You got

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01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 5: TV like the nine Imut Bible. Say who's the professor

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01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 5: of psychology as dot of color and he would say,

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01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 5: we was kidnapped at that time and by electronic TVs.

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01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 5: And now you've got people kidnapped by assignments space and

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01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 5: you've got to uh the systems choosing people that making

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01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 5: them comminent in their society. That I'm right, and that

1194
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 5: becomes the goal as the kids they want to be

1195
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 5: like you no professional athlete or professional magician, even if

1196
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 5: they desired to go into the education and get a

1197
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 5: job or get be engineered. What is your parent get

1198
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 5: what's hold?

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Speaker 11: I thought, right there, Professor Amanrah, let me bring you

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Speaker 11: some more folks who want to talk to your family

1201
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 11: just joining us twenty eight minutes after top of that,

1202
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 11: I would I guess former college professor brother Amanrah. He

1203
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 11: touched on a lot of stuff talking about, first, you know,

1204
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:47,560
Speaker 11: the need for another Gary, Indiana type meeting, and I

1205
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 11: asked him to break that down because so many of

1206
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 11: our people, some of the young people, weren't around at

1207
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 11: the Gary. At the Gary meeting, he attended it and

1208
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:58,560
Speaker 11: what the objections were and the outcome, because after the

1209
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 11: Gary meeting, we see a lot of a lot of

1210
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,879
Speaker 11: black elected officials came out of that meeting, especially Congress

1211
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 11: and even even on the local side, a lot of people,

1212
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 11: a lot of black folks were elected to office following

1213
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 11: that meeting in Gary. And as somebody mentioned who was

1214
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 11: there earlier mentioned a couple of days ago that was

1215
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,639
Speaker 11: dominated by Reverend Jackson. Oh that was there yesterday, Doctor

1216
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 11: Taylor mentioned that the Gary meeting. But what are your

1217
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 11: thoughts family. You want to get in on this conversation

1218
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 11: with Professor Alman Rod, reach out to us at eight

1219
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 11: hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six. Brother

1220
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 11: Andre's checking in from LAS online one. Grand Rising, Andre,

1221
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 11: You're on with doctor Almen ra.

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01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 14: Yes, Grand Rising Paul and Grand Rising also Professor Roh.

1223
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 14: I wanted to first congratulate you and Professor Krga on

1224
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 14: your retirements. You've certainly been on this day Leah.

1225
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:52,759
Speaker 5: Purpose. You've certainly been.

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01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 15: Stead passing this of your purpose here over the years

1227
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 15: in Los Angeles and all over the nation actually and

1228
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 15: and in our community. So congratulations to you both. And

1229
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 15: I want to also thank you for your update on

1230
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 15: Gary and uh, certainly I think we need to revamp

1231
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 15: that and as you're you're critical in this whole movement

1232
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 15: to bring back that consciousness.

1233
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 15: My question is after you finished speaking more on Gary,

1235
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 15: is that do you think that with the rising uscillation

1236
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 15: of tensions in northwest Nigeria that the Africans, which which

1237
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 15: which we know is about resources, is not about this

1238
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:36,839
Speaker 15: Christian if that's all escalated about the massacre of Christians

1239
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 15: to though it's about getting national uh location Geo locating

1240
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 15: along the UH Hill states, and it's about especially Bettina,

1241
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:49,719
Speaker 15: Parsu and Nigier where all the precious minerals are uranium,

1242
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 15: so many others that we both know about. But the

1243
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 15: question of itself is UH in their positioning, the GEO

1244
01:10:56,000 --> 01:11:00,120
Speaker 15: positioning to be in proximity to those states. But the

1245
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 15: question is do you think as tensions rise, that the

1246
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 15: African American military, for those engaged in military will conscientiously

1247
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 15: object to us continueing tensions to look at Sudan, we

1248
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:16,639
Speaker 15: see that that hasn't happened, but continuing escalating our tensions

1249
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 15: in that region for the first time, you know, knowing

1250
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 15: that they're dropping bombs when our people, many of us

1251
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:26,720
Speaker 15: have come from Nigeria actually in that region. Do you

1252
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 15: think that there will be a rise of awareness in

1253
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 15: our military to object against this further movement. And I'll

1254
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 15: take my answer off the air and thank you again

1255
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:37,719
Speaker 15: for all that you do and all this you've done

1256
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:40,880
Speaker 15: for Los Angeles, this nation and the world with your

1257
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 15: expertise and your knowledge, your wisdom. Thank you again, Assanti.

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01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I appreciate what you're saying. Thank you for the

1259
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 5: government for me and doctor Karina as well. Question they

1260
01:11:55,880 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 5: do dropping bombs, but not the physical bombs and military

1261
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:04,720
Speaker 5: bounds mental violence on our people. The three major UH

1262
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 5: religions that are co operative Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. They're

1263
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:14,520
Speaker 5: over there dropping bounce of our people. You be surprised

1264
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 5: that on the continent, how many of our people turn

1265
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 5: to you opinion EU opeon interpretations of spirituality and the

1266
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 5: goals and objectives they want to They uh promote white

1267
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 5: ideology and philosophy all over the continent and they impose it.

1268
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 5: They imposed, you know, the Native American hair cut off

1269
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 5: their hair, and it's called our culturation. And then we uh,

1270
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 5: you know, one of the lessons that we have to

1271
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:51,679
Speaker 5: learn and that that we've suggested people learning in fact

1272
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 5: the SS for sacred people, see the good in us

1273
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:58,639
Speaker 5: of the people. The European has been billions of dollars

1274
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:02,639
Speaker 5: to make people want to divorce themselves from the race

1275
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 5: and just be American, to get comfortable in the impression

1276
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 5: and what TCIs abound it in physical body. But America

1277
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 5: got over fifty thousand truths throughout Africa, all the major

1278
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:20,680
Speaker 5: war I mean the region of World War two and

1279
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 5: all that they fought on the continent of Africa. But

1280
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 5: it's a very complicated. Our struggle is long and protracted.

1281
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 5: It took us hundreds of years to get out of

1282
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:36,920
Speaker 5: the holocaust of enslavement, and it's going to take a

1283
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 5: long time to get young people engaged. And the strategies

1284
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:46,560
Speaker 5: and the strategies that do that is to try to

1285
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 5: get a sense of communication on a covert level at

1286
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:56,799
Speaker 5: home and teach their kids that we're behind enemy line

1287
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 5: and a lot of ideology. Teach you at home and

1288
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 5: and the community areas covert actions. Uh, so they last

1289
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 5: to teaching. Bobby Right said some of us are suffering

1290
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 5: fromenticide and that that that that that uh, that is

1291
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 5: accurate if you look if you look at how the

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Speaker 5: system have meticide. Uh, as far as they're culturating people

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Speaker 5: are many young people want the American dreams, and the

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Speaker 5: novel said the American dream is the American night mare,

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Speaker 5: because you can want what Americans say you should be

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Speaker 5: and you it's like those cops that those about four

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Speaker 5: or five black cops that beat the un the brother

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Speaker 5: Jergie Mandy's card, I forget what it is. The I mean, yeah, yeah, many,

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Speaker 5: I mean they just beat this brother. Uh and then

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Speaker 5: now they're on trial, and you could get that. You know,

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Speaker 5: we had the people, but understand that everybody's not gonna

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Speaker 5: come along. You know that people are married to various

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01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:21,840
Speaker 5: ethnic groups of the white and they you know, black

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01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 5: people are like clients, toles and and they've other black

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01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 5: political figures and they they being only represent what what

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Speaker 5: the black office to represent? What one don't no more

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Speaker 5: than about five or six percent of the democratic one.

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Speaker 5: I mean, so where where where problems could be? In

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Speaker 5: local and the reverent people? He was saying, it starts

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Speaker 5: in the home, and it's correct, but the homes are

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Speaker 5: now households because they're not in control of the homes

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Speaker 5: like we used to be in seventy two. And we

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Speaker 5: had a different As College pointed about, we were coming

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Speaker 5: out since the Black powel, the Black liberation movement and

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Speaker 5: civil rights movement, and we were pursuing black the medical

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Speaker 5: power at that time, William Ricks and Stobe Carmichael was

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01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 5: was screaming, and even Stubby changed and wanted to become

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Speaker 5: a Pan Africanist and became Kamitray and they were calling

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Speaker 5: himself black and the Africans. We got so many different

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Speaker 5: ideologies out there sometimes it confuses the children because we

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Speaker 5: don't put a structure that that's just one of the

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Speaker 5: idealities that we choose to be that way. That's why

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Speaker 5: in the sixties we had a simple a gender freedom

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01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 5: of the Civil Rights movement and the Black Power movement

1325
01:16:56,120 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 5: were there saying that they just had different taxes one

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Speaker 5: England violin and integration attle more of a Christian movement,

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Speaker 5: students for no violent, for a name.

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Speaker 11: Communion and then hold though right there, Professor Armenrod, we'll

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Speaker 11: rest of us after four moments and check the news.

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Speaker 11: Latest news coming up when we come back though. You

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01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 11: said we had an agenda back in the seventies, Well,

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Speaker 11: we're all on board on one of agenda. When we

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01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 11: come back, tell us what you think that agenda should

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Speaker 11: be for twenty twenty six. Family, you two can get

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Speaker 11: in on this conversation with our guest, Professor ahmen rad As,

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Speaker 11: retired professor at cal State Lumbach. You want to join

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Speaker 11: the conversation, reach out to us at eight hundred four

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Speaker 11: five zero seventy eighth seventy six and we'll take your

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01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 11: phone calls. That's we check the news, trafficking, weather, that's next.

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Speaker 11: As in family, and the Barigani and your responsor being

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Speaker 11: nea which means purpose. On this fifth day of Ponta,

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Speaker 11: our guest is Professor Armen Rau, I should say, retired

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01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 11: college professor Armen Rod giving us what he thinks we

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01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:56,560
Speaker 11: should be doing for twenty twenty six before we go

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Speaker 11: back to developments. To remind you, coming up later this morning,

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Speaker 11: we're gonna speak with another form of professor, but a

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Speaker 11: Pan African critical thinking Expertisionary retired doctor David Hornwell join us,

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Speaker 11: and later this week you're going to hear from Grill

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Speaker 11: doctor James Small about Todd Griole's and also public enemies.

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Speaker 11: Minister of Information Professor Griff will be here. So if

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Speaker 11: you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep your radio

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01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 11: locked in tied on ten ten WLB or if you're

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01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 11: in the DMV era on fourteen fifty WOL. All right,

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Speaker 11: Professor almanra your thoughts on what you think the Black

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01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 11: Committees should be doing for twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 5: Well, Thickball, I continue to struggle. I need that we

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01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:38,680
Speaker 5: need to get back into our cultural movement where we

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01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 5: ritualize and theologize our listening to the people. It's for

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Speaker 5: the good that we're doing and support those that are

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Speaker 5: struggling with your movements and programm that we have. You

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Speaker 5: have the reparation, you have the economic development movement of

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Speaker 5: the many groups that are really building a black un

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Speaker 5: in front. All those types of things are good, but

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Speaker 5: it begins with the individual. And that's why Black Studies

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Speaker 5: was very very important when we started it, because it

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Speaker 5: was student driven and the whole purpose was to educate

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Speaker 5: us to be better parents and conscious conscious parents, and

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Speaker 5: to be about for the future and to be one

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Speaker 5: in which we don't feel defeated because the white folks

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Speaker 5: exercising their efforts, are trying to globalize the world and

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Speaker 5: rule the world. Most people just want to live on

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Speaker 5: the planet and be comfortable living and that freedom to

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Speaker 5: be ourselves. I just think that we have to go

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Speaker 5: back to the city. When doctor Karnge said to keep

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Speaker 5: chrisis in the black lives as a culture crisis, a

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Speaker 5: crisis of value and fuss and this is what was

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Speaker 5: very important. The system chooses and promote our type of

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Speaker 5: leaderships from wrap artness to other forms of athletes and

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Speaker 5: uh and thus nature that that ourtivity get wrapped up

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Speaker 5: in and we got to get them to want to

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Speaker 5: be like malvilm like Harrett president if not in in

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Speaker 5: in uh uh you know we're in which they can

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Speaker 5: get uh neutralized. But in a covert man, I have

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Speaker 5: a heard a mentality among the women. I have a

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Speaker 5: Malcolm mentality among the young boys as far as their

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Speaker 5: consciousness and uh, it's it's a complicated situation when you

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Speaker 5: have like in Gary, I mean you said some beautiful wood,

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Speaker 5: grave tech and you say, you're in a different era.

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Speaker 5: And we have to use all the tools that we

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Speaker 5: can to educate our people. We have to master AI.

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Speaker 5: We have to master our households like the Prince May

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Speaker 5: and our children and foster parents under the drug epidemic

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Speaker 5: and then saturating the commanded with drugs and poverty and homelessness.

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Speaker 5: But we have to develop institutions that are dressed. The

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Speaker 5: reason why we're not organizing all our having a revolution

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Speaker 5: or mentality. I think Malcolm said we in position to

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Speaker 5: have a bloodlet's revolutions said most revolutions are bloody, and

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Speaker 5: if you knew what they were, you wouldn't need to

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Speaker 5: use that work. But then he came back, because we

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Speaker 5: in a position to have a bloody blood, that's revolution

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Speaker 5: and that is changing our mentality in our culture, apparatus

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Speaker 5: and value system. I mean when you look at what

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Speaker 5: they the reverend be talking about, I mean some people

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01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:07,800
Speaker 5: talking about Look what they're doing is after while they

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Speaker 5: found me, they adsassinated come home. This ain't new. And

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Speaker 5: they took assassinating to Dousi and they assassinate to create

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Speaker 5: divisions all over the count in that they corrupt the

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Speaker 5: leaders with Neil Colombia, there's a many of them and

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Speaker 5: we have to think that. But don't be disheartened because

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Speaker 5: they're doing this. They're trying to maintain their power and

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Speaker 5: we have to try to build the power to free

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Speaker 5: ourselves and we can be ourselves. So and so where

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Speaker 5: the economic boycott I mean revenue U reminister out of

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Speaker 5: that Atlanta. Uh, I'm gonna get the name right now

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Speaker 5: and come to me, you know, and and revend a

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Speaker 5: couple of minutes are Giman boycott the Target and big

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Speaker 5: box places?

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Speaker 11: And yeah, you're talking about the Reverend Jamal Bryant a

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Speaker 11: tent away from the top, I remember, right.

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Speaker 5: And I'm doing the heavy set one. Uh I forget

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Speaker 5: his name too. Yeah, I mean we got some strong

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Speaker 5: ministers that are out there really teaching hard, teaching hard

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01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 5: and waking people up. Let teddy pendographics. They wake up everybody,

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01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 5: no more sleeping in bed, no more back of thinking,

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Speaker 5: type of thing, mad and in those type of movements

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Speaker 5: are going on and just small sectors because you don't

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Speaker 5: see it on TV. Don't mean we ain't doing anything.

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01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 5: They make you think you ain't doing anything, and nobody's

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01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 5: doing anything. We got a lot of people that are

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01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 5: trying to arganize, educate, motivate people who are be in

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Speaker 5: the movement. We just don't get the riot. I mean

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Speaker 5: seventy you know, they focused on us because they wanted

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Speaker 5: to make us an enemy so that they if they

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Speaker 5: infiltrate the organizations and manipulated organizations with philanthropic people like

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Speaker 5: Warning Brand or Gain Found they all got involved in

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Speaker 5: the Black in the seventies, you know, and changed the

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Speaker 5: Black Panther Party from a defense organization to one that

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01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,720
Speaker 5: began to say we can meet the system from with

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Speaker 5: the end and start running from a little go off

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Speaker 5: me and the same thing with UH. But there are

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Speaker 5: some organizations right that have maintained their value system. The

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Speaker 5: answer to the positive education out of Chicago, building independent

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Speaker 5: schools and using the charter system to open up schools

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01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:45,840
Speaker 5: like in Hotel in Philadelphia, one of the most outstanding

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Speaker 5: Black country schools.

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Speaker 11: Uh.

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Speaker 5: There are people that are going back, leading trips back

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01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 5: to the continent PSHWALKWASI and doctor. They go tobacco, they

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Speaker 5: take the relegations to steal going back to Africa. It's

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01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 5: the conscience rider. We have the final all front. We

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01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 5: have pigs right when he says it begins at home,

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01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:15,640
Speaker 5: but the home is dysfunctional. You know, how do we

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01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 5: correct that? And so it's a little thing, so we can't.

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Speaker 5: We can't correct all the homes. You know. The black

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01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:29,080
Speaker 5: farmers have a different agenda, you know, but our own agenda,

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01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 5: our own I think, as you said, quality is perfect.

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01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:36,360
Speaker 5: What is our purpose in life? To do good and

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01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 5: bring good into the world. And that's a struggle within

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Speaker 5: thisself and we all look to evolutionary change.

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Speaker 11: Right again. Professor Arman Raj seven minutes away from the

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Speaker 11: top of our family, just checking in on this Tuesday morning.

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Speaker 11: I guess it's Professor hmen and Rob Professor Raj's retired

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01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 11: professor at count State Lungeach. He said, sort of, you know,

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Speaker 11: painting a picture for us for twenty twenty six. We

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Speaker 11: should we're doing. My question to you, though, is should

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Speaker 11: we be forming coalitions with other groups? Because we're all

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01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 11: in this together. It's not just the black communities under

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01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:10,639
Speaker 11: attack when you come down to it, every single group

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01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 11: and we've seen them right in front of our faces.

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Speaker 11: We've seen other groups under attack. Should we join forces

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Speaker 11: with these other groups that are under attack as well?

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Speaker 11: Going forward in twenty twenty six? Your thoughts, of course we.

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Speaker 5: Should develop lines is but we always got to be

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01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:29,360
Speaker 5: able to make sure those are the lines are legitimate

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01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 5: and that they really will reciprocate. We've helped a lot

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01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:37,639
Speaker 5: of groups in the sixties and they in the seventies

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Speaker 5: we joined with Jesus Chambez and the Great Boycott, many

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Speaker 5: black conscious people did. We've both worked with the we fought,

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Speaker 5: we maintain and developed against the Vietnam Hall mid No

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Speaker 5: Map ME and the Man Vietnam War Margins, M King

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01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 5: and of the people did that. We've always open to

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Speaker 5: alliances and coalitions and things, but they got to be

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01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 5: principal and they got to reciprocate. Sometimes we help we

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Speaker 5: have we find in America Revolution, we find American civil rights,

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Speaker 5: I mean civil war. We find in all American wars

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Speaker 5: for their interests, and they never reciprocate.

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Speaker 12: Uh.

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Speaker 5: You know, leading us bought thought that we'd be did

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Speaker 5: uh you know that they would uh treat us fairly

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01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:37,160
Speaker 5: when you come back home uh this period, But they are.

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Speaker 5: What Trump is doing is being America. And we have

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01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 5: a just allusion of America based upon his creed and

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01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 5: all that is uh it's preambal to the constitutions, uh

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01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:57,160
Speaker 5: preambo and the decoration of independent that don't even kill

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01:27:57,320 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 5: us they never did in that it includes it only

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01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:09,599
Speaker 5: includes them, the the move of white power. They ain't

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01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 5: vote of Trump because of the economic condition, and they

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01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:20,560
Speaker 5: ain't vote with Trump because of uh uh of the

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Speaker 5: so called uh uh immigration issue. They voted Trump because

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Speaker 5: he was a racist in this country is a racist country,

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01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 5: and they never stop being a racist country. And they

1502
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 5: use all the institution's religion. As doctor Prancis Preswell's ain't said,

1503
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:44,479
Speaker 5: Racism is a bubbo dynamic and it's the one in

1504
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:49,360
Speaker 5: which they control institutions to promote white white power. Now

1505
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:52,800
Speaker 5: we and the people have to taste that and begin

1506
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:56,240
Speaker 5: to teach our children that no matter how if you

1507
01:28:56,320 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 5: don't want to alliance this coalition going there with because

1508
01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 5: you got yourself together, because they have magnifigated here. I mean,

1509
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:08,080
Speaker 5: white groups have always gotten the guide groups that in

1510
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 5: the spend room rever you know, they were the first

1511
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 5: presidents of the Yesue white people and uh, you know,

1512
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:19,680
Speaker 5: we got a lot of studying to do.

1513
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 11: Uh hold up the right there, professor. Because we're recover.

1514
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 11: We're to take the traffic and revenue our different cities

1515
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:28,519
Speaker 11: when we come back, though, what is something that we

1516
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:31,240
Speaker 11: can do instead of just pointing the folk the finger

1517
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 11: at white folks? What can black people do? What's in

1518
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:36,639
Speaker 11: our power to do? We've got a lot of brilliant

1519
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:39,599
Speaker 11: brothers and sisters on our side of the chess board.

1520
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:41,800
Speaker 11: We can make some moves too. So what is it

1521
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:44,080
Speaker 11: that we need to do instead of relying on waiting

1522
01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:47,640
Speaker 11: for a handout or help from white folks. That may

1523
01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:49,640
Speaker 11: sound harsh, but I know there's some things that we

1524
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:52,560
Speaker 11: can do self responsibility. I want you to address that

1525
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:55,920
Speaker 11: because it seems the default most for many folks as well.

1526
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 11: The white folks are one of the white folks. What

1527
01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:00,439
Speaker 11: can we do? That's where we're at now in twenty

1528
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 11: twenty six. I don't you address that? When we'll get

1529
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:04,360
Speaker 11: back three minutes away from the top of our family,

1530
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:07,120
Speaker 11: you two can join our conversation with Professor Alman Rah.

1531
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 11: Reach out to us at eight hundred and four or

1532
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:12,120
Speaker 11: five zero seventy eight seventy station. We'll take your phone

1533
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:14,719
Speaker 11: calls after we check the trafficking weather in different cities.

1534
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 11: It's next fifth day of Quanta. And of course you

1535
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:21,800
Speaker 11: know the're saying, how about I gani, which means what,

1536
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:25,200
Speaker 11: what's the news, what's going on? What's happening? And your

1537
01:30:25,240 --> 01:30:28,639
Speaker 11: response is nia which means purpose And it's the least

1538
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 11: response today for the fifth day of Quanta. Our guess

1539
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:34,439
Speaker 11: is Professor Almanron, Professor Aarmarrah is short of building a

1540
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 11: roadmap for us to for twenty twenty six what we

1541
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:40,920
Speaker 11: should be doing. And you know, before we left the break,

1542
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:43,479
Speaker 11: I'm asked him to give us the romance where we

1543
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:45,840
Speaker 11: can help what couling we do instead of saying, you know,

1544
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:48,599
Speaker 11: the white man, there's the white man there. Okay, can't

1545
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:50,559
Speaker 11: we can't control what other people do, but what can

1546
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:53,800
Speaker 11: we do? How let Professor Rah respond to that. When

1547
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:56,599
Speaker 11: you finish the Professor Arman Rah Money Mike in Baltimore

1548
01:30:56,640 --> 01:31:00,759
Speaker 11: has a question for you, So I let you respond, Well, it's.

1549
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:03,679
Speaker 5: An our things we can do and that we're doing

1550
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 5: firstus education, UH, to cultivate by consciousness among ourselves and

1551
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 5: mo ma, we got some people that are doing that.

1552
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:17,280
Speaker 5: Realizing we have big think the rate uh with different

1553
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 5: interests and support them. Groups that you think are doing

1554
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:27,960
Speaker 5: that need to be supported. Educate yourself, Educate good centers

1555
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:33,559
Speaker 5: and programs that are teaching. Acknowledge themselves and in your

1556
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:37,280
Speaker 5: and your capability. And look at the progress we've made

1557
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:41,120
Speaker 5: from the standpoint of the struggle, not the standpoint of

1558
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:46,280
Speaker 5: what eupions have done to promote Black people like entertainers

1559
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:49,920
Speaker 5: and athletes and uh even some of the people with

1560
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:54,759
Speaker 5: doctor's degree, but they need adopted. And I'm just saying

1561
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:58,960
Speaker 5: that we wanted education and then we have to mobilize.

1562
01:31:59,160 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 4: Uh.

1563
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:03,720
Speaker 5: And where you see a problem addressed that issue is

1564
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:06,080
Speaker 5: to say, you say, what should we do for twenty

1565
01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:10,200
Speaker 5: queen see, we must continue to struggle. It's a long

1566
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:15,400
Speaker 5: protracted struggle. But you may not, as some leaders say,

1567
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:19,320
Speaker 5: you may not be war, but you've done any war,

1568
01:32:19,479 --> 01:32:23,000
Speaker 5: and one not necessary one in which you pick up

1569
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:27,160
Speaker 5: arms and things of nature, you pick up mental uh

1570
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:35,360
Speaker 5: and cultural weapons. For instance, that if if if you're

1571
01:32:35,439 --> 01:32:38,960
Speaker 5: happy with who you are, I mean, you know your

1572
01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:42,960
Speaker 5: issue is not tattoos, spending going five hundred dollars on

1573
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 5: tattoos and and hair colors and things that nature. You

1574
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:51,160
Speaker 5: realize all the money, everything that we have must go

1575
01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 5: towards us loving who we are, what we look like,

1576
01:32:56,560 --> 01:33:00,640
Speaker 5: and don't try to alter our physical appearance and and

1577
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:04,040
Speaker 5: things just mentioned. But that's one of them. The education

1578
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:07,360
Speaker 5: that you know, we are beautiful, you know, we have

1579
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:10,720
Speaker 5: that slogan in the city, were black and beautiful. Like

1580
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:15,000
Speaker 5: we have to get people to love and respect and

1581
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 5: study our progress, study the people that's doing something. You're

1582
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:22,559
Speaker 5: not going to get it on TV. And I think

1583
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:26,360
Speaker 5: Bill Scott said the revolution will not be shuttle buy

1584
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:29,519
Speaker 5: and they won't be on that. But so we have

1585
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:35,800
Speaker 5: to use every tool that's out there, Facebook, Instagram, uh.

1586
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:38,840
Speaker 5: And some people are doing a good job. They're doing that,

1587
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:43,240
Speaker 5: but at the same time, the system makes you think

1588
01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:47,760
Speaker 5: that they're not conscious. People out there are hungry for

1589
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:52,040
Speaker 5: knowledge and wisdom. There are young people out there that

1590
01:33:52,280 --> 01:33:55,519
Speaker 5: that are out there that few The other day I

1591
01:33:55,640 --> 01:34:01,519
Speaker 5: get each palp art my grandmother, or I want some book,

1592
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:05,720
Speaker 5: sorry it wouldn't my library and did some books. But

1593
01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:10,000
Speaker 5: you know, you register people to vote. And now I

1594
01:34:10,120 --> 01:34:13,679
Speaker 5: say we have to fight on all front and quit

1595
01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:18,920
Speaker 5: getting mad or upset because people have different interests. But

1596
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 5: the goal is it doesn't have been into us, even

1597
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:26,560
Speaker 5: if their interest is not what you're fighting for and

1598
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:32,000
Speaker 5: maybe fighting for, you know, the health, nutrition and health.

1599
01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:36,439
Speaker 5: That's a revolution for thisself. But we eat different and

1600
01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:42,040
Speaker 5: if we dress different, you know, like all our our

1601
01:34:42,160 --> 01:34:47,680
Speaker 5: procentric shops that's in the Mert parking away and downtown

1602
01:34:48,360 --> 01:34:52,200
Speaker 5: of New York and Chicago, which is important. You should

1603
01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:56,559
Speaker 5: be dressing up. You have freedom to be yourself and.

1604
01:34:56,680 --> 01:35:00,640
Speaker 11: You know you do things that be and hold that

1605
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:02,320
Speaker 11: suf out that because I want to bring him money, Mike,

1606
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:05,040
Speaker 11: because you know, because people who are probably listening to

1607
01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:09,320
Speaker 11: the right how for for Professor Armanra and they are saying, well,

1608
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:12,200
Speaker 11: if that works, then but we need a different we

1609
01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:15,840
Speaker 11: need a different attitude to attack the problems of fation today.

1610
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:17,880
Speaker 11: But that's my thought and I'll let you talk about

1611
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:20,240
Speaker 11: that later. But let's hear what money Mike's got to say.

1612
01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:23,680
Speaker 11: He's calling from Baltimore. ISA Online one grantize your money. Mike,

1613
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:26,080
Speaker 11: You on with Professor Ahmanrah.

1614
01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:29,599
Speaker 4: Good morning, Carl, Good morning, Professor. How y'all doing.

1615
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:33,919
Speaker 5: Right? All right? Professor?

1616
01:35:34,040 --> 01:35:37,519
Speaker 4: Can you expound on the fact that this country is

1617
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:41,960
Speaker 4: racist and that Trump, Donald Trump make America great did

1618
01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:44,680
Speaker 4: not mean that he was putting us back on a plantation.

1619
01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:48,519
Speaker 4: He was going to give white people what they think

1620
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:51,640
Speaker 4: is that God give him given right preferential choice with

1621
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:56,280
Speaker 4: everything from housing to education to healthcare. That's what it

1622
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:59,080
Speaker 4: meant to make America great again. And we don't seem

1623
01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:02,600
Speaker 4: to understand that, professor, that this country is still predicated

1624
01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:06,919
Speaker 4: on racism, and racism means that white people shall dominate

1625
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:09,559
Speaker 4: and be on top. And until we get that through

1626
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:13,719
Speaker 4: our heads, we're gonna keep on voting, which gets us somewhere,

1627
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:18,639
Speaker 4: gets us nowhere, because the only way that politics changes

1628
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:22,800
Speaker 4: is through money economics. So I'll take your response off

1629
01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:24,519
Speaker 4: fair or if you want me to hold on, I'll

1630
01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:26,479
Speaker 4: I'll continue to listen and respond back.

1631
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:32,120
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, worst, I appreciates your question about the thinking record,

1632
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:35,719
Speaker 5: and you know, you make some good points with regard

1633
01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:41,120
Speaker 5: to Trump, but Trump is no different than other white president.

1634
01:36:42,240 --> 01:36:47,439
Speaker 5: Uh and like he gets more overt you know, and

1635
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:50,599
Speaker 5: and all that stuff about making America great. He didn't

1636
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:54,240
Speaker 5: say make America good again, you know, great and good.

1637
01:36:54,360 --> 01:36:58,799
Speaker 5: Don't go to say saying great. You're just you know, power,

1638
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:04,200
Speaker 5: you know, exhasizing its power over the world and global.

1639
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:13,040
Speaker 4: Student professor, this is the point that I'm trying to

1640
01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:16,080
Speaker 4: make see. And in the last thirty to forty years,

1641
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:19,439
Speaker 4: white people, white men expressed it could get out to

1642
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:22,240
Speaker 4: drop out of school with an eighth grade education, and

1643
01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:25,599
Speaker 4: they could go into a plant to Bethlehem Steel Domino

1644
01:37:25,680 --> 01:37:28,760
Speaker 4: Sugar here in Baltimore, and they could become a supervisor

1645
01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:32,760
Speaker 4: foreman telling black people and lower class white people what

1646
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:35,960
Speaker 4: to do. No longer can they do that. Nobody has

1647
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:39,040
Speaker 4: informed them that they need to be educated. So that's

1648
01:37:39,080 --> 01:37:42,480
Speaker 4: what the EI is about. Black women have taken advantage

1649
01:37:43,240 --> 01:37:46,320
Speaker 4: of the fact of going to college and benefiting themselves.

1650
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:49,719
Speaker 4: Black men, unfortunately, it's gonna hurt, but it's the truth

1651
01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:53,639
Speaker 4: have not done that. They haven't and so now they're

1652
01:37:53,800 --> 01:37:57,960
Speaker 4: economically disadvantaged and white people are too. And that's what

1653
01:37:58,200 --> 01:38:00,559
Speaker 4: what make America great again, It's to be able.

1654
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:01,479
Speaker 9: They think that.

1655
01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:05,840
Speaker 4: Immigration has hurt their job chances. And when white people

1656
01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:08,280
Speaker 4: used to stay white women used to stay home, and

1657
01:38:08,360 --> 01:38:11,880
Speaker 4: a white man supported the family, everything was hockey dory.

1658
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:14,880
Speaker 4: It was just fine. Now that white woman has to

1659
01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:17,679
Speaker 4: go to work. Their white daughter has gone to college,

1660
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:20,880
Speaker 4: but she can't find a suitable mate because their son

1661
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:23,680
Speaker 4: is sitting at home on the couch smoking weed and

1662
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:26,920
Speaker 4: playing video games. So her choices are limited, and that

1663
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:29,880
Speaker 4: makes white men mad. So when Trump came out and

1664
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:33,200
Speaker 4: talked about the things he talked about, the outvert racist,

1665
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:36,160
Speaker 4: they feel comfortable. They thought it was about it, and

1666
01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:39,080
Speaker 4: they thought about him getting rid of immigrant immigrants, that

1667
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:42,400
Speaker 4: their job chances were gonna improve. But that's no longer

1668
01:38:42,479 --> 01:38:45,240
Speaker 4: the case. AI is gonna leave them behind as well

1669
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:48,519
Speaker 4: as other people. And now they're discharged and depressed. And

1670
01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:51,080
Speaker 4: when somebody tells you what you want to hear, we

1671
01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:51,800
Speaker 4: wrote for them.

1672
01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:57,719
Speaker 11: That's my point, all right, professor, you hear what money

1673
01:38:57,760 --> 01:38:59,840
Speaker 11: Mike said, So what say you?

1674
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:05,160
Speaker 5: Well he did. He is telling white people what they

1675
01:39:05,200 --> 01:39:08,320
Speaker 5: want to hear. That we're gonna make America great again.

1676
01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:10,680
Speaker 5: We're gonna make it white again, We're gonna make the

1677
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:14,200
Speaker 5: world white again. We're gonna bomb people and there ain't

1678
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:18,400
Speaker 5: nobody gonna say nothing about it. We're gonna bomb Africa.

1679
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:21,760
Speaker 5: They've been bombing in Africa. They bombed US people in

1680
01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:27,080
Speaker 5: Telsa right here. But it's mental bombs also. But I

1681
01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:30,599
Speaker 5: mean money might it right? I mean it's an economic struggle.

1682
01:39:30,640 --> 01:39:35,400
Speaker 5: But we got people struggling on economic issues of trying

1683
01:39:35,439 --> 01:39:38,560
Speaker 5: to raise funds and things of nature. And you you know,

1684
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:41,920
Speaker 5: it's it's got to be a vehicle of trust. That's

1685
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:45,120
Speaker 5: why when Reverend Pinckney was on, he said it begins

1686
01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:48,920
Speaker 5: at home, and he's correct, but it's not a home,

1687
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:53,639
Speaker 5: it's a household because it's different structures. You got single parents,

1688
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:58,439
Speaker 5: you got kids living in aunts and uncles and and

1689
01:39:58,760 --> 01:40:01,400
Speaker 5: things this nature because of a variety of reasons. So

1690
01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:05,960
Speaker 5: their education, to me, let's let's let's go with the

1691
01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:09,840
Speaker 5: on side of black kids that are being raised in

1692
01:40:09,960 --> 01:40:15,160
Speaker 5: falster homes and placement not even with a relative. Do

1693
01:40:15,320 --> 01:40:19,360
Speaker 5: we have a standard and a value system to measure

1694
01:40:20,280 --> 01:40:23,920
Speaker 5: what those parents are those people that are over the

1695
01:40:24,040 --> 01:40:27,800
Speaker 5: foster homes and placement homes are teaching the children? Are

1696
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:32,000
Speaker 5: they just collecting a check for that kids and letting

1697
01:40:32,040 --> 01:40:38,200
Speaker 5: them go to European schools and not are not not

1698
01:40:38,439 --> 01:40:42,519
Speaker 5: raising them to be conscious and political and culture. So

1699
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:46,240
Speaker 5: our gender is one in which, as now I can say,

1700
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:49,800
Speaker 5: we must must be educated. He said. The worst thing

1701
01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:52,680
Speaker 5: the system learned that did was let me learn how

1702
01:40:52,720 --> 01:40:56,280
Speaker 5: to read. So now what is what? What are we reading?

1703
01:40:56,920 --> 01:41:00,320
Speaker 5: And things is neatly? I mean like that. Of course,

1704
01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:05,120
Speaker 5: white racism has always been here as the Native American

1705
01:41:05,240 --> 01:41:08,360
Speaker 5: after us and things this nature. I don't think Trump

1706
01:41:08,520 --> 01:41:12,760
Speaker 5: is doing and making white folks feel good about themselves

1707
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:16,120
Speaker 5: when he bombed and put put people out of the

1708
01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:19,960
Speaker 5: country and things of this nature. And his own wife

1709
01:41:20,040 --> 01:41:23,799
Speaker 5: and the family's an immigrant. His daddy was a Nazi

1710
01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:27,680
Speaker 5: and a racist, I mean, and they vote for him,

1711
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:31,400
Speaker 5: So what was they voting for? Why did they? Why

1712
01:41:31,439 --> 01:41:35,559
Speaker 5: did and some black and Latinos vote for him? Why

1713
01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:40,720
Speaker 5: why would that? Because they're victims of cultural genocide and

1714
01:41:40,920 --> 01:41:44,880
Speaker 5: doctor us have been wrote in his book cultural Genocide,

1715
01:41:45,560 --> 01:41:49,440
Speaker 5: uh uh and our culturation. They see themselves as Americans,

1716
01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:53,200
Speaker 5: even though they don't get the rights to the benefit

1717
01:41:53,320 --> 01:41:54,200
Speaker 5: of being America.

1718
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Speaker 11: They just jumping here for a second, Professor amenrant fourteen

1719
01:41:59,120 --> 01:42:02,040
Speaker 11: after top there we know all that, we know everything,

1720
01:42:02,160 --> 01:42:04,560
Speaker 11: she said, it's possibly true. We know all that, But

1721
01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:06,840
Speaker 11: I'm trying to figure out what what role do we

1722
01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:10,080
Speaker 11: play since what you said, your precions are the choir, this,

1723
01:42:10,360 --> 01:42:14,240
Speaker 11: this audience, they know all of that. So profess Amada,

1724
01:42:14,360 --> 01:42:14,840
Speaker 11: help us out.

1725
01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:15,880
Speaker 5: What do we do?

1726
01:42:16,240 --> 01:42:18,679
Speaker 11: What can what can we do as as a people

1727
01:42:18,840 --> 01:42:22,400
Speaker 11: collectively or individually as black folks because there's no worry

1728
01:42:22,439 --> 01:42:24,760
Speaker 11: about the other folks right now? What can we do

1729
01:42:25,479 --> 01:42:28,720
Speaker 11: today and going forward into twenty twenty six? Well, you've

1730
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:31,519
Speaker 11: mentioned everything that I said, and I said again it's true.

1731
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:32,840
Speaker 11: So what's our move?

1732
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:36,400
Speaker 5: First of all, we have to win the hearty mind

1733
01:42:36,479 --> 01:42:40,080
Speaker 5: of people back. And that's what love, respect, and and

1734
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:48,839
Speaker 5: and it's demonstrating that understanding that there are different groups

1735
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:53,800
Speaker 5: that are doing excellent work in the community and organizing

1736
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:57,200
Speaker 5: as much as they can. Because we don't see it

1737
01:42:57,240 --> 01:43:01,280
Speaker 5: on TV, we think we ain't doing things. Many black groups,

1738
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:05,920
Speaker 5: many black churches, they have a black agenda and they're

1739
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:09,400
Speaker 5: doing things. You can't argue against Reverend Barbara and Brother

1740
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:13,599
Speaker 5: Brian all Abanda. You can't argue about Renin right out

1741
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:17,240
Speaker 5: in Chicago. I mean, they're doing the best they can.

1742
01:43:18,320 --> 01:43:21,400
Speaker 5: You've got black groops. Now, what can we do we

1743
01:43:21,560 --> 01:43:24,040
Speaker 5: can do, first of all, get ourselves together and being

1744
01:43:24,040 --> 01:43:27,920
Speaker 5: a better example for our children and teach them what

1745
01:43:28,120 --> 01:43:32,639
Speaker 5: we know and teach them even if they ain't like kids,

1746
01:43:33,200 --> 01:43:39,880
Speaker 5: study groups, steady family through through a households and you've

1747
01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:42,840
Speaker 5: done a sense of love and respect for each other.

1748
01:43:43,320 --> 01:43:45,840
Speaker 5: Look at the positive and the goodness that we do.

1749
01:43:46,439 --> 01:43:50,600
Speaker 5: You talk about what Look at the black people, the

1750
01:43:50,720 --> 01:43:53,559
Speaker 5: black men that's had more house and the black men

1751
01:43:53,680 --> 01:43:57,560
Speaker 5: that are going to college and getting an education, and

1752
01:43:57,960 --> 01:44:01,200
Speaker 5: the very sowaranty. You've got one hundred like men. You

1753
01:44:01,360 --> 01:44:06,240
Speaker 5: got a as a national organization, you got you got

1754
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:13,920
Speaker 5: Mike colleges, even though many of them were in my wife, professor.

1755
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:15,400
Speaker 5: We got to take a short band and we come back.

1756
01:44:15,400 --> 01:44:17,679
Speaker 5: I'm trying to figure out what we can do because

1757
01:44:17,680 --> 01:44:20,479
Speaker 5: see the default position is to blame the man all

1758
01:44:20,520 --> 01:44:23,280
Speaker 5: the time, and that that that when we do that,

1759
01:44:23,439 --> 01:44:25,280
Speaker 5: that means we can sit back and think the man

1760
01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:26,080
Speaker 5: is going to change.

1761
01:44:26,439 --> 01:44:28,040
Speaker 11: The man ain't going to change. We've been here four

1762
01:44:28,120 --> 01:44:30,439
Speaker 11: hundred years. He ain't not going to change. What can

1763
01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:33,559
Speaker 11: We have some brilliant brothers and sisters out there who

1764
01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:36,120
Speaker 11: can come up with ideas for us. Twenty twenty six

1765
01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:38,600
Speaker 11: is around the corner. We know one needs to know

1766
01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:41,360
Speaker 11: what we can do without pointing a finger at Damn

1767
01:44:41,439 --> 01:44:44,439
Speaker 11: and other folks or the Latinos. What can black people?

1768
01:44:44,439 --> 01:44:45,599
Speaker 11: That's where I'm at this morning.

1769
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:46,640
Speaker 6: What can we do?

1770
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:49,600
Speaker 11: What can you tell us that we can do to

1771
01:44:49,880 --> 01:44:52,599
Speaker 11: change our situation? You mentioned the garything that was good.

1772
01:44:52,840 --> 01:44:55,000
Speaker 11: We need to have a consensus in a black agenda.

1773
01:44:55,280 --> 01:44:57,840
Speaker 11: How do we achieve that you can knit those things together?

1774
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:00,840
Speaker 11: Appreciate it when we come back. Jeane and Phikesville, Maryland

1775
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:03,719
Speaker 11: also wants to join the conversation. And you too can do. Family.

1776
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:05,680
Speaker 11: You can reach out to us at eight hundred four

1777
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:08,760
Speaker 11: or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll taking

1778
01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:12,160
Speaker 11: phone calls next and Grand Rising Family at twenty one

1779
01:45:12,200 --> 01:45:14,240
Speaker 11: minutes off the top of the air on this Tuesday morning,

1780
01:45:14,280 --> 01:45:16,479
Speaker 11: as we race to the end of the year, I

1781
01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:20,160
Speaker 11: guess it's Professor Ahman Raw Professor Mraz discussing what plans

1782
01:45:20,200 --> 01:45:22,479
Speaker 11: that black people have to do put forward as we

1783
01:45:22,600 --> 01:45:26,439
Speaker 11: move into twenty twenty twenty six because the other groups,

1784
01:45:26,640 --> 01:45:29,720
Speaker 11: they're coming up with their plans for their folks and

1785
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:32,960
Speaker 11: instead of pointing the finger like most of the conversation.

1786
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:35,519
Speaker 11: I hope I'm not being too hot on the family

1787
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:37,640
Speaker 11: this morning. But instead of pointing the finger, what the

1788
01:45:37,720 --> 01:45:39,200
Speaker 11: man is doing, what the white man is doing, and

1789
01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:41,360
Speaker 11: all of this kind of stuff, what can we do?

1790
01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:43,479
Speaker 11: There are some things, the tangible things.

1791
01:45:43,360 --> 01:45:43,920
Speaker 8: That we can do.

1792
01:45:44,360 --> 01:45:47,560
Speaker 11: And I keep reiterating, we have some brilliant brothers and

1793
01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:49,680
Speaker 11: sisters out there who can handle this, who can take

1794
01:45:49,720 --> 01:45:51,560
Speaker 11: care of this. So we've got to figure out a

1795
01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:55,040
Speaker 11: way what we can do. So Professor hm in Raw,

1796
01:45:55,240 --> 01:45:57,360
Speaker 11: I'm gonna you respond to that, because that's what we're

1797
01:45:57,360 --> 01:46:00,320
Speaker 11: looking for. We're looking for solutions because you know what

1798
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:03,080
Speaker 11: they're doing, and it's across the board. We're not the

1799
01:46:03,160 --> 01:46:05,400
Speaker 11: only ones affected. You see what's happening to the other teens.

1800
01:46:05,479 --> 01:46:07,960
Speaker 11: You see what's happening to the Asians. They're not affected

1801
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:10,960
Speaker 11: as much as we are there and they probably argue

1802
01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:14,080
Speaker 11: that question too, But what if they're already plot and

1803
01:46:14,240 --> 01:46:16,599
Speaker 11: planning how they're going to survive in twenty twenty six?

1804
01:46:16,720 --> 01:46:19,120
Speaker 11: My question is what are we doing and what do

1805
01:46:19,240 --> 01:46:21,240
Speaker 11: we need to do? So I let you responded that

1806
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:23,439
Speaker 11: the price they want you to join the conversation.

1807
01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:27,840
Speaker 5: First of all, we are doing things you know, it

1808
01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:30,040
Speaker 5: makes you think you're not doing things. We have to

1809
01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:35,200
Speaker 5: put your positive argumentations out there and the individual and

1810
01:46:35,360 --> 01:46:37,640
Speaker 5: we have to begin to understand that. We have to

1811
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:40,880
Speaker 5: look for and we have to look in local papers,

1812
01:46:41,320 --> 01:46:44,320
Speaker 5: go to argumentations on me, and you get involved and

1813
01:46:44,479 --> 01:46:47,719
Speaker 5: support those that are doing righteous things and good things.

1814
01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:52,920
Speaker 5: And that's the thing I think you everything you say,

1815
01:46:53,320 --> 01:46:57,360
Speaker 5: educate our young the futures, our young people. You know

1816
01:46:57,479 --> 01:47:00,320
Speaker 5: I'm sending you seven Now we're a monk. The hell

1817
01:47:00,400 --> 01:47:03,479
Speaker 5: reaches a lot of our leaders of the sixties and

1818
01:47:03,560 --> 01:47:06,439
Speaker 5: seventies up there in the eight But at the same time,

1819
01:47:06,520 --> 01:47:11,920
Speaker 5: the struggle must continue, and we keep thinking that we're

1820
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:15,320
Speaker 5: gonna unify all of our people at one time. They

1821
01:47:15,400 --> 01:47:17,840
Speaker 5: don't go that way. Everybody was in buying the civil

1822
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:20,960
Speaker 5: rights movement. Manus a King. We didn't go to the

1823
01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:24,000
Speaker 5: book from Birmingham jail. He was writing the black preachers

1824
01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:28,200
Speaker 5: who told him not to come into Birmcham and creed problems.

1825
01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:32,639
Speaker 5: The same thing with the midicine us parent con them.

1826
01:47:33,240 --> 01:47:35,960
Speaker 5: You know that that thing is you know, uh nation,

1827
01:47:36,160 --> 01:47:38,640
Speaker 5: this law you know it was built off of the

1828
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:43,479
Speaker 5: Barker's Gallery movement. I mean, I'm we're doing some positive things.

1829
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:48,960
Speaker 5: That's my point. Second, continue the struggle, build a cultural movement,

1830
01:47:49,040 --> 01:47:52,559
Speaker 5: a Black power movement, a black cultural movement, a value

1831
01:47:52,640 --> 01:47:59,880
Speaker 5: system within yourself. It seem we're gonna have to eat

1832
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:03,479
Speaker 5: one teach one At Kaki. My Hollybootee used to say,

1833
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:07,680
Speaker 5: we have an obligation to be an example of a

1834
01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:12,320
Speaker 5: mirror for the young people as far as our conduct,

1835
01:48:12,479 --> 01:48:16,439
Speaker 5: our value system, our hiathic system. But when you have

1836
01:48:17,400 --> 01:48:21,680
Speaker 5: some families and some people that discourage you because you

1837
01:48:21,800 --> 01:48:26,479
Speaker 5: got daddies that are can't get their children or not

1838
01:48:26,840 --> 01:48:29,760
Speaker 5: in the home. You have a marriage problem. A lot

1839
01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:33,760
Speaker 5: of brothers are not getting married in the city. What

1840
01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:36,639
Speaker 5: you grew up with, you know, to find a wife

1841
01:48:36,720 --> 01:48:40,080
Speaker 5: and the build a home and educate and teach them

1842
01:48:40,240 --> 01:48:43,360
Speaker 5: the consciousness that they should have. And we have some

1843
01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:47,600
Speaker 5: people that are doing that. Quanita for instance, and the

1844
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:54,479
Speaker 5: unifying our holiday of seven days celebrating seven principles will

1845
01:48:54,560 --> 01:48:58,160
Speaker 5: mow your unity. You know, to strive for unity. They

1846
01:48:58,200 --> 01:49:00,160
Speaker 5: didn't say you're going to get in right away. You

1847
01:49:00,280 --> 01:49:02,799
Speaker 5: have to work at that. You have to be patient

1848
01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:06,600
Speaker 5: and understanding that everybody's not gonna unify with you. Just

1849
01:49:06,880 --> 01:49:10,040
Speaker 5: renite with those that will unite with you. And when

1850
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:13,120
Speaker 5: you say solutions that people out there working on solutions,

1851
01:49:13,200 --> 01:49:17,000
Speaker 5: car They're working on the solutions of black people suffering

1852
01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:21,280
Speaker 5: from aid, black people suffering from homelessness. He's got black

1853
01:49:21,439 --> 01:49:25,839
Speaker 5: organizations collecting clothes and trying to help those that the homeless.

1854
01:49:26,240 --> 01:49:30,320
Speaker 5: And you got right, some some black philanthropic people that

1855
01:49:30,520 --> 01:49:34,280
Speaker 5: make our donations all doable. That you've got a billion

1856
01:49:34,360 --> 01:49:39,839
Speaker 5: are in Nigeria that uh is uh building the schools

1857
01:49:39,920 --> 01:49:44,120
Speaker 5: and building the political organization. He's putting his money up

1858
01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:48,400
Speaker 5: uh uh uh. You know, uh. We have to find

1859
01:49:48,479 --> 01:49:51,679
Speaker 5: on our front and and and the beautiful thing about

1860
01:49:51,720 --> 01:49:54,880
Speaker 5: it is that our sea progress. I see us moving

1861
01:49:55,040 --> 01:49:59,400
Speaker 5: toward that because you've got black organizations that are doing

1862
01:50:00,040 --> 01:50:03,800
Speaker 5: do work, excellent work. You cannot argue that the right

1863
01:50:05,320 --> 01:50:09,519
Speaker 5: Right Lives Matter movement is not a strong movement to me,

1864
01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:13,400
Speaker 5: even though they had some internal problems and he's gonna

1865
01:50:13,400 --> 01:50:17,600
Speaker 5: have and we had that in sicty agent brovacateurs and

1866
01:50:17,720 --> 01:50:21,320
Speaker 5: people corrupting our black organizations aside, and they're not leaders,

1867
01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:25,639
Speaker 5: but we still move forward. And that in our struggle

1868
01:50:25,760 --> 01:50:29,519
Speaker 5: is to get freedom for what to be ourselves. We

1869
01:50:29,640 --> 01:50:33,000
Speaker 5: want peace, we want love, we want families to grow

1870
01:50:33,120 --> 01:50:37,439
Speaker 5: up without worrying about being facted out. Now, as far

1871
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:40,719
Speaker 5: as other groups, what they're doing, yeah, you have something.

1872
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:43,680
Speaker 5: They're doing the same thing we're doing. If if the

1873
01:50:43,800 --> 01:50:48,280
Speaker 5: Latino groups were strong, they wouldn't they wouldn't be putting

1874
01:50:48,320 --> 01:50:50,560
Speaker 5: them out the country the way they're doing. They're not

1875
01:50:50,760 --> 01:50:54,920
Speaker 5: that strong. They did divided on that. He've got Latinos

1876
01:50:54,960 --> 01:50:59,680
Speaker 5: to support, uh, deportations, you know, and Quod thinking that

1877
01:50:59,840 --> 01:51:02,280
Speaker 5: we the black people have to all think a light

1878
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:06,400
Speaker 5: at one time and things nature. That's not treat them.

1879
01:51:07,479 --> 01:51:09,519
Speaker 5: I don't have a problem with black people going and

1880
01:51:10,439 --> 01:51:12,960
Speaker 5: and and doing their thing with white people are doing

1881
01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:15,800
Speaker 5: they thing with the other other groups and marrying other

1882
01:51:15,880 --> 01:51:19,760
Speaker 5: groups and doing that. Uh, that's on them. But at

1883
01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:24,040
Speaker 5: the same time, I'm basally focusing on the black agenda

1884
01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:27,839
Speaker 5: and the black agendas. What was to develop a cultural

1885
01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:32,759
Speaker 5: movement in which we rise and virtualize ourselves and study

1886
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:35,720
Speaker 5: the good that we're doing. I mean the black one

1887
01:51:35,800 --> 01:51:38,720
Speaker 5: hunder we us have one hundred black colleges. Now, I

1888
01:51:38,760 --> 01:51:41,840
Speaker 5: think it's down the age somewhat, maybe at the most ninety.

1889
01:51:42,520 --> 01:51:46,160
Speaker 5: But at the same time, they've never really expanded into

1890
01:51:46,240 --> 01:51:51,680
Speaker 5: the urban areas and into offering uh classes and co

1891
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:56,679
Speaker 5: and degrees uh uh and in the cities they stayed

1892
01:51:56,760 --> 01:52:00,440
Speaker 5: deeply in the south and most of them were uhlan

1893
01:52:01,000 --> 01:52:05,080
Speaker 5: grant or Christian schools and uh and and you know

1894
01:52:05,400 --> 01:52:09,040
Speaker 5: which is good. But they turned out some great black leaders,

1895
01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:13,679
Speaker 5: you understand, and to take to use it. The problem

1896
01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:18,880
Speaker 5: is our people have a uh telling of our people.

1897
01:52:19,320 --> 01:52:24,000
Speaker 5: I'm mentelly, we ain't doing nothing because they ain't studying

1898
01:52:24,240 --> 01:52:28,000
Speaker 5: and seeing what we're doing and what people are doing.

1899
01:52:28,240 --> 01:52:31,400
Speaker 5: We got a lot of a lot of efforts uh

1900
01:52:32,840 --> 01:52:36,599
Speaker 5: rearguing we just celebrate the me and man march. Uh

1901
01:52:37,439 --> 01:52:40,360
Speaker 5: you know, but they had a pledge, they had a.

1902
01:52:40,800 --> 01:52:44,040
Speaker 11: Right right and I get all that, Professor Omana. I

1903
01:52:44,120 --> 01:52:46,360
Speaker 11: just don't want to be I'm not trying to be cynical.

1904
01:52:46,439 --> 01:52:49,560
Speaker 11: But our people are looking for tangibles. They're looking for

1905
01:52:49,800 --> 01:52:53,040
Speaker 11: what can we do. What we're twenty twenty six is

1906
01:52:53,120 --> 01:52:55,360
Speaker 11: next door other groups are preparing.

1907
01:52:55,479 --> 01:52:56,160
Speaker 6: They know what it is.

1908
01:52:56,320 --> 01:52:59,679
Speaker 11: Instead of you know, many times we bally ache about

1909
01:52:59,720 --> 01:53:01,960
Speaker 11: what man ain't doing the mine man's got his friend

1910
01:53:02,000 --> 01:53:05,200
Speaker 11: on our America. The show continues, and that's fine and dandy,

1911
01:53:05,640 --> 01:53:08,919
Speaker 11: but people, especially our young people, they want to see results.

1912
01:53:09,240 --> 01:53:11,240
Speaker 11: They want to say, Hey, we're going to do this,

1913
01:53:11,600 --> 01:53:14,519
Speaker 11: let's go for it. Hey to do we do the

1914
01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:17,000
Speaker 11: seventy two meeting again, Hey, do we come up with

1915
01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:19,640
Speaker 11: a black agenda? If so, what what are the what

1916
01:53:19,760 --> 01:53:22,599
Speaker 11: are the underpinnings of the black agenda? And how can

1917
01:53:22,640 --> 01:53:24,680
Speaker 11: we implement them once once we agree on the.

1918
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Speaker 8: Black they want to take.

1919
01:53:25,920 --> 01:53:28,080
Speaker 11: They're looking for tangible. That's that's what our young people.

1920
01:53:28,360 --> 01:53:30,559
Speaker 11: They don't want to hear about this about the man

1921
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Speaker 11: because because for many of them, that's not that's not

1922
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Speaker 11: their reality that there. They came up with a Barack Obama,

1923
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Speaker 11: a black man in the White House. So that's the

1924
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Speaker 11: reality that you and I grew up with. That's not

1925
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Speaker 11: their reality. That's not what they see. So they looking

1926
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Speaker 11: for something different. And as you mentioned, the young people,

1927
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Speaker 11: we have to get them engaged to make these changes.

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Speaker 11: So if you can address that real quick for us,

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Speaker 11: because we've got doctor David Horne on.

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Speaker 4: Deck and.

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Speaker 5: Do have contractness and that are doing positive things. We

1932
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Speaker 5: keep thinking that the young people are the divised to it.

1933
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Speaker 5: They are some that are into drugs and into partying

1934
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Speaker 5: and into materialism. Yeah, and that's a lot of money

1935
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Speaker 5: into that. But we have people like Jasmine Craft who's

1936
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Speaker 5: trying to get in the political position to do good.

1937
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Speaker 5: You have other young people that have been active politically

1938
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Speaker 5: that try to get the resources on a local level

1939
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Speaker 5: and contribute them to black organizations and black individuals and

1940
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Speaker 5: black education institutions and cultural institutions. You have the International

1941
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Speaker 5: Festival in New York. It's annually. Although it's a festival,

1942
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Speaker 5: they enjoy it. We have to rebuild the Watch Festival.

1943
01:54:47,880 --> 01:54:51,280
Speaker 5: We have to begin to attract our people to places

1944
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Speaker 5: where they can get educated. And when again many of

1945
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Speaker 5: them didn't get educated, you're not going to get them

1946
01:54:58,600 --> 01:55:01,720
Speaker 5: all they got. I mean we got. You be surprised

1947
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Speaker 5: with the mentality that some of our people have. They

1948
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:09,440
Speaker 5: they're comfortable in their oppression. They be freedom of the

1949
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Speaker 5: choice of three taco, Bill and McDonald and not freedom

1950
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Speaker 5: to be yourself that you can trans it up like

1951
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Speaker 5: an African. You don't have to go get spend five

1952
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Speaker 5: and six hundred dollars on faith here and and and

1953
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Speaker 5: and two and three hundred dollars for a bunch of

1954
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Speaker 5: tattoos that ain't nobody read uh and know and use

1955
01:55:30,440 --> 01:55:32,720
Speaker 5: your body in the builder. We have to begin to

1956
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Speaker 5: finance our movement, and I meant change our economic way,

1957
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Speaker 5: change out.

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Speaker 11: I have to credit right there. But one thing we

1959
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Speaker 11: agree on, Professor, there are so many of our people

1960
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Speaker 11: who are just happy where they are, as doctor Wilson

1961
01:55:50,400 --> 01:55:53,000
Speaker 11: taught us, They're just looking for a better section, a

1962
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Speaker 11: better seat in this system of racism, white supremacy, or

1963
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Speaker 11: just a bigger biscuit, if you will, and they content

1964
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Speaker 11: with their repression as you mentioned it. But before I

1965
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Speaker 11: let you go, how can folks reach you? Because I

1966
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Speaker 11: know if people want to continue this conversation with you

1967
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Speaker 11: about this, yeah, you know what's going on for twenty

1968
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Speaker 11: twenty six on the plans that we should have as

1969
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Speaker 11: black people. How can they reach you?

1970
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Speaker 5: Ain't simple? Well, first of all, I'm and Raw. I'm

1971
01:56:18,800 --> 01:56:21,960
Speaker 5: professor for thirty four years at the California State University

1972
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Speaker 5: Longbeat and was now called Africana Stundys Department when I

1973
01:56:26,480 --> 01:56:30,680
Speaker 5: started it with Black Lundy requirement and my phone number

1974
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Speaker 5: is three ten five year oh five two three five eight.

1975
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Speaker 5: I'm also going to be reached through the Culture Center

1976
01:56:38,280 --> 01:56:44,440
Speaker 5: and the organization of in Los Angeles, and you can

1977
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Speaker 5: go on the website dot org. I work very close

1978
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Speaker 5: with doctor Karenga. And so we're building and we're doing

1979
01:56:53,080 --> 01:56:57,320
Speaker 5: good things. You'd be surprised at the good that we do.

1980
01:56:57,920 --> 01:57:01,120
Speaker 5: That the system make a think we ain't doing anything.

1981
01:57:01,720 --> 01:57:04,960
Speaker 5: We got some young people that are conscious man and

1982
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Speaker 5: they are really organizing and doing the best they can.

1983
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Speaker 5: It's just that it's to make you think you ain't

1984
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Speaker 5: doing nothing, and have you got well we need to

1985
01:57:14,600 --> 01:57:16,480
Speaker 5: be doing this thing. And then you have to ask

1986
01:57:16,520 --> 01:57:19,760
Speaker 5: a question, well, what are you doing? What what do

1987
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Speaker 5: you do that's black? What philosophy you power? What value

1988
01:57:24,120 --> 01:57:27,480
Speaker 5: system do you power? You know, it's easy to criticize

1989
01:57:28,280 --> 01:57:31,760
Speaker 5: what you see other people not doing, but always ask

1990
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Speaker 5: you saying, what are you doing? Are you organizing your family?

1991
01:57:34,800 --> 01:57:37,720
Speaker 5: Are you making sure everybody's registered in the vote? Even

1992
01:57:37,880 --> 01:57:41,000
Speaker 5: though you're both need in a political sumer but all

1993
01:57:41,120 --> 01:57:44,880
Speaker 5: politics is local. So we talk about school board, we

1994
01:57:45,000 --> 01:57:48,960
Speaker 5: talk about county board. We're a black agenda. People are

1995
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Speaker 5: black agenda, and and and and and and that, and

1996
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Speaker 5: that means what to make life better for black people.

1997
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Speaker 5: Then to make sure that you get employment, make sure

1998
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Speaker 5: they can get opportunities to go to college or the

1999
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Speaker 5: vocational skills and then goes to doing that. You got

2000
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Speaker 5: the MAC team want of skill center out here in California.

2001
01:58:09,960 --> 01:58:14,520
Speaker 5: You've got Brothers and Crusade doing things. There have been

2002
01:58:14,600 --> 01:58:19,160
Speaker 5: many argumentations trying to do their best to educate and provide,

2003
01:58:19,280 --> 01:58:23,000
Speaker 5: But I just say we need to begin to study

2004
01:58:23,120 --> 01:58:26,040
Speaker 5: that so then we don't be depressed and thinking black

2005
01:58:26,120 --> 01:58:29,160
Speaker 5: people ain't doing anything. We got people that are fighting.

2006
01:58:29,640 --> 01:58:34,560
Speaker 5: We got black people that's you know, in the military,

2007
01:58:34,640 --> 01:58:38,680
Speaker 5: that's getting the training and come back and train. It's

2008
01:58:38,760 --> 01:58:41,240
Speaker 5: a lot of things that we're doing that's right.

2009
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Speaker 11: And let me let you go, Profess amon Ra and

2010
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Speaker 11: appreciate all the stuff that you shared with us this morning,

2011
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Speaker 11: and let's move in into twenty twenty six and see

2012
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Speaker 11: how we pick it up from there. But I thank

2013
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Speaker 11: you for your thoughts and thank you and not just

2014
01:58:53,840 --> 01:58:55,880
Speaker 11: for today, but because you've been in a struggle for

2015
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Speaker 11: a long, long long time, yeah, along with God to

2016
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Speaker 11: so we appreciate you for being there because you know,

2017
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Speaker 11: a lot of brothers say after a while, they get

2018
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Speaker 11: tired because the road gets weary, and they get there

2019
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Speaker 11: and they've been there so long and they get older

2020
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Speaker 11: and you know they can't handle it anywhere. But you,

2021
01:59:13,720 --> 01:59:15,800
Speaker 11: every time we call on you. You're always ready. So

2022
01:59:15,960 --> 01:59:17,920
Speaker 11: I just want to thank you, and if you could

2023
01:59:17,960 --> 01:59:20,800
Speaker 11: give us again how folks can reach it, if you're

2024
01:59:20,880 --> 01:59:24,920
Speaker 11: if you're on social media or the US organization, because

2025
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Speaker 11: I know some people probably listening want to continue the conversation.

2026
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Speaker 5: Well, first of all, they can listen to you more

2027
01:59:32,720 --> 01:59:36,080
Speaker 5: because you are an education vehicle. The Car Nelson Show

2028
01:59:36,640 --> 01:59:39,800
Speaker 5: one of one of the best shows out and the

2029
01:59:39,920 --> 01:59:42,920
Speaker 5: stronger we are in supporting you, the more you can

2030
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Speaker 5: expand your show and hopefully get into the mainstream. They're

2031
01:59:47,840 --> 01:59:51,720
Speaker 5: reaching more black people. Uh, that's one thing. Back and

2032
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Speaker 5: again you're reaching me easy, Professor Alan, you can call

2033
01:59:58,360 --> 02:00:01,680
Speaker 5: it back after knist problement, AC Counse State long beat

2034
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Speaker 5: and they'll give you my number three ten five zero

2035
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Speaker 5: five two three five eight. And the struggle continues. Even

2036
02:00:11,320 --> 02:00:14,240
Speaker 5: though I have health problems an issue. I'm out there,

2037
02:00:14,760 --> 02:00:18,040
Speaker 5: you know, working with the groups, working with people, advising people,

2038
02:00:18,320 --> 02:00:24,200
Speaker 5: educating people and making contributions where I can't sour organizations

2039
02:00:24,240 --> 02:00:27,720
Speaker 5: are doing good things. We are on the move. The

2040
02:00:27,840 --> 02:00:30,880
Speaker 5: car people don't see it because the system make you

2041
02:00:31,000 --> 02:00:36,120
Speaker 5: think you ain't doing anything, But they're watching us and

2042
02:00:36,200 --> 02:00:40,320
Speaker 5: they're still infantrting our organization and trying to builify and

2043
02:00:40,440 --> 02:00:43,600
Speaker 5: demonize us. And like you said, Carl, we month, you

2044
02:00:43,720 --> 02:00:46,960
Speaker 5: do call this into a lion with other old pressed

2045
02:00:47,040 --> 02:00:51,120
Speaker 5: people from that standpoint, and we got so many different

2046
02:00:51,240 --> 02:00:54,440
Speaker 5: problems than we didn't have who was coming up in

2047
02:00:54,520 --> 02:00:59,400
Speaker 5: the sixties, and even Garrydana, the problem we had were

2048
02:00:59,520 --> 02:01:03,440
Speaker 5: not as variety of issues that we have. As you

2049
02:01:03,800 --> 02:01:07,360
Speaker 5: pointed out with rem Me, times have changed and the

2050
02:01:07,480 --> 02:01:11,160
Speaker 5: struggle have to change with them times. And because we're

2051
02:01:11,200 --> 02:01:14,560
Speaker 5: looking at our struggle from the civil rights movement in

2052
02:01:14,680 --> 02:01:17,320
Speaker 5: the Black Bow movement of the think me we in

2053
02:01:17,800 --> 02:01:22,600
Speaker 5: a two thousand and twenty six and you got them technology,

2054
02:01:22,760 --> 02:01:23,320
Speaker 5: you got.

2055
02:01:24,480 --> 02:01:26,360
Speaker 11: Right, and we gonna let you go because we gotta

2056
02:01:26,360 --> 02:01:28,680
Speaker 11: take a break. You got that, Professor, But I thank

2057
02:01:28,760 --> 02:01:32,640
Speaker 11: you again, thank you for all the way doing what

2058
02:01:32,760 --> 02:01:36,640
Speaker 11: you're doing. Rether, keep going, Grand Grand Rising. All right,

2059
02:01:36,800 --> 02:01:39,160
Speaker 11: Grand Rising. Twenty three minutes away from the top of

2060
02:01:39,240 --> 02:01:41,360
Speaker 11: I'm gonna step aside for a few months. We'll come back.

2061
02:01:42,080 --> 02:01:43,840
Speaker 11: Doctor David Horn is going to join us. He's going

2062
02:01:43,880 --> 02:01:46,160
Speaker 11: to pick up the baton from Professor aman Rah and

2063
02:01:46,200 --> 02:01:48,480
Speaker 11: answer some of those questions that we're posing this morning,

2064
02:01:48,640 --> 02:01:50,560
Speaker 11: What are we doing twenty twenty six? Now we know

2065
02:01:50,600 --> 02:01:52,400
Speaker 11: where the problems are, we know what issues are. What

2066
02:01:52,480 --> 02:01:54,440
Speaker 11: are your thoughts? Family? You too can get in on

2067
02:01:54,560 --> 02:01:56,840
Speaker 11: this discussion. Reach out to us at eight hundred four

2068
02:01:56,880 --> 02:01:59,520
Speaker 11: or five zero seventy eight to seventy six and we'll

2069
02:01:59,520 --> 02:02:02,680
Speaker 11: take your phone balls next and Grand Rising family, thanks

2070
02:02:02,720 --> 02:02:05,320
Speaker 11: for waking up with us on this Tuesday morning. Here

2071
02:02:05,400 --> 02:02:08,040
Speaker 11: I guess right now is doctor David Horn, doctor David

2072
02:02:08,080 --> 02:02:12,240
Speaker 11: Horn's Pan African cultural thinking expert, the former College for

2073
02:02:12,320 --> 02:02:16,200
Speaker 11: the professor as well as Professor Armon Roth. So doctor Horn,

2074
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Speaker 11: welcome back to the program.

2075
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Speaker 4: Going to you and you are great, great listening family.

2076
02:02:22,200 --> 02:02:23,840
Speaker 11: Yeah, I want you to pick up the baton from

2077
02:02:23,840 --> 02:02:26,920
Speaker 11: where we Professor Armon Rob we talked about, you know,

2078
02:02:27,040 --> 02:02:30,960
Speaker 11: what we should be doing for twenty twenty six, Doctor Horndy.

2079
02:02:31,080 --> 02:02:33,280
Speaker 11: The question is what do we do because you know,

2080
02:02:34,640 --> 02:02:36,600
Speaker 11: many some of us, not all of us, are blaming

2081
02:02:37,080 --> 02:02:39,840
Speaker 11: the situation that we're in, and we're blaming the white man,

2082
02:02:39,920 --> 02:02:41,960
Speaker 11: the man, the man, the man, the man. But there

2083
02:02:42,040 --> 02:02:45,640
Speaker 11: are some things that black people can do this and

2084
02:02:45,760 --> 02:02:48,520
Speaker 11: we reflected that Professor Amen Rob was that they sent

2085
02:02:48,640 --> 02:02:52,040
Speaker 11: me to Gary conference and when we have these issues.

2086
02:02:52,080 --> 02:02:54,240
Speaker 11: We had those conferences and we came up with a

2087
02:02:54,280 --> 02:02:57,040
Speaker 11: black agenda. Some people complained about the fact that it

2088
02:02:57,160 --> 02:03:00,880
Speaker 11: was infiltrated a lot of co and tell it at

2089
02:03:00,960 --> 02:03:03,520
Speaker 11: that meeting. But at least after that meeting we came

2090
02:03:03,600 --> 02:03:06,120
Speaker 11: up with a bunch of folks that were elected. At

2091
02:03:06,200 --> 02:03:08,000
Speaker 11: least there was some come. We came up with some

2092
02:03:08,120 --> 02:03:10,000
Speaker 11: sort of a gentlemen never being great at the time,

2093
02:03:10,360 --> 02:03:13,400
Speaker 11: but is that what's needed right now in twenty twenty.

2094
02:03:13,240 --> 02:03:22,440
Speaker 4: Six, Yeah, that is exactly what is missing. You're right there.

2095
02:03:23,320 --> 02:03:28,840
Speaker 4: If I follow along the same pathway as uh As Row,

2096
02:03:29,640 --> 02:03:34,320
Speaker 4: then let me do that. The logic call has always

2097
02:03:34,440 --> 02:03:40,240
Speaker 4: been how do we move forward? Not how we move backward?

2098
02:03:40,880 --> 02:03:44,600
Speaker 4: Not how do I trip somebody else up? How do

2099
02:03:44,720 --> 02:03:49,880
Speaker 4: I hurt somebody else? How do we move forward? If

2100
02:03:50,840 --> 02:03:56,320
Speaker 4: we are not individually and as a group moving forward,

2101
02:03:57,760 --> 02:04:04,120
Speaker 4: were out of phase, we out of our minds. We

2102
02:04:04,320 --> 02:04:10,080
Speaker 4: have not focused on making sure that what we do

2103
02:04:10,360 --> 02:04:15,840
Speaker 4: while we are here makes it better for black folk,

2104
02:04:16,200 --> 02:04:21,840
Speaker 4: for African folk. The logic is how do we move forward?

2105
02:04:22,800 --> 02:04:25,920
Speaker 4: Let give you an example. We have had a lot

2106
02:04:25,960 --> 02:04:29,720
Speaker 4: of individuals, some of whom we thought it was all

2107
02:04:29,800 --> 02:04:34,360
Speaker 4: about them, they were in charge. They were going to

2108
02:04:34,440 --> 02:04:37,320
Speaker 4: choge other people what to do, and for them, it

2109
02:04:37,440 --> 02:04:40,360
Speaker 4: was all about being in charge. It was not about

2110
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Speaker 4: how we move forward. It was about how do I

2111
02:04:44,240 --> 02:04:47,120
Speaker 4: feel better because other people are dependent on me, of

2112
02:04:47,240 --> 02:04:54,000
Speaker 4: other people or are understanding my leadership. Moving forward means

2113
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Speaker 4: find three hundred thousand or more black folks I guess

2114
02:04:58,760 --> 02:05:04,440
Speaker 4: lost their jobs in the federal government, and three hundred

2115
02:05:04,480 --> 02:05:11,400
Speaker 4: thousand is a safe estimate. Is really more than that,

2116
02:05:12,080 --> 02:05:16,080
Speaker 4: But say three hundred thousand black folks lost their jobs

2117
02:05:16,160 --> 02:05:20,040
Speaker 4: because we have this crazy man in charge of the government.

2118
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Speaker 4: Simply trying to get the dobs back actually is moving forward.

2119
02:05:29,720 --> 02:05:35,000
Speaker 4: But more importantly, making sure we don't become that dependent

2120
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Speaker 4: again on any one phase of government is really what

2121
02:05:41,280 --> 02:05:45,640
Speaker 4: moving forward is about. We don't need to be in

2122
02:05:45,760 --> 02:05:49,560
Speaker 4: the same positions that we were ten years ago, or

2123
02:05:49,640 --> 02:05:56,000
Speaker 4: twenty years ago or thirty years ago. African people must rise,

2124
02:05:56,840 --> 02:06:01,240
Speaker 4: they must keep growing, they must keep moving. And that's

2125
02:06:01,320 --> 02:06:05,960
Speaker 4: the logic that we can apply and probably need to apply,

2126
02:06:06,520 --> 02:06:10,960
Speaker 4: asking ourselves whatever is going on, if it's moving us forward,

2127
02:06:11,280 --> 02:06:12,480
Speaker 4: is it moving us backwards?

2128
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Speaker 5: When the.

2129
02:06:18,040 --> 02:06:25,240
Speaker 4: Current president talked about and has moved to get rid

2130
02:06:25,280 --> 02:06:29,320
Speaker 4: of black history, to try to close down the African

2131
02:06:29,360 --> 02:06:34,840
Speaker 4: American Museum, to try to change the statues back from

2132
02:06:37,480 --> 02:06:40,320
Speaker 4: looking at what the country has done to back to

2133
02:06:41,240 --> 02:06:43,600
Speaker 4: what the Confederate soldiers did.

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Speaker 5: When we.

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Speaker 4: Have seen people try to make us go backwards, that

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02:06:50,200 --> 02:06:52,400
Speaker 4: is when we have to make sure we stop them.

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Speaker 4: We don't let that occur. They cannot take black history

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Speaker 4: from us. They can not say, as they do in

2139
02:07:02,440 --> 02:07:07,440
Speaker 4: Florida or other states, if you teach black history, we

2140
02:07:07,520 --> 02:07:13,280
Speaker 4: will fire you. If you want to bring the successes

2141
02:07:13,440 --> 02:07:16,840
Speaker 4: of black people into a classroom, we will fire you.

2142
02:07:17,040 --> 02:07:19,440
Speaker 4: We will make sure you don't work. That's not moving

2143
02:07:19,520 --> 02:07:23,320
Speaker 4: us forward, that's moving us backwards. We have to jump

2144
02:07:23,400 --> 02:07:27,280
Speaker 4: on that. Stop that. Anything that moves us backwards called

2145
02:07:27,680 --> 02:07:32,920
Speaker 4: we have to attack. We have to move against anything

2146
02:07:33,040 --> 02:07:36,680
Speaker 4: that's moving us forward. Then we need to push. We

2147
02:07:36,800 --> 02:07:40,960
Speaker 4: don't need to keep spending all this time fighting each

2148
02:07:41,080 --> 02:07:45,120
Speaker 4: other because one of us seems to be a little

2149
02:07:45,200 --> 02:07:49,680
Speaker 4: ahead of another one. That's not moving us forward.

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02:07:49,760 --> 02:07:50,320
Speaker 12: That kind of.

2151
02:07:52,760 --> 02:07:58,640
Speaker 4: Fighting back and forth over who crosses the river first.

2152
02:08:00,040 --> 02:08:03,880
Speaker 4: Out what this is about. All needs to cross the river.

2153
02:08:04,160 --> 02:08:07,680
Speaker 4: We all need to get on the other side. Whatever

2154
02:08:07,840 --> 02:08:13,080
Speaker 4: we're working on, is it moving us forward. That's the issue,

2155
02:08:13,200 --> 02:08:13,880
Speaker 4: that's the logic.

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02:08:16,240 --> 02:08:18,960
Speaker 11: All right. Hold that still right there, Dr Only got

2157
02:08:19,000 --> 02:08:20,320
Speaker 11: some folks who want to get on there, want to

2158
02:08:20,360 --> 02:08:25,240
Speaker 11: discuss this, continue discussing this, this decision or this topic

2159
02:08:25,320 --> 02:08:28,040
Speaker 11: that we're talking about this morning. Jeane is calling us

2160
02:08:28,080 --> 02:08:31,120
Speaker 11: online too. He's in Pikesville, Maryland. Gene, you're on now

2161
02:08:31,200 --> 02:08:32,919
Speaker 11: with doctor David.

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02:08:32,760 --> 02:08:37,600
Speaker 10: Horn, Grand Rising, Doctor Horn and a call.

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02:08:38,760 --> 02:08:40,160
Speaker 5: I'm gonna remember how you're doing.

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02:08:41,040 --> 02:08:43,920
Speaker 10: I'm fine, thank you, sir. I want to move forward

2165
02:08:43,920 --> 02:08:45,400
Speaker 10: with it with the theme of reference to how do

2166
02:08:45,480 --> 02:08:50,200
Speaker 10: we move forward? Uh, Malcolm xIC. Martin Luther King quoted

2167
02:08:50,280 --> 02:08:54,960
Speaker 10: more than the Torah and the New Testaments, so right,

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02:08:56,000 --> 02:08:58,960
Speaker 10: Malcolm and Martin were on the same page. And when

2169
02:08:58,960 --> 02:09:04,440
Speaker 10: it came to economy, Martin Luther King moved forward with

2170
02:09:04,680 --> 02:09:08,680
Speaker 10: Operation bread Basket, and of course he was assassinated, but

2171
02:09:08,960 --> 02:09:13,280
Speaker 10: before he could complete the program of Operation bread Basket.

2172
02:09:13,360 --> 02:09:15,720
Speaker 10: And that program, that segment of the program that was

2173
02:09:15,800 --> 02:09:19,080
Speaker 10: not completed was and what we do today, which are

2174
02:09:19,080 --> 02:09:23,600
Speaker 10: the beautiful things like we boycott these corporations African Americans

2175
02:09:23,680 --> 02:09:29,600
Speaker 10: spend or black people spend over two trillion dollars and

2176
02:09:29,680 --> 02:09:34,080
Speaker 10: guess what, none of that money, like Martin Luther King suggested,

2177
02:09:34,560 --> 02:09:41,960
Speaker 10: is deposited in black credit unions and banks. And that's

2178
02:09:42,000 --> 02:09:48,800
Speaker 10: the missing link. If we boycott and we shut a

2179
02:09:48,920 --> 02:09:51,480
Speaker 10: company down, and we had the power to shut a

2180
02:09:51,520 --> 02:09:56,720
Speaker 10: company down, can't we negotiate with them? Like in Baltimore.

2181
02:09:56,920 --> 02:09:59,760
Speaker 10: I'll give you an example of Baltimore City M and T.

2182
02:10:00,400 --> 02:10:03,920
Speaker 10: That's the depository bank for the city of Baltimore. Why

2183
02:10:04,080 --> 02:10:07,960
Speaker 10: not Harbor Why not Harbor Bank? I called them and

2184
02:10:08,120 --> 02:10:09,760
Speaker 10: asked them how much money?

2185
02:10:09,960 --> 02:10:10,400
Speaker 4: And uh.

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02:10:10,760 --> 02:10:12,520
Speaker 10: The president of the Harbor Bank was on I asked

2187
02:10:12,560 --> 02:10:15,800
Speaker 10: him the question directly, how much money is deposited into

2188
02:10:16,280 --> 02:10:20,800
Speaker 10: Harbor Bank that's coming into the city golfers. He didn't

2189
02:10:20,840 --> 02:10:23,600
Speaker 10: answer that question. They had to look He had to

2190
02:10:23,720 --> 02:10:27,320
Speaker 10: go back and look it up. This is me, this

2191
02:10:27,480 --> 02:10:33,240
Speaker 10: is the major problem in our community. We, like malcle said,

2192
02:10:33,400 --> 02:10:35,680
Speaker 10: we're like a boy living in a white man's house.

2193
02:10:36,000 --> 02:10:40,160
Speaker 10: He sees us close closes us. And then we had

2194
02:10:40,240 --> 02:10:43,600
Speaker 10: the nerve to complain, and we got to stop complaining,

2195
02:10:43,880 --> 02:10:46,200
Speaker 10: and we're gonna have to get put in place actions

2196
02:10:46,640 --> 02:10:49,760
Speaker 10: or where that money that we spend we get, we

2197
02:10:49,920 --> 02:10:53,080
Speaker 10: get a portion of that deposited in our community. And

2198
02:10:53,200 --> 02:10:55,640
Speaker 10: then we have to have leadership in our community unlike

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02:10:55,680 --> 02:10:58,960
Speaker 10: we do in Baltimore, who are going to initiate the

2200
02:10:59,040 --> 02:10:59,720
Speaker 10: initiatives that.

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Speaker 16: We in our community.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, sir.

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02:11:06,040 --> 02:11:11,360
Speaker 4: The I totally agree with you about we have to

2204
02:11:11,520 --> 02:11:17,520
Speaker 4: put the economic aspect back into whatever planning we're doing

2205
02:11:17,920 --> 02:11:18,839
Speaker 4: to move forward.

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Speaker 5: Uh the.

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02:11:22,320 --> 02:11:27,400
Speaker 4: For example, in the Referations movement or in the Pan

2208
02:11:27,520 --> 02:11:33,080
Speaker 4: African movement, if we only keep asking for people to

2209
02:11:33,280 --> 02:11:38,880
Speaker 4: do stuff for us to help us, you know, then

2210
02:11:39,040 --> 02:11:45,320
Speaker 4: we are simply trying to move into the white man's house.

2211
02:11:46,120 --> 02:11:49,120
Speaker 4: As you mentioned that example, We're just simply trying to

2212
02:11:49,400 --> 02:11:52,840
Speaker 4: come out of the field and move into the big house.

2213
02:11:53,320 --> 02:11:56,000
Speaker 4: Moving into the big house does not make life better

2214
02:11:57,240 --> 02:12:03,200
Speaker 4: for black folk. It simply makes it a little easier

2215
02:12:03,320 --> 02:12:09,880
Speaker 4: for individuals. The economic aspect that you brought up. When

2216
02:12:10,200 --> 02:12:16,880
Speaker 4: black folk were being disrespected, when they were being discounted,

2217
02:12:17,960 --> 02:12:21,880
Speaker 4: but they were riding a bus, they were riding a

2218
02:12:23,160 --> 02:12:30,760
Speaker 4: public vehicle every day, supporting it economically, but being called

2219
02:12:30,960 --> 02:12:36,800
Speaker 4: all kinds of names, bad names, and children being treated badly.

2220
02:12:37,520 --> 02:12:42,360
Speaker 4: Education not working. What did black folk do? They're organized

2221
02:12:43,760 --> 02:12:50,000
Speaker 4: that economic boycott and brought that particular bus dun company

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02:12:50,200 --> 02:12:54,960
Speaker 4: to its needs. They said, you are not treating black

2223
02:12:55,040 --> 02:12:59,000
Speaker 4: folk the way we deserve being treated, and so we

2224
02:12:59,160 --> 02:13:02,480
Speaker 4: will keep our money to ourselves. We're no longer going

2225
02:13:02,560 --> 02:13:08,000
Speaker 4: to give you an economic benefit for treating us badly.

2226
02:13:08,800 --> 02:13:13,240
Speaker 4: And it worked the reparations movement. If we were really

2227
02:13:14,320 --> 02:13:19,520
Speaker 4: serious about forgetting people to treat us better, keep out

2228
02:13:19,560 --> 02:13:25,160
Speaker 4: money in our pocket, boycott, organize a boycott around Christmas,

2229
02:13:25,600 --> 02:13:31,120
Speaker 4: around Thanksgiving, don't spend any money where people are disrespecting you.

2230
02:13:31,920 --> 02:13:37,120
Speaker 4: That would make things better for everybody involved. That would

2231
02:13:37,200 --> 02:13:41,480
Speaker 4: move us forward. I agree with you that we need

2232
02:13:41,600 --> 02:13:48,040
Speaker 4: to look at some of the history that we've already

2233
02:13:48,120 --> 02:13:53,000
Speaker 4: been through, learned from that to push us forward. That's

2234
02:13:53,040 --> 02:13:55,640
Speaker 4: what it's about. I agree with you about your example.

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Speaker 11: Brother, Let me jump ahead. Doctor Horney sticks away from

2236
02:14:00,720 --> 02:14:02,600
Speaker 11: the top of that. Do we need everybody who just

2237
02:14:02,680 --> 02:14:04,480
Speaker 11: need a critical mass to make the change?

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02:14:06,000 --> 02:14:09,520
Speaker 4: Critical mass? You don't ever need everybody to do it.

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02:14:09,640 --> 02:14:14,640
Speaker 4: It would be great, but that is not how successful

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02:14:15,440 --> 02:14:20,600
Speaker 4: social movements have ever worked. They've never had everybody go

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02:14:21,680 --> 02:14:27,280
Speaker 4: the same direction, crossed the river at the same point.

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02:14:28,760 --> 02:14:32,160
Speaker 4: That's not how history works. And we can get the

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02:14:32,240 --> 02:14:36,880
Speaker 4: critical mass to move at the same time in the

2244
02:14:36,960 --> 02:14:44,040
Speaker 4: same direction. We can get benefit for everybody, so we

2245
02:14:44,720 --> 02:14:48,920
Speaker 4: don't have to spend a lot of time trying to

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02:14:49,080 --> 02:14:56,040
Speaker 4: drag people across the river when we are going, we

2247
02:14:56,200 --> 02:14:57,840
Speaker 4: need to go ahead and take care of those who

2248
02:14:57,880 --> 02:15:01,000
Speaker 4: are ready to cross the river when the time has

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02:15:01,080 --> 02:15:04,840
Speaker 4: been set. We need to stop spending time on on

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02:15:05,560 --> 02:15:11,480
Speaker 4: small stuff and organize and maintain and follow through with

2251
02:15:11,640 --> 02:15:14,800
Speaker 4: the biggest stuff. The brother borrowed the idea about the bank.

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02:15:17,120 --> 02:15:23,880
Speaker 4: One bank seems to be dominating the resources of black

2253
02:15:23,960 --> 02:15:27,720
Speaker 4: folk but not benefiting black folks. That needs to stop.

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02:15:28,680 --> 02:15:33,400
Speaker 4: You know, you can organize the resources so that moor

2255
02:15:33,760 --> 02:15:35,760
Speaker 4: folk a benefited.

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Speaker 6: Again.

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Speaker 4: How we move forward? That becomes the focus. How do

2258
02:15:43,680 --> 02:15:46,240
Speaker 4: we move forward? Not just how do I move forward?

2259
02:15:47,920 --> 02:15:53,160
Speaker 4: That has been the uh stone of the Black movement

2260
02:15:55,880 --> 02:15:59,160
Speaker 4: as long as we have been on this planet, and

2261
02:15:59,840 --> 02:16:03,200
Speaker 4: I being on the planet, figure what it's all about.

2262
02:16:03,360 --> 02:16:09,760
Speaker 4: Everybody comes from us. We began human life, and we

2263
02:16:09,920 --> 02:16:10,960
Speaker 4: need to move forward.

2264
02:16:14,320 --> 02:16:16,480
Speaker 11: All right, Hold that thought right there. We got to

2265
02:16:16,480 --> 02:16:18,240
Speaker 11: step aside for a few months so our stations can

2266
02:16:18,320 --> 02:16:19,720
Speaker 11: identify themselves down the line.

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02:16:19,720 --> 02:16:20,120
Speaker 5: We come back.

2268
02:16:20,160 --> 02:16:22,280
Speaker 11: We got some more folks want to talk to you. Family.

2269
02:16:22,360 --> 02:16:25,280
Speaker 11: Our guess is doctor David Horn. Doctor Horn is a

2270
02:16:25,400 --> 02:16:29,360
Speaker 11: Penaften critical thinking expert. He taught critical thinking in college.

2271
02:16:29,760 --> 02:16:31,800
Speaker 11: You got a question or a comment about what should

2272
02:16:31,840 --> 02:16:33,920
Speaker 11: we do for twenty twenty six? What should our move be?

2273
02:16:34,160 --> 02:16:36,360
Speaker 11: We already know what the game is, you know, we

2274
02:16:36,480 --> 02:16:38,960
Speaker 11: have to keep talking about it. Who's doing this to that?

2275
02:16:39,040 --> 02:16:40,880
Speaker 11: And we're doing that to that? We know what they're doing.

2276
02:16:41,400 --> 02:16:41,960
Speaker 5: What do we do?

2277
02:16:42,240 --> 02:16:44,560
Speaker 11: That's my question? You need it can answer it at

2278
02:16:44,600 --> 02:16:47,680
Speaker 11: eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six

2279
02:16:47,760 --> 02:16:50,560
Speaker 11: of the ticket calls next angry and rising family, Thanks

2280
02:16:50,600 --> 02:16:52,480
Speaker 11: for rolling with us on this Tuesday morning. I guess

2281
02:16:52,600 --> 02:16:55,560
Speaker 11: is doctor David Horn. Doctor David Horn is a pen Afghanist,

2282
02:16:55,640 --> 02:16:58,160
Speaker 11: a critical thinking expert. As I mentioned before the break,

2283
02:16:58,200 --> 02:17:01,080
Speaker 11: he taught critical thinking college and that's why we have

2284
02:17:01,160 --> 02:17:03,200
Speaker 11: them here because a lot of issues facing us. We've

2285
02:17:03,240 --> 02:17:06,680
Speaker 11: got to become critical thinkers here repeating all the time

2286
02:17:06,720 --> 02:17:08,640
Speaker 11: to free your mind? How many means you got to

2287
02:17:08,680 --> 02:17:10,879
Speaker 11: think for yourself and you've got to think critically when

2288
02:17:10,879 --> 02:17:13,720
Speaker 11: you're facing issues. Doctor homiefore, I take call for you.

2289
02:17:13,840 --> 02:17:17,199
Speaker 11: Though Paul in London wanted to have a request, He says,

2290
02:17:17,480 --> 02:17:20,200
Speaker 11: what is the critical mass figure needed? In percentage? We

2291
02:17:20,320 --> 02:17:22,920
Speaker 11: talked about a critical mask. What percentage are you talking to?

2292
02:17:23,080 --> 02:17:24,640
Speaker 11: We need to move our people forward.

2293
02:17:29,480 --> 02:17:34,959
Speaker 4: There is no one percentage that we are talking about.

2294
02:17:36,320 --> 02:17:44,920
Speaker 4: When slaves moved away from the plantation, when people moved

2295
02:17:45,480 --> 02:17:54,280
Speaker 4: from being captured to walking away, running away, when we

2296
02:17:55,400 --> 02:18:00,160
Speaker 4: changed our situation so that most of us were no

2297
02:18:00,320 --> 02:18:10,279
Speaker 4: longer owned by other people, then that changed the relationship

2298
02:18:11,080 --> 02:18:15,000
Speaker 4: for almost all of us. Again, there is no ten

2299
02:18:15,080 --> 02:18:19,960
Speaker 4: percent or fifty or eighty percent that we are talking about.

2300
02:18:20,840 --> 02:18:27,959
Speaker 4: We who look at the world through eyes differently than

2301
02:18:28,800 --> 02:18:37,320
Speaker 4: some other folk, need to identify how we can move forward,

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02:18:37,520 --> 02:18:40,040
Speaker 4: how we can get better schooling, how we can get

2303
02:18:40,120 --> 02:18:47,480
Speaker 4: better jobs, how we can be successful, and the more

2304
02:18:47,920 --> 02:18:52,560
Speaker 4: the merrier. There's no one percentage that will do that.

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02:18:52,959 --> 02:18:56,400
Speaker 4: We have to make sure our own families and our

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02:18:56,480 --> 02:19:00,720
Speaker 4: own communities are moving forward, fitting.

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02:19:02,360 --> 02:19:03,680
Speaker 5: From what is available.

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02:19:04,200 --> 02:19:07,320
Speaker 4: That's what we are saying that the logical point that

2309
02:19:07,480 --> 02:19:12,959
Speaker 4: we are all aiming at is moving forward, not backward.

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02:19:13,240 --> 02:19:14,119
Speaker 4: Moving forward.

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02:19:16,680 --> 02:19:17,039
Speaker 5: All right?

2312
02:19:17,120 --> 02:19:18,760
Speaker 11: Hold us, all right, DearS, I mentioned you still got

2313
02:19:18,800 --> 02:19:20,840
Speaker 11: some folks who want to talk to you. Eight hundred

2314
02:19:20,879 --> 02:19:24,000
Speaker 11: and four five zero seventy eight seventy sixteef, thank you

2315
02:19:24,040 --> 02:19:27,520
Speaker 11: for being so patient with us in Montgomery County online

2316
02:19:27,560 --> 02:19:30,560
Speaker 11: one Grand Rising you want with doctor David.

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02:19:30,320 --> 02:19:39,200
Speaker 8: Horn Grand Rising Family, good money. Bro Malcolm answered the

2318
02:19:39,320 --> 02:19:45,400
Speaker 8: question a long time ago. He said, only when Africa

2319
02:19:45,760 --> 02:19:52,160
Speaker 8: is free with black people everywhere be free. Think about this.

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Speaker 5: I agree, yep. Good.

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Speaker 8: Now, when we get the Europeans of the next of

2322
02:20:03,879 --> 02:20:12,640
Speaker 8: African leaders and African people can invest in Africa. A

2323
02:20:12,760 --> 02:20:17,480
Speaker 8: brother earlier talking about Harbord Bank, what if we invested

2324
02:20:17,560 --> 02:20:20,880
Speaker 8: in the goal in Africa and have it in Harbor Bank?

2325
02:20:21,840 --> 02:20:28,000
Speaker 8: What couldn't we do? We are our own problems. We

2326
02:20:28,240 --> 02:20:33,039
Speaker 8: need to demand that the congressional Black cockers, if they

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02:20:33,080 --> 02:20:36,480
Speaker 8: will represent us, they ought to put on the on

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02:20:36,600 --> 02:20:43,800
Speaker 8: the Congress floor. Europeans, get off the neck of Captain Tuarree.

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Speaker 8: We have seen the good things in the last two years.

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Speaker 8: He's not a dictator, He's a leader. Thank you.

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Speaker 4: And totally agree about getting behind that particular brother and

2332
02:21:03,000 --> 02:21:08,160
Speaker 4: getting behind his particular movement forward. And I agree with

2333
02:21:08,440 --> 02:21:16,119
Speaker 4: you that Africa must move forward and when Africa is free,

2334
02:21:18,240 --> 02:21:21,880
Speaker 4: black folk around the world will be free. But again

2335
02:21:22,440 --> 02:21:28,240
Speaker 4: defining moving forward, defining it, organizing it, having a plan

2336
02:21:28,760 --> 02:21:31,800
Speaker 4: to move forward with what we are talking about, brother,

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02:21:32,040 --> 02:21:37,120
Speaker 4: charre in Pikina Farsso has a plan to move forward.

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02:21:37,680 --> 02:21:42,000
Speaker 4: He's been able to maintain that plan because he understands

2339
02:21:42,120 --> 02:21:50,280
Speaker 4: everybody around him will not always defend that plan. He

2340
02:21:50,440 --> 02:21:55,000
Speaker 4: had been able to keep him being assassinated, keep him

2341
02:21:55,080 --> 02:21:58,360
Speaker 4: being taken out, because he has a plan in his

2342
02:21:58,480 --> 02:22:04,680
Speaker 4: head moving forward. I must establish for my people, for

2343
02:22:05,720 --> 02:22:12,560
Speaker 4: my nation that we can move forward. We don't have

2344
02:22:12,680 --> 02:22:15,840
Speaker 4: to always just keep complaining about what they've done to us.

2345
02:22:16,320 --> 02:22:18,240
Speaker 4: Now we need to start talking about what we're going

2346
02:22:18,320 --> 02:22:23,240
Speaker 4: to do for ourselves. It's about how do we move forward.

2347
02:22:23,680 --> 02:22:27,720
Speaker 4: That is a central point, the central logical point. You

2348
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Speaker 4: start there, moving forward. If we're not moving forward, we

2349
02:22:32,879 --> 02:22:37,920
Speaker 4: are not helping ourselves. We are hurting ourselves. Moving backwards

2350
02:22:38,080 --> 02:22:39,160
Speaker 4: is not going to help.

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Speaker 1: All right, and thank you for sharing that with us.

2352
02:22:44,480 --> 02:22:47,400
Speaker 1: Family eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six.

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Speaker 1: Get in to speak to doctor David Horn. Let's take

2354
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Speaker 1: another call. Let's go to line two. Raymond's on Capitol Hill. Raymond,

2355
02:22:53,320 --> 02:22:54,640
Speaker 1: you're on with doctor David Horn.

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Speaker 16: A good morning. I agree call and your guests, But

2357
02:23:05,840 --> 02:23:11,160
Speaker 16: unfortunately the bully is not going to give us our

2358
02:23:11,360 --> 02:23:17,440
Speaker 16: money back. That's not what bullies do using that analogy. Okay,

2359
02:23:17,440 --> 02:23:20,200
Speaker 16: how much we pray to them and act them. See reason,

2360
02:23:20,800 --> 02:23:24,320
Speaker 16: the bully is not going to give us our money back.

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02:23:25,400 --> 02:23:32,000
Speaker 16: Too many black back, too many black people are addicted

2362
02:23:32,240 --> 02:23:37,320
Speaker 16: to white. A. Here's what I'm doing. Because you want

2363
02:23:37,400 --> 02:23:41,359
Speaker 16: people to people call in complaining. Here, here's my solution

2364
02:23:41,920 --> 02:23:44,600
Speaker 16: for what I can do, because I keep control what

2365
02:23:44,680 --> 02:23:49,640
Speaker 16: somebody else does. What I does is I don't spend

2366
02:23:50,840 --> 02:23:55,280
Speaker 16: ninety five to ninety eight percent of my dollars with

2367
02:23:55,520 --> 02:23:59,600
Speaker 16: black owned businesses. I don't care if I gotta drive out,

2368
02:24:00,080 --> 02:24:02,520
Speaker 16: I don't care. If I got to drive out the

2369
02:24:02,640 --> 02:24:05,720
Speaker 16: way to get something that I would normally go to

2370
02:24:05,840 --> 02:24:09,600
Speaker 16: a convenience store. If the convenience store in my neighborhood

2371
02:24:09,600 --> 02:24:12,959
Speaker 16: I live on Capitol Hill, if it's owned by somebody else,

2372
02:24:13,520 --> 02:24:16,160
Speaker 16: I won't go. I'll get in my car and drive

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02:24:16,800 --> 02:24:21,640
Speaker 16: three miles to a black owned store. The few there are,

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02:24:22,080 --> 02:24:25,959
Speaker 16: I don't care. But black the EPO, we are too

2375
02:24:26,120 --> 02:24:31,520
Speaker 16: addicted to white. Most of we spend almost all over

2376
02:24:32,000 --> 02:24:37,040
Speaker 16: few trillion dollars in goods and services in this country.

2377
02:24:37,840 --> 02:24:41,280
Speaker 16: But I go to the malls or stuff. All I

2378
02:24:41,440 --> 02:24:47,000
Speaker 16: see in there it's mostly African Americans and expandits. We

2379
02:24:47,240 --> 02:24:51,920
Speaker 16: are the number one consumers in the country. All companies

2380
02:24:52,360 --> 02:24:56,440
Speaker 16: cater to us. It's just that simple. We gott to

2381
02:24:56,480 --> 02:25:02,920
Speaker 16: bring these this mental chain being addicted to white, that

2382
02:25:03,120 --> 02:25:07,119
Speaker 16: white is good and black is bad, and we spend

2383
02:25:07,200 --> 02:25:11,680
Speaker 16: our dollars trying to look like it. We spend our

2384
02:25:11,840 --> 02:25:16,920
Speaker 16: dollars with them. We have no objections to them moving

2385
02:25:17,360 --> 02:25:22,480
Speaker 16: into our neighborhood and getting our dollars, giving us poor

2386
02:25:22,680 --> 02:25:28,160
Speaker 16: customer service, showing us everything that's bad for us, because

2387
02:25:28,680 --> 02:25:33,960
Speaker 16: we are addicted to white. And that's just what I

2388
02:25:34,080 --> 02:25:35,959
Speaker 16: want to say. We got to spend our.

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02:25:36,040 --> 02:25:39,160
Speaker 6: Money with black people.

2390
02:25:39,680 --> 02:25:42,400
Speaker 16: We have the money, we just don't give it to

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02:25:42,600 --> 02:25:43,080
Speaker 16: each other.

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Speaker 1: All right, Raymond, I thank you for that. Professor David Hornet,

2393
02:25:48,520 --> 02:25:49,640
Speaker 1: your response ran out.

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02:25:51,440 --> 02:25:57,440
Speaker 4: I agree with a lot of what the brother just said. Again,

2395
02:25:57,680 --> 02:26:03,600
Speaker 4: the if our nasure meant for moving forward is how

2396
02:26:03,640 --> 02:26:07,560
Speaker 4: do we how do we get closer to them? That

2397
02:26:07,920 --> 02:26:11,560
Speaker 4: is not going to benefit us, that is not moving forward,

2398
02:26:11,640 --> 02:26:18,280
Speaker 4: that is are selling up a false paradigm. The brother

2399
02:26:18,480 --> 02:26:25,160
Speaker 4: identified it. He said that we need to focus more

2400
02:26:25,360 --> 02:26:29,040
Speaker 4: on what benefits black folk. What how do how do

2401
02:26:29,200 --> 02:26:32,600
Speaker 4: our neighborhoods progress how do we how do we get

2402
02:26:32,720 --> 02:26:35,960
Speaker 4: more out of the talent that is available, How do

2403
02:26:36,040 --> 02:26:41,440
Speaker 4: we uh benefit How do we make sure that black

2404
02:26:41,480 --> 02:26:45,400
Speaker 4: folks who are selling products, how do we make sure

2405
02:26:45,520 --> 02:26:53,200
Speaker 4: that we support them. The issue is simply identify what

2406
02:26:54,040 --> 02:26:59,000
Speaker 4: makes life better for us as individuals and what makes

2407
02:26:59,120 --> 02:27:04,360
Speaker 4: life better for us as the population. And trying to

2408
02:27:04,600 --> 02:27:09,400
Speaker 4: simply get next to other people making them feel better

2409
02:27:09,720 --> 02:27:14,160
Speaker 4: about themselves because we are running to them. That is

2410
02:27:14,320 --> 02:27:19,400
Speaker 4: not pushing our bottom line. That's not pushing How do

2411
02:27:19,520 --> 02:27:23,720
Speaker 4: we make things better? I agree with him. We need

2412
02:27:23,800 --> 02:27:28,160
Speaker 4: to focus more on We need to win, not just

2413
02:27:28,240 --> 02:27:36,119
Speaker 4: help other people to win. We need to identify logical programs,

2414
02:27:36,400 --> 02:27:45,600
Speaker 4: logical plans, logical strategies about making things better for us.

2415
02:27:46,959 --> 02:27:50,840
Speaker 4: When the bully comes and tries to take stuff away,

2416
02:27:52,000 --> 02:27:58,359
Speaker 4: we organize and drive the bully away. When people basically

2417
02:27:58,480 --> 02:28:03,119
Speaker 4: try to us we have no history that is worth

2418
02:28:04,480 --> 02:28:10,520
Speaker 4: looking at and studying so that we can move forward

2419
02:28:10,600 --> 02:28:16,240
Speaker 4: in the future. We as a group get rid of

2420
02:28:16,360 --> 02:28:21,240
Speaker 4: those people who are talking that nonsense. We have to

2421
02:28:21,400 --> 02:28:27,040
Speaker 4: again focus on the logic of what is better for us,

2422
02:28:28,320 --> 02:28:32,280
Speaker 4: what is moving us forward not backwards?

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02:28:33,200 --> 02:28:34,880
Speaker 1: Got you hold that's all right there? Twelve at the

2424
02:28:34,959 --> 02:28:37,120
Speaker 1: top they are family. Just check it in about it

2425
02:28:37,240 --> 02:28:39,760
Speaker 1: Ghani and that's the you know, it's quanta. This is

2426
02:28:40,240 --> 02:28:43,720
Speaker 1: whether the fifth day of quncas. What's what's the message is,

2427
02:28:43,920 --> 02:28:46,480
Speaker 1: what's what's what's happening, what's going on? That's what How

2428
02:28:46,480 --> 02:28:49,440
Speaker 1: about it Ghani is in Swahili and your response is nea,

2429
02:28:49,600 --> 02:28:51,680
Speaker 1: which means purpose. That's the purpose that we have in

2430
02:28:51,720 --> 02:28:54,360
Speaker 1: this conversation this morning with doctor David Horn is a

2431
02:28:54,560 --> 02:28:57,640
Speaker 1: former professor. He taught critical thinking at the college level

2432
02:28:57,680 --> 02:28:59,640
Speaker 1: and that's where we have him mind as a free congress.

2433
02:28:59,680 --> 02:29:02,440
Speaker 1: The tea just how to be critical thinkers. Doctor Horney

2434
02:29:02,480 --> 02:29:04,280
Speaker 1: got a call came into the studio. So the course

2435
02:29:04,440 --> 02:29:06,960
Speaker 1: is asking you. The question says, do you think that

2436
02:29:07,080 --> 02:29:11,000
Speaker 1: African Americans are politicized enough to be consentious objectives to

2437
02:29:11,120 --> 02:29:14,240
Speaker 1: the war in Nigeria? If I guess the implication here,

2438
02:29:14,360 --> 02:29:16,240
Speaker 1: if the United States go to war with Nigeria, do

2439
02:29:16,280 --> 02:29:20,040
Speaker 1: you think black folks in the military will will you know,

2440
02:29:20,160 --> 02:29:22,440
Speaker 1: step aside and not get involved in that war fight

2441
02:29:22,480 --> 02:29:24,480
Speaker 1: against our brothers and sisters on the continent.

2442
02:29:24,680 --> 02:29:25,400
Speaker 3: Your thoughts.

2443
02:29:28,040 --> 02:29:32,000
Speaker 4: There will be no United States war with Nigeria. That's

2444
02:29:32,080 --> 02:29:39,480
Speaker 4: not going to happen. There have been isolated incidences because

2445
02:29:39,560 --> 02:29:42,600
Speaker 4: we have a crazy man in charge of the government

2446
02:29:42,720 --> 02:29:45,440
Speaker 4: at this time. But now there will be no war

2447
02:29:45,920 --> 02:29:53,120
Speaker 4: with Nigeria. But going back to the question about the

2448
02:29:53,240 --> 02:30:02,240
Speaker 4: possible future, unfortunately, lot of those who look like us,

2449
02:30:03,080 --> 02:30:06,760
Speaker 4: if ordered to attack other people who look like us,

2450
02:30:07,440 --> 02:30:14,199
Speaker 4: will follow orders. Yeah, black soldiers will attack African folk

2451
02:30:14,760 --> 02:30:16,880
Speaker 4: if ordered. Not all of them, but some of them.

2452
02:30:16,959 --> 02:30:18,960
Speaker 4: There will be some of them who walk away and

2453
02:30:19,080 --> 02:30:21,720
Speaker 4: say no, I'm not doing that. Most of them will

2454
02:30:21,800 --> 02:30:24,360
Speaker 4: follow orders because that is what you are taught to

2455
02:30:24,480 --> 02:30:33,000
Speaker 4: do in the military. The situation about bombing Nigeria the

2456
02:30:33,080 --> 02:30:41,320
Speaker 4: other day, trying to intimidate Nigeria, unfortunately was not just

2457
02:30:41,760 --> 02:30:48,040
Speaker 4: an act by a strange man in charge of this government.

2458
02:30:48,680 --> 02:30:52,720
Speaker 4: There were a couple of Nigerian officials who got paid

2459
02:30:53,720 --> 02:31:00,520
Speaker 4: who helped that bombing occur. That again, if not going

2460
02:31:00,600 --> 02:31:03,720
Speaker 4: to help Nigeria. That again is not going to help

2461
02:31:03,800 --> 02:31:07,040
Speaker 4: the African Union. That again is not going to help

2462
02:31:07,360 --> 02:31:12,440
Speaker 4: African people move forward. Those officials need to be identified

2463
02:31:12,640 --> 02:31:16,920
Speaker 4: and removed. We need to make sure that does not

2464
02:31:17,120 --> 02:31:21,640
Speaker 4: happen again. The you know, we have a bully in

2465
02:31:21,840 --> 02:31:26,200
Speaker 4: charge of the government here at this time, and bullies

2466
02:31:26,280 --> 02:31:31,520
Speaker 4: do whatever makes them feel good, whatever makes them think

2467
02:31:31,560 --> 02:31:35,760
Speaker 4: they can scratch themselves and feel better. They don't do

2468
02:31:35,959 --> 02:31:39,680
Speaker 4: what is best for others. They do what's best for themselves.

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02:31:41,959 --> 02:31:42,120
Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: Having said that, though, let me John for a second,

2471
02:31:43,840 --> 02:31:45,400
Speaker 1: because we're coming up on a break, and I'll let

2472
02:31:45,440 --> 02:31:47,760
Speaker 1: you respond to this when we get back from the break,

2473
02:31:47,840 --> 02:31:50,760
Speaker 1: doctor Horne. But the attack of Nigeria and then the

2474
02:31:50,840 --> 02:31:55,360
Speaker 1: attack on Venezuela and coestionally, both of those countries have

2475
02:31:55,480 --> 02:31:59,040
Speaker 1: a lot of oil petroleum in the ground. Is that

2476
02:31:59,280 --> 02:32:01,320
Speaker 1: the is that the real reason they're going after this?

2477
02:32:01,400 --> 02:32:04,119
Speaker 1: Because because Donald Trump says his reason, he says he's

2478
02:32:04,160 --> 02:32:07,600
Speaker 1: going to help free Nigerian Christians who are being persecuted

2479
02:32:07,640 --> 02:32:12,440
Speaker 1: by Islamist in the northern part of the Well, the

2480
02:32:12,560 --> 02:32:15,200
Speaker 1: question is, if that's the case, why doesn't he bring

2481
02:32:15,280 --> 02:32:18,000
Speaker 1: them to America like he did these white Africanas in

2482
02:32:18,120 --> 02:32:21,080
Speaker 1: South Africa, who he says are being being persecuted by

2483
02:32:21,160 --> 02:32:24,480
Speaker 1: Black Africans. But he still has not extended that hand

2484
02:32:24,560 --> 02:32:28,200
Speaker 1: of gratitude to the black Nigerians who he claims of

2485
02:32:28,320 --> 02:32:33,160
Speaker 1: being being persecuted by Islamist in the northern section of

2486
02:32:33,720 --> 02:32:35,520
Speaker 1: Nigeria's so why doesn't he do that? I'll let you

2487
02:32:35,560 --> 02:32:38,280
Speaker 1: explain all that untangle that mess first when we get back.

2488
02:32:38,440 --> 02:32:39,840
Speaker 1: And we've got some folks who want to talk to

2489
02:32:39,879 --> 02:32:42,080
Speaker 1: you as well, because what we're looking at families that

2490
02:32:42,200 --> 02:32:45,680
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six is next door, if you will. We

2491
02:32:45,760 --> 02:32:48,120
Speaker 1: don't have a plan or some people say do we

2492
02:32:48,240 --> 02:32:52,440
Speaker 1: need a plan or you know, what's the plan we need? Okay,

2493
02:32:52,720 --> 02:32:55,000
Speaker 1: so if that's the plan, we need to and we

2494
02:32:55,200 --> 02:32:57,120
Speaker 1: just call a black agenda. What should he be? What

2495
02:32:57,200 --> 02:32:59,080
Speaker 1: should be some of the segments in there? What should

2496
02:32:59,120 --> 02:33:01,600
Speaker 1: we be doing now? Because you better believe the other

2497
02:33:01,680 --> 02:33:05,720
Speaker 1: folks have plans. They plan long distance, they don't have

2498
02:33:05,800 --> 02:33:08,160
Speaker 1: short plans. They're planning the future. They have a plan

2499
02:33:08,720 --> 02:33:11,320
Speaker 1: what to do with us as well, So marinate on

2500
02:33:11,400 --> 02:33:13,400
Speaker 1: that while we take the short break. Seventeen alf the top.

2501
02:33:13,440 --> 02:33:15,520
Speaker 1: They have family. I guess there is doctor David Horne.

2502
02:33:15,520 --> 02:33:16,920
Speaker 1: You want to speak to him, reach out to us

2503
02:33:17,040 --> 02:33:19,600
Speaker 1: eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight to

2504
02:33:19,680 --> 02:33:22,040
Speaker 1: seventy six and we'll take your phone calls next and

2505
02:33:22,160 --> 02:33:24,200
Speaker 1: grant rising family thanks to staying with us on this

2506
02:33:24,280 --> 02:33:26,560
Speaker 1: Tuesday morning. As we creep closer to the end of

2507
02:33:26,600 --> 02:33:28,960
Speaker 1: the year. I guess is doctor David Horn. Doctor Horn

2508
02:33:29,080 --> 02:33:32,879
Speaker 1: is a retired college professor of Pan Africanist and as

2509
02:33:32,879 --> 02:33:35,160
Speaker 1: I mentioned, they taught critical thinking in college. That's why

2510
02:33:35,200 --> 02:33:37,120
Speaker 1: we're have in here because many of us didn't do

2511
02:33:37,200 --> 02:33:39,560
Speaker 1: that course in critical thinking, and so many of the

2512
02:33:39,720 --> 02:33:42,800
Speaker 1: problems facing us as a people requires us to use

2513
02:33:43,160 --> 02:33:46,680
Speaker 1: the technique of critical thinking. So doctor Horn, help us

2514
02:33:46,720 --> 02:33:50,480
Speaker 1: out here with the situation with the attack on Venezuela

2515
02:33:50,520 --> 02:33:53,199
Speaker 1: and Nigeria and the common denominate. They both have oil,

2516
02:33:53,320 --> 02:33:55,879
Speaker 1: lots of oil, if you will. Donald Trump says he's

2517
02:33:55,920 --> 02:33:58,920
Speaker 1: going there to help the Nigerian Christians who are being

2518
02:33:58,920 --> 02:34:02,080
Speaker 1: attacked by Islamis. And there's a question where they did

2519
02:34:02,160 --> 02:34:05,760
Speaker 1: those drones hit the impacted them in any way or other.

2520
02:34:06,040 --> 02:34:08,400
Speaker 1: But unpacked that for us and tell us what's really

2521
02:34:08,440 --> 02:34:09,000
Speaker 1: going on here.

2522
02:34:11,360 --> 02:34:18,320
Speaker 4: Number One, we should never expect logic from a mad dog.

2523
02:34:19,240 --> 02:34:27,840
Speaker 4: We should never expect rationale or rational reasoning from people

2524
02:34:28,360 --> 02:34:35,520
Speaker 4: who don't seem to be able to form an opinion

2525
02:34:35,720 --> 02:34:40,080
Speaker 4: that does not benefit themselves. Everything that comes out of

2526
02:34:40,360 --> 02:34:44,760
Speaker 4: the mouth of our particular president is about what benefits

2527
02:34:44,879 --> 02:34:49,400
Speaker 4: him and people that he has designated at being worthy

2528
02:34:50,959 --> 02:34:57,119
Speaker 4: the relationship right now between this country, this country's leadership,

2529
02:34:57,680 --> 02:35:04,640
Speaker 4: and the Nigerian leadership. He is a predator looking at

2530
02:35:05,680 --> 02:35:11,119
Speaker 4: what looks to be a victim, looks to be an

2531
02:35:11,200 --> 02:35:17,160
Speaker 4: opportunity to take something else from somebody. Nigeria has to

2532
02:35:17,320 --> 02:35:22,520
Speaker 4: recognize that it is part of a much larger entity

2533
02:35:23,440 --> 02:35:30,040
Speaker 4: than this country, and that it has allies and friends

2534
02:35:30,400 --> 02:35:36,400
Speaker 4: willing to stand up and to help support Nigeria against

2535
02:35:36,720 --> 02:35:45,720
Speaker 4: this country. What is going on is somebody else's agenda

2536
02:35:46,800 --> 02:35:52,840
Speaker 4: trying to basically force itself on to an African agenda.

2537
02:35:53,720 --> 02:35:58,320
Speaker 4: Nigeria needs to step away from its government leaders. Governmental

2538
02:35:58,440 --> 02:36:03,560
Speaker 4: leaders need to step away from doing business with mister

2539
02:36:03,640 --> 02:36:08,920
Speaker 4: Trump and any of the people representing him. Working with

2540
02:36:09,160 --> 02:36:13,080
Speaker 4: mister Trump will not benefit Nigeria. We need to again

2541
02:36:13,280 --> 02:36:19,800
Speaker 4: focus only on what you're going to benefit us. That's

2542
02:36:19,840 --> 02:36:22,760
Speaker 4: what they need, That's what they need to do, gotcha.

2543
02:36:23,160 --> 02:36:25,560
Speaker 1: Twenty three after the top of our family, we're discussing

2544
02:36:25,760 --> 02:36:28,360
Speaker 1: having a wide RIGI in discussing with doctor David Horne

2545
02:36:28,360 --> 02:36:31,840
Speaker 1: the situation and what's going on with the Trump administration

2546
02:36:31,920 --> 02:36:35,800
Speaker 1: attack in Venezuela and also Nigeria, and also twenty twenty six,

2547
02:36:35,920 --> 02:36:37,640
Speaker 1: what's the issue for us.

2548
02:36:37,840 --> 02:36:38,680
Speaker 3: Do we need a plan?

2549
02:36:38,800 --> 02:36:40,680
Speaker 1: Do we need a black agenda? We talk about this

2550
02:36:40,800 --> 02:36:42,560
Speaker 1: quite a bit, and if so, what should be the

2551
02:36:42,640 --> 02:36:45,320
Speaker 1: components of that black agenda. Carl is calling us from

2552
02:36:45,360 --> 02:36:48,000
Speaker 1: West Palm Beach in Florida, next to Trump Country. He's

2553
02:36:48,080 --> 02:36:51,080
Speaker 1: on line four. Grand Rising, Carl and Habadi Ghani. You're

2554
02:36:51,080 --> 02:36:57,280
Speaker 1: around with doctor David Horn. It's Carl there online four.

2555
02:36:58,959 --> 02:37:00,600
Speaker 1: All right, it's moved down the line. Then let's go

2556
02:37:00,680 --> 02:37:05,120
Speaker 1: to Alex Alex and Alexandra, he's online one Grand rising, Alex.

2557
02:37:07,520 --> 02:37:11,840
Speaker 4: Yes, my grandprising was seven am this morning. That'll be

2558
02:37:11,920 --> 02:37:16,000
Speaker 4: my new introduction in the morning. My grand rising was

2559
02:37:16,080 --> 02:37:22,520
Speaker 4: seven am in the morning. Good money, brother, Okay, good morning.

2560
02:37:22,760 --> 02:37:29,080
Speaker 4: This is my agenda for twenty twenty six. That Black

2561
02:37:29,160 --> 02:37:35,560
Speaker 4: America needs to know. We had black another churches all

2562
02:37:35,680 --> 02:37:40,320
Speaker 4: over the United States. And the part that sickens me

2563
02:37:40,640 --> 02:37:43,800
Speaker 4: with the black churches is that they had ATMs in

2564
02:37:43,879 --> 02:37:48,039
Speaker 4: the churches. With the ATMs, why can't they put their

2565
02:37:48,120 --> 02:37:51,119
Speaker 4: minds together to come up with for credit union under

2566
02:37:51,160 --> 02:37:55,920
Speaker 4: that organization name that's that that that's the first step

2567
02:37:56,000 --> 02:38:00,600
Speaker 4: that that that needs to be addressed. The Congressation needs

2568
02:38:00,680 --> 02:38:04,039
Speaker 4: to go to whoever's in charge to make them demand

2569
02:38:04,200 --> 02:38:08,760
Speaker 4: that they have a Black credit union be built inside

2570
02:38:08,800 --> 02:38:11,920
Speaker 4: of the church, and and and that will start the

2571
02:38:12,040 --> 02:38:16,560
Speaker 4: ball game right there. These foreigners come over here, Uh,

2572
02:38:16,680 --> 02:38:21,840
Speaker 4: they had their organizations that work for them. Why because

2573
02:38:21,840 --> 02:38:27,600
Speaker 4: as soon as they get here, organizations like CASSA tell

2574
02:38:27,680 --> 02:38:30,320
Speaker 4: them where to put their money at and into a

2575
02:38:30,400 --> 02:38:33,640
Speaker 4: bank that's going to thrive for them. And as you

2576
02:38:33,760 --> 02:38:38,240
Speaker 4: see they are thriving, we are not. We just continue

2577
02:38:38,320 --> 02:38:44,959
Speaker 4: on just with these thinking and big dreams that's never

2578
02:38:45,040 --> 02:38:47,080
Speaker 4: going to come true because we never had the right

2579
02:38:47,440 --> 02:38:51,119
Speaker 4: people that works for us. I heard a gentleman mention

2580
02:38:51,240 --> 02:38:54,360
Speaker 4: the Black Carcass. The Black Carcass is part of the

2581
02:38:54,440 --> 02:38:57,480
Speaker 4: Democratic Party that never did nothing for us since the

2582
02:38:57,560 --> 02:39:01,200
Speaker 4: eighteen hundreds. As we're coming into twenty two and still

2583
02:39:01,320 --> 02:39:04,400
Speaker 4: not doing anything. I was listening to a top show

2584
02:39:04,600 --> 02:39:09,800
Speaker 4: that that comes on your show right after your show

2585
02:39:09,840 --> 02:39:12,360
Speaker 4: on Friday call. They had a center to there that

2586
02:39:13,000 --> 02:39:17,320
Speaker 4: needed him at a Black meeting. His response was he

2587
02:39:17,440 --> 02:39:19,640
Speaker 4: cannot make it to the Black meeting because he had

2588
02:39:19,720 --> 02:39:23,640
Speaker 4: session the next day. Antonio Hayes, listen up, my brother,

2589
02:39:24,560 --> 02:39:28,360
Speaker 4: if you would have went to that meeting, they had

2590
02:39:28,560 --> 02:39:31,080
Speaker 4: some questions for you that would have been in the

2591
02:39:31,200 --> 02:39:33,080
Speaker 4: session that you could have bring back to them to

2592
02:39:33,200 --> 02:39:37,000
Speaker 4: help them. Y'all gotta vote that Antonio Haayes out of office.

2593
02:39:37,040 --> 02:39:39,960
Speaker 4: That Democrat that's not gonna work for you. He gotta

2594
02:39:40,040 --> 02:39:44,240
Speaker 4: go when he said that, I'm sorry, he should immediately

2595
02:39:45,360 --> 02:39:48,160
Speaker 4: that talk sho Hold should never have that man back

2596
02:39:48,240 --> 02:39:50,680
Speaker 4: on that ad game. He's not working for y'all. We

2597
02:39:50,879 --> 02:39:53,640
Speaker 4: have to thank black and that's what I'm gonna do

2598
02:39:53,760 --> 02:39:56,560
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty six. And thanks for taking my call card.

2599
02:39:56,879 --> 02:40:00,360
Speaker 1: All right, thanks Alex, and basically asked you some may blackleeadership,

2600
02:40:01,120 --> 02:40:02,279
Speaker 1: Doctor Horne, your thoughts.

2601
02:40:05,160 --> 02:40:12,760
Speaker 4: Black leadership that looks at itself as the only leadership

2602
02:40:14,040 --> 02:40:18,240
Speaker 4: that for Black folk to move forward, you have to

2603
02:40:18,320 --> 02:40:22,880
Speaker 4: follow me, you have to support me, you have to

2604
02:40:24,320 --> 02:40:29,800
Speaker 4: raise me up. That's not what we have been advocating

2605
02:40:29,959 --> 02:40:37,039
Speaker 4: all morning. Black leadership that understands it is a part

2606
02:40:37,280 --> 02:40:42,920
Speaker 4: of a larger movement forward. If I can't make it

2607
02:40:43,120 --> 02:40:49,520
Speaker 4: to this critical public meeting, I will send an aid.

2608
02:40:49,800 --> 02:40:53,400
Speaker 4: I will send somebody from my office to be there.

2609
02:40:55,640 --> 02:41:02,640
Speaker 4: Black leadership that does not understand not the only one

2610
02:41:02,959 --> 02:41:08,000
Speaker 4: who's important, is the wrong kind of leadership. Again, we

2611
02:41:08,200 --> 02:41:09,480
Speaker 4: need to expand.

2612
02:41:09,240 --> 02:41:12,520
Speaker 1: Let me jump in here and ask you what alex

2613
02:41:12,640 --> 02:41:16,160
Speaker 1: is on the road to the questions as black leadership failed.

2614
02:41:15,920 --> 02:41:19,760
Speaker 4: Us, No, it has not failed us. We have failed

2615
02:41:20,400 --> 02:41:26,480
Speaker 4: to demand the right kind of leadership from them. That's

2616
02:41:26,520 --> 02:41:29,920
Speaker 4: where the failure is. We need to stop focusing on well,

2617
02:41:30,280 --> 02:41:32,920
Speaker 4: you didn't say this, you didn't show up to this meeting,

2618
02:41:33,280 --> 02:41:36,520
Speaker 4: you didn't make sure I got this grant. That may

2619
02:41:36,680 --> 02:41:44,440
Speaker 4: not have been the only solution. Whoever has decided that

2620
02:41:44,640 --> 02:41:50,200
Speaker 4: they have enough talent to be in the decision making room,

2621
02:41:51,080 --> 02:41:57,560
Speaker 4: in the arena where things are being decided. To move forward,

2622
02:41:57,640 --> 02:42:02,000
Speaker 4: to help somebody, you want to have somebody who remembers

2623
02:42:02,160 --> 02:42:07,480
Speaker 4: you in those situations, you have to call email or

2624
02:42:07,560 --> 02:42:09,800
Speaker 4: go to their office. You have to demand that they

2625
02:42:09,920 --> 02:42:14,119
Speaker 4: remember you're not in office for yourself. You're an office,

2626
02:42:14,160 --> 02:42:18,280
Speaker 4: so you are in charge for me. We have to

2627
02:42:18,440 --> 02:42:24,400
Speaker 4: again remember that going forward doing better is more than

2628
02:42:24,560 --> 02:42:31,000
Speaker 4: just one person, more than just an individual opportunity. It

2629
02:42:31,200 --> 02:42:37,400
Speaker 4: is about you doing what is necessary to be in

2630
02:42:37,600 --> 02:42:41,640
Speaker 4: charge and then remembering that you are in charge for me,

2631
02:42:42,040 --> 02:42:46,560
Speaker 4: not for you. Again, the focused car has to be

2632
02:42:46,800 --> 02:42:52,119
Speaker 4: on how do we move forward? How do we come

2633
02:42:52,240 --> 02:42:57,400
Speaker 4: up with plans? Not a plan, but plans to move forward.

2634
02:42:59,200 --> 02:43:05,440
Speaker 4: You benefit and I benefit, not just you benefit. That's

2635
02:43:05,520 --> 02:43:06,199
Speaker 4: moving forward.

2636
02:43:07,200 --> 02:43:07,560
Speaker 3: Gotcha.

2637
02:43:08,000 --> 02:43:10,280
Speaker 1: Thirty minutes after tough our family, you two can get

2638
02:43:10,320 --> 02:43:12,760
Speaker 1: in on this conversation with our guest, doctor David Horn.

2639
02:43:13,160 --> 02:43:16,400
Speaker 1: Professor Horn taught critical thinking at the collegiate level, and

2640
02:43:16,440 --> 02:43:18,640
Speaker 1: I mentioned that that's why we have him on here

2641
02:43:18,680 --> 02:43:21,640
Speaker 1: to teach us to use that technique when all we

2642
02:43:21,760 --> 02:43:24,320
Speaker 1: seem to have a bunch of problems of facing us

2643
02:43:24,360 --> 02:43:26,440
Speaker 1: and trying to come with some solutions. That's why we

2644
02:43:26,480 --> 02:43:28,440
Speaker 1: always try to make it simple, say free your mind

2645
02:43:28,480 --> 02:43:30,120
Speaker 1: and think for yourself. But you got to know how

2646
02:43:30,160 --> 02:43:32,680
Speaker 1: to think for yourself. And this is a doctor David

2647
02:43:32,720 --> 02:43:35,680
Speaker 1: Horn's role eight hundred and four or five zero seventy

2648
02:43:35,680 --> 02:43:37,800
Speaker 1: eight to seventy six. Brother Callis is calling us. He's

2649
02:43:37,840 --> 02:43:41,080
Speaker 1: in Waldorf, Maryland. He's online. Two grand Rising brother Collins

2650
02:43:41,120 --> 02:43:43,520
Speaker 1: and Aboudi Ghani. Here I'm with doctor David Horn.

2651
02:43:44,200 --> 02:43:49,080
Speaker 12: Grand Rising Baraghani, My dear brothers, Doctor Horn, I appreciate

2652
02:43:49,400 --> 02:43:54,280
Speaker 12: your great your brilliant mind and your explanations and for

2653
02:43:54,400 --> 02:43:58,280
Speaker 12: all the speakers that what we have with the great strategy.

2654
02:43:58,800 --> 02:44:01,840
Speaker 12: I have this this one, this one question I wanted

2655
02:44:01,879 --> 02:44:05,040
Speaker 12: to ask, is that, Uh, when the bully has a

2656
02:44:05,200 --> 02:44:11,600
Speaker 12: gun and at your head, and by that I mean

2657
02:44:11,840 --> 02:44:16,800
Speaker 12: he controls the army, the navy, the air force, uh,

2658
02:44:17,760 --> 02:44:22,640
Speaker 12: all aspects of the military and the police forces, and

2659
02:44:22,760 --> 02:44:28,240
Speaker 12: he has a gun at your head, how can we

2660
02:44:30,120 --> 02:44:36,440
Speaker 12: overcome that situation? Went that under that constant threat. I'll

2661
02:44:36,480 --> 02:44:40,640
Speaker 12: give you an example. Terrence, Terrence Bud Crawford, a three

2662
02:44:40,720 --> 02:44:46,760
Speaker 12: time world champion from Omaha, Nebraska, from Nebraska known as

2663
02:44:46,879 --> 02:44:52,360
Speaker 12: the Pride of Omaha, on the day that they gave

2664
02:44:52,480 --> 02:44:56,760
Speaker 12: up parade for him, was pulled over and pulled out

2665
02:44:56,800 --> 02:45:00,400
Speaker 12: of his vehicle and with a gun to his head.

2666
02:45:01,520 --> 02:45:05,400
Speaker 12: And even though he had licensed security guards in his car,

2667
02:45:06,000 --> 02:45:13,400
Speaker 12: licensed with their guns, they still put him at risk

2668
02:45:13,560 --> 02:45:17,440
Speaker 12: of being shot and threatened and took his guns out

2669
02:45:17,560 --> 02:45:22,039
Speaker 12: until they could prove otherwise. So, when a bully has

2670
02:45:22,080 --> 02:45:28,359
Speaker 12: a gun to your head, which is his great intimidation

2671
02:45:28,680 --> 02:45:32,879
Speaker 12: against us as a nation, what do we do as

2672
02:45:32,959 --> 02:45:37,000
Speaker 12: a people in that situation? My dear brother, and I'll

2673
02:45:37,040 --> 02:45:38,640
Speaker 12: take my answer affair unless you have.

2674
02:45:38,680 --> 02:45:39,440
Speaker 4: The question for me.

2675
02:45:39,959 --> 02:45:40,240
Speaker 10: Thank you.

2676
02:45:43,200 --> 02:45:50,600
Speaker 4: Here's what we do. Momentarily, we need to get the

2677
02:45:50,720 --> 02:45:56,520
Speaker 4: advantage back to us and not them. Momentarily they may

2678
02:45:56,640 --> 02:46:03,359
Speaker 4: have the advantage. We need to to utilize our own strength.

2679
02:46:05,320 --> 02:46:05,720
Speaker 2: Look for.

2680
02:46:07,360 --> 02:46:13,280
Speaker 4: Any weaknesses in the bully's capture of us at that moment,

2681
02:46:14,360 --> 02:46:20,879
Speaker 4: get out of the situation. Make sure we have license

2682
02:46:20,959 --> 02:46:25,080
Speaker 4: plates and all other information that we need to punish

2683
02:46:25,920 --> 02:46:31,240
Speaker 4: the bully after we get out of the immediate situation. Sometimes,

2684
02:46:32,959 --> 02:46:36,800
Speaker 4: when we are in the water drowning, we don't need

2685
02:46:36,959 --> 02:46:42,160
Speaker 4: to worry about we're down. Maybe I should have stayed

2686
02:46:42,160 --> 02:46:46,760
Speaker 4: in class longer. Maybe I should not have gotten in

2687
02:46:47,560 --> 02:46:48,480
Speaker 4: this kind of water.

2688
02:46:49,160 --> 02:46:50,760
Speaker 5: You were in it already.

2689
02:46:51,240 --> 02:46:54,680
Speaker 4: Worrying about how you got in it is not the issue.

2690
02:46:54,879 --> 02:46:57,840
Speaker 4: How do you get out? How do you save yourself

2691
02:46:58,440 --> 02:47:01,200
Speaker 4: so that you can make a better choice next time.

2692
02:47:01,760 --> 02:47:05,160
Speaker 4: It's about moving forward. So if you have the bully

2693
02:47:06,879 --> 02:47:12,359
Speaker 4: taking advantage of being a bully, you have to recognize

2694
02:47:12,400 --> 02:47:16,320
Speaker 4: and this is a momentary power dynamic. This is not

2695
02:47:16,440 --> 02:47:19,840
Speaker 4: going to last. I need to survive this particular moment

2696
02:47:21,240 --> 02:47:26,400
Speaker 4: and make sure this does not happen again. You will

2697
02:47:26,480 --> 02:47:29,520
Speaker 4: not get a chance to put me in this position again.

2698
02:47:30,879 --> 02:47:34,160
Speaker 4: Moving forward, How do we move forward? That has to

2699
02:47:34,240 --> 02:47:38,160
Speaker 4: be the essence of every decision. How do we move forward?

2700
02:47:40,600 --> 02:47:42,360
Speaker 1: Twenty six away from the top of a thank you

2701
02:47:42,480 --> 02:47:45,840
Speaker 1: calling for your call, doctor Horne. He said, we need,

2702
02:47:46,040 --> 02:47:48,560
Speaker 1: we need a black agenda, we need we need to

2703
02:47:48,720 --> 02:47:51,120
Speaker 1: come up with a plan. And we also made and

2704
02:47:51,360 --> 02:47:53,360
Speaker 1: I think it was Alex the shortcomings of some of

2705
02:47:53,440 --> 02:47:56,080
Speaker 1: our leaders having said that, though, who's going to come

2706
02:47:56,160 --> 02:47:57,800
Speaker 1: up with a plan, and what are some of the

2707
02:47:58,280 --> 02:48:00,480
Speaker 1: what's some of the main objectives of the plan. And

2708
02:48:00,760 --> 02:48:03,039
Speaker 1: once we come up with a plan, we'll we've come up,

2709
02:48:03,080 --> 02:48:05,240
Speaker 1: we've got the framework for the plan, and we've got

2710
02:48:05,280 --> 02:48:05,920
Speaker 1: the objectives.

2711
02:48:06,280 --> 02:48:09,199
Speaker 3: How we're going to implement it? That's my question.

2712
02:48:10,959 --> 02:48:20,280
Speaker 4: The part of coming together in a respectful way to

2713
02:48:21,760 --> 02:48:29,840
Speaker 4: exchange ideas with each other he is to identify what

2714
02:48:31,120 --> 02:48:35,200
Speaker 4: should be the plan that we're working on. Who is

2715
02:48:35,320 --> 02:48:38,840
Speaker 4: qualified or who is still or who had been trained

2716
02:48:38,879 --> 02:48:43,160
Speaker 4: to work on these aspects of the plan, and when

2717
02:48:43,440 --> 02:48:48,160
Speaker 4: is the plan going to be completed. Making decisions about

2718
02:48:48,760 --> 02:48:54,760
Speaker 4: moving forward is first of all, deciding who is going

2719
02:48:54,840 --> 02:49:00,680
Speaker 4: to decide what moving forward looks like. You've ask a

2720
02:49:00,720 --> 02:49:05,640
Speaker 4: an organizational question called part of what we do is

2721
02:49:05,680 --> 02:49:08,879
Speaker 4: spend too much time on who's gonna be in charge,

2722
02:49:09,160 --> 02:49:13,200
Speaker 4: who's gonna make it, who's gonna make a determination, and

2723
02:49:13,520 --> 02:49:15,360
Speaker 4: and why do I have to follow this person. I

2724
02:49:15,440 --> 02:49:18,119
Speaker 4: don't even like Why why do I have to follow

2725
02:49:18,200 --> 02:49:22,320
Speaker 4: this person that I think I'm better than them? Those

2726
02:49:22,560 --> 02:49:28,120
Speaker 4: other concerns keep getting in the way. We need to

2727
02:49:28,240 --> 02:49:31,560
Speaker 4: have think tanks. We have smart folks. We have black

2728
02:49:31,640 --> 02:49:38,160
Speaker 4: folk who have gone over black history, African American history,

2729
02:49:39,120 --> 02:49:44,039
Speaker 4: pan African history, economics, et cetera. We have people who

2730
02:49:44,800 --> 02:49:50,119
Speaker 4: have prepared themselves. We need to decide to meet, respect

2731
02:49:50,200 --> 02:49:55,360
Speaker 4: each other, identify the way forward, and get to working.

2732
02:49:58,600 --> 02:50:00,920
Speaker 1: We got to take a last break twenty three minutes

2733
02:50:00,920 --> 02:50:02,560
Speaker 1: away from the top day, and we come back though,

2734
02:50:02,959 --> 02:50:06,680
Speaker 1: tell us should they have this plan in secret? Because

2735
02:50:06,720 --> 02:50:08,800
Speaker 1: you know we'll always find one of us to sell

2736
02:50:08,879 --> 02:50:12,680
Speaker 1: us out. They do it boldly these days, So should

2737
02:50:12,720 --> 02:50:15,800
Speaker 1: they just do we? Should we have this plan put together,

2738
02:50:15,840 --> 02:50:19,080
Speaker 1: this plan in private, not on the radio, not be

2739
02:50:19,200 --> 02:50:22,000
Speaker 1: in print, and with people that we can trust.

2740
02:50:22,040 --> 02:50:23,880
Speaker 3: And that's the whole another issue right there.

2741
02:50:24,120 --> 02:50:26,600
Speaker 1: And then then when they have the plan presenting to

2742
02:50:26,760 --> 02:50:29,760
Speaker 1: us as the people to vote on it or accept

2743
02:50:29,800 --> 02:50:31,680
Speaker 1: it or do what whatever we want to do with it,

2744
02:50:31,879 --> 02:50:34,000
Speaker 1: I'll let you thrash that out when we get back.

2745
02:50:34,040 --> 02:50:36,000
Speaker 1: It's twenty three minutes away from the top day. Our

2746
02:50:36,040 --> 02:50:38,600
Speaker 1: family just checking in. I guess this is doctor David Horn.

2747
02:50:38,640 --> 02:50:40,800
Speaker 1: Doctor Horne is a critical thinking expert. He taught that

2748
02:50:41,200 --> 02:50:43,280
Speaker 1: at the college level. That's what he's teaching us this morning,

2749
02:50:43,320 --> 02:50:45,880
Speaker 1: how to become critical thinkers. You want to speak to him,

2750
02:50:45,920 --> 02:50:47,760
Speaker 1: reach out to us at eight hundred four or five

2751
02:50:47,879 --> 02:50:50,760
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone

2752
02:50:50,800 --> 02:50:53,640
Speaker 1: calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for staying with

2753
02:50:53,800 --> 02:50:57,160
Speaker 1: us on this Tuesday morning and the fifth day of Quanza.

2754
02:50:57,200 --> 02:50:59,680
Speaker 1: About it ghani and that means what's happening, what's going on?

2755
02:51:00,200 --> 02:51:03,720
Speaker 1: What's the news? Actually that's the official translation in Swahili,

2756
02:51:04,040 --> 02:51:07,480
Speaker 1: And your response is nia, which means purpose uh, Doctor Horn.

2757
02:51:07,560 --> 02:51:09,920
Speaker 1: Before we left, I was talking our question to you

2758
02:51:09,959 --> 02:51:11,680
Speaker 1: about this plan. We needed to have a plan. We

2759
02:51:11,760 --> 02:51:14,320
Speaker 1: talked about earlier before you got here, about Project twenty

2760
02:51:14,400 --> 02:51:17,720
Speaker 1: twenty five. And they created that plan plan years ago,

2761
02:51:18,520 --> 02:51:21,640
Speaker 1: probably decades ago, and then they implemented and it's working

2762
02:51:21,680 --> 02:51:24,040
Speaker 1: to position right now. They've almost completed everything that was

2763
02:51:24,080 --> 02:51:26,640
Speaker 1: in that plan. Other groups know this and they probably

2764
02:51:26,680 --> 02:51:28,400
Speaker 1: have their plan too, and we don't know about it.

2765
02:51:28,920 --> 02:51:31,640
Speaker 1: My question to it is, though, when we decide that

2766
02:51:31,680 --> 02:51:33,080
Speaker 1: we're going to do this plan, come over with a

2767
02:51:33,160 --> 02:51:36,680
Speaker 1: black agenda? How are we do we keep it out

2768
02:51:36,680 --> 02:51:38,480
Speaker 1: of the eyes of the media. Should should this be

2769
02:51:38,600 --> 02:51:41,960
Speaker 1: discussed on the radio? Should be? Should it be we

2770
02:51:42,120 --> 02:51:44,440
Speaker 1: invite everyone to have some sort of an input, or

2771
02:51:44,520 --> 02:51:46,840
Speaker 1: should they be done in private? And then and then

2772
02:51:46,879 --> 02:51:48,280
Speaker 1: we just say, hey, this is the plan, this is

2773
02:51:48,320 --> 02:51:51,080
Speaker 1: where we're going. If you can pledge to join us,

2774
02:51:51,160 --> 02:51:53,600
Speaker 1: if you will and see where you fit in.

2775
02:51:54,280 --> 02:51:55,000
Speaker 3: How do we handle that.

2776
02:51:57,760 --> 02:52:06,360
Speaker 4: The Looking back at the history of black planning for

2777
02:52:06,560 --> 02:52:13,480
Speaker 4: a black progress, it is clear that we cannot do

2778
02:52:14,959 --> 02:52:19,400
Speaker 4: the kind of serious planning in public that we need

2779
02:52:19,560 --> 02:52:26,800
Speaker 4: to do. To move forward. You need to identify a

2780
02:52:27,000 --> 02:52:37,520
Speaker 4: place to retire into discussions and laying out what has

2781
02:52:37,640 --> 02:52:41,720
Speaker 4: to be done, who's to get it done, when is

2782
02:52:41,800 --> 02:52:44,200
Speaker 4: it to be done, and how to get it done.

2783
02:52:44,879 --> 02:52:47,520
Speaker 4: You need to be away from the public glare. You

2784
02:52:47,680 --> 02:52:51,760
Speaker 4: got to be inside of something, inside of a mountain,

2785
02:52:51,840 --> 02:52:57,440
Speaker 4: inside of a building, inside of something, away from the public.

2786
02:52:58,360 --> 02:53:04,560
Speaker 4: The plan needs to at least be private until you

2787
02:53:04,720 --> 02:53:09,560
Speaker 4: have a plan. Once the plan has been decided upon,

2788
02:53:09,720 --> 02:53:13,680
Speaker 4: and it cannot be decided upon by one person, It

2789
02:53:13,920 --> 02:53:17,640
Speaker 4: has to be a group decision. You have to be

2790
02:53:17,760 --> 02:53:21,080
Speaker 4: able to talk to each other enough to be able

2791
02:53:21,160 --> 02:53:24,879
Speaker 4: to identify who has talent for what part of the plan.

2792
02:53:26,400 --> 02:53:30,720
Speaker 4: Once you have come to some agreement about this is

2793
02:53:30,840 --> 02:53:34,560
Speaker 4: what we are going to do, you have to also

2794
02:53:35,120 --> 02:53:38,280
Speaker 4: come to an agreement about how you're going to handle

2795
02:53:40,200 --> 02:53:46,679
Speaker 4: threats to the plan. If you're trying to trim across.

2796
02:53:47,920 --> 02:53:48,520
Speaker 5: A river.

2797
02:53:49,959 --> 02:53:52,720
Speaker 4: Ten of you, twelve of you, fifteen of you, you

2798
02:53:52,879 --> 02:53:55,840
Speaker 4: need to get to the other side in order to

2799
02:53:56,640 --> 02:53:59,800
Speaker 4: implement whatever planning you've come up with.

2800
02:54:01,400 --> 02:54:02,240
Speaker 5: On the way.

2801
02:54:03,560 --> 02:54:09,080
Speaker 4: To the other side of the river, somebody starts drowning,

2802
02:54:09,720 --> 02:54:18,400
Speaker 4: somebody can't quite make it. Do you then all try

2803
02:54:18,480 --> 02:54:23,680
Speaker 4: to go and save the person who is drowning and

2804
02:54:27,959 --> 02:54:31,400
Speaker 4: postpone the plan until you have saved somebody from drowning,

2805
02:54:32,640 --> 02:54:34,840
Speaker 4: and then you all end up drowning and you never

2806
02:54:34,920 --> 02:54:37,039
Speaker 4: get to the other side. Or do you make another

2807
02:54:37,160 --> 02:54:42,800
Speaker 4: decision on the way to the other side about how

2808
02:54:43,080 --> 02:54:49,160
Speaker 4: to handle one of your planners now having difficulty. Does

2809
02:54:49,320 --> 02:54:52,640
Speaker 4: everybody come to try to save that person, or does

2810
02:54:53,080 --> 02:54:57,560
Speaker 4: the strongest swimmer in the group go and help the

2811
02:54:57,680 --> 02:55:02,920
Speaker 4: person who is having difficult Or Again, planning has to

2812
02:55:03,040 --> 02:55:08,080
Speaker 4: be about what is it that we are trying to plan,

2813
02:55:09,760 --> 02:55:15,080
Speaker 4: Who is it best qualified to get the plan done.

2814
02:55:16,400 --> 02:55:19,879
Speaker 4: How can we get the plan implemented.

2815
02:55:20,360 --> 02:55:21,480
Speaker 5: You've got a.

2816
02:55:21,680 --> 02:55:26,119
Speaker 4: Series of decisions to be made in the planning.

2817
02:55:27,640 --> 02:55:28,480
Speaker 5: What we have to.

2818
02:55:30,080 --> 02:55:36,960
Speaker 4: Work on right now, call is avoiding the egotisms and

2819
02:55:37,200 --> 02:55:40,640
Speaker 4: the I'm in charge and I'll tell you what to do.

2820
02:55:41,200 --> 02:55:46,880
Speaker 4: That's not planning, that's being directed. We have gotten into

2821
02:55:46,920 --> 02:55:53,800
Speaker 4: the habit of looking for the leader, the group, the

2822
02:55:54,080 --> 02:56:00,520
Speaker 4: idea and substituting those for a plan. Those are not plans,

2823
02:56:01,680 --> 02:56:07,080
Speaker 4: those are simply uh voices in the in the room there.

2824
02:56:07,959 --> 02:56:11,280
Speaker 4: Let me give you an example. A few days ago

2825
02:56:12,320 --> 02:56:19,520
Speaker 4: in Maryland, the a decision was made to overturn the

2826
02:56:21,840 --> 02:56:29,000
Speaker 4: governor's decision that reparations UH, the issue about reparations was

2827
02:56:29,360 --> 02:56:32,360
Speaker 4: was over with. We are not going to create a

2828
02:56:33,920 --> 02:56:35,400
Speaker 4: a reparations commission.

2829
02:56:35,600 --> 02:56:36,400
Speaker 5: We have to move on.

2830
02:56:38,440 --> 02:56:48,000
Speaker 4: The legislators overcame that decision and a commission was decided upon.

2831
02:56:49,360 --> 02:56:54,080
Speaker 4: Some people don't think the commission is the answer or

2832
02:56:54,280 --> 02:56:58,720
Speaker 4: an answer, a proper answer to what uh the reparations

2833
02:56:58,800 --> 02:57:04,920
Speaker 4: issue has raised. Whether some people think they should have

2834
02:57:05,000 --> 02:57:08,480
Speaker 4: had a commission or not does not matter. They now

2835
02:57:08,560 --> 02:57:12,920
Speaker 4: have a commission. Let's look to see whether that commission

2836
02:57:13,120 --> 02:57:17,000
Speaker 4: actually comes up with a reparation's plan. Are the people

2837
02:57:17,120 --> 02:57:22,560
Speaker 4: on the commission going to be able to not get

2838
02:57:22,640 --> 02:57:28,080
Speaker 4: overwhelmed by their own sense of importance, their own sense

2839
02:57:28,160 --> 02:57:34,560
Speaker 4: of they are the most important card in the in

2840
02:57:34,680 --> 02:57:37,760
Speaker 4: the commission's decision making. Are we going to be able

2841
02:57:38,240 --> 02:57:42,920
Speaker 4: to tone down the selfishness long enough to focus on

2842
02:57:43,720 --> 02:57:49,200
Speaker 4: the issue at hand. Planners sometimes get too caught up

2843
02:57:49,280 --> 02:57:55,520
Speaker 4: in themselves and they forget the plan, They forget why

2844
02:57:55,560 --> 02:57:59,760
Speaker 4: they're there, They forget what they will be coming up with. If,

2845
02:57:59,800 --> 02:58:07,520
Speaker 4: for example, we're talking about the Montgomery bus boycott, if

2846
02:58:07,640 --> 02:58:11,879
Speaker 4: the people in the room who decided that there will

2847
02:58:11,920 --> 02:58:15,880
Speaker 4: be a boycott decided that now it's more important that

2848
02:58:15,959 --> 02:58:18,800
Speaker 4: people follow me. It's more important that they listen to

2849
02:58:19,360 --> 02:58:22,200
Speaker 4: the way I want to go. Or is it more

2850
02:58:22,240 --> 02:58:24,879
Speaker 4: important to come up with a plan that's going to work.

2851
02:58:26,720 --> 02:58:29,120
Speaker 4: Is it me the personality, or.

2852
02:58:29,320 --> 02:58:29,959
Speaker 5: Is it.

2853
02:58:32,200 --> 02:58:36,959
Speaker 4: What we're aiming at. We have to tone down the personalities.

2854
02:58:37,480 --> 02:58:41,640
Speaker 4: We have to tone down how great I am and

2855
02:58:41,840 --> 02:58:46,199
Speaker 4: focus on what has to be done. It moves us forward.

2856
02:58:47,040 --> 02:58:51,680
Speaker 4: If most of the people get across the river and

2857
02:58:52,280 --> 02:58:58,199
Speaker 4: focused on the strategy of getting something done, everybody getting

2858
02:58:58,200 --> 02:59:01,280
Speaker 4: across the river may not work. Some people may have

2859
02:59:01,440 --> 02:59:01,880
Speaker 4: to drown.

2860
02:59:04,480 --> 02:59:04,680
Speaker 5: Wow.

2861
02:59:04,840 --> 02:59:07,880
Speaker 1: Hold thought right there the folks. Yeah, we got some

2862
02:59:07,959 --> 02:59:09,680
Speaker 1: more folks who want to talk to you. The tweet

2863
02:59:09,800 --> 02:59:12,600
Speaker 1: question too, U, Dr Horn. A rock mon is reaching

2864
02:59:12,640 --> 02:59:14,640
Speaker 1: out to us. He's calling from New York on line

2865
02:59:14,680 --> 02:59:17,720
Speaker 1: one Grand Rising rock Money. You're on with Doctor David Horn.

2866
02:59:20,920 --> 02:59:21,480
Speaker 5: Morning bro.

2867
02:59:23,680 --> 02:59:28,920
Speaker 1: Rockman, Kevin? Did Rockman hang up? I think Rockman hung up?

2868
02:59:29,000 --> 02:59:31,039
Speaker 1: All right, here's a tweet question for you, Dr Horn.

2869
02:59:31,320 --> 02:59:33,360
Speaker 1: The tweeter says, shouldn't we be moving away from these

2870
02:59:33,400 --> 02:59:38,879
Speaker 1: white people and supporting one another? Shouldn't we leave their military?

2871
02:59:38,920 --> 02:59:42,279
Speaker 1: Shouldn't we arm ourselves to protect our families from this government?

2872
02:59:42,440 --> 02:59:43,640
Speaker 1: It's a deep question right there.

2873
02:59:46,000 --> 02:59:49,040
Speaker 4: There are some people who do need to do exactly that.

2874
02:59:50,000 --> 02:59:52,920
Speaker 4: There are some people who do need to arm themselves.

2875
02:59:53,400 --> 02:59:57,080
Speaker 4: Everybody does not need to do right now the same thing.

2876
02:59:57,720 --> 03:00:01,120
Speaker 4: We have not come out with a battle clear battle

2877
03:00:01,200 --> 03:00:10,240
Speaker 4: plan and identified everybody's assignment. All of us should not

2878
03:00:10,400 --> 03:00:14,080
Speaker 4: be in the military. No, that won't work. All of

2879
03:00:14,200 --> 03:00:17,760
Speaker 4: us should not be running for office. No, that's not

2880
03:00:17,840 --> 03:00:21,840
Speaker 4: gonna work either. We need to decide where we're trying

2881
03:00:21,920 --> 03:00:27,360
Speaker 4: to go and how best to get there. What who's

2882
03:00:27,480 --> 03:00:31,960
Speaker 4: best qualified to help us get there. We spend too

2883
03:00:32,040 --> 03:00:38,720
Speaker 4: much time arguing over silly stuff. Who's in charge, what

2884
03:00:38,879 --> 03:00:41,800
Speaker 4: kind of dress you're wearing, what kind of what's wrong

2885
03:00:41,879 --> 03:00:42,520
Speaker 4: with your hair?

2886
03:00:42,959 --> 03:00:43,680
Speaker 5: You know who?

2887
03:00:44,040 --> 03:00:48,240
Speaker 4: Who's screwing who? We spend too much time on stuff

2888
03:00:48,280 --> 03:00:51,760
Speaker 4: that doesn't have to do with the plan to move forward.

2889
03:00:53,480 --> 03:00:57,440
Speaker 4: Let's agree on the plan. Then we can identify who's

2890
03:00:57,480 --> 03:01:00,959
Speaker 4: going to implement the plan. Then we can identifire who

2891
03:01:01,160 --> 03:01:05,240
Speaker 4: is going to help get it done. How do we

2892
03:01:05,360 --> 03:01:12,040
Speaker 4: move forward? That has to be the logical question to

2893
03:01:12,200 --> 03:01:15,400
Speaker 4: put on the table. How do we move forward?

2894
03:01:15,840 --> 03:01:18,400
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this question. Are you optimistic

2895
03:01:18,800 --> 03:01:21,160
Speaker 1: about our future looking ahead?

2896
03:01:22,680 --> 03:01:27,360
Speaker 4: Yes? I am. And when you say it our future,

2897
03:01:29,520 --> 03:01:37,160
Speaker 4: I am looking at African people. We enough of us

2898
03:01:37,240 --> 03:01:40,240
Speaker 4: have been at the bottom long enough to recognize this

2899
03:01:40,360 --> 03:01:45,400
Speaker 4: ain't where we belong. Enough of us have been treated

2900
03:01:45,560 --> 03:01:51,680
Speaker 4: badly long enough to understand this is not working for us.

2901
03:01:54,520 --> 03:02:00,480
Speaker 4: There are handfuls of black folk who can sit in

2902
03:02:00,600 --> 03:02:03,520
Speaker 4: a room and work together and not spend the time

2903
03:02:04,280 --> 03:02:08,160
Speaker 4: cursing each other out, talking bad about who's doing who

2904
03:02:09,400 --> 03:02:12,000
Speaker 4: started worrying about who has more money than the other,

2905
03:02:12,040 --> 03:02:14,640
Speaker 4: who had a bigger car when they came to the meeting.

2906
03:02:15,240 --> 03:02:19,760
Speaker 4: There are groups of black folk in this country and

2907
03:02:19,879 --> 03:02:24,640
Speaker 4: in other countries who can get together in spite of

2908
03:02:24,959 --> 03:02:30,520
Speaker 4: all the difficulties lay out a plan for that particular

2909
03:02:30,640 --> 03:02:35,400
Speaker 4: area about moving forward. We need to get in those

2910
03:02:35,440 --> 03:02:41,680
Speaker 4: small groups, make those plans and move forward.

2911
03:02:41,800 --> 03:02:42,000
Speaker 5: Carl.

2912
03:02:44,800 --> 03:02:51,280
Speaker 1: And those plans, Doctor Horne, include cooperating or plans with Africa.

2913
03:02:51,840 --> 03:02:54,120
Speaker 1: Is that they core the plan as well wherever plan

2914
03:02:54,240 --> 03:02:55,880
Speaker 1: we come up with, because you know, some folks don't

2915
03:02:55,879 --> 03:02:56,600
Speaker 1: want to be African.

2916
03:02:56,879 --> 03:02:57,959
Speaker 3: Some people look like us.

2917
03:02:58,000 --> 03:03:02,560
Speaker 1: With you know, I know you're laughing, but we have

2918
03:03:02,760 --> 03:03:04,800
Speaker 1: We have some people who you know, I guess the

2919
03:03:04,840 --> 03:03:06,480
Speaker 1: look in the mirror and they think they're Asian or

2920
03:03:06,560 --> 03:03:09,600
Speaker 1: something else that they have a problem identify.

2921
03:03:09,280 --> 03:03:10,000
Speaker 5: That they want to be.

2922
03:03:10,120 --> 03:03:12,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, they want to run away being who they are.

2923
03:03:12,120 --> 03:03:12,720
Speaker 3: The run away.

2924
03:03:12,800 --> 03:03:16,720
Speaker 1: As a doctor Renoka rushidias to say anything but African.

2925
03:03:17,320 --> 03:03:21,200
Speaker 1: You know, so what what do we deal with do

2926
03:03:21,320 --> 03:03:23,320
Speaker 1: with those folks? Do we leave those folks behind or

2927
03:03:23,440 --> 03:03:26,400
Speaker 1: do we need Is Africa essential to our future?

2928
03:03:26,480 --> 03:03:32,360
Speaker 4: Then Africa is not only central. Africa is the beginning

2929
03:03:32,800 --> 03:03:36,520
Speaker 4: and Africa will be whatever end they come to. Africa

2930
03:03:36,840 --> 03:03:42,080
Speaker 4: is what it has been all about. That is what

2931
03:03:42,320 --> 03:03:45,920
Speaker 4: we need to build. That is what we need to

2932
03:03:46,879 --> 03:03:51,960
Speaker 4: make the permanent bold stone again, that is where human

2933
03:03:52,040 --> 03:03:55,240
Speaker 4: life began. That is where we need to return. We

2934
03:03:55,360 --> 03:04:00,400
Speaker 4: need to organize Africa for African people. Yeah, that is

2935
03:04:00,520 --> 03:04:04,160
Speaker 4: the ultimate. That's what we need to be doing. Take

2936
03:04:04,240 --> 03:04:09,440
Speaker 4: small meetings, take medium sized meetings, take whatever kind of

2937
03:04:09,600 --> 03:04:13,120
Speaker 4: grouping you have to have to identify what can we

2938
03:04:13,280 --> 03:04:15,440
Speaker 4: do to move forward toward that.

2939
03:04:18,080 --> 03:04:20,200
Speaker 1: Because you know, we've got a couple of groups out

2940
03:04:20,240 --> 03:04:23,200
Speaker 1: here are confusing. Folks say they adds and they are

2941
03:04:23,879 --> 03:04:27,920
Speaker 1: Foundation in Americasa whatever you yeah, right, yeah, yeah, a

2942
03:04:27,920 --> 03:04:31,880
Speaker 1: lot of confusions. But the family you're African, no matter

2943
03:04:31,959 --> 03:04:34,960
Speaker 1: what they say, they just don't you know, they just

2944
03:04:34,959 --> 03:04:36,560
Speaker 1: don't want you and known all that was just started

2945
03:04:36,640 --> 03:04:38,480
Speaker 1: for you not to vote Democratic. By the way, they

2946
03:04:38,520 --> 03:04:41,680
Speaker 1: didn't want you to vote for for KAMMLA. We actually

2947
03:04:41,720 --> 03:04:44,560
Speaker 1: started with not voting for Biden. That's where it started.

2948
03:04:44,920 --> 03:04:48,080
Speaker 4: Hey. And and the other thing is we need to

2949
03:04:48,160 --> 03:04:51,960
Speaker 4: stop letting people tell us who to vote for. We

2950
03:04:52,040 --> 03:04:55,480
Speaker 4: need to stop letting people tell us how to get

2951
03:04:55,640 --> 03:04:58,360
Speaker 4: to the other side of the river. We need to

2952
03:04:59,120 --> 03:05:04,960
Speaker 4: stop people from determining our pathway forward. Our pathway is

2953
03:05:05,080 --> 03:05:13,000
Speaker 4: our pathway. The whole idea that Africa is in some

2954
03:05:13,200 --> 03:05:19,640
Speaker 4: way the backward part of the world, we have allowed

2955
03:05:19,720 --> 03:05:22,800
Speaker 4: them to put that into our head. Africa is not

2956
03:05:22,959 --> 03:05:28,360
Speaker 4: the bad part. Africa is the beginning, and if there

2957
03:05:28,440 --> 03:05:30,240
Speaker 4: is going to be the end, Africa is going to

2958
03:05:30,280 --> 03:05:30,800
Speaker 4: be the end.

2959
03:05:31,680 --> 03:05:33,880
Speaker 1: A shake to that, doctor Horn, and we got to

2960
03:05:33,920 --> 03:05:35,640
Speaker 1: cut it right there with just about out of time.

2961
03:05:35,800 --> 03:05:37,720
Speaker 1: I thank you for sharing your thoughts with us all

2962
03:05:37,760 --> 03:05:40,400
Speaker 1: these years. Thank you, Doctor Horn. The more forward to

2963
03:05:40,520 --> 03:05:42,640
Speaker 1: some more conversations in twenty twenty six.

2964
03:05:44,200 --> 03:05:45,240
Speaker 4: You're quite welcome, Carl.

2965
03:05:46,000 --> 03:05:47,080
Speaker 3: All right, family, that's it.

2966
03:05:47,120 --> 03:05:47,480
Speaker 11: For the day.

2967
03:05:47,600 --> 03:05:51,520
Speaker 1: Classes over dismiss Stay strong, stay positive, please stay healthy.

2968
03:05:51,640 --> 03:05:53,560
Speaker 1: We'll see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in

2969
03:05:53,720 --> 03:05:57,040
Speaker 1: Baltimore on ten ten WLB. And also I'm at DMV

2970
03:05:57,200 --> 03:05:59,720
Speaker 1: on fourteen fifty WOL