1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: It's very rare. I see a headline involving politics or 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: government and I simply said, I don't. I don't even 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: know what to say to this. 4 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,159 Speaker 2: And over the weekend you had time to think about it, 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 2: didn't you. 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: Well, I'm still like, I don't, I don't know. We're 7 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 1: going to do a segment on it, and I'm like, okay, 8 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: now I'm going to go with this. I have absolutely 9 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:27,159 Speaker 1: no idea. This headline is simply unbelievable, and we'll do 10 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: our best to get into it. This story broke. What 11 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: was this? This would have been Saturday evening, I think 12 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: right Saturday evening. Topless deep fake video royals Indiana office 13 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: lawmaker's wife targeted per sources. Correct, that's the headline, Then 14 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: the little what's the thing under the big headline? Is it? 15 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: The is that what? 16 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: It's? 17 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: Well, not not who wrote it, but the little description. 18 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:53,599 Speaker 1: There's a you know, there's always the headline and then 19 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: the description. Indiana Lieutenant governor denies existence of deep fake video, 20 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: accuses fired staff of fabricating story, but adds that viewing 21 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: porn in office is fireable offense. This is like a 22 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: legit headline. Wow, yeah, okay, so this story is by 23 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: a guy by the name of Tom Labianco. Now, people 24 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,559 Speaker 1: who've been around Indianapolis for years probably recognize that name. 25 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: He worked at The Indie Star for a while. Most 26 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: recently he's best known he wrote a book called Piety 27 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,279 Speaker 1: and Power. Mike Pence and the Taking of the White 28 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: House is a He's a freelance journalist now, which means 29 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:36,479 Speaker 1: basically organizations hire him for specific stories pieces. Whatever he's 30 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: been on CNN, he's this part of the Associated Press, 31 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: Fox News, MSNBCNPR like he's a big deal. He's a 32 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: national journalist. And so when I saw the headline and 33 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: then his name, it was very surprising obviously to see 34 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: that this is a story that a guy like that 35 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: would would work on. So, okay, let's try to work 36 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: through what Lobbyanco is alleging happened as a part of this. Okay, 37 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: So he is alleging in this piece. And by the way, 38 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: you can read it for yourself. It's twenty four site 39 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 1: dot news is the is the website right, twenty four 40 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: site news two four sight dot news, And you can 41 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 1: read this whole thing for yourself. Other people shared it. 42 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: An o abdual Adam Randall, the local journalists people shared 43 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: the thing if you want to read it for yourself. 44 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: So what he's alleging has happened here is that a 45 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: high ranking well multiple high ranking people in Micah's office. 46 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 2: In the Lieutenant Governor's office. 47 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: That's correct, were either a part of creating or viewing 48 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:56,399 Speaker 1: or both, which it's kind of unclear. What they call 49 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: deep fake pornography? Is that, right, generated deep fake videos? Yes, 50 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: so you had the best description of what in their mind, 51 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: They're like, what in the world what is that is 52 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: that like? And you said, it's basically the stuff Hammer 53 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: does like. 54 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: Not not what Hammer does similar. 55 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm saying it's like 56 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: but it's the porn version. 57 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: Right, Okay, So we were trying to explain this, and 58 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 2: do you remember a couple of weeks ago when Hammer 59 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 2: created an AI of Nigel and it was about the 60 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: Sydney sweeneyad. 61 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: Oh. 62 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 2: Yes, he put Nigel in a pair of blue jeans 63 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 2: and with no shirt. Right, that's great, but you can 64 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 2: tell that that really wasn't Nigel's body. It was like 65 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 2: Nigel's head, Yes, And they made Nigel much fatter, larger 66 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 2: than what he actually is, huh, and then the genes 67 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 2: or another version would be. Just last week he posted 68 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 2: a video of you getting punched in the face. 69 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: To promote off the right. So that was really your. 70 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 2: Face, yes, but that wasn't nobody was really punching you. 71 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 2: It was created that way through AI. 72 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: So allegedly, according to Lebbyanco in the story, there are 73 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:17,799 Speaker 1: people in Micah's office who were doing that inside the office, 74 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: and I think they were publishing. Like when Hammer did 75 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: the thing of me getting punched in the face, he 76 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: said to me, was like, do you care if I 77 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: do a thing of you getting punched in the face. 78 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 1: I was like, no, that's hilarious. Do it and people 79 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: loved it. Right, This is allegedly these people making a 80 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: pornographic what a Lobbyancle's describing as a pornographic AI of 81 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: some sort of a lawmaker's wife. Correct. 82 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 2: So this happened after there was a talent show performance 83 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 2: and the lawmaker's wife was performing. 84 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: Yes, in the talent show, like legitimately, So I think 85 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: I think Who's your idol is the name of the event, 86 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: and I think somebody can correct me if I'm wrong 87 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: on this. It's a charity event. Where the lawmakers they 88 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: all kind of put politics aside for an evening. They 89 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: get up, they do events, they perform, right, et cetera, 90 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: like a talent show, right, and I think somebody cranking. 91 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: I'm wrong. The money on that goes to charity. So 92 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 1: this lawmaker's wife was performing, did perform in that event. 93 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: And off of this, Labyanco is alleging in this piece 94 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: that people inside of Micah's office took that and made 95 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: some sort of pornographic presentation which they were laughing at 96 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 1: and sharing inside the office. If I'm reading the story correctly. 97 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, And so Tom Labianco, the reporter, reached out to 98 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 2: the Lieutenant governor's office and got a response from the 99 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 2: Lieutenant governor, and he said it didn't happen. If it 100 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 2: did happen, or if it happened in the future, sure 101 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 2: that it's a fireball offense, and that he's not going 102 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 2: to put up with that in his office. 103 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: Okay. So, and in the story, by the way, I 104 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: do want to point out in the story, Labianco names 105 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: the people in question. We're not doing that, But in 106 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: the story he names the people in question that are 107 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: at the center of this. Now, what's also interesting about 108 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 1: MICA's quote is that he tries to blame someone who 109 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: was recently let go from his office as being the 110 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: person who is basically the starter of the story or 111 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: the facilitator of the story or whatever. So I will 112 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: tell you this, and I will do this with permission 113 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: from the person. I talked to the lawmaker in question 114 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: whose wife is at the center of this this morning. Yeah, 115 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: they reached out to me, had a long conversation with 116 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: them about that. I'm not going to identify the lawmaker yet, 117 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: but I think it's pretty well known in the state 118 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: House who this person is. Now, it's my understanding. It's 119 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: this story is much of what people spent their weekend 120 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: talking about in and around Indiana politics and government. I 121 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: will tell you this person, and they gave me permission 122 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: to say this. They are taking this very serious. Yeah, 123 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: they're not happy. 124 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be either. 125 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: And they are exploring all their legal avenues that are 126 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: available to them. And I think it's fine when you 127 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: say it's both from the criminal and civil side of things. 128 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 2: Well, that's what the article says. The lawmaker and his 129 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 2: wife are consulting their attorneys and considering civil and criminal 130 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 2: legal action. 131 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: So I this is as far as I think we 132 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: can take the story right now. If you want to 133 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: read the story itself, you can do that. Like I said, 134 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: many people have shared the story if it turns out 135 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: to be true, which again it's one story right now, 136 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: and we will see what comes of this, of anything. 137 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: But Tom Labianco is a nationally known person. This is 138 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: and he put his name on it. I mean that 139 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: is this is a guy, like I said, I mean, 140 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: you're talking about someone who has covered the president for many, 141 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: many years. He's by all accounts of very even if 142 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: you don't a lot of people don't maybe like his 143 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: politics or some of the things he's written. He's a 144 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: known quantity. And I think that's what has caught people 145 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: off guard, is you have a nationally known quantity doing 146 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: this story in which he's actually naming the people in 147 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: question at the heart of this allegedly. 148 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: Okay, you have to keep in mind at this point 149 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 2: nothing has been proven. It's unsubstantiated, So you can look 150 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 2: at this two ways. It's an example of the dangers 151 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 2: of weaponized AI and one of the reasons why Melania 152 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: Trump was very adamant to have them pass the tail 153 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 2: down Act, which they did in May, So. 154 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: That's important real quick. I don't want to detour off 155 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: your train of thought here, but this is this is 156 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: now both at a state and local level, what we 157 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: call it weaponized AI porn or I don't even know 158 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: what the technical term would be, but you're doing these. 159 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 2: Sort of things non consensual creation and distribution of deep fakes. 160 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: Thank you very good. Is now I believe it both 161 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 1: a state and federal level can be prosecuted criminally if 162 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 1: whatever a person has done rises to that level. Okay, 163 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: so you can. 164 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 2: Take it as webinized AI or since nothing has been proven, 165 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 2: this is unsubstantiated gossip. 166 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: Right And I look, like I said, had a conversation 167 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: with the lawmaker whose wife is at the center of 168 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: this this morning. Again his his request, and I've got 169 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: a feeling that you don't know for sure that they 170 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: may be making a statement in the near future. Again, 171 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: don't want to put words in their mouth that don't 172 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: know what action they're going to take. But that person 173 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: is aware that his wife is at the center of this. 174 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: They're taking it very serious and exploring all their legal options. 175 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: So just like the headline itself, and who knows where 176 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: this is going to go and who knows what's going 177 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: to ultimately come out of this, but this has the 178 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: potential to be a massive story or if it somehow 179 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 1: totally gets disproven, a nationally known quantity in the journalism 180 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: world has really put himself out there. 181 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 2: Well, you do have the Lieutenant Governor on record saying 182 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 2: it didn't happen, and if it did happen, it's a 183 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: fireable offense. 184 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: Because a major part of this story, or a part 185 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: of this story, I guess you would say, is that 186 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: allegedly correct me if I'm wrong in this story? He claims, 187 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: he being Lobianco claims the writer of the article right 188 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: that Micah was made aware of this or was aware 189 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: of this. 190 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 2: Right, Well, he definitely says that the Lieutenant Governor, chief 191 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 2: of staff Okay was made aware of it, including some 192 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 2: ethics officials Okay, very good, But he said it was 193 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 2: unclear if an official complaint was ever filed with the 194 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 2: Indiana Ethics Commission or the Inspector Jen Okay. 195 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: Very good. Thank you for clarifying that.