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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Best of the Fan morning show

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Speaker 1: on ninety three five and one oh seven five the Fan.

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Speaker 1: There's the placement and the kick clears the line heading

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Speaker 1: down field for the upright sen It is good. A

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Speaker 1: two by two formation for Rivers. Looking over that defense

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Speaker 1: full on the plate line, takes a step three step drop,

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Speaker 1: looking rolls.

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Speaker 2: Inside the five. Touchdown for the Colts, and it's just

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Speaker 2: downs across the goal line.

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Speaker 1: Jason Myers has been heavily used today. This is his

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Speaker 1: fourth attempts. A thirty two yard field goal. Kick is

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Speaker 1: up and headed for the uprights, and it's good. The

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Speaker 1: Colts trail by two, and Blake Groupie is on for

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Speaker 1: a sixty yard field goal, this one from sixty as

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Speaker 1: Rigaberto Sanchez is prepared.

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Speaker 3: Let's see if.

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Speaker 1: Young mister Groupie in his third year can knock down a.

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Speaker 4: Huge field goal.

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Speaker 1: Stamp placement kick on the way headed down field for

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Speaker 1: the upright spits go.

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Speaker 3: Whoa, it's good from.

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Speaker 1: Sixty, Blake Croophy, so this is gonna be a fifty

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Speaker 1: six yard field goal. Myers step gets into it, sends

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Speaker 1: it downfield header pretty upright said it's good as.

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Speaker 5: The game just got going.

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Speaker 6: I was just thankful, grateful that I was out there,

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Speaker 6: and it was a blast. It was a blast. But

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Speaker 6: obviously the motion is now are disappointment disappointment? You know,

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Speaker 6: I'm this isn't about me, you know. We were got

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Speaker 6: a team that was scrapping like crazy, just trying to

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Speaker 6: stay alive and get in the postseason. So obviously we're

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Speaker 6: all disappointed. Came up just short and it's two minute drive.

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Speaker 6: They they hit the plays. They hit plays there at

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Speaker 6: the end.

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Speaker 5: Of to get him in field goal range, and that

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Speaker 5: was about a line.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 6: We had some ural zone, we had some blitzes up,

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Speaker 5: Yards to get into range, and they got it done.

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Speaker 6: Obviously, it's disappointing anytime you lose, but we're guaranteed three

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Speaker 6: left and had a chance to win one to day.

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Speaker 6: But now we got another opportunity to go do it

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Speaker 6: again on Monday night against San Francisco, and we're excited

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Speaker 6: for that challenge on.

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Speaker 3: The road to the Seattle Seahawks. With Philip Rivers under center.

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Speaker 3: Gave us team a chance to win. But I don't

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Speaker 3: know how much more I want to see of that.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Kevin Bowen. And we've got our third member

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Speaker 3: of the booth on the road, traveling back from the

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Speaker 3: game this morning, James Boyd. Nice job there on the

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Speaker 3: open there, Mark Dyton. But so many places we can

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Speaker 3: go with this. I'm going to let you start, Kevin Bowen,

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Speaker 3: what do you make of what happened yesterday?

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Speaker 8: Well, when you've won one games in to Halloween, it's

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Speaker 8: hard to celebrate moral victories. That's kind of where I'm

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Speaker 8: at on this Monday morning. It's almost like you're evaluating

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Speaker 8: a forty four year old dude off the couch who

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Speaker 8: hasn't played in five years. And my brief thoughts are

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Speaker 8: very commendable, hat tip, you know, movie, all that stuff,

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Speaker 8: And then if you're evaluating the NFL game itself, you're saying, wait,

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Speaker 8: is that offense sustainable?

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Speaker 3: Is that there?

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Speaker 8: Are you telling me Riley Londer couldn't do that? Is

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Speaker 8: that really? The limitations on where the cults are at

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Speaker 8: right now? And again, it's just hard to sit here

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Speaker 8: and say, Man, wasn't that Rivers thing cool? And boy

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Speaker 8: that was wild and it was almost one of the

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Speaker 8: biggest upsets the NFL has seen all year. All that

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Speaker 8: is true, But you're reeling, and this ship is sinking fast,

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Speaker 8: and you lost five or six, and you look at

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Speaker 8: your playoff hopes and it's fading in a hurry here.

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Speaker 8: And I don't know, maybe we're just kind of numb

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Speaker 8: to these late season collapses. Maybe we're used to it,

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Speaker 8: so you kind of gravitate towards wanting to celebrate Rivers

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Speaker 8: and everything that he is attempting to do. But it's

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Speaker 8: just hard for me to sit here on this Monday

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Speaker 8: morning and do that because right now you're a team that,

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Speaker 8: it around in a hurry with an offense that looks

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Speaker 8: like it's built in the nineteen seventies to try and

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Speaker 8: win two of these final three games.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look all the things that you said. Unbelievable story

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Speaker 3: for Philip r to be able to just walk on

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Speaker 3: there's no question about that. He makes good decisions. He

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Speaker 3: doesn't turn the ball over. But Kevin, here's the thing

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Speaker 3: you can't run from. And I meant that to be

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Speaker 3: a little bit of a punt. Here's the thing that

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Speaker 3: he can't run from that we can't run from. He

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Speaker 3: can't throw the ball downfield, can't throw the ball more

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Speaker 3: are a couple of times where he made good decisions

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Speaker 3: and he throws a ball to a little bit of

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Speaker 3: literally as the balls in the air, saying get there,

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Speaker 3: get there, get there before the defensive back does. There

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Speaker 3: are a couple of plays I thought he we had

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Speaker 3: the Tyler Warren open on a few of those type things,

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Speaker 3: and the defensive back head just enough time. Because the

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Speaker 3: margins are so slim. You know that better than anybody, Kevin.

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Speaker 3: The margins are so slim between if the ball gets

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Speaker 3: there now, if the ball gets there now, it's that thin.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes he can't throw the football. I love the story.

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Speaker 3: I love the guy I love what happened. I love

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Speaker 3: that he almost pulled it off, but he can't. You

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Speaker 3: cannot win in the NFL with what we saw yesterday.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and I said, you guys late late last week,

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Speaker 8: I would start Ryley Leonard. That's the route that I

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Speaker 8: was looking towards, especially when he practiced fully Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.

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Speaker 8: I think I asked both you and James on Friday,

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Speaker 8: we're going to see from Philip Rivers, Because it's just,

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Speaker 8: you know, Alec Peerce is arguably your most consistent offensive weapon,

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Speaker 8: certainly your most unique offensive weapon. One target in every

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Speaker 8: single snap on the field yesterday sixty great catch too

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Speaker 8: for Alec Pierce, and so you are just totally neutering him. Basically,

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Speaker 8: the blueprint is you try to run on first down,

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Speaker 8: pray you get to third and four, and then, like

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Speaker 8: Colts defense, there is so much that they deserve credit

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Speaker 8: for yesterday, playing without three of their notable defenders, if

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Speaker 8: on the line, did anyone have confidence they'd get that

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Speaker 3: You kind of knew what was gonna happen.

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Speaker 8: And again Seattle had no timeouts and they didn't even

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Speaker 8: need what they barely needed half of the forty seven

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Speaker 8: I mean, you were down a slew of notable guys,

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Speaker 8: twelve most important players. But in mid December, when you've

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Speaker 8: lost now five of six again, you've won one game

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Speaker 8: since Halloween, you just can't sit here on Monday morning

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Speaker 8: and say, here's a bunch of rose pedals for the effort.

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Speaker 8: It's just not the reality for the twenty twenty five season.

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Speaker 8: And when this ship is looking like it's trending in

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Speaker 8: the direction of maybe the biggest collapse we've seen in

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Speaker 8: me on this Monday morning to sit here and you know,

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Speaker 8: play the whole Boy, did you hear Philip Rivers postgame

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Speaker 8: comments and all that. It's like, I don't know, I

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Speaker 8: just it's really difficult for me to go there, Jeff.

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Speaker 8: And again I would have started Riley Leonard and I

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Speaker 8: would continue to start Leonard because I think not only

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Speaker 8: neutering Jonathan Taylor. Jonathan Taylor was looked like Army and

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Speaker 8: Navy running it yesterday of just.

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Speaker 3: Three yards of a cloud of dust. Literally, let's go.

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Speaker 8: And you know, if you had a little bit more

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Speaker 8: maybe that opens up another number in the box. And

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Speaker 8: I get it. You know, Leonard would probably have a

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Speaker 8: and not have an NFL offense in the year of

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Speaker 8: you know, eight yards long.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Again, I can't emphasize enough how amazing it was

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Speaker 3: to watch Philip Rivers do what he did. He didn't

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Speaker 3: The biggest problem he had is zero mobility and no arm.

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Speaker 3: But he knew, I mean you could tell he knew

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Speaker 3: He was probably checking out of plays and getting into

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Speaker 3: other plays, all those kinds of things. But here's the

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Speaker 3: one statistic that you cannot hide from. Did you think

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Speaker 3: did you think Sam Donald was particularly great yesterday? Kevin?

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Speaker 8: Uh no, he was.

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Speaker 3: He was okay, Yeah, right, he was okay, and for

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Speaker 3: what and seventy one yards?

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Speaker 8: But here here's the stat some notable drops too.

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Speaker 3: Here's the stat he averaged in his very average pedestrian day,

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Speaker 3: seven and a half yards per attempt. Do you know

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Speaker 3: what Philip Rivers average per attempt yesterday?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Four point four point four.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that is just put You cannot win.

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Speaker 3: In the National Football League throwing four point four yards

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Speaker 8: You had to add some context around that. It is

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Speaker 8: easily the worst of the season. It would easily be

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Speaker 8: the worst of Philip Rivers's twenty twenty season as an offense.

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Speaker 8: They averaged three point seven yards per play. Again, just

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Speaker 8: to throw a context around it, that is a awful number.

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Speaker 8: Do you want to give a shout out to Blake

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Speaker 8: Groupie that kick from sixty yards the Matt Taylor motion

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Speaker 8: well worth it on that kick just unbelievable. The Colts

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Speaker 8: have certainly been struck by groupies. Swagger in his brief

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Speaker 8: period with the Colts. I think the whole NFL world

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Speaker 8: got a glimpse of it yesterday in what he was

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Speaker 8: able to do there and defensively, you know, early on

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Speaker 8: you helped set the tone, You helped create the multi score,

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Speaker 8: And then the second half, I think it just caught

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Speaker 8: Are you watching Disney Plus or are you watching ESPN?

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Speaker 3: Just taking another look at the Philip Rivers avatar in

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Speaker 4: Six James A put some junk in that truck for that.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, Becky, look at perfect. That's a big

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Speaker 3: Man, how would you look at that? You're looking at

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Speaker 4: Jeez, look at the butt on that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he must work out.

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Speaker 3: I mean you mentioned it as Tim Allen was to

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Speaker 2: Does this look like a.

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Speaker 2: I've gant forty five pounds a week.

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Speaker 3: It's not like he's rolling out like a Homer Simpson hotbelly, though,

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Speaker 4: Yes, there are canceled My wife.

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Speaker 4: And lifted shirt off. I'm just saying you were in

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Speaker 3: How much bigger than he lived last?

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Speaker 4: He certainly put on some weight. Damn boy, Damn boy,

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Speaker 3: I just find it. I find it amusing to see

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Speaker 4: You know that you're really sick, not sick that you

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Speaker 9: Well.

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Speaker 3: He was able to get him sixteen points and put

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Speaker 3: the thing I will say about Philip Rivers. He wasn't

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Speaker 3: to win yesterday. Is that the nicest thing you can

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Speaker 8: Are we just ignoring Mark's re entry there?

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Speaker 3: No, I was saying it because it makes me sound

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Speaker 4: It's one of the few things that works today, so

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Speaker 8: I think it was ethic. I think it was like

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Speaker 4: I know it was glorious. I wanted James to hear that,

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 8: I'm sure you know a three five am alarm for

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Speaker 4: Good morning.

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Speaker 3: I believe it was junk in the trunk was the line?

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Speaker 3: Good morning, James Boyd, how's shadow this morning?

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Speaker 9: It's dark? Getting ready to leave the hotel? Flight got

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Speaker 3: Ah. So what was your big takeaway of the Philip

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Speaker 9: I think how much it hurt him after the game,

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Speaker 9: There was the gratitude to be back out there, oldest

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Speaker 9: So you could tell that how quickly he switched from being,

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Speaker 8: James, I don't get any vibe that it will be

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Speaker 4: No, not at all.

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Speaker 9: And Kevin, you know me well enough. Had there been

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Speaker 4: I thought they were just too soft.

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Speaker 9: I'm not sure how Bernard Ryman will fair going forward.

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Speaker 9: You can criticize the performance and not score on more points,

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Speaker 9: So perhaps that's more of what may be about opening

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I said, how do you not like Philip Rivers?

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Speaker 9: That's a good point. But at the same time, I

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Speaker 9: go back to the throw on their penultimate drive, the

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Speaker 9: one that put him ahead, where he throws it back

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Speaker 9: shoulder to Alec Pierce. Before it pierce, he would turn around.

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Speaker 9: Is that a throw Rdy Lennard is gonna make in

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Speaker 9: that moment? I'm not so sure about that. So to me,

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Speaker 9: it's not necessarily about the arm strength. That's a big

446
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Speaker 9: part of it. It's you know, can you make a

447
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Speaker 9: few throws down the field just to give him a chance?

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Speaker 9: And again, like I said, he connect on a couple

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Speaker 9: more yesterday's game, and perhaps we're sitting here today talking

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Speaker 9: about you know, a Hollywood ending.

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Speaker 3: James, travel safe, Thanks for checking in as always, and

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Speaker 3: we'll talk to you soon. Okay.

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Speaker 9: Yes, I'm glad to get back when Eastern times, specific times,

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Speaker 9: all stuff is crazy.

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Speaker 3: All right, buddy, Tamar James. There you go. James Boyd,

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Speaker 3: third member of our booth on the road with the

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Speaker 3: Indianapolis Colts. They lose yesterday eighteen sixteen, a game that

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Speaker 3: featured nine field goals in one touchdown.

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Speaker 8: Kevin, how about those two kickers yesterday?

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Speaker 3: They were getting it done. They were getting done. I

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Speaker 3: kept I'm almost hoping between the distance and how many

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Speaker 3: field goals he'd had. Wasn't part of you like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: this is the one where he drifts off just a

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Speaker 3: little bit to the right.

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Speaker 8: Boy, he's got that patented cut right. Wouldn't we all

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Speaker 8: love to have that ball fled on the golf course?

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Speaker 8: There are just a little three yard cut every time

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Speaker 8: there from Jason Myers. Boy, I you know last week

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Speaker 8: when we got into this debate. As the week moved along,

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Speaker 8: you know, I think I said to you guys quite often,

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Speaker 8: we're probably splitting hairs and describing the differences of these

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Speaker 8: quarterbacks that potentially could go out there, and really, I

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Speaker 8: guess it boiled down to Rivers or Riley Leonard. Again,

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Speaker 8: I still would have rather seen Riley Leonard particularly healthy.

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Speaker 8: And this is coming from a guy that I think

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Speaker 8: our audience knows this. I've never been the biggest Riley

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Speaker 8: Leonard guy, Jeff. You saw my reaction.

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Speaker 3: You're another game guy, and you weren't a big Riley

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Speaker 3: Leonard guy after.

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Speaker 8: He was drafted. But I think the threat of him

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Speaker 8: running the football, I think the threat of him trying

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Speaker 8: to throw the ball down the field would offer a

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Speaker 8: little bit more for this offense. And I do think

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Speaker 8: that would give you, I guess, just a little bit

485
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Speaker 8: of a higher ceiling. And whereas the defense just doesn't

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Speaker 8: have to sit there, you know, within what eight yards

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Speaker 8: of line of scrimmage and play the game that way,

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Speaker 8: which is what they do with Rivers, because I think

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Speaker 8: not only does it largely eliminate Alec Pearce from the

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Speaker 8: game plan, Jeff, I think it really stemys your run game.

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Speaker 8: I mean, what what was Jonathan Taylor's long run yesterday?

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Speaker 8: I mean, the guy had a million carries yesterday you

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Speaker 8: had who plays over fifteen yards all game?

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Speaker 3: Eleven yards was his longest run.

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Speaker 8: And how many carries they have he had twenty five.

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Speaker 8: I mean two plays were fifteen yards all game.

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Speaker 3: There were a couple of couple three Jonathan Taylor Patton

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Speaker 3: did play though it looks like he stopped for nothing

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Speaker 3: and he wiggles forward for four or five yards like I.

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Speaker 8: Don't care what you want to measure, yards per attempts

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Speaker 8: from rivers as a thrower or yards per play as

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Speaker 8: an offense as a whole. I mean, those numbers are

503
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Speaker 8: absolutely horrific, however you slice it. I mean, those are

504
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Speaker 8: just horrific, horrific numbers offensively here. So again, maybe we

505
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Speaker 8: are splitting hairs. Maybe with Leonard you would have had

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Speaker 8: whatever two three turnovers and at the end of the

507
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Speaker 8: day the final score wouldn't have looked much different from

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Speaker 8: a point total standpoint. But I just think with this

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Speaker 8: archaic of an offense, you need so much to be perfect.

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Speaker 8: And think about it, they almost got perfect everywhere. You know,

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Speaker 8: Blake Groupie kicked the life out of it.

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Speaker 3: He was terrific.

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Speaker 8: Your defense until that final drive gave you everything. You

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Speaker 8: would have probably wanted in that game, and yet it's

515
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Speaker 8: still wasn't enough to get it done. So again I

516
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Speaker 8: asked James the question, but I don't get any I

517
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Speaker 8: fully expect Philip Rivers to be the starter next next month.

518
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Speaker 8: I think Shane Stykeen is all in on this, And

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Speaker 8: I asked this in all seriousness, where are the improvements.

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Speaker 8: It's not like there's gonna be even I guess Josh

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Speaker 8: Downs maybe gets his head around a little quicker on

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Speaker 8: that throw, but like his arm isn't going to grow

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Speaker 8: an arm strength in the next week. It's not like

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Speaker 8: you were saying, oh, he only knew X amount of

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Speaker 8: the playbook. No, I mean Philip Rivers, by all accounts,

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Speaker 8: you brought him in because he has a mastery of

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Speaker 8: the playbook. So it's not like you're going to necessarily,

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Speaker 8: you know, implement a little bit more into the passing

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Speaker 8: tree that you had, because I just think there's a

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Speaker 8: clear limitation. Anytime that ball's in the air, you got

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Speaker 8: to pray the rosary that it gets there on time.

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Speaker 3: And look, I want to make this clear too. There

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Speaker 3: were a lot of fun things to watch about Philip Rivers.

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Speaker 3: He's he's out on the field. He clearly is in

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Speaker 3: command of that a offense. That's one thing I did

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Speaker 3: take away. He knows what's going on, he knows what

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Speaker 3: the defense is doing. I think we all kind of

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Speaker 3: figured it would be Philip Rivers esque in that way,

539
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Speaker 3: and it was. He delivered that. He never looked, never

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Speaker 3: looked to like the moment was too big for him.

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Speaker 3: It never looked like, oh my gosh, this guy hasn't

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Speaker 3: played a down of football in five years. The only

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Speaker 3: thing I see.

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Speaker 8: Did you see the sack? Well that I thought the

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Speaker 8: sack was one of the sadder things I've ever seen.

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Speaker 3: Did you see the last year of Philip Rivers? Sometimes?

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Speaker 3: But my point being is physically, the mental acumen is

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Speaker 3: still there. He wasn't bothered being in that in that pocket.

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Speaker 3: You didn't see him getting happy, feed or anything like that.

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Speaker 3: He couldn't move, but you didn't see him like getting

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Speaker 3: jittery or nervous or anything like that. He was in

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Speaker 3: command of the offense. He knew what he was doing.

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Speaker 3: He can't throw the football. I don't know how you

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Speaker 3: can win in the NFL if you can't throw the football.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you're preaching of the choir, Jeff like look, the

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Speaker 8: Philip Rivers thing. It is inspiring, It's wild. It's the

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Speaker 8: talk of the town. The TD celebration look like, you know,

558
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Speaker 8: a little turkey trot game here in Indie and you're whatever.

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Speaker 8: Your uncle's slinging around the yard and he's talking trash

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Speaker 8: to you.

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Speaker 9: Uh.

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Speaker 8: The clip of him pregame going through the call sheet

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Speaker 8: on the field, the viral moment mark we should probably

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Speaker 8: pull that audio at some point. The viral you know,

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Speaker 8: comments after the game and describing the inspiration towards his

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Speaker 8: high school team. You know, CBS has showing his son

567
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Speaker 8: and his brother and the crab, how about the team

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Speaker 8: in the room.

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Speaker 3: That was awesome. That was cool.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was pretty cool.

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Speaker 8: Again, are we watching Disney Plus? Are we watching an

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Speaker 8: NFL game? Is this like a cool blue episode? Or

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Speaker 8: is this like a wait a minute, are we just

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Speaker 8: simply sweeping under the rug the culture in the midst

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Speaker 8: of the biggest collapse the NFL is seen in over

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Speaker 8: a decade, Because like, that's where I struggle on this

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Speaker 8: Monday morning of the big picture of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 8: Reality of the Cult season is they've won one game

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Speaker 8: since Halloween. They are trending towards not winning the division

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Speaker 8: for an eleventh straight year, missing the pl I also

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Speaker 8: heart a fifth straight year, and again the biggest claps

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Speaker 8: the NFL scene in over a decade. It's hard for

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Speaker 8: me to sit here and like, man, that Rivers thing, Boy,

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Speaker 8: that was incredible, that was all inspiring, all of that.

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Speaker 8: It's like they've lost five of six and right now

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Speaker 8: this is looking like a disastrous end to a season

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Speaker 8: that it would have been ludicrous a month and a

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Speaker 8: half ago if you would have said, hey, the Colts

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Speaker 8: aren't going to make the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And here's the crazy part. How different is this

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Speaker 3: conversation If the Seahawks don't get into field goal position

592
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Speaker 3: and Jason Myers doesn't get that sixth field goal and

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Speaker 3: the Colts win at sixteen to fifteen, all.

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Speaker 8: The things that group we didn't make a sixty yard

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Speaker 8: er before. That's so let's not act like, you know,

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Speaker 8: the Colts didn't have a little bit.

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Speaker 3: But my here's my point side of it. All the

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Speaker 3: things we say are all still true. If the Colts

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Speaker 3: win that game sixteen to fifteen.

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Speaker 8: Correct, well, you would be in a much better playoffs

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Speaker 8: situation right now.

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Speaker 3: You need wins here's my point. Here's my point. When

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Speaker 3: it comes to the Philip Rivers discussion. Everything we've just

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Speaker 3: talked about, none of that changes. Even if they win

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Speaker 3: sixteen to fifteen, he still can't throw the football. So

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Speaker 3: are we having a different discussion because they've won well?

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Speaker 8: And again, this is where it gets really bottom lined

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Speaker 8: in the month of December, given how the season has

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Speaker 8: played out, blowing the lead in Kansas City, losing two

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Speaker 8: critical divisional games each of the last two weeks, Houston

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Speaker 8: and Jacksonville, so much of what we witness over the

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Speaker 8: course of sixty minutes, it boils down to did you

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Speaker 8: win or lose? Like that's just how the standings are

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Speaker 8: right now. And I know I'm probably like oversimplifying it,

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Speaker 8: but you have got to somehow make up multiple games

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Speaker 8: given how it looks. And I get that injuries now

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Speaker 8: are starting to really take their toll on this team.

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Speaker 8: And I mean you played yesterday for what three quarters

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Speaker 8: plus without both your offensive tackles. I mean it's been

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Speaker 8: quite a while since the Colts have had that happen.

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Speaker 8: So becomes now, of all, right, how do you overcome that?

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Speaker 8: How do you try and somehow some way get wins? Plurally,

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Speaker 8: you have to win two of your last three games

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Speaker 8: in all likelihood to get into the dance. And I

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Speaker 8: think that's what again makes this conversation really difficult on

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Speaker 8: a Monday, because, like the River story, if we just

627
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Speaker 8: talked purely Philip Rivers as a grandfather coming off the

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Speaker 8: couch five years removed from playing in the NFL, eighteen

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Speaker 8: hundred days since his last NFL pass, so much of

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Speaker 8: that is a movie and it's all inspiring and it's unbelievable,

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Speaker 8: and it's why it was a talk of the NFL

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Speaker 8: world leading into Sunday, So like that is isolated Jeff

633
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Speaker 8: from Oh my gosh, this team has lost five or six,

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Speaker 8: They've lost four in a row, They've won one game

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Speaker 8: since Halloween. They're on the verge of maybe the biggest

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Speaker 8: colaps we've seen in the NFL and over a decade.

637
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Speaker 8: Like all of that is the big picture twenty twenty

638
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Speaker 8: five view of it. What does this mean for the

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Speaker 8: future of the franchise. Should Chris Ballard and Shane Siken

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Speaker 8: be evaluated on this season? Are we just talking chalking

641
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Speaker 8: it up to injuries or not? Is this going to

642
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Speaker 8: be a tenth year of Chris Ballard. Is this going

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Speaker 8: to be a four season of Shane Syken.

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Speaker 3: It's been an epic collapse. I don't know Alice to

645
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Speaker 3: say it, and you know, Michael from Louisville, I think,

646
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Speaker 3: puts it very well in a text this morning, Applot.

647
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Speaker 3: And love the effort of the whole team, I really do.

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Speaker 3: But you can't put Rivers out there again. He can

649
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Speaker 3: only throw the ball five to seven yards and that

650
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Speaker 3: is not going to win any of these last three games.

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Speaker 3: Either let Leonard play or get Ar ready to go.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that Ar is ready to go. People

653
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Speaker 3: keep thinking you just got to get him ready to go. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he could either see or he can't. Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I guess to answer that I did not exect Anthony

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Speaker 8: Richardson to be playing. I expect Philip Rivers to be

657
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Speaker 8: your start on Monday. We from Monday expected to be

658
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Speaker 8: Philip Rivers once again. And look, probably one of the

659
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Speaker 8: more critical people on Riley Leonard, having watched him at

660
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Speaker 8: Notre Dame. What he would give you is a definite

661
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Speaker 8: run threat. There's no denying that. I think that would

662
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Speaker 8: aid Johnathan Taylor a little bit more and at least

663
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Speaker 8: an ability to try some things down the field. It's

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Speaker 8: not going to be the ability to you know, find

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Speaker 8: a mire Abdullah as quickly as you are in a

666
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Speaker 8: in a route tree, and you know, whatever third and

667
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 8: four becomes, you know, first down game, that's not Ry

668
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Speaker 8: Learned's game. You're not going to get that as consistently

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Speaker 8: as Rivers. Certainly provided that yesterday, Rivers knew where to

670
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Speaker 8: go with the ball a whole lot. But is there

671
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Speaker 8: just a little bit more of potential for this offense.

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Speaker 8: I do think it would have or would be there

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Speaker 8: a little bit more with Lender. Basically, Rivers creates a

674
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Speaker 8: high floor in a super low ceiling. You might be

675
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Speaker 8: lowering the floor. You probably are lowering the floor with

676
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Speaker 8: a rookie quarterback, a day three starter in Riley Leonard,

677
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Speaker 8: but you are also raising the ceiling there. To me,

678
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 8: there's no denying that. And I don't want to get

679
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Speaker 8: lost on the run game aspect to that, because when

680
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Speaker 8: you like, there were a couple of moments in the

681
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Speaker 8: game where Seattle you could tell that their principals defensively

682
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Speaker 8: had them reacting to the quarterback like you going to

683
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Speaker 8: keep it, and it was like no, no, no, that

684
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Speaker 8: can be thrown out the window against the forty four

685
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Speaker 8: year old Philip Rive.

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Speaker 3: You really are playing eleven on ten here, literally the

687
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Speaker 3: running game, and Jeff you just rattled it off.

688
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Speaker 8: Jonathan Taylor's long carrio was what eleven yards in twenty

689
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Speaker 8: five carries. I don't know if people fully realize the

690
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 8: Colts had two plays over fifteen yards yesterday. That's really hard.

691
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Speaker 3: To do in the NFL.

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Speaker 8: I mean usually I want to say the cold season

693
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Speaker 8: low before yesterday was four such plays. And I mean

694
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Speaker 8: we're talking about a thirteen game season up until this point.

695
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 3: Had a seventeen yard reception by Tyler Warren and a

696
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Speaker 3: sixteen yard reception by Alec Beers.

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Speaker 8: Should we get into the final driving the defense after

698
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Speaker 8: the break? Did you have issues in that effort there?

699
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Speaker 3: Other than the fact that Seattle did whatever they wanted

700
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Speaker 3: to do for five plays A couple of plays in

701
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Speaker 3: a row to get in a field goal. Really wasn't musician.

702
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Speaker 8: It wasn't even five.

703
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Speaker 3: I don't think it was.

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Speaker 8: I feel like they spiked it on half those plays

705
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Speaker 8: that I need. It was two plays to get into it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so we'll talk about it all A eighteen sixteen

707
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 3: Seahawks get the win storybook ending didn't quite happen. Philip

708
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Speaker 3: Rivers was kind of what we all thought he was

709
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Speaker 3: going to be. Can't move, can't really throw, is always

710
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 3: going to get you in the right play, do some

711
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 3: good things, but I don't think that can win in

712
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 3: the National Football League. And they had an opportunity to

713
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 3: do it yesterday and let it slip away. We'll talk

714
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 3: about it next. We'll take some of your texts to

715
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Speaker 3: two nine ten seventy, maybe even some of your phone

716
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 3: calls also nine ten seventy. It's the Fan Morning Show

717
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 3: and the Monday Morning after. Right here at ninety three,

718
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 3: we've got our good bad ugly of the week, you

719
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Speaker 3: name it. It is here, Mark Cool, He's the goat.

720
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Speaker 3: I'd pull with you all that I was the greatest

721
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Speaker 3: of all time. Short here's Michael at the Biline.

722
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Speaker 7: I shot on e all gods, the goat or goat.

723
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Speaker 3: This guy suck of the week.

724
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Speaker 4: Mark.

725
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 3: That'll never not make me laugh.

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00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 4: I love that open Kevin.

727
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 3: I've been intrigued by your little tease about eight minutes

728
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 3: ago ever since you did it. So I'm gonna let

729
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 3: you start off with Goat of the week, or you

730
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Speaker 3: want to go good or bad to start things up.

731
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Speaker 8: Well, we'll usually follow whatever happens to the colts result.

732
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Speaker 8: So this would be the bad goat of the weekend.

733
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Speaker 8: And it is the man talking. It is Kevin Bowen,

734
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Speaker 8: shout out to. We went to a puppet show with

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Speaker 8: the kids and the family on Saturday morning up there

736
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Speaker 8: in Carmel. Lovely little puppet show. The kids had a

737
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Speaker 8: great time at it, and I'm sitting next to my

738
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Speaker 8: brother and young boy walks in. It kind of sits

739
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Speaker 8: in the general vicinity of where our kids are. It

740
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Speaker 8: takes off his jacket and the shirt.

741
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Speaker 4: He has on.

742
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Speaker 3: The you.

743
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Speaker 8: In the amount of blood pressure that rose in my

744
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 8: body when this three year old boy took off his

745
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 8: jacket and had a Miami University shirt on.

746
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Speaker 3: Were you ready to down with a three year old?

747
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 8: I wanted Max Bowen to just stomp on him. And

748
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 8: then his father takes off his jacket. He's also rocking

749
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Speaker 8: Miami Hurricane shirt. It is so utterly pathetic that that

750
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 8: makes me feel the way that it does. Can you

751
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 8: just tell me to get the hell over it?

752
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 9: Move on?

753
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 8: Notre Dame Wind and wind all last week? Kevin, It's done.

754
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 8: It's over you didn't make the playoffs. You can gripe,

755
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 8: you can bitch, you can moan, but it's got to

756
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 8: be over after twenty four hours. Why does that make

757
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 8: me so mad? It's the Alabama one that should make

758
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 8: you mad. Oh well, that is certainly true.

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Speaker 3: Miami beats you ahead to head. I can at least

760
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 3: get on board with that argument. But it's the Alabama

761
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 3: getting it is the thing that I have the problem.

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Speaker 8: It's just disgusting that a thirty six year old human

763
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Speaker 8: reacts in the manner that.

764
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Speaker 4: Now, Now, were you wearing Notre Dame gear as well,

765
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,479
Speaker 4: so they saw it and probably did like a little

766
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 4: hat tip to you or what.

767
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Speaker 8: I felt that? I felt like the kid was going

768
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Speaker 8: to turn around in middle finger me.

769
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Speaker 4: Then you did the old chair poll for him.

770
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Speaker 8: And I want to know if I hope that puppet

771
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Speaker 8: comes out and bites your nose?

772
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Speaker 3: Did Maddie realize what was happening? Slide in between you guys?

773
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 3: Just to make sure there was no problem.

774
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Speaker 8: I had Ryan bow and there to calm me down

775
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 8: and listen to me, because but he knew, right meesting

776
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 8: under my breath, he knew, Oh yeah, he knew, he.

777
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 3: Knew well We've got to surround ourselves with people better

778
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 3: than ourselves all the time.

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Speaker 8: Week yours truly, Mark Dyking, What do you got?

780
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 4: Mine was the injury bug we talked a little bit

781
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 4: about earlier, but Sunday was rough for a lot of guys.

782
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes already diagnosed with the torn acl Micah Parsons

783
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 4: we expect that to be the case for him, and

784
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 4: also Davante Adams for the Rams went down. Sean McVay said,

785
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 4: it didn't look good right now. They're diagnosing it as

786
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 4: a hamstring injury. But those are three guys that are

787
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 4: catalysts for their team, all hoping to make a playoff

788
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 4: push and Rough Rough Rough Rough and Patrick Mahomes. Man,

789
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 4: that was a disastrous season for the Chiefs. I don't

790
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 4: really know when he's going to be back, but yeah,

791
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 4: a horrible season for the Chiefs gets even ten times

792
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 4: worse because not only they miss the plaoffs, now that

793
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 4: you lost your star quarterback.

794
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Speaker 3: I saw that happen live as I was watching the

795
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Speaker 3: many TVs. Justually. I'm just curious, Mark, did you see

796
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 3: that happen live? Yes? Was that a little bit late

797
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 3: from the Chargers there?

798
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Speaker 4: I didn't think it was late, but I mean, it's

799
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 4: so quick that it happened, it was hard to tell.

800
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 4: Mike Parsons he knew right away he was probably an

801
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 4: acl because that was non contact and everything. Least Mahomes,

802
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 4: you were hoping it was gonna be okay, and then

803
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 4: when he saw him getting helped to the locker room, like,

804
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 4: oh boy, that does not look good.

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00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,720
Speaker 3: No, not good at all. All right, I am gonna

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00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 3: go with the uh. And I wouldn't normally say it

807
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 3: this way. I'd usually say one of the contenders for

808
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 3: the Heisman Trophy, but I'm gonna say now the loser

809
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 3: of the Heisman Trophy. In twenty twenty five, Diego Pavia

810
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 3: did about everything you could possibly do in the three

811
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 3: hours after not hearing his name and after listening to

812
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 3: Fernando Mendoza get the Heisman Trophy to be about as

813
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 3: classless and disrespectful as he could mark. He basically was

814
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,919
Speaker 3: f them voters, not once but twice. He has since

815
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 3: apologized for that and says, I have nothing but respect

816
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 3: for the people who vote for the Heisman and the

817
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 3: Heisman process. But did you catch any of Diego Pavia.

818
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 3: You both arriving to the ceremony and then his reaction

819
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 3: after the ceremony.

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Speaker 4: Mark, Yeah, and then I saw the little like you know,

821
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 4: apology tweet or message that he posted and everything like

822
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 4: that and whatnot. I don't buy it. I don't care

823
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 4: for it at all. Let Fernando Mendoza have his flowers,

824
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 4: get his recognition, act like you've been there before. Don't

825
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 4: have such sour grapes. So not a fan of Diego Pavi.

826
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie.

827
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 3: No. And as you said earlier, Kevin, for a guy

828
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Speaker 3: who could be potentially on the draft boards of a

829
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Speaker 3: lot of teams in the NFL, did was he just

830
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 3: giving you Johnny Manzel vibes? And like, yeah, I think

831
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Speaker 3: I'll pass on that one.

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Speaker 8: I don't think he's very high on those draft boards,

833
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 8: to be clearly not. But yeah, pretty immature from the

834
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Speaker 8: Vanderbilt quarterback. My great go to the weekend. I think

835
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Speaker 8: James Boyd would endorse this. Did you guys see the

836
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 8: Steph Curry shot he made in pregame warmups?

837
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was insane, The one handed.

838
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 8: Key from the tunnel to the opposite hoop. Can you

839
00:38:55,640 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 8: can you imagine playing cornhole or beer pong Againsteph Curry,

840
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 8: He's a cheat.

841
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 3: Coat his brain.

842
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 4: You wouldn't finish half a beer? No, done already? Oh

843
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 4: I'd like to get a turn.

844
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Speaker 8: I say, it's all serious. I would like to see

845
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 8: Steph Curry start for the Colts of quarterback on Monday.

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00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 3: Couldn't do. Look he can throw the machine.

847
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Speaker 8: Phil You imagine the touch you would have. It would

848
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 8: be unbelievable watching him. Just Pepperrell, Actually, Philip Rivers and

849
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 8: Steph Curry in a cornhole game? Would that be the

850
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 8: greatest duo ever created?

851
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 4: Would throw the ball and throw it the way he

852
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 4: throws it at the football?

853
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 3: Yeah? I thought.

854
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Speaker 8: I thought you're gonna say, can Philip Rivers get us

855
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 8: to the cornhole board?

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00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 3: Which? Wow?

857
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 4: Mark, I wouldn't go that route. Classier than that? What

858
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 4: do you got? Mine goes to the one and a

859
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 4: true goat. John Cena definition called the quits after a

860
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 4: twenty three year career on Saturday Night. A seventeen time

861
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 4: ww champion, a Grand Slam champion, he won the Royal

862
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 4: Rumble twice, headline WrestleMania six separate times, and most importantly,

863
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 4: he holds the record for most wishes granted for the

864
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 4: makeup Wish program. A job well done by John Z.

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Speaker 4: You'll truly be missed. A big hat tip you can't

866
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 4: see me to you, but a hell of a career,

867
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Speaker 4: one of the true legends of the sport.

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Speaker 3: I love that. I'm gonna go with. I was told

869
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Speaker 3: you I was watching sixty Minutes last night KB. Don

870
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 3: Fisher was featured significantly in that and we talked last

871
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 3: week about Fish being able to do that double on

872
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 3: the day where Louisville and Indiana were playing basketball at

873
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Speaker 3: the Fieldhouse, then going over to call the Big Ten Championship,

874
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 3: which Indiana won and beat Ohio State, and now he's

875
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 3: showing up on sixty Minutes. Just the nicest guy at least,

876
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 3: he's always been good to us here at the fan.

877
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 3: I've never heard anybody say anything other than great things

878
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 3: about Don Fitcheries. He's one of my favorite people to

879
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 3: listen to throughout the week. When he's talking about Indiana,

880
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 3: He's got that little chuckle that is so Don Fisher

881
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 3: that I love all the time. And I guess kind

882
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 3: of on behalf of everything that's happening for Indiana and

883
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 3: Indiana football. I'm gonna name Don Fisher as my goat

884
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 3: of the week. I just for as long as he's

885
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 3: been in broadcasting, to have it go the way it's

886
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 3: gone for him this year, and to be a part

887
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 3: of something that he loves so much, and to see

888
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 3: the success there kind of on behalf of everybody involved.

889
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 3: Down there, I'm gonna go down Fish love.

890
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 8: Me some Fish. Always been great to me behind the scenes.

891
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 8: Have enjoyed getting to know him and have appreciated him

892
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 8: listening to me and answering questions that I've had. So yes,

893
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 8: he is an absolute legend, all right.

894
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 3: Coming up in a moment, more on the fallout from

895
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 3: the loss in Seattle yesterday and the debut, the re

896
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 3: debut I guess of Philip Rivers, and a little bit

897
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 3: more on the Pacers and their tough day over at

898
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 3: the field House. It's all straight ahead ninety three five

899
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 3: and one make up the season.

900
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 1: Fall on the right hair, Sam Chez to put it down.

901
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 3: Step.

902
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: There's the placement and the kit clears the line heading

903
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: down field for the upright sanities God two by two

904
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: formation for Rivers walking over that defense. Four on the

905
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: play clock takes a step, three step drop, lookings brows.

906
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 2: Inside the five touchdown for the Colts and it's just

907
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 2: downs across the goal line.

908
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: Jason Myers has been heavily used today. This is his

909
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: fourth attempt. It's a thirty two yard field goal. Kick

910
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: is up and headed for the uprights, and it's good.

911
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: The Colts trail by two, and Blake Groupie is on

912
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: for a sixty yard field goal, this one from sixty

913
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: as Rigaberto Sanchez is prepared. Let's see if John and

914
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: mister Groupie in his third year to knock down a

915
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 1: huge field goal. Stat placement kick on the way, headed

916
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: downfield for the uprights. Pitts who it's good from sixty,

917
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 1: Blake roopy, so this is gonna be a fifty six

918
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: yard field goal. Myers stamp gets into it, sends it

919
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: downfield headed for the upright.

920
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:53,959
Speaker 3: Said it's good.

921
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 6: As the game just got gone, I was just thankful.

922
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 6: I'm grateful that I was out there and it was

923
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 6: a blast. It was a blast. But obviously the motion

924
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 6: is now are disappointment and disappointment. You know, I'm this

925
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 6: isn't about me. You know, we got a team that

926
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 6: was scrapping like crazy, just trying to stay alive and

927
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 6: get in a postseason. So obviously we're all disappointed. Came

928
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 6: up just short and it's two minute drive. They they

929
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 6: hit the plays.

930
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 5: They hit plays there at the end to get him

931
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 5: in field goal range. That was them out of line.

932
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 3: You know.

933
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 6: We had some we were in zone, we had some

934
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 6: blitzes up, you know, and they needed a couple whatever.

935
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 5: They needed twenty yards to get into range, and they

936
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 5: got it done.

937
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 6: Obviously, it's disappointing anytime you lose, but we're guaranteed three

938
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 6: left and had a chance to win one today. But

939
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 6: now we got another opportunity to go do it again

940
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 6: on Monday night against San Francisco, and we're excited for

941
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 6: that challenge.

942
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 3: There you go, Shane Steichen Philip Rivers looks like they

943
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 3: may team up again for a Monday night game against

944
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 3: the San Francisco forty nine ers. Colts lose eighteen sixteen

945
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 3: and inspirational for all the right reasons. Forty four year

946
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 3: old guy been retired for five years, gets a phone

947
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 3: call team in desperation. He can help him out. Understands

948
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 3: the offense, good friends with the head coach. They're on

949
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 3: the same page. He gave them a chance. Everything went

950
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 3: as well as it could go for the Colts, in

951
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 3: my opinion, to give them the chance right up until

952
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 3: the very end when it didn't. But it is certainly

953
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 3: in my view, Kevin Bowen averaging four point four yards

954
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 3: per pass attempt, no mobility whatsoever. Great story, good man.

955
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 3: Happy for him, glad. I guess that he got the opportunity.

956
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 3: But you're not going to get yourself back into the

957
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 3: playoffs with Philip Rivers as the quarterback of the Indianapolis Colts.

958
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 8: Well, let's stretch it a little bit even further than that, Jeff.

959
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 8: You know, there is part of me that just looks

960
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 8: at yesterday afternoon and thinks to myself, like, what an

961
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 8: effort by the Colts. They're on their third string quarterback

962
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 8: or everyone of label Rivers. They were down to their

963
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 8: third and fourth string offensive tackles. I can't recall the

964
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 8: last time they've been down. We've seen, you know, like

965
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 8: the Chargers, for example, have been dealing with that for

966
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 8: a long portion of the season, but I don't remember

967
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 8: the Colts being down to that in quite a while. Defensively,

968
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 8: you were without what your three best defensive players, certainly

969
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 8: three of your best, if not your best, and into

970
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 8: Forest Buckner and Javerius Hoardensace Gartner, and you went out

971
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 8: to one of the more hostile environments in the NFL

972
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,479
Speaker 8: against a team that I think a lot of people

973
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 8: view as one of the best in the NFL, and

974
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 8: you lost by two. Like there is so much of

975
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 8: that that you want to sit there and be like, man,

976
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 8: great effort, hell of a job, that's really really respectable

977
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 8: and commendable and all of that. And I think all

978
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 8: of that is probably true. It's just, in my opinion,

979
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 8: borderline impossible to celebrate it when now you've lost five

980
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 8: or six, and you've lost four in a row, and

981
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 8: the Jacksonville in the Houston games went the way that

982
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 8: it did. Kansas City's won what one game in the

983
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 8: last month and a half two months, and it's you

984
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 8: and blowing that multi score lead in air ahead like

985
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 8: if one, certainly it's two, but if even one of

986
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 8: those games that just mentioned or Pittsburgh, you know, if

987
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 8: one of those games goes the other way, you can

988
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 8: maybe talk about this game right here yesterday. Differently, you

989
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 8: can react to it in a little bit more of

990
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 8: a Hey, man, there's a game like this for every

991
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 8: team in the NFL each year when You're decimated like

992
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 8: no other injury report wise. Do you rise to the occasion?

993
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 8: You know, do guys step up? You know, do you

994
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 8: have a chance to win? But just given the playoff standings,

995
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 8: you just can't here, sit here and offer a ton of.

996
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 3: To it.

997
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 8: It's just difficult. And you know, here you are at

998
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 8: eight and six and gonna need to win multiple games

999
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 8: in the last three weeks, and you obviously have injury

1000
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 8: questions continuing. You have offensive questions to your point that

1001
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 8: we can get into. But yeah, I mean, living in

1002
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 8: the sixty minute world, there's a lot a lot that

1003
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 8: the Colts had a great effort yesterday, but given the

1004
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 8: nature of where the season and is sinking and trending,

1005
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 8: it's hard to really acknowledge any of it.

1006
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 3: I will say I allowed myself to put myself into

1007
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 3: the moment yesterday and Kevin, I'm not gonna lie to you.

1008
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 3: There was an elm of me when they were staying

1009
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 3: in the football game and he was doing just enough

1010
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 3: to keep him in the football game. And then when

1011
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 3: they took that lead at sixteen fifteen, there was a

1012
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 3: part of me like, this is fun. I tweeted it out,

1013
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 3: this is fun. I was actually having fun for a

1014
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 3: while yesterday, and I can again two things can be true.

1015
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 3: You can get lost in the moment. You can get

1016
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 3: lost in the story. You can root for Philip Rivers,

1017
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 3: you can root for the story. You can appreciate all

1018
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 3: the things that are going on. But at the end

1019
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 3: of the day, when you put it in context as

1020
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 3: you just did Kevin, and then you also look at

1021
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 3: what's to come in the next few weeks, I don't

1022
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 3: know how it's sustainable. I don't know how you keep

1023
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 3: it going and think to yourself, honestly, this gives us

1024
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 3: the best chance. I don't know how you get to

1025
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 3: that conclusion unless they know something about Riley Leonard that

1026
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 3: I don't know, unless they just decided a long time ago,

1027
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 3: like we can't win with Riley.

1028
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,760
Speaker 8: You know, a big debate we had last week, Jeff,

1029
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 8: was you know, are we just splitting hairs and debating

1030
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 8: Philip Rivers, Riley Leonard or Brett Rippin. You know, those

1031
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 8: were kind of the three names. Sam Ellinger, right, he

1032
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 8: was the other name that we kind of talked about.

1033
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 8: You know, would the end result largely look the same? Well,

1034
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 8: the Colt score yesterday sixteen, you know, sixteen points, you know,

1035
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 8: not the most explosive offense by any means, and maybe

1036
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 8: like the getting to sixteen points would look differently with

1037
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 8: some of those guys. You know, maybe with some of

1038
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 8: the others, you have a few more turnovers that puts

1039
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 8: your defense into, you know, difficult situations. Maybe you do

1040
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 8: create a few more big plays from it. So I

1041
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 8: do think we are probably in the We're just splitting

1042
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 8: hairs at the end of the day, given the fact

1043
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 8: that Leonard was a full participant in practice though, the

1044
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 8: threat that he does bring with his legs, And this is.

1045
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 3: Coming from a guy that you're not the biggest fan.

1046
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 8: No, I'm not definitely the biggest Riley Leonard fan by

1047
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 8: any means, But I do think he would have offered

1048
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 8: your offense a little bit more potency. Now, again, maybe

1049
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 8: as a rookie quarterback in that environment, he's turning the

1050
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 8: ball over a time or two. But I'll go back

1051
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 8: to what we discussed last segment. Those offensive numbers, Jeff,

1052
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 8: four point four yards per past attempt, three point seven

1053
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 8: yards per play, those are just not NFL sustainable at all.

1054
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 8: It's archaic, it's dinosaur. I don't know how else to

1055
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 8: better describe it. But that's exactly what it is for you,

1056
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 8: and really the only good which you know, again it

1057
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 8: does worth mentioning, or I think it's worth mentioning. You

1058
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 8: didn't turn the ball over, and I do think that

1059
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 8: was key in just allowing your defense to hang in

1060
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,720
Speaker 8: there and all of that you're able to control field position.

1061
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 8: I think the Colts had like a fifteen yard advantage

1062
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 8: and average drive start, which was really big for them.

1063
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 8: So again Rivers, that part of the operation is there,

1064
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 8: But I mean the offense is just yeah, it's just

1065
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 8: boring as hell.

1066
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 3: And it's clear that the offense it's essentially designed to

1067
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 3: get a first down. That's it, Like I just need

1068
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 3: and they you know, they had fourteen first down, so.

1069
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 8: The offensive design to go, run, run, ron, get it

1070
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 8: to third and four and pray and hope the third

1071
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 8: and four Exactly.

1072
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 3: My point is just get to the sticks, make it

1073
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 3: keep it going, keep it going. They only had two

1074
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty yard fifteen yards of total offense yesterday.

1075
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 3: Think about that, Kevin. You're not gonna win very many

1076
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 3: games in the National FOOTBA League when you get two

1077
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 3: hundred and fifteen yards of total offense.

1078
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,280
Speaker 8: That's got to be one of the lowest on a while.

1079
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 8: Is that a season low?

1080
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 3: Do you know? I'll have to go back and look

1081
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 3: at it, but it's I can't imagine things being much

1082
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 3: lower than that. But like I said, two things can

1083
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 3: be true, and that's kind of been my theme today.

1084
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 3: Feel good about the story, feel good about Philip Rivers.

1085
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 3: This can't continue to have. Yeah, I think you've just

1086
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 3: can't continue to have.

1087
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 8: I think you've done a nice job and you know,

1088
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 8: isolating the two I've you know, said all morning long.

1089
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 8: You know, Philip Rivers is a Disney Plus movie. It's

1090
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 8: a fun thing to watch on a Friday night in

1091
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 8: this weather. But right now for a Sunday afternoon, a

1092
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 8: NFL football game, what and again, there might not be

1093
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 8: any good answers. To be clear, there probably isn't any

1094
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 8: good answers. But if I had to pick and choose

1095
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 8: moving forward, you know, fully approaching a because I think

1096
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 8: Rivers also Stemy's your run game. The fact that he

1097
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 8: is such a statue back there and there's no element

1098
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 8: of him you know, running you know whatever, RPOs and

1099
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 8: that sort of aspect, you know. Jonathan Taylor at twenty

1100
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 8: five carries yesterday and what he had one double digit

1101
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 8: yard carry? I mean twenty five or what like eighty something.

1102
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 8: I mean, you know that is obviously a really really

1103
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 8: low number. So I think it also hurts you in

1104
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 8: that aspect of it, not just the can you throw

1105
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 8: it north of ten yards?

1106
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so much that goes back to the Seahawks

1107
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 3: know that Jonathan Taylor, Ay, everybody knows he's your biggest

1108
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 3: weapon anyway, But now when you got a quarterback who's

1109
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 3: not going to scare you downfield, who's not going to run,

1110
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 3: that is to keep guys up closer to Jonathan Taylor

1111
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 3: and make sure that he doesn't get loose for anything

1112
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 3: longer than an eleven yard touch or eleven yard run.

1113
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 3: He did catch the touchdown pass, But when you look

1114
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 3: at the longest plays of the day, Downs, right, yeah,

1115
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 3: Taylor had eleven on one carry. Josh Downs had an

1116
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 3: eight yard was his longest reception. Pierce was the longest. That.

1117
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,919
Speaker 3: That's a nice catch by him too. Did you see

1118
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 3: that catch by Alec Pierce again?

1119
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 8: I just feel like you've got a Pepper Pierce with targets.

1120
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 8: I don't even he'll make catches, right, even I think

1121
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 8: he has proven to like I want to see more

1122
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 8: of that back shoulder stuff. I mean, obviously River is

1123
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 8: not going to chuck it, even like Flacco did down

1124
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 8: the field. But I just think Pierce is a contested

1125
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 8: catch guy. He at least is competitive in it. And

1126
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 8: I know that sounds really elementary to say, but Jeff,

1127
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 8: there was a ball that Darnold threw to Rashid Shaheed

1128
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 8: down the sideline that Shaheed wanted a pass interference penalty,

1129
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 8: and they didn't throw it. If he would have been

1130
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 8: more competitive and attempting to catch the ball, I think

1131
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 8: that might have forced the ref's hand a little bit.

1132
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 8: I think it was Mikaile Blackman in coverage. Pierce is

1133
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 8: always doing a great job of trying to make the catch,

1134
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 8: and I think it aids him in some of those

1135
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 8: fifty to fifty calls of like, hey, should I pull

1136
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 8: out the flagger? Should I not? So to me, Pierce,

1137
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 8: I mean he tweet out the snap counts earlier today.

1138
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,720
Speaker 8: He played every single offensive snap. Technically, the passing ferens'

1139
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 8: penalty does not count as a target because it wasn't

1140
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 8: a play it was it was a penalty. He had

1141
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 8: one target, like he just needs more targets.

1142
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,280
Speaker 3: I'm just counting down. There were there were six Colts

1143
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 3: that caught passes yesterday. Abdula had five. I thought he

1144
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 3: played pretty well yesterday. By the way.

1145
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, I got some naim Heines twenty twenty vibes.

1146
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 3: Again.

1147
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 8: Hines led the team in catches with Rivers. I got

1148
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 8: some naihim Heines vibes from him.

1149
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 3: He had five catches, Pittman had three, Warren had three,

1150
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 3: Pierce had just the one we talked about. Jonathan Taylor

1151
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 3: had three, one of them getting close to the end

1152
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 3: zone there, and then Josh Downs had the touchdown reception.

1153
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 3: I think I said earlier Taylor did, but it was Downs.

1154
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,399
Speaker 8: Yeah, So I went back to two thousand. That's the

1155
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 8: fourth fewest yards in a game for the Colts. So

1156
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 8: in the last five years twenty twenty two season with

1157
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 8: Matt Ryan, I think some of these starts might have

1158
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 8: been with Ellinger. He had a couple of those games

1159
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 8: twenty twenty three. I assume that was Richardson on him.

1160
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 8: Maybe it was Minshew, but yeah, two point fifteen is

1161
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 8: just again a very very small number.

1162
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 3: Two nine ten seventy number to text in or calling

1163
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 3: if you'd like to, Cody writes in I'm way past

1164
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 3: over this leadership, but curious what your thoughts are in

1165
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 3: the combo what it would be if they win after

1166
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 3: the sixty yard or are we still negative because of

1167
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 3: how old and slow Phil looked, or are we saying man,

1168
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 3: Sauce and Buckner still coming back, let's go lol. There

1169
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 3: is an element to when you win a game. Okay,

1170
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 3: now we can build on that. But even if you

1171
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 3: win that game, what is markedly going to get better

1172
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 3: from the quarterback position in terms of getting the ball

1173
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 3: downfield and not just being a very one dimensional football team.

1174
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 8: Well, Jeff, I think this is where you have two

1175
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 8: sides to the where the twenty twenty five coin is

1176
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,720
Speaker 8: right now for the Colts. And you know last week

1177
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 8: we got into a little bit of this topic. But basically,

1178
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 8: you have a win loss record playoff standings side of

1179
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 8: the coin. That obviously is what people care about. Okay,

1180
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 8: at the end of the day, did you make the

1181
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 8: playoffs or did you not? So what's your record, what

1182
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 8: are the playoff chances? What wins do you need? You know,

1183
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 8: what are the tie breakers? So a win and this

1184
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 8: is kind of what I've been getting out all morning long.

1185
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 8: That is the bottom line right now, when you've lost

1186
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 8: five of six, when you've lost four straight, when you

1187
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 8: have one win since Halloween, when you've already lost to

1188
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 8: Houston and Jacksonville in the division, you need wins, point blank, period.

1189
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 8: But I also can sit here and acknowledge what the

1190
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 8: Colts are trying to attempt right now is largely a gimmick.

1191
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 8: I mean, that's what the reality is of their situation.

1192
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 8: You know. I think when we had Stephen Holder on

1193
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 8: last Wednesday, I said to Stephen, should the final four

1194
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 8: games of this season, likely quarterbacked by Philip Rivers, have.

1195
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 4: Any sort of.

1196
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 8: Evaluation measure if you will on Chainsychin or Chris Ballard.

1197
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 3: I guess if he comes in and he gives you

1198
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 3: enough to get into the postseason, you pat him on

1199
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 3: the back for having in, you know, being ingenius and

1200
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 3: coming up with a solution to your quarterback problem in

1201
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 3: the short term, right.

1202
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 8: Right, But like it's kind of la la land, Like

1203
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 8: this this is not NFL reality. I mean, it is

1204
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 8: for the Colts in the small sample size, but like,

1205
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 8: this isn't your reality next year. This is not like

1206
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 8: there's no stain power. I guess is what I'm saying

1207
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 8: to this. This is not something of like, oh, no,

1208
00:56:58,360 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 8: we can build off.

1209
00:56:59,200 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 4: This, you know.

1210
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,240
Speaker 8: No, he's a forty four year old quarterback as playing five.

1211
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,280
Speaker 3: You patched a hole in a very ingenious way, right,

1212
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 3: which you know.

1213
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 8: Part of the NFL season I guess can be like

1214
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 8: that to a degree. But it just seems like for Ballard, Okay,

1215
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 8: let's talk about Ballard. We are approaching the end of

1216
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 8: the end of his ninth year. Should the final four

1217
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 8: games the end of nine years really be the deciding

1218
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 8: factor in a resume that has what one hundred other

1219
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 8: games of evidence?

1220
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's how you got to those four games, right.

1221
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 8: Well, right, what I'm saying is eight years and thirteen

1222
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 8: games to me out weighs four.

1223
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1224
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 8: And for Shane stike him, you know, you have obviously

1225
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 8: a lot less of a sample size, but for stike In,

1226
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 8: it's what three years and three fourths of a season

1227
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 8: should outweigh the final four weeks And you know, maybe

1228
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 8: the season would have returned around, but the ship was

1229
00:57:52,880 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 8: already sinking before you know. Daniel Jones is Achilles there.

1230
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 8: So yeah, the whole dissecting of like this, Philip Rivers

1231
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 8: end of the twenty twenty five season is just like

1232
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 8: are we going to get at the air and like

1233
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 8: it's Carlie Ersa Gordon gonna say, hey, I felt like

1234
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 8: we gave great effort as the injuries piled up and

1235
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 8: we started really well, and I'm gonna choose to go

1236
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 8: off of that and I'm gonna run it back.

1237
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 3: Let's go talk to Roger next on the fan line.

1238
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 3: And now he just dropped out, Oh we lost Roger. Guys,

1239
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 3: we'll get to you. Just be a little bit patient.

1240
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 3: I promise we will get to you when you call

1241
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 3: in two, three, nine, ten seventy you want to call back,

1242
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 3: and we'll get you all on right there. Ryan from

1243
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 3: Pendleton says Jeff KB. I think what we saw from

1244
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 3: Rivers was an intelligence level that kept the game close.

1245
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,479
Speaker 3: He made some great adjustments at the line that Riley

1246
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 3: Leonard may not have seen. This managed the mistakes and

1247
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 3: kept the game within range. What I'm hoping for next

1248
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 3: week is a little more creativity from Stich and Ann

1249
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 3: Rivers with the use of weapons, for example downs Pierce Warren.

1250
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 3: There were some usage, but wasn't a lot of quick

1251
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 3: play action underneath usage. Piers or downs only on the

1252
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 3: touchdown just wasn't used enough. And I don't know it's

1253
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 3: because to me it seems like Rivers himself and Shane

1254
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 3: Stike and they don't trust his arm right now. You

1255
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 3: can't trust his arm right now.

1256
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't know how much more creative you can

1257
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 8: be I'm going to do with it. I don't you know.

1258
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 8: I guess you could try to just double move teams

1259
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 8: to death and hope that the Rivers, you know, ball

1260
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 8: the downs is something that can get there. But I

1261
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 8: think you're playing a fire when you attempt anything down

1262
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 8: the field, and so much of it just comes down

1263
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 8: to I feel like the defense gave a great, great

1264
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 8: effort down several starters as well, but man, that final drive,

1265
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 8: and to me, it started with the with with the

1266
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,479
Speaker 8: lack of a squipkick, Like to me, for a groupie there,

1267
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 8: you just gotta squid it down the middle. You got

1268
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 8: to eat clock. Your your covered union has been great

1269
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 8: all year long. Rely on them to make a play,

1270
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 8: you know, in the middle of the field. Hopefully that

1271
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 8: eats up clock and then you know, if you're able

1272
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 8: to make one legit tackle in the middle of the

1273
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 8: field on a ball. That's you know. Even again, if

1274
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 8: you give up eight or nine yards on a completion

1275
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 8: on that last drive, that that very well could be enough.

1276
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 8: If you allow two eight yard completions and you tackle them,

1277
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 8: you just forced Darnold to check it down, you probably

1278
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 8: win the game.

1279
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 3: Jeff, Let's try you next two, nine, ten, seventy. Welcome

1280
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 3: into the Fan Morning Show. What's on your mind? My man?

1281
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 10: Well, i'd like to say respond to mister Bowen. Surely

1282
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 10: the last four games can either be an exclamation point

1283
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 10: or a nail in the coffin for either Stiching or

1284
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 10: mister Ballard. But I agree with you concerning the defense

1285
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 10: Mifflin at best when it comes to the secondary and

1286
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 10: the linebackers need to be replaced if we're going to

1287
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,919
Speaker 10: be in the Ana Rumo's type of defense next year.

1288
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 5: That's all I got.

1289
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 3: Thank you, thanks very much. Thoughts.

1290
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, thank you Jeff for the call. I guess yeah,

1291
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 8: I probably should have been clear on the whole, like

1292
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 8: Ballard Stikeing thing, like I thought balworship had been gone

1293
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 8: after last season.

1294
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 4: It's like, do I really need.

1295
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 8: To see You've been pretty clear off the final three games?

1296
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 8: Haven't we seen enough I guess.

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Speaker 4: That's where I'm at.

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Speaker 8: To me, it's a bottom line business. And if this

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Speaker 8: season indeed continues to go down this pathway, I mean,

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Speaker 8: you're looking at eleven years without a division title. You're

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Speaker 8: looking at, you know again, a five year playoffs drout,

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Speaker 8: which is one of the longest in the NFL. It's

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Speaker 8: one of the longest this franchises had in thirty plus years.

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Speaker 8: Like that, to me tells enough of the story. Like

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Speaker 8: I don't need to dissect the philip if we really

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Speaker 8: want to nitpick, you know, when Daniel Jones cractice fibula,

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Speaker 8: should they have explored a backup option a little bit better? Sure,

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Speaker 8: but I think that's a little bit of nitpicking post

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Speaker 8: trade deadline exactly what that could look like.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's go to the phones one more time

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Speaker 3: before we get ahead to the checkdown. John, your turn

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Speaker 3: here on the Fan Morning show. What did you see yesterday?

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Speaker 7: Well, I heard the rally Leonard.

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Speaker 1: I think he had a bad knee and that's the

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Speaker 1: reason he didn't play.

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Speaker 4: He was injured. That that's what I heard.

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Speaker 8: Devin practice fully all three days last week. My experience

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Speaker 8: in the NFL, if you're practicing fully for three straight days.

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Speaker 8: You're healthy. I didn't notice anything knee brace wrap sleeve

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Speaker 8: on him at all at practice, so again we're probably

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Speaker 8: splitting hairs, but I think Leonard with a little bit

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Speaker 8: of a leg element and the ability to throw the

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Speaker 8: ball down the field a little bit. I mean, hell,

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Speaker 8: in three quarters in Jacksonville, he produced pretty much the

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Speaker 8: same amount of offense that without any practice time all

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Speaker 8: week long. So if I had to pick or shoes,

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Speaker 8: I would pick Leonard right now, all right, that's just me.