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Speaker 1: guys are staying busy with the culture. It's a lot

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Speaker 1: more fun to cover a team that's winning than one

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Speaker 1: that's like if they were three and five right now

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Speaker 1: again and having the same old questions all the time

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Speaker 1: that we've had over the last five or six years.

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Speaker 1: It's got to be nice to at least write new

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Speaker 1: things this year.

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Speaker 3: Yeh, I don't think I've ever written a they should

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Speaker 3: buy the trade deadline. But that's where I'm at here

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Speaker 3: on this six days before the NFL trade deadline.

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Speaker 1: All right. And he had a Pacers on the floor

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Speaker 1: again tonight eight o'clock the airtime here at ninety three

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Speaker 1: five and one o seveny five the fan then tip

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Speaker 1: at eight thirty against the Dallas Mavericks. James Boyd and

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Speaker 1: Kevin Bowen had their weekly conversation with Rick Carlisle yesterday,

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Speaker 1: and we've been getting a lot of questions on the

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Speaker 1: text line Kevin about whether or not all these injuries

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Speaker 1: to start the season, could they be traced back to

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Speaker 1: all the games that the Pacers played last year, going

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Speaker 1: to the very last game seven of the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 1: What were your thoughts on that was you were getting

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Speaker 1: ready to ask that to Rick.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm more in a Tiger Woods hat today,

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Speaker 3: not a medical hat for a reason. There's nothing I'm

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Speaker 3: less educated on than anything medically related. But in terms

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Speaker 3: of my general thoughts, before you know, Rick hit on

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Speaker 3: it yesterday, I thought, Okay, maybe the hamstring injuries you

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Speaker 3: can point to. You know, they have had a few

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Speaker 3: of those, But even then, like, are we really saying

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Speaker 3: Quentin Jackson's hamstring is because he played one hundred games

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Speaker 3: last year. No, I mean no, I mean he wasn't

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe TJ McConnell falls into a little

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Speaker 3: bit of that boat. But like you watched Bendic Matherin's injury,

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Speaker 3: you watch Andrew Namhard's injury, and none of that to

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Speaker 3: me is from like wear and tear. That's just lucas

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Speaker 3: stuff that can happen on a basketball floor. Nonetheless, Rick

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Speaker 3: Carlisle shared a little bit on that yesterday, not like this.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, we went through the brawl stuff

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Speaker 4: that time. But this is a different you know, one

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Speaker 4: so very possible playing that number of games may may

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Speaker 4: of these injuries really something related to a left shoulder,

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Speaker 4: But uh, you know, Ben stepping on a guy's foot

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Speaker 4: more than anything. But it's an interesting coincidence.

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Speaker 1: It is an interesting, interesting coincidence, and I think it

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Speaker 1: mostly is coincidence. It's still hard for me to wrap

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Speaker 1: my head around the fact, James, that you have some

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Speaker 1: of the most fit young athletes on the planet. And yes,

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Speaker 1: for me to imagine that that has a direct correlation

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Speaker 5: I think it's just bad luck.

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Speaker 7: It happens to a lot of teams in this league. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 7: it's just feels like it's the Pacers turn. But at

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Speaker 7: the same time, you know they're not going to cry

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Speaker 5: Every other cliche out there as well.

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Speaker 7: I just think that with this team and the way

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Speaker 7: and figure it out because at the same time, there

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Speaker 7: look it up myself. But yeah, I think my excitement,

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Speaker 7: I would probably just lean more into Okay, jars Walker,

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Speaker 7: how are you developing? Hell, Mac mcclun, can you just

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Speaker 7: there and see if you can run the offense. He's

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Speaker 7: someone who's got a unique backstory, so he ken he's

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Speaker 7: stick in the league. But I'm looking more towards development

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Speaker 7: more than anything, especially early on, considering the amount of

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Speaker 7: I guess his fortunate news that according to I believe

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Speaker 7: little bit of work. Don't know what that means as

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Speaker 7: it's a it's less of a major injury, just something

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Speaker 7: the vibes are certainly a lot different than they were

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Speaker 7: just four months ago when you're competing for everything in

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Speaker 7: the game seven to the NBA Finals, And for.

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Speaker 3: Me, I think it's Walker James. I mean, that is

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Speaker 5: Think I have a question for you about that actually too,

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Speaker 3: Think the thought was he was already going to have

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Speaker 3: even if you don't view him as a starter, which

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Speaker 3: Aeronyesmith and jars Walker? Is that where you would go

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Speaker 7: So my question is what is Jaris Walker's role number one?

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Speaker 7: Because I feel like we talk about this every year

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Speaker 7: then two, is it easier or is it harder for

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Speaker 7: him to find his role when you're down so many

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Speaker 7: guys Because everyone keeps saying he has more opportunity, But

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Speaker 7: I feel like that's more opportunity to perhaps be more confused,

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Speaker 5: So what did that look like?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that's the hardest question about this entire season.

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Speaker 3: Let's just start there everything because with Tyre's Halliburton, Bennedic

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Speaker 3: Matherns role is different, Andrew Denmard's role is different. True,

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Speaker 5: All out there.

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Speaker 7: Hey, Jerris, you can run the point, you can play

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Speaker 7: center if you want to. Tonight we don't have any players.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's probably a little with this current iteration, it's

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Speaker 3: probably a little bit more offensively minded. You like, you

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Speaker 3: Nie Smith would largely get the first call on that. Now,

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Speaker 3: you know, maybe you want to alleviate some of the stress

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Speaker 3: so maybe Jerris takes on more of that second kind

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Speaker 3: sixteen to eighteen point night guy. I mean, that's just

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Speaker 3: I was like, listen to what Jeff just meant. Maybe

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Speaker 3: Mac McClung. I mean, forty eight hours ago you would

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Speaker 3: have been like, wait, what is there a dunk contest

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Speaker 3: on Halloween night in Indy? What is Mac McClung doing here?

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Speaker 3: And now he could be yeah, you're starting pointing. Maybe

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Speaker 3: maybe it's point forward Jaris Walker. So yeah, James, it

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Speaker 3: is a good question because I think there are some

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Speaker 3: people out there that are like, screw it, just have Jarris,

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Speaker 3: you know, be a little bit of a point forward.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that's necessarily the route you want

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Speaker 3: to go, but again, can he provide some consistent scoring

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Speaker 3: for you? Because right now you just desperately, desperately need it.

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Speaker 1: Well, the schedule is what the schedule is. This time

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Speaker 1: of year, it's fairly unrelenting. Right They're on a road

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Speaker 1: first chance to see kind of Cooper flag and some

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Speaker 1: of the other things that are going on there, obviously,

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Speaker 1: but it just doesn't get any easier because you got

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Speaker 1: at least at home. Then they play Golden State the

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Speaker 1: immediately have back to backs and then you get a

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Speaker 1: day off before you play Monday at home against Milwaukee,

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Speaker 1: then it's back out on the road for four or

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Speaker 1: five straight. That schedule is not conducive to guys trying

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Speaker 7: Got beef with Steph Curry because how dare you come

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Speaker 7: to the state of Indiana your one time you play

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Speaker 7: the Pittsburgh game. You should have consulted with me and

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Speaker 7: kind of with the NBA and rescheduled that game. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: Who's the best college basketball or football coach in the state,

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Speaker 1: Would you rather have right now? Marcus Freeman, Kurt Signetti.

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Speaker 1: Think about that state wide roster of head coaches.

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Speaker 1: It's fantastic, and hopefully it sets us up for just

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Speaker 1: Which is insane.

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Speaker 7: you know, Marcus Freeman didn't exactly take over a bad program,

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Speaker 7: and Notre Dame, by the way.

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Speaker 3: Took over for your favorite coach, right a team that

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Speaker 3: was not playing for a national championship. I know that I'm.

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Speaker 9: There with my family, Okay, O man, all right, great

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Speaker 9: conversation about head coaches and just how important they are

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Speaker 9: to college football teams right now.

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Speaker 3: But again, kiss my ass.

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Speaker 1: You've only said that like three times this week. We

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Speaker 1: should still get a counter.

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Speaker 2: Going on that.

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Speaker 7: I always say the grass and green, but that man

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Speaker 7: got a lot of money. Life is still pretty green.

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Speaker 3: I wish you what's he do TV?

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Speaker 7: I think he gets higher. There's so many coaches coach

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Speaker 7: openings right now. If he coaches again, I think he

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Speaker 7: definitely coaches again.

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Speaker 1: Would you be shocked if he showed up at Penn State?

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Speaker 3: Gosh, I mean there's part of me I thinks, Okay,

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Speaker 3: Penn State, that's a decent higher But boy, Penn State

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Speaker 3: and likable head coaches talk about things that don't go

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Speaker 3: hand in hands.

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Speaker 10: Say, can you imagine that transition James Franklin to Brian Kelly?

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Speaker 3: Can you hate our coach more? By the way, got

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Speaker 3: your hand at this? Would you be bitching about the

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Speaker 3: band in the basement of Lucas Oil? Mark, like James Franklin.

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Speaker 1: Was, anonymous Texter says that Moda is not a slouch either,

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Speaker 1: That Mada hell of the history. Yeah, so Greig wants

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Speaker 1: you to know, don't forget Brian Kelly as an emeritus coach.

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Speaker 3: Kevin's I probably should appreciate what Brian Kelly did. A

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Speaker 3: bit more back on track.

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Speaker 1: Richard Arsas, let's not forget Scott Hey. Some amazing coaches

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Speaker 1: around here, certainly are Mark. Take us to break my friend.

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Speaker 1: We got Stephen Holder on the other side at ninety

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Speaker 1: three five and one of seven five. I haven't heard

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Speaker 1: that one for a while. Mark dykeson Mark, are you

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Speaker 1: cooking something up with these re entries?

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Speaker 2: Today?

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Speaker 10: On TV theme songs? Best TV themes songs? So we

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Speaker 10: had Family Matters already fresh Prince of l Air.

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Speaker 3: Family Matters had me moving a little.

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Speaker 10: Bit theme song. That's such a great show.

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Speaker 3: Is there any particular reason why?

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Speaker 10: Nope, just I was thinking about it for a while.

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Speaker 10: I'm like, oh, it should be. It would be fun

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Speaker 10: just do like re entries of like awesome TV show intros.

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Speaker 10: So I'm like, today's the day we're doing it.

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Speaker 1: I put in a request for later on sure which uh.

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Speaker 10: I love Lucy theme?

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Speaker 1: Do you want come on magnum p I okay, it's

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Speaker 1: one of the great ones right there.

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Speaker 5: He said, I love Lucy.

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Speaker 1: You would think I'm like one hundred and seventy.

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Speaker 3: I was curious what stereotypical old show Mark was gonna name,

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Speaker 3: and I love Lucy maxed up.

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Speaker 1: Crazy Steven Holder, what's your all time favorite TV theme?

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Speaker 1: I know you've got one, my friend.

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Speaker 8: Oh my god, you know I I don't know that

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Speaker 8: the song was really all that big a deal. But

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Speaker 8: when I was like eight years old, when the theme

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Speaker 8: song for Chips Patrol came on.

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Speaker 2: I was like I lost it. I was like glued

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Speaker 2: to the TV. So I think I.

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Speaker 8: Wanted to be Officer Punch when I was like when

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Speaker 8: I was like seven years old.

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Speaker 1: So I think we all did.

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Speaker 2: James has no idea what we're talking about.

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Speaker 5: I was going to say, bro, look, I was gonna

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Speaker 5: just keep it going. I was going lay low.

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Speaker 7: But since you put it out there, yeah, I have

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Speaker 7: no idea what you mean by officer or anything.

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Speaker 2: Your dad definitely watched that show.

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Speaker 8: There it is, there, it is, oh Na, this is

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Speaker 8: a classic, like it still started in the seventies. I

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Speaker 8: did not watch it in the seventies, to be claire,

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Speaker 8: I was.

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Speaker 2: I thought it like I probably thought of like nineteen

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Speaker 2: eighty two.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, such as the effect of that show though

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Speaker 1: when you watch it as a as a young person

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Speaker 1: or a kid. My son and I were in Los

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Speaker 1: Angeles week before last, and every time I would see

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Speaker 1: a State Highway Patrol motorcycle on the freeway, Yeah, oh,

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Speaker 1: I thought, was it's I told my son, and he

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Speaker 1: looked at me like I had three heads. Hey, there's

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Speaker 1: Chips right there, and he's like, what are you talking about?

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Speaker 8: The Colts had an escort coming into the stadium and

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Speaker 8: it was Chips, it was it was Officer Pounch the motorcycle.

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Speaker 2: It was the full circle moment.

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Speaker 1: Steven Holder at ESPN dot com joined us on the

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Speaker 1: Payless Lookers hotline this morning, the seven and one Indianapolis Colts.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna throw that out there and let you

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Speaker 1: pontificate the seven and one Indianapolis Colts. Steven, all right, so.

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Speaker 2: Let's do this.

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Speaker 8: I'll repeat what I said to Jake on the midday

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Speaker 8: Show yesterday. They are the most complete team in the

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Speaker 8: NFL period. Yeah, I said that, And here's let me

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Speaker 8: give you the context. The context is this, Obviously, there's

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Speaker 8: no weaknesses on their offense. I mean, they're not even

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Speaker 8: really a team that's built around the quarterback, even even

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Speaker 8: though no one is taking any credit away from Daniel

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Speaker 8: Jones obviously, right, but they are perfectly built. You can't

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Speaker 8: stop the run, you can't stop the pass, you you

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Speaker 8: can't seize on any one guy. So pretty impenetrable there. Defensively,

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Speaker 8: I think they're going to continue to get better. I

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Speaker 8: don't look at I don't look at this team and say, well,

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Speaker 8: let me rephrase that, if they get there, if they

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Speaker 8: get their secondary back intact, I think that will definitely

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Speaker 8: be true, right, that will no longer be as much

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Speaker 8: of a weakness. And so I like what they have

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Speaker 8: up front as long as they can kind of, you know,

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Speaker 8: buy them some time to get to the quarterback with

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Speaker 8: an actual secondary that's not made up of practice squad

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Speaker 8: players when this team is healthy, and it will be.

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Speaker 8: This is I think the most complete team in the NFL.

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Speaker 8: And special teams, by the way, not too bad, they're either.

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Speaker 5: So Steven, I do want to pivot to Johnathan Tate.

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Speaker 7: And I know you all at ESPN usually put out

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Speaker 7: all these crazy stats, and there are times and I'll

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Speaker 7: troll you in the press box because I'm like, all right,

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Speaker 7: enough is enough. You know, this is the first guy

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Speaker 7: since to do this on a Tuesday, since the merging

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Speaker 7: of like you know, Earth or something like that, and

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Speaker 7: I'm like, all right, like that's enough. But I would

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Speaker 7: say all of us have pulled like just great simple

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Speaker 7: crazy facts, like one of them being that JT leads

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Speaker 7: a league in scrimmage touchdowns and he's on pace that

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Speaker 7: over thirty touchdowns, and if he is able to do that,

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Speaker 7: he'd be the first guy since Ladenian Tomins in two

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Speaker 7: thousand and six who won MVP. So all that to say,

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Speaker 7: how realistic do you think it is for him to

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Speaker 7: actually win that award? Given that he is a running back?

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Speaker 7: But two, he's on a team that's operating at a

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Speaker 7: historic place offensively.

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Speaker 8: So I will say this though, the last time we

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Speaker 8: had this conversation about Jonvin Taylor, which was what twenty

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Speaker 8: twenty one, because it was a topic back then, I

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Speaker 8: think his candidacy at that point was much less realistic

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Speaker 8: because the team was just kind of you know, he

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Speaker 8: didn't have at least you couldn't demonstrate that he had

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Speaker 8: the impact. Here, it's a much stronger argument now. Do

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Speaker 8: I think he's going to win it? I don't, just

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Speaker 8: because I think voters are conditioned to vote for quarterbacks. However,

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Speaker 8: this might be a perfect storm if there ever was one.

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Speaker 8: You know, where's Lamar Jackson right now? Who knows?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 8: I mean the guy who seems to win it every

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Speaker 8: other year, Josh Allen is the is the current MVP

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Speaker 8: from last year? Is he worthy of it? Right now,

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Speaker 8: I would say no. Now, Patrick Mahoons is going to

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Speaker 8: make a run, I have no doubt because that's what

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Speaker 8: he does. So we'll see what happens there. But I mean,

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Speaker 8: outside of that, who are we talking about. I've heard

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Speaker 8: the name Drake May, which I don't hate. I mean,

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Speaker 8: I really think the Patriots are putting together and he

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Speaker 8: is playing great and he also plays quarterback. But I mean,

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Speaker 8: all I'm saying is, if there was ever a time

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Speaker 8: when a court, excuse me, when a running back in

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Speaker 8: today's age was going to have a shot, this is

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Speaker 8: probably it. And what he's doing is within the context

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Speaker 8: of the best offense in the NFL, and I think

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Speaker 8: that matters a lot. So this this could be a storyline.

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Speaker 3: We'll see ESPN where can find the work of Steven

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Speaker 3: Holders with us here on the Payless Slickers hotline. Stephen

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Speaker 3: trade deadline six days away. We saw a couple of

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Speaker 3: moves around the league here earlier this week. The Colts,

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Speaker 3: we wait and see, what do you think would be

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Speaker 3: a reason why they would not make a move? Well,

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Speaker 3: I just strictly they love draft picks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah they do.

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Speaker 8: And and look, I mean I've I've thought about this right, like,

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Speaker 8: you know, the whole idea that you know, Chris Ballard

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Speaker 8: doesn't like to part with his draft picks. But I

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Speaker 8: was also thinking at one point, all right, well this year,

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Speaker 8: all bets are off because you guys are about to

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Speaker 8: get fired if you don't get it together. Well, ain't

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Speaker 8: nobody getting fired now, Okay, I'm here to tell you

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Speaker 8: if this thing keeps up, I don't even know that

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Speaker 8: that's even a topic of conversation.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 8: So therefore, Chris Ballard is probably thinking long term again,

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Speaker 8: and he should be. But I just wonder, you know,

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Speaker 8: he's trying to strike that balance and he always is,

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Speaker 8: and what does that How does that influence him?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Now.

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Speaker 8: I do think this is an opportunity they've never had

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Speaker 8: this season generally. So I don't think you make a

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Speaker 8: trade for the sake of making a trade. It has

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Speaker 8: to be something that makes a difference. I think some

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Speaker 8: of these pass rushers that have been mentioned, they have

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Speaker 8: guys like that already, you know, and you'd just be

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Speaker 8: adding more of what you already have and there's only

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Speaker 8: so many snaps. Does that make a concerted difference in

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Speaker 8: the outcome? I don't think so. Now, if you can

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Speaker 8: get someone that is a game changer, and then that's

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Speaker 8: a different conversation, and there you're willing to give up

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Speaker 8: a more substance of package of picks, obviously, But I

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Speaker 8: hesitate to predict they're going to make a move, just

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Speaker 8: because I don't know that the moves that will make

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Speaker 8: a difference for them are our move that Chris Ballard

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Speaker 8: would entertain.

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Speaker 2: But we'll see.

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Speaker 1: It's talking to Stephenholder ESPN dot com here on the

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Speaker 1: Payless Slickers hotline. Could you imagine you and I having

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Speaker 1: a conversation over coffee three years ago and I say,

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Speaker 1: you know, don't worry about anything, Steven. In a few

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Speaker 1: years Daniel Jones will be starting at quarterback for the Colts.

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Speaker 1: They're going to be seven to one. They'll be taking

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Speaker 1: on Pittsburgh quarterback by Aaron Rodgers. Could you have imagined

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Speaker 1: that conversation over coffee three years ago.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 8: I think one of the things that I think has

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Speaker 8: changed so much in the NFL in recent years is

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Speaker 8: the quarterback movement. You know, and there was there's always

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Speaker 8: been quarterback movement, right, I mean, guys play somewhere for

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Speaker 8: a long time at the end of their career as

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Speaker 8: they move on to another place, and Philip Rivers did

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Speaker 8: it here, et cetera. Right, But it's becoming, I think,

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Speaker 8: a more frequent phenomenon now, and and and they're changing

657
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Speaker 8: teams more often. I mean, Aaron Rodgers is gonna this

658
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Speaker 8: is what is Thirdeam. I think this is it.

659
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Speaker 2: But I mean my.

660
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Speaker 8: Point is it's just become it's become a much more

661
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Speaker 8: commonplace thing. And I think the reason for it is

662
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Speaker 8: you you know, teams want to draft quarterbacks, clearly, but

663
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Speaker 8: that is also such a dicey proposition. And and when

664
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Speaker 8: you draft them now you're expected to play them, and

665
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Speaker 8: that's just so hard. I mean, we know that as

666
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Speaker 8: much as anybody in this market, and playing them immediately

667
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Speaker 8: is such a hard thing to accomplish and to do

668
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Speaker 8: to do well, that there are gonna be teams that

669
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Speaker 8: are just gonna say, we can't afford to go that route.

670
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Speaker 8: And and you're seeing a lot more of that now.

671
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Speaker 8: So I don't know, I don't know if this is

672
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Speaker 8: making any sense, but I just think the quarterback movement

673
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Speaker 8: and the motivations behind it and the dynamics of it

674
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Speaker 8: all has evolved so much and it continues to do that,

675
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Speaker 8: you know, consistently every year.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look what's.

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Speaker 8: Happened with Daniel Jones and Sam Donald this year will

678
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Speaker 8: only increase. I think the likelihood of some of this

679
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Speaker 8: happening more and more.

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Speaker 5: Steven, Who is the best coach wide receiver this season?

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Speaker 8: That is a hard question, and that's a good thing.

682
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Speaker 8: I mean, ask me today, ask me tomorrow, ask me Thursday,

683
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Speaker 8: I mean Friday. I might give you different answers. I

684
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Speaker 8: think I will say the most consistent is Michael Pittman Jr.

685
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Speaker 8: That's not the question, right, And who's the best I

686
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Speaker 8: don't know. I think I think it's whoever Saint Styken

687
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Speaker 8: want it to be, you know, because a lot of

688
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Speaker 8: it is predicated on who do I want the ball

689
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Speaker 8: to go to? Because he can do that right that

690
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Speaker 8: his scheme is very verse. And then Daniel Jones is

691
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Speaker 8: doing a good job obviously of going to the receiver

692
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Speaker 8: that makes the most sense, so they have a good

693
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Speaker 8: thing going. I will say, I really do think Michael

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Speaker 8: Pittman deserves a lot of credit.

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Speaker 2: For his touchdowns this season. I think he's what got

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Speaker 2: six I believe, yep, which matches a career high. If

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Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken.

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Speaker 8: I mean, that's a pretty impressive thing to say about

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Speaker 8: a guy who's effectively been their number one receiver for

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Speaker 8: a long time. I think that's been a criticism of him,

701
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Speaker 8: a very valid criticism that, like, buddy, you got to

702
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Speaker 8: put points on the board at that position. When you're

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Speaker 8: getting as many balls as he has over the last

704
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Speaker 8: few years, I think he has fallen very short on

705
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Speaker 8: the touchdowns. So for whatever reason, lots of things, I think,

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Speaker 8: lots of factors, I think, but him getting into the

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Speaker 8: end zone this year I think is very impressive, and

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Speaker 8: I think it's like the cherry on top and what

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Speaker 8: was missing in his game. So I give him a

710
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Speaker 8: lot of credit for that. I say, Michael Pittman, I

711
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Speaker 8: guess by default. But the ball can go to anybody

712
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Speaker 8: on any given day.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think Alec Pierce is a decent case. I

714
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Speaker 7: think he's a more developed receiver than he's been early

715
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Speaker 7: in his career, and he still has some of the

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Speaker 7: best catches he'll see on some of those deep balls.

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Speaker 7: But then on top of that, the reason I asked

718
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Speaker 7: that is because talking to Pittman after Sunday's game, he said, yeah,

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Speaker 7: I'm glad to have six touchdowns and obviously he's you know,

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Speaker 7: keeping track, but at the same time, he was like,

721
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Speaker 7: I have to make the play because I don't know

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Speaker 7: if I'm going to get the ball again. And I

723
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Speaker 7: thought that was like the most like selfish but unselfish answer.

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Speaker 5: If that makes sense.

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Speaker 8: It is, and it is the beauty of the Colts offense,

726
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Speaker 8: honestly and shame Stikeen says it all the time. We

727
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Speaker 8: want to be multiple, and it sounds like coach speak,

728
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Speaker 8: and it is coach speak, but it's also true. He

729
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Speaker 8: is a big believer and not allowing a defense to

730
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Speaker 8: pin them down, you know. I mean it's like it's

731
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Speaker 8: maybe it's like a basketball team, right. I always use

732
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Speaker 8: these basketball analogies. I mean, you can go double a

733
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Speaker 8: guy who gets thirty a night. But if you're a

734
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Speaker 8: balance scoring team, I mean take Pacers last year, right,

735
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Speaker 8: I mean the ball moved and everybody could score the ball. Right,

736
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Speaker 8: It's a little bit like that. I think those are

737
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Speaker 8: harder teams to defend in terms of your strategy.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying you.

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Speaker 8: Can go stop the guy who can get thirty five

740
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Speaker 8: at night. I'm not saying that's easy. But you know

741
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Speaker 8: where the ball is going right that you can devote

742
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Speaker 8: resources to that you can strategize for that. What's the

743
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Speaker 8: strategy when the ball can go to any one of

744
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Speaker 8: five people any play and if none of them get it, oh,

745
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Speaker 8: just check it down to the best running back in

746
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Speaker 8: the NFL.

747
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Speaker 2: So good luck with that, Steven.

748
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Speaker 3: I want to go back to you know you were

749
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Speaker 3: saying the Colts are the most complete team. I feel

750
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Speaker 3: like it's more of a Your offense is an A plus,

751
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Speaker 3: A plus plus plus plus, and your defense is like,

752
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Speaker 3: I don't know a C plus right now? Where's other

753
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Speaker 3: teams only might have like B plus B plus for example,

754
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Speaker 3: or like I look at I don't know Detroit or

755
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Speaker 3: Green Bay or maybe Kansas City. Like to me, the

756
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Speaker 3: Colts right now are the best team in the NFL

757
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Speaker 3: because their offense is historically great, not because of their

758
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Speaker 3: overall completion. Is that where you would disagree with that?

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Speaker 2: Well? So I get it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, the defense, I think the eye tests on the

761
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Speaker 8: defense raises a lot of questions. I mean I see

762
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Speaker 8: the same games you see, right. I do take the

763
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Speaker 8: injuries into account a lot, and you know, look, they

764
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Speaker 8: are what they are. We can't pretend they don't exist.

765
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Speaker 8: Those guys are not out there. So that's a real thing.

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Speaker 8: What I will say, and I think lou Ana Rumo

767
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Speaker 8: alluded to this. They're not giving up necessarily the huge

768
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Speaker 8: numbers of points. And then the other thing is their

769
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Speaker 8: efficiency ratings are pretty good, and I am Look, you know,

770
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Speaker 8: James is making fun of our advanced stats, and I

771
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Speaker 8: do too, But I will say this, I think those

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Speaker 8: things tend to ring true when you really look at

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Speaker 8: it in reality, when you look at like who who,

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Speaker 8: the teams are that rank high, and like things like

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Speaker 8: DVOA and efficiency ratings and things of that nature, they

776
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Speaker 8: tend to pan out when you really think about it

777
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Speaker 8: and you really look at it in depth. And I

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Speaker 8: just think at the end of the day, like they're

779
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Speaker 8: giving up a lot of They're giving up a lot

780
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Speaker 8: of yards, no question about it. Some of that as

781
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Speaker 8: a product of the fact that they are leading, in

782
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Speaker 8: many cases by three touchdowns. You're going to give up

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Speaker 8: yards when teams are throwing the ball, you know, forty

784
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Speaker 8: forty five times a game, which is what they're facing, right,

785
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Speaker 8: So I get I think it's a little skewed. I

786
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 8: don't think they're a great defense, but I think they're

787
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Speaker 8: good enough. And I also would say, look look around

788
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Speaker 8: the league. There aren't a lot of teams playing playing

789
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Speaker 8: you know, lockdown, knockout defense right now. I mean, you know,

790
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 8: scoring is high, all these things. So I don't I

791
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 8: don't know that they're like a huge outlier there. I

792
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 8: think their defense is fine and adequate and will get better,

793
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Speaker 8: perhaps substantially better, you know, with some return from injuries.

794
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Speaker 8: So you know, I don't know what the grade is,

795
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Speaker 8: but I think it's it's worthy. It's they have a

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Speaker 8: worthy defense, I would say.

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Speaker 7: According to ESPN Stats and Info, Jonathan Taylor is the

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Speaker 7: first player to have three touchdowns and a dome on

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Speaker 7: a Sunday in October since you know Willie Lee Smith.

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Speaker 5: In nineteen probably true.

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Speaker 2: Man, look there's not roof.

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Speaker 7: I'm like, is this you know it is English for

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Speaker 7: he's just good, you know.

804
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Speaker 5: So I appreciate you having a little fun there, Steven.

805
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Speaker 8: Hey, listen, there's a whole there's a whole uh department

806
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Speaker 8: of of nerds that are really good that stuff. So

807
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 8: I got to show them their love, uh, you know.

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00:37:58,719 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 3: Some respect.

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Speaker 7: And I I have used a couple of my stories

810
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Speaker 7: when they fit, you know, what I'm writing, So thank

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Speaker 7: you for that.

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Speaker 8: So listen, listen those guys, those guys studied really hard

813
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Speaker 8: in MAP class, So like, hey, let's give them their problem.

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Speaker 1: Uh, you got forty eight hours to go find a

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Speaker 1: Chips Halloween costume to answer the door in there. There

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Speaker 1: you go.

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Speaker 7: Uh, this is some short short down about to say,

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Speaker 7: you'll be scaring the neighbors.

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Speaker 5: Man, I don't want to see you on the news

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Speaker 5: all that.

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Speaker 3: Lawrence p d A.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, I think I think our segment is over.

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Speaker 1: They Mark Dyton another blast from the TV past. There.

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Speaker 1: Oh god.

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Speaker 10: I thought every high school girl was gonna look at

826
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Speaker 10: Kelly Kapowski back in the day. But I can't wait

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Speaker 10: to get to high school.

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Speaker 3: Mark's having Lisa Turtle walks around the corner. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: shout out screech. Dick Belding as the president.

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Speaker 1: Principle, I should say, Good Times Marks another good show.

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Speaker 3: Good Times is also very.

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Speaker 1: Jj J what was the name JJ? I forget what

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Speaker 1: was his last name was. I'll think about it a minute.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, say, by the Bells probably what I've consumed

835
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Speaker 3: the most in my life, frankly, of any TV show.

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Speaker 7: Okay, I am trying to think of mine, I would

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Speaker 7: venture to guess I might go Martin or the Waynees Bros.

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Speaker 3: Wayne, I love my favorite one.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, those are the two.

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Speaker 1: Back on the w B one of my favorites. Speaking

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Speaker 1: of those guys, John with this phone Fridays? Did you

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Speaker 1: ever ever watched its? Probably before your time Fridays. It

843
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: was kind of a the Foxes answer to Saturday to uh,

844
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Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live. It was in Living Colors, said Friday.

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Speaker 10: Like the movies there was there was there was a

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Speaker 10: show Colors Friday and then that was like in the

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Speaker 10: eighties in living.

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Speaker 1: Color was also read living Color.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Tony East joins us now in the Payloft Lickers Hotline.

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Speaker 1: Tell me what was your favorite kind of go to

853
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: fun TV show back in the day.

854
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Speaker 2: I wasn't as cool as you guys.

855
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Speaker 6: I was just a dorky cartoon kid.

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Speaker 1: That's all right. What cartoons? Did you like?

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Speaker 3: Rocket Power?

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Speaker 2: I did like Rock Power quite a bit. That's a

859
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Speaker 2: good show.

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Speaker 6: I honestly don't know if I could pick a favorite.

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Speaker 6: This is not an easy decision.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, we'll get back to you on that.

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Speaker 3: It was a guitar hero all American. Tony East, I

864
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Speaker 3: think it was people forget about that.

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Speaker 5: I did not know this. Can you explain the bas.

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Speaker 3: What do you mean Jonathan Taylor guitar?

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Speaker 5: I really didn't know.

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Speaker 3: Daniel Jones and Jonathan Taylor had a baby for guitars,

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Speaker 3: it'd be Tony.

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Speaker 5: East, Tony, can you explain this Guitar Hero tutorials?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the first way I made money was being

873
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Speaker 6: one of the best players in the game and uploading

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Speaker 6: videos to YouTube. Good times, Good times.

875
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 5: You are such a unique person. As a compliment, Tony,

876
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 5: can you play a real guitar?

877
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 3: I asked that in all seriousness.

878
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 6: No, I cannot, which is part of the embarrassing answer

879
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 6: to that. Okay, I cannot.

880
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: This didn't inspire you to actually learn how to play guitar.

881
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 6: They're very different experiences. The strings go a different direction.

882
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 6: There's yeah, no, it's very different. I don't even know

883
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 6: how or why Guitar Hero became a thing in my life,

884
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:05,720
Speaker 6: but it happened so fast.

885
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: Uh, it's crazy.

886
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 6: It's crazy. What's happened to that game?

887
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you. What also has happened so fast,

888
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: Tony is the dwindling of the roster for the Indiana

889
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: Pacers and I was smooth transition. It's just getting beautiful.

890
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: It's just getting insane, though, Tony, isn't it. I Mean,

891
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: we've never seen anything like this for the Pacers before,

892
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: have we?

893
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 6: And it's really crazy. I mean, and and you know,

894
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 6: every time I'm talking about their injury situation, I'm trying

895
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 6: to run through all the players that are hurt, like

896
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 6: I forget somebody because there's so many guys. I can't

897
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 6: recall them all off the top of my head. And

898
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 6: you know, it's just it's remarkable, and specifically for their

899
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 6: situation now they you know, last year they had all

900
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 6: the center injuries early in the season, right everybody was

901
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 6: hurt at center, so in Miles would miss a game

902
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 6: that were just toast and they had to make all

903
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 6: these moves. This year it's guard and it's literally everybody.

904
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 6: It's not just point guards where last year was center.

905
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 6: It's both guards sponsored on a four guards total and

906
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 6: a one they just signed. It's just it's crazy how

907
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 6: much they've already had to do something to just feel

908
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 6: the team. That makes any sense, Tony.

909
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 3: We saw the mac McClung news of course yesterday. Are

910
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 3: they in the qualification at all for the medical hardship

911
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 3: like could we see and now I'm dating back to

912
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 3: India in a fever season this year, could we see

913
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 3: like some a ten day edition or two?

914
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, the heart the hardship world are different. For NBA

915
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 6: and WNBA. There is an NBA version. You have to

916
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 6: have four guys missed three games and those four guys

917
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 6: have to be out for two more weeks from the

918
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 6: time of their missing their third game, which is confusing

919
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 6: for the Pacers because some of their guys who have

920
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 6: already missed three games may not.

921
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 2: Be out for two more weeks.

922
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 6: We'll see what happens on that reevaluation date of November

923
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 6: ninths for TJ McConnell and Cam Jones and some of

924
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 6: their guys who might be out for that that long

925
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 6: like Ben Matheren and Obi Todbin have not upen out

926
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 6: for three games quite yet. Matherin's only missed one game

927
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 6: in full and the same and Toping has a missedak

928
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 6: games in foll yet because he got hurt in the

929
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 6: most recent games. So it depends on the return dates

930
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 6: for some players. It's possible that if Jones is out

931
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 6: for a long time and toping. The Mathern are out

932
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 6: for a long time. I think after the Golden State

933
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 6: game on Saturday they could be eligible for one. But

934
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 6: you know, if Jones isn't set to return earlier then,

935
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 6: or set a return close to his reevaluation day, that

936
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 6: might not even be possible. So it really just depends

937
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 6: on the timelines of their current players, and they're going

938
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 6: to get pretty easily. The three of the four needed

939
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 6: missing games, but they got to get to the fourth

940
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 6: if they actually get to get a hardship. So it

941
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 6: actually is hard for them that they have so many injuries,

942
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 6: yet none of them are super long term, at least

943
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 6: until now, and a lot of them are players who

944
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 6: are returning, like Quentin Jackson came back like that actually makes.

945
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 2: It harder for hard situation.

946
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 6: So it's it's still a TVD, but it's possible that

947
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 6: by the end of this week they do have one.

948
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 7: Well, Tony, I do know you have a direct line

949
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 7: of Rick Carlisle, so just you know, get his ear

950
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 7: a little bit and let him know that I've been

951
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 7: in the gym as of late.

952
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 5: The jumper does look too great.

953
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 7: I took a month off because of work, but I

954
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 7: can still get up and down the floor and offer

955
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 7: six fouls.

956
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 6: Yeah, Balin's been a problem for them. So you'll fit

957
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 6: right in on this team this year. But man, anybody's

958
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 6: that bad, Like they're trying guys out already in groups.

959
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 6: And I told you guys that yesterday morning, Like anyone

960
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 6: who can play and is in some sort of shape, like,

961
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 6: I do wonder how much for mcclong that he was

962
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 6: in camp with the Bulls and had started. I think

963
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 6: he had one or two practices with the Windy City Bulls,

964
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 6: Like he doesn't have to do what we saw in

965
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 6: preseason like campaign until on Wright, Like he's in game

966
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 6: shape now that that honestly is a boon for him.

967
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 2: That's gonna help.

968
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 7: So to that point, Tony, and again we have Tony.

969
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 7: He's joining us here on the Palos Lookers Hotline Tony

970
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 7: with Mac McClung. We know him as the three time

971
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 7: NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion, But for those who aren't

972
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 7: familiar with his actual basketball career, can you give us

973
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 7: the backstory there? I know he went undrafted out of

974
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 7: Texas Tech in twenty twenty one.

975
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 8: Ye, Yeah, he's.

976
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 6: Played for a bunch of teams for like two seconds, right,

977
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 6: A two way with the Lakers where he plays one game,

978
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 6: a ten day with the Bulls where he plays two games.

979
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 2: Right.

980
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 6: So he's played for four teams, but he's only played

981
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 6: six games. And I actually believe that this is his

982
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 6: first standard contract ever. Every other time he signed a

983
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 6: contract in the NBA to either have been a ten

984
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 6: day or a two way. So you know, that's the

985
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 6: kind of situation that he's been in his whole career

986
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 6: has been like right on that edge where teams are

987
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 6: interested in him, like he was on a two way

988
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 6: last year. The Magic said that maybe he could help

989
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 6: them in turn situations, but not quite good enough where

990
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 6: a team that's calt like he could really break in

991
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 6: to their I rotation. I'll say this, the Mad has

992
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 6: plaided the playoffs.

993
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 2: Last year.

994
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 6: They won their first round game. They were looking good.

995
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 6: They go down to Ostiola to play the Magic's G

996
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 6: League team and they got destroyed, clobbered in the game.

997
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 6: They gave up eighty points in the first half. Magna

998
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 6: Clung finished with thirty nine points and six assists. The

999
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 6: Magic made the G League finals. Now, granted, there's a

1000
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 6: lot of good league players who don't amount to much

1001
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 6: in the NBA, but he's kind of like right on

1002
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 6: that line, you know, in between the g vague and

1003
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 6: the pros, and some of those guys do end up

1004
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 6: being able to do something in the NBA, like Oshan

1005
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 6: Burssett became a multi year player for the Pacers. He

1006
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 6: was kind of right in that tier of player as well.

1007
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 6: So it's hard to project what his IMPACT's gonna be.

1008
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 6: His resume kind of suggests that he could be inconsistent

1009
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 6: and not you know, ready for a major NBA role,

1010
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 6: or maybe he is and we'll have the page off

1011
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 6: the seed, but that'll needam Like he'll probably be one

1012
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 6: of their four available guards today unless Taylan Peter has recovered,

1013
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 6: you know, more than the Andrew report suggests. So there's

1014
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 6: a chances already in their rotation. I think if he's

1015
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 6: able to, you know, get off the ball and make

1016
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 6: some shots to look good. But you could probably say

1017
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 6: that about any guard, and so it will be a

1018
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 6: change to see what impacts he can provide, because there's

1019
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 6: just not a lot of evidence to say what that's

1020
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 6: going to be.

1021
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 3: Tony East locked on Pacers where you hear his voice,

1022
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 3: it is a great listen, and we are very very

1023
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 3: grateful to have him in our market. Cover In the

1024
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 3: Pacers and Fever, Tony, give our audience a little bit

1025
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 3: of intro to your latest endeavor, Your newest endeavor, probably

1026
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 3: the best way to put it, Circle City Spin.

1027
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 6: Yeah. I started my own website because I felt like

1028
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 6: I wasn't covering the teams the right way all the time,

1029
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 6: especially after games, or enough quite frankly in some cases,

1030
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 6: via writing. And so I've been publishing some stuff there,

1031
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 6: including a really long thing I wrote yesterday about a

1032
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 6: huge question about the James Wiseman waiver that is completely

1033
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 6: not what you think if you read it, and I

1034
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,439
Speaker 6: hope it's a better way for you to learn about

1035
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 6: the Pacers and the Fever from somebody who's covered both

1036
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 6: teams for a long time. So it's been fun so far,

1037
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 6: and hopefully it could go somewhere fun. I'm having a good.

1038
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 3: Time Circle City Spin again, where you can find that

1039
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 3: very simple ad Circle City Spin over.

1040
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 7: When you took on it, you'll see Tony East like

1041
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 7: break dancing and spin in as the intro to the website.

1042
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 6: I'm actually playing guitar Hero on the homepage.

1043
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 3: That might be my new homepage after you say that, Tony,

1044
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 3: last one for me. Do you frequent YouTube much at all?

1045
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 6: A sort of sort of.

1046
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 3: I feel like every intro ad is a Leah Boston

1047
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 3: and her mom. Have you come across this commercial.

1048
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 6: I have seen? I have seen this commercial well play.

1049
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 6: Is it the one where they were like sitting together

1050
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 6: before the game in Minnesota?

1051
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1052
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I saw that one a lot during the

1053
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 6: playoffs too. Yes, it is very popular and it's adorable.

1054
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 6: Her mom is very nice. I've seen that all the time.

1055
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 3: That's literally all I have. I apologize I having some

1056
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 3: grand follow up on Hey, what's the latest in w

1057
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 3: you know, league talks and CBA this and that. But yeah,

1058
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 3: I have now signed up for Circuit.

1059
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 4: I can tell you that I.

1060
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 6: Would be very very very very very very surprised if

1061
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 6: there's an agreement by the deadline on Friday. I'll tell

1062
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,720
Speaker 6: you that it's this Friday, right, Yeah, the thirty first.

1063
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 2: Talking about trying to get an extent.

1064
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: Wasn't the WNBA talking about trying to get an extension?

1065
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, they can do that. Maybe that will be something

1066
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 6: that they agreed to. But like in these situations where

1067
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 6: you know, deadlines are what'sper actions and get these people

1068
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 6: to go. But what does an extension really do, Like,

1069
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 6: they're still going to be negotiating even if you don't

1070
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 6: have a CBA. So I perhaps that's the only thing

1071
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 6: we find out by Friday they extend the deadline. But

1072
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 6: I'm not particularly confident, nor.

1073
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: Is any reporter I've talked.

1074
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 6: To, than anything will be done by the end of

1075
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 6: the week.

1076
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: Do you think anything will be done by the time

1077
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: the season rolls around in late spring?

1078
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, the season will get things going, I think, But

1079
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 6: it's always tricky too, because their off season so condensed.

1080
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 6: All these players are playing in different leagues, and the

1081
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 6: draft is right after college is done. You know, they

1082
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 6: like they had and there's two new teams.

1083
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:30,240
Speaker 2: Right, they have a lot of.

1084
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,479
Speaker 6: Like external considerations to get something done in a certain

1085
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 6: amount of time to let those teams go and keep

1086
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 6: their lead going, especially at the time where they have

1087
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 6: a lot of momentum. But it's not gonna be easy.

1088
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 3: Tony last last one starting lineup for the Pacers tonight

1089
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 3: is what?

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Speaker 6: Oh geez, I mean they started a different group every

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Speaker 6: game so far. I think actually there's a chance they

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Speaker 6: would stick with the same group. They did in Memphis,

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Speaker 6: just because Dallas also plays a little big, but Derek

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Speaker 6: Lyvely and Daniel Gafford are doubtful, so maybe Dallas actually

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Speaker 6: won't be so big. So I'll predict that one of

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Speaker 6: the point guards actually does start this time, and it's

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Speaker 6: either Dennis or Jackson, and then Shephard Nesmith's Yakam in

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Speaker 6: a center. But I would not be surprised if they

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Speaker 6: stuck with that two center group again, just because it's

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Speaker 6: one of the only ways they can feel the rotation

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Speaker 6: that makes sense of players that have been on the

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Speaker 6: team for more than two seconds.

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Speaker 1: All right, Tony, go find some late seventies and early

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Speaker 1: eighties TV sitcoms to watch and get back to this.

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Speaker 3: Okay, congrats on Circle City spin Man, great great stuff.

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Speaker 6: Thank you guys, Thank you