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Speaker 1: with us again. Later, one of our top scholars, Professor

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Speaker 1: ancient Egypt and momentarily leslie Vance will update us on

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Speaker 1: his fight to your race, but he terms a decade

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Speaker 1: all wrongful conviction. But first let's get Vin opened the

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Speaker 1: classroom doors this morning, Grand Rising, Kevin heel Man, twenty

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Speaker 3: Outside Girl on the ninth of December.

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Speaker 4: Of course it is December, what do you expect?

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Speaker 3: And so I'm going to bring this opening of the

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Speaker 3: Girl Nelson Show University. And it's being brought to you

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Speaker 3: by those little hand warmer packets that you can get.

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Speaker 3: I have some of those. Some guy was giving them

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Speaker 3: You shake it up, put it in your hands and

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Speaker 3: You, it's like a comfort, the strangest places that you

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Speaker 4: And meanwhile, how you feeling.

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Speaker 1: Carl, I'm still learning. I just learned something because you know,

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Speaker 1: when you were describing that, I was thinking about the opposite.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know there's an African proverb that says one

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Speaker 3: When you accept the situation for the way it is,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great, man, because it's gone. It's gonna be cold,

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Speaker 3: ABC News says the Powerball Brian, So, just a nine

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Speaker 3: I've always thought about that. The answer to do you

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Speaker 2: Would would you? Would you disappear?

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Speaker 4: And it would you say that?

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying that, you know, he he knew he

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Speaker 3: Makes it well, it goes down in history as a

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Speaker 1: By all right, twelveth of Tave. Our family is springing

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Speaker 1: Leslie for Leslie grand Rising. Welcome back to the program.

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Speaker 10: Grant ris until your car fact much more allowed me

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want you to start the story because well,

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Speaker 10: Oh my gonness, Grace is called. In nineteen seventy five,

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Speaker 10: I was seventeen years old, living in Baltimore, Maryland and

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Speaker 10: And I was being arrested, and I'm trying to explain

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Speaker 10: My mom's was very concise about respecting your authorities and

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Speaker 10: fast forward. But I was arrested and charged with arm

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Speaker 10: nineteen seventy five before a judge named James Parratt and

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Speaker 10: guilty based on the testimony of a part time delivery

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Speaker 10: time that I learned that derived we actually happened November second,

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Speaker 10: man claimed that three people assaulting him and ribbed him

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Speaker 10: for one hundred and twenty dollars when he was making

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Speaker 10: from where I actually lived at car You know, I

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Speaker 10: was initially classified in the massive security Maryland State ten

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Speaker 10: if you're familiar you remember what the Maryland State penituntry

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Speaker 10: was like or any reports of what that institution was back.

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Speaker 1: Well, hold that thought right there before you go into that.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's backtrack a little bit. Was there a robbery

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Speaker 10: Yeah, but you know, you gotta remember at that particular

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Speaker 10: point in time, during that era, a lot of juveniles

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Speaker 10: point in time. The state Attorney was a fellow by

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Speaker 10: the name of William Bill Switscher, and mister Swisher and

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Speaker 10: former Mayor William Donald Shaker were known for their tactics,

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Speaker 10: as we call it now, against in a city youths.

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Speaker 10: You know, just part time delivery job. I only worked

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Speaker 10: my glass bothers. I was in the South Bottom, which

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Speaker 10: is closer to my school.

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Speaker 1: Right well, Lessie hold, I thought, right there, we got

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Speaker 1: reach out to us at eight hundred four or five zero,

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Speaker 1: with us on this Tuesday morning. I guess it's Leslie

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Speaker 1: Vouss from Baltimore and he's attempting. It's been attempting to

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Speaker 1: Claire's name for decades old crime he says he didn't commit.

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Speaker 1: They claimed he did it when he was he was

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Speaker 1: the question because she said they accused you of robbing

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Speaker 10: No, No, I went into the store February fifteenth to

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Speaker 10: make a purchase. The I was charged. What happened was

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Speaker 10: the victim was supposed he had staw me and notified

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Speaker 10: was the person who robbed him three months prior to that,

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask another question. Leslie you were seventeen

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Speaker 10: I was six'. FOUR i played basketball For Southern High.

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Speaker 10: SCHOOL i was real. SPLENDOR i did not. WELL i

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Speaker 10: didn't look like no older. INDIVIDUAL i was a young.

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Speaker 6: Kid you.

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Speaker 10: Know My my original photograph that they took of me

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Speaker 10: has been flashed on the news and all. That it

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Speaker 10: THAT i look like a.

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Speaker 11: Kid you.

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Speaker 10: Know this person who actually misidentified me then, admitted AFTER

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Speaker 10: i had been confirmed for over nine, years that he

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Speaker 10: had made a. MISTAKE i learned the name of the

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Speaker 10: been sentenced. To, OKAY i provided a photograph WHEN i

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Speaker 10: learned of the person's name to The Public defender's. Office,

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Speaker 10: initially there was a new States attorney who had been

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Speaker 10: elected during the time THAT i was confined in The

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Speaker 10: Maryle house correstions by the name Of Kurt, smokes AND

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Speaker 10: i contacted him to advise, him acting him for help

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Speaker 10: with the. Situation because of him being newly Elected State's

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Speaker 10: receptive to what actually happened because this was a practice

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Speaker 10: in that. Era, OKAY i was listened to you when

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Speaker 10: you speaking about civil. Rights and my argument from then

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Speaker 10: until now is That i've been actually granted a full

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Speaker 10: out conditional pardon from the governor Of maryland in nineteen

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Speaker 10: eighty eighty. SIX i became the first example to reapproved

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Speaker 10: that they had been wrongfully convicted here in the state Of.

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Speaker 10: that has never been exposed or, destroyed like the court

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Speaker 10: orders were issued to the state to. DO i have

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Speaker 10: went to. Administrations WHEN i say, Administration i'm talking About, Shapers,

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Speaker 10: O'Malley's Glenn, dinnon's every administration from nineteen eighty six Until

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Speaker 10: president trying to get this matter. RESOLVED i have worked

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Speaker 10: with the numerous state agencies and. Employment but Still i'm

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Speaker 10: labeled with this wrongful conviction case that the state has never.

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Speaker 2: Expanded what does it take to expund?

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Speaker 12: You what is?

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Speaker 10: NEEDED i don't know what ELSE i could. Do i've

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Speaker 10: and everything That i've, Done i've always been told that

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Speaker 10: the expungements have been. Done but yet instead each TIME

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Speaker 10: scan which is the equivalent to a background check here

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Speaker 10: In maryland in twenty, twenty, Right i'm thinking THAT i

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Speaker 10: such a horrenderous situation that took from me time THAT

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Speaker 10: i could never get. Back, uh the opportunities THAT i

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Speaker 10: Adulthood you, know for the ten years THAT i actually

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Speaker 10: still this criminal conviction continued to come. Up it came

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Speaker 10: up when they did the background check from Out. CALIFORNIA

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Speaker 10: i contacted the state governor and the treasure the controller

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Speaker 10: hogan left. Office When Governor hogan left office without resolving my,

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Speaker 10: matter it passed on to Now Governor Wes. MOORE i

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Speaker 10: have actually went To annapolis attempted to present my case to,

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Speaker 10: Then so my situation is totally different from others who

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Speaker 10: Exonerated but my situation is one THAT i wish no

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Speaker 10: has went on from age of. Seventeen i'm sixty eight

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 10: OKAY i actually was hired By Catholic charities as the

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Speaker 10: And transpard where they're have and on the controversy and

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Speaker 10: all that. ABOUT i retired from that, position but BEFORE

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Speaker 10: That i've been arguing about was brought up was actually

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Speaker 2: Right, hold that's all right.

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Speaker 1: Now thirty minutes after To Leslie mark In baltimore has

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Speaker 1: a question for each online to Grant Rising market on

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Speaker 1: With Leslie.

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Speaker 11: Beforehand Jewish holiday Of, Ponica the eight Day jewish festival

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Speaker 11: starts this Coming sunday night with the first light at

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Speaker 11: Sunset december to, fourteen goes Through monday during the, Day

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Speaker 11: december twenty, second this.

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Speaker 10: Year good.

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Speaker 11: Morning my question is is there's some sort of all

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Speaker 11: this exponement requests and all they've been talking about takes,

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Speaker 11: money and have you finished have you established a one

447
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Speaker 11: that we could contribute, to BECAUSE i know it gets

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Speaker 11: more expensive court, course attorney filing fees and the like

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Speaker 11: and of all these efforts to public officials and all.

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Speaker 11: That so is there a pestific could send the donations

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Speaker 11: to anything like? That or what have you done? Financially

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Speaker 11: it's for financial? Help thank?

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Speaker 10: You on my on my, website on my Website leslie

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Speaker 10: das vas dot. Com, uh there is a it's a

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Speaker 10: my cash app Information AND i haven't put up venmo,

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Speaker 10: yet But i've Done i've been doing all this by,

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Speaker 10: myself SO i have, to you, know navigate this to

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Speaker 10: set up the donation. PART i haven't even did that

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Speaker 10: Because i've been so focused on jobs to adjustice With

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Speaker 10: governor West more or none That i've. Been that's Where i've.

461
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 10: Been i've been constantly working towards. That BUT i will

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Speaker 10: THANK i really appreciate you bringing that up because someone

463
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 10: told ME i need to push something like that, up

464
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Speaker 10: AND i will do that definitely this, week.

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Speaker 1: All, right and thank you for sharing, that and thank

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Speaker 1: you for your. Call mark the question of tweeted just

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Speaker 1: twisting this and twenty eight minutes away from the time tweeted,

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Speaker 1: said how many more black people do you think are

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Speaker 1: affected by this?

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Speaker 2: Negligence how?

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Speaker 10: Many it's really how CAN i put? IT i don't

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Speaker 10: believe that we can act and go back in and

473
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 10: resolved just with just. Words many people do not know

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Speaker 10: how to adjust this issue of when they have.

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Speaker 1: INFORMATION i, thought, right, then, listen let me let me

476
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Speaker 1: put the tweeters up request in a different. Way have

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Speaker 1: you heard from any person who or persons who had

478
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Speaker 1: suffered the same situation have been the same situation that

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Speaker 1: you have been.

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Speaker 5: In.

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Speaker 10: No And i've met worked With xanderies In New, Orleans, California,

482
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Speaker 10: atlanta you, know you Know, maryland All. Xanderies. Nobody i've

483
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 10: never heard any other exenrey who's ever went through this

484
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 10: situation That i've went. Through after being it, HONORATED i

485
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 10: have a full unconditional pardon from the governor in eight

486
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 10: and eighty. SIX i have four separate expungement orders over

487
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 10: the years from nineteen eighty six all the way up

488
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 10: to nineteen ninety, eight and every one of them claimed

489
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 10: that they had expunged these, records and still public states

490
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Speaker 10: being corrected serves the same agency that the state was

491
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 10: ordered to remove the records has not done. It and

492
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 10: then WHEN i proved that they that they did not do,

493
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 10: this are they ignored because it's only me that's making

494
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 10: these Complaints when it's just one, person you, know and

495
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 10: it's affecting others that are not complaining about it or addressing.

496
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 10: It THEN i FOUND i sound like the lone wolf.

497
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 10: Crime but all my documentation and paperwork shows that this

498
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 10: hasn't been hasn't been. Done the part that bothers me

499
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 10: is that this impact not just, myself but it also

500
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Speaker 10: impacted my, family my. CHILDREN i WAS custolei you parents

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Speaker 10: to four small. Children in the year of four WHEN

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Speaker 10: i was hues for being involved in a. STABBING i

503
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Speaker 10: was working for The state Of maryland as an EMPLOYMENTS

504
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Speaker 10: fuss for The department Of, Labor life Of. REGULATIONS i

505
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 10: was out in the community winning awards and accommodations for other,

506
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 10: agencies helping people get. Employed and here it is when

507
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 10: they brought this took me about, IT i voluntarily surrendered

508
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 10: myself to have the matter, resolved and then the come

509
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 10: the records came up and they held me a year without.

510
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 10: Bail and it's when they did that my, children my

511
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 10: four minor children ages, four, seven, twelve and thirteen were

512
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 10: placed in state foster. Care never been away from me,

513
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 10: before never had had to be impacted by. This that's

514
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 10: something THAT i better burn, behind because my kids were

515
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 10: placed in foster care in the state Of, maryland then

516
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 10: refused AFTER i was Sent i'm not guilty of the.

517
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 10: CHARGERS a year, LATER i petitioned the court to get

518
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 10: my children back and they claimed THAT i was an

519
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 10: habitual criminal and you use the same wrongful conviction records

520
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Speaker 10: that The states said that they expanded to use to

521
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 10: further impact me and my. Children it took me four

522
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 10: years after being found not guilty to get my children

523
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 10: back out of the. SYSTEM i couldn't understand. THAT i

524
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 10: went to two different agencies In maryland legal. AID i

525
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Speaker 10: went to THE aclu and other organizations that was involved

526
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Speaker 10: in civil, rights and everyone telling, me y ask mis,

527
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Speaker 10: advisor is really horrendous that they did, this that they

528
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Speaker 10: keep doing, this they haven't done their and so. Forth

529
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 10: but none of them assisted, me, understand and none of

530
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Speaker 10: them have assisted. Me now, Presently i'm working with The

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Speaker 10: Kay Gibson Law school At baltimore and they are looking

532
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 10: at the situation and they're saying that maybe they can't

533
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 10: believe that the state actually you have did something such as,

534
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 10: this and everybody's talking about now you need to file

535
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Speaker 10: stimle law sooner and all, that but it doesn't change

536
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 10: the fact of this something that has impacted myself and

537
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 10: my children for.

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Speaker 1: That, Well, leslie WHAT i thought right, There we gotta

539
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: check the, news, weather in sports in our different cities

540
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: and we come back and let you finish your thought

541
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: On thomas In. Baltimore want you to speak with The israel.

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00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: Family YouTube can join our conversation In leslie vas you

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00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: heard his, story reach out to us at eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and four five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll

545
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Speaker 1: take your phone calls after the news that's next and

546
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Speaker 1: Ground rising family. Here thanks for waking up with us

547
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: on This tuesday. MORNING i guess It's Leslie. Vos you've

548
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: heard his. STORY i hope you've heard his story. Before

549
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: he told us that he's been convicted or wrong for

550
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: conviction when he's a teenager In baltimore accused of robbing

551
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: a drug.

552
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: Store so what are your?

553
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: Thoughts and he's been trying to, fighting fighting to get

554
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: a pardon ever. Since before we go back to let

555
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: me remind. You coming up later this, morning we're gonna

556
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Speaker 1: hear from one of our top, Scholars Professor Main who

557
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: And pim those of you who still believe in The

558
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: Willy lynch. Story he was the one who decoded The

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Speaker 1: Williy lynch was a. Fraud but that's not what he's

560
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Speaker 1: going to talk about this. Morning, also before we get with,

561
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Speaker 1: him we're going to speak With we're gonna speak With

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Speaker 1: la Based kwanza researcher that would be Brother akil that's

563
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Speaker 1: going to link At quanta to Ancient. Egypt late this,

564
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Speaker 1: week you get here from civil rights Activists Willie. Rix

565
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: Willie Rix march with Doctor king And John Lewis uh

566
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Speaker 1: he was part Of snake with with who else was?

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Speaker 1: There A Kwame terray Also uh mayor of D C Marion.

568
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Speaker 1: Barry and also here From Sister Pam. Africa she's going

569
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Speaker 1: to report on Recent march For Abu jamal also realistic

570
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Speaker 1: doctor and medical. Doctor she's both doctor a is going

571
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Speaker 1: to be with, us and one Of malcolm's, daughters his third,

572
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: daughter Doctor Yasha, shabbas.

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Speaker 2: Will be with us as.

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Speaker 1: Well if you are In, baltimore make sure you keep

575
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Speaker 1: your radio lountin tight on ten TEN wlb or if

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Speaker 1: you're in THE dmv around fourteen fifteen w ol So.

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00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: Lessen i'm gonna let you finish your. Story then we

578
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: got some folks who want to speak with.

579
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 12: You, yes.

580
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: So let me ask you.

581
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: This have you had anyone to champion in like like your,

582
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: representatives whether it be state city, representators say, hey you

583
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: know what they. Do usually they assigned someone in their

584
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: office to these particular, cases are your congress, person and

585
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: they run with, it they take it all the.

586
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 2: Way have you reached out on the political level like that, Yet.

587
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 10: YES i. HAVE i had a real strong advocate club

588
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 10: me Named Jill carter who picked my cars up in

589
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 10: twenty twenty WHEN i came From california back here To,

590
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 10: baltimore and she was involved in it and had a,

591
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 10: meeting a zoom meeting with all with the executive state,

592
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 10: government The governor's, office The treasurer's, office The controller's, office

593
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 10: The General council for The state Of, maryland The board

594
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 10: Of Public books representative and all all of us were

595
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 10: on a zoom meeting and it was determined then that

596
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 10: The Attorney, general who Represent Public safety And Correctional, services

597
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 10: somehow illegally had gotten a expungement done in ninety. Eight

598
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 10: but we found out that the exponement really had not been.

599
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 10: Done and once that, happened when we was on the zoom,

600
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 10: meeting everybody start turning off cameras and. Stuff you. Know

601
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 10: when the last TIME i spoke With Jill, CARTER i

602
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 10: was At Union Baptist church for an event for The

603
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 10: Associated Black Charities, Association and WHEN i talked with, her

604
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 10: she explained to me that she was going forward with

605
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 10: my case and. Everything and then the next WEEK i

606
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 10: heard that she asked me was retiring from The senator

607
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 10: and becoming a member Of westmore's. Administration so that put

608
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 10: me in. Limbo, now SO i have no, representative, right you,

609
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 10: KNOW i was REALLY i was really traumatized by that

610
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 10: BECAUSE i had a lot of respect and trust And

611
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 10: jills and she knew from all the all the paperwork

612
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 10: and everything THAT i had given to, her and we

613
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 10: had discussed what was going on with my, case you,

614
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 10: know and it, really it really was a setback for

615
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 10: me when THE uh stepped away AND wuk With westmore's.

616
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 10: Administration But i'm thinking that because of this being an

617
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 10: incident of a civil rights violence and to this, degree

618
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 10: that that would be something That Wes moore would automatically

619
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 10: want to resolve and look at so that no other

620
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 10: person would have to be subjected to this type of

621
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 10: treatment once it's been proven someone has been factually.

622
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 11: INNOCENT i cannot let me.

623
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Speaker 1: Jump in here for a, second, though because we've got

624
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: some folks who want to talk to, You, leslie and

625
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: they can help you better than we can right right.

626
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: Now but if you just, quickly have you even thought

627
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: about calling people Like Ben crumpet to get involved in,

628
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: this because you know what we're talking about now and

629
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: they figured out there you a.

630
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 10: Lot of month looking WHEN i was In, Tampa, florida

631
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Speaker 10: so uh, Huh. CARL i met mister cut WHEN i

632
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 10: was In, Tampa. Florida. Uh he said my case was

633
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 10: too old at the. TIME i believe in All enstreet

634
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 10: that it was a conflict because of my problem THAT

635
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 10: i had with a well known attorney Name William murphy

636
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 10: here In, baltimore who held my case for two and

637
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 10: a half years and never did anything with, it and

638
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 10: then sent me a letter saying that he didn't accept

639
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 10: cases like. This but for two and a half, YEARS

640
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 10: i have emails and conversations and videos and all this

641
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 10: stuff between him AND i about my, case and then

642
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 10: suddenly he decided that he didn't handle cases such as.

643
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 10: That so you gotta look at the dynamics of my.

644
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 10: CASE i have a lot of individuals who have strong

645
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 10: associations here In, baltimore but their history is not what

646
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 10: it was what people think it, is you, know and

647
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 10: those very same individuals that say they represent us as

648
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 10: people they selected when they do. That SO i, mean

649
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 10: AND i don't, mean And i'm not angry or anything about,

650
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 10: it BECAUSE i learned that's how it. Is i've been

651
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 10: involved with this thing from the age of seventeen to sixty.

652
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 10: Eight i've met a lot of individuals over the. Years

653
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 10: i've left, here went To, Tampa, florida WHERE i stayed

654
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 10: there at a program called The Sunny. CENTER i went To.

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Speaker 10: GALWAY i was scheduled to go To Galway island with

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Speaker 10: the people who actually started the, program and Then Tampa

657
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Speaker 10: florida day was supposed to help. Me everybody talk about

658
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 10: what they're going to, do but nobody does what they

659
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 10: say they're going to. Do they used the case as

660
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 10: a means to move, forward but in their political, careers

661
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 10: And i'll be stuck dealing with the circumstances of this

662
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 10: case right whole.

663
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: Though right there that, mekesure we got some folks want

664
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Speaker 1: to talk to. You it's standing to erase the clock

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Speaker 1: here nine away from The thomas has been waiting is online.

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00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: Two he's In. Baltimore, thomas you're on With Lezi. Vos

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Speaker 1: your question or your comment for?

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Speaker 13: Him, Yes grandmarzes to my dear brother's. House everybody this,

669
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Speaker 13: morning BLUs. Listen let me say this, man you have

670
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 13: you of all, people you say you're not, angry But

671
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 13: i'm angry for, you, brother because these all these people

672
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 13: that you, called you said that that was supposed to

673
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 13: been reaching out to help. You that's what they've been

674
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 13: doing to the city Of baltimore and people In baltimore

675
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 13: this whole. Time they start a project with us and

676
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 13: then they. Disappear some of them get in political offices

677
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,240
Speaker 13: and they have never finished a term in any political.

678
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 13: Office that they have ever gotten, into and that's Including

679
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 13: Jill carter. Guys but, man let me say this to, You,

680
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Speaker 13: okay in order for you to get some more traction

681
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 13: on your, Case i'm just going to give you this,

682
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 13: suggestion because they worked for several people THAT i. Know

683
00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 13: file a lean against their. Bonds. Okay the safe attorney

684
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 13: is bonded and. Licensed these people did you, wrong, Man

685
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 13: you filed a lean against their, bond AND i guarantee

686
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 13: you the insurance company is going to want this.

687
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 10: Solve, okay all, right have.

688
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 13: Anybody have anybody ever suggested that to you before against people's.

689
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 10: Bond nobody's ever suggested that to.

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00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 13: Me to try? It get talk to. You there's a

691
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 13: law firm that you're working.

692
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Speaker 4: With.

693
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 13: Now lawyers don't like seeing. LAWYERS i understand, That so

694
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 13: you may have to go an unconventional route with. This

695
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 13: but if you follow lean against their, Bonds i'll guarantee

696
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 13: you somebody's gonna give you some. Response and if The

697
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 13: state Of maryland is responsible for doing you, wrong follow

698
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 13: a lean against The state Of maryland's. Bonds The state

699
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 13: Of maryland does have a.

700
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Speaker 10: Bond you. KNOW i tried to do that once. Before

701
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 10: when when When shafer was in, office then they see

702
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 10: the state guaranteed me certain things up under my compensation

703
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 10: statue statues and that they never provided me with back

704
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 10: then in nineteen eighty, seven AND i tried to file

705
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 10: a complaint against the state and it was it was

706
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 10: dismissed by the, state you, understand AND i was cycled a.

707
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 10: Complaint you, follow complaint against. Them, Well i'm, saying foul

708
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 10: a lean against their, bonds which means who's ever ensuring

709
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 10: them is going to have to answer to you to

710
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Speaker 10: make this?

711
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: Right, okay all, Right, thomas thanks for. Advice so THAT

712
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: i mentioned were racing the clock here' stix away from

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Speaker 1: the top of ms v's also In, baltimore has a

714
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Speaker 1: suggestion for is she's online three grand Rising miss V v.

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Speaker 5: And Brother.

716
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Speaker 6: Leslie i'm so sorry that you have to go through this.

717
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 6: Mess but what's the brother that just called in and

718
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 6: told you absolutely, Correct you've got to go. Further don't give.

719
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 6: UP i know it's a lot BECAUSE i went through

720
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 6: it years ago and then in the eighties with the

721
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 6: police brutality. Case and one THING i found out about

722
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 6: the police department In maryland is one they do. Wrong

723
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 6: they all stick. Together and THEN i went up against

724
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 6: lawyers who didn't want to take the, case And William

725
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 6: murphy was one of, them and he is a criminal.

726
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 6: Lawyer so they basically have been bought and. Sold and

727
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 6: that was the sad fact THAT i. Learned don't you give. Up,

728
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 6: ALSO i want you to Call Al. Sharpton he is

729
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 6: with The National Action, network and you explain to him

730
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 6: what you just explained to. Us he's going to look into.

731
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Speaker 6: It he will look into it because he's the last

732
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Speaker 6: of the founding fathers of the great people who used to,

733
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Speaker 6: march and he doesn't believe and injustice's guns to. PEOPLE

734
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Speaker 6: i don't care what they went. Through. NOW i have

735
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 6: an uncle who was wrongly accused of murdering a young

736
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 6: girl when he was in his, forties and for some

737
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 6: reason he did twenty. YEARS i don't know what they,

738
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 6: found but he kept SAYING i was. INNOCENT i was

739
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 6: In so he got hold of a network called The Angel.

740
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Speaker 6: Network they looked into his. Case they found out that

741
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 6: he did not permit the climate was a young guy

742
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Speaker 6: that she was seeing who stabbed her, up but she

743
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 6: was seeing this older, guy which was, him and they

744
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 6: blamed it on. Him so you got to see if

745
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 6: you can find this angel network that works through the penal.

746
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Speaker 6: SYSTEM i don't know.

747
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Speaker 5: Much about.

748
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Speaker 6: It i'm gonna ask my cousins to give me more.

749
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Speaker 6: INFORMATION i don't want to give my number over the,

750
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 6: airways But i'll tell.

751
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 2: You, what Miss.

752
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: Z we got to step aside and get caught up

753
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: in the traffic weather in different. Cities we'll put you on.

754
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: Hold you can give you. Information kevin will take information and.

755
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 5: Passed on To rogers because right, trying because you and.

756
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,439
Speaker 1: You're not the only one who's feeling the way people

757
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: listen to his story this morning and their and their,

758
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: pigs let me put that, way they ticked, off as you.

759
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 12: Say bad because.

760
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 5: Negligent, yeah and it.

761
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:35,959
Speaker 2: Seems to happen more than. Once but holy.

762
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: Thought hold that thought, there Miss. Ze we gotta take

763
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: the trafficking. WITHINS i mentioned not. Different citizen is three

764
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Speaker 1: minutes away from the top of our. Family you want

765
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 1: to join this conversation with that guest Leslie. Vo she

766
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: heard her. Story reach out to us at eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and four or five zero seventy eight seventy, six and

768
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Speaker 1: we take a phone calls after the traffic and. Weather

769
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: that's next and Grand rising. Family thanks are waking up

770
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: with us on This tuesday. MORNING i guess it's Listening

771
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: fosh his story if you're just waking. Up though his

772
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: story was a teen he was wrongly convicted of a

773
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: robbery In, baltimore and he's been trying to get it.

774
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 1: Exponentially said they took it off the, records but they're

775
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: still there every time you.

776
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 2: Go it's a.

777
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: Roadblock but more intriguing was the fact they took away his.

778
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 1: CHILDREN i think that's what heard a lot of folks

779
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: from your minded children were taken, care taken away from,

780
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 1: you put in foster. Care that's that's a big. ISSUE

781
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: i can ask, you what do your children? Say?

782
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 2: Now do you do you have a relationship with?

783
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 10: Them, LESLIE i have a relationship with my. Children one

784
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 10: of THEM i don't have relationship, with and that is

785
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 10: the one that had actually won The Buran Casson award

786
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 10: as the highest academic child In Baltimore city before she

787
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 10: was placed In Fate thought the. Care during the course

788
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,439
Speaker 10: of my trial in two thousand and, five they brought

789
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 10: her in to testify at my, trial and she was

790
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 10: so medicated to the point that she couldn't even keep

791
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 10: her head.

792
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 12: UP i.

793
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 10: Did the judge at the time and my, trial and

794
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 10: that trial in two thousand and five actually stopped the

795
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:16,240
Speaker 10: trial and act her as she's been on medication prior

796
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 10: to this. Patten she told them, though they actually asked

797
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 10: her whether or not she had ever been away from

798
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 10: me and why would She what was the league then

799
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 10: that they would keep up medicating and they she said

800
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 10: that because they said she, was she wouldn't conform to

801
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 10: what they wanted her to. Do it's you, KNOW i

802
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 10: go through a. Lot that's the hurt THAT i cried

803
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 10: about that they're now, grown they have children of their. Owns,

804
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 10: now you, KNOW i have not had the opportunity to

805
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 10: have a relationship with my daughter and my grandchildren that

806
00:48:54,360 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 10: she has because of that dysfunctional situation that. Happened and it.

807
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 10: Hurts it truly hurts. Me and that's WHY i continue to,

808
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 10: fight BECAUSE i fight for. THEM i fight for what

809
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 10: was taken from me that was placed on, them something

810
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 10: THAT i had no role in WHEN i was a

811
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 10: teenager at the age of seventeen back in nineteen seventy.

812
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 10: Five you, know this is a situation THAT i wish

813
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 10: upon no. One and WHEN i say THAT i can't be,

814
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 10: ANGRY i can't have anger and then expect to be

815
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 10: successful and proven that what's been done to. Us because

816
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 10: anger is not going to solve what needs to be.

817
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 10: Done the people that have the power to do it

818
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 10: are ignoring it Because i'm fighting by. Myself IF i

819
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 10: had someone that was promoting me and helping, me such

820
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 10: as other as enemies have, had it would be. Different

821
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 10: because nowhere in The United states THAT i know, of

822
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 10: is there Any Exana reed who has ever had to

823
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 10: continuous B b labels extra thunder because of the same wrongful.

824
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 10: Conviction the state said that you were. Innocent, uh that's

825
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 10: got a backwards.

826
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: Yeah and let me SHARE's another note we have for

827
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: one of our truck drivers and shout out to our truck.

828
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: Drives you have a bunch of. Drivers centis talk trucks

829
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: early in the morning and listening to. Us, uh and he,

830
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: says have you tried The Innocence? Project they work with it.

831
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 10: With i'm involved with The Endocent. Project in, Fact i'm

832
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 10: a both person for The Edison project because The Edocent,

833
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 10: project by second of started that when they was Done

834
00:50:53,360 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 10: Northwestern university up THEN uh In. CHICAGO i met a

835
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 10: man Named Rob warden who was the leading professor at

836
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 10: that time up, there and he introduced me To barring

837
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 10: them before they started The Innocent project in twenty. Eighteen

838
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 10: barrie talked about my case at The Innocent network conference

839
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 10: And mephists tendenceee when we did the major walkdown there

840
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 10: from The Civil Rights museum Where Martin Luther king was classinated.

841
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 10: AT i had videos that's on my web page and

842
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 10: everything storm What i've experienced and and you, KNOW i

843
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 10: went back and looked at, this and to be honest with,

844
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 10: YOU i was. NOT i was really surprised of all

845
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 10: the things That i've actually had the opportunity to be part,

846
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 10: of and all the, While i'm still dealing with this

847
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 10: wrongful conviction for something THAT i had no knowledge of

848
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 10: or participation and WHEN i was a kid is and

849
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 10: And i'm a singer, now uh And i'm AND i

850
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 10: just it's so crazy That i'm still dealing.

851
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: With this after we were telling me because we got

852
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: brother A kilon think we got to get to, Him

853
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: mom And. Charlie but let me ask, you, Though let's

854
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: see what keeps you going? Though because you, know many people,

855
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: say you, Know i'm sixties now and you Know i'm

856
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: looking at the back, end so you know which it's

857
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: just taking a major chunk out of my.

858
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 2: Life why DO i keep? Fighting?

859
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 13: What?

860
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 2: Uh?

861
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 10: HUH i can't do nothing, else, MAN i HAVE i

862
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 10: have to IF i IF i, STOP i believe the

863
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 10: ne's gonna be the end of. Me you UNDERSTAND i

864
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 10: can't give up. Now, man this's been going on JUST

865
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 10: i was a. Kid this Ain't this is not something

866
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 10: THAT i. Take like, ME i think about the dysfunctionalism

867
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 10: of this whole situation and what it has made of

868
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 10: my whole. Life, man enough and without any without any

869
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 10: participation to. Us And i'm not seeking. Sympathy i'm just

870
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 10: for people understand that this is how messed up the

871
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 10: system is towards people's such is up that have that

872
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 10: that if you innocent and they say you, innocent then

873
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 10: how can you still label me as a? Criminal you're

874
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 10: making me a slave to the.

875
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 1: System, yeah but you, know you know, what lest let

876
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: me because you don't seem to have any anger for

877
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: the folks who let you.

878
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 10: Down so and what good would it?

879
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 13: Do?

880
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:44,399
Speaker 2: Yeah?

881
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 10: True, WELL i mean what good would it. DO i,

882
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 10: MEAN i. CAN i can speak about a whole bunch

883
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,439
Speaker 10: of different people THAT i have met SINCE i came,

884
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 10: home that have that had done and said a lot

885
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,959
Speaker 10: of things that didn't do, anything but use my case

886
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 10: doesnt means for them to move forward in their careers and.

887
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 10: Stuff Judge Robert bell was the judge that granted me

888
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 10: my court release in the state Of. Miland he became

889
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 10: the highest judge of the highest appellate judge in the

890
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,720
Speaker 10: state Of. Maland this man was the one that granted

891
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 10: me my court release when it was proven THAT i

892
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 10: had been wrong being prisoned at the age of. Seventeen

893
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 10: just imagine that man going into The Maryland State penitentiary

894
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 10: as a kid with no understanding of what prison, is

895
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 10: and then having to grow up in that environment and

896
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 10: then being thrown back into society with no kind of

897
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 10: supportive services, whatsoever and a dysfunctional family situation that transferred

898
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 10: because of your wrongful. Conviction my whole family has died. Off.

899
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 10: MAN i have no one but, Me that's ALL i.

900
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 10: Have You WHAT i can do to fight for those

901
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 10: THAT i have produced and that on my baby they now.

902
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 2: Wrong but we're just out of.

903
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 6: Time, Here.

904
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 2: Lestie but let let me say, this how can we

905
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 2: help you because of?

906
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 4: This how can?

907
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,760
Speaker 2: They how can we support? You how can weach?

908
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 10: You get me before this governance for this man can

909
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 10: know what's to be. DONE i believe, THAT i believe

910
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 10: in my heart That Wes moore is familiar with my

911
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 10: case Because Brooke luhman was involved with my attorney back

912
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 10: in nineteen ninety, eight AND i know she told me

913
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 10: she's displayed to them about my. Case but but it's

914
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 10: a channel that they have to go through for me

915
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 10: to get to the. Governor And i'm trying to, say

916
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 10: if it's a civil rights, violation then there's no statue

917
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,919
Speaker 10: or limitation towards. You people have been doing me wrong

918
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 10: ever SINCE i was seventh. Things The state Of maryland

919
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:12,399
Speaker 10: has never done me. CORRECT i. COULD i don't care

920
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 10: how much money they say They they awarded me a

921
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 10: quarter of a million dollars in nineteen eighty, seven payable

922
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 10: and monthly payments for seven. YEARS i got a check

923
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 10: like a social service. Check you, UNDERSTAND i had no

924
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 10: understanding of how to spend, money or manage money or.

925
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 10: NOTHING i was thrown out here with no understanding of.

926
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 10: Life Then i'll ended up being homeless and had to

927
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 10: go through that to try to get myself. TOGETHER i

928
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 10: got My bastard's degree in, SOCIOLOGY i got my certifications

929
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 10: as a. PARALEGAL i started. WORKING i had to go

930
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 10: out and fight to get, jobs and then WHEN i

931
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 10: got them because of these wrongful confiscent, cases just. Exponiment

932
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 10: because not being, done things come. UP i ended up

933
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 10: using the dog Or i'll go back to the state

934
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 10: and their top And LESLIE i feel and what they

935
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 10: thought about. It they give it to me a documentary

936
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 10: and let Us.

937
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: I'll tell you What leslie and hold on a set

938
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: Because kevin wants to speak with. It so we're going

939
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 1: to put you on hold so so again and Give

940
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: kevin the information how folks can can reach you if

941
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: you've got a website or go fund me or something like,

942
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: that And kevin will pass it on to. Us but

943
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: don't hang up because we've got to move on to

944
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: our next guess he's been holding for a. While thank,

945
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: you thank. You, hey, listen, listen don't give, up don't give.

946
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: Up stay on hold all, right eleven at the top,

947
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: there let's go out to l a Brother keels waiting for,

948
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: Us Grand, Rising Brother, keil thank you for being so

949
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: patient with us this.

950
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 5: Morning Grand. Rising how you doing, There.

951
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 2: Carl i'm still, learning, Man i'm still learning from something every.

952
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 5: Day. Brother if we live or as we, live we

953
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 5: will continue to.

954
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: LEARN i know you've got some information you want to

955
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: drop on us this morning that we learned about. Kwanzas

956
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: so let's go.

957
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 5: Number. One we all we've heard Of, kwansa but we

958
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 5: didn't really understand who was taking, place including everybody who

959
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 5: was involved with Bringing kwanza into. Existence, one we didn't

960
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 5: know That kwanza. BEGAN i take it all the way

961
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 5: back To. Malcolm let me begin and say. This in

962
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 5: nineteen sixty, three a brother Named Arthur Joseph graham formed the.

963
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 5: Organization it was called The Black Student. Council that was

964
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:01,439
Speaker 5: the name of the. Organization and this was at Cal

965
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 5: State San, Diego september nineteen sixty. THREE a lot of

966
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 5: things happened that, year those of us who were around

967
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 5: at that. TIME jfk was killed In november twenty. Second

968
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 5: malcolm ended up saying that chickens coming home to. Roost

969
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 5: that was a statement that caused him to be suspended

970
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 5: by The nation Of islam leader The Honorabil Elijah. Muhammad

971
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 5: that Started malcolm on a new. Road he ended up

972
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 5: going to on his, journey he went To, ghana he

973
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 5: went To, nigeria he went To, egypt he went To.

974
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 5: Ethiopia he went To Saudi. Arabia he saw a lot of.

975
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 5: Things And ethiopia he saw In Addis. Ababa he saw.

976
00:59:53,120 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 5: This at the time nineteen sixty, four he had witnessed

977
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 5: this new organization called The organization Of African. Unity that

978
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 5: really impressed. Him it impressed him to the point That

979
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 5: malcolm said when he got back he was going to

980
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 5: start something like that when he got. Home when he

981
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 5: gets Home November, november excuse. Me may twenty, first nineteen sixty.

982
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 5: Four he arrives In New York. City he writes a

983
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 5: letter inviting other people to come To New York City

984
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 5: june twenty fourth through the twenty eighth as he launched

985
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 5: The organization Of Afro American. Unity and he, said if

986
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 5: y'all can, come come. On one of the people that

987
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 5: Received malcolm's letter of invitation Was Arthur. Graham arthur In San.

988
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 5: Diego he Was i'm sure he must have been surprised

989
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 5: to here you is a brand new organization just started

990
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 5: In september of nineteen sixty, three and he gets a

991
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 5: letter From malcolm that must be like, wow it must

992
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 5: have really floored.

993
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 6: Him.

994
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 5: Well malcolm impressed Upon art in the following. Manner art

995
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 5: wanted to put together a, document a snake of statement

996
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 5: that was going to be contributing to the formation of

997
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 5: The organization Of Afro American. Unity he wrote a document

998
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 5: that he entitled The Seven. Principles art arranged for The

999
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 5: Black Student council to have a delegate to present The

1000
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 5: Seven principles at this EIGHT u inaugural. Meeting the person's

1001
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 5: name Was josh Von. WOOLFOLK i would later find out

1002
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 5: out just this Year kwanza in here In La Jackie,

1003
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 5: ryan who formerly Ran Zambizi, bazaar who was From San.

1004
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 5: Diego WHEN i had mentioned to her About josh Von

1005
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 5: wolfolk presenting The Seven, principles she jumped and, said This

1006
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 5: josh Von, wolfolk he was known for making dynamic. Presentations

1007
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 5: that explained to me Why art had Chosen josh to

1008
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 5: go To New york and make this presentation.

1009
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 13: Can.

1010
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: HOLD i, thought right, there Brother, Kate we're gonna step

1011
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 1: aside for a few moments and then we come. Back

1012
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 1: i'll let you continue your. Story BUT i thought the

1013
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: story started prior to in Ancient egypt privately For malcolm

1014
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: in the.

1015
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 2: Sixties but Correctly i'm wrong with.

1016
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: That oh, yeah we're gonna start at the beginning because

1017
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: you jumped into the middle eight hundred and four or

1018
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy, six kwansa. Researcher Brother akilles

1019
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: really us this. Morning, family you want to learn more About.

1020
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: Kwanji you got a question about the, celebration reach out

1021
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: to us at eight hundred and four or five zero

1022
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six and were ticket phone calls next

1023
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: and grand rising, family thanks for staying with us on

1024
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: This tuesday. MORNING i guess his brother an w A,

1025
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 1: kill Brother kil is A kwanza, researchers just some research

1026
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 1: on the, Celebration so brother A, kil because ORIGINALLY i

1027
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: thought you said it started in Ancient. Egypt but we

1028
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: start off in the, middle so we're out of sequence,

1029
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: here so we can help us follow the, story because

1030
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 1: then you have to jump. Back as we follow the

1031
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 1: sequence of the, story we can follow it. Better but go, Ahead.

1032
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 5: Okay the reason WHY i did this is you will

1033
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 5: understand in a. Moment you see When kwanza came with

1034
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 5: nineteen sixty. Six, well what had happened is that After

1035
01:03:55,840 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 5: josh had made his presentation in nineteen sixty four In

1036
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 5: New York, city he came back To San. Diego The

1037
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 5: Black Student council had heard that a man by the

1038
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 5: name Of Ron kringa was Teaching swahili in In Los

1039
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 5: angeles At Fremont High school adult, school and so they

1040
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 5: Sent Joe. Vincent they The Black student consul Sent Joe

1041
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 5: vincent To la to Have karinga translate the. Titles. Seven

1042
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 5: you got To you've got to.

1043
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 2: Start the story from the.

1044
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 1: Beginning i'm sorry to interrupt, you, man because all of

1045
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 1: this means nothing unless we hear it from the. Beginning

1046
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 1: you can't start a story in the. Middle i'm. Sorry you, can't,

1047
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: man you can't start the story at the.

1048
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 2: End i'm. Backtrack you got to start it at the.

1049
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 2: Beginning we can't. Follow we're. Listening this is.

1050
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 1: Ears we're. Listening we can't see you gotta. Follow you

1051
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: said it's, Starting Agent. Egypt let's let's follow the trajectory that.

1052
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: Way can't jumping back and forth and back and. Forth

1053
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 1: it's hard to.

1054
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 2: Follow. Man i'm, sorry BUT i just got to be

1055
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 2: straight with.

1056
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 5: It then let me go straight to the to the

1057
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 5: straight to the. Core but you'll understand in a. Moment you, see.

1058
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: We can't follow you if you keep jumping back and.

1059
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: Forth just please tell the story from the. Beginning you

1060
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 1: don't hear. Stuff people don't start stories in the middle

1061
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: or the. End no better than that starting the day

1062
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: you said it's starting Asient. Egypt let's go there so

1063
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 1: we can.

1064
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 5: Follow they refer to us as the stargazers in the

1065
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 5: temple of Hit. Haru on the ceiling of The temple

1066
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 5: of Hit haru is a, fresco and this fresco is

1067
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 5: a picture of the, heavens dedicated To, nuts the goddess

1068
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 5: of the, sky the goddess of the. Heavens and in

1069
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 5: this you see a circular but you don't realize when

1070
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 5: you see, it you don't realize that this is a.

1071
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 5: Calendar it's a stellar calendar that represents twenty five, thousand

1072
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 5: nine hundred and twenty. Years and you see animals in.

1073
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 5: This these animals are the. Beast these beasts represent ages

1074
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 5: that each age represents two, thousand one hundred and sixty,

1075
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 5: years and you multiply twelve times two, thousand one hundred

1076
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 5: and sixty, years and you get twenty five, thousand nine

1077
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 5: hundred and twenty great. Year that's what this is called

1078
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 5: a great. Year each age is a two, thousand one

1079
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 5: hundred and sixty year. Age and When kwanza, began you

1080
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 5: don't realize until you hear that there was a prophecy,

1081
01:06:55,480 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 5: said and this prophecy said that of the beasts would,

1082
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 5: appear and that you would know the beasts by the

1083
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 5: number six six. Six, well On december twenty, sixth nineteen sixty,

1084
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 5: six no one knew, this but that's what it, Is

1085
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 5: december twenty, sixth nineteen sixty. Six when you add these numbers,

1086
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 5: up you get a. Six at thirteen oh two the

1087
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 5: address of The Aquarian Spiritual center And bookshop started By

1088
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 5: Alfred legan and his Wife. Bernice this is Where quanzma.

1089
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 5: Began and when some of you may have seen this

1090
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 5: picture of children with the word quanza on their, chest

1091
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 5: that was the first quanza that fulfilled the six sixty

1092
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 5: sixth PROPHECY i said twelve twenty, six nineteen sixty. Six

1093
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 5: add that up you get a six at thirteen oh,

1094
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 5: two that's another. Six Santa. Barbara Santa barbara is the

1095
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 5: code name Of shangoh In shango's number is. Six shango

1096
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 5: is an. Orisha shango is an orisha that fought for the,

1097
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 5: underdog or fights for the. Underdog shangoh is that's the

1098
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 5: six sixty sixth prophecy being fulfilled at that moment in.

1099
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:21,600
Speaker 5: Time it was on a full moon. Day it was

1100
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 5: a ninety nine percent give us full, moon and it

1101
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:29,599
Speaker 5: achieved one hundred percent on the twenty. Seventh and in other,

1102
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 5: words if it's like being on the edge and then

1103
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 5: being pushed over the, edge so in other, words this

1104
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:40,720
Speaker 5: age was launched at that point in time and none of,

1105
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 5: us none of us knew that we. Would it came

1106
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 5: exactly like the prophecy, said it would come like a

1107
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 5: thief in the, night and nobody understood that how it

1108
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 5: came to me.

1109
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 1: A, Second hold on a, second let me let me

1110
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 1: who made the, prophecy because it sounds really. Confusing to

1111
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 1: be honest with.

1112
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 5: YOU i don't see why he's. Confusing our answer it

1113
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:05,639
Speaker 5: is because.

1114
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 1: You said it's done in Ancient. Egypt and then we're

1115
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 1: all of a, sudden who made one tremendous leap into

1116
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 1: the sixties from Ancient. Egypt exactly connect those thoughts for.

1117
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 1: Us that's What i'm that's All i'm. Asking i'm trying to.

1118
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 1: Follow i'm trying to visualize what you're telling.

1119
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 5: You number, one this prophecy was published in ninety six a.

1120
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 5: D in the last three years Of Emperor. Domatian and

1121
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 5: this was something that he had wanted to, know and

1122
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 5: he had consulted people who were wise in knowing these,

1123
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:40,640
Speaker 5: ways who could read the, stars who could read the,

1124
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 5: heavens and they could tell that this beast would. Appear

1125
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 5: and when you see this planet, sphere you will see

1126
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 5: that there's two. Fish those fish Represent, pisces the age

1127
01:09:55,439 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 5: in which The christian era, rose that is pisce in.

1128
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 5: Age then you'll see these two. Fish the one on

1129
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 5: the right appears to touch the right arm of a

1130
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 5: man with the staff in his left. Hand that represented

1131
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 5: the beginning of an age of a new. Age and

1132
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 5: that is exactly When kwanza. Began that was the, beast

1133
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 5: that was the, Man that was the man that if

1134
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 5: anybody sees this planetsphere you, was you would readily see

1135
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 5: for the two. Fish the two fish we have, names

1136
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 5: by the, Way in And, raymi those are their. Names

1137
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 5: and that is When kwanza began with the we're talking about,

1138
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 5: now nineteen sixty, six twelve twenty, six nineteen sixty. Six

1139
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 5: add that up you get a.

1140
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 1: Six but that's that's that's why i'ming a problem with

1141
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 1: the Ancient egypt to the. Sixties i'm trying TO.

1142
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 5: I, said, now remember WHAT i just. SAID a moment.

1143
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 5: AGO i said that ninety six a. D The emperor

1144
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:11,839
Speaker 5: Of rome of The Roman, empire The Eastern Roman, Empire.

1145
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 5: Domatian he wanted to know from the ancients who were

1146
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 5: older than, him what is going to be my? End

1147
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 5: and the question that he was told from those who

1148
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 5: knew how to read that, planetsphere that a beast would.

1149
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:33,640
Speaker 5: Appear and the beast is the. Age that's what the

1150
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 5: it's a cold, name cold reference to an, age an,

1151
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:45,639
Speaker 5: era and that era began When kwanza. Came and none

1152
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 5: of us ever knew. That we can walk around and

1153
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:51,600
Speaker 5: act like we KNOW i did, THIS i did, that

1154
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 5: but we didn't know that we were launching an. AGE

1155
01:11:54,720 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 5: i know a, doctor doctor, legan he didn't know he

1156
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 5: was thinking that the age Of. Aquarius he had no

1157
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 5: idea that the. Age the age Is quanza and it's

1158
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 5: on the children's. Chest the Word kwansa is there at

1159
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 5: the First, kwanza the ritual that the children went, through

1160
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 5: which was they, said case stands For, kenya And kenya

1161
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 5: is the country In East africa where they Speak. Swahili

1162
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 5: w is For, watusi and The watusi are people From

1163
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 5: rwanda where they Speak. Swahilian it Was dammu in God

1164
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:33,200
Speaker 5: dammu who explained this to. Me he didn't elaborate the

1165
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 5: whole drama that each child. Said he couldn't, remember but

1166
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:42,639
Speaker 5: those are the first two that they. SAID i refer

1167
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 5: to this as The daimu. Ceremony this ceremony launched well.

1168
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:51,560
Speaker 1: Second here thirty minutes out the top down family that

1169
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:54,639
Speaker 1: kills research On. Qwanja and he says he started back

1170
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 1: in Ancient egypt and connecting the. Dots he, says connecting the,

1171
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 1: dots and then we jumped all the way to this

1172
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 1: prophecy that came to a reality in the. Sixties correct

1173
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:06,679
Speaker 1: me If i'm. Wrong i'm trying to follow. Here, kiel

1174
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 1: and you said there were a group of children with

1175
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:13,679
Speaker 1: with the markings on their chest spelt the Word. Kwanza

1176
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 1: AM i, Correct i'm missing.

1177
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 5: Something you remember in gal Dal mua you you Met dalmud.

1178
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:25,640
Speaker 5: Before but, Anyhow damu's task was to come up with

1179
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 5: something to involve the, children so he came up with

1180
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 5: a with a uh uh a. DRAMA i referred to

1181
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 5: it as a drama where each child would take a

1182
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 5: particular k w a and say something about. This and

1183
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 5: as it, was a girl by the name Of Kamu kamo,

1184
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 5: SAID i want to do be part of this, Too

1185
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 5: and that's How kwanza got seven letters because Dam mu

1186
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:03,680
Speaker 5: rather than saying, no he and he included. Her he

1187
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 5: made an extra. A he gave that aid to his Daughter.

1188
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 1: Terry and right a little back for a second, here

1189
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 1: how did that come up with With? Kwanja why can't

1190
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 1: they call it liptos?

1191
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 5: Or according To Kicheiko, davis who lives In, philadelphia she

1192
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 5: says that it Was kringu's task to come up with

1193
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:28,800
Speaker 5: the Name, kwanza and that's we can.

1194
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 2: Doctor came up with a Name. Kwanza he came up.

1195
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 10: With the Name.

1196
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:38,720
Speaker 5: Kwanza all, right, now it was it was Through it

1197
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 5: was through a meeting that took place In San. Diego

1198
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 5: after he has he's been invited to come To San

1199
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:48,479
Speaker 5: diego to make a presentation to The Black Student. Council

1200
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 5: And uh after he makes his, Presentation, Uh Joe, vincent

1201
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 5: it was in his living, room he and his, Wife

1202
01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 5: joe And Gloria. Vincent, Uh joe Calls Arthur, graham And Arthur,

1203
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:06,880
Speaker 5: graham who wasn't, there but he was on the phone

1204
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 5: and he now is connected With Karinga. Karenga at the

1205
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 5: time that he comes To San, diego he's not thinking

1206
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 5: in terms of a. Holiday he's coming to make a.

1207
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 5: Presentation that's Why gloria had invited him to come To San.

1208
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 5: Diego to quote, her there wasn't nothing black happening In San.

1209
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 5: Diego we wanted to hear what he had to, say quote.

1210
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:33,559
Speaker 5: Unquote so after he finishes making his, presentation Then joe

1211
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 5: Calls graham and Puts graham on the phone With, kaminga

1212
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 5: And graham says the, Following, look, brother we want you

1213
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 5: to start a holiday On december twenty, sixth base it

1214
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 5: around the seven principles and give it An african. Name Now,

1215
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:56,640
Speaker 5: dammux who would later say to. Me he said that

1216
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,559
Speaker 5: he And, kringa because he Told. Kringa they, say, hey,

1217
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 5: Man i'm not down for no. RELIGION i don't want

1218
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 5: anything to do with the new. Religion graham had Told,

1219
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 5: karinga stay away from. Religion we don't want to be

1220
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 5: involved with any. Religion and so this is What karreinga

1221
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:20,519
Speaker 5: would say To daalmud, said, no, no, no we're not

1222
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 5: dealing with the. Religion this is based upon. Principles so

1223
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 5: they went back To, la and it took them a

1224
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 5: while to get things rolling just because they went back To.

1225
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:34,440
Speaker 5: La they didn't do it right. Then and there they

1226
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 5: were still mulling around in their minds as to what

1227
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:39,639
Speaker 5: they were going to. Do it was On december twenty

1228
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:47,679
Speaker 5: fifth Where dalmud goes To karinga's. House his, Daughter daimu's Daughter,

1229
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:51,759
Speaker 5: terry wanted to give To Night kaaringa's daughter a gift

1230
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 5: On Christmas, Day december twenty, fifth nineteen sixty. Five and

1231
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:01,679
Speaker 5: they go and get some toys and go By kringa's

1232
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 5: house and then they get. There, man you, KNOW i

1233
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 5: don't celebrate Most christmas in my, house this that and the,

1234
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:10,600
Speaker 5: other and blah blah blah And DomU, said, YEAH i

1235
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 5: understand my daughter wanted to give your daughter a, gift

1236
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:18,640
Speaker 5: and So i'm supporting my daughter's gift giving. Gesture and

1237
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:23,639
Speaker 5: so in the discussion the, adults the children are playing

1238
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 5: doing whatever it is they doing, this and you know

1239
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 5: how children be the ear hustling on the what the

1240
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:33,720
Speaker 5: adults be, saying because As terry would, say after hearing them,

1241
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 5: say we have to deal with some other, holiday we

1242
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 5: have to do, this that and the. Other And cherry,

1243
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:43,840
Speaker 5: says if you take Away, christmas what are we gonna?

1244
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 5: Do that put the onus on the. Adults and from

1245
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 5: that point, on that's how the committee came. Together well

1246
01:17:54,520 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 5: that we're gonna start Hi eba and our moved became

1247
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 5: the two lead organizers to bring everybody else involved in

1248
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 5: THE us organization, together and everybody took a, position took a.

1249
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 5: Role they all were doing research and coming up with

1250
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 5: different ways of doing, this that and the. Other but

1251
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:23,640
Speaker 5: note they were gradually learning because they didn't know that

1252
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 5: this is something that hadn't been done, before and they

1253
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 5: were figuring out what had to be, done and it

1254
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 5: would unravel kind of like you taking us the onion,

1255
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 5: apart layer after, layer after layer because different people would

1256
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 5: would would come in even after it had gotten. Started

1257
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 5: in nineteen sixty, seven sister mckinya, mckinya it Was thanksgiving

1258
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 5: weekend nineteen sixty. Seven colngia has taken.

1259
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 7: Her to the.

1260
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 5: Airport she lives in The Bay. Area kringa's taking her

1261
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 5: to the airport and he gives her an outline and he,

1262
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:06,639
Speaker 5: says see what you can do with. This she gets

1263
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:11,040
Speaker 5: back to The bay area and she Takes.

1264
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 1: Harambe and she, Expanded, oh that lefto right, there Brother,

1265
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 1: key we gotta check the news whether sports in our different.

1266
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 1: Cities twenty three minutes away from the tavday our. Family

1267
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 1: this is A kwanza researcher brother At kiel and he,

1268
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 1: says Doctor karringa came up with the Name kwanza and

1269
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:30,599
Speaker 1: he's telling us how we formulated and connect him back

1270
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 1: to Ancient. Egypt what are your? Thoughts she got a

1271
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 1: question for. Him reach out to us at eight hundred

1272
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 1: and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and

1273
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 1: we'll take a phone calls after the. News that's next

1274
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:41,720
Speaker 1: And Grand rising, family thanks for staying with us on

1275
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 1: This tuesday. MORNING i guess his Brother akil out Of.

1276
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 4: La he.

1277
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:47,640
Speaker 1: Does he's done some research Into. Kwanza he says the

1278
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:50,720
Speaker 1: holiday was actually, prophesied but coming from the has got

1279
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:52,840
Speaker 1: roots in Ancient, egypt who we'll get back to in a.

1280
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 1: Moment let me just remind. You coming up later this,

1281
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 1: morning we're gonna speak of one of our premier. Scholars

1282
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 1: that would Be professor Am, maine Who i'm pinned from

1283
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 1: A Contracosta college in Northern. California he's going to talk About,

1284
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 1: egypt The Grand Egypt, museum and the modern day fraud

1285
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 1: that's taking place In egypt right. Now live this, week

1286
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna hear from civil rights Activists William Akassa. Riggs

1287
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 1: he marched along with Doctor King marion Barritge On Harsh.

1288
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 1: Snake he was part of. That we requa me toay

1289
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 1: part of that come over with the coin the term black.

1290
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 1: Power he's going to be here, Also Sister Pam africa

1291
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 1: from The move organization is going to report on The

1292
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 1: march uh For Mumu Abu jamal at the concludes today

1293
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:31,640
Speaker 1: and holistic and medical doctor DOCTOR a will be.

1294
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 10: Here.

1295
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:34,160
Speaker 1: Family you got you got some health issues you want

1296
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:36,560
Speaker 1: to hear from both. Sides a traditional doctor you, want a,

1297
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:37,679
Speaker 1: holistic a natural pathic.

1298
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 2: Doctor she does it.

1299
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 1: Both she'll be here as, well so tell your friends

1300
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 1: if you have some, issues some health issues or. Challenges

1301
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 1: she's the lady you need to talk. To and also

1302
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:48,599
Speaker 1: one Of malcolm's daughter's going to join us as, Well Ayesha,

1303
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 1: SHABBAZ i should say Doctor Lisa schabbaz is going to

1304
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 1: be as, well coming raating the one hundred the centenary

1305
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 1: at the anniversary of the autobiography Of MALCOLM. X she's

1306
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 1: going to share that information with. Us so if you

1307
01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 1: are In, baltimore make sure you keep your radar locked

1308
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 1: in tight on ten TEN, wlb or if you're in THE,

1309
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 1: dmv you're on fourteen fifteen W. L all, right Brother,

1310
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 1: keile before we go on any, Further Brother andre has

1311
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 1: a question for you about we say The quan concept

1312
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:17,479
Speaker 1: was started in Ancient. Egypt so grind, Writing Brother andre,

1313
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:18,920
Speaker 1: young my Brother, akil.

1314
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:24,600
Speaker 14: Brother a brother call and Bybe. Kiel, YES i have a.

1315
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:27,480
Speaker 14: Question BEFORE i ask that, question, THOUGH i want to acknowledge,

1316
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 14: You Bybye, kiel for having one of the longest fans

1317
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 14: Standing kwanza parade in the. Nation and you do that

1318
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:38,760
Speaker 14: every year and have been doing that for years Of

1319
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 14: Princehaw boulevard right in the heart of the black community

1320
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 14: Here Los angeles or what we call The molcolm that.

1321
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 14: Corridor but my question is, this IF i see Where

1322
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 14: carl is going with, this making the connection from Ancient

1323
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 14: egypt to the principles you know of my aunt you, know, truth, justice,

1324
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 14: righteousness and some of those founding principles and the other

1325
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:03,920
Speaker 14: on the impact of all that with the principles Of

1326
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 14: quasi working Together ujima jama self. DETERMINATION i think that

1327
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:14,160
Speaker 14: What i'd like to hear more. Of And i'm sure

1328
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 14: that there's some listeners out there that are sort of

1329
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:20,759
Speaker 14: like borderline on the fence and maybe not understanding exactly

1330
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 14: Why quanta should be celebrated and why these principles are

1331
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:27,879
Speaker 14: applicable in the here and. Now the sort of evolution

1332
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 14: of the concept of righteousness and justice and fair play

1333
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:34,680
Speaker 14: and all of, that and the continuum from then till,

1334
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 14: NOW i think it's a missing link from the continuum

1335
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 14: of the discussion to bring it into modern day, times

1336
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 14: to make it practical and applicable. Today can you comment

1337
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 14: on those original My ostian principles And also it's connection

1338
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 14: with The Anguza.

1339
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:56,439
Speaker 5: Saba number, ONE.

1340
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:00,640
Speaker 1: I, think thank, You Brother, andrea and thank you for

1341
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:02,759
Speaker 1: pointing out the fact That kwansa is not a, holiday

1342
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:05,000
Speaker 1: it's a. Celebration that's another important.

1343
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 7: Point you know the.

1344
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 1: HOLIDAYS i know it's coming, up so people got to

1345
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 1: remember it's not a, holiday it's a. Celebration and also.

1346
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 14: Religious either BECAUSE i think it's the nominations of the

1347
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:20,639
Speaker 14: religion that it's people, say don't take away My. Jesus

1348
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 14: were Celebrating. Jesus this is something that based on principles

1349
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:27,560
Speaker 14: and not a religious.

1350
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 1: Concept and thank you for mentioning the brother kil puts

1351
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 1: on the quancpt parade and hopefully he's chosen The king Of,

1352
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 1: queens The king and The. Queen he'll tell, us hopefully

1353
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 1: he'll give us that information about The quanti parade that's

1354
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 1: going to take. Places you mentioned right through the heart

1355
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:44,880
Speaker 1: of Black Los. Angeles But Brother, Keil i'll actually respond

1356
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:45,439
Speaker 1: To andre's.

1357
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 5: Questions number, one the seven principles was it's What kwansa

1358
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 5: is based. Around. This first of, all this look at

1359
01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:01,680
Speaker 5: who we are as a. People we didn't even though

1360
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:05,240
Speaker 5: we went through slavery and all that that meant that

1361
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:10,680
Speaker 5: we connected the. Docks we met all of the. Criteria

1362
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:14,679
Speaker 5: there had been some prophecies that had been said about Ancient.

1363
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:19,559
Speaker 5: Egypt it, said old daughter Of, egypt you will end

1364
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 5: up being under a hard, master to the king of The,

1365
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 5: north that your children would wear, sackcloths that you would

1366
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:32,679
Speaker 5: be sent to a land not your. Own we met

1367
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:37,280
Speaker 5: all three of those. Prophecies WHEN i say we black

1368
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 5: folk here have met all three of those. Prophecies and

1369
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 5: the fourth prophecy was said that a beast would, appear

1370
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:55,719
Speaker 5: in other, words an age would. Come that age would

1371
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:58,439
Speaker 5: be known by six sixty. Six Now i've said this,

1372
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 5: Earlier so When kwanza, came it fulfilled the six sixty sixth.

1373
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:12,640
Speaker 5: Prophecy it's fulfilled it in the following. Way one to,

1374
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 5: day sixty sixty, six twelve twenty, six nineteen sixty six

1375
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 5: is a. Six at thirteen oh, two it's another. Six Santa.

1376
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:27,639
Speaker 5: Barbara Santa barbara Represents shango And shango's number is. Six

1377
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 5: and in the background nobody understood.

1378
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 13: THIS i KNOW i.

1379
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 5: DIDN'T i didn't come into an understanding of this until

1380
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 5: being hit of the quansa coordinating. Committee my task was

1381
01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:45,759
Speaker 5: to come up with the way of reinforcing The Nguzu.

1382
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:49,679
Speaker 5: Cyba and it was through a calendar that came into.

1383
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:53,599
Speaker 5: Existence and this CALENDAR i had to look and find

1384
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 5: out what day of the week Was. Kwanza when it,

1385
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 5: started it was on A. Monday that's why The kwanza

1386
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:05,640
Speaker 5: calendar everything keys off Of. Monday these days of the

1387
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:11,920
Speaker 5: week follow the seven Principles umoja through the money and

1388
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 5: the first month Is wakwandraa that's the festival. Months it's

1389
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 5: a seven day interclorie of intercalorie being days to lock

1390
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 5: in the. Calendar and each, day of, course as everybody,

1391
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:35,800
Speaker 5: knows corresponds To umoja through The. Money and so this

1392
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:41,799
Speaker 5: year coming represents the year Of. Ujama in other, words

1393
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 5: WHEN i, begin one of the things THAT i begin

1394
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:49,759
Speaker 5: to see was that each year would represent a. Change

1395
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 5: it wasn't just that that it's always the. Same, no

1396
01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:59,879
Speaker 5: each year we are like this year, coming it Represents.

1397
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 5: Ujama the year that we're in right this moment Is

1398
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 5: ujima and it. Lasts of, course we spend seven years

1399
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:14,760
Speaker 5: in each. Sign this is and it's also the we're

1400
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:20,599
Speaker 5: corresponding to the planet known As. Shango it Was Ohba.

1401
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 5: Osagiman i've been formerly the first who founded Oh yatunji

1402
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 5: village In South, carolina who renamed the planets and the

1403
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:35,519
Speaker 5: planet That uranus Is shango And. Shango this planet is

1404
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:39,240
Speaker 5: the only planet of the planets in The Solar system.

1405
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 11: That is on its.

1406
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:44,679
Speaker 5: Side all the other planets are vertical to the plane

1407
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:50,800
Speaker 5: of The. Sun But shango Or uranus is laying on

1408
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:54,680
Speaker 5: its side and it's spinning as it goes around the,

1409
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:58,680
Speaker 5: planet excuse, me as it goes around The. Sun and

1410
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 5: it has an eighty four year cycle around The, sun

1411
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:10,840
Speaker 5: spinning seven years in each. Sign, now this is requiring

1412
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 5: us to do some research research to understand how we're

1413
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:19,360
Speaker 5: going to put together and understand the flow of the.

1414
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 5: Calendar because number one we have besides our annual, calendar

1415
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:29,240
Speaker 5: we have to also keep in mind how we keep

1416
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 5: track of the quarter. Days understand WHEN i say, this

1417
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:37,440
Speaker 5: every year a quarter day is added in a cumulative,

1418
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 5: form like at this point in time in a one,

1419
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:46,599
Speaker 5: thousand four hundred and sixty one year, cycle these one quarter,

1420
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:51,240
Speaker 5: days you keep track of. Them at the end of one,

1421
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 5: thousand four hundred and sixty one, years you add a whole.

1422
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:58,679
Speaker 5: Year this is how the calendar is kept in. Place

1423
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 5: so that meant that we have a solar, calendar we

1424
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 5: have a lunar, calendar and we have a calendar that

1425
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 5: locks everything according to the quarter. Days like according to

1426
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 5: the quarter day of a one four hundred and sixty

1427
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:24,160
Speaker 5: one year, cycle we would be on day as of

1428
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:29,160
Speaker 5: the twenty sixth Of, december that will be the start

1429
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 5: of day. Fifteen in other, words we are adding quarter.

1430
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:40,040
Speaker 5: Days every four years is a, day so after sixty

1431
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 5: years we will be at. Fifteen because this year coming

1432
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 5: marks the launch of the, opening the opening year of

1433
01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:51,839
Speaker 5: the year Of, ujima the sixtieth year of The kwansa.

1434
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:56,120
Speaker 5: Era we are in a new, era and it's hard

1435
01:29:56,160 --> 01:30:01,160
Speaker 5: for us to put this to grasp, this but WHEN

1436
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:04,160
Speaker 5: i say a new, era it means this is our,

1437
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 5: role this is our, Path this is our. DESTINY i

1438
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:10,479
Speaker 5: can't speak about other folks, destiny but this is our.

1439
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 5: Destiny we're the ones putting this. Together, again this has

1440
01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:18,760
Speaker 5: come to. Us it didn't just come To it didn't

1441
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:23,439
Speaker 5: happen In, washington D. C didn't happen In. Atlanta happening

1442
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:27,639
Speaker 5: right here when this age, began this new age, began

1443
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 5: and as much as. People they sound or may, think

1444
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:35,760
Speaker 5: oh he don't know what he's talking, about or this is,

1445
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 5: incredible or whatever they have to. Say ALL i can

1446
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:43,320
Speaker 5: say to you is, this this age, began and as

1447
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:47,200
Speaker 5: the brother said, before it began with. Principles it didn't

1448
01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 5: begin with a. Savior it began with. Principles and these,

1449
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:56,080
Speaker 5: children the, children some of you may have seen, this

1450
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:58,479
Speaker 5: and if you doubt, it you can go TO.

1451
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:00,439
Speaker 7: Bbc.

1452
01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:06,400
Speaker 5: First kwanza it's still. Up you can hear What terry says,

1453
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:10,120
Speaker 5: herself asked why when you see, this when you see

1454
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:14,559
Speaker 5: this photograph of children with the Word kwanza on their.

1455
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:21,439
Speaker 5: Chest the girl that has the leopard skin outfit, on

1456
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:26,160
Speaker 5: she has something in her. Hands what she has in

1457
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:31,360
Speaker 5: her hands are. Strained her Father damu And God dammu

1458
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:34,960
Speaker 5: has told her take that letter, off take the letter,

1459
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:38,160
Speaker 5: off take it. Off and what she says is that

1460
01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:42,800
Speaker 5: the adults wanted to be. Correct there was no word

1461
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:46,439
Speaker 5: called k w a n z a. A there was

1462
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:49,840
Speaker 5: only k w a n z a and they wanted

1463
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:53,680
Speaker 5: to have that. Correct REMEMBER i had said Earlier, kinamu

1464
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:57,760
Speaker 5: who had wanted to say, That she had, SAID i

1465
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:02,080
Speaker 5: want to be a part of this. Too dommu made

1466
01:32:02,120 --> 01:32:04,560
Speaker 5: another eight gave it to his Daughter terry because he

1467
01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 5: knew That terry would follow, instructions and he gave A

1468
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:15,560
Speaker 5: kinamu the Ki her Name kamos also K kenya is

1469
01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:18,680
Speaker 5: a country In East. Africa when they Speaks swahili in

1470
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:19,280
Speaker 5: the next.

1471
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:22,160
Speaker 1: One w, HOLD i thought right, there brother, kay we

1472
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:23,640
Speaker 1: got to step aside and get caught up in the

1473
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:25,760
Speaker 1: latest traffic weather at different. Cities i'll let you finish

1474
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 1: your thought on the other, side and when you come

1475
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:29,200
Speaker 1: back to tell us about the parade that's going to

1476
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:31,960
Speaker 1: take place at The Quanta, parade especially for our folks

1477
01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:34,519
Speaker 1: peeps out In Los angeles three minutes away from the

1478
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:36,479
Speaker 1: top of the our family speaking with our w a.

1479
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:39,600
Speaker 1: Kill Brother khil is A quansa researcher's coming up and

1480
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:42,719
Speaker 1: telling us That quansa actually started prophesied in Ancient. Egypt

1481
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:44,680
Speaker 1: what are your? Thoughts you can reach them at eight

1482
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 1: hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll

1483
01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:50,599
Speaker 1: take a phone calls after the traffic weather that's next

1484
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:53,040
Speaker 1: And Grand rising, family thanks for sticking with us on

1485
01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:54,160
Speaker 1: This tuesday.

1486
01:32:54,200 --> 01:32:54,439
Speaker 2: Morning.

1487
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:56,800
Speaker 1: Here Brother akil is with us From la he's A

1488
01:32:57,160 --> 01:33:00,599
Speaker 1: quansa researcher and Says quanta has its roots In. Egypt

1489
01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:02,840
Speaker 1: that is connecting the dots for. Us a Moment, tail

1490
01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:05,200
Speaker 1: we're going to speak with Professor mainu And pen also

1491
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:09,360
Speaker 1: join us From. California he's at The Northern. California it's

1492
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:11,800
Speaker 1: A Contra Costa. College, well we get to A, momentelly

1493
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 1: but Brother keel finished real quick and Doctor hake has

1494
01:33:15,439 --> 01:33:16,720
Speaker 1: a question for you as well About.

1495
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:19,240
Speaker 7: Kwanza, OKAY.

1496
01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:25,960
Speaker 5: I want to refer people To CHARLES. S, finch the

1497
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:30,479
Speaker 5: THIRD Md echoes of The dark of The Old Dark,

1498
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:36,919
Speaker 5: land page one twenty. One you will see the. Fresco

1499
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:40,479
Speaker 5: it was on The it was in the temple Of

1500
01:33:41,160 --> 01:33:46,240
Speaker 5: headhru In. Dindara that is an ancient depiction of the.

1501
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:50,400
Speaker 5: Heavens that is a twenty five, thousand nine hundred and

1502
01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:56,960
Speaker 5: twenty Year Great year calendar that was derived by our,

1503
01:33:57,200 --> 01:34:02,680
Speaker 5: ancestors the stargazers who were watching the. Stars they were

1504
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:05,799
Speaker 5: the ones that put this. Together that is the ancient.

1505
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:11,479
Speaker 5: Connection and where you see when you see, this you

1506
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:16,920
Speaker 5: will see the different quote. Animals those are the. Beasts

1507
01:34:17,680 --> 01:34:21,800
Speaker 5: there was nothing spooky or anything that there was nothing.

1508
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:27,840
Speaker 5: Evil those are just the zoo types that represented each astrological,

1509
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:34,320
Speaker 5: sign and each astrological sign, represented AND a represents an.

1510
01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:38,960
Speaker 5: Era an era represents two, thousand one hundred and fifty

1511
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:42,559
Speaker 5: five to two one hundred and sixty. Years, now it's

1512
01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:47,160
Speaker 5: a little bit much for somebody just to grasp something

1513
01:34:47,240 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 5: without having an understanding of, this BUT i urge you

1514
01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:54,560
Speaker 5: to Check Charles spinch THE. Ii you will see he

1515
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:57,800
Speaker 5: does an excellent job of breaking it down so that

1516
01:34:58,479 --> 01:35:03,120
Speaker 5: you will understand in The echoes Of Dark old of

1517
01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:07,600
Speaker 5: The Old Dark land And star Of Deep beginnings and

1518
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:13,200
Speaker 5: his book ten Thousand years in the In now in

1519
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:16,000
Speaker 5: The Now valley this night and.

1520
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:17,760
Speaker 1: Doctor let me just say, This Doctor finch has been

1521
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:21,320
Speaker 1: several times a kill but in the interesting, Time Doctor,

1522
01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:24,160
Speaker 1: hackey come From, baltimore has a question for us online. Too,

1523
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:29,640
Speaker 1: Uh Doctor hakey Grand, rising we only Brother Akil Queer.

1524
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:33,519
Speaker 9: Grand Rising Grand, rising and appreciate the uh the scholar

1525
01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:37,240
Speaker 9: here quote Mister. FINCH i appreciate that it's always a

1526
01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:41,479
Speaker 9: good uh person you have on. Call but, uh you Mentioned,

1527
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:44,719
Speaker 9: kenya and ACTUALLY i was In kenya maybe the last

1528
01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:50,040
Speaker 9: month month and a half. Ago, uh can you speak

1529
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:53,720
Speaker 9: to oh, well, first there will be a quart at

1530
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:58,560
Speaker 9: The Regin Refluence. Museum it's Coming saturday In. Baltimore SO

1531
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:01,760
Speaker 9: i definitely looked that up, everybody BUT i wanted to

1532
01:36:02,280 --> 01:36:05,360
Speaker 9: just you, know can you just add on in terms

1533
01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:08,040
Speaker 9: of in your, research you know the role of The

1534
01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:13,519
Speaker 9: swahili language you. FOUND i, mean many describe it as

1535
01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:16,200
Speaker 9: a trader's, language but did you find any of that

1536
01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:19,840
Speaker 9: in your analysis of a quanta like or is that

1537
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:22,280
Speaker 9: like more contemporarily.

1538
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:22,519
Speaker 10: And not just take it off the?

1539
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:25,200
Speaker 9: Air so thank, you all, right thank Go.

1540
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:34,200
Speaker 5: Swahili swahili cannot be denied as Being it's a language

1541
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:39,240
Speaker 5: that began in The valley of The. Now it began

1542
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:45,599
Speaker 5: amongst what is referred to as a band, too a language.

1543
01:36:46,120 --> 01:36:53,920
Speaker 5: Base it has a an ancient. Origin it didn't just

1544
01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:57,280
Speaker 5: people wanted to say that it's it was made. UP

1545
01:36:58,280 --> 01:37:02,040
Speaker 5: i really don't think that you would see. That when

1546
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:05,840
Speaker 5: a conqueror comes, in the conqueror doesn't use the people

1547
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:08,240
Speaker 5: that he's, conquering doesn't use their. Language he wants to

1548
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:13,400
Speaker 5: impose his own language on. There But swahili has an

1549
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:19,240
Speaker 5: ancient foundation and it has become and it has accepted

1550
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:25,080
Speaker 5: by the oh now the organization Of African. Unity they

1551
01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:30,520
Speaker 5: have THE Au African Unity Unity. Organization they have Adopted

1552
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:36,840
Speaker 5: swahili as the lingua franca of the. CONTINENTS i think

1553
01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:40,160
Speaker 5: that this is the direction things are going, in That

1554
01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:43,400
Speaker 5: swahili is not to be. Ignored it's something for us to.

1555
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:46,960
Speaker 5: EMBRACE i don't think that it would hurt us at

1556
01:37:47,080 --> 01:37:50,320
Speaker 5: all to Study swahili and become an expert at that

1557
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:53,719
Speaker 5: it wouldn't hurt us to study not Just, swahili but Study.

1558
01:37:53,840 --> 01:38:00,680
Speaker 5: Yorba and that our goal is to re killed our.

1559
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:04,960
Speaker 5: People don't just limit. Ourselves there's a lot of, things

1560
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:07,719
Speaker 5: a lot of vistas out there for us to tackle

1561
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:12,000
Speaker 5: and become a part. Of remember What malcolm was talking

1562
01:38:12,040 --> 01:38:16,320
Speaker 5: about was joining black folks From canada To. Argentina if you,

1563
01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:22,040
Speaker 5: black You African. American that's What malcolm was talking, about

1564
01:38:22,479 --> 01:38:27,400
Speaker 5: and That swahili would be one of the languages that we.

1565
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:31,640
Speaker 5: Learned we have a new vista that we're dealing. With,

1566
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:35,840
Speaker 5: now let me get jumped quickly to The Kwanza. Guaide

1567
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:39,880
Speaker 5: this is the fourteen ninth year of The quans Of Guari.

1568
01:38:40,040 --> 01:38:46,599
Speaker 5: Day our theme Is kufu Fu Lewa. Resurrection we had

1569
01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:51,400
Speaker 5: begun honoring, women and we were going to speak in

1570
01:38:51,560 --> 01:38:58,680
Speaker 5: terms of Honoring Asada shakur. Posthumously and what has, occurred of,

1571
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:06,679
Speaker 5: course Was Jamil elamin also known as H Rap brown passed.

1572
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:13,200
Speaker 5: Away so we have to honor both of these to

1573
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:17,800
Speaker 5: me important ancestors for what for their contribution and things

1574
01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:21,280
Speaker 5: that they've. Done this is how we're going to. Honor

1575
01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:28,679
Speaker 5: not we won't have uh Any Yaba queen And Obat

1576
01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:32,920
Speaker 5: king per, se but we'll be honoring these sacred ancestors

1577
01:39:33,400 --> 01:39:36,760
Speaker 5: and we'll be having it be speaking about. Them uh

1578
01:39:37,080 --> 01:39:41,640
Speaker 5: it'll be part of the dialogue during or after the

1579
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:44,479
Speaker 5: parade that we speak of from the.

1580
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:44,960
Speaker 7: Stage.

1581
01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:47,160
Speaker 1: Right let me let me pump it up a little

1582
01:39:47,160 --> 01:39:51,439
Speaker 1: because doctor prem but, quickly what time is the?

1583
01:39:51,479 --> 01:39:52,120
Speaker 2: Parade what what?

1584
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:54,960
Speaker 1: Date and if you can just tell some of the

1585
01:39:55,080 --> 01:39:57,760
Speaker 1: listeners who don't know some of the the they and

1586
01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:00,479
Speaker 1: you can use the name that you for The king

1587
01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:02,560
Speaker 1: and the queens of the parade of some of the

1588
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:05,080
Speaker 1: past ones that have led the.

1589
01:40:05,120 --> 01:40:07,040
Speaker 7: Parade we've.

1590
01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:09,639
Speaker 5: Had the first one was a, man but the name

1591
01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:14,719
Speaker 5: Was steve Len, morris also known As Little Stevie. Wonder

1592
01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:19,680
Speaker 5: he was in nineteen sixty nineteen seventy. Nine excuse, me

1593
01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:29,479
Speaker 5: we've Had Danny, bakewell we've HAD i started stopping think about.

1594
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:32,760
Speaker 5: IT i can't even remember all the different people over

1595
01:40:32,920 --> 01:40:33,479
Speaker 5: forty nine.

1596
01:40:33,560 --> 01:40:38,920
Speaker 15: Years Was Rosa mosley once one of?

1597
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:45,840
Speaker 5: Them it was mostly that. Played he was the he

1598
01:40:46,040 --> 01:40:51,160
Speaker 5: was in nineteen seventy nineteen seventy, eight he was The,

1599
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:56,800
Speaker 5: obar and he was the helicopter In Magnum, pi the

1600
01:40:56,920 --> 01:41:00,360
Speaker 5: helicopter Pilot Magnum. Pi And ROGER.

1601
01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:03,320
Speaker 6: E moseley and he he was our old.

1602
01:41:03,400 --> 01:41:08,760
Speaker 5: Bar he Was Marla geers was the old. Bar we've

1603
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:12,840
Speaker 5: Had drammo J Jizo, Platt we've had uh.

1604
01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:19,519
Speaker 1: Oh, boy we get to because we're flat out of time, here,

1605
01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:21,920
Speaker 1: brother what days the?

1606
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:26,879
Speaker 5: Parade december twenty sixth ELEVEN a M adams And quinshaw

1607
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:30,800
Speaker 5: to The Merk. Park come, one come, all enjoying with?

1608
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:36,720
Speaker 5: It all? Right take care and www Dot Kwanza guada

1609
01:41:36,920 --> 01:41:41,200
Speaker 5: G W A R i D e dot. Com that's our.

1610
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:43,519
Speaker 5: Website have a good, day.

1611
01:41:43,960 --> 01:41:44,439
Speaker 2: All, Right thank?

1612
01:41:44,479 --> 01:41:48,120
Speaker 1: You Brother keel eight hundred four five here seventy eight seventy,

1613
01:41:48,200 --> 01:41:50,960
Speaker 1: Six Grand Rising Professor main new and Pen welcome back

1614
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:51,160
Speaker 1: to the.

1615
01:41:51,240 --> 01:41:58,120
Speaker 16: Program Grant roger and shining Brother, Carl i'm glad to be.

1616
01:41:58,240 --> 01:42:00,479
Speaker 2: Back, yes, sir we talked About.

1617
01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:03,360
Speaker 1: Swahili you, know can you give us a little bit

1618
01:42:03,360 --> 01:42:05,960
Speaker 1: of background Of swahili how because some, people you, KNOW

1619
01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:08,760
Speaker 1: i think it was Doctor haiki mentioned The swail sort

1620
01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:10,960
Speaker 1: of a bastard language or so what do you what

1621
01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:12,120
Speaker 1: can you share with us About.

1622
01:42:12,720 --> 01:42:18,559
Speaker 16: Swahili, well you, know there's, definitely as a brother mentioned,

1623
01:42:18,600 --> 01:42:22,720
Speaker 16: it An african foundation in baseed For, swahili but there's

1624
01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:27,680
Speaker 16: an innermixture of other languages. Later But swahili is a

1625
01:42:27,800 --> 01:42:31,120
Speaker 16: very important language that was taught here in The states

1626
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:33,680
Speaker 16: in the sixties and, seventies and a lot of the

1627
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:38,439
Speaker 16: independent schools have Chosen, swahili and for good reason because

1628
01:42:38,479 --> 01:42:41,760
Speaker 16: if you look at The swahili, coast The east coast Of,

1629
01:42:42,280 --> 01:42:46,400
Speaker 16: africa this was a great trading. Empire so in the

1630
01:42:46,479 --> 01:42:51,240
Speaker 16: development of that cultural complex and trading, Network swahili was

1631
01:42:51,280 --> 01:42:54,599
Speaker 16: a great trading language and has a great trading. Language

1632
01:42:54,640 --> 01:43:00,679
Speaker 16: it was spread wide and far In, africa but also

1633
01:43:00,760 --> 01:43:03,360
Speaker 16: to the. East so people in that, region whether The

1634
01:43:03,560 --> 01:43:07,759
Speaker 16: kenyan or anywhere in that, area they to Speak swahili

1635
01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:11,320
Speaker 16: as their original mother tongue or they speak it pretty

1636
01:43:11,400 --> 01:43:14,759
Speaker 16: fluently because it's very, widespread and one of the things

1637
01:43:14,840 --> 01:43:19,280
Speaker 16: that that cause activists here in The states to Embrace

1638
01:43:19,280 --> 01:43:24,040
Speaker 16: swahilia as a language because it's not it's not tied

1639
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:28,759
Speaker 16: to a particular ethnic, group and talking About Pan african

1640
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:31,800
Speaker 16: culture And Pan african, unity the one way to do

1641
01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:35,919
Speaker 16: that is to move people beyond their ethnic group itself

1642
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:40,360
Speaker 16: to embrace something that that that different groups can relate.

1643
01:43:40,439 --> 01:43:43,479
Speaker 16: To so there's no such thing as having one lingua

1644
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:48,719
Speaker 16: franca or one language For africa as an easy, task

1645
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:51,320
Speaker 16: because groups are not going to give up their original

1646
01:43:51,439 --> 01:43:55,080
Speaker 16: mother tongue to speak to mother group's. Language but With

1647
01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:58,080
Speaker 16: swahili is not tied to a particular ethnic, groups so

1648
01:43:58,160 --> 01:44:01,080
Speaker 16: it makes sense in The East african. Reason and If

1649
01:44:01,200 --> 01:44:04,720
Speaker 16: swahili could be made as a regional, language then that

1650
01:44:04,760 --> 01:44:08,479
Speaker 16: could be the basis for a much wider language spoken

1651
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:12,799
Speaker 16: on The african continent as opposed To french And english

1652
01:44:13,240 --> 01:44:17,479
Speaker 16: and the foreign. Languages So swahili has been embraced for

1653
01:44:18,240 --> 01:44:21,000
Speaker 16: very good reason because of the historical significance of that

1654
01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:24,559
Speaker 16: region and the great level of, trade but also because

1655
01:44:24,640 --> 01:44:27,200
Speaker 16: it can bring us towards. Unity AND i know from

1656
01:44:27,240 --> 01:44:30,680
Speaker 16: traveling on The african continent pretty. Frequently you definitely have

1657
01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:34,320
Speaker 16: a lot of internal divisions and conflict that has nothing

1658
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:37,120
Speaker 16: to do With, arabs that have nothing to do With.

1659
01:44:37,200 --> 01:44:41,440
Speaker 16: Europeans these are internal divisions that the great primary, researcher

1660
01:44:41,560 --> 01:44:44,960
Speaker 16: Doctor Chancell williams wrote about in The destruction Of Black

1661
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:49,879
Speaker 16: civilization after he did field research in twenty six countries

1662
01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:52,880
Speaker 16: and among one hundred and five different language groups back

1663
01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:57,800
Speaker 16: in the nineteen. Fifties So swahili holds some important keys for,

1664
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:00,000
Speaker 16: us and this is why it was A Central lane

1665
01:45:00,040 --> 01:45:02,479
Speaker 16: language and continues to be an important language in the

1666
01:45:02,640 --> 01:45:04,360
Speaker 16: Independent african schools around the.

1667
01:45:04,439 --> 01:45:08,000
Speaker 2: Country, yeah but do you ever see that it will

1668
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:08,479
Speaker 2: be The.

1669
01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:12,280
Speaker 1: Swili do you even see in these, countries these different

1670
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:16,200
Speaker 1: tribes very if you Will areas give up their language

1671
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:19,040
Speaker 1: or the dialects to Adopt. Swahili do you think that

1672
01:45:19,040 --> 01:45:20,080
Speaker 1: will ever happen on.

1673
01:45:20,120 --> 01:45:24,560
Speaker 16: The, Continent not anytime. Soon those that don't speak it

1674
01:45:24,680 --> 01:45:29,560
Speaker 16: now you know it's a language that's important for, Trade but,

1675
01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:33,120
Speaker 16: no it's very difficult for something like that to. Happen

1676
01:45:33,240 --> 01:45:35,680
Speaker 16: you Have swahili and The east who have you have

1677
01:45:35,800 --> 01:45:39,640
Speaker 16: other languages on The west Coast bambara and on The

1678
01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:43,400
Speaker 16: east where people speak that they understand, it but you,

1679
01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:46,280
Speaker 16: know but they're not going to just give up their traditional.

1680
01:45:46,360 --> 01:45:49,240
Speaker 16: Culture so one thing we'd have to look at is

1681
01:45:49,360 --> 01:45:53,280
Speaker 16: practical connections on The african, continent things that would link,

1682
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:58,600
Speaker 16: people like a road system or railway, system or an economic,

1683
01:45:58,720 --> 01:46:02,040
Speaker 16: grid things that would be very. Practical so that's where

1684
01:46:02,920 --> 01:46:05,000
Speaker 16: this kind of unity would have to take. Place but

1685
01:46:05,160 --> 01:46:10,280
Speaker 16: people are very particular about their, language and so it's

1686
01:46:10,360 --> 01:46:14,160
Speaker 16: a challenge in any, area in any language that people

1687
01:46:14,160 --> 01:46:18,680
Speaker 16: are not already using for communication and, trade to make

1688
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:21,840
Speaker 16: that the number of the main. Language this is why In,

1689
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:26,760
Speaker 16: ethiopia for, example the national language Is, amharic BUT i

1690
01:46:26,840 --> 01:46:29,880
Speaker 16: can tell you from direct experience even this past summer

1691
01:46:30,439 --> 01:46:32,040
Speaker 16: it's the same, old same mode.

1692
01:46:32,040 --> 01:46:33,519
Speaker 15: Via romo and all of the other.

1693
01:46:33,560 --> 01:46:36,680
Speaker 16: Groups they're not going to give up their language to

1694
01:46:37,560 --> 01:46:44,400
Speaker 16: make A romo to Make amharc the most important language for.

1695
01:46:44,520 --> 01:46:46,920
Speaker 16: Them they may speak am hard because it's a national

1696
01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:49,560
Speaker 16: language and they have to be able to, communicate but

1697
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:52,600
Speaker 16: when they're speaking among, themselves they speak their own indigenous,

1698
01:46:52,720 --> 01:46:55,800
Speaker 16: tongue their own indigenous. Language so this is one of

1699
01:46:55,880 --> 01:47:01,880
Speaker 16: the things that Allows african groups to maintain longevity because

1700
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:05,920
Speaker 16: they embraced their traditional culture that they've gotten from their

1701
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:09,280
Speaker 16: mother and their father and their grandparents and great. Grandparents

1702
01:47:09,680 --> 01:47:12,960
Speaker 16: but it also is a barrier of coming together as

1703
01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:17,120
Speaker 16: well because they're locked into their particular. Experiences so there's

1704
01:47:17,200 --> 01:47:20,599
Speaker 16: good and bad in. That so AND i know one

1705
01:47:20,680 --> 01:47:24,719
Speaker 16: of the brothers on my Toured ethiopia's past this past

1706
01:47:25,360 --> 01:47:28,519
Speaker 16: summer had a very difficult time of understanding what he

1707
01:47:28,760 --> 01:47:32,920
Speaker 16: was experiencing because his ideas that he's had it's a

1708
01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:36,320
Speaker 16: real good. Brother he's about almost, sixty real good. Brother

1709
01:47:36,439 --> 01:47:41,479
Speaker 16: but his ideas that he's always learned in The, states

1710
01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:44,959
Speaker 16: it ran into a conflict when he saw the reality

1711
01:47:45,640 --> 01:47:49,919
Speaker 16: Of africa on the. Ground, well heally is, important but people.

1712
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:52,479
Speaker 10: Have not made it a you, know a.

1713
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:57,200
Speaker 16: Number one language in the entire region or you, know

1714
01:47:57,280 --> 01:47:59,960
Speaker 16: all Of africa for the reasons That i'm referring. To

1715
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:03,000
Speaker 16: so this is what we have to understand About african

1716
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:06,280
Speaker 16: culture on the. Ground but for us to learn, languages

1717
01:48:06,640 --> 01:48:08,840
Speaker 16: it has, Value but it doesn't mean that they're all

1718
01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:11,040
Speaker 16: going to embrace it one there in and give up

1719
01:48:12,280 --> 01:48:15,479
Speaker 16: what they've adopted in their own particular.

1720
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:20,000
Speaker 1: Traditions sought right, There Professor, ampim we're gonna step aside

1721
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:21,200
Speaker 1: for a few mo sos we come back, there let's

1722
01:48:21,240 --> 01:48:24,240
Speaker 1: talk about the public news, Siteum Stolen artifacts and the

1723
01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:27,800
Speaker 1: fabrication Of african. History family call up a couple of

1724
01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:30,120
Speaker 1: friends Telling professor May new And pens on the. Radio

1725
01:48:30,160 --> 01:48:32,000
Speaker 1: they'll thank you for. It and if you got a

1726
01:48:32,080 --> 01:48:33,960
Speaker 1: question and want to reach him and anything about the,

1727
01:48:34,040 --> 01:48:36,479
Speaker 1: continent hit us up at eight hundred four or five

1728
01:48:36,640 --> 01:48:39,920
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take a phone

1729
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:42,519
Speaker 1: calls next And grant rising, family thanks are sticking with

1730
01:48:42,680 --> 01:48:44,320
Speaker 1: us on This tuesday. MORNING i guess it's one of

1731
01:48:44,360 --> 01:48:46,680
Speaker 1: our premier. Scholars professor man who and. Penmen if you

1732
01:48:46,760 --> 01:48:51,080
Speaker 1: may not, Know sampen was the scholar the discovery That

1733
01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:53,160
Speaker 1: Willy lynch that it was a fake and he out

1734
01:48:53,200 --> 01:48:55,240
Speaker 1: of the person who wrote. It but he's also done

1735
01:48:55,240 --> 01:48:57,479
Speaker 1: a lot of research on The african continent and it

1736
01:48:57,560 --> 01:48:59,720
Speaker 1: comes back and we traveled with him vicariously when he

1737
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:02,479
Speaker 1: tells these researchers and reports back to. Us, today we're

1738
01:49:02,479 --> 01:49:05,120
Speaker 1: going to talk about the Public, museum Stolen artifacts and

1739
01:49:05,200 --> 01:49:10,160
Speaker 1: the fabrication Of african. History So Professor, impen first of

1740
01:49:10,200 --> 01:49:12,600
Speaker 1: all the origin and there is a purpose of this

1741
01:49:12,720 --> 01:49:13,960
Speaker 1: public museum that you're talking.

1742
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:14,680
Speaker 2: About where is?

1743
01:49:14,760 --> 01:49:17,600
Speaker 15: It, well the.

1744
01:49:19,120 --> 01:49:20,200
Speaker 7: Public museum it.

1745
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:28,599
Speaker 16: Emerged In europe and so like In, britain for, example

1746
01:49:29,080 --> 01:49:32,960
Speaker 16: you have The British museum founded in around seventeen fifty,

1747
01:49:33,080 --> 01:49:38,240
Speaker 16: nine so it's the mid eighteenth, century and so you

1748
01:49:38,360 --> 01:49:41,679
Speaker 16: had collections that were being formed In. Europe The british

1749
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:46,479
Speaker 16: are among the greatest, thieves you. Know The British, museum for,

1750
01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:51,080
Speaker 16: example has over eight million artifacts and it's called it,

1751
01:49:51,200 --> 01:49:55,840
Speaker 16: accurately it's stolen. Artifacts but the public museum really arised

1752
01:49:55,920 --> 01:49:59,800
Speaker 16: out of out of theft around the world and. Colonialism

1753
01:50:00,240 --> 01:50:02,960
Speaker 16: it's not like people were giving up sacred objects from

1754
01:50:03,040 --> 01:50:07,720
Speaker 16: their traditional homeland and give to foreigners and. Strangers these

1755
01:50:07,840 --> 01:50:13,120
Speaker 16: artifacts were taken during war and, theft so these became

1756
01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:16,479
Speaker 16: so the public museum became a real phenomenon in the

1757
01:50:16,520 --> 01:50:19,600
Speaker 16: eighteenth century and as a result of that you have

1758
01:50:19,720 --> 01:50:21,960
Speaker 16: these great, collections not only In, europe but you can

1759
01:50:22,040 --> 01:50:26,160
Speaker 16: look at The Metropolitan museum In New york and other big,

1760
01:50:26,280 --> 01:50:29,920
Speaker 16: collections and it's based on what they stole and what they,

1761
01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:34,719
Speaker 16: bought on what they bought in the underground. Market because

1762
01:50:34,760 --> 01:50:37,800
Speaker 16: a lot of the artifacts that are still being sold

1763
01:50:37,880 --> 01:50:41,439
Speaker 16: in the underground. Market they're being stolen even now to

1764
01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:46,080
Speaker 16: feed these large collections that develop in the context of

1765
01:50:46,160 --> 01:50:48,960
Speaker 16: colonialism and. Theft and you have some of the greatest

1766
01:50:49,040 --> 01:50:53,840
Speaker 16: artifacts anywhere in the world in these. Collections SO i

1767
01:50:53,960 --> 01:50:59,960
Speaker 16: mean to have a collection of items and material artifacts

1768
01:51:00,160 --> 01:51:03,439
Speaker 16: is one, thing but we're talking about a public collection

1769
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:06,840
Speaker 16: where the public goes views these objects and they pay

1770
01:51:07,400 --> 01:51:11,280
Speaker 16: for their enjoyment and. Entertainment this is A european. Phenomena

1771
01:51:12,640 --> 01:51:16,880
Speaker 16: Certainly africans had important areas like Shrink i've been to

1772
01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:21,360
Speaker 16: different shrines and important locations where there are artifacts for

1773
01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:24,960
Speaker 16: rituals and, ceremonies but that's not for the. Public that's

1774
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:28,920
Speaker 16: for the most important ceremonies and. Rituals and so there's

1775
01:51:28,920 --> 01:51:32,839
Speaker 16: a fundamental distinction having a small collection that are based

1776
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:38,439
Speaker 16: on cultural ceremonies and rituals versus a public. Museum so

1777
01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:43,040
Speaker 16: this this originates out Of Western, europe and this is

1778
01:51:43,120 --> 01:51:47,799
Speaker 16: what is being now presented as one of the greatest teaching.

1779
01:51:48,040 --> 01:51:49,439
Speaker 7: Institutions so a lot of.

1780
01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:52,160
Speaker 16: Us will have concerns with the carl that you know

1781
01:51:52,280 --> 01:51:55,559
Speaker 16: that we're miseducated and misinformed in the schools or. Books

1782
01:51:55,960 --> 01:51:58,560
Speaker 16: far more than that one thing that black, folks AND

1783
01:51:59,680 --> 01:52:03,599
Speaker 16: i say that folks who Are latino as, well there's

1784
01:52:03,600 --> 01:52:07,960
Speaker 16: there's Many latino folks here In, california and both communities don't.

1785
01:52:08,040 --> 01:52:11,840
Speaker 16: Understand it's far more than that that the. Public once

1786
01:52:11,920 --> 01:52:15,360
Speaker 16: people finish, school whether it's high, school and, some you,

1787
01:52:15,400 --> 01:52:17,799
Speaker 16: know small percentage of us may go on to. College

1788
01:52:18,240 --> 01:52:21,920
Speaker 16: but what folks don't typically understand is the great you,

1789
01:52:22,000 --> 01:52:25,280
Speaker 16: know one of the greatest institutions to teach in, fact

1790
01:52:25,360 --> 01:52:29,240
Speaker 16: misinformed people is the public. Museum and that's one of

1791
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:33,080
Speaker 16: the key institutions of. Misrepresentation so this is why we

1792
01:52:33,160 --> 01:52:34,360
Speaker 16: should look at the.

1793
01:52:35,880 --> 01:52:36,200
Speaker 7: Public.

1794
01:52:36,320 --> 01:52:38,559
Speaker 16: Museum AND i would say that many of us don't

1795
01:52:38,600 --> 01:52:42,200
Speaker 16: go to. Museums we don't have a good experience because

1796
01:52:42,680 --> 01:52:46,320
Speaker 16: the displays are not for. Us so black folks typically

1797
01:52:46,400 --> 01:52:50,720
Speaker 16: have a bad experience or they don't go because you,

1798
01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:54,120
Speaker 16: know they don't see it as a viable. Profession and

1799
01:52:54,240 --> 01:52:56,599
Speaker 16: so this is what happens when there's been exhibits here

1800
01:52:57,120 --> 01:52:59,560
Speaker 16: at the De Young museum In San, francisco there was

1801
01:52:59,600 --> 01:53:03,400
Speaker 16: a king to a common, exhibit AND i was taking

1802
01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:05,840
Speaker 16: one group after another after, another AND i REMEMBER i

1803
01:53:05,960 --> 01:53:10,240
Speaker 16: was taking some first graders AND i got a tap

1804
01:53:10,320 --> 01:53:13,040
Speaker 16: on the shoulder when we were about maybe two thirds

1805
01:53:13,160 --> 01:53:13,920
Speaker 16: done going.

1806
01:53:13,840 --> 01:53:15,479
Speaker 10: Through the, exhibit AND i turned.

1807
01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:19,880
Speaker 16: Around it was a security security, guard looked cheapest and

1808
01:53:20,200 --> 01:53:23,519
Speaker 16: a little bit embarrassed to tell me that there had

1809
01:53:23,600 --> 01:53:29,160
Speaker 16: been a complaint that we were blocking the. WALKWAY i said,

1810
01:53:29,280 --> 01:53:32,760
Speaker 16: what and he walked. Up he can see that these

1811
01:53:32,840 --> 01:53:36,640
Speaker 16: young people were. DISCIPLINED i give a respect to the,

1812
01:53:36,760 --> 01:53:41,280
Speaker 16: Teacher Sister muhammad and others for making sure these young

1813
01:53:41,320 --> 01:53:44,000
Speaker 16: people were disciplined and they were. Focused AND i, said

1814
01:53:44,040 --> 01:53:44,639
Speaker 16: what are you talking?

1815
01:53:44,680 --> 01:53:45,360
Speaker 10: About what it?

1816
01:53:45,600 --> 01:53:49,080
Speaker 16: Was it wasn't so much we were blocking anyone's walkway or,

1817
01:53:49,160 --> 01:53:51,920
Speaker 16: access because my rule is stay close so people can

1818
01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:54,920
Speaker 16: walk behind us or wherever they're, going and there's no.

1819
01:53:55,040 --> 01:53:57,360
Speaker 16: Complaints what it was is that they didn't like WHAT

1820
01:53:57,520 --> 01:54:01,160
Speaker 16: i was sharing because my insight in predicted the audio

1821
01:54:01,280 --> 01:54:04,519
Speaker 16: headset propaganda that they were. Learning but these are the

1822
01:54:04,680 --> 01:54:08,320
Speaker 16: kind of experiences that we have That i'm not. Yelling

1823
01:54:08,560 --> 01:54:11,240
Speaker 16: i'm talking with great authority BECAUSE i Know i've studied

1824
01:54:11,479 --> 01:54:16,000
Speaker 16: a million artifacts dealing with classical chemic SO i know

1825
01:54:16,200 --> 01:54:18,680
Speaker 16: WHAT i know from my primary, Research So i'm not

1826
01:54:18,880 --> 01:54:22,160
Speaker 16: Guessing i'm not whispering if somebody wants to join, us

1827
01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:25,320
Speaker 16: join in to. Learn and SOMETIMES i do speak a

1828
01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:28,000
Speaker 16: little louder when the opponent is around BECAUSE i want

1829
01:54:28,080 --> 01:54:31,640
Speaker 16: them to publicly say, something because that allows me to

1830
01:54:31,800 --> 01:54:34,800
Speaker 16: teach in front of the. Artifacts there's no better place

1831
01:54:34,880 --> 01:54:37,280
Speaker 16: to teach than in front of the, artifacts whether they're

1832
01:54:37,320 --> 01:54:39,240
Speaker 16: in a museum or out in the. Field so we

1833
01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:42,200
Speaker 16: don't have good, experiences and so we don't typically go

1834
01:54:42,320 --> 01:54:45,520
Speaker 16: and let, somebody particularly markets to black. Folks they, say,

1835
01:54:45,600 --> 01:54:48,440
Speaker 16: look come to The Boston museum Of Fine arts because

1836
01:54:48,760 --> 01:54:52,400
Speaker 16: we have a new being, exhibit and then people will,

1837
01:54:52,400 --> 01:54:54,520
Speaker 16: go but they don't go on their own unless there's

1838
01:54:54,520 --> 01:54:57,760
Speaker 16: this kind of specific. Marketing so the public museum is

1839
01:54:57,920 --> 01:55:01,600
Speaker 16: out of our, eye but it should befronting, center and

1840
01:55:01,760 --> 01:55:03,760
Speaker 16: that's the second home for. Me this is WHY i

1841
01:55:03,800 --> 01:55:08,120
Speaker 16: can see how it is that the public museum is

1842
01:55:08,200 --> 01:55:12,760
Speaker 16: a place of great misinformation and, propaganda and we typically

1843
01:55:12,840 --> 01:55:15,600
Speaker 16: are not the ones who are there to absorb all of,

1844
01:55:15,720 --> 01:55:21,800
Speaker 16: it but the general public learns how to how to

1845
01:55:22,160 --> 01:55:27,800
Speaker 16: learn misinformation and at our. Dispense you'll see artifaction of

1846
01:55:27,840 --> 01:55:30,920
Speaker 16: An african civilization and the way in which they are

1847
01:55:31,080 --> 01:55:38,320
Speaker 16: described is absolutely. Absurd just one quick, example The Queen hatchipst.

1848
01:55:38,440 --> 01:55:41,440
Speaker 16: Exhibit there was exhibit also at The Young museum In San.

1849
01:55:41,480 --> 01:55:44,880
Speaker 16: Francisco it was in Tiles is two thousand and, five

1850
01:55:44,960 --> 01:55:48,440
Speaker 16: two thousand and, six and people from all over the

1851
01:55:48,480 --> 01:55:51,720
Speaker 16: region were contacted me The bay area to see IF

1852
01:55:51,720 --> 01:55:53,680
Speaker 16: i can help or lead them to the.

1853
01:55:53,800 --> 01:55:54,480
Speaker 10: EXHIBIT i was.

1854
01:55:55,000 --> 01:55:57,320
Speaker 16: NAIVE i thought that only a, few you, know one

1855
01:55:57,440 --> 01:55:58,520
Speaker 16: or two tours that would be.

1856
01:55:58,600 --> 01:55:58,840
Speaker 6: It but.

1857
01:55:58,960 --> 01:56:02,600
Speaker 16: No people kept going and the exhibit was Hatchip sit

1858
01:56:02,720 --> 01:56:05,400
Speaker 16: From queen To. Pharaoh and as soon as you got

1859
01:56:05,480 --> 01:56:10,480
Speaker 16: into the museum's this huge placard had said that Of

1860
01:56:10,680 --> 01:56:15,800
Speaker 16: queen all of Hatchip set's statues of her as a

1861
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:19,960
Speaker 16: ruler were destroyed by her steps and most of the

1862
01:56:20,080 --> 01:56:21,960
Speaker 16: Third SO i told the, people take a look at.

1863
01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:24,960
Speaker 16: This you see, it you read, it and look how

1864
01:56:25,000 --> 01:56:27,919
Speaker 16: absurd it. Is if all of her statues were destroyed

1865
01:56:28,040 --> 01:56:32,000
Speaker 16: as a female, ruler then we wouldn't even be in an.

1866
01:56:32,200 --> 01:56:34,640
Speaker 16: Exhibit look at all those statues around her as a,

1867
01:56:34,760 --> 01:56:37,640
Speaker 16: ruler that female. Ruler but this is the kind of

1868
01:56:37,680 --> 01:56:40,760
Speaker 16: thing that's perpetrated in front of the public that doesn't

1869
01:56:40,800 --> 01:56:42,960
Speaker 16: make any sense. Whatsoever this is why we have to

1870
01:56:43,000 --> 01:56:46,720
Speaker 16: have guided, tours because you're seeing one thing and reading

1871
01:56:46,840 --> 01:56:49,160
Speaker 16: something totally different as put together by the.

1872
01:56:49,240 --> 01:56:50,240
Speaker 7: Museum so the.

1873
01:56:50,280 --> 01:56:54,360
Speaker 16: Public museum always has an angle and mini angles of

1874
01:56:54,440 --> 01:56:58,240
Speaker 16: distortion and, misrepresentation and we're not always there to get.

1875
01:56:58,280 --> 01:57:01,080
Speaker 16: It and then when we do, go we don't always

1876
01:57:01,160 --> 01:57:04,760
Speaker 16: have the experience to really see the contradictions in. Writing

1877
01:57:05,040 --> 01:57:09,000
Speaker 16: but it's the general public that's the target of of

1878
01:57:09,360 --> 01:57:14,040
Speaker 16: of of these museum displays and the. Misinformation so the

1879
01:57:14,120 --> 01:57:17,560
Speaker 16: public museum has been a tragic place because of the

1880
01:57:17,760 --> 01:57:21,400
Speaker 16: theft and the misinformation of the artifacts that have been.

1881
01:57:21,440 --> 01:57:24,760
Speaker 1: Stolen all right thirty at the top Of Professor. Man

1882
01:57:25,280 --> 01:57:27,560
Speaker 1: But PROFESSOR mp And i've Been i've been to one In.

1883
01:57:27,640 --> 01:57:30,760
Speaker 1: Egypt i've been to several museums as. Well but if

1884
01:57:30,840 --> 01:57:34,000
Speaker 1: you don't have a person like yourself Or quasi Or

1885
01:57:34,400 --> 01:57:38,200
Speaker 1: Tony browner or the late Doctor Ronoka rashidi to explain

1886
01:57:38,240 --> 01:57:39,560
Speaker 1: what we're, seeing we don't know what we're looking.

1887
01:57:39,600 --> 01:57:42,760
Speaker 7: At that's. True that's.

1888
01:57:42,800 --> 01:57:45,800
Speaker 16: True that that's that's absolutely. True you, know somebody had

1889
01:57:45,960 --> 01:57:48,040
Speaker 16: asked me a, question one of the brothers on my

1890
01:57:48,240 --> 01:57:50,920
Speaker 16: tour two years. Ago he had asked a question THAT

1891
01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:53,400
Speaker 16: i really hadn't thought about too, much he, said, professor

1892
01:57:53,480 --> 01:57:57,200
Speaker 16: do you uh? Lead he asked me IF i IF

1893
01:57:57,240 --> 01:57:59,520
Speaker 16: i IF i lead other tours or something like. THAT

1894
01:58:00,720 --> 01:58:02,520
Speaker 16: i hadn't really thought about, THAT i, see you know,

1895
01:58:02,600 --> 01:58:07,320
Speaker 16: what excellent. Question and BECAUSE i had not really thought

1896
01:58:07,360 --> 01:58:11,320
Speaker 16: about even THOUGH i have led tours to In New york,

1897
01:58:11,400 --> 01:58:14,080
Speaker 16: before or one, tour that is that to have a

1898
01:58:14,160 --> 01:58:19,200
Speaker 16: domestic tour so that people could could actually more people

1899
01:58:19,320 --> 01:58:22,200
Speaker 16: can fit it into their schedule and it's more. Affordable

1900
01:58:22,560 --> 01:58:24,520
Speaker 16: but you can stay in places Like New york for

1901
01:58:24,600 --> 01:58:29,160
Speaker 16: two days and get incredible. Insight so it's very difficult

1902
01:58:29,280 --> 01:58:35,760
Speaker 16: because we don't really have a culture of a museum.

1903
01:58:36,560 --> 01:58:39,760
Speaker 16: Visitors so you're. Right without a group of brothers or

1904
01:58:40,720 --> 01:58:42,800
Speaker 16: a few brothers or, sisters there's not a lot of.

1905
01:58:42,880 --> 01:58:44,120
Speaker 7: Options this is.

1906
01:58:44,160 --> 01:58:48,280
Speaker 16: WHY i wrote a series. Back this was more than

1907
01:58:48,320 --> 01:58:52,920
Speaker 16: twenty years, ago the vanishing evidence of Classical african. Civilizations

1908
01:58:53,400 --> 01:58:56,480
Speaker 16: And i've went through all of the rules that a

1909
01:58:56,640 --> 01:58:59,560
Speaker 16: person should know and understand when they go to, museums

1910
01:59:00,200 --> 01:59:03,920
Speaker 16: and so this is very. SIGNIFICANT i love to give

1911
01:59:04,000 --> 01:59:08,080
Speaker 16: people the insight that they need to. Have for, example

1912
01:59:08,560 --> 01:59:12,280
Speaker 16: it's very clear without talking to the audience this. Morning,

1913
01:59:12,480 --> 01:59:14,720
Speaker 16: DIRECTLY i know that a lot of people who are

1914
01:59:14,760 --> 01:59:18,520
Speaker 16: generally familiar with artifacts from let's, say from Kimm in

1915
01:59:18,760 --> 01:59:23,840
Speaker 16: Or push that they would say that most of the

1916
01:59:23,960 --> 01:59:27,600
Speaker 16: statues in terms of. DAMAGE i would ask where would

1917
01:59:27,720 --> 01:59:29,200
Speaker 16: most of the namas be and they would, say the

1918
01:59:29,320 --> 01:59:32,440
Speaker 16: noses are knocked. Off, yeah you're right to a, degree

1919
01:59:32,880 --> 01:59:35,840
Speaker 16: the noses being knocked out of off of. Statues that

1920
01:59:36,000 --> 01:59:39,720
Speaker 16: is part of the de africanization. Process but there's far

1921
01:59:39,960 --> 01:59:43,240
Speaker 16: more statues they're the noses that the noses have been

1922
01:59:43,360 --> 01:59:49,800
Speaker 16: reshaped and recarved and uh and made to be thinner

1923
01:59:50,440 --> 01:59:54,400
Speaker 16: like an. Aquiline, No so there's far more standing and

1924
01:59:55,200 --> 01:59:59,680
Speaker 16: behind the scenes work by conspirators to change the ratio

1925
02:00:00,040 --> 02:00:03,040
Speaker 16: parents than statues where noses are knocked. Off it's just

1926
02:00:03,160 --> 02:00:07,040
Speaker 16: that noses being knocked off are far more. Obvious So

1927
02:00:07,280 --> 02:00:11,560
Speaker 16: i'll spend hours looking at one, artifact one statue and

1928
02:00:11,640 --> 02:00:15,160
Speaker 16: mortar to make sure THAT i can see every angle

1929
02:00:15,280 --> 02:00:20,160
Speaker 16: that the conspirators have been operating from behind the. Scenes

1930
02:00:20,320 --> 02:00:24,280
Speaker 16: so these are statues and artifacts that have been doctored

1931
02:00:24,480 --> 02:00:31,080
Speaker 16: up and de africanized after discovery in modern times by, archaeologists,

1932
02:00:31,720 --> 02:00:39,360
Speaker 16: egyptologists museum, curators museum officials and the restorationists at these,

1933
02:00:39,440 --> 02:00:45,360
Speaker 16: museums BECAUSE i have before and after photographs when they first,

1934
02:00:45,520 --> 02:00:49,320
Speaker 16: excavate there's excavation, photographs and then you see the photographs

1935
02:00:49,800 --> 02:00:54,080
Speaker 16: of these same artifacts after they are doctored up behind the,

1936
02:00:54,160 --> 02:00:57,160
Speaker 16: scenes or you can see you see it in the,

1937
02:00:57,200 --> 02:00:59,880
Speaker 16: photographs or you see it at the museum. Itself it's night.

1938
02:01:00,200 --> 02:01:03,040
Speaker 16: Day but because people are not looking at this from

1939
02:01:03,280 --> 02:01:06,760
Speaker 16: the angle That i'm, sharing the propagandas have been doing

1940
02:01:06,880 --> 02:01:10,520
Speaker 16: this for, generations so there's far more statues that the

1941
02:01:10,760 --> 02:01:15,640
Speaker 16: colors have been erased from the. Paint colors representing skin

1942
02:01:15,760 --> 02:01:20,960
Speaker 16: tone have been systematically, Erased noses have been, reshaped lips

1943
02:01:21,000 --> 02:01:25,480
Speaker 16: have been, reshaped eye colors have been, removed so that

1944
02:01:25,560 --> 02:01:29,400
Speaker 16: when you're looking at a, statue particularly let's say from Classical,

1945
02:01:29,520 --> 02:01:35,000
Speaker 16: chemic most of the statues are carved on, limestone and

1946
02:01:35,160 --> 02:01:38,600
Speaker 16: limestone is a white. Stone so when all of the

1947
02:01:38,880 --> 02:01:43,320
Speaker 16: dark paint representing skin tone is, stripped all the visitors

1948
02:01:43,400 --> 02:01:48,280
Speaker 16: looking at is a statue that looks quote, white because

1949
02:01:48,320 --> 02:01:52,120
Speaker 16: they're looking at the limestone where the paint on top

1950
02:01:52,160 --> 02:01:55,840
Speaker 16: of the limestone has been. Stripped so unless people receive

1951
02:01:56,040 --> 02:01:59,080
Speaker 16: training on this to your, point they're not going to

1952
02:01:59,160 --> 02:02:01,560
Speaker 16: see it because not a casual way that you can

1953
02:02:01,720 --> 02:02:08,800
Speaker 16: just understand. This i'm dealing with literally studying over a million.

1954
02:02:08,960 --> 02:02:11,880
Speaker 16: Artifacts AND i started this back in nineteen eighty nine

1955
02:02:11,960 --> 02:02:14,760
Speaker 16: and ninety WHEN i lived In europe and went Throughout

1956
02:02:14,840 --> 02:02:19,640
Speaker 16: europe to do first hand research and, museums institutes and

1957
02:02:19,720 --> 02:02:22,800
Speaker 16: libraries Throughout. Europe SO i was living In, ENGLAND i

1958
02:02:22,880 --> 02:02:29,919
Speaker 16: went To, Germany East, germany In West. Germany now They're Won, Germany, Austria, Italy, Spain, France, Belgium,

1959
02:02:30,080 --> 02:02:33,600
Speaker 16: Holland denmark And. Sweden so with that, background THEN i

1960
02:02:33,680 --> 02:02:37,120
Speaker 16: started to do the systematic work on The african continent

1961
02:02:37,400 --> 02:02:40,600
Speaker 16: starting In chemic and that's Why i've been able to

1962
02:02:41,240 --> 02:02:45,520
Speaker 16: expose not just statues and images and artifacts that have

1963
02:02:45,600 --> 02:02:50,120
Speaker 16: been De africanized in other, words their facial and racial

1964
02:02:50,160 --> 02:02:54,480
Speaker 16: appearance have, changed but there's outright forgeries statues that have

1965
02:02:54,600 --> 02:02:57,800
Speaker 16: been created by the hands of modern man and they're.

1966
02:02:57,640 --> 02:03:00,360
Speaker 7: Not Ancient african. STATUES i know.

1967
02:03:01,080 --> 02:03:03,360
Speaker 16: That, uh so this is WHY i can see. This

1968
02:03:03,680 --> 02:03:06,960
Speaker 16: so unless people are getting the, training, uh they're not

1969
02:03:07,160 --> 02:03:10,160
Speaker 16: really going to. Know but at least at least if

1970
02:03:10,200 --> 02:03:13,440
Speaker 16: people are, aware then they can you, know begin to ask.

1971
02:03:13,600 --> 02:03:17,200
Speaker 16: Questions And i've done this online with My facebook, account

1972
02:03:17,360 --> 02:03:20,240
Speaker 16: but also, UH i was really. Pleased last YEAR i

1973
02:03:20,400 --> 02:03:23,200
Speaker 16: was IN i was in The netherlands AND i took

1974
02:03:23,240 --> 02:03:25,600
Speaker 16: people to The National national uh.

1975
02:03:27,400 --> 02:03:27,680
Speaker 7: The The.

1976
02:03:30,400 --> 02:03:38,880
Speaker 16: National UH A museum there in uh and uh in

1977
02:03:39,040 --> 02:03:42,400
Speaker 16: light And, holland and the people were really. Amazed SO

1978
02:03:42,480 --> 02:03:44,480
Speaker 16: i gave them a test on the, spot take a

1979
02:03:44,520 --> 02:03:48,800
Speaker 16: look at, it what do you? Notice and they mentioned some,

1980
02:03:48,920 --> 02:03:53,080
Speaker 16: things but they didn't notice the microscopic chips all around

1981
02:03:53,160 --> 02:03:57,440
Speaker 16: the knows to clearly indicate that the modern museum officials

1982
02:03:58,120 --> 02:04:02,160
Speaker 16: have changed the race show appearance of the. Statue so

1983
02:04:02,280 --> 02:04:05,320
Speaker 16: WHAT i did WAS i zoomed in with my phone

1984
02:04:05,520 --> 02:04:08,280
Speaker 16: so that they can see those microscopic, chips all of

1985
02:04:08,360 --> 02:04:11,560
Speaker 16: the scratch. MARKS i, said why the hell is the face?

1986
02:04:12,440 --> 02:04:17,280
Speaker 16: Smooth the entire statue was, smooth but right around the nose,

1987
02:04:17,400 --> 02:04:21,560
Speaker 16: area look at all of the markings and. Scrapes AND i,

1988
02:04:21,640 --> 02:04:24,520
Speaker 16: said now with, that since you can see, it, now

1989
02:04:24,680 --> 02:04:26,560
Speaker 16: stand back a few feet and you can see the

1990
02:04:26,680 --> 02:04:29,520
Speaker 16: noses out of proportion with the. Face but this takes

1991
02:04:29,640 --> 02:04:33,120
Speaker 16: hours and hours of. Study so it's not just. Books

1992
02:04:33,360 --> 02:04:36,280
Speaker 16: as many of our people in our. Community think it's

1993
02:04:36,400 --> 02:04:39,840
Speaker 16: far more than. That there's far more people being miseducated

1994
02:04:40,280 --> 02:04:42,280
Speaker 16: and misdirected by the.

1995
02:04:42,400 --> 02:04:44,640
Speaker 1: Public, OH i thought right. There we got to step

1996
02:04:44,680 --> 02:04:46,040
Speaker 1: aside for a few, months So i'll let you. FINISH

1997
02:04:46,120 --> 02:04:48,600
Speaker 1: i thought we'd come back, though tell us if if

1998
02:04:48,640 --> 02:04:51,480
Speaker 1: this is organized, us it's just different, countries different museums

1999
02:04:51,520 --> 02:04:54,640
Speaker 1: and doing this or this organized structure saying, hey we

2000
02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:58,160
Speaker 1: go on to deafriganize all These african artifacts to make

2001
02:04:58,200 --> 02:05:01,760
Speaker 1: it seem that our answers to didn't do anything to

2002
02:05:01,840 --> 02:05:03,920
Speaker 1: the credit to where we are. TODAY i let you

2003
02:05:03,960 --> 02:05:05,680
Speaker 1: explain that when we get back as. Well, family you

2004
02:05:05,760 --> 02:05:08,120
Speaker 1: got a question about what the conversation we're having With

2005
02:05:08,200 --> 02:05:10,440
Speaker 1: professor may and NEW. Mpm reach out to us at

2006
02:05:10,440 --> 02:05:13,680
Speaker 1: eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy. Station

2007
02:05:13,760 --> 02:05:16,320
Speaker 1: we'll take your phone calls next and Grand rising, family

2008
02:05:16,400 --> 02:05:18,280
Speaker 1: thanks are staying with us on This tuesday, morning our

2009
02:05:18,320 --> 02:05:21,040
Speaker 1: Guest Professor man New ampin out Of contracrost The college

2010
02:05:21,280 --> 02:05:24,360
Speaker 1: In Northern, california discussing the The african.

2011
02:05:24,440 --> 02:05:25,880
Speaker 2: Nation if you, will of some.

2012
02:05:26,000 --> 02:05:29,240
Speaker 1: Of these, Artifacts african artifacts in these museums and what

2013
02:05:29,320 --> 02:05:31,080
Speaker 1: it means for. Us we're kind of seeing the same thing,

2014
02:05:31,160 --> 02:05:33,000
Speaker 1: here but we're doing on a different level in this.

2015
02:05:33,120 --> 02:05:35,800
Speaker 1: Country they're trying to erase everything that's black or everything

2016
02:05:35,800 --> 02:05:38,080
Speaker 1: That's african to. Us so we're going to talk about

2017
02:05:38,400 --> 02:05:40,000
Speaker 1: what's going to happen if we allow all of this

2018
02:05:40,120 --> 02:05:42,720
Speaker 1: to continue to not just here but just. Worldwide what

2019
02:05:42,800 --> 02:05:44,200
Speaker 1: are your thoughts you want to speak to? Him reach

2020
02:05:44,240 --> 02:05:46,080
Speaker 1: out to us at eight hundred four or five zero

2021
02:05:46,560 --> 02:05:49,320
Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy. Six and before we go back To Professor,

2022
02:05:49,400 --> 02:05:51,760
Speaker 1: ampims who remind you coming up in the next few,

2023
02:05:51,800 --> 02:05:53,520
Speaker 1: days you're going to hear from a civil rights, actor

2024
02:05:53,560 --> 02:05:56,240
Speaker 1: this Brother Willie. Rix brother will looks inform me to

2025
02:05:56,480 --> 02:05:59,760
Speaker 1: help perform a snak With Stokey carmichael And aqua Me

2026
02:05:59,840 --> 02:06:02,600
Speaker 1: to and he also march With kwame and also with

2027
02:06:03,920 --> 02:06:06,720
Speaker 1: Doctor king in march With Marion. Barry all those folks

2028
02:06:06,720 --> 02:06:09,640
Speaker 1: who are involved In johns folks are involved In, Snake

2029
02:06:09,680 --> 02:06:11,840
Speaker 1: so it'll be here tell his. Story, Also Sister Pam

2030
02:06:11,880 --> 02:06:14,040
Speaker 1: africa will join us as well to discuss the recent

2031
02:06:14,160 --> 02:06:19,640
Speaker 1: march for Mum Abou jamal and holistic doctor and traditional.

2032
02:06:19,720 --> 02:06:21,720
Speaker 1: Doctor you get. Both and if you have a health,

2033
02:06:21,800 --> 02:06:24,040
Speaker 1: challenge please speak to DOCTOR a she's gonna join. Us

2034
02:06:24,280 --> 02:06:28,040
Speaker 1: and Also Elisha, SHABBAZ i should, say Doctor Elisha, shabbaz

2035
02:06:28,080 --> 02:06:30,240
Speaker 1: That's malcolm's. Daughter she's going to be here as. Well

2036
02:06:30,520 --> 02:06:32,720
Speaker 1: so if you are In, baltimore keep you, ready locked

2037
02:06:32,760 --> 02:06:34,960
Speaker 1: in tight on ten ten w. Welb or if you're

2038
02:06:34,960 --> 02:06:38,160
Speaker 1: in THE, tmv we'round fourteen fifty W L all, Right

2039
02:06:38,760 --> 02:06:42,560
Speaker 1: professor m, Pim, so how do you know? What because

2040
02:06:42,600 --> 02:06:45,240
Speaker 1: you've seen before and after. Pictures you know many of

2041
02:06:45,320 --> 02:06:47,800
Speaker 1: us have not seen the before. Pictures how can we

2042
02:06:47,920 --> 02:06:49,320
Speaker 1: know if we're getting?

2043
02:06:49,360 --> 02:06:55,640
Speaker 16: DUPED i would say make a careful assessment and not

2044
02:06:56,000 --> 02:07:00,840
Speaker 16: just assume that what you see is, reality because the

2045
02:07:01,000 --> 02:07:04,920
Speaker 16: vast number of artifacts have been dotted, up changed and de.

2046
02:07:05,120 --> 02:07:08,160
Speaker 16: Africanized Because i've heard a lot of people who are

2047
02:07:08,400 --> 02:07:14,160
Speaker 16: generally informed dismiss statues as some white boy or something like,

2048
02:07:14,280 --> 02:07:16,800
Speaker 16: that or somebody Non, african and all they're looking at

2049
02:07:17,480 --> 02:07:21,600
Speaker 16: is An african image that has been systematically stripped of

2050
02:07:21,760 --> 02:07:26,640
Speaker 16: the dark paint representing the black or brown skin, tone

2051
02:07:26,880 --> 02:07:30,760
Speaker 16: and they're looking at white. Limestone so they buy into. Us, no, no,

2052
02:07:30,840 --> 02:07:33,480
Speaker 16: no my brother or, sister take a closer. Look let

2053
02:07:33,520 --> 02:07:37,120
Speaker 16: me show, you and you can usually see spots and

2054
02:07:37,280 --> 02:07:41,200
Speaker 16: traces of the original paint around the, face around the.

2055
02:07:41,280 --> 02:07:42,240
Speaker 7: Neck and so.

2056
02:07:42,440 --> 02:07:45,720
Speaker 16: Forth but you really can see more of the original

2057
02:07:45,880 --> 02:07:50,880
Speaker 16: dark paint around the, feet, ankles and. Legs SO i

2058
02:07:51,040 --> 02:07:55,440
Speaker 16: call it the dark, legs dark legs colorless face, phenomena

2059
02:07:55,920 --> 02:07:58,720
Speaker 16: the dark legs colorless face phenomenal because when you look

2060
02:07:58,760 --> 02:08:01,560
Speaker 16: at a lot of the, statues the conspirators are not

2061
02:08:01,840 --> 02:08:06,680
Speaker 16: concerned with stripping paint down by the feeding, ankles because

2062
02:08:06,880 --> 02:08:11,760
Speaker 16: hardly anybody pays attention to. That they look at the upper,

2063
02:08:11,840 --> 02:08:14,280
Speaker 16: body in the. Face and the reason WHY i know

2064
02:08:14,440 --> 02:08:18,480
Speaker 16: THAT i will stay in a gallery for hours not

2065
02:08:18,720 --> 02:08:22,560
Speaker 16: just study the, artifacts but almost as if equally, important

2066
02:08:22,640 --> 02:08:25,880
Speaker 16: study the people that are going into the gallery looking

2067
02:08:25,960 --> 02:08:28,400
Speaker 16: at the, artifacts SO i can see what the effect.

2068
02:08:28,600 --> 02:08:32,520
Speaker 16: Is and it's amazing how one person after another they

2069
02:08:32,640 --> 02:08:35,920
Speaker 16: do exactly the same. Thing you, know if you have

2070
02:08:36,080 --> 02:08:39,560
Speaker 16: a gallery room that maybe have thirty five forty, objects

2071
02:08:39,840 --> 02:08:44,640
Speaker 16: and there's a number of galleries there's with, artifacts there's artifacts.

2072
02:08:44,240 --> 02:08:44,640
Speaker 10: In the main.

2073
02:08:44,840 --> 02:08:47,920
Speaker 16: Halls to get to the different gallery, rooms you don't

2074
02:08:47,960 --> 02:08:50,960
Speaker 16: have time to really pay too much. Attention So i'll

2075
02:08:51,000 --> 02:08:54,240
Speaker 16: tell people take a close, look understand the. Surface that's

2076
02:08:54,360 --> 02:08:56,840
Speaker 16: that's being, used but take a close look at the paint.

2077
02:08:56,960 --> 02:08:59,640
Speaker 16: Pattern and like when you go to The Grant Egyptian,

2078
02:08:59,720 --> 02:09:04,600
Speaker 16: museum the one that just opened last month In giza

2079
02:09:04,640 --> 02:09:09,680
Speaker 16: near the, pyramids this is a modern propaganda, museum spent

2080
02:09:09,840 --> 02:09:14,080
Speaker 16: over about one point one billion to mislead the. Public

2081
02:09:14,360 --> 02:09:17,320
Speaker 16: and when you go into the main, atrium the main,

2082
02:09:17,480 --> 02:09:21,880
Speaker 16: room that's where the misrepresentation. Starts so if somebody sees

2083
02:09:21,920 --> 02:09:25,160
Speaker 16: a huge statue Of ramsey's the second the greatest builder

2084
02:09:25,200 --> 02:09:27,440
Speaker 16: in the history Of, kimmid in the thirty five foot

2085
02:09:27,480 --> 02:09:30,720
Speaker 16: statue there and. Pressed but right next to that you

2086
02:09:30,880 --> 02:09:35,400
Speaker 16: have two statues from The polemaic or The greek foreign

2087
02:09:35,480 --> 02:09:36,760
Speaker 16: period that's also.

2088
02:09:36,960 --> 02:09:38,120
Speaker 11: There and then when you.

2089
02:09:38,200 --> 02:09:41,920
Speaker 16: See the stairs that go to the main, galleries they

2090
02:09:42,000 --> 02:09:46,040
Speaker 16: have ten. Statues i've never seen anything like. This they

2091
02:09:46,120 --> 02:09:49,760
Speaker 16: have ten statues of sin Wolse, read the first of one.

2092
02:09:49,960 --> 02:09:52,280
Speaker 16: King it's the same statue.

2093
02:09:51,960 --> 02:09:54,560
Speaker 7: Over and over. Again this doesn't make any sense.

2094
02:09:54,680 --> 02:09:58,000
Speaker 16: Whatsoever they all are from his pyramid site at Lists

2095
02:09:58,680 --> 02:10:01,800
Speaker 16: why would you have ten stats because of their propaganda.

2096
02:10:01,880 --> 02:10:07,120
Speaker 16: Message every single one of these statues of this ruler

2097
02:10:07,280 --> 02:10:10,760
Speaker 16: from about three thousand years, ago sin Wolves read the

2098
02:10:10,960 --> 02:10:13,600
Speaker 16: first have been stripped of the.

2099
02:10:13,760 --> 02:10:14,880
Speaker 7: Paint so what you're.

2100
02:10:14,800 --> 02:10:18,600
Speaker 16: Looking at and what the visitors look, at and the

2101
02:10:18,720 --> 02:10:22,960
Speaker 16: average about four thousand visitors a, day is the white

2102
02:10:23,080 --> 02:10:26,320
Speaker 16: limestone that's been stripped of the. Paint but you can

2103
02:10:26,480 --> 02:10:30,280
Speaker 16: see if you look carefully at the, eyes you can

2104
02:10:30,360 --> 02:10:32,720
Speaker 16: see that there's paint that's been scrubbed out.

2105
02:10:33,080 --> 02:10:33,560
Speaker 7: If you look.

2106
02:10:33,640 --> 02:10:38,080
Speaker 16: Carefully at other, places they're not always thorough in stripping the,

2107
02:10:38,160 --> 02:10:41,120
Speaker 16: paint but they do just enough so that the visitor

2108
02:10:41,240 --> 02:10:43,960
Speaker 16: is not going to know the difference unless they take

2109
02:10:44,000 --> 02:10:49,000
Speaker 16: a look at the statue with the microscopic assessment of an.

2110
02:10:49,040 --> 02:10:51,920
Speaker 16: Optometrist then you can see. It but if it's just

2111
02:10:52,000 --> 02:10:54,720
Speaker 16: a casual, walkthrough you won't see. It and that's really

2112
02:10:55,360 --> 02:10:59,240
Speaker 16: what takes. Place but this is the biggest propaganda museum

2113
02:10:59,400 --> 02:11:01,680
Speaker 16: NOW us in the. World but you can look at

2114
02:11:01,720 --> 02:11:04,760
Speaker 16: galleries all around The western. World it's the same, old same.

2115
02:11:04,800 --> 02:11:10,440
Speaker 16: Old so like The National museum In, Vienna, austria for,

2116
02:11:10,560 --> 02:11:14,360
Speaker 16: example their game their propaganda is just to flip the.

2117
02:11:14,440 --> 02:11:17,560
Speaker 16: Script and then when you go into that ancient gallery

2118
02:11:17,680 --> 02:11:21,680
Speaker 16: with artifacts stolen From, africa you're looking at the newest

2119
02:11:21,840 --> 02:11:25,120
Speaker 16: objects in the beginning of the, gallery and then you

2120
02:11:25,280 --> 02:11:28,200
Speaker 16: have to walk through the gallery and get and then

2121
02:11:28,280 --> 02:11:31,880
Speaker 16: the older. Artifacts the older images are in the. Back

2122
02:11:32,880 --> 02:11:35,960
Speaker 16: this doesn't make sense unless someone knows that this is

2123
02:11:36,040 --> 02:11:41,520
Speaker 16: a propaganda museum and the orientation is to flip the

2124
02:11:41,600 --> 02:11:45,200
Speaker 16: script and turn history upside. Down we know that that

2125
02:11:45,240 --> 02:11:48,320
Speaker 16: doesn't make any. Sense why would you present the new

2126
02:11:48,440 --> 02:11:51,840
Speaker 16: stuff in the front because that's where the foreigners came.

2127
02:11:51,920 --> 02:11:54,320
Speaker 16: In so you're looking at Non african images when you

2128
02:11:54,400 --> 02:11:56,440
Speaker 16: walk into the, Gallery, well who built?

2129
02:11:56,480 --> 02:11:57,120
Speaker 7: This what is the?

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02:11:57,200 --> 02:11:59,840
Speaker 16: Civilization, yeah you're about. Time you get to the back

2131
02:12:00,160 --> 02:12:01,880
Speaker 16: that big. Museum you're going to be a little bit.

2132
02:12:01,960 --> 02:12:04,680
Speaker 16: Tired but you're thinking that the ones in the back came.

2133
02:12:04,800 --> 02:12:08,640
Speaker 16: Later so it's museum, orientation it's museum. Layout The louver In,

2134
02:12:08,760 --> 02:12:13,480
Speaker 16: paris for, example same. Thing they have signs everywhere in

2135
02:12:14,080 --> 02:12:18,200
Speaker 16: the louver to point out to the unknown. Scribe see

2136
02:12:18,240 --> 02:12:18,760
Speaker 16: the unknown.

2137
02:12:18,760 --> 02:12:19,280
Speaker 7: Scribe he's.

2138
02:12:19,360 --> 02:12:21,280
Speaker 16: Unknown we don't even know the. Name but why are

2139
02:12:21,320 --> 02:12:25,520
Speaker 16: they promoting this one artifact out of hundreds and hundreds

2140
02:12:25,560 --> 02:12:29,160
Speaker 16: and hundreds and some are absolute? Masterpieces how come those

2141
02:12:29,200 --> 02:12:32,480
Speaker 16: are not highlighted because it doesn't allow them to tell

2142
02:12:33,120 --> 02:12:36,640
Speaker 16: the propaganda's story that these are Non africans that built

2143
02:12:36,720 --> 02:12:40,480
Speaker 16: this classical stivilization in Timoth The Unknown scribe has been

2144
02:12:40,560 --> 02:12:44,280
Speaker 16: completely stripped from all of the paint on the, face

2145
02:12:44,400 --> 02:12:48,880
Speaker 16: the upper, body and he had some rank in the,

2146
02:12:49,000 --> 02:12:51,080
Speaker 16: society but he's not a, ruler.

2147
02:12:50,840 --> 02:12:52,920
Speaker 5: He's not a, king he's not of the royal. Family

2148
02:12:53,040 --> 02:12:54,120
Speaker 5: so why is he being.

2149
02:12:54,080 --> 02:13:00,400
Speaker 16: Prioritized over dynasties and royal families and people of higher.

2150
02:13:00,480 --> 02:13:04,400
Speaker 16: Status because they were not able to strip all of

2151
02:13:04,440 --> 02:13:08,600
Speaker 16: the paint and the africanize a statue with as much

2152
02:13:09,280 --> 02:13:12,160
Speaker 16: effectiveness as they were able to do with The Unknown.

2153
02:13:12,240 --> 02:13:14,480
Speaker 16: Scribe we don't even know his, name and you can

2154
02:13:14,560 --> 02:13:17,520
Speaker 16: go around the world and this is exactly how it,

2155
02:13:17,720 --> 02:13:21,680
Speaker 16: is how it's. Organized so this is a systematic, effort

2156
02:13:21,960 --> 02:13:25,000
Speaker 16: and the museum officials don't have to communicate with other

2157
02:13:25,080 --> 02:13:26,560
Speaker 16: officials in different countries and.

2158
02:13:26,640 --> 02:13:27,760
Speaker 7: Cities they have the same.

2159
02:13:27,880 --> 02:13:32,000
Speaker 16: Mindset they're upset that when we go back into, Antiquity

2160
02:13:32,120 --> 02:13:35,040
Speaker 16: africans were at the apex of human. Achievement there Was

2161
02:13:35,160 --> 02:13:39,320
Speaker 16: africans who had laid out the scientific understanding that we

2162
02:13:39,480 --> 02:13:43,480
Speaker 16: benefit from. Today It's africans that have the first book

2163
02:13:43,560 --> 02:13:46,240
Speaker 16: in the history of. Humanity It's africans that created the

2164
02:13:47,800 --> 02:13:50,600
Speaker 16: oldest surgical documents in the history of the. World It's

2165
02:13:50,640 --> 02:13:54,480
Speaker 16: africans who created the, accurate the first accurate solar calendar

2166
02:13:54,520 --> 02:13:57,640
Speaker 16: over six thousand years. Ago these are documented. Facts these

2167
02:13:57,680 --> 02:14:01,680
Speaker 16: Are africans who created the the theorem of a square

2168
02:14:01,840 --> 02:14:04,800
Speaker 16: plus b square equal c. Square we see the evidence

2169
02:14:05,040 --> 02:14:07,680
Speaker 16: in The British museum on the second. Floor it's the

2170
02:14:07,880 --> 02:14:13,080
Speaker 16: almost mathematical for pirates that's been, renamed which is often.

2171
02:14:12,880 --> 02:14:13,720
Speaker 10: What they do in.

2172
02:14:13,880 --> 02:14:19,000
Speaker 16: Museums they'll rename artifacts after The european, purchaser after The

2173
02:14:19,080 --> 02:14:23,200
Speaker 16: european purchaser thousands of years, later and then there's other

2174
02:14:23,360 --> 02:14:27,040
Speaker 16: artifacts that are named after the location that they're currently

2175
02:14:27,200 --> 02:14:30,800
Speaker 16: in and not named after The africans who produce this

2176
02:14:31,080 --> 02:14:34,080
Speaker 16: kind of, knowledge so they know exactly what they're doing

2177
02:14:34,080 --> 02:14:37,040
Speaker 16: when they're laying out. Museums and if anybody thinks this

2178
02:14:37,240 --> 02:14:41,120
Speaker 16: is just some, fantasy then WHEN i lived In, ENGLAND

2179
02:14:41,160 --> 02:14:43,480
Speaker 16: i saw one of the most important. EXHIBITS i just

2180
02:14:43,560 --> 02:14:45,440
Speaker 16: kind of stumbled on. IT i didn't even know it was,

2181
02:14:45,480 --> 02:14:49,320
Speaker 16: there because WHENEVER i was traveling In europe going to,

2182
02:14:49,440 --> 02:14:53,520
Speaker 16: museums institutes and libraries in nineteen eighty ninety, NINETY i

2183
02:14:53,600 --> 02:14:57,440
Speaker 16: would go back to my base Of london and then

2184
02:14:57,640 --> 02:15:01,440
Speaker 16: organize the next tours to the next, trip research trips

2185
02:15:01,480 --> 02:15:04,160
Speaker 16: of different. Countries and one of the EXHIBITS i saw

2186
02:15:04,200 --> 02:15:09,000
Speaker 16: in nineteen ninety was Entitled fake The art Of. Deception

2187
02:15:10,000 --> 02:15:12,920
Speaker 16: faked The art Of, deception AND i, said, wow this

2188
02:15:13,160 --> 02:15:15,680
Speaker 16: is exactly WHAT i have been documenting for months and

2189
02:15:15,800 --> 02:15:19,720
Speaker 16: months and months and. Months and there were artifacts from

2190
02:15:19,840 --> 02:15:25,560
Speaker 16: The British museum itself that they've now determined are fake and,

2191
02:15:25,760 --> 02:15:28,720
Speaker 16: phony even though they had been on, display like the

2192
02:15:29,560 --> 02:15:33,720
Speaker 16: stated statue Of Queen. Tetasheri most people have never heard

2193
02:15:33,720 --> 02:15:36,840
Speaker 16: Of Queen. Tetashir they've heard Of, cleopatra they've heard of

2194
02:15:36,960 --> 02:15:40,360
Speaker 16: other they've heard Of. Effertiti why have people heard About

2195
02:15:40,400 --> 02:15:47,080
Speaker 16: effertiti and Not tetashii because they are the. Museum they're

2196
02:15:47,200 --> 02:15:50,560
Speaker 16: Emphasizing effertiti because they they're trying to present her as

2197
02:15:50,600 --> 02:15:50,920
Speaker 16: a white.

2198
02:15:50,920 --> 02:15:52,640
Speaker 7: Woman what did she? Accomplish?

2199
02:15:52,760 --> 02:15:56,360
Speaker 16: Nothing she didn't do, anything nor Did. Cleopatra but people

2200
02:15:56,520 --> 02:16:00,120
Speaker 16: know these names because that's what's being emphasized by museum in.

2201
02:16:00,240 --> 02:16:01,400
Speaker 16: Propagandists but what About.

2202
02:16:01,440 --> 02:16:01,919
Speaker 7: Tetashiri?

2203
02:16:02,080 --> 02:16:07,760
Speaker 16: Tetashiri tedtashiri was the, gate the great ancestress that brought

2204
02:16:07,840 --> 02:16:11,440
Speaker 16: forth one of the Greatest Golden ages in Classical Chemic

2205
02:16:11,760 --> 02:16:17,320
Speaker 16: tetashiri would. Have so we're, talking we're talking over thirty

2206
02:16:17,440 --> 02:16:20,560
Speaker 16: seven hundred years, ago and it's the Great tedtashiria the seventeenth.

2207
02:16:20,600 --> 02:16:24,840
Speaker 16: Dynasty she's the great ancestress that they looked. To Queen

2208
02:16:24,960 --> 02:16:27,640
Speaker 16: tea and many others of that. Dynasty they looked At.

2209
02:16:27,720 --> 02:16:33,480
Speaker 16: Tetashiri and so why would conspirators create a forgery in

2210
02:16:33,560 --> 02:16:37,680
Speaker 16: the late eighteen hundreds because they Made tetashii look like

2211
02:16:37,800 --> 02:16:42,560
Speaker 16: a modern white. Woman and WHEN i saw the exhibit

2212
02:16:42,720 --> 02:16:45,400
Speaker 16: fake the art of, deception guess what was in? There

2213
02:16:45,840 --> 02:16:49,760
Speaker 16: The tetashiary status statue that had been displayed in The

2214
02:16:49,840 --> 02:16:54,200
Speaker 16: British museum for one hundred years after a century of.

2215
02:16:54,280 --> 02:16:57,280
Speaker 16: Propaganda they took it off display put it in that

2216
02:16:57,480 --> 02:17:01,360
Speaker 16: exhibit because it was clear that the writing the mettle

2217
02:17:01,440 --> 02:17:04,320
Speaker 16: natural or the hieroglyphic writing on the side of the

2218
02:17:04,400 --> 02:17:08,120
Speaker 16: statue didn't say anything because it was. Forged and she

2219
02:17:08,320 --> 02:17:12,560
Speaker 16: had on a she has on a address that no

2220
02:17:12,720 --> 02:17:16,080
Speaker 16: one has ever seen all and she looks like a

2221
02:17:16,200 --> 02:17:19,280
Speaker 16: modern white woman in all kinds of unique. Features you

2222
02:17:19,360 --> 02:17:22,960
Speaker 16: don't have royal statues with unique features because there's a,

2223
02:17:23,080 --> 02:17:26,760
Speaker 16: protocol there's a, standard there's a royal cannon for the.

2224
02:17:26,959 --> 02:17:29,960
Speaker 16: Artists all the artists were state trained artists when they

2225
02:17:30,320 --> 02:17:34,480
Speaker 16: presented the royal family and high. Officials so this is

2226
02:17:34,520 --> 02:17:36,160
Speaker 16: why you don't have a lot of. Us that's why

2227
02:17:36,200 --> 02:17:38,760
Speaker 16: you don't have. Variation there's no such thing as artistic.

2228
02:17:38,879 --> 02:17:42,039
Speaker 16: License you must follow the rules system that they believe

2229
02:17:42,480 --> 02:17:46,360
Speaker 16: was given to them by The, creator By God. Patah So,

2230
02:17:46,560 --> 02:17:50,880
Speaker 16: patah the name for The creator was over all of the.

2231
02:17:51,080 --> 02:17:54,640
Speaker 16: Artisans they were under the tutelage of The God, patah

2232
02:17:55,040 --> 02:17:58,600
Speaker 16: and therefore they believe that there are artistic. Standards their

2233
02:17:58,760 --> 02:18:03,320
Speaker 16: artistic rules was perfect because they got it from From god,

2234
02:18:03,840 --> 02:18:07,160
Speaker 16: himself and that's why nobody makes a. Change you can

2235
02:18:07,200 --> 02:18:09,680
Speaker 16: be an average person that has never thought about any

2236
02:18:09,720 --> 02:18:11,560
Speaker 16: of this very, much but when you've seen, it you

2237
02:18:11,640 --> 02:18:15,360
Speaker 16: see a statue From, chemi you pretty much can identify

2238
02:18:15,480 --> 02:18:20,720
Speaker 16: it because that's how similar and constant the rule system

2239
02:18:20,959 --> 02:18:24,360
Speaker 16: was from one era to the. Next and when you

2240
02:18:24,480 --> 02:18:29,160
Speaker 16: see a role a royal image that is completely, different completely,

2241
02:18:29,320 --> 02:18:34,360
Speaker 16: unique with totally different features such as the, crown the,

2242
02:18:34,600 --> 02:18:39,400
Speaker 16: dress the, appearance this is suspicious because this could not

2243
02:18:39,600 --> 02:18:44,000
Speaker 16: have possibly been made by royal artists who understood the

2244
02:18:44,160 --> 02:18:47,160
Speaker 16: rule system in the. Standards so there's a whole forgery

2245
02:18:47,240 --> 02:18:51,480
Speaker 16: culture that. Exists and this forgery culture is hush.

2246
02:18:51,560 --> 02:18:53,439
Speaker 7: Hush in other, words museums.

2247
02:18:53,000 --> 02:18:57,400
Speaker 16: Will buy stuff on the underground from the underground, market

2248
02:18:57,520 --> 02:19:00,280
Speaker 16: and they don't know the location or it came, from

2249
02:19:00,680 --> 02:19:04,600
Speaker 16: but they'll buy it because it looks. Authentic they're not

2250
02:19:04,680 --> 02:19:07,240
Speaker 16: going to ask too many questions because if they can

2251
02:19:07,320 --> 02:19:09,760
Speaker 16: promote this as an important, piece what are the visitors

2252
02:19:09,840 --> 02:19:12,200
Speaker 16: going to. Do they're going to pay their money and

2253
02:19:12,360 --> 02:19:16,039
Speaker 16: go see the. Artifact so there's a forgery. Culture And Oscar,

2254
02:19:16,200 --> 02:19:20,280
Speaker 16: muscuerella who used to work at The Metropolitan museum In

2255
02:19:20,440 --> 02:19:24,320
Speaker 16: New york the met he wrote a book Called how

2256
02:19:24,400 --> 02:19:29,520
Speaker 16: The Lie Became great and he In muscarella discusses the

2257
02:19:29,680 --> 02:19:33,080
Speaker 16: forgery culture among the big museums around the world that

2258
02:19:33,200 --> 02:19:35,400
Speaker 16: they're not going to talk about, it and no one's

2259
02:19:35,440 --> 02:19:39,080
Speaker 16: going to take an object off display and see if

2260
02:19:39,120 --> 02:19:42,040
Speaker 16: it's real or. Not so WHAT i saw with The

2261
02:19:42,520 --> 02:19:46,120
Speaker 16: Teda shiri forgery was pretty rare that The British Museum

2262
02:19:46,280 --> 02:19:50,200
Speaker 16: egyptologist took it off of display after one hundred years

2263
02:19:50,240 --> 02:19:53,280
Speaker 16: of misrepresentation in fraud to say that this was a.

2264
02:19:53,360 --> 02:19:56,080
Speaker 16: Forgery to, me it's obvious a. Forgery BUT i have

2265
02:19:57,000 --> 02:19:59,640
Speaker 16: the tune eyes of someone who studied over a million

2266
02:19:59,720 --> 02:20:02,800
Speaker 16: Artify so it's hard to. Tell but if people have

2267
02:20:03,000 --> 02:20:05,720
Speaker 16: at least that they have in mind these, things then

2268
02:20:05,720 --> 02:20:11,320
Speaker 16: they will begin to notice some of these these propaganda

2269
02:20:11,400 --> 02:20:12,840
Speaker 16: strategies to mislead the.

2270
02:20:12,879 --> 02:20:15,200
Speaker 2: Public all, right hold up the right, there, well step.

2271
02:20:15,240 --> 02:20:17,400
Speaker 1: ASIDE i, saw our stations can identify themselves down the,

2272
02:20:17,440 --> 02:20:19,560
Speaker 1: Line Brother muhammad's got a question for you when we get.

2273
02:20:19,600 --> 02:20:21,960
Speaker 1: Back is also the question? Two what does this mean for?

2274
02:20:22,040 --> 02:20:24,600
Speaker 1: Reparations if they're trying to alter our, history what does

2275
02:20:24,640 --> 02:20:27,240
Speaker 1: it mean for the? Reparations drive, Family you too want

2276
02:20:27,280 --> 02:20:29,720
Speaker 1: to join this conversation With Professor may new AND pm

2277
02:20:30,040 --> 02:20:32,959
Speaker 1: From Contracosta college In Northern. California reach out to us

2278
02:20:33,000 --> 02:20:36,120
Speaker 1: at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy.

2279
02:20:36,160 --> 02:20:38,560
Speaker 1: Six they will take your phone calls Next Angryan rising,

2280
02:20:38,600 --> 02:20:40,520
Speaker 1: family thanks for rolling with us on This tuesday morning

2281
02:20:40,560 --> 02:20:43,400
Speaker 1: with our, Guest Professor may NEW, ampm teachers Of Contracosta

2282
02:20:43,440 --> 02:20:46,240
Speaker 1: college In Northern. California SO i mentioned he was the,

2283
02:20:46,480 --> 02:20:48,400
Speaker 1: brother one of our smart brothers who figured out The

2284
02:20:48,440 --> 02:20:50,680
Speaker 1: Williy lynch letter was a, fake was a, fraud and

2285
02:20:50,840 --> 02:20:53,240
Speaker 1: he's here this morning discussing about some of the artifacts

2286
02:20:53,280 --> 02:20:55,640
Speaker 1: that we see in some of the museums across the

2287
02:20:55,800 --> 02:20:59,039
Speaker 1: world and the de afrighanization of some of these. Artifacts

2288
02:20:59,240 --> 02:21:01,640
Speaker 1: speaking about Old, well let's go To. Gambia it's Sister

2289
02:21:01,720 --> 02:21:04,560
Speaker 1: adwa's calls from The. Gambia she's. Online, Three Grand rising,

2290
02:21:04,640 --> 02:21:06,160
Speaker 1: sister you're on With Professor.

2291
02:21:06,240 --> 02:21:15,400
Speaker 2: Ampere, Yes i'm.

2292
02:21:15,480 --> 02:21:16,320
Speaker 16: Here can you hear?

2293
02:21:16,400 --> 02:21:19,640
Speaker 2: Me, yeah we, Ahead, yes we can hear.

2294
02:21:19,680 --> 02:21:24,040
Speaker 17: You, okay you can hear, Me Grand Rising. BROTHERS i

2295
02:21:24,560 --> 02:21:29,120
Speaker 17: think it's very, interesting, uh, Professor, uh the way you

2296
02:21:29,320 --> 02:21:34,560
Speaker 17: speak about seeing being able to see the. ART i

2297
02:21:34,720 --> 02:21:37,160
Speaker 17: know if with the think the, sphinx.

2298
02:21:39,360 --> 02:21:44,480
Speaker 5: What is, It, PERU i can't the sphinx.

2299
02:21:44,120 --> 02:21:48,440
Speaker 17: Where they blew the features off of the, face but

2300
02:21:48,760 --> 02:21:54,640
Speaker 17: yet the structure of, it you can still see An

2301
02:21:54,720 --> 02:21:58,920
Speaker 17: african through the cheek, bones et, cetera et. Cetera and

2302
02:21:59,080 --> 02:22:05,800
Speaker 17: then you made a kind about the artisans of antiquity

2303
02:22:06,000 --> 02:22:10,560
Speaker 17: that they were ordained By god in such a way

2304
02:22:10,760 --> 02:22:15,160
Speaker 17: that they presented their art with. Perfection and Since i've

2305
02:22:15,200 --> 02:22:18,760
Speaker 17: been here In, Gambia i'm able to see. Better i'm

2306
02:22:18,879 --> 02:22:25,680
Speaker 17: able to my artwork is More african than it's ever

2307
02:22:25,840 --> 02:22:30,400
Speaker 17: been all my life Because i'm seeing. Differently is it

2308
02:22:30,640 --> 02:22:36,600
Speaker 17: true that even though they try to erase the africanness

2309
02:22:37,000 --> 02:22:43,960
Speaker 17: of the, artifacts that the underlying structure of the art Is,

2310
02:22:44,160 --> 02:22:47,320
Speaker 17: African like the high cheek, bones like in the spines

2311
02:22:47,400 --> 02:22:50,560
Speaker 17: where you can just about see the lists that would

2312
02:22:50,600 --> 02:22:54,000
Speaker 17: have been, there the noose that would have been. There

2313
02:22:54,160 --> 02:22:57,240
Speaker 17: what is it the golden? Ratio maybe you could speak to,

2314
02:22:57,360 --> 02:23:01,920
Speaker 17: that but just the ability to see when we look

2315
02:23:01,959 --> 02:23:06,879
Speaker 17: at people who have done have altered their features on their,

2316
02:23:06,959 --> 02:23:10,360
Speaker 17: face they go and do these different, things you know

2317
02:23:10,560 --> 02:23:15,920
Speaker 17: that it's not. Correct there's an imbalance. There can you

2318
02:23:16,080 --> 02:23:20,040
Speaker 17: speak to? That AND i really appreciate the. Conversation thank

2319
02:23:20,120 --> 02:23:20,320
Speaker 17: you so.

2320
02:23:20,520 --> 02:23:25,000
Speaker 16: Much, yeah you're, welcome my, SUSTER i appreciate it. Well

2321
02:23:25,720 --> 02:23:29,520
Speaker 16: With haru im, ocket which Means haru in the, horizon,

2322
02:23:30,440 --> 02:23:32,240
Speaker 16: uh the statue faces.

2323
02:23:32,440 --> 02:23:34,720
Speaker 7: East So i've learned over.

2324
02:23:34,640 --> 02:23:38,080
Speaker 16: The years that when we take the tours to go

2325
02:23:38,360 --> 02:23:42,119
Speaker 16: and see the greatest statue in the history of, humanity

2326
02:23:42,600 --> 02:23:45,440
Speaker 16: we go in the morning because in the, morning when

2327
02:23:45,480 --> 02:23:49,400
Speaker 16: the sun and sun, rises it kisses the great. Statue

2328
02:23:49,520 --> 02:23:53,200
Speaker 16: you can see all of the details much better than

2329
02:23:53,240 --> 02:23:55,400
Speaker 16: in the afternoon when the sun is behind it and

2330
02:23:55,480 --> 02:23:58,680
Speaker 16: there's a. Shadow So Horule market is the greatest statue On,

2331
02:23:58,720 --> 02:24:00,680
Speaker 16: earth and the sisters. Correct if you look at the

2332
02:24:00,800 --> 02:24:05,960
Speaker 16: prognantism or the protruding lower, jaw and you look at

2333
02:24:06,000 --> 02:24:09,080
Speaker 16: the side, angle there's no question that this is an afrocoid.

2334
02:24:09,160 --> 02:24:15,360
Speaker 16: Image but equally as, important what most people miss is

2335
02:24:15,480 --> 02:24:18,520
Speaker 16: that the nose was carved, off not blown, off carved,

2336
02:24:18,600 --> 02:24:23,040
Speaker 16: off and so you have damage. There the beard is,

2337
02:24:23,160 --> 02:24:29,160
Speaker 16: missing but guess, what there is original dark brown paint

2338
02:24:29,480 --> 02:24:32,360
Speaker 16: on both the left and right side of The great.

2339
02:24:32,480 --> 02:24:37,959
Speaker 16: Monument and so WHAT i do in my presentations here

2340
02:24:38,320 --> 02:24:41,360
Speaker 16: When i'm in the west or When i'm on the.

2341
02:24:41,480 --> 02:24:44,920
Speaker 16: Field in the, FIELD i point out to people the

2342
02:24:45,440 --> 02:24:49,320
Speaker 16: brownish paint that's pretty obvious only if you're looking for.

2343
02:24:49,480 --> 02:24:51,400
Speaker 16: It if you're not looking for, it ninety percent of

2344
02:24:51,440 --> 02:24:54,920
Speaker 16: the people would never see. It but the africoid skin

2345
02:24:55,840 --> 02:24:58,640
Speaker 16: paint for the dark skin tone is, there and so

2346
02:24:59,320 --> 02:25:02,600
Speaker 16: that's part of the de approganization that takes. Place but

2347
02:25:02,760 --> 02:25:07,000
Speaker 16: there's always, traces there's always, evidence whether it's the, prognantism

2348
02:25:07,440 --> 02:25:11,760
Speaker 16: so many other features they don't normally thoroughly destroy a

2349
02:25:11,920 --> 02:25:16,840
Speaker 16: statue without a trace or remnant of the Original aprocoid.

2350
02:25:17,800 --> 02:25:21,600
Speaker 16: Appearance whether it's a lot of times you see haphazard

2351
02:25:22,040 --> 02:25:25,640
Speaker 16: spot the paint deal there because they were, sloppy or you'll,

2352
02:25:25,680 --> 02:25:28,520
Speaker 16: see as the sisters, said the prognism and the Protruding lord.

2353
02:25:28,640 --> 02:25:31,800
Speaker 16: Jaw so those are ways that you can always. Tell

2354
02:25:31,840 --> 02:25:34,880
Speaker 16: whether it's large statues like who are In market which

2355
02:25:35,000 --> 02:25:38,080
Speaker 16: is made out of one single block of. Limestone can

2356
02:25:38,120 --> 02:25:40,959
Speaker 16: you imagine sixty six feet, high two hundred and forty feet,

2357
02:25:41,080 --> 02:25:46,160
Speaker 16: long built by master, craftsmen and that has been systematically

2358
02:25:46,240 --> 02:25:50,840
Speaker 16: attacked by modern, conspirators but also not only, modern but

2359
02:25:51,000 --> 02:25:54,720
Speaker 16: even going back hundreds of years yet people attacking that

2360
02:25:54,840 --> 02:25:57,440
Speaker 16: statue because they just didn't like the appearance of, it

2361
02:25:59,080 --> 02:26:00,000
Speaker 16: appearance of it as An.

2362
02:26:00,080 --> 02:26:03,880
Speaker 1: African eight after the top, Day Brother mohammed's also joining.

2363
02:26:03,959 --> 02:26:06,440
Speaker 1: Us he's online. Too he's going From, WASHINGTON, Dc Grand

2364
02:26:06,560 --> 02:26:09,360
Speaker 1: Rising Islam lake and my brother you around With professor

2365
02:26:09,440 --> 02:26:11,800
Speaker 1: Impem Well Lincoln.

2366
02:26:11,800 --> 02:26:15,720
Speaker 18: Salm this has really warm my heart here and brother

2367
02:26:15,800 --> 02:26:20,480
Speaker 18: talk about our, history because this shows it just shows

2368
02:26:20,560 --> 02:26:21,480
Speaker 18: me That i'm on the right.

2369
02:26:21,560 --> 02:26:24,200
Speaker 10: Path you.

2370
02:26:24,280 --> 02:26:27,520
Speaker 18: KNOW i got to Thank Master Ford muhammad for what

2371
02:26:27,680 --> 02:26:31,000
Speaker 18: he left us to study BECAUSE i had an epiphany

2372
02:26:32,040 --> 02:26:35,040
Speaker 18: combined WITH i believe she's one of his daughters to.

2373
02:26:35,120 --> 02:26:38,400
Speaker 18: BE i, mean not Physical, dodge just. Spiritual Doctor Georgia.

2374
02:26:38,480 --> 02:26:42,080
Speaker 18: Dunstan she's A dna. SCIENTIST i mentioned her before in the,

2375
02:26:42,160 --> 02:26:47,120
Speaker 18: show and she teaches about the genomes and how the,

2376
02:26:47,280 --> 02:26:50,600
Speaker 18: genome which is your entire strand OF, dna is an

2377
02:26:50,720 --> 02:26:57,560
Speaker 18: information device and communication. Device so she, said only two

2378
02:26:57,680 --> 02:27:01,080
Speaker 18: percent or less of YOUR dna is used to make

2379
02:27:01,160 --> 02:27:06,080
Speaker 18: your physical, body and the rest of it is. Information

2380
02:27:07,600 --> 02:27:10,560
Speaker 18: so and YOUR dna goes back at least six billion.

2381
02:27:10,640 --> 02:27:12,480
Speaker 18: YEARS i would say it goes back further than.

2382
02:27:12,520 --> 02:27:12,840
Speaker 6: That BUT.

2383
02:27:15,879 --> 02:27:16,120
Speaker 5: I was.

2384
02:27:16,200 --> 02:27:19,360
Speaker 18: READING i looked up the word the definition of. Reading,

2385
02:27:20,200 --> 02:27:24,280
Speaker 18: okay and obviously our guess as has been a lot of.

2386
02:27:24,320 --> 02:27:27,720
Speaker 18: Reading BUT i went to the part of The Supreme

2387
02:27:27,760 --> 02:27:31,280
Speaker 18: wisdom where it says The temple reading, class paragraph number

2388
02:27:31,320 --> 02:27:34,199
Speaker 18: seven of The Original wounds Of, instructions and it says

2389
02:27:34,680 --> 02:27:42,040
Speaker 18: the reading class shall include all of the. History and

2390
02:27:42,120 --> 02:27:44,200
Speaker 18: THEN i had to stick back and think about, that

2391
02:27:44,800 --> 02:27:50,240
Speaker 18: AND i, said how could a reading class contain all

2392
02:27:50,280 --> 02:27:53,880
Speaker 18: of the, History like what kind of edifice would have

2393
02:27:54,040 --> 02:27:59,320
Speaker 18: to be built to encompass all of the, history and

2394
02:27:59,480 --> 02:28:04,400
Speaker 18: thanks to Doctor Georgia, DUNSTAN i completely understand What Master

2395
02:28:04,480 --> 02:28:10,200
Speaker 18: Prob muhammad is. Saying the history is within, Us it's

2396
02:28:10,280 --> 02:28:14,520
Speaker 18: all recorded in OUR. Dna SO i called in to

2397
02:28:14,720 --> 02:28:20,280
Speaker 18: comfort the brother the professor that they can never erase our.

2398
02:28:20,400 --> 02:28:27,400
Speaker 18: History we have technology within ourselves they don't even, comprehend

2399
02:28:29,280 --> 02:28:34,160
Speaker 18: so we can actually go back in ourselves through OUR dna.

2400
02:28:34,680 --> 02:28:35,560
Speaker 7: And pull out the.

2401
02:28:35,760 --> 02:28:38,560
Speaker 4: History and this was so.

2402
02:28:38,879 --> 02:28:45,800
Speaker 18: PROFOUND i solved for two minutes, straight just unworthy of this,

2403
02:28:46,000 --> 02:28:51,600
Speaker 18: revelation AND i just wanted to share it BECAUSE i

2404
02:28:51,720 --> 02:28:55,279
Speaker 18: believe that's my, job you, know to help my people

2405
02:28:55,680 --> 02:28:58,400
Speaker 18: and to share Whatever god gives. ME i just try

2406
02:28:58,440 --> 02:29:02,200
Speaker 18: to give it to my, people you. Know but OUR

2407
02:29:02,320 --> 02:29:05,440
Speaker 18: dna contains all of our. History we can go back

2408
02:29:05,480 --> 02:29:08,960
Speaker 18: and rebuild anything we want. To we just have to

2409
02:29:09,080 --> 02:29:12,320
Speaker 18: learn how to tune into it and manifest, it and

2410
02:29:12,400 --> 02:29:16,640
Speaker 18: we have to learn how to read. Properly and that's

2411
02:29:16,640 --> 02:29:17,160
Speaker 18: ALL i want to.

2412
02:29:17,160 --> 02:29:26,080
Speaker 2: Say Likely Brother mohammad just, Mentioned.

2413
02:29:26,440 --> 02:29:30,080
Speaker 16: YEAH i appreciate his comments about the importance of genetic

2414
02:29:30,320 --> 02:29:34,080
Speaker 16: genetic memory IN. Dna we see that in all of,

2415
02:29:34,240 --> 02:29:38,560
Speaker 16: nature where you can take the species from its mother

2416
02:29:38,760 --> 02:29:42,000
Speaker 16: and parents and they still operate the same. Way that's genetic.

2417
02:29:42,080 --> 02:29:46,960
Speaker 16: Memory uh so that's. Important along with that that we

2418
02:29:47,080 --> 02:29:50,120
Speaker 16: also have to be very concerned and keen about is

2419
02:29:50,200 --> 02:29:53,800
Speaker 16: the fact that documentation beats conversation every day of the.

2420
02:29:53,879 --> 02:29:58,640
Speaker 16: Week so when the opponents are destroying, artifacts we can't.

2421
02:29:58,879 --> 02:30:05,200
Speaker 16: Argue we can't argue About african greatness without. Evidence evidence is.

2422
02:30:05,280 --> 02:30:09,280
Speaker 16: Important and someone, Counted they, said you, know images worth

2423
02:30:09,360 --> 02:30:11,120
Speaker 16: what they say a thousand. WORDS i don't know who.

2424
02:30:11,160 --> 02:30:13,039
Speaker 16: COUNT i don't know about image is worth nine hundred

2425
02:30:13,040 --> 02:30:15,320
Speaker 16: and ninety eight, words one thousand and four thousand and.

2426
02:30:15,400 --> 02:30:19,200
Speaker 16: FIVE i know that images are, Important so he's right

2427
02:30:19,360 --> 02:30:24,240
Speaker 16: on another. Level but in terms of the visual, images

2428
02:30:25,400 --> 02:30:29,520
Speaker 16: the attack is to destroy anything that looks and Appears,

2429
02:30:29,720 --> 02:30:34,560
Speaker 16: african so that our historical memory is. Lost so it's

2430
02:30:34,760 --> 02:30:39,520
Speaker 16: very important that we understand. That talking among, ourselves we

2431
02:30:39,600 --> 02:30:42,320
Speaker 16: can pat each other on the. Back, however before the

2432
02:30:42,440 --> 02:30:45,760
Speaker 16: world we need. Evidence and this is why great multi

2433
02:30:45,920 --> 02:30:50,040
Speaker 16: geniuses like the Late seikantida was so revered because he

2434
02:30:50,160 --> 02:30:53,119
Speaker 16: was able to show evidence on a completely different level

2435
02:30:53,280 --> 02:30:57,440
Speaker 16: than the historical producers were not able to. Handle so

2436
02:30:57,640 --> 02:31:02,120
Speaker 16: he can present evidence frominguistic, record the app can present

2437
02:31:02,240 --> 02:31:07,920
Speaker 16: evidence from the mathematical level or from, physics no matter

2438
02:31:08,040 --> 02:31:08,240
Speaker 16: what it.

2439
02:31:08,480 --> 02:31:10,080
Speaker 7: Was so we need.

2440
02:31:10,080 --> 02:31:14,600
Speaker 16: Physical evidence as, well and so that's why there's such

2441
02:31:14,680 --> 02:31:18,760
Speaker 16: an attack by the historical opponents introducers to make sure

2442
02:31:19,240 --> 02:31:22,440
Speaker 16: that this physical evidence is gone and we're not able

2443
02:31:22,520 --> 02:31:25,520
Speaker 16: to make the arguments because then they can be just

2444
02:31:25,800 --> 02:31:30,800
Speaker 16: reduced to opinion and fantasy as opposed to a concrete.

2445
02:31:30,879 --> 02:31:32,600
Speaker 16: Reality and this is why a lot of people go

2446
02:31:33,240 --> 02:31:36,840
Speaker 16: to some of the monuments to See african greatness because

2447
02:31:37,240 --> 02:31:40,000
Speaker 16: it does mean something and it has an indelible imprint

2448
02:31:40,640 --> 02:31:44,760
Speaker 16: on our. Psyche and when somebody wants to think about

2449
02:31:45,160 --> 02:31:49,199
Speaker 16: doing anything that's, meaningful why not see the greatest monuments

2450
02:31:49,280 --> 02:31:52,880
Speaker 16: on earth When africans were building for eternity and have

2451
02:31:53,080 --> 02:31:57,840
Speaker 16: monuments that still confound the. World so these are things

2452
02:31:57,879 --> 02:32:01,400
Speaker 16: that we should also know and recognize because we have

2453
02:32:01,640 --> 02:32:04,560
Speaker 16: lost the historical. Memory but he's right on a different

2454
02:32:04,640 --> 02:32:08,800
Speaker 16: level that our genetic memory is there and.

2455
02:32:08,920 --> 02:32:12,760
Speaker 7: So that's in every. Species so, yeah thank you very

2456
02:32:12,879 --> 02:32:13,120
Speaker 7: much for.

2457
02:32:13,200 --> 02:32:15,920
Speaker 1: That all, right thirteen after the top of, that at,

2458
02:32:16,000 --> 02:32:18,720
Speaker 1: least checking in From Baltimore Ice online To Grant rising

2459
02:32:18,800 --> 02:32:20,119
Speaker 1: lead your only, Way Professor.

2460
02:32:19,840 --> 02:32:20,720
Speaker 2: Impim.

2461
02:32:22,000 --> 02:32:24,120
Speaker 12: Good afternoon And Grand rising AND i just want to

2462
02:32:24,120 --> 02:32:27,520
Speaker 12: SAY i appreciate all your programs and this one, also

2463
02:32:28,760 --> 02:32:31,960
Speaker 12: can you please touch on the ancient ol Of you

2464
02:32:32,280 --> 02:32:36,520
Speaker 12: stone that is at The Laventa park right In, mexico

2465
02:32:36,959 --> 02:32:40,240
Speaker 12: because if you look at that, stone that is all black,

2466
02:32:40,360 --> 02:32:43,040
Speaker 12: features AND i believe the nose is taken off of that.

2467
02:32:43,240 --> 02:32:51,000
Speaker 16: Too, yeah, well that's that's that's very. Common, yeah and

2468
02:32:51,200 --> 02:32:54,120
Speaker 16: again because the nose is the most prominent, feature you,

2469
02:32:54,200 --> 02:32:56,160
Speaker 16: know and as we look, deeper it's many different.

2470
02:32:56,200 --> 02:32:56,840
Speaker 7: Things just to.

2471
02:32:58,640 --> 02:33:01,840
Speaker 16: Change the shape of the, nose to strip the paint,

2472
02:33:01,920 --> 02:33:04,880
Speaker 16: colors to shorten the width of the, lips all of

2473
02:33:04,920 --> 02:33:07,640
Speaker 16: these different things take place on a regular. Basis and

2474
02:33:08,440 --> 02:33:11,720
Speaker 16: What i've always told people is that there's far more

2475
02:33:11,959 --> 02:33:18,039
Speaker 16: artifacts that have been doctored up and The africanized then

2476
02:33:18,200 --> 02:33:20,920
Speaker 16: noses knocked. Off it's just that that's the most obvious

2477
02:33:21,040 --> 02:33:24,160
Speaker 16: thing and we shouldn't notice. That but the conspirators are

2478
02:33:24,240 --> 02:33:29,080
Speaker 16: not only focused on the most. Obvious they're much more

2479
02:33:29,240 --> 02:33:38,000
Speaker 16: subtle in their, ongoing relentless the psychosis to destroy artifacts

2480
02:33:38,040 --> 02:33:41,200
Speaker 16: and like for, example WELL i can give many, examples

2481
02:33:41,240 --> 02:33:42,920
Speaker 16: but one of the Things i'd shared with people a

2482
02:33:43,000 --> 02:33:47,080
Speaker 16: couple of years, ago The Great avenue of sphinxes that

2483
02:33:47,280 --> 02:33:51,560
Speaker 16: linked The karnac And looks or temples In. Egypt this

2484
02:33:51,760 --> 02:33:54,640
Speaker 16: is a mile and a half long route where you

2485
02:33:54,760 --> 02:33:58,240
Speaker 16: had one of the greatest, festivals The opet festival that

2486
02:33:58,440 --> 02:34:03,480
Speaker 16: linked these two, temples and this old procession route was

2487
02:34:04,520 --> 02:34:09,760
Speaker 16: underbuildings and homes and. Shops and it's just twenty twenty

2488
02:34:09,840 --> 02:34:14,520
Speaker 16: two or so The egyptian government finally removed all those,

2489
02:34:14,600 --> 02:34:19,000
Speaker 16: buildings so that route has now been. Reconstituted and when

2490
02:34:19,040 --> 02:34:21,640
Speaker 16: you go and no one walks the whole route other

2491
02:34:21,720 --> 02:34:24,320
Speaker 16: than the professor of Maindew And, PIM i, did AND

2492
02:34:24,440 --> 02:34:27,840
Speaker 16: i looked at every single statue of the sphinxes and.

2493
02:34:28,120 --> 02:34:34,360
Speaker 16: Shocking it's shocking that these modern criminals have literally engaged in,

2494
02:34:34,520 --> 02:34:39,600
Speaker 16: crude clumsy and incompetent restoration work to totally strip The

2495
02:34:39,680 --> 02:34:44,600
Speaker 16: african identity of some of these. Sphinxes it's, like, damn say,

2496
02:34:44,720 --> 02:34:48,560
Speaker 16: Yes and people WHEN i showed this online were stunded.

2497
02:34:48,760 --> 02:34:51,560
Speaker 16: SHOCKED i, say, yes you see that this is an

2498
02:34:51,680 --> 02:34:55,760
Speaker 16: ongoing mission to make sure that every image is De.

2499
02:34:55,920 --> 02:34:59,720
Speaker 16: Africanized who's behind, this someone might, say if we're talking About,

2500
02:35:00,080 --> 02:35:05,520
Speaker 16: egypt there's The arab, workers there's conservation teams and who

2501
02:35:05,600 --> 02:35:09,560
Speaker 16: are behind, this and anybody without any. Background you can

2502
02:35:09,600 --> 02:35:11,600
Speaker 16: take an eight year old and a seven year old

2503
02:35:11,640 --> 02:35:14,000
Speaker 16: and say, hey take a look at, this AND i

2504
02:35:14,120 --> 02:35:18,560
Speaker 16: guarantee they will point out the obvious fraud involved where

2505
02:35:18,560 --> 02:35:21,280
Speaker 16: it doesn't make any sense that the statue statues would

2506
02:35:21,320 --> 02:35:26,920
Speaker 16: look like that because the features have been totally misaligned

2507
02:35:27,959 --> 02:35:31,080
Speaker 16: by modern. Conspirators no one did this in, antiquity they

2508
02:35:31,080 --> 02:35:33,760
Speaker 16: would have no reason. To but this is how obvious

2509
02:35:33,840 --> 02:35:37,160
Speaker 16: it is once we have the a different, lens a

2510
02:35:37,320 --> 02:35:42,000
Speaker 16: lens of like an opchometrist to look at the microscopic

2511
02:35:42,080 --> 02:35:45,480
Speaker 16: details of how things are. Presented so this is what

2512
02:35:45,640 --> 02:35:48,200
Speaker 16: we should be aware. Of and so anytime there's the

2513
02:35:48,360 --> 02:35:52,000
Speaker 16: touting of a new, museum beware and be. Careful and

2514
02:35:52,080 --> 02:35:53,680
Speaker 16: this is WHY i mentioned a few minutes ago The

2515
02:35:53,760 --> 02:35:58,560
Speaker 16: Grant Egyptian museum is an outrageous museum Without and here's

2516
02:35:58,560 --> 02:36:03,960
Speaker 16: something else that people should. Know it's not only The africanizing.

2517
02:36:03,280 --> 02:36:05,080
Speaker 7: Statues but it's also the.

2518
02:36:05,240 --> 02:36:07,920
Speaker 16: MUSEUM i mentioned the museum, layout but let me give

2519
02:36:07,959 --> 02:36:09,520
Speaker 16: another example of how the layout.

2520
02:36:09,920 --> 02:36:13,440
Speaker 1: Misrepresentation, yeah hold, on hold up example There we're gonna

2521
02:36:13,440 --> 02:36:15,080
Speaker 1: step asid for a few Months i'll let you finish

2522
02:36:15,160 --> 02:36:17,080
Speaker 1: up and talk about. THAT i also want, to you,

2523
02:36:17,120 --> 02:36:18,760
Speaker 1: know when we get back as, well talk about what

2524
02:36:18,879 --> 02:36:21,880
Speaker 1: this means for the reparations. Movement if they're erasing our,

2525
02:36:22,040 --> 02:36:25,120
Speaker 1: history that means we Can't you'll probably put a dance

2526
02:36:25,200 --> 02:36:28,200
Speaker 1: in that movement appealing for. Reparations what are your? Thoughts,

2527
02:36:28,240 --> 02:36:30,959
Speaker 1: Family you two can join this conversation With Professor mayin

2528
02:36:30,959 --> 02:36:32,879
Speaker 1: and new And. Pim you can reach us at eight

2529
02:36:33,000 --> 02:36:35,960
Speaker 1: hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and

2530
02:36:36,000 --> 02:36:38,600
Speaker 1: we'll take your phone calls next and Grand rising, family

2531
02:36:38,680 --> 02:36:40,879
Speaker 1: thanks for sticking with us on This tuesday. Morning with our,

2532
02:36:40,879 --> 02:36:44,720
Speaker 1: Guest professor man New ampinn From Contra Costic college out In,

2533
02:36:44,760 --> 02:36:48,760
Speaker 1: california we're discussing the The african, Nation, africanization if you,

2534
02:36:48,800 --> 02:36:53,880
Speaker 1: will of. Museums they're trying to you, know, whitewash if you,

2535
02:36:53,959 --> 02:36:57,240
Speaker 1: will all, that what all the stuff that our ancestors,

2536
02:36:57,320 --> 02:37:00,440
Speaker 1: did and you, know and just discredit the works of our.

2537
02:37:00,520 --> 02:37:02,600
Speaker 1: Ancestors and my question to, him AND i let him

2538
02:37:02,600 --> 02:37:04,000
Speaker 1: finish what he was about to tell us a little

2539
02:37:04,040 --> 02:37:05,760
Speaker 1: story and let him finish, that but what does this

2540
02:37:05,920 --> 02:37:08,440
Speaker 1: mean for? Reparations So professor. Mpim let you finish your

2541
02:37:08,480 --> 02:37:10,520
Speaker 1: story and explain to us what this will mean for

2542
02:37:10,600 --> 02:37:11,320
Speaker 1: the reparations.

2543
02:37:11,400 --> 02:37:14,080
Speaker 5: Movement, YEAH i appreciate, that Brother.

2544
02:37:14,160 --> 02:37:18,360
Speaker 16: Carl so the orientation of museums is very. Important so

2545
02:37:18,480 --> 02:37:21,480
Speaker 16: they'll put certain statues in the middle of the museum

2546
02:37:21,600 --> 02:37:25,280
Speaker 16: floor for, emphasis and then there's more important, items but

2547
02:37:25,480 --> 02:37:28,600
Speaker 16: more important and more influential people are off to the

2548
02:37:28,720 --> 02:37:32,080
Speaker 16: side with only a little tiny. Label sometimes we've seen

2549
02:37:32,800 --> 02:37:36,320
Speaker 16: artifacts without a label In, egypt for. Example but The

2550
02:37:36,360 --> 02:37:40,720
Speaker 16: Grant Egyptian museum does what a lot of a lot

2551
02:37:40,760 --> 02:37:46,240
Speaker 16: of museums. Do they will sometimes they'll take items and

2552
02:37:46,280 --> 02:37:48,960
Speaker 16: they'll just kind of jumble them together together in a.

2553
02:37:49,080 --> 02:37:52,800
Speaker 16: Category so the category could be let's say, statuary or

2554
02:37:52,879 --> 02:37:57,160
Speaker 16: the category could be funerary, objects or it could be

2555
02:37:57,800 --> 02:38:01,440
Speaker 16: so and when some when a museum just puts, things

2556
02:38:01,680 --> 02:38:06,240
Speaker 16: put artifacts together without respect to chronology and timeline and

2557
02:38:06,400 --> 02:38:10,440
Speaker 16: just groups them by, category then you can have items

2558
02:38:11,000 --> 02:38:15,040
Speaker 16: and artifacts that are literally thousands of years, apart side

2559
02:38:15,080 --> 02:38:16,160
Speaker 16: by side because you're just.

2560
02:38:16,200 --> 02:38:16,840
Speaker 15: Grouping them by.

2561
02:38:17,560 --> 02:38:22,520
Speaker 16: Category so The Grant Egyptian museum follows that propaganda.

2562
02:38:23,879 --> 02:38:26,240
Speaker 11: Ploy so that you won't know the.

2563
02:38:26,720 --> 02:38:31,400
Speaker 16: Original from the modern the modern imitation because they're all,

2564
02:38:31,480 --> 02:38:33,720
Speaker 16: together but yet they can be two or three thousand years.

2565
02:38:33,760 --> 02:38:37,640
Speaker 16: Apart you, know the original image of An african and

2566
02:38:37,760 --> 02:38:40,240
Speaker 16: then you got a foreigner coming in A greek Or

2567
02:38:40,360 --> 02:38:43,720
Speaker 16: roman for. Example and this is done around the. World

2568
02:38:44,120 --> 02:38:49,040
Speaker 16: so this is problematic when there's not a strict protocol

2569
02:38:49,120 --> 02:38:53,840
Speaker 16: to follow the chronology or follow the time sequence so

2570
02:38:54,000 --> 02:38:57,040
Speaker 16: that people can see how things change over. Time and

2571
02:38:57,560 --> 02:39:02,400
Speaker 16: to the question that it's not the, reparations it doesn't

2572
02:39:02,640 --> 02:39:05,480
Speaker 16: these are this doesn't relate to. Reparations what it does

2573
02:39:05,600 --> 02:39:07,400
Speaker 16: relate to is a similar.

2574
02:39:07,440 --> 02:39:08,080
Speaker 7: Word it's.

2575
02:39:08,280 --> 02:39:15,039
Speaker 16: Repatriation so the repatriation movement has to do with two,

2576
02:39:15,200 --> 02:39:20,960
Speaker 16: things to repatriate human remains and cultural artifacts to the

2577
02:39:21,560 --> 02:39:27,560
Speaker 16: next of. Kin so the repatriation movement gained great momentum

2578
02:39:27,680 --> 02:39:31,080
Speaker 16: in the nineteen eighties and particularly the nineteen. Nineties so

2579
02:39:31,240 --> 02:39:35,039
Speaker 16: around the world you have indigenous groups as well as

2580
02:39:35,160 --> 02:39:39,000
Speaker 16: different countries that have been a part of the repatriation

2581
02:39:39,280 --> 02:39:43,400
Speaker 16: movement to get their stolen artifacts. Returned so you have

2582
02:39:43,879 --> 02:39:48,480
Speaker 16: like The ethiopian, government The nigerian, government The malian, government

2583
02:39:48,920 --> 02:39:52,680
Speaker 16: The ghanaian. Government there's governments Around. Africa even The greek

2584
02:39:52,800 --> 02:39:56,640
Speaker 16: government wants The elgin marbles back from The British. Museum

2585
02:39:57,200 --> 02:40:03,720
Speaker 16: so the repatriation movement has has a tremendous international impact

2586
02:40:04,160 --> 02:40:06,640
Speaker 16: and it's caused to change in some laws and some.

2587
02:40:06,840 --> 02:40:09,800
Speaker 16: Policies Native americas they want their stuff, back they want

2588
02:40:09,840 --> 02:40:12,840
Speaker 16: their ancestors back so they can be given a proper.

2589
02:40:13,160 --> 02:40:19,080
Speaker 16: Reburial but The British, museum for, example their position is.

2590
02:40:19,200 --> 02:40:22,560
Speaker 16: Interesting their position is we can't give back these items

2591
02:40:22,600 --> 02:40:26,640
Speaker 16: because they mentioned two. Things number, one it's against our laws.

2592
02:40:26,680 --> 02:40:29,360
Speaker 7: To return what we. Stole, well my.

2593
02:40:29,520 --> 02:40:31,800
Speaker 16: Question what laws were in place when you stole the

2594
02:40:32,280 --> 02:40:35,199
Speaker 16: items in the first. Place and then the backup position

2595
02:40:35,280 --> 02:40:38,480
Speaker 16: of The British museum is that we're better caretakers of

2596
02:40:38,680 --> 02:40:42,400
Speaker 16: these items than you are better. Caretakers WHEN i led

2597
02:40:42,440 --> 02:40:45,360
Speaker 16: a group in The British museum back in two thousand and,

2598
02:40:45,600 --> 02:40:49,000
Speaker 16: four people can go to my YouTube channel and see

2599
02:40:49,080 --> 02:40:52,360
Speaker 16: Part we put a couple of clips of that. Tour

2600
02:40:52,640 --> 02:40:55,720
Speaker 16: just go To professor MEINU mpm on my YouTube. Channel

2601
02:40:55,760 --> 02:40:58,880
Speaker 16: you can see the. Clips and one of the THINGS

2602
02:40:59,560 --> 02:41:02,520
Speaker 16: i wish with the people is The British museum is.

2603
02:41:02,720 --> 02:41:07,640
Speaker 16: Bogus they're not better caretakers because in the main gallery

2604
02:41:07,800 --> 02:41:13,160
Speaker 16: downstairs there are Priceless african artifacts that don't even have.

2605
02:41:13,400 --> 02:41:16,600
Speaker 16: Glass they don't have glass to protect. Them they don't

2606
02:41:16,640 --> 02:41:18,680
Speaker 16: have a, barrier they don't have a. Rope AND i

2607
02:41:18,800 --> 02:41:21,199
Speaker 16: was pointing out to the brothers and sisters In, london,

2608
02:41:21,480 --> 02:41:24,600
Speaker 16: said look at the the not just the, discoloration but

2609
02:41:24,720 --> 02:41:29,119
Speaker 16: look at the deterioration of these. Artifacts and notice how it's,

2610
02:41:29,160 --> 02:41:33,440
Speaker 16: discolored is eroding because people put their dirty hands on.

2611
02:41:33,560 --> 02:41:36,800
Speaker 16: It we have oil and dirt on our, hands and

2612
02:41:36,920 --> 02:41:39,880
Speaker 16: people touch the item because they always want to touch.

2613
02:41:39,959 --> 02:41:40,720
Speaker 7: It number.

2614
02:41:40,760 --> 02:41:43,280
Speaker 16: One and, secondly people want to be. Cool they want

2615
02:41:43,320 --> 02:41:45,440
Speaker 16: to look cool when they're taking a, photograph so they

2616
02:41:45,520 --> 02:41:48,200
Speaker 16: always lean against the. Artifacts SO i told one of the,

2617
02:41:48,280 --> 02:41:52,680
Speaker 16: GUARDS i, said you need to stop people from touching these. Items, yeah,

2618
02:41:52,800 --> 02:41:54,960
Speaker 16: yeah you're, right but we don't have enough. Guards what

2619
02:41:55,000 --> 02:41:56,800
Speaker 16: do you mean you don't have enough. Guards you need

2620
02:41:56,879 --> 02:41:58,840
Speaker 16: to do something about, that because look at, this this

2621
02:41:59,040 --> 02:42:01,720
Speaker 16: is falling. Apart AND i told the folks that WHEN

2622
02:42:01,760 --> 02:42:04,120
Speaker 16: i leave and come back to The, states you all

2623
02:42:04,240 --> 02:42:06,519
Speaker 16: need to follow up with this because this is. Outrageous

2624
02:42:06,520 --> 02:42:08,400
Speaker 16: what do you mean better? Caretakers how come they don't

2625
02:42:08,400 --> 02:42:11,200
Speaker 16: have glass around it because they don't respect the.

2626
02:42:11,360 --> 02:42:14,360
Speaker 7: Artifacts but so The.

2627
02:42:14,520 --> 02:42:19,160
Speaker 16: Britain british are on the defensive because there's really no.

2628
02:42:19,320 --> 02:42:22,080
Speaker 16: Defense their real position is what you're going to do about?

2629
02:42:22,080 --> 02:42:25,080
Speaker 16: It we have, it we took, it so what we

2630
02:42:25,160 --> 02:42:26,880
Speaker 16: can give any excuse we, Want and that's really what

2631
02:42:27,000 --> 02:42:30,000
Speaker 16: it comes down. To but it's the repatriation. Movement people

2632
02:42:30,080 --> 02:42:33,200
Speaker 16: can learn more about this movement by getting a magazine

2633
02:42:33,280 --> 02:42:38,400
Speaker 16: Called Cultural. Survival Cultural survival is published quarterly and it

2634
02:42:38,520 --> 02:42:41,440
Speaker 16: deals with the. Return not, always but a lot of

2635
02:42:41,480 --> 02:42:45,320
Speaker 16: the stories deal with the return of cultural, artifacts not

2636
02:42:45,400 --> 02:42:46,640
Speaker 16: only From africa.

2637
02:42:46,360 --> 02:42:47,120
Speaker 10: But around the.

2638
02:42:47,200 --> 02:42:50,320
Speaker 16: World indigenous people they want their ancestors back and they

2639
02:42:50,400 --> 02:42:51,279
Speaker 16: want the artifacts.

2640
02:42:51,360 --> 02:42:52,200
Speaker 7: Back so that's what.

2641
02:42:54,480 --> 02:42:58,640
Speaker 16: This museum discussion has to do with the repatriation.

2642
02:42:58,800 --> 02:43:01,720
Speaker 1: MOVEMENT i got to ask, YOU i said twenty eight

2643
02:43:01,760 --> 02:43:04,200
Speaker 1: after the. Top is there any country that stands out

2644
02:43:04,280 --> 02:43:07,039
Speaker 1: more than any other that's on this vengeance bit AS

2645
02:43:07,080 --> 02:43:10,280
Speaker 1: i would call, it trying to deafganize our. History it's

2646
02:43:10,320 --> 02:43:12,360
Speaker 1: any country that stands out more than any.

2647
02:43:12,440 --> 02:43:17,480
Speaker 16: Other, yeah by Far, egypt because each of us colonized

2648
02:43:17,760 --> 02:43:22,560
Speaker 16: More african artifacts than any other. Country so, yeah it

2649
02:43:22,680 --> 02:43:26,280
Speaker 16: stands far and above because they have the largest The

2650
02:43:26,440 --> 02:43:31,960
Speaker 16: Cairo museum In Tayhir square or Downtown. Cairo they, have you,

2651
02:43:32,040 --> 02:43:36,280
Speaker 16: know such a huge, collection and they've colonized these artifacts

2652
02:43:36,480 --> 02:43:42,959
Speaker 16: and they have, direct unmitigated access to, changing, altering. Distorting

2653
02:43:43,440 --> 02:43:48,600
Speaker 16: so that's the museum with the biggest crimes of de,

2654
02:43:48,760 --> 02:43:51,440
Speaker 16: afriganization and you see. It that's why WHEN i went

2655
02:43:51,480 --> 02:43:53,440
Speaker 16: to the first, TIME i went to The Kiro museum

2656
02:43:53,640 --> 02:43:56,359
Speaker 16: in nineteen ninety AFTER i finished.

2657
02:43:56,040 --> 02:43:57,320
Speaker 7: My work In.

2658
02:43:57,440 --> 02:44:00,560
Speaker 16: Europe it took me to go through The Kiro museum.

2659
02:44:00,760 --> 02:44:04,000
Speaker 16: Once it took four and a half days BECAUSE i

2660
02:44:04,080 --> 02:44:07,680
Speaker 16: went to every gallery looking at every, artifact AND i

2661
02:44:07,760 --> 02:44:13,320
Speaker 16: found forgeries and a lot of other, outrageous obvious behind

2662
02:44:13,360 --> 02:44:17,200
Speaker 16: the scenes work by conspirators or what they have been

2663
02:44:17,280 --> 02:44:19,960
Speaker 16: doing in these. Statutes but you see problems around the,

2664
02:44:20,040 --> 02:44:24,000
Speaker 16: world but that museum is the worst because these are

2665
02:44:24,320 --> 02:44:27,920
Speaker 16: foreigners who have no respect for the. Artifacts and that's

2666
02:44:27,959 --> 02:44:31,040
Speaker 16: why that is the worst. PLACE i, mean there's examples

2667
02:44:31,080 --> 02:44:35,879
Speaker 16: and problems, everywhere but nobody has been more criminal than

2668
02:44:35,959 --> 02:44:38,640
Speaker 16: The Cairo. Museum and then when you go to all

2669
02:44:38,680 --> 02:44:41,200
Speaker 16: of the different collections In, europe you have lots of.

2670
02:44:41,280 --> 02:44:43,920
Speaker 16: Problems it's just that they don't have as many artifacts

2671
02:44:43,959 --> 02:44:46,560
Speaker 16: as what people are what we were Fighting.

2672
02:44:46,320 --> 02:44:49,200
Speaker 2: Cairo got you thirty minutes off the.

2673
02:44:49,240 --> 02:44:50,640
Speaker 1: TOPIC i got some folks who want to talk to,

2674
02:44:50,640 --> 02:44:53,720
Speaker 1: You professor Am pinlis start with Brother, collis he's online

2675
02:44:53,760 --> 02:44:56,680
Speaker 1: two calling From waldorf the Brother collin you question of

2676
02:44:56,720 --> 02:44:57,960
Speaker 1: your comment From professor Am.

2677
02:44:58,040 --> 02:45:02,200
Speaker 19: Pi, yep thank, you my dear. Brothers PROFESSOR i Am.

2678
02:45:02,320 --> 02:45:10,039
Speaker 19: Pen i'm befuddled, because, well we seem to be racing

2679
02:45:10,160 --> 02:45:14,520
Speaker 19: towards our blackness and reclaiming our. History there are certain

2680
02:45:15,120 --> 02:45:18,400
Speaker 19: of those coming out Of africa who are trying to

2681
02:45:18,720 --> 02:45:23,520
Speaker 19: escape their, blackness uh and who claim that they are not,

2682
02:45:24,520 --> 02:45:28,280
Speaker 19: black such, as for, example The somalians who came To

2683
02:45:28,520 --> 02:45:32,160
Speaker 19: minnesota who says they are not, black but claim their

2684
02:45:32,240 --> 02:45:38,160
Speaker 19: fealty to being A, somalian or they claim their fealty

2685
02:45:38,240 --> 02:45:43,240
Speaker 19: to be An arab and so there their whole attention.

2686
02:45:43,440 --> 02:45:46,000
Speaker 19: Span and then by the, way they've said a lot

2687
02:45:46,040 --> 02:45:53,000
Speaker 19: of denigrating things ABOUT Us African americans here in The United. States,

2688
02:45:53,720 --> 02:45:58,400
Speaker 19: uh in their their mosque and so. Forth SO i

2689
02:45:58,520 --> 02:46:03,280
Speaker 19: know you run across this, situationuation but uh uh we

2690
02:46:03,640 --> 02:46:06,560
Speaker 19: We African americans are going to have to h take

2691
02:46:06,640 --> 02:46:09,840
Speaker 19: some coffee and wake up and smell the. Coffee because

2692
02:46:10,480 --> 02:46:12,680
Speaker 19: a lot of our so called black brothers and sisters From,

2693
02:46:12,720 --> 02:46:16,440
Speaker 19: africa The africans do not claim us as, such and

2694
02:46:16,520 --> 02:46:18,960
Speaker 19: they are time to escape that. Blackness what say, you

2695
02:46:19,080 --> 02:46:19,360
Speaker 19: my dear.

2696
02:46:19,400 --> 02:46:23,400
Speaker 16: BROTHER i Appreciated brother call us and thank.

2697
02:46:23,400 --> 02:46:23,440
Speaker 4: You.

2698
02:46:23,840 --> 02:46:26,120
Speaker 16: Well you, know it goes back to my days In

2699
02:46:26,200 --> 02:46:29,520
Speaker 16: Morgan State university in the, eighties AND i had heard,

2700
02:46:29,640 --> 02:46:31,800
Speaker 16: this you, know coming From, CALIFORNIA i had heard, that you,

2701
02:46:31,840 --> 02:46:34,480
Speaker 16: know The africans don't like. Us but WHEN i started

2702
02:46:34,520 --> 02:46:37,760
Speaker 16: looking around to see as an activist on campus and

2703
02:46:38,680 --> 02:46:42,960
Speaker 16: and by the, way Brother Mukasa dota Of Willie, rix you,

2704
02:46:43,040 --> 02:46:46,680
Speaker 16: know a great black, PANTHER i mean a black power

2705
02:46:46,720 --> 02:46:50,760
Speaker 16: advocate would. Snick AND i was in the organization as

2706
02:46:50,800 --> 02:46:53,080
Speaker 16: a student leader on the, campus SO i had a

2707
02:46:53,160 --> 02:46:55,959
Speaker 16: chance to learn from the Great Willie ricks and. Others

2708
02:46:56,280 --> 02:46:59,240
Speaker 16: but when it, so but my orientation was different WHEN

2709
02:46:59,240 --> 02:47:01,160
Speaker 16: i started looking at all of the people around me

2710
02:47:01,240 --> 02:47:04,600
Speaker 16: as an activisional. Campus i'm the one that Made african

2711
02:47:04,720 --> 02:47:07,280
Speaker 16: history of requirement At Morgan. State BUT i looked at

2712
02:47:07,320 --> 02:47:10,320
Speaker 16: all of the people and that Was fritch From. Namibia

2713
02:47:10,760 --> 02:47:13,400
Speaker 16: there was Brother santos And graces From South. Africa There's

2714
02:47:13,400 --> 02:47:17,240
Speaker 16: stephen The thungo From. Kenya there's Brother joseph me From.

2715
02:47:17,320 --> 02:47:19,920
Speaker 16: Liberia AND i started looking at people THAT i was

2716
02:47:20,280 --> 02:47:23,960
Speaker 16: and Brother kevin from The. Caribbean that wasn't my, experience

2717
02:47:25,000 --> 02:47:27,039
Speaker 16: but we had been told. That but WHEN i looked

2718
02:47:27,080 --> 02:47:29,760
Speaker 16: at my personal experience and WHO i was working with,

2719
02:47:29,959 --> 02:47:32,640
Speaker 16: closely there were folks from THE, us but a lot

2720
02:47:32,680 --> 02:47:34,840
Speaker 16: of The african brothers and. Sisters so WHEN i, TRAVEL

2721
02:47:36,280 --> 02:47:40,640
Speaker 16: i have been very fortunate to meet the best people

2722
02:47:41,200 --> 02:47:43,520
Speaker 16: who do nothing but help my work because when they

2723
02:47:43,640 --> 02:47:46,400
Speaker 16: learned It i'm in the. Area i'm not REPRESENTING, Usaid

2724
02:47:46,879 --> 02:47:49,920
Speaker 16: i'm not representing The State. Department i'm not representing some

2725
02:47:50,120 --> 02:47:54,360
Speaker 16: foundation or some charity. Organization But i'm doing independent work

2726
02:47:54,760 --> 02:47:58,400
Speaker 16: to help us learn about their traditional culture and beliefs

2727
02:47:58,480 --> 02:48:02,120
Speaker 16: and the great culture that region that has. DECLINED i

2728
02:48:02,240 --> 02:48:05,680
Speaker 16: received support far more THAN i can ever imagine that

2729
02:48:05,879 --> 02:48:09,400
Speaker 16: these people see me as a valuable diplomat who is

2730
02:48:09,520 --> 02:48:12,720
Speaker 16: helping them maintain their. Culture and that's been my. Experience

2731
02:48:13,840 --> 02:48:16,240
Speaker 16: BUT i hear your, point, brother because what happens is

2732
02:48:16,320 --> 02:48:20,320
Speaker 16: that we're being influenced by a lot of the loudmouse

2733
02:48:20,520 --> 02:48:25,160
Speaker 16: online and not enough of us are challenging the narrative

2734
02:48:25,280 --> 02:48:28,400
Speaker 16: because social media has a tremendous impact. Now so when

2735
02:48:28,440 --> 02:48:33,200
Speaker 16: we look at whatever it IS x or YouTube or

2736
02:48:33,480 --> 02:48:37,680
Speaker 16: whatever it may, Be, Instagram, facebook we see we all

2737
02:48:37,800 --> 02:48:40,080
Speaker 16: can see a lot of the things that you're referring,

2738
02:48:40,120 --> 02:48:43,960
Speaker 16: to and it's not enough people who are in the

2739
02:48:44,040 --> 02:48:47,240
Speaker 16: trenches who have a very different, experience because anybody can

2740
02:48:47,280 --> 02:48:49,240
Speaker 16: get online and say. Anything and that's one of the

2741
02:48:49,360 --> 02:48:52,920
Speaker 16: problems is that with social media there's an, opportunity but

2742
02:48:53,040 --> 02:48:56,720
Speaker 16: there's also challenges because anybody can get, online anybody can

2743
02:48:56,760 --> 02:48:59,920
Speaker 16: say and post, anything and that's what gets pushed out

2744
02:49:00,760 --> 02:49:04,280
Speaker 16: by the, algorithms and gets pushed out by people who

2745
02:49:04,280 --> 02:49:05,600
Speaker 16: are responding to something.

2746
02:49:05,440 --> 02:49:06,080
Speaker 7: That they saw as.

2747
02:49:06,160 --> 02:49:09,200
Speaker 16: Disrespect so you have online feuds and debates that are

2748
02:49:09,200 --> 02:49:13,040
Speaker 16: really silly and ridiculous because on the ground it's not the.

2749
02:49:13,120 --> 02:49:17,080
Speaker 16: Same and if ANYBODY i have a documentary coming out

2750
02:49:17,120 --> 02:49:20,360
Speaker 16: on ancient cush based on my, sorry it's not just

2751
02:49:20,440 --> 02:49:23,360
Speaker 16: an so on cush not only ancient but also the modern,

2752
02:49:23,440 --> 02:49:27,440
Speaker 16: communities you'll see that people don't even know me WHEN i,

2753
02:49:27,560 --> 02:49:31,680
Speaker 16: come they can understand That i'm coming, authentically and it's

2754
02:49:31,720 --> 02:49:33,560
Speaker 16: the kind of support that you would only give to

2755
02:49:33,640 --> 02:49:36,680
Speaker 16: somebody that you, respect and what they are all saying

2756
02:49:36,959 --> 02:49:40,040
Speaker 16: in one village after another the most remote places is

2757
02:49:40,120 --> 02:49:45,600
Speaker 16: that they've never had a brother who's, independent who's a,

2758
02:49:45,640 --> 02:49:48,560
Speaker 16: scholar who's come among. Them they only see white, folks

2759
02:49:48,600 --> 02:49:50,200
Speaker 16: and then when they learn them from THE, us they

2760
02:49:50,240 --> 02:49:54,400
Speaker 16: automatically thing. White But i'm coming, Differently BUT i get

2761
02:49:54,480 --> 02:49:57,440
Speaker 16: the kind of support that you can only dream about

2762
02:49:57,879 --> 02:50:00,800
Speaker 16: with everything from, guides translator.

2763
02:50:00,959 --> 02:50:02,600
Speaker 7: Security even If.

2764
02:50:02,520 --> 02:50:06,240
Speaker 16: I'm not emphasizing some of those you, know supportive, groups

2765
02:50:06,400 --> 02:50:08,960
Speaker 16: they're they're doing it on their on their. Own so

2766
02:50:10,080 --> 02:50:12,240
Speaker 16: we have to re look at this and recognize that

2767
02:50:12,320 --> 02:50:14,520
Speaker 16: the algorithms are going to push out certain things and

2768
02:50:14,600 --> 02:50:16,920
Speaker 16: people who don't have the experience When africans are going

2769
02:50:17,000 --> 02:50:20,320
Speaker 16: to continue to push the narrative THAT i heard back

2770
02:50:21,120 --> 02:50:23,600
Speaker 16: forty years ago about The africans don't like. Us but

2771
02:50:24,560 --> 02:50:27,040
Speaker 16: that has not been my. Experience HAVE i had some

2772
02:50:27,160 --> 02:50:29,960
Speaker 16: money ins and, people, yes, uh this Lasting WHEN i

2773
02:50:30,080 --> 02:50:32,080
Speaker 16: was in living In, LONDON i went to The school

2774
02:50:32,120 --> 02:50:35,560
Speaker 16: of orient And African. STUDIES i was in the library

2775
02:50:36,040 --> 02:50:37,520
Speaker 16: AND i had a good day at the. LIBRARY i

2776
02:50:37,600 --> 02:50:40,280
Speaker 16: found some very important things THAT i needed and SO

2777
02:50:40,400 --> 02:50:42,080
Speaker 16: i was the one of the last people out of

2778
02:50:42,080 --> 02:50:43,960
Speaker 16: the libraries a few of. Us AND i was on

2779
02:50:44,040 --> 02:50:46,280
Speaker 16: the steps of the of the of the library at

2780
02:50:46,280 --> 02:50:48,760
Speaker 16: The school Of oriento And African, studies AND i was

2781
02:50:48,840 --> 02:50:51,600
Speaker 16: just putting some photocopies in my folder and a brother

2782
02:50:52,080 --> 02:50:53,360
Speaker 16: To methiopia, say, man.

2783
02:50:55,120 --> 02:50:55,440
Speaker 7: What are you.

2784
02:50:55,520 --> 02:50:58,279
Speaker 16: Doing hey, Man i'm just doing some research on ancient

2785
02:50:58,360 --> 02:51:01,720
Speaker 16: cush and you, know to original area that's now Called

2786
02:51:01,760 --> 02:51:04,560
Speaker 16: ethiopia by The. Greeks and then he looks say, no,

2787
02:51:04,640 --> 02:51:06,920
Speaker 16: no you work for THE cia and.

2788
02:51:08,480 --> 02:51:08,720
Speaker 7: Come To.

2789
02:51:08,840 --> 02:51:12,680
Speaker 16: Idis you come to my, COUNTRY i will kill. YOU i, said,

2790
02:51:12,760 --> 02:51:15,480
Speaker 16: Brother i'm here doing. Work so then he repeated, it

2791
02:51:15,920 --> 02:51:17,880
Speaker 16: SO i won't say on the air WHAT i told his.

2792
02:51:18,000 --> 02:51:21,080
Speaker 16: Behind BUT i put my stuff down and told Him

2793
02:51:22,160 --> 02:51:25,240
Speaker 16: i'm from the fieldmore In San. Francisco you say another

2794
02:51:25,320 --> 02:51:27,720
Speaker 16: word and you will not be leaving this area.

2795
02:51:28,240 --> 02:51:28,760
Speaker 7: On your own.

2796
02:51:28,800 --> 02:51:32,760
Speaker 16: Accord so he jumped, back ran off like a punk.

2797
02:51:32,640 --> 02:51:33,120
Speaker 7: Coward in The.

2798
02:51:33,200 --> 02:51:35,280
Speaker 16: Sissy but the bottom line is that so we have

2799
02:51:35,440 --> 02:51:38,800
Speaker 16: those kinds of, situations but that's rare in terms of

2800
02:51:38,879 --> 02:51:41,680
Speaker 16: my experience around the. World not to discount what you,

2801
02:51:41,760 --> 02:51:44,440
Speaker 16: say but we have to contextualize these stays and see

2802
02:51:44,480 --> 02:51:49,200
Speaker 16: who's pushing the, narrative because you, KNOW i can show

2803
02:51:49,200 --> 02:51:51,600
Speaker 16: a whole lot of more applicants that are with, us

2804
02:51:52,120 --> 02:51:54,879
Speaker 16: and And i'm sure some are listening in The, BALTIMORE

2805
02:51:55,000 --> 02:51:58,360
Speaker 16: dc area to The Carl Nelson program right now who

2806
02:51:58,400 --> 02:52:00,520
Speaker 16: will do anything to work with. Us but they just

2807
02:52:00,600 --> 02:52:03,120
Speaker 16: don't have the same voice and platform as some of

2808
02:52:03,240 --> 02:52:06,000
Speaker 16: the other folks that we see on social.

2809
02:52:06,080 --> 02:52:08,600
Speaker 2: Media, yeah and the other issue, Too.

2810
02:52:08,720 --> 02:52:11,440
Speaker 1: Professor you, know if they have a running with one,

2811
02:52:12,160 --> 02:52:14,800
Speaker 1: person One, african they don't even know what country's, from

2812
02:52:15,160 --> 02:52:17,760
Speaker 1: and it's a negative, experience and then they blame All

2813
02:52:17,920 --> 02:52:20,720
Speaker 1: africans throughout the diaspora that, way they don't like us

2814
02:52:20,720 --> 02:52:24,520
Speaker 1: because they had one experienced and negative experience that One.

2815
02:52:24,560 --> 02:52:26,920
Speaker 1: Africans it's the same thing with us. Too white folks

2816
02:52:27,000 --> 02:52:29,720
Speaker 1: have bad experience with one of us and they pay

2817
02:52:29,840 --> 02:52:31,840
Speaker 1: us all with the same. Brush so we got to

2818
02:52:32,160 --> 02:52:34,320
Speaker 1: we've gotta be you, KNOW i think a little deeper,

2819
02:52:34,400 --> 02:52:36,080
Speaker 1: family that's all it. Is BUT i think if you're

2820
02:52:36,080 --> 02:52:38,040
Speaker 1: clearing that, up, listen we gotta take a short. Break

2821
02:52:38,080 --> 02:52:40,920
Speaker 1: we got a bunch of folks got questions for, You Professor,

2822
02:52:40,959 --> 02:52:42,640
Speaker 1: ampi so we come. Back i'll let them speak with.

2823
02:52:42,760 --> 02:52:45,000
Speaker 1: You family YouTube can join us at eight hundred four

2824
02:52:45,080 --> 02:52:48,080
Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six ticket phone calls

2825
02:52:48,280 --> 02:52:51,000
Speaker 1: next Angerand rising. Family thanks are rolling with us on

2826
02:52:51,080 --> 02:52:53,160
Speaker 1: This tuesday morning here with our Guests professor And may

2827
02:52:53,160 --> 02:52:55,160
Speaker 1: and New Am. Pin i've got some folks want to

2828
02:52:55,160 --> 02:52:57,040
Speaker 1: speak to him and we're talking about the The african

2829
02:52:57,200 --> 02:53:00,120
Speaker 1: ed issue of artifacts in some of these. Museums you

2830
02:53:00,120 --> 02:53:01,760
Speaker 1: can reach us at eight hundred and four or five

2831
02:53:01,879 --> 02:53:05,280
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy Six sis The kashiba's call us

2832
02:53:05,320 --> 02:53:08,560
Speaker 1: From Silver spring And. Maryland she's online Three Grand Rising Sister,

2833
02:53:08,760 --> 02:53:09,560
Speaker 1: kashiba the only.

2834
02:53:09,600 --> 02:53:13,920
Speaker 20: Professor I'm Pim Grand Rising carl and your gas professor

2835
02:53:14,040 --> 02:53:18,279
Speaker 20: And pim perhaps FOR. AMPM i hope you come often

2836
02:53:18,920 --> 02:53:22,680
Speaker 20: to The Carl nosen, Show Carl Nelson. SHOW i saw

2837
02:53:22,760 --> 02:53:26,240
Speaker 20: you on The Sister sheanise. Show also In, britain because

2838
02:53:26,280 --> 02:53:30,760
Speaker 20: The british want to know more About Black britain wants

2839
02:53:30,800 --> 02:53:33,840
Speaker 20: to know more about his. History, Also i'm looking at

2840
02:53:33,879 --> 02:53:40,040
Speaker 20: this from a slightly different. ANGLE i think sometimes you

2841
02:53:40,240 --> 02:53:43,320
Speaker 20: have to look at something that maybe sometimes to prove a.

2842
02:53:43,800 --> 02:53:47,640
Speaker 20: Negative there are three POINTS i want to emphasize. Here

2843
02:53:50,640 --> 02:53:55,640
Speaker 20: why can't when you look at the SITUATION i asked,

2844
02:53:55,680 --> 02:54:01,160
Speaker 20: myself why cannot these treasures be Of european Or arab?

2845
02:54:01,320 --> 02:54:05,560
Speaker 20: Origin why cannot they? Be number, one you look at

2846
02:54:05,600 --> 02:54:09,400
Speaker 20: THE dna of the, mummies which The egyptian government won't

2847
02:54:09,520 --> 02:54:14,119
Speaker 20: won't probably won't give access. To you examined to see

2848
02:54:14,200 --> 02:54:18,480
Speaker 20: THEIR dna of the ancient. Mummies number, two the actual

2849
02:54:18,840 --> 02:54:25,080
Speaker 20: history of The european cave dwelling and The arab sand

2850
02:54:25,160 --> 02:54:29,640
Speaker 20: dwelling of two to three thousand years? Ago where were

2851
02:54:29,800 --> 02:54:32,480
Speaker 20: they two to three thousand years? Ago look at their

2852
02:54:32,680 --> 02:54:36,240
Speaker 20: history to see where they. Were that's the number. Two

2853
02:54:36,360 --> 02:54:40,840
Speaker 20: they couldn't be the Ancient. Egyptians number three the amount

2854
02:54:40,920 --> 02:54:44,760
Speaker 20: of money that has been spent by The arabs and

2855
02:54:44,920 --> 02:54:50,880
Speaker 20: The europeans to con to build that museum that you

2856
02:54:51,160 --> 02:54:57,600
Speaker 20: if you prove all these, Things europeans And americans won't.

2857
02:54:57,320 --> 02:54:58,000
Speaker 10: Want to go to that.

2858
02:54:58,160 --> 02:55:01,840
Speaker 20: Museum THAT i heard at one time that a third

2859
02:55:02,160 --> 02:55:07,160
Speaker 20: of THE gdp Of egypt is from their tourist. Industry

2860
02:55:08,120 --> 02:55:10,840
Speaker 20: you know they. Don't they don't want somebody like you

2861
02:55:11,080 --> 02:55:13,240
Speaker 20: destroying their tourist, industry even.

2862
02:55:13,080 --> 02:55:14,760
Speaker 19: If they have to, lie, lie.

2863
02:55:15,000 --> 02:55:20,520
Speaker 20: LIE i think that sometimes you just have to look at,

2864
02:55:20,560 --> 02:55:26,680
Speaker 20: them at the liar himself and disprove everything he's saying

2865
02:55:27,400 --> 02:55:28,680
Speaker 20: by looking at his own.

2866
02:55:28,920 --> 02:55:35,440
Speaker 16: History what do you say about, That, WELL i appreciate the.

2867
02:55:35,800 --> 02:55:38,000
Speaker 16: QUESTION i think that you might have actually set up

2868
02:55:38,040 --> 02:55:42,119
Speaker 16: that interview with Sisters denise out of THE, UK i. Believe,

2869
02:55:42,600 --> 02:55:45,800
Speaker 16: yeah SO i appreciate. That, well, yeah of, course we

2870
02:55:45,920 --> 02:55:47,520
Speaker 16: have to look at we have to look at. Everything

2871
02:55:47,680 --> 02:55:50,000
Speaker 16: there's no question, oncesoever we look at the whole and

2872
02:55:50,200 --> 02:55:54,480
Speaker 16: full history in a in a chronological. Fashion so, yeah, no,

2873
02:55:54,600 --> 02:55:57,400
Speaker 16: no no question that tourism is a is an important

2874
02:55:57,840 --> 02:56:00,520
Speaker 16: part of the economy In, egypt and many, people a

2875
02:56:00,640 --> 02:56:03,880
Speaker 16: large percentage of people are employed in that. Economy, well

2876
02:56:03,879 --> 02:56:06,320
Speaker 16: it's been clear for quite a while when people will,

2877
02:56:06,480 --> 02:56:10,600
Speaker 16: say in The Chiro, museum for, Example i'll come the

2878
02:56:10,840 --> 02:56:14,480
Speaker 16: forgeries Of rajotep and not fret in room thirty two

2879
02:56:14,920 --> 02:56:18,000
Speaker 16: of that, museum WHICH i call the forgery. Room how

2880
02:56:18,040 --> 02:56:20,200
Speaker 16: come they haven't been taken off? DISPLAY i have to

2881
02:56:20,280 --> 02:56:23,960
Speaker 16: remind people that this is my. Work they're not going

2882
02:56:24,080 --> 02:56:27,200
Speaker 16: to take something off of display when it's making them

2883
02:56:27,240 --> 02:56:30,160
Speaker 16: a lot of. Money and this is the, case and

2884
02:56:30,280 --> 02:56:34,119
Speaker 16: this is why the museums exist to generate, income generate,

2885
02:56:34,200 --> 02:56:37,400
Speaker 16: funds but also mislead the. Public so of course my

2886
02:56:37,560 --> 02:56:40,640
Speaker 16: work is contrary to the. Propaganda and we have to

2887
02:56:40,720 --> 02:56:44,680
Speaker 16: always look at everything in a chronological, manner and we

2888
02:56:44,760 --> 02:56:49,400
Speaker 16: have to put everything in proper historical, context meaning when and. Where, so,

2889
02:56:49,600 --> 02:56:52,200
Speaker 16: yes that always has to be done in order to

2890
02:56:52,240 --> 02:56:54,400
Speaker 16: fully understand any, topic for.

2891
02:56:54,560 --> 02:56:57,800
Speaker 1: Sure all, right thirteen away from the, top al let's

2892
02:56:57,800 --> 02:57:00,960
Speaker 1: go to line, Five brother And coases only From chicago

2893
02:57:01,200 --> 02:57:04,519
Speaker 1: and grant rising brother And cosey your only, Professor.

2894
02:57:06,720 --> 02:57:11,360
Speaker 15: Grand Ryan zing and jump over my. BROTHERS i WAS

2895
02:57:12,440 --> 02:57:17,040
Speaker 15: i have to review a book THAT i, used Doctor

2896
02:57:17,120 --> 02:57:21,120
Speaker 15: barby writing my mentor years ago delegate the authority of

2897
02:57:21,240 --> 02:57:26,320
Speaker 15: teaching history to The black. Community AND i picked the

2898
02:57:26,400 --> 02:57:30,080
Speaker 15: books of The destruction Of Black civilizations By Chncellor williams

2899
02:57:31,200 --> 02:57:34,960
Speaker 15: And The African origin Of civilization by Shak antide whom you.

2900
02:57:35,240 --> 02:57:41,240
Speaker 15: Mentioned frus down them AND i used those, books AND

2901
02:57:41,480 --> 02:57:45,599
Speaker 15: i recently wanted to review them Because i've been suggesting

2902
02:57:45,720 --> 02:57:49,560
Speaker 15: the books to people to read and then reviewing. Them

2903
02:57:49,640 --> 02:57:52,240
Speaker 15: the first thing that jumps out and smacks me so

2904
02:57:52,520 --> 02:57:57,800
Speaker 15: hard is That arab supremacy is so much, deeper, longer

2905
02:57:57,879 --> 02:58:02,720
Speaker 15: and chronic Than white, toe and that they both combined

2906
02:58:03,040 --> 02:58:06,440
Speaker 15: over a long period of time to set us what's

2907
02:58:06,480 --> 02:58:09,480
Speaker 15: happening in the. Suit then now is what happened To, Egypt,

2908
02:58:09,840 --> 02:58:14,560
Speaker 15: Uh ethiopia coach before the, end the same thing that's

2909
02:58:14,600 --> 02:58:17,760
Speaker 15: happening with the rapid support forces the away. Ups but

2910
02:58:18,640 --> 02:58:21,240
Speaker 15: WHAT i wanted to ask you was what do you

2911
02:58:21,320 --> 02:58:22,279
Speaker 15: know of The Palermo?

2912
02:58:22,400 --> 02:58:28,200
Speaker 16: Stone, YEAH i appreciate The perminal stone is in The

2913
02:58:28,640 --> 02:58:32,040
Speaker 16: Chiro museum In egypt and it's an important. Stone now

2914
02:58:32,120 --> 02:58:35,320
Speaker 16: it's In, Palermal uh you, know part of it is In, Palerminal.

2915
02:58:35,400 --> 02:58:40,520
Speaker 16: Italy but it's important because it actually lists the early

2916
02:58:41,560 --> 02:58:46,520
Speaker 16: early rulers and in uh in kimmit do you have

2917
02:58:46,640 --> 02:58:50,360
Speaker 16: the early chronologies that are the early dynasties listed on

2918
02:58:50,480 --> 02:58:53,360
Speaker 16: The prelerminal. Stone so it's important because we have an

2919
02:58:53,360 --> 02:58:58,920
Speaker 16: authentic stone from Classical kimmate that gives the the the

2920
02:59:00,200 --> 02:59:03,200
Speaker 16: the dynasties of. Rulers so that's why The palermal stone is.

2921
02:59:03,240 --> 02:59:05,200
Speaker 16: Important and a lot of the artifacts like that are

2922
02:59:05,240 --> 02:59:08,960
Speaker 16: stolen and then these people who steal It europeans are.

2923
02:59:09,040 --> 02:59:11,880
Speaker 16: Careless they so a lot of these artifacts now are

2924
02:59:12,080 --> 02:59:16,160
Speaker 16: in disrepair and broken and broken off because the transport

2925
02:59:17,000 --> 02:59:20,520
Speaker 16: the theft and then transport was just. Haphazard so but

2926
02:59:20,600 --> 02:59:22,560
Speaker 16: the Palermal stone enough of us in, place so we

2927
02:59:22,640 --> 02:59:25,520
Speaker 16: can see some of the early rulers in there are king's.

2928
02:59:25,640 --> 02:59:29,199
Speaker 16: Lists there's different kings lists as they're called in different.

2929
02:59:29,320 --> 02:59:33,040
Speaker 16: Locations so we can put these king lists together to

2930
02:59:33,120 --> 02:59:36,120
Speaker 16: come up with a chronological list of ruling families In.

2931
02:59:36,200 --> 02:59:38,959
Speaker 16: Kimmit and The Panormal stone is one of those most

2932
02:59:39,040 --> 02:59:42,760
Speaker 16: important stones or documents that gives us the list of

2933
02:59:42,840 --> 02:59:44,200
Speaker 16: Early african rulers In.

2934
02:59:44,360 --> 02:59:47,520
Speaker 7: Kimmit got you.

2935
02:59:47,600 --> 02:59:49,360
Speaker 1: Ten away from the top. Ol let's go to line.

2936
02:59:49,400 --> 02:59:54,440
Speaker 1: Too speaking With Professor henry's calling us From. Baltimore he's online.

2937
02:59:54,480 --> 02:59:57,320
Speaker 1: Two AS i Mentioned, henry your question For professor Am.

2938
02:59:57,360 --> 03:00:02,440
Speaker 8: Pim, YEAH i was been helping up mission and we

2939
03:00:02,600 --> 03:00:07,320
Speaker 8: used to do archaeology with The bible and. Things and

2940
03:00:08,280 --> 03:00:12,119
Speaker 8: we had some museums here Called black And Wax. Museum

2941
03:00:12,560 --> 03:00:14,640
Speaker 8: you heard of that At?

2942
03:00:14,800 --> 03:00:18,120
Speaker 5: Uh, yes, yeah has?

2943
03:00:18,200 --> 03:00:26,560
Speaker 8: That and Uh Walter Carter museum. Downtown uh you heard

2944
03:00:26,600 --> 03:00:26,760
Speaker 8: of that.

2945
03:00:26,959 --> 03:00:27,119
Speaker 4: One.

2946
03:00:28,680 --> 03:00:34,000
Speaker 8: Uh we have a few museums, Here Regine Lewis museum

2947
03:00:34,480 --> 03:00:38,120
Speaker 8: that was just built about ten years. Ago you've been?

2948
03:00:38,240 --> 03:00:38,440
Speaker 10: There?

2949
03:00:40,120 --> 03:00:41,160
Speaker 7: No, NO i haven't.

2950
03:00:41,240 --> 03:00:41,360
Speaker 5: Been.

2951
03:00:43,040 --> 03:00:46,080
Speaker 8: Oh, yeah they have a lot of activities and things

2952
03:00:46,240 --> 03:00:51,720
Speaker 8: like that, here things like, that so you go all over.

2953
03:00:51,640 --> 03:00:54,520
Speaker 7: Huh, yeah, yeah.

2954
03:00:54,560 --> 03:00:57,560
Speaker 16: Doll one of the issues is that if you take

2955
03:00:57,600 --> 03:01:00,880
Speaker 16: a look at the museum in THE, us over thirty five,

2956
03:01:01,120 --> 03:01:03,959
Speaker 16: thousand the LAST i check thirty.

2957
03:01:04,000 --> 03:01:05,439
Speaker 11: Five this is BEFORE, covid.

2958
03:01:07,200 --> 03:01:10,080
Speaker 16: Over thirty five, thousand and only about two hundred and twenty,

2959
03:01:10,200 --> 03:01:13,480
Speaker 16: nine just over two hundred are dealing With African, americans

2960
03:01:13,520 --> 03:01:14,840
Speaker 16: so it's a fraction of one.

2961
03:01:14,920 --> 03:01:16,280
Speaker 7: Percent and so.

2962
03:01:16,400 --> 03:01:19,520
Speaker 16: We're just not museum. Goers and then you, know a

2963
03:01:19,560 --> 03:01:21,960
Speaker 16: lot of museums THAT i have gone, to they're not

2964
03:01:22,120 --> 03:01:23,920
Speaker 16: open all the. Time you, know you have to make an,

2965
03:01:23,920 --> 03:01:26,160
Speaker 16: appointment or they open just a couple of days a,

2966
03:01:26,200 --> 03:01:27,360
Speaker 16: week this kind of.

2967
03:01:27,400 --> 03:01:28,240
Speaker 7: Thing so, yes they're.

2968
03:01:28,440 --> 03:01:35,080
Speaker 16: Museums But Great blacks And Wax Brother Elma martin and LATE.

2969
03:01:35,160 --> 03:01:37,920
Speaker 16: Elm Martin martin and his wife had created that On North,

2970
03:01:37,959 --> 03:01:40,760
Speaker 16: avenue so very. Important people will go and See Great

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03:01:40,800 --> 03:01:42,360
Speaker 16: blacks And. Wacks but we just don't have a lot

2972
03:01:42,400 --> 03:01:46,200
Speaker 16: of museums around the, country just a few, hundred and

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03:01:46,600 --> 03:01:49,240
Speaker 16: it's just not the same amount of resources available with

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03:01:49,320 --> 03:01:53,040
Speaker 16: the same amount of focus as the general museums that

2975
03:01:53,240 --> 03:01:56,200
Speaker 16: you can see in different different cities around the.

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Speaker 2: Country, YEAH i echoed what you said about Great wax

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03:02:00,320 --> 03:02:00,800
Speaker 2: And wax In.

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03:02:00,920 --> 03:02:03,600
Speaker 1: Baltimore if you haven't seen their family you're in the

2979
03:02:03,680 --> 03:02:06,720
Speaker 1: area or a drive over Visiting, baltimore check it. Out

2980
03:02:06,760 --> 03:02:09,520
Speaker 1: it's it's it's. Great that's ALL i can. Say But,

2981
03:02:09,760 --> 03:02:12,480
Speaker 1: Professorly i'm. Pim Sister kashiba call back said she she

2982
03:02:12,879 --> 03:02:15,440
Speaker 1: thinks she. Didn't you didn't really fully answer the. Question

2983
03:02:15,760 --> 03:02:17,160
Speaker 1: And i'm not sure what the question.

2984
03:02:17,440 --> 03:02:23,400
Speaker 16: Was the QUESTION i don't know about you. MENTIONED i don't, know,

2985
03:02:23,800 --> 03:02:24,840
Speaker 16: Uh european And.

2986
03:02:25,000 --> 03:02:25,480
Speaker 7: Arabs.

2987
03:02:25,800 --> 03:02:28,279
Speaker 16: UH i, think, Well i'm not sure.

2988
03:02:28,200 --> 03:02:35,480
Speaker 2: Which, Which, kevin do you remember what it, Was Kevin, Kevin, Uh, Yeah.

2989
03:02:35,879 --> 03:02:39,960
Speaker 3: Yeah her question was about the how The arabs were

2990
03:02:41,360 --> 03:02:45,720
Speaker 3: not as, advanced they were still living in caves while

2991
03:02:46,360 --> 03:02:51,440
Speaker 3: armed people were actually inventing and. Discovering and she was

2992
03:02:51,480 --> 03:02:53,760
Speaker 3: saying that you didn't touch on that.

2993
03:02:53,959 --> 03:02:57,600
Speaker 16: Part oh that that, part, well the origin of The,

2994
03:02:57,720 --> 03:03:02,720
Speaker 16: arab the origin of The. Arab arab really represents desert.

2995
03:03:02,840 --> 03:03:07,920
Speaker 16: Dweller so these people are desert. Dwellers they're not original,

2996
03:03:08,040 --> 03:03:13,560
Speaker 16: farmers they're not originally in settled. Areas so The arab

2997
03:03:13,680 --> 03:03:18,240
Speaker 16: has been a. Wonderer they've been nomadic and this is

2998
03:03:18,320 --> 03:03:21,480
Speaker 16: why it wasn't a big deal for them to move

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03:03:21,560 --> 03:03:24,760
Speaker 16: in and conquer areas Of, africa because they're looking for,

3000
03:03:25,160 --> 03:03:28,960
Speaker 16: land looking for. Resources and so when they come in

3001
03:03:29,320 --> 03:03:32,840
Speaker 16: around six point forty of The Common era to the

3002
03:03:32,920 --> 03:03:36,760
Speaker 16: area Of North, africa to come in as, invaders and

3003
03:03:36,840 --> 03:03:40,320
Speaker 16: that's what we see. Today so they've been very. Destructive

3004
03:03:40,320 --> 03:03:44,000
Speaker 16: they're destructive right now in The sedan and they're trying

3005
03:03:44,040 --> 03:03:47,800
Speaker 16: to rewrite the history of not Only, egypt but claiming

3006
03:03:47,879 --> 03:03:50,040
Speaker 16: that they're the original, builders not hell con to be

3007
03:03:50,080 --> 03:03:53,959
Speaker 16: the original, builders when they were nowhere around until thousand,

3008
03:03:54,320 --> 03:03:58,320
Speaker 16: more you, know well over one thousand years After kimming

3009
03:03:58,440 --> 03:04:02,080
Speaker 16: is already. Gone then they in the seventh century of

3010
03:04:02,200 --> 03:04:06,959
Speaker 16: The Common. Era but they also are In sudan lying

3011
03:04:07,120 --> 03:04:10,080
Speaker 16: talking About newbians were not there and they're the original,

3012
03:04:10,400 --> 03:04:14,040
Speaker 16: landowners making up wild histories that have nothing to do with.

3013
03:04:14,160 --> 03:04:18,480
Speaker 16: Fact so this is why this war In sudan is

3014
03:04:18,600 --> 03:04:25,880
Speaker 16: being fueled by The ginguweat devils on. Horseback they identify As,

3015
03:04:25,959 --> 03:04:29,880
Speaker 16: arab some of them are Phenotypically, arab or folks in

3016
03:04:29,920 --> 03:04:33,879
Speaker 16: the community would say a rap and some Are african

3017
03:04:34,160 --> 03:04:37,560
Speaker 16: who identify with them because they Practice, islam they Speak,

3018
03:04:37,560 --> 03:04:40,560
Speaker 16: arabic and they in many cases they might have some.

3019
03:04:40,760 --> 03:04:43,120
Speaker 16: Mixture yeah they. Do and other times they make up

3020
03:04:43,120 --> 03:04:45,400
Speaker 16: a fake history of fake pedigree in their family in

3021
03:04:45,480 --> 03:04:48,800
Speaker 16: order to. Identify but They're, gingwee so you should not

3022
03:04:48,879 --> 03:04:52,960
Speaker 16: call them the rapid support. Forces that's a euphemism for

3023
03:04:53,080 --> 03:04:55,920
Speaker 16: what the local people In sudan called, them which are

3024
03:04:55,959 --> 03:04:59,240
Speaker 16: the ginguwea devils on. Horseback so, yeah they came in very,

3025
03:04:59,280 --> 03:05:03,600
Speaker 16: destructive just Like europeans came in very. Destructive so in either,

3026
03:05:03,720 --> 03:05:06,520
Speaker 16: case we didn't do very well with either of those

3027
03:05:06,560 --> 03:05:09,560
Speaker 16: groups when they came into the areas Of Northeast.

3028
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Speaker 1: Africa all, right five away from the, Top Miss richardson's.

3029
03:05:13,400 --> 03:05:16,440
Speaker 1: Checking next she's Playing Professor mail and she's. Online four,

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Speaker 1: Rise Miss. Richardson your question or your comment For PROFESSOR.

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Speaker 21: Mpm, yes all, right good, MORNING i got them on.

3032
03:05:25,959 --> 03:05:30,440
Speaker 21: Pin you, KNOW i noticed when people come, on such as,

3033
03:05:30,480 --> 03:05:34,920
Speaker 21: yourself they never point out The european as The Anglo.

3034
03:05:35,120 --> 03:05:40,360
Speaker 21: Saxon they always are shy from. That BUT i would

3035
03:05:40,440 --> 03:05:44,520
Speaker 21: appreciate it if you would really speak to the Being,

3036
03:05:46,320 --> 03:05:51,879
Speaker 21: British england and Other european countries that did these things

3037
03:05:52,040 --> 03:05:56,439
Speaker 21: to you, know take away the truth about those artifacts

3038
03:05:56,520 --> 03:06:00,880
Speaker 21: and things like, that BECAUSE i think it's important to

3039
03:06:01,000 --> 03:06:03,960
Speaker 21: point out who they, are The Anglo, saxon because we

3040
03:06:04,080 --> 03:06:07,240
Speaker 21: have a lot Of blacks who Hate jewish. People they

3041
03:06:07,320 --> 03:06:11,800
Speaker 21: hate White jewish people for some, reason and so they need,

3042
03:06:11,920 --> 03:06:14,400
Speaker 21: to you, know stay away from that and get on

3043
03:06:14,600 --> 03:06:18,279
Speaker 21: the real about who's doing the real trouble.

3044
03:06:18,040 --> 03:06:18,840
Speaker 2: With Black.

3045
03:06:20,959 --> 03:06:22,560
Speaker 1: We run out of time AND i want to give

3046
03:06:24,240 --> 03:06:27,520
Speaker 1: to respond thank you for Calling PROFESSOR pm real, quick

3047
03:06:27,560 --> 03:06:29,400
Speaker 1: and he was, Going Miss richard, said.

3048
03:06:29,840 --> 03:06:32,520
Speaker 16: Yeah just really. Briefly, well actually we did talk about

3049
03:06:32,680 --> 03:06:36,800
Speaker 16: The british and the Criminal, okay The, British, yeah they're

3050
03:06:36,920 --> 03:06:39,200
Speaker 16: They're Anglo. Saxon They're european.

3051
03:06:39,280 --> 03:06:40,400
Speaker 7: Descent so we said.

3052
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Speaker 16: THAT i don't know if you've heard the whole, program

3053
03:06:42,400 --> 03:06:46,520
Speaker 16: but they're the biggest criminals In. Europe is stealing tons of.

3054
03:06:46,640 --> 03:06:49,920
Speaker 16: Artifacts there's no. QUESTION i mentioned they've stolen over they

3055
03:06:49,959 --> 03:06:52,680
Speaker 16: have eight million artifacts in the. Collection most of that's.

3056
03:06:52,680 --> 03:06:56,320
Speaker 16: Stolen that's why there's a repatriation. Movement so they're, criminals

3057
03:06:56,440 --> 03:06:59,280
Speaker 16: there's no. Question once, well there's a criminal culture all

3058
03:06:59,400 --> 03:07:03,960
Speaker 16: Around europe and even Your. America they love the museum

3059
03:07:04,040 --> 03:07:08,000
Speaker 16: they love to conquer somebody in their. Artifacts so it's

3060
03:07:08,000 --> 03:07:11,440
Speaker 16: not just conquering the, people but it's conquering their, artifacts

3061
03:07:11,480 --> 03:07:13,120
Speaker 16: and that's what we should be aware.

3062
03:07:13,160 --> 03:07:18,160
Speaker 1: Of, yeah stealing now History Professor Pim, hocker folks reach.

3063
03:07:18,200 --> 03:07:20,360
Speaker 1: You are you working on another book real? Soon can

3064
03:07:20,440 --> 03:07:22,000
Speaker 1: you share anything of information on that with?

3065
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Speaker 18: Us?

3066
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Speaker 7: YEAH i appreciate.

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Speaker 16: It my latest book is a history Of african, CIVILIZATIONS

3068
03:07:27,920 --> 03:07:32,080
Speaker 16: A history Of African. Civilization so posts can contact me

3069
03:07:32,520 --> 03:07:35,680
Speaker 16: at main NEW mpm At. Gmail that's M a N

3070
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Speaker 16: u last, NAME MPM A m P I m At

3071
03:07:40,480 --> 03:07:45,040
Speaker 16: gmail and also go to the Website advancing The research

3072
03:07:45,879 --> 03:07:48,520
Speaker 16: you can. Support we have a documentary coming out on

3073
03:07:48,800 --> 03:07:53,480
Speaker 16: cush so folks can contact. Me i'm on YouTube Professor

3074
03:07:53,560 --> 03:07:58,000
Speaker 16: manu And pim Also, facebook but email me and the

3075
03:07:58,040 --> 03:08:00,240
Speaker 16: books available as well as some of my other work

3076
03:08:00,240 --> 03:08:03,520
Speaker 16: AND i have classes coming up as. Well go back

3077
03:08:03,520 --> 03:08:06,080
Speaker 16: to email and get those details and go to the

3078
03:08:06,120 --> 03:08:07,800
Speaker 16: Website advancing theresearch dot.

3079
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Speaker 1: Org all, right thank, You PROFESSOR. Mpim, hey, family that's

3080
03:08:11,879 --> 03:08:14,680
Speaker 1: it for the. Day classes. Dismissed stay, strong stay, positive

3081
03:08:14,840 --> 03:08:18,040
Speaker 1: please stay, positive stay. Healthy we'll see tomorrow, morning six.

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Speaker 1: O'clock right here In baltimore on ten TEN wlb and

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Speaker 1: in THE dmv on fourteen fifty wol