1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: Live from Vaal Hartliner and the Crossroads of America. 2 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today. 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 3: So I think we're all in agreement that how the 4 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 3: Democrats look fleeing Texas because they don't want to have 5 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 3: a conversation about redistricting, the Democrats rallying around them, saying 6 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 3: look at these heroes. 7 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 2: It all comes across as very very embarrassing. But there are. 8 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 3: Political fallouts to all things, sometimes minimal, sometimes very very large. 9 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: One way or another. There's a win, there's a loss. 10 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 3: Very rarely are things just kind of met How does 11 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 3: this play out for Democrats? 12 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 2: How does it play out for Republicans? 13 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 3: And should we be asking ourselves the question should we 14 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 3: be involved in this redistricting? Tony CAATs Tony Katz today, 15 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 3: Good to be with you. Ed Morrissey joins me right now. 16 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 3: You know him from hot Air where he is the 17 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 3: coppo di tutti coappo over there. He lives in Tahos. 18 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, that's French for Texas. Talk to me, 19 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 3: talk to me, Ed Morrissey. Your Democrats up and left, 20 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 3: like Wisconsin Democrats up and left. I think going back 21 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 3: to twenty ten, which was collective bargaining. I believe it 22 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 3: was ZAC ten Indiana Democrats left in twenty eleven. Everybody 23 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 3: went to Illinois. By the way, in twenty eleven, it 24 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 3: was about union issues. This is something that happens. Republicans 25 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 3: have also done this. Democrats have just perfected this. Their 26 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 3: argument is that redistricting is racist or redistricting is stealing elections. 27 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:43,199 Speaker 2: What's the story. 28 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: Well, first off, it actually started in Texas in two 29 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: thousand and three over a different redistricting package. Texas Democrats 30 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: did it, then it didn't work. Eventually, they just kept 31 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: calling special sessions until they found enough Democrats to hold 32 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: a quorum. Right, They did it again in twenty twenty one. 33 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: They did it again four years ago, and then the 34 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 1: state legislature passed some laws that makes it a felony 35 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: to fund flea bagging. That's what my term for it 36 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: is fleabagging. I kind of tried to coin that one 37 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: in the Wisconsin flea bagging and for the Act ten 38 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: stuff that Scott Walker was pushing through. So they've done 39 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: this now. This is the third time that Texas Democrats 40 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: have done this, and one of the things that the 41 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: Republicans are now trying to argue is that if Democrats 42 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 1: refuse to show up for a duly called special session, 43 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: because the governor has the authority to call a special session, 44 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,679 Speaker 1: if they refuse to show up, that they have abandoned 45 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: their offices and those seats should be declared vacant. That's 46 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: what's happening right now. Greg Gabbott and Ken Paxton are 47 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: separately working that issue. They want to go to the 48 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: courts and have these seats declared. 49 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 2: Vacant, Gabbot meanting Governor Ken Paxon being the attorney. 50 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: Governor Attorney general. Right now, they're acting a little bit 51 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: of cross purposes, and there's a bunch of technical issues 52 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: that are involved in that, but they both have basically 53 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: the same end goal, which is to start vacating these offices, 54 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: and if you vacate enough of them, the number for 55 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: the quorum drops and eventually it gets to the point 56 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: where where Democrats simply can't obstruct the legislature any longer. 57 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: So that's what they're trying to do right now. My 58 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: understanding is that a couple of the Democrats returned I 59 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: think yesterday. I'm not necessarily sure why, but it's not 60 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: enough to get a quorum yet, and so they're back. 61 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: For whatever reason, they're back, and they were brought to 62 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: the They were brought to the Chamber and forced to 63 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: and forced to you know, show that they were there 64 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: in order to take a record of it. The House 65 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: has authorized warrants or civil arrest warrants for the fleabaggers, 66 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: so they can be arrested and brought to the chamber. 67 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: The Legislature has that authority, but there's a deadline for 68 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: the Friday morning, So technically speaking, those wards aren't quite 69 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: yet active because the House Speaker gave a Friday nine 70 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: am deadlines. Part of the technical issues that's going back 71 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: and forth between Abbott and Paxton, and that's the reason 72 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: why courts probably won't get involved until at least that 73 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,239 Speaker 1: point in time, because courts don't like to get involved 74 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: in political disputes between the other two branches of government. 75 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: They prefer them to work that stuff out for themselves. 76 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,799 Speaker 1: But at some point the courts may have to step 77 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: in and say, look, if you don't show up, you've 78 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: abandoned your office and it can be declared vacant, at 79 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: which point I would assume that the Democrats will start 80 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: returning to Texas well. 81 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 2: That's a pretty strong assumption. 82 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 3: Talking to Ed Marcy of hot air dot com, Let's 83 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 3: now dig into a little deepro of the why this 84 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 3: is about redistricting, which is not something that is unusual. 85 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 3: It happens every ten years post census. But this is 86 00:04:53,600 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 3: about the mid decade redistricting, which is certainly rareer, but 87 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 3: is not unheard of. The argument from the Democratic Party 88 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 3: is what. 89 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: The argument is that it's illegitimate and that the reason 90 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: why they're doing it is to undo racially constructed districts 91 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: so that minority representation in Congress could be increased. It's 92 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: a part of the whole nineteen sixty four Voting Rights 93 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: Act and how the courts had been involved in redistricting. 94 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: The problem with this is is that the Biden administration 95 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: tried to intervene in redistricting I believe it was two 96 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: or three years ago, and ended up losing that battle 97 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: in court, which then sort of opened this up. By 98 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: the way, Democrats in New York have tried to do 99 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: mid cycle redistricting twice already, that's the twenty twenty census. 100 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: So it's a little rich to hear from Democrats that 101 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: that is somehow illegitimate. 102 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 3: And that's and I think that's where the point means 103 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 3: to be ed. 104 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 2: We could all agree on a couple of things. 105 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 3: We could all agree that the way we draw districts 106 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 3: is criminally insane. It looks like to occupy humping in 107 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 3: a lot of these districts. 108 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 2: It's tentacles everywhere. It's nuts. We could agree, we would 109 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 2: love a system. Here's a grid loop. 110 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 3: It's done, and so the district doesn't move on to you, 111 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 3: you move into or out of a district. But that 112 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 3: isn't the way it is right now. Jerry Mandering, as 113 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 3: we call it, happens in all these places. So that's 114 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 3: number one. And number two is what we're hearing from 115 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 3: the political left is that somehow what they're doing, what 116 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 3: Republicans are doing in Texas is illegal or it is 117 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 3: against the rules. And what we're hearing from you is 118 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 3: absolutely no part of that is true. 119 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: No, it's not illegal, it's not against the rules. It's 120 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: a political it's a political decision, right, So they're making 121 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: a political decision to redistrict. The legislature has the authority 122 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: to redistrict at any time. So the way that you 123 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: deal with that is you have a legislative session which 124 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: is focused on that. People propose bills and you go 125 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: back and forth amendments and all this kind of stuff, 126 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: and if you think that the outcome is illegitimate, you take. 127 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 2: It to court. 128 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: Now, this is not news. This has been going on 129 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: for decades. The problem for Democrats is in the states 130 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: that they control, they have passed that authority along to 131 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: supposedly independent commissions that are stacked by Democrats to produce 132 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: heavily jerymndered maps. I mean, the irony of this is 133 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: that they fled to Illinois, which has got one of 134 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: the worst gerrymandered states in the country. It's not the worst. 135 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: I think Maryland is actually worse in terms of representation, 136 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: but Illinois is right up there. And so they all 137 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: fled to Illinois on a private jet in order to 138 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: avoid in order to obstruct the democratic process. In Texas, 139 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: people elect representatives to the state legislature to deal with 140 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: these issues. That's representative democracy. And they are throwing sand 141 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: in the gears of representative democracy. Whether or not you 142 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: like it, whether or not you like the product or not, 143 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: they're obstructing democracy. And that's the reason why their Republicans 144 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: are escalating this rapidly. 145 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 3: And so you're seeing the redistricting conversation now happen in 146 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 3: other states. My beloved Indiana, we've got the Vice President 147 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 3: coming to town to actually have this conversation. We have 148 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 3: nine congressional districts, seven held by Republicans, and the only 149 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 3: district that I think you can maneuver is what's known 150 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 3: as the Indiana First, which is up near Chicago, northwest 151 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 3: part of Indiana, and that's currently held by Democrat Frank Mervan. 152 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 2: We'll get into that as we see things progress. 153 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 3: Talking to Ed Morrissey of hotair dot com, the Democrats 154 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 3: have decided that those Texas Democrats are heroes, that they 155 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 3: should be lauded and glorified and their names sung and 156 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 3: praised in every way. 157 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 2: And JB. 158 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 3: Pritzker, the governor of Illinois, is showing up with them, 159 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 3: and Kathy Hochel is showing up with them, and Jasmine Crockett, 160 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 3: the congresswoman from Texas is showing up with them. 161 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 2: And then CNN we got to. 162 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 3: Of course, the greatest voice Texas ever produced, and. 163 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 2: That is Beto O'Rourke to chime in. Listen to this. 164 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 4: I think what they're doing is the highest form of 165 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 4: public service. They're trying to stop the consolidation of authoritarian 166 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 4: power in America. As Trump and Greg Abbott and Ken 167 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 4: Paxson and the Republicans in Texas thick as thieves try 168 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 4: to steal these five seats in Texas because without them, 169 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 4: Trump's going to lose a majority in the House of Representatives, 170 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 4: and without that majority, there's a check on his lawlessness, 171 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 4: accountability for his crimes and corruption, and the possibility of 172 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 4: free and fair elections going forward. Those fifty six Texas 173 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 4: Democrats are all that stand between that future and where 174 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 4: we are right now. 175 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 2: Now, there's a couple pieces in that. 176 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 3: First, if CNN has to go to Beto O'Rourke, this 177 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 3: is really bottom of the barrel stuff. Beto o'rourk is 178 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 3: a multiple time loser. Betel O'Rourke has shown down no 179 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 3: political acumen, has only shown to be effective somewhat on 180 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 3: a skateboard on a stage. This is the totality of 181 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 3: how Beto O'Rourke has uh progressed and has uh worked 182 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 3: himself in Texas these five seats. First, I don't believe 183 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 3: that these five seats are necessary for Republicans keeping majority 184 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 3: in the House, although I would agree that keeping majority 185 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 3: in the House is difficult. 186 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 2: Where did that talking point come from. 187 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think you look at how thin 188 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: the margin is in the House and the fact that 189 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: I think Republican the Republican seats in New York are 190 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: probably at risk, especially you know, with the the tax 191 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: thing that went on with the you know, the salt 192 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: the salt adjustments and stuff like that didn't leave people 193 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: very happy in New York because we're still not subsidizing 194 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: their state extremely high state taxes through the federal tax system. Right, 195 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 1: I think there's some risk there. And of course, in 196 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: midterm elections, presidents generally tend to see a loss in 197 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: the House, not necessarily in the Senate, but in the House. 198 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: And look, I mean you've got a margin four or 199 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: five seats, so four or five seats matter. And look, 200 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 1: I think you can make the arguments that they're certainly 201 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: thinking about that while they're going through this. But again, 202 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: redistricting is a political process. It's Texas is not the 203 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: first date to do this mid mid cycle. They won't 204 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: be the last either, And that's what it's supposed to be. 205 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: It's supposed to be a political process so that if 206 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: people are unhappy about the result, they can then hold 207 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: the politicians who produced it accountable, not independent commissions, which, 208 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: by the way, is neecapping Democrats' ability to respond to 209 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: this because in places like California and New York, and 210 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: I think Illinois too, although there's not much they can 211 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: do in Illinois or Maryland, they can't. They simply can't 212 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: redistrict because they've handed that authority off to independent commissions 213 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: who can't do anything about it. They're going to have 214 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: to change their state constitutions to make it a political 215 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: process again so that they can they can engage in 216 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: whatever it is that they want to do, and they 217 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: don't have time to cycle to get it done. It's 218 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why you're seeing this obstruction take 219 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 1: place now here in Texas. And look, the pleabagging thing 220 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 1: never works. It didn't work in Wisconsin. Act ten got passed, 221 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: it didn't work in Texas the other two times that 222 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: they've tried it. And now that there's there's some serious 223 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: penalties that go along with it, including for Better O'Rourke, 224 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: whose organization is funding this, and four years ago the 225 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: Texas Legislator legislature made it a felony to fund the 226 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: to provide funds for the obstruction of the Texas legislature. Now, 227 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: obviously there's a lot of intricacies and how that money 228 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: is flowing, but I suspect that Ken Paxton is going 229 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: to be somewhat inclined to take a rather harsh view. 230 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: Is anybody going to go to jem out the sources 231 00:12:58,760 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: of this money? 232 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 3: I mean, you know that the issues in terms of 233 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 3: the warrants are civil warrants, not criminal warrants. But if 234 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 3: you're funding these things, as you bring it up to 235 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 3: the question that is, does anybody go to jail cuffed 236 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 3: frog march into a courtroom as you would be if 237 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 3: you didn't pay your taxes? 238 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: Well, I suspect not, because I suspect that the Democrats 239 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: are going to send a few people back here just 240 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: to get this thing over with, because if they have 241 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: to close the session because Texas Democrats don't come back, 242 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: Abbitt's just going to open up another session and he'll 243 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: do that for as long as it takes until courts 244 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: finally declare those seats vacant, because if they are never 245 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 1: going to show up for a special session, those seats 246 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: are effectively vacant, and the courts are going to eventually 247 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: have to recognize that. I don't know that they're ready 248 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: to do it right now. We'll see, but I suspect 249 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: that if there's two sessions and they don't show up 250 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: for the second session, courts are going to be a 251 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: lot more amenable to the argument that Democrats have abandoned 252 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: their offices and that those seats are vacant and should 253 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: be put up for special election. 254 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 2: Let's talk about what you get out of it. 255 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,839 Speaker 3: Talking to Ed Marscy of hotair dot com, Certainly things 256 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 3: are done politically for a purpose, and you can argue 257 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 3: that there's a gain. You can argue that there's a 258 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 3: loss of very few things keep you just, you know, stagnant. 259 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 3: There are statements you can make that don't affect you, 260 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 3: but actual actions usually cut one way or another. It's 261 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 3: just a question to the varying level of degrees. What 262 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 3: is it that the Democrats believe they gain from this maneuver, 263 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 3: not only the Texas maneuver. We can understand while they're 264 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 3: trying to stimy this action, but this is about drawing 265 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 3: attention to something. And look at all the governors and 266 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 3: everybody else and the media that's behind them, what do 267 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 3: they believe the gain? 268 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 2: Here is the gain. 269 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: Here is the continued disqualification campaign against Donald Trump. And 270 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: you heard it from Better of Work. The crimes he's 271 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: committing that, you know, the illegitimacy of his actions. There's 272 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: no check on his power, which is nonsense. There's plenty 273 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: of checks on his power in the courts. The problem 274 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: is that Donald Trump is an actually breaking laws. He's 275 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: not actually committing crimes. He is using his executive authority, 276 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: and the courts are having to recognize that, and Democrats 277 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: don't like it. They are trying to run the same 278 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: disqualification campaign that they've been running against Donald Trump, really 279 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: for ten years now. It worked barely in twenty twenty, 280 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: it didn't work last year, it failed miserably last year, 281 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: and it's still don't have it. There's no other principle 282 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: that the Democrat Party has right now except that Donald 283 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: Trump is a big meani and we want to stop him. 284 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, this is it. 285 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 3: Their entire methodology is pointing and crying and doing the 286 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 3: whole thing, saying that guy stole my cookies or whatever. 287 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 2: That's the whole math. And you say to me, Tony, 288 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 2: that's a cheap way to put it. Actually, I don't 289 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 2: think it is. 290 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 3: The entire conversation is you the people didn't listen to us, 291 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 3: Your betters elected somebody we told was bad, so therefore 292 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 3: you have to suffer. 293 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: I always believe this has nothing to do with Trump 294 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 2: and everything to do with the people. 295 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 3: But it does show that they don't have anything else 296 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 3: that connects with Americans. They don't have anything else that 297 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 3: connects with citizens, with voters. So in the conversation of Gains, 298 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 3: I can't figure out who they're going to get to 299 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 3: their side, Who amongst the Republicans, Who amongst the independence 300 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 3: and moderates, whatever you want to call them. Ed now 301 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 3: looks at this and say, you know what, what Republicans 302 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 3: are doing is really wrong. Here, We're going to change 303 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 3: the way we vote in the midterms. 304 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: Again, I think it's delusional. So, I mean, I think 305 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: what they think is that if they keep doing the 306 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: same thing over and over again, they're going to achieve 307 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: a different result, which is the definition of insanity. One 308 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: definition of insanity. It's delusional. They are trapped within their 309 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: own thought bubble and they don't have a connection out 310 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: to reality. They're living in side this blue sky twitterish 311 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: reality in which everybody understands how bad of a guy 312 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is and it's just a matter of time 313 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: before we can derail him by making him look bad. 314 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: And it just simply doesn't work because Donald Trump a 315 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 1: is just simply not inclined to play along with that 316 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: type of thing, and b it's outside of reality anyway. 317 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: They are landing on the twenty percent positions in politics 318 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: because they just have to oppose Donald Trump and whatever 319 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: it is that Donald Trump says. They have to be 320 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: on the opposite side of Donald Trump at all times. 321 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 2: More with Ed Morrissey coming up, keep it here. 322 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 3: This is Tony Katz today continuing my conversation with Edmarsey 323 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 3: of hot air dot Com Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, 324 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 3: good to be with you regarding how the Democrats have 325 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 3: handled this whole redistricting conversation and how they find themselves 326 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 3: constantly on the wrong side of every single issue. Is 327 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 3: Ed Morrissey gets in to on the eighty twenty issues, 328 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 3: they're always less than the twenty percent, and. 329 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: It's put them in really bad political boxes to where 330 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 1: basically now they're open borders. You know, they don't want 331 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: to deport anybody, they don't want to keep anybody from 332 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: coming into the country. They want to have men in 333 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: women's locker rooms, men in women's sports. They simply can't 334 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 1: back off of these positions any longer. They don't have 335 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: a feedback loop. They have locked out. They've locked themselves 336 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: out from all the normal feedback loops because they're so 337 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: obsessed with Donald Trump that they can't see beyond Orange 338 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 1: Man Bad. And that's exactly what this is here in Texas. 339 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 3: Which is why I referred to it as the crying 340 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 3: I wasn't trying to, you know, engage hyperbole or make 341 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 3: a joke, although it may have been a laugh moment 342 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 3: for some, it really is pointing at the other guy 343 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 3: and saying they took what I want. 344 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 2: It is really down to this. 345 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 3: This this very very simplistic, low level type of response, 346 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 3: type of reaction. It's what happens when you don't have 347 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 3: another message that you can offer. Talking to Edmarssey off 348 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 3: hot air dot com, we should really discuss exactly. 349 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 2: How detrimental that is for all of us. 350 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 3: And I want to get into that. I don't know 351 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 3: if you've got the time I'm gonna I'm gonna keep 352 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 3: you around if you've got time. It's not like you 353 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 3: got anything else to do. Ed this is the greatest 354 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 3: moment to do of your. 355 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 2: Day's let's see christ moment of my life. Yeah, exactly. 356 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 2: Let me before I get there talk about the games. 357 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 3: For the Republicans, this whole idea of redistricting is a 358 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 3: very aggressive move. Never mind a legal move. It is 359 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 3: an aggressive move. This is a very Trump move. This 360 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 3: is the move that people who voted for Trump. These 361 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 3: are the kinds of things we wanted to see, not 362 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 3: the play by the quote unquote their rules of of 363 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 3: the Bill Crystal Conservative, which Bill Crystal clearly I guess 364 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 3: was never a servatives is what we've what we've learned. 365 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 3: But this is the this is how we fight to 366 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 3: win game. That's what we're seeing here. This is and 367 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 3: we should see it as an aggressive maneuver, a legal maneuver, 368 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 3: five maneuver. You're right, it's political, but it is an 369 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:16,719 Speaker 3: aggressive maneuver. 370 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 2: The winner seremoney is that you can get seats. 371 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 3: But maybe the greater the greater question is what is 372 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 3: the political backlash that could happen. What is the court 373 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 3: of public opinion say about these moves regarding redistricting, Well. 374 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: This is the reason why I think redistricting should always 375 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: be a political process, right, It's what it was meant 376 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: to be, because it means that politicians are going to 377 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: be held accountable for their actions, not independent commissions that 378 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:47,719 Speaker 1: operate without any accountability whatsoever except to whatever power establishment 379 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: that there is. And you could do the same thing 380 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: in Texas, right, and you could have Greg Gabatt and 381 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: Ken Paxton load it up with a bunch of you know, 382 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: you know, mega types if you want to call it that, 383 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: who will draw these districts to serve their power base 384 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: in perpetuity. They don't do that here. They have the 385 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: Texas Legislature do their job and actually have to cast 386 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 1: votes on something of substance so that voters can hold 387 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 1: them accountable. And so the downside to this is that 388 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: maybe voters in Texas don't like these new districts, maybe 389 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 1: they're angry over this, and as a result, the Texas 390 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: Legislature has to take some accountability for Republicans lose some 391 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,479 Speaker 1: of their edge here in Texas. It's possible. It's not 392 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 1: like there's no Democrats in Texas. There's a lot of them, 393 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: especially around Houston and Austin. 394 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 2: But you would argue, Bob will but not necessarily probable. 395 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, because look, I mean, it's hard to 396 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 1: gain something like that out. It depends on how the 397 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: districts are drawn, too. Just because they're saying that they're 398 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: going to get five new seats out of this, doesn't 399 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 1: mean that they're actually going to get five new you know, 400 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 1: US House seats, and they're going to have to deal 401 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 1: with the fallout from that in the Texas you know, 402 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 1: apportionment of state legislative seats too. So if you've got 403 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: people who who are moving districts and don't like it, 404 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna blame some It's like that line 405 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: from The Godfather. You know, you know, I'm gonna blame 406 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: some of the people around this table. They're gonna brand Tea. Well, 407 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 1: that was no, that was my laymag and now I 408 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: will not forgive right. That's that, and I will not 409 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: forgive right. 410 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 3: Your your impression seem like you're doing an impression of 411 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 3: Hunter Biden, doing an impression of Marlon Branda. 412 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 2: That's that was not your best work. 413 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: But it's not. 414 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 3: No, it is an interesting idea that there can be 415 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 3: some level of backlash here that the Republicans have to 416 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 3: deal with and they have to make the determination that 417 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:49,479 Speaker 3: it's it's worth it. 418 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 2: Talking to Ed. 419 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 3: Marcy of hot air dot com. Find his work over there, 420 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 3: follow him on the Twitter. Ex Ed Marscy, uh m 421 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 3: O R R I S S E Y. 422 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 2: There's two rs yep to ours two s's. I got 423 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 2: that right. I want to ask you a question about 424 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 2: the future. 425 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 3: And it is not for me to spend time worrying 426 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 3: about the future of the Democratic Party. 427 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 2: That I am not a Democrat. 428 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 3: I do worry about the future of the Republican Party, 429 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 3: being a conservative and Republicans. 430 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 2: Being more populous these days. 431 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 3: These are things that I do, indeed have have concerns with. 432 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,959 Speaker 3: But there is a worthy question here about where this 433 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 3: party is going. This Democratic Party is broken. Chuck Schumer 434 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 3: cannot lead. We were fully aware of this. Hakeem Jeffries 435 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 3: has proven in the House of Representatives, the congressman from 436 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 3: New York, that he cannot lead. My argument was months 437 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 3: ago that they have lacked and lost a wartime CONSIGLIERI. 438 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 3: They simply don't go back to Godfather references. They simply don't. 439 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 2: Know how to fight. 440 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 3: These guys are not Veno Carleone. These people are not 441 00:23:55,280 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 3: even Tom Hagen. They can't fight, and every thing they 442 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 3: grab onto is simply as you were describing Trump bad, 443 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 3: as opposed to here's a policy that's better for your kids, 444 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 3: for your life, for your business, for your. 445 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 2: Future, which I assume comes from being the. 446 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 3: Party of the university professor and not the party of 447 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 3: the working class. There have to be some actual Democrats 448 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 3: out there who have taken notice of this and are 449 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 3: working on this. Have you seen anything amongst any Democrats 450 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 3: that have shown you that there's a seriousness in trying 451 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 3: to be able to connect again with Americans on subjects 452 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:40,719 Speaker 3: that matter to Americans. 453 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: No, but I will tell you that I see him 454 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 1: in some of the affiliated groups. Right. There's a really 455 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: interesting article today in the Free Press about the United 456 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: Auto Workers. I don't know if you've had a chance 457 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: to read this. It's very good. The Free Press is 458 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: actually a really great platform. I highly recommend it to people. 459 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: That's very interesting. They have all sorts of different opinions 460 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: and so it's a good mix. So I recommend it 461 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 1: to friends across the political spectrum. I said, you're going 462 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: to find stuff you don't like and find and find 463 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 1: stuff you like, and that's the way it should be. 464 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: But this one article talks about this, and the United 465 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: Auto Workers had a serious decline in membership because of 466 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 1: the drop off on auto manufacturing the United States, and 467 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: of course a lot of this work shifted to the 468 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: South because of union contracts being somewhat corrosive. So about 469 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: fifteen years ago or so, twenty years ago or so, 470 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: they started bringing in other industries to the UAW in 471 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: order to bolster their political standing, which was fine, except 472 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: what they brought in was a bunch of white collar, 473 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: highly progressive work spaces that has really changed the character 474 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 1: of the UAW. And so the UAW went all in 475 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: on Biden and Harris. When most of the auto workers 476 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: in the United Autoworkers Union it turned out to be 477 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: more supportive of Trump. Their money is getting shifted into 478 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: these things and the UAW, this is the point of 479 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: the article. The UAW. The rank and file is getting 480 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: extremely unhappy with the UAW and is trying to force 481 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: some changes in that so it would be more responsive 482 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: to its core membership rather than to the progressive elite 483 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: that has managed to infiltrate the UAW and convert it 484 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 1: into a progressive activist group. I think that that's the 485 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: type of thing that you're going to have to see first, 486 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: is you're going to have to see these activist groups 487 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 1: get seriously challenged before you're going to see the progressive 488 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: elite establishment start to pay attention. 489 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 3: So you're making the argument of talking to Ed Marssy 490 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 3: of Howdair dot Com, of the difference between a thermometer 491 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 3: and a thermostat. The difference between the two things is 492 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 3: that a thermometer measure temperature and a thermostat changes temperature, 493 00:26:55,320 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 3: and regulaticians are thermometers. The people are the thermostat. The 494 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 3: more we talk about an issue, the more they respond 495 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 3: to an issue. That's all they do, measuring the temperature 496 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 3: we the people, and then responding to it. 497 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 2: So you're making the argument. 498 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 3: That the thermist at needs to change for the thermometers 499 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 3: the Democratic Party to change. My response to that is 500 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 3: the thermometers must all be broken, because don't they already 501 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 3: see that their party is this fractured thing of literally 502 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 3: communists and Islamist supporters in terms of those who support 503 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 3: Amas and hate Israel and push anti Semitism and this 504 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 3: vestige blue collar world that would still like to call 505 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 3: themselves Democrats, but they've made it impossible because they're the 506 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 3: party of elites in the university set in other places, 507 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 3: and they hate the blue collar folk. 508 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 2: They need a. 509 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 3: Wake up call from voters. They don't see it themselves. 510 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 3: How is that possible? 511 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: Oh, they see it. They just refuse to say the thermostat. 512 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: The thermometers aren't broken, as the thermostats that are broken, 513 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: they see the temperature rising, they just refuse to adjust 514 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: the thermostat. They just the thermist at won't adjust. Because 515 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: the people who are now in control of the Democrat 516 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: Party are not democrats. They are authoritarians. They want to 517 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: impose their will regardless of what people think about it. 518 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: They have a agenda that they want to impose by 519 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: any means necessary. Elections don't matter, and that's I mean, 520 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: this is a big lesson from twenty twenty four. 521 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 2: This is they've been trying to be. 522 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: And the reason why they're going after the reason why 523 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is going after the bureaucracy is because that 524 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: was the way that Democrats could ensure that elections didn't matter. 525 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: And the reason why they went after US eight is 526 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: because that was a funding feedback loop to the same 527 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: progressive groups that made sure that the bureaucrats were safe, 528 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: that made sure that Democrats can keep getting re elected, 529 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: and to ensure that elections really didn't matter because the 530 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: policies were never going to change, no matter what the 531 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: people wanted, Paul, We're never going to change. Well, Donald 532 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: Trump has disrupted all of that. And they're very angry 533 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: about this because now they're going to have to compete 534 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: and they don't want to do that. And that's one 535 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: of the reasons why you see the fleabaggers going out 536 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: of Texas again for the third time in twenty years 537 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: is because or twenty two years, i should say, because 538 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: they don't want to compete. They just want their way, 539 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: and they're used to getting their way. 540 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 3: And so you took it in a little bit of 541 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 3: a different direction, and I love the way you took it. 542 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 3: That their desire is elections don't matter because everything remains 543 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 3: the same, which has been our conversation of does the 544 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 3: institution exist to serve the citizenry or does the institution 545 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 3: exist for the sake of the institution existing? 546 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 2: Right, That's what. 547 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 3: We're discussing the other part of that in terms of 548 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 3: elections don't matter is that we go back to what 549 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 3: we've learned now from the release of information with Telsea Gabbard, 550 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 3: the release of the Dunham sorry, the Durham Annex, these things, 551 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 3: and the Democrats believe, when we win, you do what 552 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 3: we tell you and don't look at us, and when 553 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 3: they win, we will punish you the voter for not 554 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 3: voting the way we told you to vote. 555 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 2: That's that's what I. 556 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 3: Always think of when it's when it means elections don't matter, 557 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 3: because if you don't vote the way we want, we 558 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 3: will punish you by disrupting everything so you don't even 559 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 3: get your way to begin with. 560 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: That was you just played Beto O'Rourke right, yet, was 561 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: Beto O'Rourke's message. Donald Trump is a criminal? Donald Trump 562 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: is you know, Donald Trump is being a big meaning 563 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: and he's not doing what it is that we think 564 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: he should be doing. So therefore we're going to try 565 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: to deecap him. We're going to try to conduct lawfair 566 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: against him. That's what we've been doing for the last 567 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: several years. Well, now the shoe is on the other foot. 568 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: The lawfair is starting to go in the other direction. 569 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: They don't like that either, and they're claiming that now 570 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: it's an abuse of power to go after elected officials 571 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: for crimes. I mean, Adam Schiff is going to be 572 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: the next guy up on the on the block apparently. 573 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: I don't think that's actually going to go anywhere. The 574 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: mortgage fraud Ali Mashlins, but Partment of Justice in Maryland 575 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: right in Maryland and California, you can say both places, right, 576 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: because he's claiming homesteads in both places. I don't know 577 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: that that's going to go anywhere, because I suspect that 578 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: the Statute of Limitations probably is going to limit whatever 579 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: the Department of Justice can do there, because all this 580 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: stuff goes back several years. But they're claiming that now 581 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: it's retaliation to have some to have somebody, to have 582 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: an elected official investigated by the by an administration that's 583 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: controlled by the other party. Well, welcome to twenty twenty one, 584 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: welcome to twenty twenty two, twenty three, and twenty four. 585 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: I mean, Democrats created this model, and now they don't 586 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: want to play by it. Why because they don't think 587 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: that they shouldn't have to they're the elite, they're they're 588 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: the they have all the received wisdom, and we should 589 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,959 Speaker 1: just acknowledge that and do whatever the hell they tell 590 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: us to do. That's arrogance. That's what Bedoork is talking about. 591 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: That's what Adam Schiff is talking about. That's what the 592 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: people who are in uh in danger of being indicted 593 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: over the Russia Gate hoax are crying about too. Is that, Well, 594 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: wait a minute, we're we're we're the experts. We you know, 595 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: we just we just served our country and you're going 596 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: after us. Well, congratulations, that's the model you guys created. Explicitly, 597 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: you guys created, yes, and now you get a chance 598 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: to live by it. 599 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 2: Ed Morrissey neks to be you put an exclamation point 600 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 2: on this thing. Edmarrissey, hotair dot com. 601 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 3: I appreciate you being with us. More to get to 602 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 3: I'm Tony Katz