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Speaker 1: Making this part of your morning ritual. Later, clinical psychologist

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Speaker 1: doctor jerome E Fox will take over our classroom. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Fox is, of course, the author of the best selling

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Speaker 1: workbook Addicted to White, The Oppressed in League with the Oppressor,

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Speaker 1: a shame based alliance. Before we hear from doctor Fox,

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Speaker 1: doctor James Macintosh from SEEMA tip that's the Committee to

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Speaker 1: eliminate media offensive to African people will join us, and

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Speaker 1: Momchell will speak with doctor Judis Ard. But let's get

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Speaker 1: Kevin first. To weldom the classroom doors and turn on

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Speaker 1: the lights for us. Good morning, Kevin grand Rising.

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Speaker 2: Hey, calm, how you feeling this morning?

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Speaker 1: I'm still learning?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yes, of course that's that's the door to.

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Speaker 4: Wisdom, not only the door to the calm Nelson University,

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Speaker 4: but the door to wisdom is to continue learning as

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Speaker 4: you evolve, even as you're never too Oh.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know what you said, Kevin, I just

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Speaker 1: to say that it's hard to imagine somebody who doesn't

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Speaker 1: want to learn. You know, I just thought about that.

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Speaker 1: Who doesn't want to learn? Who you know who do

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Speaker 1: want to get better? Wow? I don't I don't get that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But anyway, I'm still learning.

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Speaker 4: Right right, And if that person that doesn't want to

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Speaker 4: learn is in the room, maybe you need to go

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Speaker 4: to a different room.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a different class, a different class.

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Speaker 2: And that's what we've got here.

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Speaker 4: We've got a multitude of different curricula if you will, so,

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Speaker 4: you know, so you can learn on all these different levels.

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Speaker 2: That's why, you know, it's great that you have such.

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Speaker 4: A variety of minds and thinkers of our time on

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Speaker 4: you know, on.

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Speaker 1: Every day, so you know, right, and you learn it

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Speaker 1: at your own pace. You know, everybody's not going to

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Speaker 1: get it the first time they hear it. And this

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Speaker 1: is what I was talking with Don Nichols before he

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Speaker 1: why they have commercials. They repeat them over a lot

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Speaker 1: of times, so somebody may miss the class when you're on.

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Speaker 1: He says, I don't want to say the same thing. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I says no, you know, we find a creative ways

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Speaker 1: I've noticed that. But he dropped some gems on Wednesday. Family,

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Speaker 4: It was like he was in a zone, you know,

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Speaker 1: So we missed the colors.

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Speaker 4: We missed one of the breaks because of the fact

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Speaker 4: But I tell you, man, hey, well look, starting on

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Speaker 4: a sad note, civil rights leader Jesse Jackson was hospitalized

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Speaker 2: He's eighty four years old.

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Speaker 4: CNN they always want to report the age is if

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Speaker 4: one is causation, is you know, kind of like the

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Speaker 4: what happens, you know, correlation is causation, But I don't

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Speaker 4: think so anyway. So he's a protege of Reverend Martin

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Speaker 4: The acronym p SP stands for Progressive super un nuclear palsy.

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Speaker 4: And but he has been managing this neuro generative to

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Speaker 4: And so what does that mean though, Carl, I want

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Speaker 4: to ask you that when you when you're managing a condition, Well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got you've got people I hated use these

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Speaker 4: They originally diagnosed it as Parkinson's disease, and however last

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Speaker 4: And so because I well, in twenty seventeen, Reverend Jackson

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Speaker 4: So this disease PSP is a rare neurological disorder that

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Speaker 4: what heroes do, man, That's what heroes do. Reverend Jesse Jackson,

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Speaker 4: Oh the fact the fact that they wanted to publicize

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, Well, Reverend Jesse Jackson is a man

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Speaker 2: That positive energy that way.

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Speaker 4: In other news man Jeffrey Jeffrey Epstein emails, they say

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Speaker 4: the House Democrats supposedly released those emails that were sent

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Speaker 4: York Times. Democrats on the House Oversight Committee said the emails,

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Speaker 1: who's in these meetings. They called the meeting there to

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Speaker 4: Next on the agenda, NPR News reports that the longest

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Speaker 4: Till January, yeah, yeah, And so the outstanding interesting part

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Speaker 1: Because you know, you know what the cold thing about

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Speaker 1: this is Kevin the Republicans, they they don't have a plan.

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Speaker 1: Obama's name, American Healthcare, because the people called Obamacare, and

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Speaker 2: You mean when they asked Trump about a plan?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all these years, You've had all these years to

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Speaker 1: Not just Trump, the entire g OP. What's your plan,

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Speaker 1: what's your better plan? Just put it in front of

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Speaker 1: the American public. They don't care whose names on it.

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Speaker 4: Well, you announce your plans. That's the way to hear

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Speaker 1: At some point they got to tell folks man, you know,

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Speaker 4: Meanwhile, the Office of Management and Budget instructs fur load

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Speaker 5: Brother, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, my brother, thanks again for helping us. So

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Speaker 1: Right fair Rising, Doctor Desiree, Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 7: Good morning, mister Nelson. How are you.

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Speaker 1: I'm still learning and I'm learning this morning that that

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Speaker 7: Yes, as you know what, the hurricane has caused a

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Speaker 1: Right and doctor Taseral, let me ask you this, and

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Speaker 7: to see what they can find, what they can you know, say,

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Speaker 7: it's just it's bad.

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Speaker 3: Doctors odd well, I was gonna say that the count

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Speaker 3: of there right now, the loss of lives uh amount

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Speaker 3: to forty uh and again that I'm underlying doctor des

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Speaker 3: Ray's statement there that this is uh way more than

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Speaker 3: than than uh what Jamaica. Uh so yeah, and and

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Speaker 3: and they're still searching because there there were a few

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Speaker 3: missing people there, uh the sports so the number yeah, but.

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Speaker 1: Let me judge and ask both of this question though

447
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Speaker 1: doctors out and doctors as a right. There's all sort

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Speaker 1: of mobilization to help Jamake, you know on here, I'm

449
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Speaker 1: both eyes of the place is people are flying in

450
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Speaker 1: from all over the world. Actually it's to help entertainers, athletes,

451
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Speaker 1: you know, pouring in to help Jamaica. But nobody's helping Haiti.

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Speaker 7: I don't understand. Yeah, Haiti, Yes, nobody's helping Haiti. And

453
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Speaker 7: as you said, it's not even been mentioned. I don't understand.

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Speaker 1: Is it some sort of benign neglect that that's carried

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Speaker 1: over from before, because before Haiti is still struggling. You

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Speaker 1: still have a lot of problems. We talked about this

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Speaker 1: quite a bit, and you know, silence from the u

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Speaker 1: N silence from even our the black elected officials on

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Speaker 1: this in this country, the silence, and I'm just just

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Speaker 1: sort of, you know, sort of confused why people are

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Speaker 1: not rallying around Haiti like they do in Jamaica. We

462
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Speaker 1: got two Black countries, two Black highlands, and still one

463
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Speaker 1: is getting well fed and the other's being ignored.

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Speaker 3: So that's actually.

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Speaker 1: If do you know the answer, doctor Desi Rae, I.

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Speaker 7: Wish you no, we don't. We don't know the end.

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Speaker 7: So we don't understand. I mean, besides that, as I said,

468
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Speaker 7: we have bad government. But I just don't understand. I

469
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Speaker 7: just said two Caribbean. We're both in the Caribbean. We

470
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Speaker 7: are you know, we we are fitting the same crisis,

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Speaker 7: and for some reason here it is being ignored.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, doctor, doctors. The infrastructure can folks if they

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Speaker 1: want to donate. I'm gonna let you tell us how

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Speaker 1: folks can donate. But is the infrastructure better now? Is

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Speaker 1: the airport, saying Porter Princess that open yet? So if

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Speaker 1: supplies it could be flown in, it could not happen.

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Speaker 5: I doubt it.

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Speaker 3: This is no, certainly not. But however there's a good

479
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Speaker 3: gius though. There's the airport and sort of side of

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Speaker 3: Haiti Mackay Airport and twenty More Airport is uh uh

481
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Speaker 3: Grant opening this at Tibility this week and receiving the

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Speaker 3: first aircraft for the first time. So basically there is

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Speaker 3: good news. On one side. People can still reach Ta

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Speaker 3: Haiti using the Cafesian Airport or Kai Airport, so but

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Speaker 3: as far as port of Prince Brother, this is a

486
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Speaker 3: different ball game we're talking about. According to many herald

487
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Speaker 3: during the third quarter of this of this year of July,

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Speaker 3: from July first to September thirtieth, you have at least

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Speaker 3: one thousand, two hundred and forty seven people were killed

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Speaker 3: and seven hundred and ten injured. Talking about forty people

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Speaker 3: in Intiquab with natural disaster. Well, look at the other

492
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Speaker 3: side about what's happening here. We're talking about one thousand,

493
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Speaker 3: two hundred and forty seven and seven hundred and ten

494
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Speaker 3: injured perpetrated by gangs only, so let alone sexual violence perpetrated.

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Speaker 5: By armed gangs.

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Speaker 3: It remained at an longing level according to you and

497
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Speaker 3: so as I said from the start eight he has

498
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Speaker 3: been dealing with this. It's nothing new. And with all this,

499
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Speaker 3: this is nothing that you see. You will see in

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Speaker 3: the games. In any other country, they will be the

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Speaker 3: declared emergency and you would see people going in with

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Speaker 3: with with long guns to help. But no, it is

503
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Speaker 3: a different budgame.

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Speaker 1: Twenty sixth Auay, from the top of the family, we

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Speaker 1: have Haitian actors started Chooti. This artists brought a guest

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Speaker 1: with him doctor Ingrid does a ray and they're trying

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Speaker 1: to help Haiti. You know they were hits. They both

508
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Speaker 1: slam like Jamaica with hurricane right now, Jamaica's posting that

509
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Speaker 1: open up some of the attractions of reopening all the

510
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Speaker 1: tourists to come by. But Haiti is still struggling. Nobody's

511
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Speaker 1: even mentioning. It's not even in the news, not even

512
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Speaker 1: be covering the news. That's why we're talking about it

513
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Speaker 1: this morning because our brothers and sisters in Haiti they

514
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Speaker 1: need help. So doctor Desiree, what are some of the

515
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Speaker 1: things that they need?

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Speaker 7: Everything? Said Nelson. Everything, because we're trying to rest on

517
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Speaker 7: to see what if we could actually try to see

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Speaker 7: what if we can even provide roof for some of

519
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Speaker 7: the homes. We're just talking about the roof, but every

520
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 7: they need everything. That's a lot of homes that have

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Speaker 7: been desjoyed. People are just sleeping, you know, just and

522
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Speaker 7: open air. Food are needed, uh, clothing, they just they

523
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 7: lost everything. Everything is lost. Everything is ferish.

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Speaker 1: Now, do you guys have a mechanism set up if

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Speaker 1: people want to donate, whether it be cash or donate

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Speaker 1: clothes or food or water. Because you said you need everything,

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Speaker 1: do you have a mechanism self where people can make donations.

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Speaker 7: I don't know about in terms of I mean monetary donation. Yes,

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Speaker 7: because we're trying to organize different organizations back home to

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Speaker 7: see what they can do. But they're going to need

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Speaker 7: the funding as fast as it says to place this concern.

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Speaker 7: I really don't know whether there's a way for them

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Speaker 7: to spend food or none of these things, except that manager,

534
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 7: you know that if we spend money, they'll be able

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Speaker 7: to organize certain things locally to be able to feed

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Speaker 7: help the people cloth different things. But as far as

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Speaker 7: you know, shipping food from here, I don't think that's possible.

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Speaker 7: And I give you a few numbers though, if they

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Speaker 7: want to, If anybody wants to donate, right right there, because.

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Speaker 1: We'll come up on a break our doctors. Yes, when

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Speaker 1: you come back, I once you give out the numbers

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Speaker 1: of people want to donate and want to help. But

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Speaker 1: the question is, though, and I've been asking this all

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Speaker 1: morning before it be for doctor Azad and doctor Desirae,

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Speaker 1: Why why the neglect? The news meaning is now down

546
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: there nobody's talking about what's going on in Haiti again.

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00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: It's it's the island just suffers from some sort of

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Speaker 1: benign neglect. And and I keep hate using that that phrase,

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Speaker 1: but it seems like everything you know everything takes place

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Speaker 1: in all those of Haitians, So we don't care about that.

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00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: We you know, everybody's doing it something else, you know

552
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Speaker 1: where whether it be carry cam who should who should

553
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: be you know, helping Haiti and Jamaica or orther you

554
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: and should step in or somebody's even here. The members

555
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: of the Black Caucus, they step in when it comes

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Speaker 1: to there was with on other issues with Haiti, as

557
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Speaker 1: they stepped in with Aristeid was was in office. But

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Speaker 1: now the silence and folks are suffering and family and

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Speaker 1: one of the reasons I mentioned this, they look like

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Speaker 1: you and me, and there's only a boat stop that

561
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: makes the difference, you know, because we all made the

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Speaker 1: same trip, but we all came on different ships and

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00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: they stopped off at different ports. So there's no difference

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Speaker 1: between us and our Haitian brothers and sisters. So we're

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00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: going to need your help. Having said that, we got

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Speaker 1: to step aside for a few moments. And when we

567
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Speaker 1: come back though, doctor Ingrid Deserree is going to provide

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Speaker 1: him umus you want to help, and also doctor has

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Speaker 1: Art will help climb find the situation in Haiti. Again,

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Speaker 1: they were slammed by the Hurricane Melissa. Jamaica's been almost

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Speaker 1: back on their feet, a lot of construction, the tourist

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Speaker 1: sites that are opening up, a lot of money, people donating, athletes,

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Speaker 1: entertainers putting on shows. But nobody's doing anything for Haiti.

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Speaker 1: So we got to change that. So reach out to

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Speaker 1: his family at eight hundred and four or five zero

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Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six, and we'll take your phone calls

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Speaker 1: after we check the news. That's next and grind rising. Family.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for waking up with us on this Thursday. We

579
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Speaker 1: want to get seventeen minutes away from the top day hour.

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Speaker 1: I guess right now Doctor judis Art and he's brought

581
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Speaker 1: along with one of his friends. Got to Ingrid Desi Rae,

582
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Speaker 1: the Haitian activists, and they're trying to help Haiti. Haiti

583
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Speaker 1: got slammed by the hurricane. Just Hurricane Melissa. Just Jamaica.

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Speaker 1: There's all kinds of shows and conscious and benefits going

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Speaker 1: on for Jamaica. I see one. Just scroll in here

586
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Speaker 1: to take a place in Washington, DC at Elive Restaurant,

587
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Speaker 1: doctor Brook's place. They're having a relief dance party for Jamaica.

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Speaker 1: So doctor Brook, if you're listening, please do something for

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Speaker 1: our brothers and sisters in Haiti. Before we go back

590
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Speaker 1: to Dr Azad and doctor Desiree, though, let me just

591
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Speaker 1: remind you come up later this morning. We speak with

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Speaker 1: clinical psychologist doctor Jerome Fox, you know, and for his

593
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: best selling workbook Addicted to White, the Oppresston League with

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Speaker 1: the Oppressor Shane Based Alliance. And that's part I like

595
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: the title of Shane Based alliones. Before we get to him, though,

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Speaker 1: Doctor James McIntosh from SEEMA TAP that's the Committee to

597
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: Eliminate Media Offensive to Africans will join us tomorrow. Of course,

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Speaker 1: Friday we give you don't have a chance to free

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Speaker 1: your mind. All that means is thing for yourself. Reach

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Speaker 1: out to us on our open pH on Friday program.

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Speaker 1: It began promptly at six am Eastern time right here

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Speaker 1: in Baltimore on ten ten WLB and also in the

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Speaker 1: DMV on fourteen fifty WOL. All right, doctor Desiree, can

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Speaker 1: you give us give us some numbers where people could

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Speaker 1: call if they want to make donations, want to help Haiti.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely. The number is sixty three one, three, eight, four,

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Speaker 7: two five nine zero, And I'm gonna give you a

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Speaker 7: cash a Venmo and also an email address that would

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Speaker 7: help and it could be at the cashap would be

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Speaker 7: Dallas signed in grade capital I n g r I

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Speaker 7: D capital d E s I r E. So the

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Speaker 7: venol will be at Ingrid again capital I n g

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Speaker 7: r I D D genes j e A n n

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Speaker 7: I s capital d E s I r E. If

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Speaker 7: anyone would like to send via email, I could be

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Speaker 7: h C h M one eight h four inc I

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Speaker 7: n c A gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: Do that one more time for us.

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Speaker 7: The last one or all of them the email. Okay,

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Speaker 7: h as in Harry see asn't cats h as in

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Speaker 7: Harry again and as in Mary eighteen o four inc

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Speaker 7: I n C A gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: Got it fourteen away from the top. There, family, just

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Speaker 1: waking up. I guess as you just heard the voice

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Speaker 1: of doctor Ingrid Desiree. And also doctor Judis Art is

626
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Speaker 1: here as well. You've heard him before. We talked about

627
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Speaker 1: the plight, what's going on in Haiti, trying to help

628
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: the brothers and sisters in Haiti. They got slammed by

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Speaker 1: Hurricane Melissa, just like Jamaica did. And there's all kinds

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Speaker 1: of help coming to Jamaica. In fact, as I mentioned

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Speaker 1: some of the tourist sites that are already reopening again.

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Speaker 1: Those are you know, those popular sites that are back

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Speaker 1: open even though they still have some challenges. But Haiti's

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00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: being neglected this it's not even the news, it's not

635
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Speaker 1: even covering the new And I just mentioned that, you know,

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Speaker 1: right here in DC there's a relief party that's going

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Speaker 1: to take place at eLife Restaurant. That's doctor Brooks place

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00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 1: for Jamaica. We need to help our Haitian brothers and sisters,

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00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: and all our brothers in the and sisters. Then the

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00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: asked for have those of you who been listening to

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00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: this program you understand that you know, we're only a

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00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: ship away. You know, we all left the same destination

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00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: that were just stopped in different ports. That's that's the

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Speaker 1: only difference between us, you know, and and and doctor

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00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: uh doctor Nichols taught about cultural differences. He touched on

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00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: that as well yesterday. But anyway, we're trying to help

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00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: our brothers and sisters in Haiti because the toll, the

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Speaker 1: death toll, is the same or more as what happened

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Speaker 1: in Jamaica, and there's still a lot of people that's

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Speaker 1: that's missing and and Haiti doesn't have the infrastructure that

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Speaker 1: Jamaica has, even though the hurricane weakened when he went

652
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Speaker 1: over through the mountains in Jamaica and Cuba. But the

653
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: infrastructure is not really up to part. Just put it

654
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: that way. For our Haitian brothers and sisters. So they

655
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: need a lot of help. And as doctor Ingrid said,

656
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: they need everything. Uh doctor Azard, have you heard it

657
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 1: that any reports any around the world, anybody talking about anything?

658
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: Is the United Nations getting involved? Have you heard any

659
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: the Red Cross? Anybody doing anything for Haiti.

660
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 3: For that mother? Not not that I've heard. Politically, Uh

661
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 3: you know. And again Haiti is in a course bog

662
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 3: you one would ask, or perhaps it looks like the

663
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 3: situation of Haiti seemed to be perplex with the United

664
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Speaker 3: Nations as it is. So it's almost it's almost like

665
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 3: the United Nation knows, who know, not where to start

666
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 3: to touch the situation of Halee. So as far as

667
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 3: what the current, that's what's happening here at hand, especially

668
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 3: in Tigua. Let alone, mind you that this is a

669
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Speaker 3: city where I spent most of my youth, I mean

670
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 3: vacations like going out on summer, so I spent most

671
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 3: of my time because I spent the town where my

672
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 3: dad came from. So it's personal. What's upending there, Well,

673
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: there's people, We hear them and we see them firsthand.

674
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 3: This is a road that I can close my eyes

675
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 3: and I can see the whole towards my dad lakes.

676
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Speaker 3: So as far as the United Nation response to what's

677
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 3: upending there, I think this is a dubious Uh. It's

678
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 3: uncertain whether they even see it or don't.

679
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Speaker 1: All right, ten away from the top of tweet, let

680
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: me just read this tweet here cold I just got.

681
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Speaker 1: This is a thank you for your continued support and

682
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: for the shows that you featured on Haitians. I have

683
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 1: learned so much truly appreciate the inside that you have shared.

684
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: It should be a no brainer for us to help

685
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: the Haitians. Well, thank you for the person who sent

686
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: that tweet. But let me let me throw out a

687
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: challenge here to the faith community. I'm talking about the

688
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters who go to the temple, go to

689
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 1: the mosque, go to the in of God, go to church.

690
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: This weekend, I want you to challenge the pastor the mom,

691
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: the rabbis, all of them, you know, give out the

692
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: take this information down, take doctor Ingrid's information down, and

693
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 1: tell them that our brothers and sisters in Haiti need help.

694
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: They're being ignored and they shouldn't be ignored. You know,

695
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: we talk about as taxpayers too, Maybe we need to

696
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: start calling our representatives. Our tax money is going to uh,

697
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: going to Argentina in the billions. As I mentioned, the

698
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: largest aircraft in the world is sitting off the coast

699
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: of Venezuela. You know, that's our money that's being spent.

700
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: And this is one of the reasons we talk about voting,

701
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: But that's how money. It's just being spent. Wouldn't you

702
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: rather your tax dollars help some poor people who look

703
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: like you? This is what we're asking this morning. So

704
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: doctor doctor Ingrid Desiree's with Usten, Doctor Judith's art doctor

705
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: Ingrid back to the because we don't know the aras

706
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: in Haiti. You just mentioned the cities. I know Haitian

707
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters know where what you're talking about. You know,

708
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: most of us just know that there's a amb portter

709
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: prince and some people know are cam't Haitient, But other

710
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: than that, we're not familiar with the area. What side

711
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: of the country was hit at the hardest by the hurricane.

712
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 7: That's the southwest to should see Glove and Jack Mayl.

713
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 7: That's what the most impact is.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it is it a populous era. Was there a

715
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Speaker 1: lot of people live there like in the capitol?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

717
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Speaker 7: Yes, I think it's about is it twelve thousand?

718
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Speaker 3: Uh, let's as well, it might be difficult to uh

719
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Speaker 3: enumerate at this port of why the course of the

720
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Speaker 3: gang violence that's as taking person Haiti and for the prince,

721
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Speaker 3: a lot of people have you know, there's a lot

722
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Speaker 3: of movements, people have been going in different directions. I

723
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 3: mean there's this population have been you know. Yeah, it's

724
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 3: way more people than that because Quarto Prince itself had

725
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 3: before everything started, I had about four million people. Now

726
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 3: you can't you can't even I don't think there is

727
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 3: a million and porter prints let alone. Just just so

728
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 3: you know, you have an idea of geographically how it

729
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 3: looks like. If you come from Potter Prince and your

730
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 3: head south and you're gonna hate car Fool, which is

731
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Speaker 3: part of the Western department. Tigwab is of the Tiguab

732
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 3: the area, the affected area that we're talking about is

733
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Speaker 3: also in the west because Haiti has ten departments, right,

734
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Speaker 3: so this Tiguab is part of the western department, West department,

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Speaker 3: which is actually actually sub area of Woto Prints if

736
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Speaker 3: you will, but southeast where Jamel is actually southeast technically

737
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Speaker 3: on top of Poto Prints in the southern east. I'm

738
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Speaker 3: on the western side of Potter Prints as well, called

739
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Speaker 3: it Jackman the southeast of Porto Prints. That's a different

740
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 3: department itself. So basically the western part of what open

741
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 3: that of Hade that the most instigat, and the southeast

742
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Speaker 3: part of it which is now where the part but

743
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Speaker 3: those are seriously populated area, all right.

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Speaker 1: Stix away from the top of the our founidly that's

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Speaker 1: doctor juw desided along with doctor Ingrid desert Ray, the Haitians,

746
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: the Haitian activists in America and trying to help our

747
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters on the island. They got slammed by

748
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Speaker 1: a hurricane, Melissa, but nobody's talking about they're not getting

749
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: any help. They're just being ignored. And we've got to

750
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: figure out a way how to help our brothers and sisters.

751
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,720
Speaker 1: So far, and I mentioned the challenge to the churches,

752
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,439
Speaker 1: but Also our elected officials are congress folks. Congress people

753
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: got involved when Arion Steve was there and then getting

754
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: hier steeds and shuttling back and forth to Africa. So

755
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, you get involved in political stuffs and you

756
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: know who you are because I was there. I know

757
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: who they are as well. We want to see a

758
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: new step up your game and help the brothers and

759
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: sisters socially now trying to help Stevens to try to

760
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: help some people on the ground, the poor people who

761
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: have no representation and we need help. And if they're

762
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: only going to get help, they're going to get it

763
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: from us. Because the entire world just ignores Haiti for

764
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: some reason or the other. There's no target at the

765
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Speaker 1: United Nations. They haven't sent folks down there try to help,

766
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Speaker 1: you know, as I mentioned the close by Jamaica, close by,

767
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: they all kinds of help, all kinds of shows, athletes,

768
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: they're putting on money and people flying in is to help.

769
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: Nobody's doing it for Haiti, just just neglect. So doctors

770
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: are The last time we talked, we talked about the

771
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: gang situation and the fact that it's Barbecue that's the

772
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: nickname of one of the tourist gang leaders down there,

773
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: and I know they State upon put a bounty on

774
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: his head. Maybe get the king if the State upartment

775
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: can donate that money they put on Barbecue's head to

776
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: help the poor Haitians that need help. What is that situation?

777
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: Have you heard anything of vague? Is he surrendered captured

778
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: or if you've heard anything different?

779
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 7: Now, No, she's still They're warming and she do whatever

780
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 7: you want us with the other games.

781
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he is. Also by the way, the office

782
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 3: the United Mission Integrated Office in Haiti uh stated that

783
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 3: the situation has actually gotten the worst and they much

784
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 3: with one hundred and forty five kidnapping forsm or and

785
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 3: also for four hundred victims of sexual violence in the

786
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 3: past quarter. So this man is well alive and is,

787
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 3: as doctor des Regius stated, he's warming the streets freely.

788
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: Are they still still doctors? Are they still snatching organs

789
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: out of the folks? You see five folks deceased in

790
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: the organs of missions. That's still going on?

791
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 3: That is that is the word the word on the ground.

792
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 3: I was watching a video of La mons Anjou, one

793
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 3: of the gang very notarious gang of the Vibos coalition

794
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 3: and he actually they.

795
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Speaker 1: Don't like the doctor doctors. I thought that we got

796
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: to check the trafficking weather at different cities. Family just

797
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: joining us. I guess he's doctor Judis Ard. You just

798
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,919
Speaker 1: heard him also doctor Ingrid desert Ray brother Haitian brothers

799
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: and sisters. They need help. They got slammed by Hurricane

800
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: Melissa and all the all the the I guess the

801
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: focus is on what's happening in Jamaico. Nobey's talking about

802
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: what's going on in Haiti. This is where we come in.

803
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: You want to make a donation, Keep listening and dtr

804
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: Ingrid Deserray will give her ou information that you can

805
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: help our brothers and sisters in Haiti. But as I mentioned,

806
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: we got to step aside and get caught up on

807
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: the lates' trafficking weather on our different cities. Family, you

808
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: want to join us, reach out to us at eight

809
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six. Will

810
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: take your calls after the trafficking weather that's next and

811
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 1: Grand Rising family, thanks for waking up with us on

812
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 1: this Thursday morning. I guess our Dr Judas Art, doctor

813
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: Ingrid desert Ray, doctors Ard you've heard it here before.

814
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: He's a Haitian activist and giving us a h information

815
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: what's going on with our brothers and sisters in Haiti.

816
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: As we know, they got slammed by the hurricane Hurricane Melissa.

817
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to play off Haiti against Jamaica

818
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: because I know, I just I hope he didn't come

819
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: over that way, but I just you know, pointing out

820
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: the fact that Jamaica got a lot of help, Haiti's

821
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: got nothing. Nobody's talking about Haiti, nobody's helping our brothers

822
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: and sisters in Haiti. This's what we're trying to do

823
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 1: this morning. Before we left for the traffic update, though

824
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: doctor Judah's daughters giving us an update previously, there's you know,

825
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: the island is really in chaos. To put it mildly,

826
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: there's just a lot of gang gang fighting going on

827
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: and people being killed, rapes taking place, and also snatching

828
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Speaker 1: of organs. So you were about to tell us to

829
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Speaker 1: give us an update. Is that's still going on or

830
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: all these things paused because of the hurricane Doctor's art.

831
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Speaker 5: Well, no, no, no, no, not at all.

832
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 3: If anything, it just makes it makes it easier. So yeah,

833
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 3: I mean I was talking about Yeah, I was talking

834
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 3: about these gentlemen. One of the members of these uh

835
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 3: called a coalition. Uh that m he himself. We're mentioning

836
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 3: that that such movement happening not far from where he lives.

837
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 3: So he's talking about the snatching organs right now, not

838
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 3: too far from where he stood. So, yes, it's taking place.

839
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 3: It's no longer it's not Uh we're not hyperbelchy or

840
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 3: we're not making stuff up. It's really happening there. The

841
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 3: worst of it is this, it's a prolific business, right,

842
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 3: so we know that. So who's behind it?

843
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 9: Haiti?

844
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 3: From its inception, we know that it's been fighting. Uh,

845
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 3: we've been fighting some some known adversary adversary. But but

846
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 3: now who's behind all this? Uh it's mind buggling. But yes,

847
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 3: as far as sexual violence at Haiti, that and and

848
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 3: let alone, that will and that's guaranteed it will bring

849
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 3: a film of psychological, economic, and social consequence.

850
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 5: Those survived.

851
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, they those type of behavior against their bodies. So

852
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 3: when we have kids, that's a probably ten or fifteen

853
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 3: now dealing with those scat of behaviors as it's hit

854
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 3: happened on September eleven, between eleven and fifteen, and and

855
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 3: and and see this so La where three children as

856
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 3: long as ten were beaten and another one were killed.

857
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 3: So when kids are noticing and observing and go through

858
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 3: those scint of drama dramatic events, it's very it's that

859
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 3: consequence on the future and how they lived socially. So

860
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 3: we definitely not only need that of that kind of

861
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 3: support right now, but we need good leadership and he

862
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 3: need people capable of changing and seeing and prepared for

863
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 3: those people in the future, because it's not going to

864
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 3: ge better even if you clean up the games uh

865
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 3: and create jobs in Haiti that the citizens that are

866
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 3: going through those kind of behaviors, the kind of drama,

867
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to deal with them psychologically around the city.

868
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 3: So this is a lot of work, and we need

869
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 3: to think about serious leadership.

870
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Speaker 1: Five out of the top of the family, that was

871
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: doctor judis at with doctor Ingrid Desiree. Doctor Macintosh is

872
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: going to join us, Mom and Chelda. But doctor Desiree,

873
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,280
Speaker 1: are you getting hated getting help from the Dominican Republic

874
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: next door?

875
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 7: Unfortunately? If they at all Unfortunately have to say if anything,

876
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 7: despite the condition the crisis in Haiti. Uh they continue

877
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 7: to deport mitations back home. Now we're not getting they

878
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 7: are not being good never at all. It is at

879
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 7: a course food right now. I mean, our challenges also

880
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 7: so enormous. You just don't know where to start, Okay,

881
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 7: it's just and in addition to having leaders that are

882
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 7: not really behaving like leaders, you know, the political instability

883
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 7: in Haiti, the lack of infrastructure and poverty, and I

884
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 7: think the privoty are suspended from the fact that we

885
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 7: don't have any leaders because Haiti does that resource this,

886
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 7: so I don't understand why we have a lot of

887
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 7: poverties in Haiti. But given the condition, the type of

888
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 7: leadership we have in Haiti, so things are very very

889
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 7: challenging for the people. You know, it's a struggle. It's

890
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 7: a constant struggle for the Haitian population in Haiti and

891
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,720
Speaker 7: also for us to hear because we feel we feel

892
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 7: their pains and it's frustrating that you know, they're not

893
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 7: getting the exposure that they need to everybody could see

894
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 7: what's going on. So it's it's it's really it's really sad.

895
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 10: You know.

896
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 7: For my year, we different organizations, we're trying to do

897
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 7: what we can to help each other, but that's not enough.

898
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 7: So we do appreciate you, mister Nelson, what you're doing

899
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 7: right now shedding light on what's happening. We need more

900
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 7: of that for Haiti and they help.

901
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 3: You.

902
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 1: Just remind the family that it was just a boat stop.

903
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,439
Speaker 1: Different family. You know, all of the answers at least

904
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: made the same trip. Both just stopped at different places.

905
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: It's no difference between us and Haitian brothers, Panamanian brothers,

906
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: Brazilian brothers. This is a that's how they you know,

907
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: this is how Pan Africanists think, and this is how

908
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: most of us should think because it's reality. But before

909
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: I mentioned doctor Macintosh's waiting for us. Before we go

910
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: to doctor Macintosh, doctor Desiree, can you tell us again

911
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: how come folks if they want to help, want to

912
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: make donations and thrown out a challenge to the faith community,

913
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: whether you be in a moscue, a temple, uh a church, Well,

914
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: really is this organization you're involved with? Please ask you

915
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: the congregation to help our brothers and sisters. And hey,

916
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: this this Sunday when you go to church or you

917
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: go to the Moscow, the synagogue too. You we want

918
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: some of those folks to help as well. So doctor

919
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: desiree give out the information how they can help, How

920
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: can I reach you?

921
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 7: Okay? Please? Donation can be sent to six three one

922
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 7: three eight four two five night zero and catch up

923
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Speaker 7: at Dallas sign in grade capital I n g R

924
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Speaker 7: I D capital d E s I r East is

925
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Speaker 7: in the desert, and then more at capitol I n

926
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Speaker 7: g r I D dash j e A n n

927
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Speaker 7: I s capitol d E s I r E is

928
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Speaker 7: Genie's desire and email is eight as in Harrie, she

929
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Speaker 7: hasn't kat. It's as in howe and as in Mary

930
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Speaker 7: eighteen o four and I n c A gmail dot com.

931
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: All right, a family, if you have that information, just

932
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: called keV. Right, Kevin has all that information. So if

933
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: you're driving on the way to work, in a shout

934
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: out all the teachers on the way to work this morning,

935
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 1: hopefully'll learn some stuff and you keep listening to us

936
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: and pass down to our young folks. But anyway, uh,

937
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,240
Speaker 1: if you're driving or at home and didn't get that information,

938
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: just called Kevin at eight hundred and four or five

939
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six he has the information from

940
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: doctor Deseret and he can help you and help you

941
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:41,760
Speaker 1: so we can help our brothers and sisters in Haiti.

942
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: Doctor Desiree, thank you, thank you for being on the forefront.

943
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: Doctor Azara, thank you because you have been on the

944
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: battlefield for Haiti for the longest. So I thank both

945
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: of you guys for joining us.

946
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 3: We appreciate you, appreciate you, appreciate you.

947
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 7: Yes, thank you so much. Yes, we appreciate the fact

948
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 7: that you're highlighting the infire that the hurricane has a

949
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 7: Haiti and shedding the light so everybody could know, as

950
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,399
Speaker 7: you said, is you know we are we are all

951
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 7: from the Caribbean. I mean one one is listed in

952
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 7: help the other one is not. But as you know,

953
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 7: as humanity, I think we need to remember that we

954
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 7: are all confirm the same place. Does we need to

955
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 7: help each other? Well, thank you for that as much

956
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 7: as Baschetable, especially when the help is really needed. So

957
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 7: we do appreciate your health. Uh, mister Nelson, well, thank.

958
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,919
Speaker 1: You, thank you, Doctor desire and thank you and thank

959
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: you for standing up too, because you know this impacts

960
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 1: a lot of folks. With you and doctors Augiere in

961
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 1: the front of it, so I thank you for doing

962
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: that for our people in Haiti. All right, family, we're

963
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: going to move on. It's ten minutes after the time mars.

964
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: Doctor James Mcatosh, grand Rising, welcome to the program. Oh well,

965
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: thank you, Dr Macintosh. You're part of a group, Cinotam

966
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 1: Cinemotap has been around for quite some time. I remember

967
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 1: back in the day. Is a Betty Dopson still involved

968
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: in Semo Town.

969
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely. In fact, she moved to Ohio and started

970
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 5: another branch there in Ohio called Semo Tap Ohio, And

971
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 5: she'll be back with us on the twenty ninth of November.

972
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 5: We have our annual what we call issuer table dinner,

973
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:32,959
Speaker 5: in which we basically have a free luncheon and people

974
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 5: give according to the kind of time they had. It's

975
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 5: a fundraiser for Semo Tap. But Betty usually makes it

976
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 5: in on those times, and so she's coming in to

977
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 5: New York to be with us on the twenty ninth

978
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 5: of November.

979
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, back in the day, we used to talk to

980
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: her quite a bit about Seema Tap. But the folks

981
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 1: who aren't familiar with Seema Tap, can you explain what

982
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: it is? What they let us stand for and how

983
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: you're started.

984
00:55:55,640 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 5: Sure, we're Media Watch Media Activists organization. We start it

985
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 5: in nineteen eighty seven, and so we monitor media. We

986
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 5: respond through various methods when we find media offensive to

987
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 5: our people, and in fact, it's so prevalent right now,

988
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 5: so we really we will generally respond when somebody specifically

989
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 5: makes a complaint to us or our own organization, someone

990
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 5: within it sees something so terrible, you know, So we

991
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 5: respond in various ways, sometimes with letters, sometimes with demonstrations,

992
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:36,959
Speaker 5: sometimes with what we call consumer education projects. Some people

993
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 5: might confuse those with boycotts. They look a lot like boycotts,

994
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 5: you know, because we ask people, you know, basically, don't

995
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 5: spend your money for your own degradation. And so those

996
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 5: are the kinds of things that we do and have done.

997
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 5: In terms of some of our most successful campaigns, there

998
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 5: was one called a Postbuster campaign, which we went church

999
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 5: by church and got people ministers to agree to talk

1000
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 5: to their congregation about a very racist newspaper that was

1001
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 5: in New York portrayed black people only areas of sports, crime,

1002
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 5: and entertainment for the most part, and so we eventually

1003
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 5: got to where we were influencing, you know, hundreds of churches,

1004
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 5: and the publisher of the Amsterdam Wilbert Tatum, said, we

1005
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 5: reduced the post circulation by two hundred thousand. This led

1006
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 5: them to begin to start to falsify their circulation figures

1007
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 5: and ultimately led to their bankruptcy. Again, that was one

1008
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 5: of our most successful campaigns. We also supported positive media,

1009
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 5: so when people like Gil Noble wander attack, we would

1010
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 5: bring you know, hundreds of people down to ABC where

1011
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 5: he was on TV and it influenced I mean, he

1012
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 5: certainly said that it saved saved his job at least

1013
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 5: on one occasion. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Those are

1014
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 5: the kinds of things many many others. I mean, I could,

1015
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 5: I could go on, but I just figured you just

1016
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 5: wanted a sample of the kinds of things.

1017
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I know what you guys do. I know

1018
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: about Gilnodle like it is on ABC. I remember when

1019
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: they put his office in the basement because we went

1020
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: out there and try to help him, as well as

1021
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: the radio station in Harlem. But I will talk to

1022
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: you about the recent fight that you had on your

1023
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: hands with the remake of The Good Times TV shares.

1024
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: Many of us grew up watching that TV shares and

1025
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: now they turned it into uh.

1026
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 5: What is it?

1027
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,439
Speaker 1: How would you describe what they turned it into?

1028
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 5: Well, it's far worse than a menstrual show. In fact,

1029
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 5: I came here today prepared to you know, I kind

1030
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 5: of just let you know that people that think that

1031
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 5: complaining about being are degraded in media is not important.

1032
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 5: It actually plays a role in life and death. The

1033
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 5: things that are promoted in that video basically are things

1034
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 5: that lead to the hop ten things killing black people,

1035
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 5: just as much of our music does. If you just

1036
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 5: look at the roles that black people play in these movies,

1037
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 5: you look at the things we say in these songs,

1038
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 5: or the things that have said in these songs about us,

1039
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 5: they actually lead to our death. So in that particular

1040
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 5: series they feature things. Now, I like to go right

1041
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 5: to the worst right over, because if you don't understand

1042
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 5: why this is unacceptable, then you're not likely to understand

1043
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 5: anything else we say about what's wrong with the show.

1044
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 5: They have a scene in which a student throws minstrul

1045
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 5: blood in a black boy's face, in which her mother

1046
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 5: tells her. The mother tells the girl student that if

1047
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 5: she wears a tampon, she'll become a whore, so the

1048
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 5: mother puts a diaper on her, she leaks. But you know,

1049
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 5: that's just one of the things. They have babies shooting guns,

1050
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 5: babies selling drugs, and all the things that kill us.

1051
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 5: If you take the top ten things killing us as

1052
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 5: p people, there are risk factors associated with those things

1053
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 5: that kill us. You know, So if you take something

1054
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 5: like smoking, for instance, smoking you can know, causes heart disease,

1055
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 5: it can affect cancer, it can affect aids, It can

1056
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 5: affect pneumonia, bronchitis, strokes, cirrhrosis. These things aren't random that

1057
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 5: I'm naming. These are the top things killing us. If

1058
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 5: you take something like alcohol, it causes accidents, it causes

1059
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 5: cirrhosis of the liver, it affects heart disease, especially the cardiomyopathies, cancer,

1060
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 5: just clems, yelling, pneumonia, broncho you know, those sorts of things.

1061
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 5: So when you do things that promote those risk factors,

1062
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 5: those behaviors that cause us to have those diseases more

1063
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 5: than other people and the cause the shortening of black life,

1064
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 5: you're really doing things that kill you. So they feature

1065
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 5: you know, like I use just four pictures from the slides,

1066
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 5: this weekend to show people what I was talking about.

1067
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 5: There's one that features a young boy who was given

1068
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 5: drugs in order to make himself smarter and larger.

1069
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 1: I mean that, Dr McIntosh. Oh, I thought I did right?

1070
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 10: Right?

1071
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got to pause for a minute, but we

1072
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: come back though. I want you to do that over

1073
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: again and tell us family, you want to join this

1074
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,919
Speaker 1: conversation with our guest, doctor James McIntosh from SEEMA TAP,

1075
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: the Committee to Eliminate Media Offensive to Africans. Reach out

1076
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: to us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight

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Speaker 1: seventy six and we'll take your phone calls next and

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Speaker 1: Grand Rising Family thanks us staying with us on this

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Speaker 1: Thursday morning. I guess is doctor doctor James McIntosh from

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Speaker 1: the SEEMA TAP. That's the Committee to Eliminate Media Offensive

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Speaker 1: to Africans and they got a huge job, Dr McIntosh.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you finish your thought, okay.

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Speaker 5: Well, I basically was telling you that this weekend I

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Speaker 5: had to do a presentation on this on this cartoon

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Speaker 5: remake of Good Times in which the images are so

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Speaker 5: negative and the activities are nothing like the original series

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Speaker 5: that aim on the air, I talked about how it

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Speaker 5: featured the you know, throwing minstrl blood in the black

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Speaker 5: boy's face. And I said that they had four slides

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Speaker 5: that showed people that showed people a slide of a

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Speaker 5: boy holding an automatic pistol on his younger brother, who

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Speaker 5: was a toddler. The toddler is a drug dealer who

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Speaker 5: also is involved in shootouts. The boy who's holding the

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Speaker 5: gun on the child in that particular slide is someone

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Speaker 5: who they said took a drug in order to become

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Speaker 5: smarter and larger, and he's so he's he's huge and

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Speaker 5: muscular now and he's smart now. This is this is

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Speaker 5: this is crazy because there are no drugs that are

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Speaker 5: going to make you smarter, are going to make you

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Speaker 5: larger like that, and even if it did, obviously holding

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Speaker 5: a gun on your younger brother. So you're promoting drugs

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Speaker 5: in the and the idea that you're telling people that

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Speaker 5: these things can do those kinds of of things that

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Speaker 5: people might want to do. So when you promote drugs,

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Speaker 5: you're promoting more accidents, heart disease, cancer, aids, pneumonia, bronchi,

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Speaker 5: the strokes, cirrhosis, suicides, homicides, and infant mortality. It's it's

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Speaker 5: not trivial. It's a it's a very subtle, perhaps but

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Speaker 5: harmful thing to do in the media. There was another

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Speaker 5: slide of a man calling a child the N word. Again,

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Speaker 5: this disrespect is that it's like the source of almost

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Speaker 5: all of these murders and things that occur there are

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Speaker 5: in this particular series. There were you know, we had

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Speaker 5: multiple slides that we've been showing every time we go

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Speaker 5: and demonstrate because we're showing people how negative this series is.

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Speaker 5: The fact that it's a carton. The FGC ruled in

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Speaker 5: the case of Joe Camel that a cartoon is you know,

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Speaker 5: it courses children to look at it, they think it's

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Speaker 5: for them, and that therefore makes whatever harmya particular cartoon

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Speaker 5: is doing worse than if it had been with you know,

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Speaker 5: real life features. In the case of Joe Camel, it

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Speaker 5: was a cartoon that was used to sell camel cigarettes,

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Speaker 5: and in some experiments that were done, it was shown

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Speaker 5: that if you took all of various cartoon characters, that

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Speaker 5: children could identify Joe Cammel the same way they could

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Speaker 5: have identified Mickey Mouse or these other popular cartoon characters. Now,

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Speaker 5: I think the thing that is also interesting is that

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Speaker 5: Simo tap is complaining about these things, and our supporters

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Speaker 5: are complaining. And we've been demonstrating in California, in Chicago,

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Speaker 5: and in New York at the Commissioner's office, the commission

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Speaker 5: of the NBA, because one of the executive producers is

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Speaker 5: professional basketball player, and at the offices of Netflix, the

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Speaker 5: distributing company that has been showing it, and there is

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Speaker 5: no white press coverage of it. Your show is one

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Speaker 5: of the few shows, Brother Carl, that has picked up

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Speaker 5: on this. But when they want when if other ethnic

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Speaker 5: groups are insulted, you see, it becomes like the World

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Speaker 5: War three, It becomes as a World War three was declared.

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Speaker 5: When Kyrie tweeted a link to a movie about a

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Speaker 5: book that some people said was anti Semitic, they went bananas. Now,

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Speaker 5: the reason I take up this thing of throwing the

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Speaker 5: menstrual blood in a black boy's face is because all

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Speaker 5: three of those religions, all three of the Abrahamic religions Islam, Judaism,

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Speaker 5: and Christianity, they all have some things to say about

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Speaker 5: how you know about menstruation. And in fact, the Viticus

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Speaker 5: in the Bible and Viticus in the Torah, they say

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Speaker 5: that if a woman is on a mensi, she's unclean

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Speaker 5: for seven days. They say if a man touches he,

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Speaker 5: he's uncleaned for the same amount of time. So how

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Speaker 5: do you not have any type of organized protests from

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Speaker 5: the religious community at cartoon's feature and throwing minstrel blood

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Speaker 5: in a black boy's face, even throwing blood in somebody's

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Speaker 5: face with you know, aids and body fluids would be terrible.

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Speaker 5: What I'm saying is such hypocrisy that if a young

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Speaker 5: man who tweets a link to a movie about a

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Speaker 5: book that they say is anti Semitic, the whole world

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Speaker 5: goes crazy. People want to pay five hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 5: in a compensation, People want to suspend people for five games,

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Speaker 5: and you know, all those sorts of things. And you

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Speaker 5: have various black people jumping up and joining the bandwagon

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Speaker 5: on this, and yet when black people are being defiled

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Speaker 5: in this way, you don't hear a peep. And I'm

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Speaker 5: of course exempting you. We really appreciate your giving this

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Speaker 5: some coverage because it's important that we show some ability

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Speaker 5: to resist this kind of thing, or it's only going

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Speaker 5: to happen.

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Speaker 1: There. Doctor Macan, Why why is the silence, you know,

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Speaker 1: I know the Jews Committee, they have the ad l

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Speaker 1: Anti Defamation League, So you say anything that remotely they

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Speaker 1: think that they can interpret that something's negative about Israel,

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Speaker 1: about Jews, they jump on all over it. Why is it?

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Speaker 1: Why is our community so silent when when these things

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Speaker 1: come down.

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Speaker 5: Because I think we don't see the link between it

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Speaker 5: and some of the what you would call real life

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Speaker 5: problems that our people are facing. You know, I wouldn't

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Speaker 5: expect somebody in the Sudan, with the tragedy that's going there,

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Speaker 5: or the Congo with the tragedy that's going there, or

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Speaker 5: with Haiti or Jamaica with those things to take time

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Speaker 5: from you know, the day to day things they have

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Speaker 5: to do to survive, to be paying attention to this

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Speaker 5: type of thing. But I would expect people that have

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Speaker 5: a one thousand dollars cell phones and two cars and

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Speaker 5: five or six televisions in their house, so that sort

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Speaker 5: of thing, and people who are concerned with their children

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Speaker 5: being brainwashed, their children seeing two hundred thousand murders by

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Speaker 5: the time they finished high school. I would expect our

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Speaker 5: people to respond, And if people were not such hypocrites,

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Speaker 5: I would expect the faith community to respond, but unfortunately

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Speaker 5: we're not the locus of control in this that there

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Speaker 5: are people that declare what's important and our people go

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Speaker 5: right along with it. If they tell them that it's important,

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Speaker 5: that Kyrie what Kyrie did it in a tweet is important,

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Speaker 5: well then they'll run around as though that's their biggest issue,

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Speaker 5: but you know, their own real biggest issues. You know,

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Speaker 5: it takes I think it was Carlos Cook said, you

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Speaker 5: know that black people respect white authority, and I think

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Speaker 5: that that's one of the issues that we deal with.

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Speaker 5: When Europeans are not telling us that this is it's

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Speaker 5: something that's important, well then it's not important. But the

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Speaker 5: hypocrisy of Europeans not feeling it's important, of thinking that

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Speaker 5: it's okay when we have the kind of homicide crisis

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Speaker 5: and suicide crisis that we have to have babies running

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Speaker 5: around with machine guns and using drugs and all that

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Speaker 5: kind of stuffs as images in a cartoon. That's a

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Speaker 5: that's a level of hypocrisy that I won't try to

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Speaker 5: I won't, I won't. I won't plead that case because

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Speaker 5: you know, they concern themselves with the things that are

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Speaker 5: that are that they're concerned with, and we're not one

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Speaker 5: of those priorities, because otherwise, you know, when you talk

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Speaker 5: about two and a half million people to six million

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Speaker 5: people being killed in the Congo, it would have been

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Speaker 5: considered something important. And that barely made a blip on

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Speaker 5: the American acilloscope. I mean, people didn't even pay attention

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Speaker 5: to it. They don't even know what's going on. And

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Speaker 5: I'm not, as you were, not trying to play Haiti

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Speaker 5: off against against Jamaica. I'm not trying to play the

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Speaker 5: Congo or the Sudan versus, the versus versus, let's say,

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Speaker 5: the Gaza. You know, there's a big difference between fifty

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Speaker 5: thousand people being killed and six and six million, and

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Speaker 5: so you know the fact that our people don't even

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Speaker 5: know about the six millions. That's why Simo Tap exists

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Speaker 5: to basically try to get some control of our informational life,

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Speaker 5: you know, to produce our own black media, to support

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Speaker 5: our own black media, and to oppose that media which

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Speaker 5: is trying to kill us. And because nobody is coming

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Speaker 5: to our rescue. Nobody is concerned with this but the

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Speaker 5: black community, and wholly certain segments of the black community, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, they thirty minutes after the top of their family

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Speaker 1: just join us. I guess there's doctor James McIntosh. He's

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Speaker 1: from Simour tamp that's the Committee to eliminate media offensives

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Speaker 1: to Africans. That's all of us who most of us

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Speaker 1: who look like us anyway. But doctor McIntosh talk to

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Speaker 1: us about the folks who revel in this kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: They love. They think it's funny. They don't see the

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Speaker 1: downside of it. And it's the same with the music

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Speaker 1: and the videos. You know, they appreciate and they love

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Speaker 1: these artists putting us down and they think it's funny

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Speaker 1: and they think it's and they'll shrug their shoulders and say, hey,

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Speaker 1: it's just entertainment. There's nothing serious, it's just entertainment. What

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Speaker 1: about those folks.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, surprisingly with this particular cartoon, that wasn't

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Speaker 5: the case so much. When there was a point where

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Speaker 5: brother Kwabin of who was with us before, he looked

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Speaker 5: at the likes and the dislikes and there were eight

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Speaker 5: thousand people that said they liked it, and there were

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Speaker 5: eighty thousand people said that it was trash. So you know,

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Speaker 5: it's not that we necessarily love all of it, but

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Speaker 5: we don't feel that we have many choices. Sometimes they

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Speaker 5: use us by using our African rhythms and this sort

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Speaker 5: of things that we're going to respond to, and those

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Speaker 5: rhythms open us up. We'll be dancing to things that

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Speaker 5: are insulting and dangerous. I remember I think it was

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Speaker 5: Chris Rock doing an imitation talking about being at a

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Speaker 5: party where the ladies wore all dancing to skeet skeet.

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Speaker 5: You know, well, they weren't dancing to it because they

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Speaker 5: want to be insulted or because they want to be

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Speaker 5: defiled or debased. They were dancing to it because of

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Speaker 5: the rhythms and the music and that sort of thing.

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Speaker 5: But when other people are controlling the distribution, they determine

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Speaker 5: what's funny and what's not funny. So for Seth MacFarland,

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Speaker 5: the cartoonists, in his cartoon, he thought it was funny

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Speaker 5: to have an Aunt Jemima character with Gwyneth with a

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Speaker 5: white lady, a naked white lady draped around her and

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Speaker 5: identified in the cartoon. This was another cartoon I think

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Speaker 5: was Family Guy, in which he said they said it

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Speaker 5: was Harriet Tubman doing Gwyneth Paltrow. See if you some

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Speaker 5: of the things that Dave Chappelle will joke about will

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Speaker 5: be some of the same things that they joke about

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Speaker 5: in this cartoon, but it's different. And humorss what's called

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Speaker 5: the butt of the joke, and in their humor, we're

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Speaker 5: the butt of the joke. We're the person getting the

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Speaker 5: minstrue blood thrown in our face. I can tell you

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Speaker 5: for a fact that there would have been a reaction.

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Speaker 5: There would have been a reaction from black pastors and

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Speaker 5: black theologians if it had been a black girl throwing

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Speaker 5: minstrue blood in the face of a child with a

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Speaker 5: Yamaica on it were there, would it would they would

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Speaker 5: if you would have thought that, as I said before,

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Speaker 5: that a nuclear bomb had dropped. But you can do

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Speaker 5: that to us, and you can't, you know, and that

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Speaker 5: you just can't get any response because of the phenomenon

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Speaker 5: of learned helplessness. We got so many things going on

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Speaker 5: with us that now I think you were asking me,

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Speaker 5: what about the people that think it's good. I mean

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Speaker 5: that's the majority. You know, if you just look at

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Speaker 5: the top ten rap songs, and we've done this, we've

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Speaker 5: shown that at any given time, you know, we did

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Speaker 5: the research We did the research, and we showed it

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Speaker 5: in charts, and we've gone places and spoken to people.

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Speaker 5: At any given time, if you take the top ten

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Speaker 5: rap songs here in America, they will promote eight or

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Speaker 5: nine of them will promote one or more of the

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Speaker 5: risk factors that are killing our people with those diseases

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Speaker 5: I was telling you about a minute ago. And by

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01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 5: the risk factors, I mean things like smoking, alcohol, promiscuity

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01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 5: and prostitution, guns, disrespect, driving, under the influence of the

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Speaker 5: drugs and alcohol, violence and drugs in the drug trade.

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Speaker 5: How do you have it that at any given time,

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01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 5: eight of the top ten rap songs will promote one

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01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:09,839
Speaker 5: or more of those, and more strikingly, one will promote

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01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 5: all eight. How do you accidentally get a record that

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01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 5: promotes driving and drinking or drugging and drinking. That's DUI

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01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 5: one of the risk factors that I spoke about. And

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01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 5: when you talk about those things, as I said before,

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01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 5: they cause the accidents, the heart disease, the cans for

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01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 5: the ape and ammonia, the bronchitis, the strokes, the cirrhosis,

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01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 5: the diabetes, the suicide, the homicide, and the infant mortality

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01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 5: which is killing our people. So a lot of it

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01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 5: is just not quote being woke, all right, And another

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01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 5: part of it is feeling helpless that they can't this

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01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 5: is the music that's out there, they can't do anything

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01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:50,760
Speaker 5: about it. Even the artists feel helpless. They feel that

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01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 5: if they don't promote produce music that does these things,

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01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:59,560
Speaker 5: that their music won't be played by these streaming services

1315
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 5: and the radio stations and TV appearances and that sort

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01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:10,640
Speaker 5: of thing. So there is an element of helplessness that

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01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 5: goes into it. There's an element of really being seduced

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01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 5: by the rhythms and the music that we love. You know,

1319
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:25,639
Speaker 5: we love that kind of music, and the negative message

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01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 5: is injected into us through that, through opening us up

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01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 5: spiritually really by the rhythms and that sort of thing.

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01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 5: And Sister Camille Yarborough is a person who has talked

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01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 5: about that how these rhythms open us up and they

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01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 5: make us vulnerable. And then there's no wonder that you

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01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 5: see the kinds of behaviors that are taking place in

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01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:45,879
Speaker 5: our community.

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01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, hold the right date, doctor, check the trafficking weather

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01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:51,599
Speaker 1: at different cities twenty four minutes away from the top

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01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:53,640
Speaker 1: of our family. Just check it in as voice of

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01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 1: doctor James McIntosh from SEEMA TAP that's the Committee to

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01:16:56,520 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 1: Eliminate Media Offensive to Africans. When we come back, though,

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01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:02,719
Speaker 1: from what I understand that most of the people buying

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01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 1: or downloading the offensive music white does that impact them

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01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:12,640
Speaker 1: differently than it impacts our young brothers and sisters. And

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01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 1: the question is, you know people are going to say, well,

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01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:17,680
Speaker 1: they don't have to listen to it, So I want

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01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:20,759
Speaker 1: you to discuss those issues when we get back. Family.

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01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 1: You two can get in all this conversation with doctor

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01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 1: James McIntosh. Reach out to us at eight hundred four

1340
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:28,680
Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take it.

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01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 1: Calls at the news that's next and Grant Rising family

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01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 1: sixteen minutes away from the top of thew I guess this,

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01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 1: doctor James McIntosh. Doctor McIntosh is from SEMO TAP. That's

1344
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 1: the Committee to Eliminate Media Offensives to Africans. Sort of

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01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 1: watch that group, just like some of you are familiar

1346
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 1: with the ADL, the Anti defamation leader the Jewish community

1347
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 1: have that watches anything and everything that they think that's

1348
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 1: you know, just mindly says something bad about Israel, about

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01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 1: Jewish They're all over them white on right. This is

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01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 1: what Seema Tap does for us. Before we go back

1351
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 1: to THEO the Mystery Mind, You're coming up later this morning.

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01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 1: We're gonna speak with clinical psychologist doctor dromy Fox. Many

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01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 1: of you know him from his book Addicted to White,

1354
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 1: the Oppressed in League with the Oppressor, a shame based alliance.

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01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 1: He'll be here later this morning and tomorrow's Friday, of course,

1356
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 1: and then we give you another chance to free your mind.

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01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 1: And all that means is think for yourself and reach

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01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 1: us on our open phone Friday program. We can promptly

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01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 1: at six am Eastern time right here in Baltimore on

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01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 1: ten ten WLB and also in the DMV on fourteen

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Speaker 1: fifteen WL. All right, doctor Macintosh. Before the news trafficking

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Speaker 1: weather update, I was asking about the question that people say,

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01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 1: why should we be concerned? This music is targeted, of course,

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01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 1: to our young people, so many of us don't even

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01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 1: know some of the artists that you're talking about. But

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01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 1: the other aspect is that they say, most of the

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01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 1: folks who are downloading these this music a white young

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01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 1: white children. Is this impact in them as well? And

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01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 1: if so, is it different a different impact than us

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Speaker 1: on our children.

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Speaker 5: Well, what I mean then, obviously we're all in this

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01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 5: particular society. We lived in this live in a society

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01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 5: where we want to or not. Any thing that is

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01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 5: promoting violence and disrespect and that sort of thing is

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01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 5: going to affect us. But I would challenge the idea.

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01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:11,040
Speaker 5: The whites of the majority are still a majority, and

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01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 5: certainly non blacks are the majority population of this country.

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01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 5: So non blacks are the majority population, they'll be the

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01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 5: majority with anything you're talking about, if you're talking about

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01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 5: buying gasoline, if you're talking about using the subways. But

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Speaker 5: the bottom line is is that at NBA games, which

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01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 5: lots of black people are watching, at HBCU games, they're

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01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:38,760
Speaker 5: playing this type of music at parties. You can't tell

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01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 5: me that black DJs on playing records that use the

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01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 5: B word, on playing records that talk about guns and

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01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 5: drugs and promote those sorts of things. If you talk

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Speaker 5: about in your schools, if you see young people in

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01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:55,920
Speaker 5: the hallways and they're doing their beats, and if they're

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01:19:55,960 --> 01:20:01,519
Speaker 5: not talking about drugs and alcohol, baby and all that

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01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 5: sort of stuff, then you're going to different places than

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01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,640
Speaker 5: I go. Even if I hear these booming systems in

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01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:10,960
Speaker 5: the cars as they drive by, I hear, you know,

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01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 5: a lot of negative messages. So I challenge the idea

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Speaker 5: that that other groups are listening to it and more

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01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 5: of a concentration and our people listening to it. They

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01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:27,120
Speaker 5: seem to be listening to it. But regardless of who

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01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 5: it is, if it's influencing our young people, you know,

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01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 5: it's dangerous for us when you see the behavior reflected.

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Speaker 5: You know, like if you if you give a person

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Speaker 5: a diet and you give them certain kinds of food,

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01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:43,640
Speaker 5: you'll see it reflected in their body habitats. You know

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01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 5: their body, you know, as they're just fortunate to have

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01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 5: a super metabolism. You know, you find people that are

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01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 5: overeating and doing that, they will be they will start

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01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 5: getting fat. If you find people that are eating a

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01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 5: lot of carbs and you know, they'll start getting diabetes. Well,

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Speaker 5: the same thing with this. If you're feeding your young

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01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:07,639
Speaker 5: people are diet of violence and disrespect and ignorance, then

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01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 5: expect violent, disrespect and ignorant behavior in your communities. And

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01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:14,919
Speaker 5: if if you're fortunate enough to live in a community

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01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:18,559
Speaker 5: where you're not encountering that, then I can understand apathy.

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01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 5: But if that's what you're encountering. If that's the thing

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01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:24,640
Speaker 5: that's bothering you in your neighborhood. If what's bothering you

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01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 5: is a bunch of young want to be boys in

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01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:32,640
Speaker 5: the hood standing on the corner doing various things, and

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01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 5: and and and you're worried about people breaking into your

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01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:39,639
Speaker 5: house and shooting up your blocks. If you're worried about

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01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 5: those things, then you should be worried about this diet

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01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 5: that you're feeding our children. That would be my response

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01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:45,560
Speaker 5: to that.

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01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 10: For the corner.

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Speaker 1: And this begs a question, who's feeding on you on

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01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 1: this diet?

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01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 5: Well, you know they're very certainly at the level of

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01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 5: the artists, there are some artists that are doing it.

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01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 5: At the level of the distribution, there's some people who

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01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:06,720
Speaker 5: uh suppress positive black music and suppress the positive and

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01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 5: revolutionary messages that some of our artists are are producing.

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01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 5: And at the level of the consumer, there are people

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01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:21,599
Speaker 5: who buy negative music. So that's that's that's the sources,

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01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 5: that's that's where each of those places is one of

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01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 5: the areas of low sigh of of of of of

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01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 5: of a problem.

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Speaker 8: People.

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Speaker 5: You know, when you go to the artists, they say, well,

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01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:38,680
Speaker 5: they have to produce it because this is what the

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01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:42,480
Speaker 5: people want to buy. When you go to the distributors,

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01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:44,720
Speaker 5: they claim that this is what the people want to buy.

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01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 5: But since we're not in control of those companies and

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01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:49,400
Speaker 5: we're not in control of that, we don't know. I know,

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01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:52,559
Speaker 5: Motown did pretty well without doing this type of thing.

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01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:57,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, most of us grew up on Motown. I tan

1443
01:22:57,240 --> 01:22:59,640
Speaker 1: away from the town now. But this, this younger set, now,

1444
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:02,920
Speaker 1: these most of them are not listening to us right now, Doc,

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01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 1: I guess that's what my question is. How do you

1446
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 1: reach the young people? Are young people who enjoy this

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01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 1: kind of music they think, you know, I asked one

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01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:13,559
Speaker 1: young man about the music. It was all cuss words,

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01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:16,720
Speaker 1: and I said, that's not music. Somebody just cursing. I

1450
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 1: just I'm not even singing that. Somebody just talking and cursing.

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01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:22,680
Speaker 1: How can I But he says he didn't hear the

1452
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:25,640
Speaker 1: curse words. He just he felt the beat and he

1453
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:27,639
Speaker 1: was moving and bobbing. He said he felt the beat.

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01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 1: The curse word and the N word didn't have the

1455
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 1: same reaction to him it would have to me and

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01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 1: you as an adult. How do we bridge that gap?

1457
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:38,000
Speaker 1: How do we get to those young people who understand

1458
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 1: what's going on here.

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01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:41,560
Speaker 5: Well, you have to work with them, you know, you

1460
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 5: have to meet them where they are with I've once

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01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 5: did a program about this that mentioned some of this

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01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:52,680
Speaker 5: for a science group. It was in my presentation on

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01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:56,719
Speaker 5: Blacks and Science and Technology, the history Blacks and Science

1464
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 5: and Technology, and then I brought it up and then

1465
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 5: I showed the research on the rap records and it

1466
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 5: went over big, and so they had me come back

1467
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:07,639
Speaker 5: to the school and they really brought in class after

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01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 5: class for that day. And they responded, you know, when

1469
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:13,519
Speaker 5: I were telling them about the when I was telling

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01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 5: them about the how do you have, at any given

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01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 5: time a record that promotes drugging and driving or drinking

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01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,920
Speaker 5: and driving? You know, and this is back a while ago,

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01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:26,040
Speaker 5: so they you know, as an example, I would I

1474
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 5: started doing the lyrics to one of Snoop Dogg songs,

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01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:32,320
Speaker 5: you know, rolling down the street, sipping on what, and

1476
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:35,679
Speaker 5: they started, you know, the kids offs shouted gin and juice.

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01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:36,280
Speaker 5: So we did that.

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01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:37,400
Speaker 9: We did a.

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01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:40,880
Speaker 5: Kind of a I don't know what you would call it.

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01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 5: It would be like a summer program one time for

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01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:46,400
Speaker 5: the children from one school called Bannaka, and we also

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01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:48,599
Speaker 5: had a thing called the Sons of Semo Tap where

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01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 5: we worked with young people. We had people come in,

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01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:55,680
Speaker 5: various people come in to talk to them about you know,

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01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 5: because like they say, you know, you don't complain about

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01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:01,719
Speaker 5: the honorable Isa Moahama said, you know, don't complain about

1487
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 5: a dirty drink of water. You put a clean glass

1488
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 5: of water next to it, and they will, you know,

1489
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 5: they will respond. And I know Betty at her school,

1490
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 5: she brought in uh two artists to Hutt nine and

1491
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 5: a brother named hru Patah and the whole day they

1492
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 5: did poems and stuff for the young people. It was

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01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 5: it was met, you know, very positively, you know, very

1494
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:29,680
Speaker 5: enthusiastic response. You got to try to meet them where

1495
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 5: they are. You've got to try to work with them,

1496
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:35,560
Speaker 5: and you got to try to hold their interests and

1497
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:38,680
Speaker 5: you've got to hold the people who are in authority

1498
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:42,719
Speaker 5: over them accountable. I mean, they don't have to play

1499
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:49,080
Speaker 5: that music at NB at h HBCU games, they don't

1500
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 5: have to play that music at parties that are sponsored

1501
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 5: by the college and sponsored by the high school. They

1502
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 5: don't have to permit it. But you know, to me,

1503
01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 5: that's some of the ways that you reached to young people.

1504
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:04,120
Speaker 5: But you know, it's not like it's an easy task,

1505
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:08,000
Speaker 5: but it requires work and requires people who are willing

1506
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:09,840
Speaker 5: to do it if you don't want to talk to

1507
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 5: them and you don't want to go around them. And

1508
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 5: I've had both good experiences and bad experiences. I went

1509
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:18,720
Speaker 5: to one school where a teacher was complaining that their

1510
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:21,200
Speaker 5: youngsters were there. And I mean literally the teacher had

1511
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 5: no control over the youngsters and they were, you know,

1512
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 5: as I tried to do the same kind of presentation

1513
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:28,080
Speaker 5: about the rap music and so on and so forth,

1514
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:30,120
Speaker 5: they would start beating on the tables and doing things.

1515
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 5: I didn't take it personally because I stayed there in

1516
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 5: the class and they had a They were supposed to

1517
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:38,800
Speaker 5: be doing something under region's conditions, in other words, under

1518
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 5: the test, the state test conditions. And there were two

1519
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:46,519
Speaker 5: male teachers and a female teachers, and they couldn't keep

1520
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 5: those children under control. And I think that data is

1521
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:55,720
Speaker 5: one of the consequences of some of this technology that's

1522
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 5: being used against us as decreasing their attention span. It

1523
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 5: shown owing them people out of control. There are people

1524
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:07,560
Speaker 5: who are who don't allow our leaders and parents and

1525
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:11,880
Speaker 5: stuff to get the children under control, and so there's obstacles,

1526
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:14,800
Speaker 5: but there are lots of people who are doing the

1527
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 5: work to overcome those obstacles, and that's what has to

1528
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 5: be done. Has to be a lot of work. That

1529
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:24,000
Speaker 5: would be my answer for the car stix.

1530
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:26,240
Speaker 1: Away from the topic of dtr McIntosh, I got a

1531
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 1: tweet question for your family. Just join us. Doctor McIntosh

1532
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:32,160
Speaker 1: is from SIMA TAMP that's the Committee to Eliminate Media

1533
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 1: offensive to African people. The tweeter says, doctor and McIntosh

1534
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:39,320
Speaker 1: the same messages heard in country and rock music. What's

1535
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:39,839
Speaker 1: the difference.

1536
01:27:41,439 --> 01:27:44,080
Speaker 5: Well, that's I don't think that that's true. It may

1537
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:45,960
Speaker 5: be more true now, but at the time that we

1538
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:49,759
Speaker 5: did the research, we took the top ten country songs

1539
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:53,240
Speaker 5: and the top ten rap records, and the top ten

1540
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 5: country songs were a mirror, you know, they were a

1541
01:27:56,600 --> 01:28:01,000
Speaker 5: reverse image of the of the And I can remember

1542
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:03,400
Speaker 5: the song that was out at that time. It was

1543
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 5: about a person who talked about taking a bat to

1544
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 5: the headlights and scratching that. That was the country song

1545
01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:12,640
Speaker 5: that was out. But all the other songs, you know,

1546
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:16,040
Speaker 5: let's say there were two songs that even mentioned any

1547
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:19,080
Speaker 5: violence or anything like that. The only other songs weren't

1548
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 5: doing that. It's not every now heavy metal and that

1549
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 5: sort of thing. I just don't know anything about that.

1550
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 5: But that is one of the characteristics of psychological and

1551
01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 5: or biological warfare that they are tailored to only impact

1552
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 5: on the intended victim. So that you know, if you

1553
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:39,439
Speaker 5: make a record called do It to Your Satisfied, I'm

1554
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:43,360
Speaker 5: going way back, okay, and you have a person that's

1555
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:47,600
Speaker 5: living in a white community with white picket fence and

1556
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:50,880
Speaker 5: a white house and a dog named a Spot and

1557
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 5: the cat named Puff and one and a half siblings,

1558
01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 5: that they could listen to that music and it might

1559
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:57,639
Speaker 5: not have any impact on them. But if you're dealing

1560
01:28:57,680 --> 01:29:03,400
Speaker 5: with somebody who's fall is in jail and who uh

1561
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 5: is living in the community, you know, with a lot

1562
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:09,240
Speaker 5: of other young people that are injured in this type

1563
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:12,559
Speaker 5: of way, then that song can lead to the child become,

1564
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:14,640
Speaker 5: you know, getting pregnant. And that's how it is with

1565
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 5: a biological warfare. If you have one that is only

1566
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:20,840
Speaker 5: going to affect people with high concentrations of melanin, you're

1567
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:23,120
Speaker 5: going you know, it won't affect the ones with low

1568
01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:27,400
Speaker 5: concentrations of melanin. And so you can have the same

1569
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:31,680
Speaker 5: phenomenon in different communities and different music and not have

1570
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:34,439
Speaker 5: the same impact. But if you really look at it

1571
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 5: overall white communities, everything is is that's happened in the

1572
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:42,559
Speaker 5: black community will happen in the white community also. It's

1573
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:45,640
Speaker 5: just that it's in a less concentration and they have

1574
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:50,960
Speaker 5: more more, more things to counter it, more things that

1575
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 5: make up for it. You know, if you have a damaged.

1576
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:58,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got to step aside real quick and take

1577
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 1: another look at the ch finish your thought. Also got

1578
01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:03,240
Speaker 1: a tweet for a person. He says he's white, and

1579
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:05,680
Speaker 1: he says his daughter's favorite song when she was eight

1580
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:08,360
Speaker 1: years old was Shaggy It wasn't Me. You remember that song?

1581
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:10,800
Speaker 1: I think this says it wasn't me. He says he's

1582
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 1: singing about so he doesn't think that. I guess he's

1583
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 1: implying that the music that our children are young people

1584
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:20,559
Speaker 1: here and it's not harmful. So I'll let you answer

1585
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:22,600
Speaker 1: those questions when we get back. Family, you two can

1586
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 1: join us and reach out to us at eight hundred

1587
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:26,680
Speaker 1: four or five zero seventy eight seventy six speak to

1588
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:30,080
Speaker 1: Dr McIntosh. Taking calls after the trafficking weather together. That's

1589
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:32,640
Speaker 1: name and Grand Rising family, thanks for sticking with us

1590
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:34,639
Speaker 1: on this Thursday morning. And I guess is doctor James

1591
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:37,960
Speaker 1: McIntosh from seem of Tampa Committee to Eliminate Media offensive

1592
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:41,599
Speaker 1: to African people title of his group. And Mama tell

1593
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:44,960
Speaker 1: we speak with doctor Jerome Fox, but doctor McIntosh before

1594
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:46,880
Speaker 1: we left for the break. I'll let you finish your thought.

1595
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:49,639
Speaker 1: And also tweeter, And the tweeter identifies himself as white

1596
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:53,040
Speaker 1: and says his daughter eight year old daughter's favorite song

1597
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:56,800
Speaker 1: was Shaggy It wasn't me so he and he doesn't

1598
01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 1: believe he did any harm to her. So my question

1599
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:02,200
Speaker 1: to you, I'll let you intelligence. Can a song have

1600
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:04,880
Speaker 1: different interpretations of different groups of people? Can they be

1601
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 1: specifically harm a different one said one group and help

1602
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 1: another group? Man, I'll put it that way.

1603
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:14,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that. As I said before, with all

1604
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 5: biological and psychological and warfare, the idea is to affect

1605
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:24,640
Speaker 5: one group and not affect your own group. But in

1606
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:27,080
Speaker 5: the case of this gentleman who says that his daughter

1607
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:30,240
Speaker 5: wasn't affected by it, Uh, this is what we call

1608
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:35,519
Speaker 5: in substance abuse treatment. Yet you know a person tells

1609
01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:37,600
Speaker 5: you because she tells you I smoke crack, but I

1610
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:40,519
Speaker 5: never saw my body. We said, well that's called it yet. Uh,

1611
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:42,439
Speaker 5: you don't you know. I don't know how old his

1612
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:46,000
Speaker 5: daughter is, and I don't know, but I would say

1613
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:50,120
Speaker 5: that most one dealing with a sample of one. You

1614
01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:54,400
Speaker 5: could have a room full of people with COVID and

1615
01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:56,439
Speaker 5: you could send ten people through and there might be

1616
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:59,360
Speaker 5: one person that comes out doesn't doesn't get it, you know.

1617
01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:05,840
Speaker 5: But that doesn't mean that the overall principle that we're

1618
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:10,400
Speaker 5: talking about, that people are what they put into their minds,

1619
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:12,880
Speaker 5: or that they will become what they put into their minds,

1620
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:15,880
Speaker 5: that that isn't still true. That's true.

1621
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:17,200
Speaker 9: You know.

1622
01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:20,840
Speaker 5: Not every child at his negative music is going to

1623
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:25,599
Speaker 5: do negative things, but a significant a significant enough proportion

1624
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:28,800
Speaker 5: of them will that it causes problems in your society

1625
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:32,320
Speaker 5: and in your community. So that's my answer to him.

1626
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:34,000
Speaker 5: I don't know if I missed something there too.

1627
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:38,160
Speaker 1: All right, we've got to move on to Dr Fox.

1628
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:42,799
Speaker 1: But Dr Macintosh, what's the next move for Seema Taba?

1629
01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:46,719
Speaker 1: Is it open? Can anybody join? How are their meetings available?

1630
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:47,559
Speaker 1: Are they online?

1631
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:53,640
Speaker 5: In general? They're not online. We have live meetings and

1632
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:57,120
Speaker 5: we have. But we have some zoom meetings. Certainly anybody

1633
01:32:57,200 --> 01:33:00,599
Speaker 5: can attend the zoom meetings. Our organization and is UH

1634
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:05,200
Speaker 5: you know, is a completely African organization and so those meetings,

1635
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:08,479
Speaker 5: UH you know, the live meetings we uh is basically

1636
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:12,600
Speaker 5: African people coming together. Our next event is going to

1637
01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:15,720
Speaker 5: be on the twenty ninth that the Robert Ross Johnson

1638
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:21,719
Speaker 5: Family Life Center and it's an African festival for African people.

1639
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:26,559
Speaker 5: Our keynote speaker is going to is our doctor, doctor

1640
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:30,519
Speaker 5: Wesley Muhammad, and he talks about things such as the

1641
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:33,920
Speaker 5: pop plot marijuana is not what it used to be

1642
01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:36,800
Speaker 5: and that you know it's it's having dangerous effects in

1643
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:38,880
Speaker 5: our community because of the chemicals is put in it

1644
01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:42,800
Speaker 5: and because of the amplification of the strength of it

1645
01:33:42,920 --> 01:33:43,679
Speaker 5: that has been done.

1646
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:49,439
Speaker 1: We also have a Quick because I thought right late

1647
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:52,200
Speaker 1: but Casey and Maryland has a comment for you. Real

1648
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:55,000
Speaker 1: Quick is online too, Grand Rising Casey, you're on with

1649
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:57,960
Speaker 1: doctor Macintosh Grant V.

1650
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:04,160
Speaker 11: Brother Cracy, I told you this a while back about

1651
01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 11: this song I'm a Dog, I'm a mutt. Remember that,

1652
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 11: Brother Cracy, Yes I do, can you hear me?

1653
01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:14,439
Speaker 1: Yes?

1654
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:14,760
Speaker 5: Yes?

1655
01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:20,679
Speaker 11: And now the song is being nominated for a Grammy.

1656
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:26,519
Speaker 11: What does a much mean a person who is stupid

1657
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:32,240
Speaker 11: and incompetent and now it's up for a Grammy, Doc,

1658
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:35,679
Speaker 11: you have to add that to your reservoir, your reservoir

1659
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:40,559
Speaker 11: right now because it's current. You're giving the old people

1660
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:46,000
Speaker 11: a break by you saying young the young. That song

1661
01:34:46,160 --> 01:34:48,519
Speaker 11: is an R and B song that is running on

1662
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:53,080
Speaker 11: the radio twenty to thirty times in an hour. And

1663
01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:56,040
Speaker 11: then you have the song with Little wool Wop and

1664
01:34:56,160 --> 01:34:58,519
Speaker 11: that song I'm a Dog I'm a Mud had twenty

1665
01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:03,040
Speaker 11: seven million in views and lidd Little Woolwop I want

1666
01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:05,439
Speaker 11: to kill my mom. I want to kill my dad.

1667
01:35:06,120 --> 01:35:09,840
Speaker 11: That's for the younger people. That had two hundred and

1668
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:16,719
Speaker 11: sixty nine thousand lights. So that subliminal suggestion is being

1669
01:35:17,080 --> 01:35:20,840
Speaker 11: liked by the parents and the young people. I just

1670
01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:24,880
Speaker 11: wanted to add that to your musical conversation. Very excellent

1671
01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:26,160
Speaker 11: conversation this morning.

1672
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:32,160
Speaker 5: Thank thank you so much. Brother brother Klabina, who is

1673
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:36,200
Speaker 5: usually on with me on this show. You know, he

1674
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:39,519
Speaker 5: pointed out to us some years a couple of years

1675
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:42,920
Speaker 5: ago that there was a song that was nominated for

1676
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:45,800
Speaker 5: a Grammy in which they talk about leaving Homie lopsided

1677
01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 5: in the front seat. They're killing a person and they

1678
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:51,200
Speaker 5: used the N word and that sort of thing. We

1679
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:55,120
Speaker 5: took it and we sent letters to every councilman in

1680
01:35:55,240 --> 01:35:59,519
Speaker 5: New York and every state senator in New York and

1681
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:03,320
Speaker 5: we encouraged them to support a bill that at that time,

1682
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:06,639
Speaker 5: since the Inez Baron, who was a state Senator, had

1683
01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:11,280
Speaker 5: put out to just to say make the stations adhere

1684
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:14,759
Speaker 5: to the rules of thet CC. It wasn't anything major,

1685
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:17,960
Speaker 5: but it was saying, you know, to not play this music,

1686
01:36:18,040 --> 01:36:20,120
Speaker 5: that's using the N word, that's using it, you know,

1687
01:36:20,240 --> 01:36:24,880
Speaker 5: to make them adhere to certain regulations. And literally we

1688
01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:28,640
Speaker 5: got almost no response. And we accompanied it with a

1689
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:33,639
Speaker 5: news article that explained everything, and there was almost no response.

1690
01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:39,599
Speaker 5: And that bill, well, that was put forth by state

1691
01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:44,400
Speaker 5: Senator Baron, never reached a vote. It never got out

1692
01:36:44,439 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 5: of the out of committee for people to vote on it.

1693
01:36:48,040 --> 01:36:54,960
Speaker 5: So it's a struggle. And when you were calling, he

1694
01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:57,280
Speaker 5: was saying, Quasi, I thought you might have been thinking

1695
01:36:57,320 --> 01:37:01,559
Speaker 5: of Quabna brother Quabna, who's he's not here today.

1696
01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:05,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my African name. Some people called me that.

1697
01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:09,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, okay, I didn't realize that.

1698
01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:12,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Dr McIntosh, how can folks reach you guys

1699
01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:14,320
Speaker 1: if they want more information about SEMO tap?

1700
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:18,400
Speaker 5: Oh? Sure, thank you. You can text uh three four

1701
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:23,040
Speaker 5: seven nine zero seven zero six two nine. That's three

1702
01:37:23,160 --> 01:37:28,000
Speaker 5: four seven nine zero seven zero six two nine. Or

1703
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:32,559
Speaker 5: you can go to doctor Simo tap at gmail dot com,

1704
01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:36,320
Speaker 5: d r C E m O T A p at

1705
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:39,120
Speaker 5: gmail dot com, no dots or anything like that. D

1706
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:42,719
Speaker 5: r C E M O T A p at gmail

1707
01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:46,080
Speaker 5: dot com, and you can you can reach us that way.

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Speaker 1: All right, Thank you, doctor McIntosh, and thank you for

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Speaker 1: the word that you guys do.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for watching being that media watch dow that

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01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:54,919
Speaker 1: we need in our community.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, sir, Thank you so much, Brother Carl. Also

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01:37:58,720 --> 01:38:01,679
Speaker 5: tell you that I'm on w b A I ninety

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Speaker 5: nine point five FM, New York for or w b

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Speaker 5: AI dot org. You can hear the same program at

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01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:12,000
Speaker 5: ten am every Tuesday if people want to tune in

1718
01:38:12,120 --> 01:38:15,240
Speaker 5: and hear my guests. And I so much to appreciate you, brother,

1719
01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:19,320
Speaker 5: you know, giving us the opportunity to talk about these things.

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01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:24,280
Speaker 1: All right, sneady, Thank you doctor McIntosh, Stay strong, peace family.

1721
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:26,360
Speaker 1: At ten of the top, I was bringing doctor jeral

1722
01:38:26,439 --> 01:38:29,040
Speaker 1: Me Fox, now doctor Fox of the psychologists. Most of

1723
01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 1: you know him from his book, a best selling work book,

1724
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:34,320
Speaker 1: Addicted to White, The Oppressed in League with the Oppressor,

1725
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:37,720
Speaker 1: Sham based alliance, Doctor Fox, Grand Rising, welcome back to

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01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:38,240
Speaker 1: the program.

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01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:41,360
Speaker 8: Yes, thank you for having me. I can barely hear you.

1728
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:46,120
Speaker 8: I can hear your guests more clearly, but I can

1729
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:46,800
Speaker 8: barely hear you.

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01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:50,960
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I get Kevin to work on that. Kevin

1731
01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:54,920
Speaker 1: can turn them our side, so doctor Fox can hear us.

1732
01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:57,240
Speaker 1: Doctor Fox, I'm going to pick up where we left

1733
01:38:57,280 --> 01:39:00,360
Speaker 1: off with Dr McIntosh. You know, we're discussing the music

1734
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:02,880
Speaker 1: and some of the inappropriate lyrics that are some of

1735
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:05,560
Speaker 1: the musics are being pushed on our young people. We

1736
01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:07,640
Speaker 1: got a tweet and the person says he's white, and

1737
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:10,400
Speaker 1: he says his eight year old daughter's favorite song was Shaggy.

1738
01:39:10,439 --> 01:39:11,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're familiar with the song it

1739
01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:14,800
Speaker 1: wasn't me, But he says he didn't think it did

1740
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:16,760
Speaker 1: her any harm because she did not know what she

1741
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:18,920
Speaker 1: was singing. She was singing that song it wasn't me.

1742
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:21,439
Speaker 1: And if folks who know that song being the head

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01:39:21,479 --> 01:39:25,479
Speaker 1: of all day now my question to doctor mar Macintosh,

1744
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:27,439
Speaker 1: and I'm going to pose a question to you. When

1745
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:30,920
Speaker 1: these songs do they have different meanings different to different people.

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01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:34,160
Speaker 1: Do say his eight year old daughter sees something in

1747
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:36,880
Speaker 1: that song that say eight year old black child will

1748
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:38,160
Speaker 1: not sees differently?

1749
01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:43,400
Speaker 8: Well, you know it depends. I mean we all often

1750
01:39:43,479 --> 01:39:48,960
Speaker 8: talk about you know, age appropriate, you know material and

1751
01:39:49,120 --> 01:39:53,880
Speaker 8: even conversation with our children that they may not get

1752
01:39:53,960 --> 01:39:59,040
Speaker 8: all of the meaning that we as adults I understand

1753
01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:04,960
Speaker 8: something to be. That's why you talk these things over

1754
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:08,080
Speaker 8: with your children. You just don't. It's almost like we

1755
01:40:08,280 --> 01:40:12,760
Speaker 8: refuse to take control of our lives, to use the

1756
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:18,120
Speaker 8: agency that we have that we've been born with. I

1757
01:40:18,360 --> 01:40:23,519
Speaker 8: define power in my book of These Thoughts for Today

1758
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:29,280
Speaker 8: as not being interpersonal, like nobody has power over you,

1759
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:34,280
Speaker 8: not a songwriter, not an artist, nobody has power over you.

1760
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:40,680
Speaker 8: Power is intro psychic, it's your agency now. Influence, on

1761
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:45,360
Speaker 8: the other hand, is interpersonal. But even with that, you

1762
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:51,240
Speaker 8: decide who you will allow to influence you. There are

1763
01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:53,960
Speaker 8: certain people that would hear my voice or hear your

1764
01:40:54,240 --> 01:40:59,599
Speaker 8: previous guest voice and immediately be turned off and would

1765
01:40:59,680 --> 01:41:03,720
Speaker 8: just turned this program off. They're decided not to be

1766
01:41:03,920 --> 01:41:08,200
Speaker 8: influenced by anything that we say. Our enemies have tried

1767
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:13,160
Speaker 8: to tell us who we should allow to influence us forever.

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01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:16,640
Speaker 8: I often use the example Minister Farakhan. There are a

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01:41:16,640 --> 01:41:19,679
Speaker 8: lot of these talk show hosts TV talk show host

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01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:23,439
Speaker 8: that would not have him on their program for fear

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01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:28,600
Speaker 8: that it would offend white folk. But nonetheless, you have

1772
01:41:28,840 --> 01:41:33,440
Speaker 8: the power, which once again is intro psychic, to decide

1773
01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:37,759
Speaker 8: who you will allow to influence you. Now, as a parent,

1774
01:41:38,160 --> 01:41:43,519
Speaker 8: you also had the authority to decide what you will

1775
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:49,479
Speaker 8: expose your children to. Our brains are not garbage cans

1776
01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:54,400
Speaker 8: for society to dump all kinds of nonsense into our brains,

1777
01:41:54,680 --> 01:41:58,479
Speaker 8: even as adults, and certainly we have the responsibility and

1778
01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:06,880
Speaker 8: the power to sift through all of the junk that

1779
01:42:07,320 --> 01:42:12,759
Speaker 8: this society holds and to put and in that process

1780
01:42:13,080 --> 01:42:17,000
Speaker 8: only allowed that which will be helpful to our children's

1781
01:42:17,080 --> 01:42:22,879
Speaker 8: minds through. So I mean, we just refuse to take control,

1782
01:42:24,120 --> 01:42:26,880
Speaker 8: you know, even not this past election. I don't want

1783
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:29,200
Speaker 8: to move to that too fest but even this past

1784
01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:33,400
Speaker 8: election just proves that we have the power to decide

1785
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:38,800
Speaker 8: who represents us, what ideas, you know, gain the authority

1786
01:42:39,479 --> 01:42:42,920
Speaker 8: over our communities, et cetera, et cetera. But it really

1787
01:42:43,080 --> 01:42:47,000
Speaker 8: is more of a question of us deciding for ourselves

1788
01:42:47,400 --> 01:42:52,240
Speaker 8: and for our children, who and whom will influence us.

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01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:56,800
Speaker 8: And you talk if you're if you're the kind of

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01:42:56,960 --> 01:43:00,360
Speaker 8: person that wants to expose your children to as much

1791
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:04,360
Speaker 8: as what is going on in our society, you have

1792
01:43:04,640 --> 01:43:08,280
Speaker 8: to be there to kind of help them understand. They

1793
01:43:08,360 --> 01:43:11,840
Speaker 8: may not understand the full definition of anything that they

1794
01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:19,759
Speaker 8: hear or read. That's why you're there to explain to filter.

1795
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:23,080
Speaker 8: You know, That's all I can say. We have the

1796
01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:27,720
Speaker 8: power to decide who will influence us, what will influence us,

1797
01:43:29,000 --> 01:43:35,920
Speaker 8: And certainly, as parents, we have the responsibility to talk

1798
01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:38,800
Speaker 8: with our children and to make certain that they are

1799
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:43,040
Speaker 8: getting the meaning that we want them to have out

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01:43:43,080 --> 01:43:46,599
Speaker 8: of any anything they see, read, or hear in our environment.

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Speaker 1: Fourteen half that top, we're going to talk politics. But

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01:43:49,960 --> 01:43:52,559
Speaker 1: I got to ask you, using minister farca on as

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01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:56,160
Speaker 1: an example, if we hear a speech by minutester Falcon,

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01:43:56,680 --> 01:43:59,439
Speaker 1: white folks here a speech by minutes of farc can

1805
01:43:59,479 --> 01:44:02,439
Speaker 1: both grow come away with a different assessment with that

1806
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:06,040
Speaker 1: speech is even though we hear the same thing and

1807
01:44:06,120 --> 01:44:07,960
Speaker 1: Holy response for a minute, Doc, because we've got to

1808
01:44:07,960 --> 01:44:10,360
Speaker 1: step aside. We got to take this quick break and

1809
01:44:10,479 --> 01:44:13,080
Speaker 1: I'll let you explain if that happens, because because it

1810
01:44:13,120 --> 01:44:16,559
Speaker 1: seems like we'll hear the same speech and the white

1811
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:19,599
Speaker 1: folks here, some of them, and they're slamming Minister Farcon,

1812
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:20,880
Speaker 1: and like, what are they upset about?

1813
01:44:21,120 --> 01:44:21,559
Speaker 5: What do you say?

1814
01:44:21,560 --> 01:44:25,439
Speaker 1: It's true? So I'm trying to figure out how these

1815
01:44:25,560 --> 01:44:28,920
Speaker 1: messages change by the time they reach the person. See

1816
01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:31,360
Speaker 1: if you can explain that, Like that great, and then

1817
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:33,439
Speaker 1: we'll talk some politics. It's its been a big change.

1818
01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:36,760
Speaker 1: Family YouTube and get in our conversation with doctor Derby Fox.

1819
01:44:36,840 --> 01:44:38,559
Speaker 1: You can reach us at eight hundred four or five

1820
01:44:38,720 --> 01:44:41,599
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and were ticket phone calls

1821
01:44:41,720 --> 01:44:44,360
Speaker 1: next and Grant Rising family, thanks for staying with us

1822
01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:47,160
Speaker 1: on this Thursday morning. We're like, yes, doctor Jermy Fox.

1823
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:49,879
Speaker 1: You know, as I keep mentioning this book, it's a workbook.

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01:44:49,880 --> 01:44:52,679
Speaker 1: It's the best selling workbook Addicted to white They oppressed

1825
01:44:52,720 --> 01:44:55,719
Speaker 1: in league with the oppressor, a shame based alliance. Before

1826
01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:58,599
Speaker 1: the break though, my question to doctor Fox is if

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01:44:59,360 --> 01:45:02,280
Speaker 1: two people can your message and come away to different interpretation,

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01:45:02,720 --> 01:45:06,120
Speaker 1: and I was using Minister farc as an example. Doctor Fox.

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01:45:07,720 --> 01:45:11,080
Speaker 8: Yes, well, there are three things to keep in mind.

1830
01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:16,200
Speaker 8: The first thing is that there is such a thing

1831
01:45:16,680 --> 01:45:23,160
Speaker 8: as the truth. I touch on this in the preface

1832
01:45:23,960 --> 01:45:29,719
Speaker 8: of my no Acknowledgments of my workbook Addicted to White.

1833
01:45:30,160 --> 01:45:33,880
Speaker 8: There is such a thing as the truth. Our adversaries

1834
01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:41,840
Speaker 8: are constantly trying to convince us that truth is relative

1835
01:45:42,120 --> 01:45:46,680
Speaker 8: or subjective. We speak in terms or they speak in

1836
01:45:46,800 --> 01:45:49,439
Speaker 8: terms of I certainly don't in terms of you know,

1837
01:45:49,640 --> 01:45:55,920
Speaker 8: your truth. That kind of phrase is very popular, maybe

1838
01:45:55,960 --> 01:45:59,679
Speaker 8: about a decade ago, and has remained so, well, that's

1839
01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:03,680
Speaker 8: your truth. Well, if it's just my truth, it's not

1840
01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:08,640
Speaker 8: truth at all. Truth by its very nature is universal.

1841
01:46:08,960 --> 01:46:11,800
Speaker 8: So that's the first point that people need to keep

1842
01:46:11,880 --> 01:46:14,840
Speaker 8: in mind. And now the second point is that there

1843
01:46:14,920 --> 01:46:20,559
Speaker 8: are some people, and perhaps maybe even most people, who

1844
01:46:20,880 --> 01:46:24,880
Speaker 8: hear what they want to hear. Uh, you know, most

1845
01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:29,120
Speaker 8: of life is defeasible. Then that we can bring some

1846
01:46:29,360 --> 01:46:34,200
Speaker 8: kind of rango chanal to anything we hear or see

1847
01:46:35,439 --> 01:46:39,639
Speaker 8: to support where we already are on a particular issue.

1848
01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:44,720
Speaker 8: You know, people read their scriptures Bible, Koran, whatever, and

1849
01:46:45,280 --> 01:46:52,479
Speaker 8: interpret those readings or their you know, scriptures in a

1850
01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:58,400
Speaker 8: way that will support uh where they are are are

1851
01:46:59,120 --> 01:47:02,240
Speaker 8: are at in a particular issue. That's what I called.

1852
01:47:03,400 --> 01:47:07,360
Speaker 8: That's why I say in one of my writings that uh,

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01:47:07,880 --> 01:47:12,000
Speaker 8: the real religion of people is medism, because we don't

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01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:16,320
Speaker 8: ever depart from me, me, me, me, unfortunately, and we

1855
01:47:16,840 --> 01:47:21,880
Speaker 8: use everything in our environment to just just defy where

1856
01:47:21,960 --> 01:47:26,800
Speaker 8: we are already at. As as I've said, so, people

1857
01:47:26,920 --> 01:47:29,560
Speaker 8: hear what they want to hear, or some people do.

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01:47:31,040 --> 01:47:34,120
Speaker 8: So that would explain why perhaps a white person will

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01:47:34,200 --> 01:47:40,160
Speaker 8: listen to Minister Pharaka and come away with something completely

1860
01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:45,719
Speaker 8: a complete departure from the truth of what he actually said.

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01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:51,400
Speaker 8: They want to be angry with him, and they want

1862
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:56,360
Speaker 8: us to not be influenced by him, and of course

1863
01:47:56,439 --> 01:48:00,280
Speaker 8: they have their own agenda in that regard. He's speaks

1864
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:02,920
Speaker 8: a lot of truth, as many other people do. That

1865
01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:08,000
Speaker 8: if we absorb that truth, it might make us a

1866
01:48:08,120 --> 01:48:13,360
Speaker 8: little less willing to put up with the crap from

1867
01:48:13,439 --> 01:48:17,640
Speaker 8: our enemies. And our enemies of course realize that and

1868
01:48:17,840 --> 01:48:21,200
Speaker 8: want to steer us away from that, and of course

1869
01:48:21,280 --> 01:48:24,200
Speaker 8: they want to steer their own work at hearts away

1870
01:48:24,439 --> 01:48:26,599
Speaker 8: from the truth that he may be speaking. By the way,

1871
01:48:26,680 --> 01:48:28,960
Speaker 8: anybody can speak the truth. Anybody can pick up the

1872
01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:32,840
Speaker 8: truth and make the truth, even the devil, according to

1873
01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:39,439
Speaker 8: the Christian scripture, even the devil speaks the truth from

1874
01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:42,560
Speaker 8: time to time. Although the devil is the father, is

1875
01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:45,360
Speaker 8: the father of lies, and all of those who support

1876
01:48:45,479 --> 01:48:52,720
Speaker 8: lies are the Devil's demons children, but any rate. So

1877
01:48:53,040 --> 01:48:57,880
Speaker 8: that's one thing. That's the second thing. People can use

1878
01:48:57,960 --> 01:49:01,480
Speaker 8: whatever they hear or read in order to just define

1879
01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:06,000
Speaker 8: where where they're where they are already at. So if

1880
01:49:06,040 --> 01:49:09,160
Speaker 8: I hate Minister Pharakh, I'm not gonna be able to

1881
01:49:09,400 --> 01:49:15,479
Speaker 8: hear any truth coming from him. And that's my problem,

1882
01:49:15,720 --> 01:49:20,720
Speaker 8: not not minister pharakhns. On the other hand, if you

1883
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:24,600
Speaker 8: are open to the truth and what Minister Pharakhan is

1884
01:49:24,680 --> 01:49:30,400
Speaker 8: saying happens to be truth, but a truth about you know,

1885
01:49:30,640 --> 01:49:35,360
Speaker 8: our enemies, let's say, for instance, then of course you

1886
01:49:35,479 --> 01:49:38,640
Speaker 8: as a black person, are going to be very receptive

1887
01:49:38,680 --> 01:49:42,560
Speaker 8: to that. So you may be and we need not

1888
01:49:42,720 --> 01:49:46,559
Speaker 8: be afraid of saying to a person who is distorting

1889
01:49:46,640 --> 01:49:51,800
Speaker 8: the truth, yes, this is what this person is saying

1890
01:49:52,520 --> 01:49:56,519
Speaker 8: or what this person has wrote is the truth. Whether you,

1891
01:49:56,960 --> 01:50:01,320
Speaker 8: I or anybody else are disturbed by it. Sometimes we

1892
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:06,960
Speaker 8: are so concerned about particularly what our enemies think of

1893
01:50:07,320 --> 01:50:10,760
Speaker 8: you know, somebody else, or or so careful, as I

1894
01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:14,400
Speaker 8: say in the book too, not to offend our enemies.

1895
01:50:14,720 --> 01:50:18,439
Speaker 8: They have conditioned us not to offend them, because obviously,

1896
01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:22,760
Speaker 8: during our captivity, to offend a white person would have

1897
01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:27,080
Speaker 8: been me, would have signed your death warrant. So we've

1898
01:50:27,080 --> 01:50:32,840
Speaker 8: been conditioned two or death certificate. Rather, we have been

1899
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:37,840
Speaker 8: conditioned to not want to offend uh white folks. So

1900
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:41,320
Speaker 8: we may even hear what Minister of far Can says

1901
01:50:41,880 --> 01:50:48,640
Speaker 8: and agree with our white counterparts that in their distortion

1902
01:50:49,600 --> 01:50:54,120
Speaker 8: of the truth that he may be speaking. So that

1903
01:50:54,280 --> 01:50:58,519
Speaker 8: explains that if you're not afraid of offending white people,

1904
01:50:58,560 --> 01:51:01,800
Speaker 8: and Minister Can to speak the truth, then you're going

1905
01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:07,240
Speaker 8: to gravitate toward that truth. If you're already conditioned, perhaps

1906
01:51:07,320 --> 01:51:11,320
Speaker 8: as a white person, to hate the truth about yourself,

1907
01:51:12,520 --> 01:51:17,240
Speaker 8: the white person themselves, and all the wickedness and evil

1908
01:51:17,800 --> 01:51:23,000
Speaker 8: they have visited upon black people worldwide, then of course

1909
01:51:23,240 --> 01:51:28,400
Speaker 8: you're going to hear something different. I remember the Jews

1910
01:51:28,600 --> 01:51:36,120
Speaker 8: in particular, and perhaps are still angry at Minister again

1911
01:51:36,280 --> 01:51:40,920
Speaker 8: for saying something to the effect that to their ears

1912
01:51:41,080 --> 01:51:46,599
Speaker 8: that the the Jewish Judaism is a dirty language. Now,

1913
01:51:46,640 --> 01:51:50,960
Speaker 8: of course from what I understand, and that's not really

1914
01:51:51,320 --> 01:51:53,920
Speaker 8: what he said, but of course they want to hear that.

1915
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:58,800
Speaker 8: He said, Any religion that oppresses in so many words,

1916
01:51:58,880 --> 01:52:03,040
Speaker 8: and I'm paraphrasing, that oppresses another people, uh, be it

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Speaker 8: the Palestinians, black people, whatever, is a dirty religion. The

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Speaker 8: religion that you are practicing. You could be a Christian

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Speaker 8: like during the Middle Ages in which they were these

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Speaker 8: crusaders committing all kinds of atrocities throughout the world, calling

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Speaker 8: themselves converting people to uh to Christianity, but doing nothing

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Speaker 8: more than conquering and oppressing people.

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Speaker 5: You know, you can.

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Speaker 8: How I interpret what he said is that that would

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Speaker 8: apply his statement would apply equally to the conquistadors or

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Speaker 8: the uh you know, so called Christian conquerors during the

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Speaker 8: Middle Ages. Which is, if you if your religion tells

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Speaker 8: us you to mistreat people, just to put it in

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Speaker 8: plain language that they're inferior to you or in one

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Speaker 8: way or another because of race or because of their

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Speaker 8: religion or lack thereof, that's a dirty religion. And I

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Speaker 8: don't think anybody could disagree with that. If indeed that's

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Speaker 8: what he was saying. Certainly that is what I heard

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Speaker 8: him saying. But that's just an example well of how

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Speaker 8: how you can hear different things, but the truth is

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Speaker 8: always there for anyone to access.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha. Twenty nine after the top. Now let's go over

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Speaker 1: to politics. Now, doctor Fox, what happened to the last elections?

1939
01:53:42,600 --> 01:53:44,519
Speaker 1: Did America wake up or something?

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Speaker 8: Well, I'm glad you mentioned it because if you recall,

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Speaker 8: maybe it was the last time it was on this program,

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01:53:52,520 --> 01:53:54,840
Speaker 8: and at the time before or when you had asked

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01:53:55,040 --> 01:54:02,559
Speaker 8: us to come up with at least two actions our

1944
01:54:02,640 --> 01:54:08,200
Speaker 8: community could take to uh, you know, address this current

1945
01:54:08,600 --> 01:54:13,920
Speaker 8: crisis with that clansman in chief in the over office

1946
01:54:14,280 --> 01:54:17,320
Speaker 8: in the old office. And I mentioned at the time

1947
01:54:18,439 --> 01:54:23,080
Speaker 8: two things and then the two immediate things and then

1948
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Speaker 8: one long range thing, which is to start this process

1949
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Speaker 8: of detoxifect our brains from this uh white world view

1950
01:54:32,600 --> 01:54:41,240
Speaker 8: and a system of values, value system disorder. Uh. And

1951
01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:44,160
Speaker 8: one of the things I mentioned was we must vote

1952
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Speaker 8: not because we think that and that we put in

1953
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Speaker 8: office will solve our problems for us. It's so quick

1954
01:54:52,360 --> 01:54:56,120
Speaker 8: to give up once again our agency, but because they

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01:54:56,320 --> 01:55:02,480
Speaker 8: can limit these uh uh, the opposition that we face

1956
01:55:03,800 --> 01:55:07,600
Speaker 8: you know, it goes up or down depending on an

1957
01:55:07,720 --> 01:55:12,760
Speaker 8: intensity it got. The intensity of the opposition to black

1958
01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:17,879
Speaker 8: people in our communities go up and down, uh, depending

1959
01:55:17,960 --> 01:55:21,240
Speaker 8: on who's in office at the time. And that's why

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01:55:21,600 --> 01:55:25,080
Speaker 8: you must vote to make certain that that our position

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01:55:25,400 --> 01:55:29,720
Speaker 8: is kept minimal while we we give us some time

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Speaker 8: and space to get our act together without constantly being

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Speaker 8: you know, oppressed or assaulted by this system. Uh. Some people,

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Speaker 8: to give just a quick example, will say, in response

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Speaker 8: to my prescription in the world and in my workbook,

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01:55:48,040 --> 01:55:52,600
Speaker 8: to form these groups almost like you know, similar to

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Speaker 8: the AA meetings and begin using this workbook to detoxify

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Speaker 8: your mind. Well, some people will say, you know, I

1969
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:03,520
Speaker 8: don't have the time. I'm working two jobs, three jobs whatever.

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Speaker 8: Un that can be a valid uh situation. So if

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01:56:11,120 --> 01:56:15,200
Speaker 8: you want to overcome that situation, whereby you will will

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01:56:15,240 --> 01:56:18,960
Speaker 8: have more time to think about yourself and work on

1973
01:56:19,080 --> 01:56:22,240
Speaker 8: yourself and not have to work for three jobs, but

1974
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Speaker 8: maybe just one job. You vote for the people who

1975
01:56:26,040 --> 01:56:29,000
Speaker 8: are saying just that, like a Bernie Sanders or whatever

1976
01:56:29,640 --> 01:56:34,480
Speaker 8: that or Elizabeth Warren, that nobody should have to work

1977
01:56:34,840 --> 01:56:40,800
Speaker 8: three jobs in order to live in this society. So

1978
01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:45,240
Speaker 8: anybody that's supporting that view. That will take one or

1979
01:56:45,360 --> 01:56:48,040
Speaker 8: two of those jobs off of your plate so that

1980
01:56:48,120 --> 01:56:52,000
Speaker 8: you'll have more energy and more focus on getting your

1981
01:56:52,080 --> 01:56:57,560
Speaker 8: head together to fight for our liberation. You vote for

1982
01:56:57,680 --> 01:57:02,600
Speaker 8: that person. The uh, the so called Hispanic so called

1983
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Speaker 8: brown people. Uh you know, we're particularly the males were

1984
01:57:08,880 --> 01:57:14,160
Speaker 8: attracted to uh this clansman in chief. But they woke up.

1985
01:57:14,480 --> 01:57:18,720
Speaker 8: Talk about being woke. I said during my previous m

1986
01:57:19,080 --> 01:57:24,800
Speaker 8: presentation that also, don't be turned off by the word woke. Yes,

1987
01:57:24,920 --> 01:57:25,920
Speaker 8: we want to be woke.

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Speaker 11: Uh.

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Speaker 8: Being woke serves us. So I guess some people who

1990
01:57:32,680 --> 01:57:37,840
Speaker 8: have joined my chorus and have have awakened. But unfortunately

1991
01:57:38,120 --> 01:57:40,560
Speaker 8: it's just not a matter of just voting one time.

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01:57:40,920 --> 01:57:46,400
Speaker 8: This situation will not be in under control until uh

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Speaker 8: the next year's uh uh you know election, uh, whereby

1994
01:57:51,720 --> 01:57:56,160
Speaker 8: we can put in different people in Congress, and that's

1995
01:57:56,280 --> 01:57:59,200
Speaker 8: where people need to focus on. This is so you know,

1996
01:57:59,240 --> 01:58:02,520
Speaker 8: bickering about folding or not folding at this point, it

1997
01:58:02,640 --> 01:58:09,040
Speaker 8: really doesn't matter because these devils will remain steadfast on

1998
01:58:09,240 --> 01:58:13,120
Speaker 8: their agenda, and their agenda does not serve the American

1999
01:58:13,520 --> 01:58:17,480
Speaker 8: population as a whole. So as long as they keep

2000
01:58:17,960 --> 01:58:23,080
Speaker 8: their evil intact. We will have more than enough as

2001
01:58:23,320 --> 01:58:27,120
Speaker 8: as you know, people voters, we will have more than

2002
01:58:27,280 --> 01:58:32,640
Speaker 8: enough motivation to get it out and vote these people

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01:58:32,920 --> 01:58:38,480
Speaker 8: out of office this coming next November, November twenty sixth.

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Speaker 8: So I was just glad that people who utilize their

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01:58:43,120 --> 01:58:49,080
Speaker 8: agency to decide who will represent them or what ideas

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01:58:50,080 --> 01:58:51,720
Speaker 8: need to be pushed forward.

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Speaker 1: Twenty seven away from the top of that, what doctor Fox,

2008
01:58:55,120 --> 01:58:57,240
Speaker 1: will this energy that they have right now, will it

2009
01:58:57,320 --> 01:59:01,480
Speaker 1: continue or will it subsibe as we move closer to well, people.

2010
01:59:01,280 --> 01:59:06,920
Speaker 8: Are lazy and and forgetful, and and unfortunately very and

2011
01:59:07,600 --> 01:59:12,080
Speaker 8: that kind of laziness and and forgetfulness is self destructive.

2012
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Speaker 8: That's why you know, if you have a decent leader,

2013
01:59:15,480 --> 01:59:18,760
Speaker 8: they will keep this ever before your eyes. That's why

2014
01:59:18,840 --> 01:59:22,880
Speaker 8: that you say never again. And every year, particularly during

2015
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Speaker 8: our month Black History Month, Uh, you will see all

2016
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Speaker 8: kinds of public TV uh programs about the Holocaust. And

2017
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Speaker 8: I think you know why I during our month, but

2018
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Speaker 8: they want to keep it before the world's eyes. Uh

2019
01:59:40,440 --> 01:59:46,120
Speaker 8: that you know, they're they're alert and they're woke about uh,

2020
01:59:46,720 --> 01:59:52,520
Speaker 8: never allowing what they their hollow costs to occur. Again,

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01:59:52,880 --> 01:59:54,960
Speaker 8: we need to do the same thing. Just keep it

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01:59:55,440 --> 02:00:00,000
Speaker 8: before your eyes. Uh, I'll continue talking. One of the suggestions,

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Speaker 8: as like Aves said, as you run into people on

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Speaker 8: the bus, in the pharmacy, in the grocery store, Uh

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Speaker 8: talk it up and still continue to talk about uh

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Speaker 8: this unaffordability, about all kinds of attacks on our community,

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Speaker 8: on the immigrant community, et cetera, et cetera. Just keep

2028
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Speaker 8: talking it up so that it will be freshen people's

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Speaker 8: minds when they go uh whether when they have to

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Speaker 8: decide next year November around the same time next year, uh,

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Speaker 8: whether or not to vote and for whom to vote.

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Speaker 8: So that's the strategy there. Just and hopefully these stupid democrats,

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Speaker 8: too many of them are stupid, will do the same.

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Speaker 8: Keep keep it on on the on the keep talking

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Speaker 8: about all of the atrocities that this uh kleptomaniac clansmen

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Speaker 8: in the White House is doing against the people.

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Speaker 1: We the people twenty five away from the top. Yes,

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Speaker 1: stepiside for a few months. We get back. Cliff has

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Speaker 1: a question for you family. You two can join our

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Speaker 1: conversation with doctor jerome E. Fox. Reach out to us

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Speaker 1: at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six,

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Speaker 1: and we'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family,

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Speaker 1: thanks for rolling with us Onday, Thursday morning. And our guest,

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Speaker 1: the doctor jerome E. Fox. You know I'm from his

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Speaker 1: best selling workbook Addicted to White the Oppressed in League

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Speaker 1: with the Oppress, a shame based alliance. Before we go

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Speaker 1: back to let me just remind you tomorrow Friday, of course,

2048
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Speaker 1: and we're inviting all of you to join us on

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Speaker 1: our open phone Friday program, Free mind and all that

2050
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Speaker 1: means is just the thing for yourself. You can start

2051
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Speaker 1: calling in at the six am Eastern time right here

2052
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Speaker 1: in Baltimore on ten ten WLB, or if you're in

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Speaker 1: to the last weet. A lot of folks waits to last.

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Speaker 1: We always always folks holding, So please call and get in.

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Speaker 1: We want to hear from you tomorrow. That's an open

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Speaker 1: for and Friday program. Five zero seventy eight six speaks

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Speaker 1: to doctor Fox. Let's go to Connecticut the Cliff's wedding

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Speaker 1: for us. He's online one Cliff, your question for doctor Fox.

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Speaker 12: My grammar is my brother Kyle. And then to doctor Fox.

2061
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Speaker 12: Before I get to my question, the pronunciation of the

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Speaker 12: Underwald Minister Lewis Farah Khan. You know you said it

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Speaker 12: like five times, Farah Khan, and I apologize just as

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Speaker 12: got next to me, because I've heard white conservative mispronounce

2065
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Speaker 12: his name on purpose, you know, So, Sarah Khan, if that.

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Speaker 5: Makes any sense?

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Speaker 12: Oh absolutely, okay, thank you, sir, And I agree with

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Speaker 12: most you said to My question is in reference to politics,

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Speaker 12: Republican Democrats politics, in my opinion, particularly as I've seen

2070
02:02:53,280 --> 02:02:57,240
Speaker 12: this whole situation with Charlie Kirk. I believe white Christian

2071
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Speaker 12: nationalists and now he has it the little movement which

2072
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Speaker 12: is supporting Trump based on religion. And then so also

2073
02:03:06,920 --> 02:03:10,800
Speaker 12: I'm seeing that throughout the power that's manifested in America,

2074
02:03:11,320 --> 02:03:14,280
Speaker 12: it's all based on religion. So what am I saying?

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Speaker 12: White Christians or Catholics, Christians, they have the power in

2076
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Speaker 12: this country and we're still being mistreated as black. Now

2077
02:03:23,160 --> 02:03:27,720
Speaker 12: in New York we had the election of a new man, Donnie,

2078
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Speaker 12: and he is a Muslim. So would he, in your opinion,

2079
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Speaker 12: have a different outlook and treatment towards black people or

2080
02:03:36,600 --> 02:03:39,800
Speaker 12: would it be based on the same as Democrats and

2081
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Speaker 12: Republicans regarding the outcome or the result or of lifting.

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Speaker 5: Of black people.

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Speaker 8: Well, you've asked that two questions and one that may

2084
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Speaker 8: her address this issue of the so called white Christian nationalist.

2085
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Speaker 8: You talk about your pet peeves. This is really a

2086
02:04:03,400 --> 02:04:09,000
Speaker 8: pet peeve of mine. These people that the media, both

2087
02:04:10,400 --> 02:04:16,920
Speaker 8: black and white media insist upon calling white Christian nationalists,

2088
02:04:17,200 --> 02:04:21,040
Speaker 8: are not Christians at all, and people need to do

2089
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Speaker 8: their research. You know, read the scripture here. It will

2090
02:04:24,640 --> 02:04:27,600
Speaker 8: tell you. I have many scriptures that I've written down

2091
02:04:28,200 --> 02:04:33,640
Speaker 8: that relate directly to what these people are doing. And

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Speaker 8: in all of those scriptures, the Christian scriptures, they are

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Speaker 8: described as demons that their father is the devil, who

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Speaker 8: is also the father of lies. So anybody that supports

2095
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Speaker 8: or follows a liar is the child of the devil,

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Speaker 8: which we are instructed to call demons. So they are

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Speaker 8: not Christians. And I know that you know, so called journalists, Uh,

2098
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Speaker 8: these days are very can be very sloppy, but sometimes

2099
02:05:12,560 --> 02:05:15,800
Speaker 8: you have to say a little more in order to

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Speaker 8: get at the truth. So rather than just very lazily saying,

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Speaker 8: you know, white Christian nationalists tell the truth, Uh, the

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Speaker 8: white Christian nationalist is not the truth. The truth is

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Speaker 8: that these are white folk who call the white nationalists

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Speaker 8: who call themselves Christian. That's an extremely important point. They

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Speaker 8: are not Christian, but indeed they do call themselves Christian

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Speaker 8: and are invested and reinforcing that idea. As I think

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Speaker 8: your previous I guess I'm thinking about how things get

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Speaker 8: into our brain and are reinforced every time you use

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Speaker 8: that that that term to respond to refer to them. Uhh,

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Speaker 8: it really gets into your maraine, that these people are Christians.

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Speaker 8: And if you also have in your brain that Christian

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Speaker 8: the the association, the neurological association between Christian and good, uh,

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Speaker 8: which a lot of Christians do have in their mind,

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Speaker 8: and that to be a Christian, a christ follower is good.

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Speaker 8: So so you already have that neurological connection in your

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Speaker 8: mind Christian good. So every time, even when you're criticizing

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Speaker 8: them but still calling them Christians, Uh, it's sort of

2118
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Speaker 8: subverts even the point that people are trying to make

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Speaker 8: about them not being good people. So stop calling these

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Speaker 8: people Christians, even journalists. The accurate description is that these

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Speaker 8: are white racists, so called nationalists, who call of themselves Christians.

2122
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Speaker 8: And I would just add to purposefully deceive the people.

2123
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Speaker 8: But I mean, that's this one of my little pet piece.

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Speaker 8: Your other issue is that I try to stay away from,

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Speaker 8: you know, religion and what religion is the better one

2126
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Speaker 8: or or or or the this that or the other.

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Speaker 8: Most religions, and I've looked at a few. Most religions

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Speaker 8: can be analyzed on three dimensions. The first dimission is

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Speaker 8: his historical are these are are these scriptures?

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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 8: Scriptures? Rather are historically correct what they are talking about?

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Speaker 8: You know, was there really a Moses? What did this

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Speaker 8: Moses look like? Etcetera, etcetera. These are historical.

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Speaker 5: Issues.

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Speaker 8: The second level is the moral level, and I'll get

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Speaker 8: back to that. And then the third, of course, being

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Speaker 8: the spiritual level. Now a lot most religions have or

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Speaker 8: their own UH way to a heavenly kind of of

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Speaker 8: of existence, whether they call it heavenly or not. Uh So,

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Speaker 8: religions differ in terms of their spiritual UH teachings. They

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Speaker 8: also make different in terms of their historical teachings. But

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Speaker 8: most religions have the same moral code and in truth

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Speaker 8: and living in this world with many different people or

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Speaker 8: who believe many different things. That's the only thing I'm

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Speaker 8: concerned with is your moral code, whether you call it Muslim, Christian,

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Speaker 8: juda Is or whatever. Across those major religions, and I

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Speaker 8: mean any others, they all have the same moral code.

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Speaker 8: And if you are following what we've come to know

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Speaker 8: as being moral, uh, that's the only thing that we

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Speaker 8: need to be concerned about. In other words, are you

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Speaker 8: caring for the poor?

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Speaker 12: Are you.

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Speaker 8: Caring for the widow? Are you caring for their children?

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Speaker 8: Are you allowing rich people to abuse the poor? Et cetera,

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Speaker 8: on and on and on. So we all have the

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Speaker 8: same kind of sensibility to what is right and what

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Speaker 8: is wrong. And as long as these people are serving

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Speaker 8: those ethical moral codes, I don't care what they call themselves, Muslim, Christian,

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Speaker 8: Jew whatever. That's my response.

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Speaker 1: All right, turn away from the top. Out with Dodgers

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Speaker 1: Fox eight times hear you eight hundred four five zero, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: can you tell us up a little bit? So doctor

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Speaker 1: Fox in here's eight hundred four five zero seventy eight

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Speaker 1: seventy six. Money Mike is online too, He's in Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: Money Mike. You on with doctor Fox.

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Speaker 6: Good morning car, Good morning doctor Fox in Hoami. Yes, okay,

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Speaker 6: Doctor Fox, I got a question for you you talked

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Speaker 6: about the Jews saying this will never happen again. That

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Speaker 6: phrase resonates with most Americans. Why don't we take a

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Speaker 6: page out of their playbook? And I'm talking about when

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Speaker 6: we looked at a at a commercial that used to

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Speaker 6: come on years ago, and it would be a Native

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02:10:38,960 --> 02:10:42,120
Speaker 6: American and he'd be looking into a polluted stream with

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Speaker 6: cash and cans and bottles. We we we we recognize

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Speaker 6: that the minute we see If we recognize that, Jeeves,

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Speaker 6: the Holocaust will never occur again, why don't we get

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Speaker 6: a marketing campaign? And I'll tell you the answers, because

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Speaker 6: we don't want to spend the money to do it.

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Speaker 6: But as a group of collective we are not gonna

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Speaker 6: change the minds of most of the people that occupy

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Speaker 6: this country if we don't market to them and let

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Speaker 6: them see our plate. Because now with the current situations,

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Speaker 6: most children aren't learning about slavery, they aren't learning the story.

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Speaker 6: And if we don't put it out there and market

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Speaker 6: it and advertise it on every Sunday, I watched Native

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Speaker 6: Americans being slaughtered by by soldiers, by by cowboys, and

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Speaker 6: that that that got into my psyche. But very seldom

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Speaker 6: accept on a Black History Month with roots and and

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Speaker 6: and seven days of Slave or whatever the main move is.

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Speaker 6: And we don't see it, and we're not gonna see it,

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Speaker 6: and they're not gonna see it unless we come together

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Speaker 6: and get a marketing campaign.

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Speaker 8: That's why I wrote my work book and truth. Uh

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Speaker 8: you know, whether we have the funds or not, uh

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Speaker 8: uh you know, start a campaign. Our first that is

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Speaker 8: to get our minds on the same wavelength when we

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Speaker 8: say we we we maybe And many of these people

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Speaker 8: who you might want to do something like that don't

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Speaker 8: even want to consider themselves to be a part of

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Speaker 8: our community.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 8: I speak to black people and some of them will say,

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Speaker 8: you can keep saying, doctor Foss, you get saying we,

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Speaker 8: uh what we are you talking about? And these are

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Speaker 8: black people. So until we get our mind on the

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Speaker 8: same wavelength, there'll be no you don't know, financial you

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Speaker 8: know campaign uh to you know, keep this ever present.

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Speaker 5: But I do.

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Speaker 8: Uh support uh the sentiment behind that. I've often said

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Speaker 8: the same thing that you know, you hear these Jews

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Speaker 8: belly aching about their holocausts all year long, and we

2213
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Speaker 8: need to be doing the same. I would agree with you.

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Speaker 8: Taking the page from their book, but they have also

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Speaker 8: over the years taught their history in their synagogues. We're

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Speaker 8: not teaching our history in our churches nor in our homes.

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Speaker 8: So here again we've refused to take control over our lives.

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Speaker 8: We can make certain that our children know our history,

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Speaker 8: even if we have to teach it to them ourselves,

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Speaker 8: knowing that the schools that we send them to aren't

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Speaker 8: doing so. We can also establish, as we did in

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Speaker 8: the sixties, our own independent African consus, knowing then that

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Speaker 8: that's we teach correct, truthful history. But you know, until

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Speaker 8: we exercise our agency beginning in our own home homes.

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Speaker 8: And if you can't do that, stop bringing it. As

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Speaker 8: I said repeatedly, stop bringing these black babies into this

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Speaker 8: mess that you're refusing to do anything about. That's my

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Speaker 8: response to that, Doctor Fox.

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Speaker 6: Can I say one more thing, Doctor Fox. When I

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Speaker 6: grew up as a child, I saw my little Jewish

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Speaker 6: buddies and girls go to Hebrew school. We were taken

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Speaker 6: out of public school twice a week to go and

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Speaker 6: learn about their culture, and I acknowledge the same thing.

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Speaker 6: We don't have the urgency, and I hate to put

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Speaker 6: us down, but if we can't see. Somebody has shown

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Speaker 6: us the way, but we failed to see it, even

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02:14:47,920 --> 02:14:51,200
Speaker 6: when it comes to economics, you know, so it's so

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Speaker 6: many more see see.

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Speaker 8: But I have to interrupt here because it's something that

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Speaker 8: I say over and over again. I would suggest that you,

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Speaker 8: if you don't have my workbook, that you get it

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Speaker 8: and read it, because this is everything that you're saying. Unfortunately,

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02:15:10,760 --> 02:15:16,800
Speaker 8: we get stuck at the level of just describing our

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02:15:16,960 --> 02:15:20,360
Speaker 8: problems over and over and over again. But in truth,

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Speaker 8: there are four steps two problems solvedly. The first is

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Speaker 8: indeed to describe the problem, hopefully accurately, which we have

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Speaker 8: problems even with that. What we think is the problem

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02:15:34,080 --> 02:15:38,040
Speaker 8: is not really the crux or the root of the problem.

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Speaker 8: And the next is to generate possible solutions to that problem,

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Speaker 8: and then test one of those solutions and see if

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Speaker 8: it solves the problem. Evaluate, which is the fourth step,

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Speaker 8: the outcome of that test, and if it doesn't solve

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02:15:56,720 --> 02:15:59,040
Speaker 8: the problem, then you can go back to any one

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Speaker 8: of those other steps, previous steps, and do it all

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Speaker 8: over again and two until the problem is solved. But

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Speaker 8: we get stuck at describing over and over again. We

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Speaker 8: don't do this, and we don't do that, and we

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02:16:14,760 --> 02:16:17,640
Speaker 8: treat each other this way. Okay, we know that because

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02:16:17,680 --> 02:16:22,080
Speaker 8: we're sick people, our minds have been conditioned. I mentioned

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Speaker 8: that in in the work book as well as well

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Speaker 8: over centuries of of you know, oppression. This is the result,

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Speaker 8: and we shouldn't be surprised at the result. The our

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02:16:38,080 --> 02:16:45,760
Speaker 8: task then is to start attacking these issues, uh, these

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Speaker 8: mental because really what you're describing is is a mental condition.

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02:16:50,560 --> 02:16:55,720
Speaker 8: Our minds have been condition to work against ourselves. And

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02:16:55,840 --> 02:16:59,119
Speaker 8: it's indeed that is the true problem, not the fact

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02:16:59,160 --> 02:17:02,800
Speaker 8: that we're not doing this and we're not doing that.

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02:17:03,120 --> 02:17:06,120
Speaker 8: The true problem is that our brains are messed up.

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02:17:06,600 --> 02:17:10,960
Speaker 8: They have been a condition to work against ourselves. And

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Speaker 8: if indeed that is the problem, then we have to

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Speaker 8: address that brain issue, of which we also refuse to do.

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Speaker 8: But you know that that is the only talk that

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02:17:23,600 --> 02:17:28,199
Speaker 8: we need to hear. Now, how do we get ourselves

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02:17:28,320 --> 02:17:32,800
Speaker 8: out of this mental blind of seeing the world through

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02:17:32,840 --> 02:17:36,640
Speaker 8: white eyes? And that's why I wrote this whole work book.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's all right, then, doctor Fosxer got a step

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Speaker 1: aside for full moments. So station just gonna identify from

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02:17:41,120 --> 02:17:43,040
Speaker 1: themselves down the line of four minutes away from the

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Speaker 1: Topay family. I guess this Doctor Jeremy Fox's book is

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Speaker 1: titled Addicted to White, the Oppressed in League with the

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Speaker 1: Oppressor of shame based Alliance. We'll talk to doctor Fox

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Speaker 1: at eight hundred and four five zero seventy eight seventy six.

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Speaker 1: We'll do that next Grand Rising family. Thanks for sticking

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Speaker 1: with us on this Thursday morning. And I guess it's

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Speaker 1: doctor Jerumy Fox. I keep mentioning his book. It's a

2286
02:18:03,080 --> 02:18:05,120
Speaker 1: work book, it's the best selling work book. It's title

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Speaker 1: Addicted to White, the Oppressed in League with the Oppressor,

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02:18:08,080 --> 02:18:11,320
Speaker 1: a shame based alliance. We got a tweak for him.

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02:18:11,320 --> 02:18:12,920
Speaker 1: We got some folks want to talk to you, doctor Fox.

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02:18:13,040 --> 02:18:15,800
Speaker 1: Let's go to Miller. Miller's calling from Washington, DC Online

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Speaker 1: one Grand Rising Miller, You're on with doctor Fox.

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02:18:18,840 --> 02:18:20,520
Speaker 9: Good morning, Good morning, my brothers.

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02:18:20,760 --> 02:18:21,360
Speaker 3: Doctor Fox.

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02:18:21,440 --> 02:18:22,680
Speaker 10: I'm a huge fan of yours.

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02:18:22,760 --> 02:18:24,680
Speaker 8: Sometimes I think you must read my mind.

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02:18:25,760 --> 02:18:28,200
Speaker 9: Thank you so much.

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02:18:28,600 --> 02:18:32,480
Speaker 3: Just a quick comment. Brother called in a little while ago,

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02:18:33,000 --> 02:18:33,720
Speaker 3: little slap on.

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Speaker 13: The wrist for the misspronunciation of fair CON's name, and

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Speaker 13: he spoke about the ass sound. Right after he did that,

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02:18:42,560 --> 02:18:44,480
Speaker 13: he referred to the mayor of New York and he

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Speaker 13: called him Mam Donnie. So he did the exact same

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02:18:47,560 --> 02:18:50,640
Speaker 13: thing that he jumped on you. So I just wanted

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Speaker 13: to make that a wedness that we have to be fair.

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Speaker 13: We got two things across the board.

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Speaker 3: So that's all. That's just my quick comment.

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Speaker 8: I know I do something at least the effort to

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02:19:03,680 --> 02:19:11,080
Speaker 8: pronounce people's name correctly is important for me. It's a

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Speaker 8: matter of respect.

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Speaker 3: And I leave.

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02:19:14,959 --> 02:19:20,360
Speaker 8: The brother wasn't really chastising, he was just trying to help.

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Speaker 8: But thank you.

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02:19:22,840 --> 02:19:25,240
Speaker 9: I agree, I agree, I agree, all right, thank you.

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Speaker 9: Take care of my brothers, all right.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Miller eight five zero seventy eight seventy six of

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Speaker 1: the brother Shaheed's checking in from ben Stey, Brooklyn. He's

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Speaker 1: online to Grand Rising, Brother Shaheed, a question for doctor.

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Speaker 10: Fox, Grand Rising, Grand Rising, my beloved brothers. Doctor Fox,

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Speaker 10: I hope you're the right person to put this question to.

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Speaker 10: I'm curious, out of all the texts in the world,

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Speaker 10: and of all the texts that I have read, this phenomena,

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Speaker 10: this magnanimous phenomena of the parting of the Red Sea,

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02:20:04,560 --> 02:20:07,880
Speaker 10: why is it that no other people know or that

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02:20:08,080 --> 02:20:11,680
Speaker 10: every other people who can read and write, have not

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Speaker 10: charnaculized an analysis and a view of that occurrence in

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Speaker 10: the world other than the to gael Christian books that

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02:20:25,440 --> 02:20:31,040
Speaker 10: have been written by these people. You respond, could I please?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't think you're going to like my answer.

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02:20:33,360 --> 02:20:38,400
Speaker 8: But number one, I don't know, and number two, I

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02:20:38,560 --> 02:20:43,080
Speaker 8: try not to get bogged down into religion with people.

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02:20:43,600 --> 02:20:48,600
Speaker 8: I use scripture only as a method, only in those

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02:20:48,600 --> 02:20:54,920
Speaker 8: scriptures since that speak to revolution like envy, thou not

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02:20:55,160 --> 02:21:00,560
Speaker 8: the oppressor, because much of our protests historically, I believe

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02:21:01,320 --> 02:21:07,440
Speaker 8: it's been out of envy of our wicked oppressor. So

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02:21:08,280 --> 02:21:11,800
Speaker 8: other than that, I don't try to get bogged down

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Speaker 8: into the history or whatever. I'm looking for nuggets of

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Speaker 8: wisdom to guide our revolution. So I don't know, and

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Speaker 8: it's not something that I have any expertise in.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you, brother, calling from Brooklyn. Doctor Fox

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Speaker 1: has got some tweet question for your doctor Fox. This

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Speaker 1: question says, quoted directly, doctor Fox, what should black people

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Speaker 1: be doing to help themselves during this administration? It seems

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Speaker 1: we're in shock.

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Speaker 8: Well, first of all, you know, I gave if they

2345
02:21:46,200 --> 02:21:51,280
Speaker 8: were listening the last time or the time before that,

2346
02:21:51,520 --> 02:21:56,600
Speaker 8: I was on the air. I gave it's two or

2347
02:21:56,680 --> 02:22:02,000
Speaker 8: three things that we must do until uh in order

2348
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Speaker 8: to come out of this on on top. And the

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02:22:06,120 --> 02:22:12,480
Speaker 8: first thing was that, you know, raise our children properly, uh,

2350
02:22:13,120 --> 02:22:16,760
Speaker 8: you know, informed them as to what is going on

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Speaker 8: and and so saiety, and train them to be responses

2352
02:22:25,120 --> 02:22:27,680
Speaker 8: to our needs as a group, not just their own,

2353
02:22:28,000 --> 02:22:34,560
Speaker 8: you know, personal desires for wealth and fame. We must

2354
02:22:34,840 --> 02:22:37,440
Speaker 8: And I said, you know, we must encourage our children

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02:22:37,840 --> 02:22:40,680
Speaker 8: to become military person at all, because we want to

2356
02:22:40,879 --> 02:22:44,360
Speaker 8: be in the mix. I was surprised as I had

2357
02:22:44,800 --> 02:22:51,240
Speaker 8: arrived at that conclusion myself, because I'm very anti military

2358
02:22:51,480 --> 02:22:54,600
Speaker 8: of this nation. But we have to be there to

2359
02:22:54,760 --> 02:22:58,520
Speaker 8: make certain that the military is not turned against us.

2360
02:22:59,720 --> 02:23:02,920
Speaker 8: We to train our children or encourage our children to

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Speaker 8: be civil rights attorneys and cyber experts, because warfare is

2362
02:23:09,280 --> 02:23:11,880
Speaker 8: the next level and we need to be right in

2363
02:23:12,040 --> 02:23:15,240
Speaker 8: the midst of it once again to make certain that

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02:23:15,520 --> 02:23:20,840
Speaker 8: those cyber weapons are not turned against our communities. I

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02:23:21,000 --> 02:23:26,440
Speaker 8: also said that we needed to vote and in truth,

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02:23:26,879 --> 02:23:31,879
Speaker 8: as you know, Malcolm said the ballot or or the bullet,

2367
02:23:32,760 --> 02:23:35,160
Speaker 8: which was taken from a movie by a similar title,

2368
02:23:35,480 --> 02:23:38,680
Speaker 8: that bullets or ballots was the name of the movie,

2369
02:23:38,760 --> 02:23:43,120
Speaker 8: in the nineteen thirty six movie. But I said, we

2370
02:23:43,240 --> 02:23:46,320
Speaker 8: need to take that very seriously and use the weapon

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02:23:46,680 --> 02:23:50,000
Speaker 8: of voting, which I mentioned in my book when I

2372
02:23:50,520 --> 02:23:54,400
Speaker 8: talk about the weapons that we have at our disposal

2373
02:23:54,600 --> 02:23:57,920
Speaker 8: right now, if you don't have the book, please get it,

2374
02:23:58,959 --> 02:24:02,440
Speaker 8: and one of those weapons is the ballot. We can

2375
02:24:02,560 --> 02:24:06,800
Speaker 8: vote most of these clowns out of office next November.

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02:24:07,240 --> 02:24:10,440
Speaker 8: Don't forget it. May certain that you're there, and I

2377
02:24:10,480 --> 02:24:13,240
Speaker 8: would just say, vote a straight Democrat if you never

2378
02:24:13,360 --> 02:24:18,440
Speaker 8: voted before, just this, votes straight Democrat. Not because all

2379
02:24:18,480 --> 02:24:24,920
Speaker 8: those people are excellent people, but they have attached themselves

2380
02:24:25,280 --> 02:24:29,920
Speaker 8: to an agenda that will that will relieve some of

2381
02:24:30,000 --> 02:24:30,879
Speaker 8: the stress.

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Speaker 5: On our lives.

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02:24:31,800 --> 02:24:37,040
Speaker 8: And that's all we can expect from you know, this system,

2384
02:24:37,120 --> 02:24:40,520
Speaker 8: this wicked system of politics. The rest we have to

2385
02:24:40,600 --> 02:24:43,520
Speaker 8: do ourselves. But we have to have less stress on

2386
02:24:43,640 --> 02:24:47,800
Speaker 8: our lives in order to conccentrate on and what we

2387
02:24:48,040 --> 02:24:52,240
Speaker 8: must and can do for ourselves. So those are basically

2388
02:24:52,480 --> 02:24:54,640
Speaker 8: things that we need to do. For other weapons. You

2389
02:24:54,720 --> 02:24:57,960
Speaker 8: can get my book and read the chapter on weapons

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02:24:59,000 --> 02:25:00,600
Speaker 8: that we have at our disposal.

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02:25:01,800 --> 02:25:04,520
Speaker 1: All right after the top was a tweet question for

2392
02:25:04,600 --> 02:25:07,879
Speaker 1: doctor Fox. Doctor Fox, A person says, Grand Rising, where

2393
02:25:07,920 --> 02:25:10,680
Speaker 1: you asked doctor Fox about the Christians that Trump says

2394
02:25:10,959 --> 02:25:14,920
Speaker 1: are being killed in Nigeria. Were those Christians black?

2395
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Speaker 8: I think he is talking about the some of the

2396
02:25:21,760 --> 02:25:28,680
Speaker 8: strikes that may be between communities, religious communities and in Nigeria.

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Speaker 8: I don't know if he's talking about you know, white

2398
02:25:31,640 --> 02:25:35,120
Speaker 8: missionaries or whatever. I'm not sure, but I think he's

2399
02:25:35,160 --> 02:25:41,440
Speaker 8: talking about some of the tension between various religions, you know,

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Speaker 8: within that nation.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 8: But there again, I'm surprised that anybody would even pay

2403
02:25:47,240 --> 02:25:52,560
Speaker 8: any attention to anything that that deemon and says he's

2404
02:25:52,640 --> 02:25:57,920
Speaker 8: not concerned about what what happens to black people in

2405
02:25:58,200 --> 02:26:02,000
Speaker 8: in Africa. If he were, he would not have opened

2406
02:26:02,080 --> 02:26:10,920
Speaker 8: up the doors uh to those white u apartheight savages

2407
02:26:11,680 --> 02:26:15,600
Speaker 8: in South Africa and in South Africa, uh to come

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02:26:15,680 --> 02:26:19,680
Speaker 8: to America. Uh number one. And he also would have

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02:26:20,000 --> 02:26:25,400
Speaker 8: kept the funding of the us ah I D the

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02:26:25,560 --> 02:26:31,480
Speaker 8: us AID program that was, you know, providing medicine and

2411
02:26:31,720 --> 02:26:38,320
Speaker 8: food throughout Africa to black people throughout Africa. So you know,

2412
02:26:38,440 --> 02:26:44,800
Speaker 8: he's not concerned about really anything except aligning his pockets.

2413
02:26:44,840 --> 02:26:51,000
Speaker 8: He's a kleptomaniac and a malignant narcissists. So I wouldn't

2414
02:26:51,000 --> 02:26:51,760
Speaker 8: pay attention to that.

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02:26:52,520 --> 02:26:56,040
Speaker 1: All right, ten, I have the top Fox. Fox. You

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02:26:56,120 --> 02:26:59,240
Speaker 1: mentioned that people should vote, and especially in the midterms,

2417
02:26:59,400 --> 02:27:03,880
Speaker 1: But don't you think that the current administration has that already?

2418
02:27:03,959 --> 02:27:06,680
Speaker 1: Fearing their plan, there's going to be some blowback. How

2419
02:27:06,720 --> 02:27:08,120
Speaker 1: do you think they're going to respond to that?

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02:27:08,600 --> 02:27:11,760
Speaker 8: Well, then you know, we particularly now have to be

2421
02:27:11,959 --> 02:27:16,520
Speaker 8: ever so alert, ever so woke. H. We have no idea.

2422
02:27:16,920 --> 02:27:20,840
Speaker 8: He's seems to literally be building an armed his own

2423
02:27:20,920 --> 02:27:23,600
Speaker 8: personal army uh to go out there, and we have

2424
02:27:23,680 --> 02:27:27,240
Speaker 8: to be aware of that and be ready to respond

2425
02:27:27,400 --> 02:27:28,480
Speaker 8: and with equal force.

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02:27:30,400 --> 02:27:30,520
Speaker 7: Uh.

2427
02:27:30,800 --> 02:27:35,360
Speaker 8: He's trying to intimidate people, you know, not to vote

2428
02:27:35,480 --> 02:27:35,840
Speaker 8: or whatever.

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02:27:36,560 --> 02:27:36,680
Speaker 5: Uh.

2430
02:27:37,040 --> 02:27:39,640
Speaker 8: But there again, I mean he put up that same

2431
02:27:39,800 --> 02:27:44,360
Speaker 8: kind the threat uh this last time. But it didn't

2432
02:27:44,400 --> 02:27:48,800
Speaker 8: work because as people came out anyhow, despite whatever fears

2433
02:27:49,120 --> 02:27:54,000
Speaker 8: they may have, particularly with the Spanish speaking with our

2434
02:27:54,000 --> 02:27:58,880
Speaker 8: Spanish speaking neighbors, they came out anyhow to vote. And

2435
02:27:58,959 --> 02:28:04,120
Speaker 8: we have to do the same period, you know, hopefully

2436
02:28:04,520 --> 02:28:07,480
Speaker 8: if there is any kind of physical encounter.

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02:28:08,120 --> 02:28:08,200
Speaker 5: Uh.

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02:28:08,560 --> 02:28:14,320
Speaker 8: The local governments, many of whom many of which are

2439
02:28:14,440 --> 02:28:19,640
Speaker 8: controlled by black mayors or or whatever local officials uh

2440
02:28:20,560 --> 02:28:25,640
Speaker 8: who uh run the election, you know, equipment and whatever.

2441
02:28:27,040 --> 02:28:30,360
Speaker 8: Hopefully they'll be able to stop any effort on a

2442
02:28:30,520 --> 02:28:38,000
Speaker 8: part of Trump's uh illegal militia uh to to stop

2443
02:28:38,520 --> 02:28:42,040
Speaker 8: people from voting. So we'll just have to see. But

2444
02:28:42,400 --> 02:28:47,359
Speaker 8: hopefully we are ready, are our cities and our states

2445
02:28:47,600 --> 02:28:49,160
Speaker 8: are ready to respond.

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02:28:49,600 --> 02:28:51,960
Speaker 1: All right? Right now to the top. Now, there's an

2447
02:28:51,959 --> 02:29:01,000
Speaker 1: open rebellion amongst the Republicans against Donald Trump. And even they.

2448
02:28:58,879 --> 02:29:02,920
Speaker 8: Haven't come that uh that that anti Trump yet.

2449
02:29:04,520 --> 02:29:04,640
Speaker 5: Uh.

2450
02:29:05,240 --> 02:29:10,320
Speaker 8: You know, we know that they are are always uh

2451
02:29:10,959 --> 02:29:13,959
Speaker 8: looking for ways to enrich themselves, and that's just why

2452
02:29:14,280 --> 02:29:17,400
Speaker 8: they want to stay in office. But hopefully we can

2453
02:29:17,480 --> 02:29:21,960
Speaker 8: vote them out. But that's that's why they stuck to

2454
02:29:22,640 --> 02:29:27,400
Speaker 8: Trump like glue, thinking that the maga bas uh was

2455
02:29:27,440 --> 02:29:30,560
Speaker 8: sufficient enough to keep them in office. And I think

2456
02:29:30,720 --> 02:29:35,120
Speaker 8: this last election kind of jolted them out of that delusion.

2457
02:29:36,400 --> 02:29:40,400
Speaker 8: So now they're offering maybe a little little bit more resistance.

2458
02:29:40,520 --> 02:29:42,440
Speaker 8: We'll see how far it goes. But go ahead.

2459
02:29:43,040 --> 02:29:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say, but this is caused

2460
02:29:45,040 --> 02:29:48,920
Speaker 1: by Epstein Epstein files. Many of them, especially the Republican wins. Yeah,

2461
02:29:49,440 --> 02:29:51,680
Speaker 1: they're they're just we want to see all the files.

2462
02:29:52,800 --> 02:29:56,680
Speaker 1: Being probably what he would describe as being defiant, they're

2463
02:29:56,760 --> 02:29:59,680
Speaker 1: asking for these files. Do you think these Epstein files

2464
02:29:59,680 --> 02:30:03,240
Speaker 1: because if they're ever released, and there's a question where

2465
02:30:03,240 --> 02:30:05,879
Speaker 1: they'll all be totally released, because they will contain both

2466
02:30:06,360 --> 02:30:09,200
Speaker 1: Republicans and Democrats, and so lit'sten put that out there.

2467
02:30:09,320 --> 02:30:12,200
Speaker 1: It's not just Republicans and not just you know, Republicans

2468
02:30:12,320 --> 02:30:14,200
Speaker 1: in those files. Do you think this will be the

2469
02:30:14,280 --> 02:30:16,280
Speaker 1: tipping point for this administration?

2470
02:30:18,000 --> 02:30:20,959
Speaker 5: Well, we don't know. My belief.

2471
02:30:21,720 --> 02:30:26,440
Speaker 8: As I talked to people, people will ask why do

2472
02:30:26,640 --> 02:30:31,680
Speaker 8: these people will still continue to why does his base

2473
02:30:32,320 --> 02:30:36,840
Speaker 8: still can continue to support him? And I believe that

2474
02:30:37,080 --> 02:30:42,800
Speaker 8: most of the pundits and most of the journalists that

2475
02:30:43,000 --> 02:30:46,800
Speaker 8: we see on TV or read their articles in magazines

2476
02:30:47,320 --> 02:30:52,600
Speaker 8: got it wrong. And here again you hear and you

2477
02:30:52,920 --> 02:30:55,560
Speaker 8: view things in the way and the light that you

2478
02:30:55,959 --> 02:31:00,120
Speaker 8: that you want to view them. I would love to

2479
02:31:00,200 --> 02:31:04,200
Speaker 8: tell some of these even so called liberal journalists that

2480
02:31:04,400 --> 02:31:09,039
Speaker 8: you keep asking the question why do these people continue

2481
02:31:09,120 --> 02:31:12,879
Speaker 8: to support Trump? The reason is it's because he.

2482
02:31:14,360 --> 02:31:16,039
Speaker 5: Reflects their.

2483
02:31:17,640 --> 02:31:23,279
Speaker 8: Hatred for the other, and mostly the other is black people,

2484
02:31:24,640 --> 02:31:29,760
Speaker 8: people who call themselves so called brown, The blackness is

2485
02:31:29,840 --> 02:31:35,440
Speaker 8: a political category. It's not a complexion. Which are so

2486
02:31:35,600 --> 02:31:40,000
Speaker 8: called brown brothers and sisters need to understand they are black.

2487
02:31:40,480 --> 02:31:46,680
Speaker 8: They are treated as black people politically. So the reason

2488
02:31:46,760 --> 02:31:50,200
Speaker 8: why folks still stick to him, they say that his

2489
02:31:50,840 --> 02:32:00,200
Speaker 8: support is wavering between that's still too way too much,

2490
02:32:01,240 --> 02:32:05,880
Speaker 8: gives in his idiocy and his sickness, But they stick

2491
02:32:06,000 --> 02:32:12,320
Speaker 8: with him because he reflects their hatred for black people,

2492
02:32:12,920 --> 02:32:17,959
Speaker 8: and their hatred as I describe them in my book,

2493
02:32:18,000 --> 02:32:21,879
Speaker 8: I think the beginning the second chapter with the description

2494
02:32:22,760 --> 02:32:28,959
Speaker 8: of of of these people who support him. Uh, there

2495
02:32:29,080 --> 02:32:36,040
Speaker 8: is nothing more important to their sense of self and

2496
02:32:38,160 --> 02:32:46,200
Speaker 8: safety than their hatred for other people. I mean that.

2497
02:32:47,200 --> 02:32:49,800
Speaker 8: As I said, the world has paid a catastrophic price

2498
02:32:50,440 --> 02:32:55,360
Speaker 8: for ignoring the psychopathology of white oppressors. White oppressors are

2499
02:32:55,400 --> 02:33:01,960
Speaker 8: a personality disordered individuals who are unperturbed by the symptoms

2500
02:33:02,120 --> 02:33:08,199
Speaker 8: of their disorder. Though their behavior has caused considerable hardship

2501
02:33:08,680 --> 02:33:12,760
Speaker 8: for the targets of their hatred and even sometimes I'll

2502
02:33:13,000 --> 02:33:20,600
Speaker 8: add themselves, they systematically fail to correct the distorted lenses

2503
02:33:20,720 --> 02:33:24,360
Speaker 8: through which they view the world. Indeed, their lenses are

2504
02:33:24,440 --> 02:33:29,680
Speaker 8: afraid so snugly. And here's the important piece by their

2505
02:33:29,920 --> 02:33:34,119
Speaker 8: personal and cultural identities. You know, I'm white, you're black.

2506
02:33:35,560 --> 02:33:41,200
Speaker 8: To change spectacles would feel like self annihilation. So to

2507
02:33:41,320 --> 02:33:46,640
Speaker 8: give up their racism would be almost like committing suicide.

2508
02:33:47,160 --> 02:33:50,920
Speaker 8: And that's something that I don't think these pundits and

2509
02:33:51,160 --> 02:33:56,800
Speaker 8: these journalists realize, and in part they don't want to realize.

2510
02:33:56,840 --> 02:34:01,840
Speaker 8: These white journalists and plundents don't want to realize because

2511
02:34:02,160 --> 02:34:06,240
Speaker 8: even the so called the liberal ones, their mother, their father,

2512
02:34:06,800 --> 02:34:12,040
Speaker 8: their dentists, their attorney, their physician, their neighbors are all

2513
02:34:12,680 --> 02:34:15,360
Speaker 8: racist and call it.

2514
02:34:16,959 --> 02:34:18,680
Speaker 1: Right and hold up all right there, doc, because we

2515
02:34:18,680 --> 02:34:20,120
Speaker 1: got to take a show bat when we come back, though,

2516
02:34:20,120 --> 02:34:21,600
Speaker 1: I hear what you say, and I'll let you finish

2517
02:34:21,680 --> 02:34:23,840
Speaker 1: that thought. But tell what about the black magas we

2518
02:34:23,920 --> 02:34:26,440
Speaker 1: got to focus. We got some black supporters even what's

2519
02:34:26,480 --> 02:34:29,040
Speaker 1: going on now, and they call here on Friday? What

2520
02:34:29,200 --> 02:34:30,640
Speaker 1: about them? Is itself?

2521
02:34:30,680 --> 02:34:31,040
Speaker 5: Aby to?

2522
02:34:31,760 --> 02:34:33,520
Speaker 1: All right, I'll let you explain that when we get

2523
02:34:33,560 --> 02:34:36,040
Speaker 1: back from this big family as eighteen minutes after the

2524
02:34:36,080 --> 02:34:38,080
Speaker 1: top of it, I'll grab some substance from your soul

2525
02:34:38,120 --> 02:34:40,080
Speaker 1: from doctor Fox and reach us an eight hundred and

2526
02:34:40,080 --> 02:34:42,600
Speaker 1: four or five zero seventy eight to seventy six I'm

2527
02:34:42,640 --> 02:34:45,480
Speaker 1: we take your phone calls next and Grant Rising family

2528
02:34:45,560 --> 02:34:47,880
Speaker 1: twenty one minutes after top. Thanks for staying with us

2529
02:34:47,920 --> 02:34:50,800
Speaker 1: on this Thursday morning. I guess is a clinical psichologist,

2530
02:34:50,879 --> 02:34:53,120
Speaker 1: doctor jerome E. Fox. I keep telling you about his book.

2531
02:34:53,160 --> 02:34:55,160
Speaker 1: You gotta read his book. It's and I'm not trying

2532
02:34:55,160 --> 02:34:57,440
Speaker 1: to sell the book, but you'll answer a lot of

2533
02:34:57,560 --> 02:34:59,200
Speaker 1: questions that you have. And the title of the book

2534
02:34:59,280 --> 02:35:01,560
Speaker 1: is addicted to why the Oppressed in League with the

2535
02:35:01,600 --> 02:35:03,760
Speaker 1: Oppressor and the part I like the best of the

2536
02:35:03,800 --> 02:35:08,400
Speaker 1: subtitle as shame based Alliance. Doctor Fox, before we left,

2537
02:35:08,800 --> 02:35:11,840
Speaker 1: you mentioned that white folks who support Donald Trump because

2538
02:35:11,879 --> 02:35:14,440
Speaker 1: they be identify with him. They hate the same things

2539
02:35:14,480 --> 02:35:17,000
Speaker 1: and the same people that he hates. Now, what about

2540
02:35:17,040 --> 02:35:19,080
Speaker 1: the blacks, the Blacks for Trumps. There's a group in

2541
02:35:19,160 --> 02:35:22,200
Speaker 1: Miami called Blacks for Trump's. You've got black maggot as

2542
02:35:22,200 --> 02:35:24,000
Speaker 1: well as a bunch of those folks out there as well.

2543
02:35:24,240 --> 02:35:28,400
Speaker 8: What's the issue, Well, let me just say, a superordinate

2544
02:35:29,400 --> 02:35:37,720
Speaker 8: issue that covers the whole issue is another topic that

2545
02:35:38,040 --> 02:35:43,920
Speaker 8: I discussed in the book, which is fear. As I

2546
02:35:44,120 --> 02:35:49,440
Speaker 8: was saying about our white neighbors who consider them us

2547
02:35:49,520 --> 02:35:53,920
Speaker 8: to be liberal and not you know racist, if in

2548
02:35:54,000 --> 02:36:00,280
Speaker 8: this that is true, they are surrounded by rat is

2549
02:36:00,840 --> 02:36:05,520
Speaker 8: perhaps in their family and their neighborhood, except and their

2550
02:36:06,160 --> 02:36:12,480
Speaker 8: fear of losing. It's a kind of uh primordial fear

2551
02:36:13,120 --> 02:36:17,880
Speaker 8: of being alone and and and you know, having to

2552
02:36:18,000 --> 02:36:23,960
Speaker 8: fight the elements by yourself. It's kindd of embedded in

2553
02:36:24,120 --> 02:36:29,480
Speaker 8: our primitive mind that this is not a good situation

2554
02:36:29,760 --> 02:36:34,040
Speaker 8: to be alone. When we were struggling to fight the

2555
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Speaker 8: dinosaurs and and whatever elements in our environment, to do

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02:36:39,520 --> 02:36:45,000
Speaker 8: that alone, which was almost a sentence, uh for sure death,

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Speaker 8: So we retain that even in our more modern times.

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02:36:50,280 --> 02:36:59,119
Speaker 8: So the idea of being uh unable to survive both

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02:36:59,240 --> 02:37:04,920
Speaker 8: mentally and certainly physically or ties these people to their

2560
02:37:05,360 --> 02:37:10,720
Speaker 8: racist neighbors and family members. And they know that it's wrong,

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02:37:11,080 --> 02:37:15,680
Speaker 8: so they twist their mind to kind of ignore what's

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02:37:15,760 --> 02:37:19,600
Speaker 8: going on, and then constantly ask the question, you know,

2563
02:37:20,280 --> 02:37:24,760
Speaker 8: why are these maga pa sticking with Trump? Well, you

2564
02:37:24,879 --> 02:37:27,720
Speaker 8: know why, I would like to say them because he

2565
02:37:28,120 --> 02:37:32,080
Speaker 8: is a racist, and being racist is the most important

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02:37:32,240 --> 02:37:36,959
Speaker 8: thing in their lives. It's not money, it's not economics,

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02:37:37,040 --> 02:37:43,120
Speaker 8: it's not healthcare. It's need and to feel superior to

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02:37:43,280 --> 02:37:47,680
Speaker 8: someone else. And that's this is what these pundits and

2569
02:37:47,959 --> 02:37:52,720
Speaker 8: journalists will never say that that's the most important thing

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02:37:52,840 --> 02:37:55,600
Speaker 8: in their hearts and minds, and that's why they stick

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Speaker 8: with Trump. Now, why do black people I had just

2572
02:37:58,640 --> 02:38:03,320
Speaker 8: said in respect to another question, an earlier question that

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02:38:04,760 --> 02:38:09,640
Speaker 8: you know, as as we try to describe our people

2574
02:38:09,760 --> 02:38:12,600
Speaker 8: over and over and over again, what we think is

2575
02:38:12,680 --> 02:38:17,960
Speaker 8: the problem is not really the problem deeply rooted, as

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02:38:18,000 --> 02:38:20,680
Speaker 8: I said on page sixteen, deeply rooted of my workbook,

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02:38:20,879 --> 02:38:30,360
Speaker 8: centuries long ongoing oppression is devastatingly traumatic, and unfortunately we

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02:38:31,560 --> 02:38:38,080
Speaker 8: under those kinds of conditions, a people made the decide

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Speaker 8: not to fight back. It's like, if you can't beat them,

2580
02:38:44,720 --> 02:38:49,400
Speaker 8: join them. And these back so called magao have have

2581
02:38:49,720 --> 02:38:57,440
Speaker 8: concluded through centuries of oppression that that is it's safer.

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02:38:58,000 --> 02:39:01,560
Speaker 8: It all goes back to fear once again, fear of

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02:39:01,760 --> 02:39:06,400
Speaker 8: not being able to survive, and certainly if they want

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02:39:06,480 --> 02:39:13,640
Speaker 8: to thrive, block being blocked from thriving and u and

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02:39:14,720 --> 02:39:17,160
Speaker 8: with the definition that white folks have given them, like

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02:39:17,360 --> 02:39:19,640
Speaker 8: you would thrive through having a whole lot of creature

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02:39:19,640 --> 02:39:24,000
Speaker 8: comforts and whatever, and these people have are so addicted

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02:39:24,080 --> 02:39:28,560
Speaker 8: to white that they have adopted their definitions of the

2589
02:39:28,640 --> 02:39:33,640
Speaker 8: good life as well, and they're afraid that they won't

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02:39:33,800 --> 02:39:37,600
Speaker 8: be able to enjoy the so called good life as

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02:39:37,680 --> 02:39:41,840
Speaker 8: defined by their enemies. So if you can't beat them,

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Speaker 8: join them. And centuries of oppressure and have have really

2593
02:39:46,840 --> 02:39:52,440
Speaker 8: undercut our willingness and an ability to fight back. That's

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02:39:52,480 --> 02:39:55,160
Speaker 8: why we have to beg black people to go and vote.

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02:39:55,360 --> 02:39:59,360
Speaker 8: I mean, given all of the stuff that's coming at us,

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02:40:00,040 --> 02:40:03,279
Speaker 8: we should be the most voting people in America, voting

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02:40:03,360 --> 02:40:07,480
Speaker 8: at eighty and ninety percent. But we've been treating not

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02:40:08,440 --> 02:40:14,959
Speaker 8: to support ourselves, not to defend ourselves. As I say,

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02:40:15,000 --> 02:40:17,360
Speaker 8: I go to bed thinking like a general, and I

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02:40:17,480 --> 02:40:22,840
Speaker 8: get up thinking like a general. We have been conditioned

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02:40:22,920 --> 02:40:27,440
Speaker 8: and not to be that way in order to, in

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Speaker 8: other words, to just be dependent upon our enemies, as

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02:40:31,560 --> 02:40:35,200
Speaker 8: ridiculous as that may sound, but to be dependent upon

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02:40:35,400 --> 02:40:41,000
Speaker 8: our enemies to take care of us. And if you're

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02:40:41,040 --> 02:40:44,680
Speaker 8: of that mindsets that you're more than willing to join

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02:40:46,000 --> 02:40:51,199
Speaker 8: with them, hoping that you'll be the exception to their hatred,

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02:40:52,120 --> 02:40:56,240
Speaker 8: that they'll that they'll want a few token black folk

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02:40:57,320 --> 02:41:01,959
Speaker 8: among them as they throw some crumb off their table

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02:41:02,280 --> 02:41:06,440
Speaker 8: to you. But with the condition, with the proviso that

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02:41:06,600 --> 02:41:08,760
Speaker 8: you never and I say this in the book as well,

2611
02:41:09,040 --> 02:41:13,800
Speaker 8: that you never speak against them or do anything against them.

2612
02:41:14,360 --> 02:41:18,160
Speaker 8: And too many of us are willing to agree to

2613
02:41:18,280 --> 02:41:22,240
Speaker 8: that contract. And that's what's going on there. But it's

2614
02:41:22,320 --> 02:41:23,560
Speaker 8: all on fear.

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02:41:24,040 --> 02:41:24,280
Speaker 5: Fear.

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02:41:24,400 --> 02:41:26,480
Speaker 1: Well, Jman to ask you this question, how does how

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02:41:26,520 --> 02:41:29,280
Speaker 1: do they see the Black magas they see it? Doesn't

2618
02:41:29,840 --> 02:41:31,000
Speaker 1: have distaste for them, you.

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02:41:31,040 --> 02:41:34,040
Speaker 8: See, they see them as being fools and idiots. They

2620
02:41:34,080 --> 02:41:38,520
Speaker 8: don't have any respect for them. They're using them, and

2621
02:41:38,760 --> 02:41:44,080
Speaker 8: the Black Maga have decided that Okay, here's my behind.

2622
02:41:44,240 --> 02:41:47,680
Speaker 8: You can kick it as long as you can give

2623
02:41:47,720 --> 02:41:49,440
Speaker 8: me a few crumbs from your table.

2624
02:41:50,280 --> 02:41:52,440
Speaker 1: I at black Magas who call on Friday, calling now

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02:41:52,520 --> 02:41:54,760
Speaker 1: and challenge Doctor Fox eight hundred and four or five

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02:41:54,879 --> 02:41:57,760
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six, that's the number. JR. Is

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02:41:57,840 --> 02:42:00,880
Speaker 1: using it. She's going from Ohio. She's online one grind

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02:42:00,959 --> 02:42:02,680
Speaker 1: rising J. Are you're on with Doctor Fox?

2629
02:42:06,600 --> 02:42:06,760
Speaker 5: Jay?

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02:42:06,800 --> 02:42:07,560
Speaker 1: Are there online? One?

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02:42:08,879 --> 02:42:09,080
Speaker 6: Yes?

2632
02:42:10,320 --> 02:42:10,520
Speaker 5: Yeah?

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02:42:10,600 --> 02:42:11,480
Speaker 1: There you go ahead?

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02:42:13,040 --> 02:42:14,200
Speaker 14: Okay, great, thank you.

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02:42:16,000 --> 02:42:16,200
Speaker 6: Yes.

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02:42:16,400 --> 02:42:20,400
Speaker 14: I would like to first say, uh, that reminded me

2637
02:42:20,840 --> 02:42:23,440
Speaker 14: when the elder just said he waked up thinking like

2638
02:42:23,520 --> 02:42:25,280
Speaker 14: a general go to bed thinking like a general, and

2639
02:42:25,320 --> 02:42:27,600
Speaker 14: I just want to say I shay and rest in

2640
02:42:27,680 --> 02:42:31,800
Speaker 14: power to an activist in Cincinnati, the late General Kebaka

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02:42:31,920 --> 02:42:34,520
Speaker 14: all the the People's General, because he believes in that

2642
02:42:34,720 --> 02:42:39,520
Speaker 14: very concept. Now really quickly, I wanted to say this

2643
02:42:39,640 --> 02:42:43,200
Speaker 14: and being right to my question is I do appreciate also, Elder,

2644
02:42:43,280 --> 02:42:46,199
Speaker 14: that you pushed back and took the task this idea

2645
02:42:46,240 --> 02:42:49,440
Speaker 14: of why don't we and we should? And I'm very

2646
02:42:49,520 --> 02:42:51,560
Speaker 14: glad you asked a question because that's what I always

2647
02:42:51,600 --> 02:42:55,320
Speaker 14: want to ask, is who is we and and why

2648
02:42:55,480 --> 02:43:00,520
Speaker 14: do we quote unquote leave the teaching of all the

2649
02:43:00,600 --> 02:43:02,560
Speaker 14: things that our children need to know in terms of

2650
02:43:03,160 --> 02:43:08,240
Speaker 14: whether it's quite iCal economics or on our history or otherwise,

2651
02:43:08,440 --> 02:43:11,280
Speaker 14: or how the way these systems works that is for

2652
02:43:11,600 --> 02:43:14,199
Speaker 14: us in the home to do it and shop stand

2653
02:43:14,320 --> 02:43:16,000
Speaker 14: the week. It's just my opinion.

2654
02:43:16,040 --> 02:43:20,960
Speaker 8: Now, answer my question, I'm not sure I fully understand

2655
02:43:21,120 --> 02:43:24,200
Speaker 8: you're saying that you're saying stop saying the we.

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02:43:25,640 --> 02:43:29,880
Speaker 14: Well, I'm just basically agreeing with you earlier, Oh okay,

2657
02:43:30,600 --> 02:43:33,920
Speaker 14: and took to cast the whole concept of why don't

2658
02:43:34,000 --> 02:43:37,800
Speaker 14: we and we should put money behind that? Why don't

2659
02:43:38,120 --> 02:43:42,160
Speaker 14: we have black schools and you know, so that I

2660
02:43:42,360 --> 02:43:46,160
Speaker 14: was basically agreeing with you. Okay, so real fast. My

2661
02:43:46,400 --> 02:43:49,440
Speaker 14: question for you is, in the same way that you

2662
02:43:49,640 --> 02:43:55,440
Speaker 14: earlier spoke about basically taking the mask off of white

2663
02:43:55,600 --> 02:43:59,960
Speaker 14: Christian nationalism so called right and how you said, really

2664
02:44:00,200 --> 02:44:04,360
Speaker 14: we shouldn't call them Christians because that convinces us in

2665
02:44:04,480 --> 02:44:07,320
Speaker 14: our own minds that they actually are Christian, right you

2666
02:44:07,440 --> 02:44:13,160
Speaker 14: follow you said that earlier. So to that end, I'd

2667
02:44:13,240 --> 02:44:15,640
Speaker 14: love to hear you if you have an opinion on it.

2668
02:44:16,160 --> 02:44:20,040
Speaker 14: I feel this exact same way, although I can't typically

2669
02:44:20,160 --> 02:44:23,800
Speaker 14: express it too widely because people are so sensitive, but

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02:44:24,040 --> 02:44:27,720
Speaker 14: that in the same way, we ought not call that

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02:44:28,600 --> 02:44:30,720
Speaker 14: group of people who call.

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02:44:30,760 --> 02:44:32,560
Speaker 6: Themselves quote unquote.

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02:44:32,480 --> 02:44:37,560
Speaker 14: Jews and bigger than that, especially, we should not acknowledge

2674
02:44:37,640 --> 02:44:43,280
Speaker 14: the very word anti Semitism because we know that. First well,

2675
02:44:43,840 --> 02:44:45,800
Speaker 14: I won't get into that. I would just say we

2676
02:44:45,920 --> 02:44:49,280
Speaker 14: shouldn't acknowledge it. And if we could change our thinking

2677
02:44:49,440 --> 02:44:52,120
Speaker 14: in the same way that you said, don't think of

2678
02:44:52,200 --> 02:44:55,160
Speaker 14: them as Christians, don't even use that term, perhaps we

2679
02:44:55,240 --> 02:44:58,680
Speaker 14: can start moving that way with this made up concept

2680
02:44:59,200 --> 02:45:01,680
Speaker 14: of anti sismatism.

2681
02:45:01,000 --> 02:45:01,560
Speaker 5: And all the.

2682
02:45:03,640 --> 02:45:08,480
Speaker 14: Non physical ideas that that particular quote unquote community support

2683
02:45:08,760 --> 02:45:11,440
Speaker 14: I hope that makes sense, and thanks for taking my call.

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02:45:13,120 --> 02:45:17,640
Speaker 8: Yes, I don't know if I am in total agreement uh,

2685
02:45:17,959 --> 02:45:24,560
Speaker 8: and a total agreement with that. I think that that. Yeah,

2686
02:45:24,840 --> 02:45:29,520
Speaker 8: I understand that. I believe I understand the sentiment behind it.

2687
02:45:30,040 --> 02:45:33,600
Speaker 8: There is such a thing as anti semitism, uh, and

2688
02:45:33,920 --> 02:45:36,720
Speaker 8: and a lot of that anti Semitism, or at least

2689
02:45:36,800 --> 02:45:43,119
Speaker 8: some of that anti semitism, it's coming from people who

2690
02:45:43,520 --> 02:45:48,840
Speaker 8: are complaining about anti Semitism, because, as I mentioned in

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02:45:49,080 --> 02:45:55,800
Speaker 8: my book, there are African Jews who who immigrate to

2692
02:45:56,520 --> 02:46:01,840
Speaker 8: Israel and are treated like second class citizens. And from

2693
02:46:02,160 --> 02:46:08,960
Speaker 8: a historical point of view, these African Semis, if you

2694
02:46:09,000 --> 02:46:15,720
Speaker 8: want to call them, are are older than these white

2695
02:46:15,760 --> 02:46:21,720
Speaker 8: folk who call themselves, um, you know, uh Jews Jews,

2696
02:46:21,879 --> 02:46:25,320
Speaker 8: and it's it's okay to adopt any religion that you

2697
02:46:25,440 --> 02:46:30,680
Speaker 8: want to. But there's a lot of anti Semitism, even

2698
02:46:30,920 --> 02:46:36,800
Speaker 8: from the people who who claim to be battling anti Semitism.

2699
02:46:37,160 --> 02:46:43,400
Speaker 8: I've said before on this UH program that UH, any

2700
02:46:43,480 --> 02:46:47,760
Speaker 8: of the blocks that we have experienced to our progress

2701
02:46:48,600 --> 02:46:55,600
Speaker 8: I have been by people who call themselves Jews. I

2702
02:46:55,760 --> 02:46:58,080
Speaker 8: was trying to I had a list of things Laura

2703
02:46:58,200 --> 02:47:04,640
Speaker 8: Lumer that create woman who advises Trump is a Jew.

2704
02:47:06,480 --> 02:47:12,120
Speaker 8: Um Uh Uh the Barry Y CBS news editor and

2705
02:47:12,280 --> 02:47:16,160
Speaker 8: anti d e I loudmouth is a Jew.

2706
02:47:16,760 --> 02:47:16,880
Speaker 5: Uh.

2707
02:47:17,040 --> 02:47:24,080
Speaker 8: The anti UH and affirmative of action UH was kicked

2708
02:47:24,080 --> 02:47:28,080
Speaker 8: off by Baki Uh back in the seventies. A Jew

2709
02:47:28,680 --> 02:47:35,000
Speaker 8: Edward Bloom who sued the Fearless Fund, a venture capitalist

2710
02:47:35,800 --> 02:47:39,840
Speaker 8: fund giving money to black women, Uh is a Jew.

2711
02:47:40,440 --> 02:47:40,520
Speaker 5: Uh.

2712
02:47:40,920 --> 02:47:48,520
Speaker 8: This U currently this very virulent almost like crazy man. Uh.

2713
02:47:48,800 --> 02:47:53,560
Speaker 8: Steven Miller, who's behind a lot of the policies that

2714
02:47:54,720 --> 02:47:57,920
Speaker 8: uh Trump has put forward, is a Jew.

2715
02:47:59,240 --> 02:47:59,360
Speaker 3: Uh.

2716
02:48:00,120 --> 02:48:04,279
Speaker 8: You don't hear any of these the like the Anti

2717
02:48:04,440 --> 02:48:10,640
Speaker 8: Defamation League speaking against him or any of the black

2718
02:48:10,720 --> 02:48:15,280
Speaker 8: people or who are supported by Jewish money. Question, why

2719
02:48:15,480 --> 02:48:22,000
Speaker 8: isn't the Anti Defamation League speaking against particularly this Stephen Miller.

2720
02:48:22,600 --> 02:48:27,280
Speaker 8: Uh was the architect of the separation of immigrant families,

2721
02:48:27,920 --> 02:48:35,640
Speaker 8: any kind of police, all the policies that are harming Americans.

2722
02:48:36,480 --> 02:48:41,320
Speaker 8: His signature is on uh. And yet you have heard

2723
02:48:41,560 --> 02:48:47,120
Speaker 8: one peeping word from the Anti Defamation League about him.

2724
02:48:47,680 --> 02:48:51,720
Speaker 8: Who's who's doing all this damage to jew and non

2725
02:48:51,879 --> 02:48:56,760
Speaker 8: jew alike? So I understand your frustration, But there is

2726
02:48:56,920 --> 02:49:02,680
Speaker 8: anti Semitism, There is anti Africanism. It's like coin. There's

2727
02:49:02,920 --> 02:49:08,640
Speaker 8: a lot of anttie just you know, people period that

2728
02:49:09,600 --> 02:49:14,560
Speaker 8: that we need to speak against, we need to speak about.

2729
02:49:14,680 --> 02:49:18,440
Speaker 14: So, mister Nelson, because I just book in real, real fast,

2730
02:49:18,520 --> 02:49:21,240
Speaker 14: thank you for all of what to say. Basically, you

2731
02:49:21,760 --> 02:49:24,960
Speaker 14: confirm what I am saying. It was how I should

2732
02:49:24,959 --> 02:49:28,440
Speaker 14: have worded it is to say that not use the

2733
02:49:28,520 --> 02:49:33,320
Speaker 14: word anti sematism, and for that particular group in the

2734
02:49:33,360 --> 02:49:36,440
Speaker 14: way that they use it, for the very reason that

2735
02:49:36,560 --> 02:49:40,520
Speaker 14: you said the African semite. So basically you would have

2736
02:49:40,680 --> 02:49:45,160
Speaker 14: to be a semi claimed anti Semitism. And I don't

2737
02:49:45,200 --> 02:49:48,600
Speaker 14: see those people as Semite, but I think for somewhat

2738
02:49:48,760 --> 02:49:51,360
Speaker 14: on the same wavelength. Thank you so much for speaking

2739
02:49:51,400 --> 02:49:51,600
Speaker 14: to that.

2740
02:49:52,400 --> 02:49:55,280
Speaker 1: All right, I felt right there. We got to step aside.

2741
02:49:55,600 --> 02:49:57,879
Speaker 1: Twenty four minutes away from the topic. Let's Jr. Reaching

2742
02:49:57,920 --> 02:49:59,920
Speaker 1: out to us from Ohio. You could do the same thing.

2743
02:50:00,080 --> 02:50:02,959
Speaker 1: Hit us up at eight hundred four five zero seventy

2744
02:50:03,000 --> 02:50:05,240
Speaker 1: eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls next

2745
02:50:05,400 --> 02:50:07,640
Speaker 1: and Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on

2746
02:50:07,760 --> 02:50:10,640
Speaker 1: this Thursday morning here with our guest doctor Jerome Fox.

2747
02:50:10,720 --> 02:50:12,800
Speaker 1: He's the author of the best selling workbook I think

2748
02:50:12,840 --> 02:50:15,199
Speaker 1: that's a white the oppressed in league with the oppressor

2749
02:50:15,200 --> 02:50:17,240
Speaker 1: Achame based alliance. Before we take another call, im it

2750
02:50:17,360 --> 02:50:19,840
Speaker 1: just remind you it's tomorrow's Friday again and we would

2751
02:50:19,920 --> 02:50:22,200
Speaker 1: like to invite you all to join us for our

2752
02:50:22,240 --> 02:50:25,039
Speaker 1: open form Friday program. Free your mind and reach out

2753
02:50:25,080 --> 02:50:26,760
Speaker 1: to us. And when we say free your mind and

2754
02:50:26,840 --> 02:50:28,240
Speaker 1: we just means you to think for yourself. You know,

2755
02:50:28,280 --> 02:50:32,960
Speaker 1: we don't need folks quoting the scripture, quoting some religious

2756
02:50:33,080 --> 02:50:37,280
Speaker 1: or political ideology. You know, just think for yourself and

2757
02:50:37,400 --> 02:50:39,080
Speaker 1: reach out to us. At eight hundred four or five

2758
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Speaker 1: zero seventy eight to seventy six, take your calls starting

2759
02:50:41,959 --> 02:50:43,600
Speaker 1: at six am Eastern Town. I'd like to hear for

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02:50:43,680 --> 02:50:45,760
Speaker 1: some new folks. We will be on at ten ten

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Speaker 1: WLB in Baltimore and then the DMV on fourteen fifty

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Speaker 1: w L. Family. Let's go to Chicago and Brother and

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02:50:51,920 --> 02:50:54,480
Speaker 1: Cocy's waiting first, he's online too, Grand Rising and Cosey.

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Speaker 9: You're on with doctor Fox, Grand Rising and Jumbo du

2765
02:51:00,360 --> 02:51:07,840
Speaker 9: rus Uh. Doctor Fox. I wanted to elaborate on the

2766
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Speaker 9: question of Christianity, but before I do that, I wanted

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Speaker 9: to add something to the conversation. The non black de

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02:51:16,720 --> 02:51:21,560
Speaker 9: Money cop of forty five forty seventh. It is in

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02:51:21,680 --> 02:51:26,840
Speaker 9: support of the policy is trying to be established in Niger,

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02:51:27,480 --> 02:51:31,880
Speaker 9: not just for saving some Christians, which is a false flag,

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02:51:32,040 --> 02:51:39,400
Speaker 9: but for the wealth of wealth and resources all gold,

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02:51:40,200 --> 02:51:44,119
Speaker 9: rare or minerals that are in Niger. Also, it would

2773
02:51:44,120 --> 02:51:49,840
Speaker 9: be a land based catapult into Niger, Mali and Borkino

2774
02:51:50,040 --> 02:51:58,440
Speaker 9: Fossor which just got free from France. The according to

2775
02:51:59,320 --> 02:52:05,040
Speaker 9: Wealth concerning the forty bing that's being sent to Argentina,

2776
02:52:06,680 --> 02:52:10,960
Speaker 9: according to the October sixth issue of the Economists, that

2777
02:52:11,160 --> 02:52:17,640
Speaker 9: money came from the USA. A project through Rubios is

2778
02:52:17,760 --> 02:52:23,160
Speaker 9: being funnel to Argentina. And one fact about this Argentina

2779
02:52:23,280 --> 02:52:28,840
Speaker 9: project that they are constructed that the news media seems inefficient.

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02:52:28,959 --> 02:52:36,279
Speaker 9: Are in Argentina the population is provided with free hospitalization

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02:52:37,320 --> 02:52:42,480
Speaker 9: and social health socialized healthcare. And at the same time

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02:52:42,560 --> 02:52:44,760
Speaker 9: that this what the being is going there. This is

2783
02:52:44,879 --> 02:52:49,440
Speaker 9: how deep the money cause is. They're depriving people here

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02:52:50,200 --> 02:52:56,160
Speaker 9: of Medicaid and of a so called Obamacare. But back

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02:52:56,200 --> 02:53:03,600
Speaker 9: to the point of the Christianity understanding your uh, what

2786
02:53:03,800 --> 02:53:08,280
Speaker 9: you said about Christianity with the same principle applied to

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02:53:09,400 --> 02:53:12,000
Speaker 9: the concept that we use when we pray and we

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02:53:12,480 --> 02:53:14,000
Speaker 9: think of Jesus or God.

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Speaker 8: I'm not sure what you're referring to. You said the

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02:53:19,080 --> 02:53:20,360
Speaker 8: concept what concept?

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02:53:21,840 --> 02:53:27,199
Speaker 9: Okay, the concept that Christianity represents good and each time

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02:53:27,360 --> 02:53:33,400
Speaker 9: we use with ourselves, it reinforces a false image of

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02:53:33,520 --> 02:53:40,400
Speaker 9: goodness with Christianity. Yeah, okay, I got you analyzed competitively

2794
02:53:40,480 --> 02:53:46,280
Speaker 9: analyzed to Jesus or God when we you know, on

2795
02:53:46,480 --> 02:53:47,720
Speaker 9: some of those images.

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02:53:49,760 --> 02:53:52,960
Speaker 8: I do address this in my workbook. I hope you

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02:53:53,400 --> 02:53:56,680
Speaker 8: get it if you don't have it already. There's a

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02:53:56,720 --> 02:54:02,440
Speaker 8: whole section about you know, this uh, this white I'm

2799
02:54:02,480 --> 02:54:07,640
Speaker 8: going to put it my way, this white Jesus and

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02:54:08,040 --> 02:54:11,280
Speaker 8: you know, I once again just strongly encourage you to

2801
02:54:11,440 --> 02:54:17,800
Speaker 8: get the book, but I do address that. I'm trying

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02:54:17,920 --> 02:54:25,440
Speaker 8: to turn to the page where I addressed that directly.

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02:54:27,000 --> 02:54:32,160
Speaker 8: But yeah, it's it's really detrimental to our health, our

2804
02:54:32,280 --> 02:54:37,920
Speaker 8: mental health, and obviously our social health to consider uh

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02:54:38,920 --> 02:54:44,920
Speaker 8: the most important being in our lives. Uh, that being

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02:54:45,040 --> 02:54:48,960
Speaker 8: God and and you know, Jesus christ is is is

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02:54:49,040 --> 02:54:57,320
Speaker 8: the most in the Christian religion to be considered the God, uh,

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02:54:57,680 --> 02:54:59,520
Speaker 8: the you know, the father of the Son, the whole

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02:54:59,600 --> 02:55:05,480
Speaker 8: we go that trinity but to have pictures in your

2810
02:55:05,600 --> 02:55:13,480
Speaker 8: mind of that entity being a white boy is very

2811
02:55:13,600 --> 02:55:20,080
Speaker 8: detrimental to our mental and social and political well being.

2812
02:55:21,480 --> 02:55:25,440
Speaker 8: I mentioned this on page ninety in the workbook. And

2813
02:55:25,480 --> 02:55:31,560
Speaker 8: when I tell folk to remove all pictures and as

2814
02:55:31,680 --> 02:55:38,200
Speaker 8: the Christian Scripture refers to them, graven images of your

2815
02:55:38,320 --> 02:55:43,520
Speaker 8: Supreme Being from your surroundings and in your minds, I

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02:55:44,200 --> 02:55:50,920
Speaker 8: avoid images of a European looking supreme Being. And I

2817
02:55:51,040 --> 02:55:56,400
Speaker 8: give the example. Well, first of all, these false and

2818
02:55:56,680 --> 02:56:03,600
Speaker 8: forbidden spectacles reinforce powerfully the notion that black isn't good

2819
02:56:03,760 --> 02:56:09,000
Speaker 8: enough to portray celestial beings, or even worse, that being

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02:56:09,120 --> 02:56:14,320
Speaker 8: black is the opposite of being divine, good or praiseworthy.

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02:56:15,000 --> 02:56:20,560
Speaker 8: If the most important entity in an African life is God,

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02:56:21,160 --> 02:56:26,000
Speaker 8: and the image of God is a Caucasian, then it

2823
02:56:26,160 --> 02:56:31,840
Speaker 8: is no wonder that white values have a stranglehold on

2824
02:56:32,280 --> 02:56:36,560
Speaker 8: the African mind. So I mean, that's it in a nutshell.

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02:56:36,920 --> 02:56:42,760
Speaker 8: In your own scripture forbids these kinds of of of

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02:56:43,000 --> 02:56:46,959
Speaker 8: graven as it calls it, graven images. So you're you're,

2827
02:56:47,160 --> 02:56:50,440
Speaker 8: you're so addicted to white that you're going to get

2828
02:56:50,920 --> 02:56:54,920
Speaker 8: your own own scripture, your own Christian scripture, that tells

2829
02:56:55,040 --> 02:57:01,400
Speaker 8: you not to form images of of lest to things

2830
02:57:01,440 --> 02:57:05,560
Speaker 8: above or below. So there are no red tailed devils

2831
02:57:06,000 --> 02:57:12,320
Speaker 8: and no white angels or or gods. But what you're

2832
02:57:12,360 --> 02:57:15,720
Speaker 8: really demonstrating by that is that your true God is

2833
02:57:15,879 --> 02:57:19,800
Speaker 8: not God. And I think think if if people who

2834
02:57:19,920 --> 02:57:24,480
Speaker 8: are spiritual may consider this that part of what the

2835
02:57:26,200 --> 02:57:31,000
Speaker 8: what we're going through is really the wrath of God.

2836
02:57:31,640 --> 02:57:38,640
Speaker 8: Excuse me of God for putting for for idolatry, for

2837
02:57:38,800 --> 02:57:44,520
Speaker 8: having some other God than God, than God him or herself.

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02:57:45,959 --> 02:57:46,080
Speaker 5: Uh.

2839
02:57:46,400 --> 02:57:53,920
Speaker 8: And we're committing that every time that we uh have

2840
02:57:54,120 --> 02:57:58,440
Speaker 8: these forbidden images in our home or or in our

2841
02:57:58,600 --> 02:58:03,720
Speaker 8: mind of God being a person anyhow, it's God is

2842
02:58:03,760 --> 02:58:09,720
Speaker 8: a spirit. But we insist that God is this white boy.

2843
02:58:09,920 --> 02:58:16,240
Speaker 8: I'm really indicating that we worship white more than uh

2844
02:58:16,400 --> 02:58:21,440
Speaker 8: uh than we worship God despite what we say.

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02:58:22,840 --> 02:58:26,880
Speaker 1: Turn away from the top. Thank you, brother and Cosey

2846
02:58:26,959 --> 02:58:31,320
Speaker 1: call in Chicago. Let's go to Alexandra Virginia. Alex is

2847
02:58:31,360 --> 02:58:34,400
Speaker 1: waiting for us, Alex Uh, he wants a comment as

2848
02:58:34,400 --> 02:58:37,440
Speaker 1: a black Maga grand rising Alex. Your comment for doctor

2849
02:58:37,520 --> 02:58:44,640
Speaker 1: Fox Alex is gone. Oh oh, she got scared. Eight

2850
02:58:44,720 --> 02:58:47,240
Speaker 1: hundred and four or five zeros put out a challenge.

2851
02:58:47,280 --> 02:58:49,280
Speaker 1: He Doctor Fox by the way, he's a black MAGA,

2852
02:58:49,480 --> 02:58:51,800
Speaker 1: so put out a challenge for black magas that you know,

2853
02:58:51,840 --> 02:58:55,440
Speaker 1: because they're calling tomorrow and starts. It's it's viewing all

2854
02:58:55,480 --> 02:58:58,920
Speaker 1: the stuff that you know they hear on the MAGA stations,

2855
02:58:58,959 --> 02:59:01,840
Speaker 1: and I think we're stupid. But I called him. I

2856
02:59:01,959 --> 02:59:03,560
Speaker 1: challenge him, and he called it, but he hung up.

2857
02:59:03,959 --> 02:59:06,200
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Robert in Baltimore City has

2858
02:59:06,280 --> 02:59:08,280
Speaker 1: a question for these online fine brand rise and Robert

2859
02:59:08,320 --> 02:59:09,560
Speaker 1: then with doctor Fox.

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02:59:10,040 --> 02:59:15,080
Speaker 15: Brand rising everyone. My question is and they and on

2861
02:59:15,280 --> 02:59:19,720
Speaker 15: this program from day one, I was listening to this

2862
02:59:19,840 --> 02:59:23,440
Speaker 15: program and making some comments every now and then, But

2863
02:59:24,120 --> 02:59:29,080
Speaker 15: I would like to know, do you actually think that

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02:59:30,520 --> 02:59:34,920
Speaker 15: they would actually give us reparations period? They have given

2865
02:59:35,080 --> 02:59:41,960
Speaker 15: everyone else, Uh they do so now with us, they

2866
02:59:42,200 --> 02:59:45,320
Speaker 15: just you know, turn it back on us and they like,

2867
02:59:45,959 --> 02:59:48,920
Speaker 15: you know, forget them ends, you know. And that's the

2868
02:59:49,000 --> 02:59:49,760
Speaker 15: way I look at it.

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02:59:49,879 --> 02:59:53,680
Speaker 5: And they're not going to never give us anything, you know.

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02:59:53,720 --> 02:59:57,800
Speaker 8: Well, that's why we have to organize and get it,

2871
02:59:58,480 --> 03:00:04,400
Speaker 8: because we can't do this individually. One of the white

2872
03:00:04,560 --> 03:00:11,320
Speaker 8: values is that individualism is better than collectivism. Now, of course,

2873
03:00:11,760 --> 03:00:18,920
Speaker 8: for everybody else except themselves. But we can't accomplish our

2874
03:00:19,600 --> 03:00:28,760
Speaker 8: uh permanent liberation without each other and with that being organized.

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03:00:29,520 --> 03:00:34,720
Speaker 8: Uh with about having a systematic organized.

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03:00:35,800 --> 03:00:36,359
Speaker 11: Pushback.

2877
03:00:38,240 --> 03:00:41,480
Speaker 8: Uh, just through demanding here a lot of people I

2878
03:00:42,040 --> 03:00:44,080
Speaker 8: get up on podiums, a lot of our so called

2879
03:00:44,080 --> 03:00:47,440
Speaker 8: black leaders, will we demand this, that and the other.

2880
03:00:47,800 --> 03:00:48,840
Speaker 8: It's a waste of breath.

2881
03:00:49,400 --> 03:00:49,520
Speaker 11: Uh.

2882
03:00:49,879 --> 03:00:54,960
Speaker 8: They have no interest in giving us what they have

2883
03:00:55,120 --> 03:01:01,120
Speaker 8: stolen from us over the centuries. We will have to

2884
03:01:01,320 --> 03:01:02,560
Speaker 8: take it. We will have to.

2885
03:01:04,080 --> 03:01:04,879
Speaker 5: Literally take it.

2886
03:01:07,160 --> 03:01:09,920
Speaker 1: Right there. So we're racing the clock. And I want

2887
03:01:09,959 --> 03:01:13,320
Speaker 1: you to identify the five white core values that many

2888
03:01:13,360 --> 03:01:14,440
Speaker 1: of our people are addicted to.

2889
03:01:14,920 --> 03:01:21,959
Speaker 8: Okay, go ahead, Oh you're not going to a commercial okay,

2890
03:01:22,000 --> 03:01:24,760
Speaker 8: all right? Yeah, well then let me just conclude that

2891
03:01:25,720 --> 03:01:29,360
Speaker 8: we have to prepare ourselves to take it, but we

2892
03:01:29,480 --> 03:01:34,440
Speaker 8: can't do the in the with the present condition of

2893
03:01:34,600 --> 03:01:38,400
Speaker 8: our minds being so addicted to white All right, there

2894
03:01:38,440 --> 03:01:45,560
Speaker 8: are five white values that I a uh enumerate in

2895
03:01:45,840 --> 03:01:50,280
Speaker 8: this workbook, which once again is the design to get

2896
03:01:50,320 --> 03:01:54,199
Speaker 8: at our minds in the shape whereby we can organize

2897
03:01:54,800 --> 03:01:59,840
Speaker 8: and mount a a an effective defense against our enemies.

2898
03:02:01,160 --> 03:02:06,240
Speaker 8: Those five white values are listed on believe around page eleven,

2899
03:02:07,080 --> 03:02:13,080
Speaker 8: the first one being that basically everything good is white

2900
03:02:13,120 --> 03:02:15,600
Speaker 8: and everything on black is bad.

2901
03:02:16,280 --> 03:02:16,360
Speaker 3: Uh.

2902
03:02:17,360 --> 03:02:21,280
Speaker 8: The second one being that money and the things that

2903
03:02:21,520 --> 03:02:27,400
Speaker 8: money can buy is better than relationships, and then therefore

2904
03:02:27,520 --> 03:02:36,160
Speaker 8: we should pursue those things of building relationships with each other.

2905
03:02:37,720 --> 03:02:41,840
Speaker 8: The third being white oppressors are trustworthy recorders and interpreters

2906
03:02:42,160 --> 03:02:46,000
Speaker 8: of history and reality. That's why we believe their history

2907
03:02:46,040 --> 03:02:53,160
Speaker 8: books and whatever whatever they say, uh, when we should

2908
03:02:53,200 --> 03:03:00,560
Speaker 8: really be questioning every aything about their worldview. The fourth

2909
03:03:01,040 --> 03:03:05,119
Speaker 8: white value being individualism, which I mentioned earlier is better

2910
03:03:05,240 --> 03:03:06,199
Speaker 8: than collectivism.

2911
03:03:06,800 --> 03:03:06,920
Speaker 11: Uh.

2912
03:03:07,480 --> 03:03:11,920
Speaker 8: And then and the final one being that the best

2913
03:03:12,000 --> 03:03:17,040
Speaker 8: way you can uh uh uh feel good about yourself

2914
03:03:17,959 --> 03:03:22,880
Speaker 8: is by surpassing, out, doing, and defeating someone else in

2915
03:03:22,959 --> 03:03:28,280
Speaker 8: an activity, achievement, or personal characteristic. In other words, it

2916
03:03:28,400 --> 03:03:32,640
Speaker 8: makes me feel good to say to myself, I am

2917
03:03:32,720 --> 03:03:36,280
Speaker 8: smarter than you, I'm better than you, I'm prettier than you,

2918
03:03:37,000 --> 03:03:42,480
Speaker 8: et cetera, I'm even blacker than thou. Everybody gets caught

2919
03:03:42,560 --> 03:03:50,640
Speaker 8: up into this white competitive insanity where when when we

2920
03:03:51,160 --> 03:03:57,560
Speaker 8: we when we should should really be emphasizing our commonality

2921
03:03:58,320 --> 03:04:02,200
Speaker 8: and trying to cooperate, rate and unite with each other

2922
03:04:02,720 --> 03:04:06,840
Speaker 8: as opposed to compete with each other to stand out,

2923
03:04:07,520 --> 03:04:14,440
Speaker 8: uh for some individual accolade or or gift from our

2924
03:04:14,720 --> 03:04:18,120
Speaker 8: white oppressors. So those are the five white values.

2925
03:04:19,160 --> 03:04:21,760
Speaker 1: And this is not said just for black folktions for

2926
03:04:21,879 --> 03:04:23,480
Speaker 1: other non white people as well.

2927
03:04:23,600 --> 03:04:26,920
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, these are white. These are values created by

2928
03:04:26,959 --> 03:04:32,320
Speaker 8: white folk that they basically uh subscribe to themselves, except

2929
03:04:32,360 --> 03:04:37,280
Speaker 8: when it comes to us. They compete against each other

2930
03:04:38,440 --> 03:04:43,440
Speaker 8: irrationally as well, except when it comes to us they

2931
03:04:43,520 --> 03:04:48,360
Speaker 8: can seemingly unite and to oppress uh the the the other.

2932
03:04:49,240 --> 03:04:49,360
Speaker 10: Uh.

2933
03:04:49,760 --> 03:04:53,720
Speaker 8: But other than that, they created these uh Uh. This

2934
03:04:54,520 --> 03:04:58,760
Speaker 8: the worldview that these values support. So of course, yeah,

2935
03:04:59,200 --> 03:05:02,360
Speaker 8: they're equally affected by them, all right.

2936
03:05:02,280 --> 03:05:04,360
Speaker 1: And the antidote is your book. Tell us give us

2937
03:05:04,440 --> 03:05:05,920
Speaker 1: the title of the book again, and how can we

2938
03:05:05,959 --> 03:05:06,520
Speaker 1: get copies?

2939
03:05:07,040 --> 03:05:09,160
Speaker 8: The title of the book is addicted to White the

2940
03:05:09,240 --> 03:05:12,600
Speaker 8: Oppressed in league with the oppressor, a shame based alliance.

2941
03:05:13,040 --> 03:05:19,840
Speaker 8: And it is a serious workbook for Africas who wish

2942
03:05:19,959 --> 03:05:25,039
Speaker 8: to overcome this addiction. It's available on Amazon dot com,

2943
03:05:25,160 --> 03:05:27,400
Speaker 8: so and everybody can go there and get it. If

2944
03:05:27,440 --> 03:05:31,160
Speaker 8: you're in Baltimore, you can get it at the African

2945
03:05:31,280 --> 03:05:39,080
Speaker 8: World Books store on twenty two to seventeen Pennsylvania Avenue.

2946
03:05:40,200 --> 03:05:42,360
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, doctor Fox. Thank you for all

2947
03:05:42,400 --> 03:05:44,000
Speaker 1: the information you shared with us this morning.

2948
03:05:44,520 --> 03:05:44,800
Speaker 8: Thank you.

2949
03:05:45,760 --> 03:05:48,200
Speaker 1: All right, family, that's it for the day. Classes dismissed.

2950
03:05:48,240 --> 03:05:51,840
Speaker 1: Stay strong, stay positive, please stay healthy. We'll here tomorrow morning,

2951
03:05:51,879 --> 03:05:55,280
Speaker 1: six o'clock right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB,

2952
03:05:55,640 --> 03:05:59,160
Speaker 1: and also in the DMV on fourteen fifty WOL