Speaker 1: The Frames per Second Podcast.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Frames per Second Podcast, where we are
Speaker 2: reviewing Apple Plus TV show made by Vince Gilligan from
Speaker 2: Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul Plurists. I'm not at home.
Speaker 2: I am here with I am here with Ken.
Speaker 3: I don't know what show that was was that season
Speaker 3: two said? Is how you say it?
Speaker 2: Clarabus? This show don't deserve to be pronounced right but jam,
Speaker 2: but we're getting how everybody feels about it again.
Speaker 3: I'm here with Ken.
Speaker 2: Mike Rod, I will throw it to you first, Rod,
Speaker 2: what did you think about pluebris?
Speaker 4: When I think about Claribus, I'm with I thought it
Speaker 4: was fun like like I didn't. I wasn't mad about
Speaker 4: because I had I had to just go ahead and
Speaker 4: pay for Apple Apple Plus for a month or whatever
Speaker 4: because we were out of our trial. Because I think
Speaker 4: they watched something. So I just had to just I
Speaker 4: just bought it for a month. So I've been trying
Speaker 4: to watch as much Apple t Plus TV ship. Just
Speaker 4: let me know what I need to watch. I sat
Speaker 4: to watch Studio, okay, so let's let me know what
Speaker 4: I need to watch while I have it right now, huh.
Speaker 2: I'll send you something the last part of my top
Speaker 2: teen with all Apple TV shows.
Speaker 4: M hmm, okay, you're four out of five, okay, okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know I noticed that the stick it was on there.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, give.
Speaker 3: Me something, yeah, because I am trying to utilize it.
Speaker 2: It's a good Jackson. It's a good Samuel Jackson series.
Speaker 2: You don't like the Samuel Jackson show.
Speaker 4: Watch I saw that, yeah, yeah, shrinking right, all right? Yeah,
Speaker 4: so but nah, I didn't think it was bad. I
Speaker 4: thought it was interesting personally. I like kind of like
Speaker 4: End of the World type shows or movies, you know.
Speaker 3: And that's what this is. What this felt like.
Speaker 4: I had a you know, a bit of a melancholia
Speaker 4: feel to it. So yeah, I was interested. I was
Speaker 4: interested to see what was going on here or whatever.
Speaker 4: But I'll get more into it as we go through
Speaker 4: the review. Ken, what'd you think?
Speaker 1: Overall? I think I ended up disappointed. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think on other shows or episodes, like watching the first
Speaker 1: couple of episodes, I was hyped for it. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh man, this ship is gonna be crazy. But I
Speaker 1: forgot Vince got Vince Gilligan does it shows and he
Speaker 1: just drags everything else. I had to stop watching him
Speaker 1: because I'm like, we're doing absolutely nothing to set up
Speaker 1: something two or three seasons later, and it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't have time for all that ship. So I stopped
Speaker 1: watching it so I could binge it. And then when
Speaker 1: I was binging it, it was like okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: and then uh, that was a real emotional moment later on.
Speaker 1: But then finally got to the end, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: good way to end it. But then we spent a
Speaker 1: whole lot of time just kind of getting to that point,
Speaker 1: which you know, yeah, I don't know, man, it was.
Speaker 1: It was disappointing. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I can't imagine not beinging this personally. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have probably have been enjoyed before me if
Speaker 4: I if I had to watch this.
Speaker 1: So this comes out week, this comes out. It's a
Speaker 1: week to week show, bro. You know interesting, I did
Speaker 1: concept thought the whole nine It's just that. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's I wait for two or three seasons out and
Speaker 1: then watch.
Speaker 2: Stick.
Speaker 3: M h.
Speaker 2: Sorry, do you like me? You like Vince though?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: No, you don't like Vince Gilley.
Speaker 3: I don't give a shit about Breaking Bad. I think
Speaker 3: it was. Yeah, I'm not one of those people that
Speaker 3: thinks that's one of the best shows ever made. I
Speaker 3: think it's a fine show. But I haven't watched Breaking
Speaker 3: Call Better Better, Better Call Sau. I haven't watched that,
Speaker 3: But this wasn't bad. It was just fucking dull, unbelievably dull,
Speaker 3: that's all. And maybe that was the point, but I
Speaker 3: don't know. Go ahead, so I'm not alone. I'm one
Speaker 3: hundred percent wood can sit. I tried watching the first
Speaker 3: two when it came out, and it's like, okay, because.
Speaker 2: I know I Vis Gillig can tell the stories extremely
Speaker 2: So I had the same problem with Better Call Salt,
Speaker 2: and I think that's one of the best shows and
Speaker 2: ever picked up three seasons in. And that's exactly what
Speaker 2: scared me about this. As I was watching, so I
Speaker 2: do like you did, and I stopped and I said,
Speaker 2: I just let my all ben show. And then as
Speaker 2: I'm binging it, I was just bored, Like I started
Speaker 2: scrolling my phone like there was nothing going on. But
Speaker 2: I'm giving Vince the benefit of the doubt because I
Speaker 2: know it's how he does it shows. But as far
Speaker 2: as this as an individual season, I would can't. I
Speaker 2: would lift this build up for three seasons before I
Speaker 2: get back into this. It just wouldn't uneventful.
Speaker 4: I only felt that way towards the ladder, like towards
Speaker 4: the end, like I was just like, okay, yeah, these
Speaker 4: a little bit of a drag, but you know, it
Speaker 4: pulled me in because I really wonder like the concept
Speaker 4: of it not technically being an alien evasion or whatever,
Speaker 4: but just like some sort of like wave like virus
Speaker 4: type of situation that's basically taking over these these bodies.
Speaker 4: I'm wondering, like, what the hell is going on here?
Speaker 2: That's interesting, and I do wonder what's going on, But
Speaker 2: I think the difference in the other show is where
Speaker 2: you could deal with somewhat. That's the pace that he has.
Speaker 2: They're more interesting characters. Carol just wasn't. I didn't give
Speaker 2: a fuck about Carrol. I didn't want to spend that
Speaker 2: much time with her, and it was just draging off
Speaker 2: hud Is doing mundane stuff. I'm like, bro, come on,
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was. It was really really slow, painfully
Speaker 2: slow for me. I like Caro. I thought she was funny.
Speaker 4: I thought she had like like really good comedic timming.
Speaker 3: Like I thought, is she a comedian?
Speaker 2: She was good like that in The Better Costs All?
Speaker 2: She was actually better actually, But I don't know that
Speaker 2: just drug like every time when she made the phone call,
Speaker 2: like I didn't want to hear her recording everything.
Speaker 3: I didn't find it funny, but I think it was intentional.
Speaker 3: I don't think it was supposed to be funny. I
Speaker 3: think it was just supposed to kind of just push
Speaker 3: the idea of the mundane parts of Like. I actually
Speaker 3: didn't mind that that they made us hear the fucking
Speaker 3: the handswering machine thing every single time.
Speaker 2: I hated that.
Speaker 3: But the show itself, it was just there's not enough
Speaker 3: going on to where I care.
Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed, all right? So the first episode was called
Speaker 2: We Is Us and Carol or Romantics a romance novelist.
Speaker 2: She watched the world fall apart as an extraterrestrial virus
Speaker 2: sweeps humanity into a collective hive mine the others all
Speaker 2: while she remains immune. She loses her partner Helen and
Speaker 2: the chaos and learned that there are dozens other like her.
Speaker 2: What'd you guys think about this first episode of learning
Speaker 2: about the virus and how it took people's mind over
Speaker 2: and things like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it pulled me in immediately, like, uh, especially the
Speaker 4: scene outside where it was no one, like it was
Speaker 4: just quiet and they just talking and don't even realize
Speaker 4: like he ain't no type of activity going on right now,
Speaker 4: and they go in there the motherfuckers like twitching and ship.
Speaker 3: Like Michael, Yo, what she did was way worse than
Speaker 3: what I just did. Motherfuckers. What's and what's up? What
Speaker 3: these motherfuckers doing all this shit?
Speaker 4: But but nah, yeah, I was like, oh man, what
Speaker 4: the fuck is going on? You know what I'm saying. So,
Speaker 4: and I was wondering, like why why isn't she affected?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: So yeah, that that was enough for me to be like, okay, yo,
Speaker 4: this this is really interesting.
Speaker 3: So nah, and and I like, uh, the idea of.
Speaker 4: Them not wanting to hurt a harm and be they
Speaker 4: accommodating you to someone, It's just like, okay, this is
Speaker 4: because you know, that's not how you would think of
Speaker 4: an invasion or whatever you would think that.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I think they had that one movie I Come In Piece.
Speaker 4: You know y'all remember that ship I Come In Piece,
Speaker 4: the movie called I'm Coming Peace. I remember the name
Speaker 4: of he's the all way he did like some cards,
Speaker 4: he's like lasers or some ship.
Speaker 3: It was old eighties movies.
Speaker 4: It's called I'm come in peace, but he would say it,
Speaker 4: but he will kill you. It's like, oh, I come
Speaker 4: in peace and then he'll kill you or whatever. But
Speaker 4: this is like no, no, they actually are saying that
Speaker 4: they're coming, like basically, no, we you know, we don't
Speaker 4: want to harm you. We actually just want the best
Speaker 4: for you. I was like, oh, that's interesting.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I thought that was that was good that
Speaker 3: they were lying though, aren't they But you're saying that
Speaker 3: they're lying, but it hasn't shown that.
Speaker 1: They're lying yet. You know, I don't know. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, as we go on, there's I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think that the way they invaded everybody was very
Speaker 1: very forceful and against their will. So to Spike's point,
Speaker 1: they were what is that a lot? I don't know
Speaker 1: because nobody consented. It wasn't until later, And I think
Speaker 1: maybe they're this way now because there are people they
Speaker 1: can't get so now it's all about consent. But either way,
Speaker 1: I think they did a good job of like I
Speaker 1: think you did a good job of selling it, you know,
Speaker 1: off real, this idea of these people being one hive mind,
Speaker 1: you know, like the board from Star Trek. You know,
Speaker 1: so I was all on board. Just how you set
Speaker 1: it up. You know, you see everything happening. They go
Speaker 1: to the bar and you see people drinking stuff and
Speaker 1: in the water and stuff like that, and going out,
Speaker 1: and the wreck happening, and her driving to the hospital
Speaker 1: I don't know where like it. It was a good setup.
Speaker 1: I thought was in for hell of a show.
Speaker 2: Say, I was on the same page as you thought. Okay,
Speaker 2: this is good. I know Vince is good. I'm interested
Speaker 2: to see what happens. It's just too painfully slow.
Speaker 3: Mike, what you say first episode, I was on board
Speaker 3: before I get into what I think about what's going on.
Speaker 3: I'm still confused about what happened to the wife. Why
Speaker 3: did she die? Did she died from the fall? What fall?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: She felt flat back? Like is that what kills her?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just I'm just saying no.
Speaker 2: I think it's just eleven million people died as they
Speaker 2: doing it. Yeah, they did it, So she was just
Speaker 2: one of the people.
Speaker 1: That didn't work.
Speaker 3: I see, Okay, I was so confused all the way
Speaker 3: up until the end. I was like, I don't understand
Speaker 3: why she didn't just become one of the aliens.
Speaker 4: And I think they're still trying to reveal that part,
Speaker 4: like while others died.
Speaker 2: She asked him how many people died in order for
Speaker 2: you to do this? And she said they first, and
Speaker 2: then she was like eleven million or something world.
Speaker 1: And I think it was something to do with her
Speaker 1: physically as well.
Speaker 3: See, yeah, that's what I thought too. They amplied that
Speaker 3: there was something going on with her health wise, but
Speaker 3: I just I couldn't put it together, maybe because it
Speaker 3: was so fucking boring, But first episode I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: this is interesting, but I think and I'm probably wrong
Speaker 3: because y'all haven't mentioned it yet, but I feel like, okay,
Speaker 3: this is a metaphor. Yeah I didn't get Ai, but
Speaker 3: the whole idea of you know, we think we know
Speaker 3: what's best for you, and we're gonna force what we
Speaker 3: think is best for you onto you. Who does that
Speaker 3: sound like Maga Venezuela. I give you a hint. So
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, is this whole thing going to
Speaker 3: be about like a big metaphor for fucking America. I
Speaker 3: don't know if that's what they're going for, but if
Speaker 3: that is, then I it didn't really work for me
Speaker 3: that well. But that's kind of what I felt like
Speaker 3: after the first episode. I was like, Oh, so there,
Speaker 3: they think they know what's best for everybody, so they're
Speaker 3: pushing this idea forcefully onto them of everybody just assimilating,
Speaker 3: and there's the one person that refuses to assimilate. So
Speaker 3: they're constantly yelling at this person. And what's that wrong?
Speaker 4: She was like, I took care of as the representation
Speaker 4: of every entitled white woman.
Speaker 3: I told her I was episodes of a white woman
Speaker 3: be in a Carrien. I got the opposite of that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because she's right. I'm not saying she's wrong, per se.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying the way you know, I'm not gonna
Speaker 4: take your vaccine, don't force this vaccine on me, Like,
Speaker 4: like you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: That's how I took her. I didn't get I'm not
Speaker 3: going to take your vaccine. Well, I mean, now that
Speaker 3: you're saying it out loud, I guess I kind of see,
Speaker 3: but I don't. I don't know that that's what they
Speaker 3: were going for. That's how she looked to me. I
Speaker 3: was constantly behind her the whole time. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm with you. I don't I never got entitled. I
Speaker 3: got like, she literally sees that this is fucked up
Speaker 3: what y'all are doing and you're removing. Damn. That does
Speaker 3: sound like that does sound like an title caring. It does.
Speaker 3: But but but I.
Speaker 4: Feel what you're saying at the same time as far
Speaker 4: as like the you know, the free will and all
Speaker 4: that type of stuff.
Speaker 3: Like that's what they say about the vaccine. I know
Speaker 3: I didn't connect it. I know, I know didn't line.
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's a thin line, and
Speaker 3: I agree with you.
Speaker 2: She wasn't wrong, it was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it did sound like you're not going to
Speaker 3: force this on me. Damn. I did not connect that.
Speaker 4: And that's in the fact that she was a white
Speaker 4: woman doing it. That's what that's why I connected it
Speaker 4: that way.
Speaker 2: Y'all think y'all will react to the same way that
Speaker 2: Carol did. Hell yeah, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: Look peace, don't get me wrong, but not but world
Speaker 4: peace in the sense of like just everybody get y'all
Speaker 4: shipped together. And I know, hive mind ship but like,
Speaker 4: you know, I want everybody to still have their own individuality.
Speaker 3: But just you know, just be kind.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, well because even because think about all the
Speaker 1: people that's part of it, they can't get out, they
Speaker 1: can't disconnect from the hoigh mine, even if they wanted to,
Speaker 1: because they no longer have their own. Yeah, it's a rap.
Speaker 1: Everybody's the same.
Speaker 4: Like the idea of it is, it's good, but the
Speaker 4: actual thing that's happening isn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, and.
Speaker 4: That's what I thought the writing was good on here,
Speaker 4: because you know it, you know, some of it kind
Speaker 4: of made her. I don't think it ever made a
Speaker 4: second guess herself, but it did make it makes the
Speaker 4: viewer be like, h would I do that? You know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like like the question you just asked,
Speaker 4: because he's talking about no killings, no war, none of
Speaker 4: these things anymore.
Speaker 2: You got full access to everything.
Speaker 3: Full access to everything.
Speaker 4: Yeah no, No, money is not race and color is
Speaker 4: not a thing anymore. Like all of these things sound great. Oh, socialism,
Speaker 4: all of these things sound great, but not in this
Speaker 4: scenario when you're taking up a bodyes and not when
Speaker 4: you're taking.
Speaker 1: Over bodies.
Speaker 3: Like that, because he would have been that nasty motherfucker
Speaker 3: with Autumn Hose.
Speaker 2: I definitely would have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, h.
Speaker 2: Listen, everybody know what we've been doing.
Speaker 3: As long as long as you're good, it's don't matter.
Speaker 1: There's a whole billions of trillions of people nobody was good. Well,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that have become part of
Speaker 1: the High Mind and they know everything about every single person.
Speaker 3: Right, So as long as you're good at fucking, you
Speaker 3: ain't gonna worry about it.
Speaker 1: Oh that's.
Speaker 3: Stop dude saying you're pedophile. Take this out. You know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, you're a pedal. Stop. Oh Jesus, I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Episode two is called so inm Pirate Lady God Carol
Speaker 2: attend me with the other Moon immune individuals and she
Speaker 2: clashes with them because Midy have accepted their faiths and
Speaker 2: they have as an offer of peace, while her anger
Speaker 2: and refusal to assimulate them causes tension. What did y'all
Speaker 2: think about the meeting with the rest of the immune people?
Speaker 2: Y'all think that she was overreacting or were.
Speaker 3: They They were over like they weren't even listening to her.
Speaker 2: They was cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they were being stupid. She every step of them.
Speaker 3: I was like, she's right, though, y'all, why are y'all
Speaker 3: acting like this? You know that's not your fucking kid.
Speaker 3: You know that's not your child.
Speaker 1: But very similarly, we see people do that and zombie shows,
Speaker 1: you know, with the dad and stupid then too. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So I read it that way, like this is the
Speaker 1: only way that I can hang on to them, So
Speaker 1: I'll take it, because you know, I missed them, you know,
Speaker 1: and I think that they just gave in. I think
Speaker 1: she was right. I don't know why they refused to listen.
Speaker 1: I get the mom with the child and the family.
Speaker 1: She had a reason why. I get the guy because
Speaker 1: he had everything, you know, so he for him, this
Speaker 1: is a the world is wide open. He got woman,
Speaker 1: he got money, he got whatever he wants. So he
Speaker 1: gets the benefit of the hive mind without being in
Speaker 1: the high mind, you know. So, but she was absolutely right,
Speaker 1: and then she just killed a bunch of people with
Speaker 1: her anger too, you know. So there was some resentment
Speaker 1: built up for.
Speaker 3: That that was happening. Why they were why they were
Speaker 3: acting different than Carol. Oh in their mind. I'll wait
Speaker 3: till we get that episode. This is the episode m h.
Speaker 3: It reveals it later on, and I was.
Speaker 4: Like, oh, I get it, but they all had their
Speaker 4: reasons though, right, we'll get there.
Speaker 2: What's the alternative though, Like I could see that I
Speaker 2: can understand that Carol is right, but I'm sure they
Speaker 2: looking at it like Okay, well, what are we gonna do?
Speaker 2: It's either like what are you gonna kill yourself? Like
Speaker 2: you can't change the Bible?
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it took over, so they ain't no need you
Speaker 2: bitching about.
Speaker 3: But it's also that situation of like, you know, you
Speaker 3: sit in America and America is doing funck shit, and
Speaker 3: either you know it's funck shit and you operate accordingly,
Speaker 3: or you act like it's not functionhit and you just
Speaker 3: blending with the functionhit. That's how That's why I didn't
Speaker 3: think of a Carol as a as a Karen, even
Speaker 3: though I get Rod's point, but she was like, why
Speaker 3: are y'all pretending that this is okay? And at the time,
Speaker 3: I don't think Carol knew that there was no way back.
Speaker 3: I think her anger, her frustration was the fact that
Speaker 3: they weren't even trying to fight. They were just like, Okay, well,
Speaker 3: this is how it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just gave up, right you know?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because she's like, that's not your son, right, No,
Speaker 4: that's not your family member, Like yeah.
Speaker 2: All right. So in episode three is called Grenade. In
Speaker 2: this episode, it consists of a flashback that shows Carol
Speaker 2: and Helen before joining, before the joining, and then in
Speaker 2: the present it shows Carol's frustration boils over, at least
Speaker 2: to what you said, Mike, a dangerous confrontation with Zosa
Speaker 2: that ends in a grenade explosion.
Speaker 3: What was it, lady name? This is what she asked for,
Speaker 3: the bomb, the greade, the grenade because he hadn't talked
Speaker 3: about to this point, right, No, we haven't.
Speaker 1: But you were thinking about the atomic bomb.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when she asked for the a bomb and they
Speaker 2: said we'll give it.
Speaker 1: To yes, she asked if with yeah, if I asked
Speaker 1: for one, would.
Speaker 2: You bring They were like, yeah, yeah, we have to.
Speaker 2: But basically we say we got to do everything. You say,
Speaker 2: What did you guys think about this episode? The flashback,
Speaker 2: Carrol's frustration and killing two million people?
Speaker 3: I think they said this was I it was fine,
Speaker 3: It was fine. At this point is when I started
Speaker 3: losing interest though. This is when it got slow. Yes, slow, Yes,
Speaker 3: I don't think that.
Speaker 2: One of the great things again about Vince when he
Speaker 2: bis these world is just so many different characters in them.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I don't think them isolating her for two three
Speaker 2: episodes and all the people that was the worst idea,
Speaker 2: I feel like, because I didn't need to be alone
Speaker 2: with her that long.
Speaker 1: But I think we y'all are one hundred percent right.
Speaker 1: Howard really spotlight what he was going through, and that's
Speaker 1: the issue that he had, is like, we spent so
Speaker 1: much time with her, we see her isolation, we start
Speaker 1: to feel and understand what she's going through, but we're
Speaker 1: also part of it too, Like we're like, shit, we
Speaker 1: don't want to spend that much time with you either.
Speaker 3: See why they left you damn.
Speaker 1: Trying to fucking d mine give us something to talk about.
Speaker 1: But you know, so I think you know, of course
Speaker 1: very much. So had to be intentional to really drive
Speaker 1: on the point, which again I understand, it just doesn't
Speaker 1: make for a good show after a while. It's just
Speaker 1: like bro like, you know, which is why I think
Speaker 1: they did a good job of adding the the guy,
Speaker 1: but they took too long to get him into the
Speaker 1: fold or everything while they spent time really breaking her down.
Speaker 1: As we'll get to the Spanish guy. Yeah, but with
Speaker 1: with this particular one, I think it really showed that
Speaker 1: the how dangerous this hove mind concept could be when
Speaker 1: they brought her dash with grenade, you know, and she
Speaker 1: didn't realize like or they didn't realize that they had
Speaker 1: that that that was dangerous. It was like, all right, well,
Speaker 1: if you asked, we'll give it to you. And they
Speaker 1: showed the flaws of being part of a hove mine
Speaker 1: without any sort of guardrails in place. You know, they
Speaker 1: could probably even though they know the dangers, they could
Speaker 1: probably easily kill them. But I don't think they can
Speaker 1: kill themselves. But it seemed like it.
Speaker 3: Said they can't flick home on themselves or others.
Speaker 1: Right, So what happens if they realized that grenade is
Speaker 1: harmful and can be used to kill, would they not
Speaker 1: comply with the order? You know, I don't know, but
Speaker 1: I was still on board with this episode. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm still like waiting for things to develop, because I
Speaker 1: thought more things were going to come around with this
Speaker 1: other group that are out there, these these mutants that
Speaker 1: they were at some point would realize that their way
Speaker 1: is in the right way, and they were perform some
Speaker 1: sort of rebellion ro I will say you, yeah, my
Speaker 1: mom wasn't going there.
Speaker 4: I just took the show for what it was and
Speaker 4: just was just like just you know, waiting it out
Speaker 4: with them. I like, I can, I can appreciate this
Speaker 4: type of storytelling if it's slow or whatever, because I
Speaker 4: think it you're you're meant to feel kind of like
Speaker 4: what she's going through in a sense.
Speaker 1: And I didn't have a problem sitting in that. Again,
Speaker 1: I just found it interesting.
Speaker 4: I'm just waiting for them to just change up or
Speaker 4: switch up, and they just never do. They stay consistent
Speaker 4: on their mission. But yeah, like Kim was saying, like, yeah,
Speaker 4: it just sets it sets you up for later, like
Speaker 4: to the breakdown, right, and you feel it. To me,
Speaker 4: you feel it more because you you kind of go
Speaker 4: through these little mundane moments with her and see her
Speaker 4: at first being okay with being by herself being alone,
Speaker 4: like fuck it, I'll just learned.
Speaker 3: Life this way.
Speaker 4: But it shows that you know, we need human connection,
Speaker 4: we need we need these things, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So for her not to have that, it'll break down the.
Speaker 4: Most headstrong person in the world, you know what I'm
Speaker 4: saying to you know, then't want some sort of interaction.
Speaker 1: And you know, and they were trying to say that
Speaker 1: she is a miserable, miserable person, you know.
Speaker 2: So you know, I think that's what irritated me about
Speaker 2: her the most, is she was making herself more miserable
Speaker 2: by just focusing on this. But I do agree with
Speaker 2: what you two are saying, because at first, when I'm
Speaker 2: watching it, I'm thinking, like, man, i'ld have been going
Speaker 2: to do this and going to do that, and going
Speaker 2: all these places and doing all these things. But then
Speaker 2: they really honed in on but you still just by yourself, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well she's the person that don't like people that
Speaker 1: no longer have people. It's just like so you kind
Speaker 1: of get your wish, but you you needed people around.
Speaker 3: I think she would have been fine if her partner
Speaker 3: was still around.
Speaker 1: I think she would have been.
Speaker 2: Which is why she turned later to that, like she
Speaker 2: started looking at their girls, like what I.
Speaker 1: Was fucked up by them, which was manipulative to to
Speaker 1: send somebody that looks exactly or similar to her your
Speaker 1: dream essentially.
Speaker 4: But see, they thought they were trying to make her
Speaker 4: happy though, but it didn't look like her I don't know.
Speaker 3: Character from the book, but they were trying to make
Speaker 3: her happy.
Speaker 1: Though. She's like, we're sorry if this is not what
Speaker 1: you think that's what they were doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with Ken. This is manipulation's toxic nice niceness.
Speaker 3: That's why you like it so large. But it's like, now,
Speaker 3: I think they were trying to like, how can.
Speaker 2: We get her to open up to us? Manipulation?
Speaker 3: This manipulation right, it's like, how can we get her
Speaker 3: to join us? Is more so what I think they
Speaker 3: were doing. For sure.
Speaker 4: I think y'all are y'all are right. But I do
Speaker 4: like the writing of it because one could be like, oh.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: We had these little flashes of the guy that was
Speaker 2: I guess he was.
Speaker 3: I don't know where he was, but he could have
Speaker 3: stayed there, He should have stayed there.
Speaker 2: But he's doing this radio signal thing and he's getting
Speaker 2: these feedback.
Speaker 3: Did that interest you guys at all?
Speaker 1: No? No, because I'm like, okay, that'll be later. You know,
Speaker 1: you're just giving us, you know, just a little bit
Speaker 1: like who is that guy? What is he doing?
Speaker 4: I did think it was interesting that he was more
Speaker 4: relentless than Carol.
Speaker 2: I think he was, And it started to seem obvious
Speaker 2: where they were gonna go with him. He's eventually gonna
Speaker 2: go meet Carrol.
Speaker 1: Wh why? I think it was also stupid about him,
Speaker 1: like here's another person that's not part of the high mind,
Speaker 1: that's just like you, and you don't want to talk
Speaker 1: to them. Why not?
Speaker 3: He thought she didn't know. He didn't.
Speaker 2: He thought she told him, but he thought everybody had switched.
Speaker 3: It was into the tape.
Speaker 2: He hadn't even talked to anyone and realized that he
Speaker 2: he thought he was the only person left.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because he didn't know it was twelve or thirteen
Speaker 4: high verymen. He was he didn't know any of that
Speaker 4: because he didn't. He ain't fuck with them.
Speaker 2: At all, nobody because even that lady was his mom, right,
Speaker 2: they kept drop that was his mom.
Speaker 3: He was like, He's like, yeah, my mom was a piece,
Speaker 3: like it was a bitch or something. He said, Like
Speaker 3: I was like, damn, is that the episode we're on?
Speaker 2: We're on episode four, which is pleased Carol. Here, Carol
Speaker 2: seeks answers whether the joining is reversible. She tests the
Speaker 2: truth serum on Zosa to uncover deeper truths, but the
Speaker 2: others resist and complications escalate from there. What did you
Speaker 2: think about her method to trying to get the truth
Speaker 2: out of her by Carol's method.
Speaker 3: It made it made sense. It was kind of foul
Speaker 3: because she was all fucked up in the hospital bed,
Speaker 3: but yeah, I'd have done the same thing at this point,
Speaker 3: I'm not fucking loyal to you yet, so yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: a drug you and get you to tell me the truth.
Speaker 3: I was surprised at that work.
Speaker 1: Why.
Speaker 2: It just seemed like it it kind of did it
Speaker 2: really caught herself right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and then and then the high mind came
Speaker 4: when they realized what was happening.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would have worked if they wouldn't have showed up.
Speaker 2: You had done the same thing.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 1: Well, the other question is did they feel threatened by
Speaker 1: what was going on and that's why they intervened. I
Speaker 1: think that was great, And I'm still into the show
Speaker 1: because I'm like, now we're getting somewhere. Now we're going
Speaker 1: to start getting some answers to what's going on, and
Speaker 1: they just wropped the ball from here. But uh, this
Speaker 1: was this was a good episode. And the way they
Speaker 1: walked up all still polite and pleasant and ship like that,
Speaker 1: but still also look threatening and you know, uh, menacing
Speaker 1: in this weird sort of way. It was just like, man,
Speaker 1: what the hell is going on? But they were like, man, hey,
Speaker 1: you don't win too goddamn far.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. They didn't look
Speaker 4: as polite as time. They looked concerned at time, like
Speaker 4: they didn't look as they wore.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was a little bit of stop Carrol stop. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they just left like her.
Speaker 3: They packed up everything, cut the lights out, was dope.
Speaker 1: That was the whole.
Speaker 2: Like everything that was interesting, it was it was. It
Speaker 2: was interesting in the storytelling aspect, But I don't think
Speaker 2: that the way that they played it out it wasn't interesting,
Speaker 2: because then that's when we get all this time with
Speaker 2: her a long when she's just not doing anything. They
Speaker 2: it could have been more interesting.
Speaker 3: I think, See, this is the yeah I'm with you,
Speaker 3: I'm just saying I'm right with you. This is like, bro,
Speaker 3: I want to speak down the hill. But this is
Speaker 3: also when I was like, oh, I see what's going
Speaker 3: on with with Carol and why she changed her mind?
Speaker 3: What happened so is this is this the episode where
Speaker 3: Zosha comes back or is that the next one?
Speaker 1: Well, so I think it's what it's non total, it's
Speaker 1: nine episode so five six because she finds the food.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Spike, you hoston, no go ahead, because I
Speaker 1: think these next three are kind of all this together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the next three pretty much done. Happens. She finds
Speaker 2: out what their nutrient source is with that milk, with
Speaker 2: the human in there, the wolves, the.
Speaker 3: Wolves I didn't understands. I didn't give a fuck about either,
Speaker 3: but the human eating human parts. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: now we're gonna go somewhere. Psych didn't.
Speaker 2: It didn't.
Speaker 3: It went fucking nowhere. It went fucking nowhere.
Speaker 2: I thought it was a lot more sinister. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was just like some normal stuff.
Speaker 4: And then so what I liked that they had an
Speaker 4: answer for that too. Yeah, they had seen everything of
Speaker 4: all things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: Funny it it went nowhere. And I was with you guys,
Speaker 1: are like, oh, ship, we're about to get some ship
Speaker 1: because it easily it was obviously a body in there
Speaker 1: or something. But they made it seem like the way
Speaker 1: they did it was a not moral way, but it
Speaker 1: was the best way they can do it without violating
Speaker 1: the rules.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so they would never let you, will never make
Speaker 4: you injustice if it's it's totally up to you.
Speaker 1: But she would need to if she's part of the
Speaker 1: hog mind in order to live. Yeah, she's part of
Speaker 1: high mind. But now she's herself, right.
Speaker 4: So Yeah, I like this part because I feel like,
Speaker 4: I won't say troupe, but I feel like that's what
Speaker 4: we would expect, right, expect like, oh, yeah, they're eating
Speaker 4: people whateverever. So the fact that they were able to
Speaker 4: even debunk that as well, I was like, damn, they
Speaker 4: are really writing.
Speaker 2: The ship out this story to me, Yeah, that was
Speaker 2: very detailed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're only eating people that die, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: from natural cause or whatever the causes are. But the
Speaker 1: fact that you can't even pick apple.
Speaker 2: It can't harm any living things crazy, that's stupid.
Speaker 4: The argument that I'm sure he has with people the
Speaker 4: whole like plants are living all of that stuff, like,
Speaker 4: you know, So they even tackled that, That's what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: Like they were tackling a lot of things that people say,
Speaker 4: and I'm just like, oh, they're really right there. I
Speaker 4: thought they were writing their ass off on this personally.
Speaker 1: But I think the thing is like, because now I
Speaker 1: got questions about this, like, how have you survived up
Speaker 1: to this point? Were you? Because you're what some type
Speaker 1: of parasite that needs a human host, but the human
Speaker 1: holes or the host they don't necessarily have to be
Speaker 1: human needs sustenance in order to stay alive. And if
Speaker 1: you don't harm anything, what have you done outside of
Speaker 1: this point?
Speaker 4: That's why they said that the resources are limited, which
Speaker 4: is why they only last for like ten years.
Speaker 3: They said they only live like ten more years. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but that just seemed that just seemed dumb because it
Speaker 3: was like, Okay, I get you can't harm anything, but
Speaker 3: what if you're what if you're discussing the idea of
Speaker 3: waste and apple will eventually just fall off the tree
Speaker 3: and rot it falls off? Is that what they said?
Speaker 1: They just can't pick it, but they can follow, But
Speaker 1: it's still still stupid. So an apple that falls off
Speaker 1: a tree.
Speaker 2: Is no longer living that Yeah, yes, it's not a
Speaker 2: text stid is.
Speaker 1: That what I'm saying? So, but think about before they
Speaker 1: in fact that the humans though, well, yeah, was this
Speaker 1: thing did it? Like? We don't know anything about it?
Speaker 1: There to come out of space. Was it created? So
Speaker 1: they came from where they.
Speaker 3: Came out of space. Remember, at the very beginning of
Speaker 3: the show, the guy was saying like, oh, we're getting
Speaker 3: a that's what the signal from five hundred light years away.
Speaker 3: So what did you do there? Maybe they didn't need sustenance.
Speaker 3: It only needs sustenance because it's joining with the human unties.
Speaker 2: They said that. They did say that they only need
Speaker 2: nutrition because there is a human form.
Speaker 4: That's what they're saying. It's not technically a virus virus.
Speaker 4: It's like just way host to you, like a host
Speaker 4: or something like that.
Speaker 1: And why the hell are you in the human body?
Speaker 1: Then if you.
Speaker 2: Don't, they said, they did all of it. Since they
Speaker 2: have mind, they get all of the research or whatever
Speaker 2: may be, and this was the best way that they
Speaker 2: could sustain their population.
Speaker 3: It's going to take over a human body and doing
Speaker 3: it that stupid? Agree, But did you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but because you're alien creature that comes to Earth,
Speaker 1: it's not a creature. You're an alien and you occupy
Speaker 1: this body. But wherever you came from you didn't need it.
Speaker 1: So your only way of surviving on Earth is to
Speaker 1: occupy a body, but you have a set of rules.
Speaker 1: So then I have questions about like wherever planet or
Speaker 1: wherever you came from, you didn't need that, Like, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just now I'm going down all this
Speaker 1: rabbit hole of all these different sort of questions about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we haven't gotten the rules or the reasons why
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: I think it's unacceptable from nine episodes not to have
Speaker 2: the answers, like at least a premise of it. Jesus,
Speaker 2: Like we just went through the whole thing. I just
Speaker 2: told us, Okay, this is what's going on. But to
Speaker 2: give us any answer, that's because you're.
Speaker 1: Putting off like we are a non violent entity and
Speaker 1: we've always been this way and that is our rules.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. Yeah, I understanding them wanting to conserve.
Speaker 4: Humans, like not harming them not you know, because then
Speaker 4: they would live longer because you know, you're protecting that
Speaker 4: human body to those.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's gonna die in ten years, whereas the
Speaker 3: human body would have lived longer than that. So you
Speaker 3: really made things worse.
Speaker 1: And is the enron? Is the earth environment not conducive
Speaker 1: to their regular Yeah, regular life form.
Speaker 3: I thought it was just because they couldn't eat, so
Speaker 3: they were I thought it was because, like they were,
Speaker 3: they were figuring out that if we continue eating the
Speaker 3: way we are, we're not gonna get get enough nutrients
Speaker 3: to keep because they also don't procreate, so they're not
Speaker 3: gonna have children. What is this? So yeah, so I
Speaker 3: think they're they're like, well, if we if we can't
Speaker 3: pick fruit, we can't eat it off the ground. We're
Speaker 3: factoring in if we keep doing that, we're only gonna
Speaker 3: last ten years because we don't have enough food. They
Speaker 3: said they didn't procreate. I'm pretty sure they said that.
Speaker 1: I and the human them, I don't think they'll be
Speaker 1: able to procreate.
Speaker 2: But I was just so, what if they, like the
Speaker 2: guy that had all the girls, what if he had
Speaker 2: sex with one of them and get them pregnant, they
Speaker 2: wouldn't be able to have a baby because of the
Speaker 2: natural human body functions still work. I'm assumed, Well, then
Speaker 2: pro create then, because it's what a lot of them, right,
Speaker 2: So it's safe to assume that, you know.
Speaker 1: A lot of them came here.
Speaker 3: It's all I thought it was all one. It's just
Speaker 3: no there, they're all one being. So it's not like
Speaker 3: a bunch of them came and they infected other bodies.
Speaker 3: I thought it was everything is one being, That's what
Speaker 3: I thought.
Speaker 2: She was explaining that the massage thing. She was like,
Speaker 2: we all share the same feeling.
Speaker 1: Like, no, I guess they all share that.
Speaker 2: But but you said, it's just one individual thing.
Speaker 1: Don't remember when it got out of whatever? Because that
Speaker 1: thing it got out of that and then she infected
Speaker 1: another person a person?
Speaker 3: Right, what thing are you talking about?
Speaker 1: So when they were running the experiments on it in
Speaker 1: the lab and it broke out of the lab and
Speaker 1: infected the first person.
Speaker 3: Why don't I remember that?
Speaker 2: What lab?
Speaker 1: Wherever they were at in some wherever because this at
Speaker 1: the beginning, this in the very first episode, and infected
Speaker 1: one of the scientists, and I forgot how it got out,
Speaker 1: but infected one of the scientists, and then she the scientists,
Speaker 1: infected the other scientists by kissing them. Oh I do
Speaker 1: so are we're saying that that the the way that
Speaker 1: called zero patient zero is the one that's controlling everything.
Speaker 3: That's how I.
Speaker 1: Took it, and that, oh okay.
Speaker 3: That's how I took it. The only one alien came
Speaker 3: to Earth, and that one alien was infecting people one
Speaker 3: by one and then they're all tied to a hive mind.
Speaker 3: That's how I understood it.
Speaker 1: But so it's not okay, okay, But.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's one hundred thousand of them came to Earth
Speaker 3: and they're all I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's what I was starting to think. But that's even
Speaker 1: crazy if it's one person that's controlling all of them.
Speaker 1: There's one alienk controlling all of them, so that would
Speaker 1: start to answer some questions.
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Speaker 2: This is when Carol goes to Vegas and she learns
Speaker 2: to disturbing truths, like we said about the diet and
Speaker 2: the other's existence. Did y'all like the other dude in Vegas,
Speaker 2: the James Bond will skip. Was he getting on your
Speaker 2: nerves with your annoying It was a good character when
Speaker 2: they were playing poke at the table. Don't break character,
Speaker 2: the brown guy.
Speaker 3: No, It's like, man, I mean, it was an interesting
Speaker 3: thing because I can see that's what a lot of
Speaker 3: men would do. But I just at this point I
Speaker 3: didn't care anymore. I was just like, I don't I
Speaker 3: don't care about any of this.
Speaker 1: After she looked into that thing and saw what I
Speaker 1: guess what it ended up being a body, I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna just wait. I tapped out
Speaker 1: at that point, so I was out of there. So
Speaker 1: thank god I was, because oh my.
Speaker 2: God, bro, that's so I ran it because that's the
Speaker 2: exact place I stopped too. I'm not watching this. No
Speaker 2: move to this end like no, because we weren't doing
Speaker 2: ship you left. It were like, bro, come on, I
Speaker 2: would have wanted to see what Time would do in Vegas,
Speaker 2: just to see what he was up to. That would
Speaker 2: have been way entertaining than Carroll trying to figure this out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this whole thing with him, I think I think
Speaker 1: they could have used him more, you know, to break
Speaker 1: up the monotony of her just always just walking around,
Speaker 1: not saying it, not doing ship. But but no, it wasn't.
Speaker 1: It wasn't. I'm with Mike. You definitely would see people
Speaker 1: doing some wild ship like this. He had a plane,
Speaker 1: he had all kind of ship man week.
Speaker 2: It was funny. Also in this episode, Minosius, the guy
Speaker 2: who were talking about with the radio, he starts making
Speaker 2: his way towards Caro and he's insistent that he doesn't
Speaker 2: want any help in that he trucks through the Amazon jungle.
Speaker 1: Bro, I looked that place up.
Speaker 3: The clipped.
Speaker 2: It's crazy because you can't go it's nothing's there but
Speaker 2: like cartil and jungle roads or nothing.
Speaker 3: That's why it was fucking irritating, stupid because it's so
Speaker 3: big and it's like just let them take you. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I know he doesn't trust them and all that, but
Speaker 3: it was just like, Bro, you're seriously gonna walk through this.
Speaker 1: Jungle three days? I think I read it. It would
Speaker 1: take to walk that whole thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not traveled, so it's dense and like
Speaker 2: it ain't no paths or anything like that. That was
Speaker 2: the only time I said, like, oh, ship in this
Speaker 2: when he that.
Speaker 3: Tree, that ship that was of course you did that,
Speaker 3: of course because she just said they said something about
Speaker 3: the fucking spikes or whatever in there. Of course you
Speaker 3: fall into the tree. It's like, all right, man, this
Speaker 3: isn't great writing to me.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I did like the dangers of that
Speaker 1: because I didn't know about that place, so that whole
Speaker 1: thing was interesting.
Speaker 2: That was that was smiling.
Speaker 3: I was thinking.
Speaker 4: I was like when they were saying, I was like, damn,
Speaker 4: you can't. Yeah, I ain't never hear nobody driving to
Speaker 4: fucking up South America.
Speaker 1: Was right there. It was you should have just taken them.
Speaker 1: But you know, but it's.
Speaker 4: Only because of that one part that you can't drive
Speaker 4: to South America. It's just because of that one.
Speaker 2: And they tried to build there, they said they tried
Speaker 2: to build there before. They just could not.
Speaker 1: Think that's interesting and that tree is real. I was like,
Speaker 1: that fucking tree is real, bro.
Speaker 3: You know what.
Speaker 4: It reminds me of like Life of Pie. Remember that, y'all.
Speaker 4: I've seen that, and like, how oh that ship is real?
Speaker 4: Like some of that stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he of course gets himself. Like we said
Speaker 2: about the tree, he has to go to the hospital
Speaker 2: that tree and he pays for it. That he's just
Speaker 2: an episode seven the Gap, and this is where Carol
Speaker 2: is struggling with depression. Where the hell he get all
Speaker 2: this money from? He wrote, I owe you a nigga
Speaker 2: can be paid. He wrote down eye such and money.
Speaker 3: At first.
Speaker 1: He's putting money on people's vehicles at first, but that
Speaker 1: was for gas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was like seven thousand dollars he said. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they said.
Speaker 2: He was like, I owe you eye such and such.
Speaker 2: Owe you seven thousand such and such dollar. That's what
Speaker 2: he wrote at the bottom.
Speaker 1: Of the paper. Mm hmm. This was the one where
Speaker 1: they broke Carol.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was struggling with depression. Fireworks seemed to help.
Speaker 2: She left the one file right by her head for
Speaker 2: some reason, and then she goes to get the paint
Speaker 2: and she says, come back, what y'all thin?
Speaker 1: So marknestion to you guys, is was this her asking? Well,
Speaker 1: I guess we've showing her emotional response to it, but
Speaker 1: it seemed like I was wondering if she did this
Speaker 1: to get more information on them, or if she really broke.
Speaker 2: I thought she genuinely broke. She was like I think
Speaker 2: she was just genuinely lonely, like it just was subbering
Speaker 2: from Cavin Peeve and just like being by herself.
Speaker 1: You don't think she was manipulating them.
Speaker 2: Once they got there. I think that she understood she
Speaker 2: could get information in a different way than she was
Speaker 2: trying to at first, so she started kind of like
Speaker 2: leaning into that. But I think originally the comeback message
Speaker 2: was I just need to be around some people. Then
Speaker 2: when she started being more open to the girl and
Speaker 2: she started learning stuff like just through random conversation, I
Speaker 2: think it became more poignant that she wanted to learn more.
Speaker 1: I think it was more about the girl.
Speaker 4: She didn't care because, like you said earlier, she don't
Speaker 4: care about being around people.
Speaker 3: I think it just she wants a companion.
Speaker 4: But in order to get that companion, everybody has to
Speaker 4: come back, and she's willing to sacrifice everybody coming back
Speaker 4: just to be able to get that one companion.
Speaker 3: It's what I thought, what'd you think I think she's
Speaker 3: being drugged. I think she's being drugged, and I think
Speaker 3: that's that's why because she wouldn't eat their food. She
Speaker 3: was making her own food. Once she gets all dressed
Speaker 3: up and she goes out for that night on the
Speaker 3: town by herself and she eats the food they made.
Speaker 3: It seems like that's when the shift started. So I
Speaker 3: started thinking when you look back at the earlier episodes,
Speaker 3: Remember they kept focusing on the fact that that Columbian
Speaker 3: guy would not eat their food. Whenever they would bring food,
Speaker 3: he kept pushing it over. I think that there's something
Speaker 3: in the food. Everybody else is eating the food and
Speaker 3: drinking the drinks, and I think that whatever is in
Speaker 3: that food is placating those people and making them more
Speaker 3: susceptible to accepting. These people in Carol refused to eat
Speaker 3: it until this episode. So I was like, Oh, so
Speaker 3: there's something in this food that's making them Because I
Speaker 3: was like, why is he so like the guy so defiant,
Speaker 3: And then when they showed the guy being the Manudo's guy,
Speaker 3: whatever his name is, And then when they showed the
Speaker 3: pimp dude, I was like, Oh, he's just doing whatever.
Speaker 3: He's drinking all the drinks they make. Because they kept
Speaker 3: focusing on minute shit. They kept focusing on, like the
Speaker 3: alien people making the drinks and then bringing it over
Speaker 3: and they would focus on the drink being put on
Speaker 3: the table. So I think that they were drugging the
Speaker 3: drinks and it's some kind of like, you know, something
Speaker 3: in the in the drinks to make them more comfortable
Speaker 3: being part of this hive mind. So yeah, it was
Speaker 3: probably loneliness too, and it was partly she kind of
Speaker 3: has like a weird crush on this girl. But the
Speaker 3: way she broke down, I was like, ah, nah, there's
Speaker 3: something in that fucking food.
Speaker 2: Do you think she just missed the girl reminded her
Speaker 2: of her wife and she missed her.
Speaker 3: I don't think the girl reminded her of her wife,
Speaker 3: because she didn't look nothing like her wife, she didn't
Speaker 3: act nothing like her wife. I think that she wanted
Speaker 3: a companionship, of course, because she's been alone. But I
Speaker 3: think that her being alone and actively eating whatever the
Speaker 3: fuck they were giving her made her change a bit,
Speaker 3: especially in the next episode, because then we see she's
Speaker 3: really just kind of going all in.
Speaker 2: Based on Vince's history that that is a really good
Speaker 2: point because he did that twice in Breaking Back. Well,
Speaker 2: he would show something and you're like, how fuck are
Speaker 2: you showing this plant out of nowhere and then walk
Speaker 2: used a plant to kill somebody. Well, they would show
Speaker 2: the lady doing a little Splendor packet and Walt had
Speaker 2: snuck some poison in the Splendor packet after she was
Speaker 2: drunk it. So that makes sense what you're saying, because
Speaker 2: he definitely uses it.
Speaker 1: Huh, question for you for everybody? I guess would that
Speaker 1: violate the rules though?
Speaker 3: M because they think that it's toxic niceness. They think that.
Speaker 2: Drug her being them, being one of them is better
Speaker 2: than her being.
Speaker 1: But drugging someone, you're intentionally alternating their mind state to
Speaker 1: go along with your wishes them removes Yeah, but at
Speaker 1: that point, now for the people that left, they need
Speaker 1: their consent because they're immon.
Speaker 3: But they lied about that. They remember that because when
Speaker 3: we see at the end they didn't really, So that
Speaker 3: last episode makes you question if they've been lying about
Speaker 3: shit the whole fucking time or just like stretching the
Speaker 3: truth or just like gaslighting into making you think like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is what we meant, but you just kind of
Speaker 3: took it that way. So yeah, like everything that they're
Speaker 3: doing to me is just like we think we know
Speaker 3: what's best for you. And if you aren't going to
Speaker 3: agree with what we want to do, we're going to
Speaker 3: trick you into agreeing with what we want you to do.
Speaker 1: I think that when she went to the dinner and
Speaker 1: she looked around and there was nobody there, she got
Speaker 1: dressed up, she probably remember what life was like when
Speaker 1: everybody was there, and I think that's when she started
Speaker 1: to break and then cracked and asked them to come back.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what the fuck is she doing with
Speaker 1: the paint? Uh? And I was, yeah when she painted,
Speaker 1: I was, but I ain't. I'm not gonna lie. I
Speaker 1: was disappointed when she I was like, bruh, you broke.
Speaker 1: She broke. Yeah, I'm like, what you're supposed to be like,
Speaker 1: like you're fighting against them, you kill people, you're angry,
Speaker 1: you're mad at everybody. But it's isolationism, Like she's just
Speaker 1: completely isolated. The only thing she got are wolves and
Speaker 1: fireworks and fireworks and singing songs to herself.
Speaker 3: Wait, why were the why were the wolves alive?
Speaker 2: Well, they couldn't do animals, remember, because I.
Speaker 3: Thought all the animals died too.
Speaker 2: Could remember she took him when oh, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 3: I'm never mind I just I'm confusing that with the
Speaker 3: movie where they were sleeping at with all the beds
Speaker 3: where there was a dog there. I was confusing that
Speaker 3: with with We Bear the Dad that I just watched.
Speaker 3: That was the rule in that movie.
Speaker 2: Anyway, speaking of the animals, y'all see they lie about
Speaker 2: that because she was like, y'all take pits too, was like, well,
Speaker 2: only if they won't leave.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the owner the owner side. But in that last
Speaker 3: episode when they overtook that girl, the little baby, the
Speaker 3: goat was trying to stay with her, but they left
Speaker 3: the goat.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was sad. It was stat like that.
Speaker 2: So you remember the last episode open wanted to actually turn, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then the goat was with her and they left that.
Speaker 2: They just left the goat once she turned. So and
Speaker 2: I found that were interesting too, just to get into
Speaker 2: the last episode, how all of those people there were
Speaker 2: infected and then they were going through that practice of
Speaker 2: you know what she usually does just because she hadn't
Speaker 2: been one, and as soon as they converted her, they
Speaker 2: all left, right.
Speaker 1: So going back real quick, just one. I think the
Speaker 1: reason why she started to get more information and intel
Speaker 1: on them is because she went to that diner that
Speaker 1: they built, and she started to see the person that
Speaker 1: the waitress that was working there. She was like, so,
Speaker 1: I think that's when she started to say, Okay, now
Speaker 1: y'all still full of shit, so I'm not with all
Speaker 1: this shit anymore. But she started. And it's so weird
Speaker 1: because I don't know what it is like did she
Speaker 1: started to buy in because when I guess it was
Speaker 1: the last episode when Manusa made it there. Okay, so
Speaker 1: now we'll get to where you were seeing what they
Speaker 1: did with that person explains that everything that they did
Speaker 1: up to this point was bullshit. It's nothing but manipulation
Speaker 1: and coersion. Just we're going to do everything we can
Speaker 1: to break you so you can voluntarily join us. We're
Speaker 1: gonna make you see it's gonna be okay. Everything's nice,
Speaker 1: it's great over here. We're gonna give you all your wishes,
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera, to get them to say, okay,
Speaker 1: I want to be a part of you, and then
Speaker 1: you be a part of it, and then everything else
Speaker 1: is gone and then they just leave everything. They never
Speaker 1: said that that they didn't want her a part of
Speaker 1: the high. They always said, well, we're working on giving
Speaker 1: you a part of this. They said that from the jump.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because she she even asked how long is it
Speaker 3: gonna take?
Speaker 1: But I thought they also said that we need you
Speaker 1: to he did join.
Speaker 3: They said, we need you to join, but we also
Speaker 3: need you to consent. And that's where the part they
Speaker 3: were lying. Because the guy told them that it's a
Speaker 3: surgery that they could do. They found out it's it's
Speaker 3: a surgery that they could do.
Speaker 1: Ye. Yes, Maybe what I'm saying is that, yeah, they've
Speaker 1: always wanted her to join, and they kept, you know,
Speaker 1: urging her on and trying to woo her in whatever
Speaker 1: way they can. When I looked at the village, I
Speaker 1: looked at that girl. They did the same thing to
Speaker 1: her too, you know, except she wasn't like Carol, you know,
Speaker 1: she was more open to the idea. She was like
Speaker 1: the other people you were talking about, you know, where
Speaker 1: they just kind of went along with it, and she
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, fine, I'm gonna agree to join the hive.
Speaker 1: And then, like you said, they just left the animal
Speaker 1: where it was.
Speaker 2: And soon she changed over everything that they were doing.
Speaker 1: Soon she changed over. But it seems like throughout that
Speaker 1: whole process they were just it's just like somebody you see.
Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna give you our best representative and
Speaker 1: we're gonna do everything. Everything's great over here. You know
Speaker 1: I'm the best person for you. This is great, great, great,
Speaker 1: And then you get there, it's like the grass isn't greener,
Speaker 1: you know. So with Carol, Carol was the only one
Speaker 1: that wasn't willing to do that, which is why it
Speaker 1: took so much effort to get her on board. And
Speaker 1: then by the time we get to this episode, a
Speaker 1: lot of other people have already agreed to do the process,
Speaker 1: and then we found out that the stem cells is
Speaker 1: how they managed to figure out a way to convert
Speaker 1: them over. The question is I think at this point
Speaker 1: do they still need to consent that point.
Speaker 3: That's why Karen was mad, and she was like, y'all
Speaker 3: are fucking lying because she said no, she wasn't. That's
Speaker 3: what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 4: They never said okay, they never said that they didn't
Speaker 4: want her part of the hot mind.
Speaker 1: They never said that.
Speaker 4: What they did say is that we're working right now
Speaker 4: to be able to take to break you, to make
Speaker 4: your joint right. The conflict comes in because she thought
Speaker 4: that they needed that they would need her consent because
Speaker 4: they couldn't, you know, without it.
Speaker 3: They explicitly said that. No, I'm saying follow me.
Speaker 1: So yeah.
Speaker 4: So when she found that out that they need her consent,
Speaker 4: she was like blank, great sigh relief, Like I ain't
Speaker 4: got to worry about y'all taking over my mind or
Speaker 4: whatever whatever.
Speaker 1: And that's how she chose to be with Zozi.
Speaker 4: And because y'all need my consent, right, things change when
Speaker 4: they realize they can do it do it. When they
Speaker 4: did find a way to do it through the stem cells,
Speaker 4: she was not mad about She's mad. She's mad, but
Speaker 4: that's why she was just like, well, how long? She
Speaker 4: was just like, well, how long do I have? Like
Speaker 4: because she had to accept it.
Speaker 3: No, y'all, she was mad because they lied. They did
Speaker 3: lie because we now we're saying we don't need your consent.
Speaker 3: We're going to do it without your consent.
Speaker 4: Thought they only said that because they because they didn't
Speaker 4: they didn't have a solution.
Speaker 3: But no, no, no, no, no y'all buying into their lies.
Speaker 1: Let me say, y'all, rules, are you saying that the
Speaker 1: rules changed? No, I'm not saying that the rules changed.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying that the circumstances changed before, like like
Speaker 4: like the like the the guy, the guy that has
Speaker 4: all the women and everything. They would need his consent
Speaker 4: still because they don't have a way to just naturally
Speaker 4: bring him a part of the hive.
Speaker 1: They don't have a way to do it. They don't
Speaker 1: have it stem cells.
Speaker 3: They don't have it stem cells. They have her stem
Speaker 3: cells because she froze her eggs. So technically it's not
Speaker 3: against her will. It's just like how we did everybody else. No,
Speaker 3: it is against her will. They specifically said to Carol,
Speaker 3: we cannot do this without your consent. They put it
Speaker 3: on a billboard. Yeah, I know, So what do you
Speaker 3: mean It's not against because because they have her stem cells,
Speaker 3: so that's still against her consent. She never consented, all right,
Speaker 3: all right, here we go, here we go.
Speaker 4: All right, So technically they didn't have anyone's consent, right, So, yes,
Speaker 4: y'all are right in that, in that sensus, right, but
Speaker 4: they never said that they didn't want to bring her.
Speaker 1: We're past that.
Speaker 3: But we're past that. But that's the conflict. No, the
Speaker 3: conflict is consent. No, yes, it is, God it is.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I think the stem cells is the thing
Speaker 1: that's introduced that's causing the conflict and what is happening because.
Speaker 3: She thought they could not do anything to her unless
Speaker 3: they did the operation on her, and they said, we
Speaker 3: will not do any of this without your consent. Right,
Speaker 3: So then they figured out they could use the stem
Speaker 3: cells from the Yeah, so.
Speaker 4: She could just do what we could, just do what
Speaker 4: we did do to you, what we did to everybody.
Speaker 3: Else, right, which is against her consent. I don't disagree
Speaker 3: with that.
Speaker 4: When no, no, no no, when I said, I told you,
Speaker 4: I'm aware that they didn't have anybody's consent just to
Speaker 4: begin with, right, Okay, all I'm saying is that that
Speaker 4: particular consent thing was what they were saying that they
Speaker 4: they're not they're not allowed to just force the force
Speaker 4: her into.
Speaker 1: It that way. Okay, let me but they can do
Speaker 1: it through the stem cells. Okay, let me back up.
Speaker 1: So I try to get some more clarity what the
Speaker 1: two levels of consent? So so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet.
Speaker 1: Like what okay, because I think the rules are starting
Speaker 1: to become confusing. So because they had to perform a
Speaker 1: surgery on her, that's the content they're saying that they
Speaker 1: need her consent to do the surgery because maybe to them,
Speaker 1: that is afflicting on that particular person and they can't
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 3: We're not violating consents, violating it At that point.
Speaker 2: I get what you're saying that, how did it affect?
Speaker 2: I took that the wrong way. I thought that they
Speaker 2: would infect a child like from her age.
Speaker 1: It's still it's themselves, so it's still party.
Speaker 3: They said, have had her eggs.
Speaker 2: I thought they were gonna have to. I didn't know
Speaker 2: that she was gonna get affected if they used that.
Speaker 3: You thought she was bad and they were infecting a vetus.
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, so that's so now we can we can
Speaker 5: bring you into the hive without physically harming you, and
Speaker 5: we therefore we don't need your consent like we didn't
Speaker 5: need consent to anybody else in this.
Speaker 4: That's why she accepted, just like how many days do
Speaker 4: I have? She like, damn, y'all got me.
Speaker 3: But she was, but she was still mad about it.
Speaker 4: She wasn't mad like it's it's it's a different type
Speaker 4: of mad man.
Speaker 2: She was manipulating her, right, that's what we like a
Speaker 2: relationship manipulation.
Speaker 1: They were doing that too, Yes, yeah, that Zozie or
Speaker 1: whatever her name is. All of that wasna.
Speaker 3: Yes, to keep her playcated until she can figure out
Speaker 3: how to bring her forcefully.
Speaker 1: Which they were lying.
Speaker 3: Yes, Harold didn't think that that's what they were doing.
Speaker 3: Carol thought she was just gonna be cool until they
Speaker 3: you know, until whatever. Unless she actually consented to them
Speaker 3: doing the surgery.
Speaker 1: She turned into the guy that was doing James Bond stuff. Yes,
Speaker 1: she got fantasy, Yes, exactly. So going back to this thing,
Speaker 1: because it's a very confused part of the show, is
Speaker 1: that so with everybody else, since they don't have their
Speaker 1: stem cells, they need consent from them because it will
Speaker 1: requires service.
Speaker 4: I get okay, yes, all right, cool, Yes, they can't
Speaker 4: do that. So that's why I say they're not necessarily lying.
Speaker 4: So she's the only one.
Speaker 3: In the grand scope of things. Yes, they are, because
Speaker 3: we don't know their actual intentions. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: They lie by omission. There you go, We on the
Speaker 3: stand page.
Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, all right. The last episode was like she
Speaker 2: got old el Mondo, and this is where Minosius arrives
Speaker 2: and clashes with Carol.
Speaker 1: Before we get there too, the girl that did it,
Speaker 1: like the ritual thing.
Speaker 3: I think they got.
Speaker 4: That's that's how they That's how they were able to
Speaker 4: do it with her too, because she didn't have to
Speaker 4: do the operation, even though she willingly wanted to do.
Speaker 4: You'll remember she had to sniff the she was whatever,
Speaker 4: and they didn't have to do the needle thing that
Speaker 4: they said they were gonna do.
Speaker 3: I took it. No, I took it that they already
Speaker 3: did it. And that's what that smoke was. They did
Speaker 3: the operation, they put it in whatever that little thing
Speaker 3: he was, and they were like, go ahead and take that,
Speaker 3: and that's what changed her.
Speaker 1: Oh you think they did operation on her, yes, because
Speaker 1: otherwise do it.
Speaker 4: I thought they did a stem cell thing with her too,
Speaker 4: But it's just how they found out they can do
Speaker 4: sims stem cells.
Speaker 3: Oh wait a minute, that would take a lot of guessing,
Speaker 3: because they never implied that that girl even had any
Speaker 3: stem cells laying around.
Speaker 4: I understand they didn't imply it, but how would we
Speaker 4: know that. That's how did they figure out, that's how
Speaker 4: we can do it.
Speaker 3: Because they found Carol's DNA in that because they said
Speaker 3: all we need is DNA.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, So.
Speaker 3: They found her DNA in this because they know everything
Speaker 3: right because they have their they have the brain of
Speaker 3: the doctors and all that. So I think at one
Speaker 3: point they figured out, oh, our doctor part of us
Speaker 3: remembers that Carol was doing stem cells.
Speaker 1: So why did they just now find out about that? Though?
Speaker 3: Maybe I think it took them, sorry Ken, real quick.
Speaker 3: I think it just took them a while to figure
Speaker 3: out that they could use the stem cells to do that.
Speaker 3: That's why I'm saying.
Speaker 4: That's why I thought they got the idea from the
Speaker 4: Peruvian girl.
Speaker 3: But that would take a lot of implying though, because
Speaker 3: they never even said anything about that girl.
Speaker 1: Unless I missed it, I think they may have already
Speaker 1: been working on it away once. Maybe the idea of
Speaker 1: the stem sell like, oh, we got stem cells, can
Speaker 1: we use something with stem cells? And the brilliant minds guy.
Speaker 1: I thought the Peruvian girls flashback from the past.
Speaker 3: I did too, I didn't. I thought that she was
Speaker 3: at the dinner. So I think the Peruvian girl just
Speaker 3: gave in because they she was really a part of community,
Speaker 3: and that's why it made it very They made it
Speaker 3: a very big point about the ritual thing. And then
Speaker 3: the second she became one of them, they all bounced.
Speaker 3: They killed community and it killed the Yeah, so I
Speaker 3: think I think that she just gave in.
Speaker 1: So they were they were in that community, pretending like
Speaker 1: they were still part of the community, pretending She was
Speaker 1: like stopped saying the eye. She was used yourself and
Speaker 1: she kept trying to use her own like pronoun whatever.
Speaker 3: But yeah, oh yeah, she was having a hard time
Speaker 3: doing that saying.
Speaker 1: I yep, yeah, but have to do it because it's
Speaker 1: more that's what Carol was asking for.
Speaker 3: When when she when they fucked, I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: there we go.
Speaker 2: She was like she was with Caroen knows was opening.
Speaker 3: She doing a little cold or something. She ate the
Speaker 3: food and ate something.
Speaker 1: All right. Man.
Speaker 2: The last episode, Minosis and Carol finally meet each other.
Speaker 2: They class of course, it was hilarious and having a
Speaker 2: conversation with the phone. I love that was real.
Speaker 3: That was actually really good. That was really good, right,
Speaker 3: especially when when he dropped the phone and the thing
Speaker 3: and it was still trying to get it out and
Speaker 3: he was like, god, damn it, shut up, and it
Speaker 3: was like it was it was really good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So of course they go back and forth. He tries
Speaker 2: to convince Carol who's following love and it's thinking about
Speaker 2: doing it and he tells you that it's bad.
Speaker 1: He was talking shit to its. He was hard. He
Speaker 1: was like, you want this or do you want the
Speaker 1: girl or something like that.
Speaker 3: You want to say the world or you want the girl?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And they finally come to the same page and
Speaker 2: an Adam bomb is delivered.
Speaker 1: That shit was crazy, but he Carol again became the
Speaker 1: other guy and he was based. Carol tried. It was like, bro,
Speaker 1: what are you doing?
Speaker 3: But yeah, but if you think about it, he still
Speaker 3: has not eaten any of their food.
Speaker 2: Is that what you were saying that you.
Speaker 3: Said, Yeah, yeah, I feel like he is still gung
Speaker 3: ho because he hasn't eaten. I know I could be
Speaker 3: completely one hundred percent wrong, but that's just what I
Speaker 3: was figuring. He still has anything from right right right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he hates him and I think he's right. He
Speaker 1: was like, they're listening to everything and she's going to
Speaker 1: have become more trustworthy.
Speaker 3: That part till I'm glad you brought that up, because
Speaker 3: at the very beginning she was super paranoid about everything.
Speaker 3: But at the end she was like, why would they
Speaker 3: bug my house? What are you talking about? And I
Speaker 3: was like, wait a minute, five episodes ago, you thought
Speaker 3: they were bugging everything. And the only difference again is
Speaker 3: I think she's started eating the food or drinking the
Speaker 3: proverbial kool aid. I think the difference, too, is that
Speaker 3: she's had more interactions with them and have more study
Speaker 3: on them than he does.
Speaker 1: True.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's had no interactions.
Speaker 4: With like, look, they can't lie, they can't do this
Speaker 4: like I've I've been experienced for the last how many days,
Speaker 4: a month, three months?
Speaker 3: At this point, I can't remember what it said. Seventy days. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she was about was about to shoot him over the
Speaker 3: theme that she hates.
Speaker 1: I don't remember that.
Speaker 3: When did she put a gun on him?
Speaker 4: She shot it when she came into the house. Was
Speaker 4: it at she shot it past him? Let her let
Speaker 4: uh get away from from whatever?
Speaker 1: When he was trying to No, no, he was screaming
Speaker 1: at the guy. Yeah, because jo jall fell out.
Speaker 3: Do not remember this part.
Speaker 4: I believe y'all because she was just like, all right,
Speaker 4: something's about to happen or whatever. Zoja was like something's
Speaker 4: about to happen on the floor, and she started doing
Speaker 4: a convosing thing so that she said, oh, it got
Speaker 4: to be him. So that's when she ran over with
Speaker 4: the gun.
Speaker 3: So what was he doing.
Speaker 4: He was trying to get it to match some type
Speaker 4: of frequency, understand what they were saying.
Speaker 1: So how they communicated.
Speaker 3: So he just hit the wrong frequency and it fucked
Speaker 3: him up. Nah, No, he was he was purposely.
Speaker 4: Yelling at him to get him to do that convulsion
Speaker 4: ship or whatever. And it's just because when they're going
Speaker 4: through that, they give off a frequency, they give off
Speaker 4: a frequency, and he was just trying.
Speaker 2: To match it and see what it would do if
Speaker 2: they did.
Speaker 1: That, you know.
Speaker 4: And then and that's why he was just like, you know,
Speaker 4: the person that they they took over, he think that
Speaker 4: they're still in there, and he's just like, yo, I
Speaker 4: know you.
Speaker 3: Can hear me. Yeah yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 4: So so why why the signal was down. He's trying
Speaker 4: to get to the person. Yeah, yeah, he thinks the
Speaker 4: person is still alive. He just needs he just needs
Speaker 4: to break that signal so he can talk to the
Speaker 4: person or whatever. But the person's been in that body,
Speaker 4: in that state for so long, it's probably gonna be
Speaker 4: hard to get through to them.
Speaker 1: Imagine like coming out of that if you have still
Speaker 1: awareness of everything, you.
Speaker 3: Wake up something, y'all'll let you in Spanish?
Speaker 2: Okay, interesting, So did y'all like the end of.
Speaker 1: It was? It was a dramatic ending, yeah, bringing the
Speaker 1: atomic bomb, but it's just like, bro, like, now you
Speaker 1: know she had to go through that.
Speaker 2: I like, it can't take forever to come back. I
Speaker 2: would say, it's just the only way the end it
Speaker 2: gonna be, like they need to continue this story like
Speaker 2: six months and I'm waiting two years to see the
Speaker 2: rest of this.
Speaker 3: See that's the problem I had. I don't think this
Speaker 3: was a good ending for this season. It was like,
Speaker 3: y'all didn't do enough in this show to end it
Speaker 3: like this, because this does not have me hyped to
Speaker 3: see what happens after this, not at all, I am.
Speaker 4: Because it's because of the unanswered questions, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, What are their intentions?
Speaker 1: Like world peace? It's not though you don't think so, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: So why would they let themselves die?
Speaker 1: And they say they can't lie either, but they might
Speaker 1: be lying about that though the same shit they lie
Speaker 1: like a motherbuger.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's a very actuist. I don't know. It's it's weird
Speaker 1: to be this alien from out of space, like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: we just want everybody to get along.
Speaker 2: Like why did y'all come here and invade us to
Speaker 2: tell you?
Speaker 3: Well, because they probably didn't know that the bodies would
Speaker 3: not be able to sustain themselves. Maybe I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, but you know, it's and it's again, like throughout
Speaker 1: the whole episode, they kept saying over and over again,
Speaker 1: we're going to get you as part of the hot
Speaker 1: It's going to happen, and one way or the other,
Speaker 1: you know, we just don't know why you haven't converted over.
Speaker 1: We got our scientists working on it, and at some
Speaker 1: point we're gonna convert you over. So even though there's
Speaker 1: and that was before CONSENTI that came up, right, didn't
Speaker 1: come up until later. So to your point, Rob, the
Speaker 1: whole season, every episode they were like, yeah, we're gonna
Speaker 1: we want you to be a part of it. We
Speaker 1: just know right now, we don't know how to do it,
Speaker 1: but we're gonna do it. We're gonna figure it out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at some point we're gonna figure this shit out. So
Speaker 1: you might as well just just agree, yeah, as.
Speaker 2: Vince does in his other shows, before we rap. I
Speaker 2: just want to share this. I thought it was generation.
Speaker 2: The colors had meanings here like he did with Breaking
Speaker 2: bed with a Colors represent different things. Just a brief
Speaker 2: synopsis of it's a dope YouTube video out there on
Speaker 2: this if y'all want to hear more about it. But
Speaker 2: yellow represented the human, the individual world, personal identity, joy,
Speaker 2: and the normal everyday life. You would see monocious and yellow.
Speaker 2: You would see Carol in yellow. Blue signified the hive
Speaker 2: mind collectuses them and comfort uh the emerging new world.
Speaker 2: Blue imagery, like vast oceans, cold settings often surrounds the
Speaker 2: hives influence, so you'll see a lot of blue when
Speaker 2: it's the hive around. Red signals danger, violence or harm.
Speaker 2: Purple was sometimes appearing in the blend of hope and love.
Speaker 2: Green may suggests in difference with a mix of yellow
Speaker 2: and blue themes, and white often symbolize that death or
Speaker 2: surrender in TV and film through this least prominent. So
Speaker 2: that's a dope video about how they use the colors,
Speaker 2: and they show the scenes as to where like what
Speaker 2: Mike was saying, when you she started to be more
Speaker 2: open towards the hive mind, she would have blue she
Speaker 2: had blue on, like she would have a yellow shirt,
Speaker 2: but the jacket would be blue or something like that.
Speaker 2: So I thought that was really interesting.
Speaker 3: Color theory is definitely.
Speaker 1: Out of many one. I think that's what that means.
Speaker 1: Out of many one, all right.
Speaker 4: But yeah, No, the other thing too that I'm looking
Speaker 4: forward to is just like, you know, like why are
Speaker 4: they immune? Like why are these twelve people immune?
Speaker 3: Like what is it about these people? That's what I
Speaker 3: like to know to you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So it's still things that I want to know that
Speaker 4: I would tune into a season two.
Speaker 2: For a lot of different ways that they could go with.
Speaker 2: I just hope it gets more entertaining. It's interesting. I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's entertaining. So I'm definitely here for
Speaker 2: to see the rest of it, how it plays out.
Speaker 2: But again, it took me four times to really sit
Speaker 2: down and watch Better Call Saw so and that's one
Speaker 2: of my favorite show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I Better Call SAUW. Yeah yeah, but you can
Speaker 1: watch it not Rod and get it full and drumming
Speaker 1: out of it. But yeah, like.
Speaker 2: It took it took three seasons for you to really
Speaker 2: get a grasp on what was like, Oh, Okay, I
Speaker 2: get it them and.
Speaker 1: Then build up so they entrust them that his fans
Speaker 1: will stay around.
Speaker 2: Facts it already got renewed for the second and the
Speaker 2: third season.
Speaker 1: I think yeah, and I think you know this, this
Speaker 1: this is the type of show that people love like
Speaker 1: because they can sit around and come up with all
Speaker 1: these theories about what's going on, what's happening. It's just
Speaker 1: like those that Middle Patch. It's like, how are you
Speaker 1: gonna find something to talk about with that? And that's
Speaker 1: where it really really struggled. But I mean sitting here
Speaker 1: talking about it, it's fun. Yeah, Like we get to
Speaker 1: see he and theorize and engaging conversation about what we
Speaker 1: just watched.
Speaker 2: It's just watching it.
Speaker 1: Watching it actually rough. You know after the first couple
Speaker 1: of episodes, it's not worth keeping out A Plus I.
Speaker 2: Said, no, I wouldn't, but I got some shows for
Speaker 2: you to make you keep it though.
Speaker 3: Okay, I definitely do.
Speaker 2: But that has been our review of the Apple Plus
Speaker 2: TV show Playibus. Thank you for joining the France per
Speaker 2: second podcast We out Peace, Peace