1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:01,880 Speaker 1: I thought about this all week and by this Kenlly 2 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Casey jo I'm Rob that's Casey. And obviously the huge 3 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: news that came out on Friday, this is fascinating. So 4 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: I was set to do an interview with a writer 5 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: for CNN. He was he was doing a story on redistricting, 6 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: and we'd already set up the interview and I was 7 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: supposed to talk to him at four o'clock. And he 8 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: calls at four o'clock and he goes, well, I guess 9 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: the story all just change. And I talked to this 10 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: guy for about I don't know, maybe ten fifteen minutes, 11 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: and he was just you know, he said, look, follow 12 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: you on Twitter. No, you've got an interesting perspective on this. 13 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: You're very conservative, and yet you have this view that 14 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: is totally at odds with, you know, with the governor 15 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: and obviously the president. And one of the things that 16 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: is so clear about where Governor Brawn this like obsession 17 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: from the governor. And look, Trump's his own thing. We'll 18 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: get to that in a in a little bit. But 19 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: so you just take Trump out of the equation for now, 20 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: because Trump totally disconnected with what's going on in this 21 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: country right now, and his priorities are just completely out 22 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: of act. The Marjorie Taylor Green like all of this 23 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: stuff is just totally ridiculous. But if we focus on 24 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: our governor, you have a governor that he is now 25 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: because he will not listen, and by not listening, he's 26 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: not meeting the people where they're at. He is on 27 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: the verge of being completely donezo for the remaining three 28 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: years of his governorship, and he will be primaried and 29 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: resoundingly defeated like Todd Rokeita is probably starting the Rokeita 30 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: for Governor campaign as we speak. 31 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the happiest guy in the room from all 32 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:43,839 Speaker 2: of them. 33 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 3: Am I wrong on thissbody? 34 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: Like? It is so bizarre that you and this is 35 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: what has been fascinating me throughout this whole thing, so 36 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: real quick. I'm sure everybody's aware of this, but if 37 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,559 Speaker 1: you're not. Rod Bray, the pro tim of the Senate, 38 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: the leader in the Senate, on Friday afternoon, came down 39 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: and said we are not doing redistrict. Not only do 40 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: we not have the votes and essentially said, my guys 41 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: are I'm not gonna put my guys to this. We're 42 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: not even showing up this December first pow wow that 43 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: the governor had said he wanted us to do. We're 44 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: done here, yep, and Braun. Do you have Braun's response, Davis, Braun, 45 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: this is a guy who when we were begging him 46 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: to fight for us on property taxes, he. 47 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 2: Said, I still have to work with these guys for 48 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 2: the next three years. So you know it's veto symbolic. Yeah, 49 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 2: he said, it doesn't mean anything, right. Remember he went 50 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: on Tony Katz and because we. 51 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 1: Had said, look, mister governor, and I told him this 52 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,119 Speaker 1: at the infamous Rob Kendall Mike Braun last supper over 53 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: at state party where I begged him. 54 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 3: I was begging him. I said, do not sign this 55 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 3: property tax bill. It's going to be a disaster. 56 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: Everyone is going to hate you. You have no allies 57 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: in this. Nobody's gonna look at this and go what 58 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: a great deal. Veto it all the special session. At 59 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: worst it fails and everybody goes, hey, the governor tried, 60 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: and we will be behind you and we will support you, 61 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 1: and everybody will say it, well, least Braun fought for us, 62 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: and he could not get it in his mind. Like 63 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: I'm watching the I've been around people long enough, like 64 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: I can read them. I'm watching the wheels turner and 65 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: there's just nothing there. Like he can't fathom in his war, 66 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: in his world that he couldn't get a deal, and 67 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,119 Speaker 1: so he cuts this deal and people are begging, they're 68 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: like no, just like veto this calls and he goes on. 69 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: Tony Katson goes, well, there's no point, right, it's just symbolic. 70 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean anything. The special sesson wouldn't get us anywhere. Okay, 71 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: if that's your standard, fine, but that's clearly not your 72 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: standard on this. You are trying to move heaven and 73 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: earth to make these people vote for this redistricting that 74 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: the public overwhelmingly doesn't want. We've seen it in poll 75 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: after poll after poll after poll. We've also seen it 76 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: in these town halls, these public town hols where anybody 77 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: can come and speak, and people are not coming and 78 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: speaking in favor. And the average person is looking at 79 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: this and going, mister governor, whether it's property taxes or 80 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: utility bills, or the gas tax or whatever, you've had 81 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: so many opportunities to fight passionately for things that would 82 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: help us, and you won't do a damn thing but 83 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: this redistricting thing, which is total subservience to Trump, that's 84 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: all this is about. 85 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 3: You will not let that go. 86 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: And people are now starting to hate this governor even 87 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: more than they hated him before because he's totally out 88 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 1: of touch with what's going on. 89 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 2: Well with Bray saying they're not going to show up, 90 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 2: they're not doing the special session, in a way, he's 91 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: almost protecting Braun because if they do show up and 92 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,119 Speaker 2: still don't have the votes, it's gonna be on record 93 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 2: they didn't have the votes. 94 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 3: Yes, he was trying. 95 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: Bray is oddly trying to say Braun from himself because 96 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: it would go, it would fail. And what Rod Bray 97 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 1: is doing here, I mean, it's patently obvious what he's doing. 98 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:52,239 Speaker 1: He doesn't want it. He has taken a head count 99 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: of his guys when you couple it with the Democrats 100 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: who are against it, and he's realized we don't have 101 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: the vote. These guys, even the ones who want to 102 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: do it, deep down, probably aren't super passionate about it. 103 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: They're just you know, going through the motions. Why would 104 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: I subject my dudes to three three more weeks of 105 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: the screaming and the nonsense and so I'm just not 106 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: going to do that for something I don't want anyway. Now, 107 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: if Bray wanted it'd be a different story. He'd subject 108 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: them tone, you know, hot coals and everything. You know, 109 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: he'd send Jack Bauer in there to get those votes 110 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: if he wanted it. But he doesn't want it, And 111 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: so he said, I'll take the heat. I'm not up 112 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 1: for three years anyway. It doesn't matter what I say. 113 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: You know what I say because I'm the boss. 114 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 3: And so we're done here. And then Braun, do you 115 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 3: have the tweet? 116 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, he said. I called for our legislators who convene 117 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 2: to ensure Hoosier's voices in Washington, DC are not deluded 118 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 2: by the Democrats jerrymandering our states. Senators need to do 119 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 2: the right thing and show up to vote for fair maps. 120 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 2: Hoosier is deserved to know where their elected officials stand 121 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 2: on important issues. 122 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: This was the thing we were begging Braun to do 123 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: with property taxes. What he's doing with redistricting is exactly 124 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: what I begged him to do with property taxes. And 125 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: if he'd done it, he would have a lot more 126 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: leeway on what he's trying to do here with redistricting 127 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: because the people would say, Hey, this dude's a fighter, right. 128 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: He thought for us, now he's fighting for them. 129 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,239 Speaker 1: This is how he operates. And the idea that Braun 130 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: what is amazing to me, and like, there's so many 131 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: different ways we're gonna go with this on this show today, 132 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: and we can't spend the whole show on it, even 133 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: though I would love to. 134 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 3: Because there's just so much going on with this right now. 135 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 1: The idea that Braun, who failed miserably on property taxes 136 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: because he does not understand how the General Assembly works. 137 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: He's a I mean, he was in it very briefly. 138 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: When do you ut it for the largest tax increase 139 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: in the history of the States. But he is like, 140 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: he's such a Washington institutionalist at this point, and the 141 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: people he brought around him are such Washington institutionalists that 142 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: he doesn't understand and it's so bizarre that he doesn't 143 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: get this. The governor when the legislature is in session 144 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: in terms of actual rule making, has no power whatsoever. 145 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: You have to work with these guys. You're not gonna 146 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: bully them into anything. Clearly. Look, I mean, we got 147 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: tens of thousands of people call and write these lawmakers 148 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: during the property tax fight. It didn't they it didn't 149 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: make any difference. They're gonna do what they're gonna do. 150 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: And the fact that he learned nothing from that and 151 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: is trying the same approaching. You guys will show up 152 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: to vote, you will do this. They're like, we're not 153 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: doing whatever we don't want to do, and we're gonna 154 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: make you feel as much pain and punishment as he 155 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: possibly can because you're over here trying to be billy 156 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: badass with us. 157 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 2: So the lesson here it seems that Bray has more 158 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 2: power than Braun does. 159 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 3: He totally does it. 160 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: Let the legislature has always had more power than the governor. 161 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: The only times they have not enacted. 162 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 3: That is one when Mitch Daniels was. 163 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: Elected governor because the Republicans were in the wilderness and 164 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: they were like like, look, this guy's the golden goose man, 165 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: Like whatever he wants, we're gonna do. Basma long those 166 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: guys hated that, but they had to do it. And 167 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: then Holcombe covid because those lawmakers were like, we don't 168 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: want any part of this, we don't understand it, we 169 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: don't have the stones to stand up and do anything 170 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: about it. If this guy wants to put his power 171 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: pants on and have everybody hate him, then then have 172 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: at it. But that was an act of cowardice, That 173 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: wasn't That was an act of saving themselves. Ever, save 174 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 1: for that, in a post Mitch Daniels era, the legislature 175 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: has repeatedly said, we are in charge here, we are 176 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: the captain of. 177 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 3: This ship now, and you will do as we say. 178 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 2: And everybody's calling them rhinos, okay, and we're going to 179 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 2: primary him in three years. 180 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 3: You're gonna do that. 181 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 2: Let's think about this, Bray. At one point, I had 182 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 2: like seven million dollars in his purse. So you're telling 183 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 2: me that the RNC is going to give ten million 184 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 2: dollars to primary one senator in Indiana. Course in three years, 185 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 2: of course, oh no, Rob, We're going to do all 186 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 2: of them. 187 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 3: Yet it's utterly ridiculous.