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Speaker 2: But we all have opinions on so many things.

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Speaker 1: And when Candace Owans is now creating problem, that's going

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Speaker 1: to lead to the possibility not only just Candace Owans,

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Speaker 1: Is, Felicia, grab myself a cigar, and I'm gonna speak honestly,

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Speaker 2: This is all nuts.

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Speaker 1: She is absolutely obsessed with the late Charlie Kirk, who

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Speaker 1: It's as nutty as Tucker Carlson saying I'm gonna buy

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Speaker 1: Nobody said otherwise. But buying a house at Qatar, where

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz, Tony Kats today, good to be here, Good

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Speaker 1: to be with you. We are not discussing whether or

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Speaker 1: Gonna go about lawsuits because you think that these people

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Speaker 1: in rationality. Nobody is perfect, No one is right one

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Speaker 1: you know, she's just asking questions. No, no, she's not, No,

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Speaker 1: They're unserrious, The accusations are garbage. The coosing up to

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Speaker 1: This is not about anything of value. This is about her.

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Speaker 1: And no one believes the con more than the Mark.

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Speaker 1: And for one, I like this shakeout. You'll never see

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Speaker 1: this on the left. They're okay with all, They're crazies.

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Speaker 1: I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today. So Colin

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Speaker 2: Okay, letter and let the rest of us laugh out loud.

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Good to be here, Good

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Speaker 1: to be with you, and the.

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Speaker 1: Jasmine Crockett has said shall win and she doesn't need

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Speaker 3: Oh, you make voters who previously voted for Trump, particularly

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Speaker 2: That's not our you need to. Our goal is to

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Speaker 3: Our goal is to make sure that we can engage people.

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Speaker 1: Because now what Jasmine Crockett is saying is, uh no,

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Speaker 2: Colin all Read dropping.

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Speaker 1: Out to run in the third district in a redistrict

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Speaker 2: We're going to find out so much.

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Speaker 1: From this, including whether or not the Democrat Party is

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Speaker 2: Watched the dollars in this race. I'm Tony Katz, so

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Speaker 2: I just caught this problem, Thomas.

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Speaker 1: The Supreme Court oral arguments, right, A bunch of things

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Speaker 1: I know what you're saying, Tony. That's a barnburner. It

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Speaker 2: Is there any First Amendment interests in coordinated expenditures?

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Speaker 5: I think that there is an interest, a First Amendment

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Speaker 5: That would pose a very different case and there would

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Speaker 5: It is speech. It is speech, and under Buckley what

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Speaker 1: You realize how technical we're getting here, but it's hugely

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Speaker 1: Is that whether it is whether or not we get

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Speaker 1: you did you not hear? Did I not play this

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Speaker 1: for you? This is like the end of it here.

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Speaker 2: Check this out. Do you think he's right? You think

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Speaker 2: it's not going to happen. I think Tim's right.

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Speaker 6: The idea of us getting this past the House, the

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Speaker 6: Senate and to the President. Now, I will agree with

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Speaker 6: Tim that it's not going to happen, but I'll agree

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Speaker 6: for a broader.

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Speaker 2: Reason which he said, which is we just don't pass anything.

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Speaker 6: So this is just another thing that gets cogged in

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Speaker 6: the wheel, right that we are no longer the greatest

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Speaker 6: legislative body in America. I mean, we're a wonderful communications body, right.

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Speaker 2: We don't even know about that at the moment.

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Speaker 6: But Tim does, I think pretty well on communications. I

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Speaker 6: mean he's not holding back how he feels.

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Speaker 2: Well, and yeah, that's true. I don't.

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Speaker 4: But the bill will go to if it pass this, ma'am,

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Speaker 4: it'll be some glowing piece of legislation, go to the Senate,

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Speaker 4: and guess what they'll amend it to something ill, something

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Speaker 4: a little bigger, a little better, that we cannot agree on,

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Speaker 4: and then it will die and both sides of the

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Speaker 4: House will say, those old one hundred year old guys

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Speaker 4: over in the Senate aren't doing anything. Then they'll say

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Speaker 4: those young punks in the house, I think because it's

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Speaker 4: a game. It's a game, and we got to wake up.

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Speaker 2: Well listen, like, how do you not agree with that?

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Speaker 1: I don't think there is such a thing as the

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Speaker 1: UNI Party. I'm one of the people is like, that

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Speaker 1: is just ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: There is a fundamental difference in the parties.

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Speaker 1: If I only discuss the idea of whether or not

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Speaker 1: you think a boy could be a girl and therefore

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Speaker 1: go through some level of surgical or chemical mutilation, there's

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Speaker 1: a difference between the parties. But how true is this?

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Speaker 1: They can insider trade on information. They get that if

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Speaker 1: you and I got we would go to jail. And

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Speaker 1: here's this legislation that birch It has got. He's got

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Speaker 1: that going with Promila Jayapaul of the Progressive Caucus, and

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Speaker 1: they know they can't get it through. So the money

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Speaker 1: thing is one of the things I think we can

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Speaker 1: agree on. Why don't we see more pressure on that.

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Speaker 1: What if the argument is, well, it's going to keep

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Speaker 1: us from making our millions of dollars while we're in Congress. Okay,

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Speaker 1: well we want We're not interested in you are millions

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Speaker 1: of dollars. We're interested in our dollars. That's the whole point.

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Speaker 1: And maybe your lifelong career shouldn't be in Congress.

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Speaker 2: It's Evan say it.

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Speaker 1: The humor is who says Congress is the only place

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Speaker 1: you get elected to when you're twenty five and you

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Speaker 1: leave when you die. That's the problem. That's the issue.

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Speaker 1: So I would think that we could agree on this.

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Speaker 1: And that's what makes this case in front of the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court and everyone like it. If not just the

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Speaker 1: specifics of this case, all these is talking about campaign

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Speaker 1: finance laws. This stuff matters. This isn't in the ether.

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Speaker 1: It affects us who runs, how we live, and how

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Speaker 1: they're trying to engage some profit on our time and

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Speaker 1: on our dime. I want us to be able to

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Speaker 1: profit on our time and on our dime on Tony Kats.

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Speaker 2: And this is Tony Kats today.

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Speaker 1: The Barry Weiss effect over at CBS, catch this Tony

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Speaker 1: Docapole will now be the anchor of CBS Evening News

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Speaker 1: Totisey Coats or at worst Tony Katz Tony Kats Today.

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Speaker 2: Good to be with you.

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Speaker 1: Glad you guys are here. Tony Docapole is an interesting cat.

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Speaker 1: He does the morning show there on CBS with Gail

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Speaker 1: King and Nate Pearlson, and you probably know him from

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Speaker 1: being sat down and take him off the show for

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Speaker 1: a little bit because he was interviewing pseudo intellectual in

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Speaker 1: my view, Todanysey Coats. I think I'm pronouncing his name right.

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Speaker 1: I've heard her pronounce a couple different ways. And he's

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Speaker 1: a guy who decided he was going to write a

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Speaker 1: book about Israel and the Palestinians. I went to Israel

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Speaker 1: for a week and I've determined that they are guilty.

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Speaker 1: And Docapole, who is Jewish, pushed back against him, was

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Speaker 1: asking him tough questions. Well, CBS went nuts, you were

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Speaker 1: so rude to our guests and how dare you?

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Speaker 2: And they took him off I could think, took him

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Speaker 2: off the air for a little bit. It was crazy.

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Speaker 1: Enter Barry Weiss now taking over all of CBS News

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Speaker 1: and now Docapole he is going to be the anchor there. Wow,

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Speaker 1: that's first of all, how Christopher Walkin was that. Secondly,

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Speaker 1: things change and someone's gonna say, well, is Barry Weise Jewish?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. By the way, it's Barry weis Jewish?

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Speaker 2: I think so, I think she is.

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Speaker 1: And then they're gonna say, you see, you see that's

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Speaker 1: that's exactly the connection. And see how they're they're they're

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Speaker 1: connected and she's just doing this because listen, if if

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Speaker 1: that's going to move people, honestly, tune into the next

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Speaker 1: episode of Candace and hear all about it.

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Speaker 4: Ah.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I did the checking myself, Producer Land and thank you.

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Speaker 1: I didn't need to check anything else. I just immediately

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Speaker 1: went to my Uh. I have an app on my

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Speaker 1: phone called jefinder, which is weird because Nick Flint says

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Speaker 1: the same app, but we use it for different purposes.

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Speaker 2: And I looked and boomed, there she was. There, she was.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think it's interesting. I didn't I went

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Speaker 2: for a second there.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't one hundred percent sure because I've never seen

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Speaker 1: her at the meetings that we have where we decide

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Speaker 1: who's going to control the banks this week? Do me

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Speaker 1: a favor and uh and send all of your hate

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Speaker 1: mails to Buck at yahoo dot com of Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he'll take a good look at that right there.

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Speaker 1: This is a move that signals to CBS that it

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Speaker 1: isn't business as usual. I'm not saying that Docable is

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Speaker 1: some kind of conservative. I have no idea, and the

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Speaker 1: less I know about his politics.

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Speaker 2: The better if I'm getting actual news.

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Speaker 1: Also, is being the evening news guy still the deal

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Speaker 1: it used to be.

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Speaker 2: News is twenty four to seven and it's on your phone?

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Speaker 2: Does does being on the news there? Does? Does it matter.

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Speaker 1: Being that guy I got to assume for the least

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Speaker 1: the contract. Yes, But the message it sends to to

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Speaker 1: CBS huge, huge.

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Speaker 2: Keep it here. I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony kat

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Speaker 2: sevent