1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:01,480 Speaker 1: Look, Casey, here's the deal. 2 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 2: What? What's the deal? 3 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 3: Rob Our world is just a giant box of disappointment 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 3: at all levels. 5 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 2: I'm not disappointed in you. You're fantastic. 6 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:13,239 Speaker 3: We're going to spend most of the show today talking 7 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 3: about complete and utter disappointments in the world of politics, 8 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 3: but I'm going to begin the show with something positive. 9 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 2: Today Great, I like it. 10 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: I look is Friday. 11 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 3: It is very rare in this world that something lives 12 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 3: up to its expectation, that something brings you the happiness 13 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 3: you think it was going to bring you. 14 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: What brought you happiness at your dinner last. 15 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: Night, midnight tonight or last night or whatever. Midnight today 16 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: is midnight today? 17 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 2: No, that makes no sense. But it's the start of 18 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 2: a night day at midnight. 19 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: No, no, no, Midnight's the start of a new day. 20 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: The day rolls over. Midnight today eleven fifty nine would 21 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: be last night. Yeah, you're right, but midnight would be 22 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: the start of a new day. 23 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 4: When you say midnight today, I'm thinking later on from 24 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:53,599 Speaker 4: now right midnight. 25 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 3: But it can't be last night, this morning, at midnight, 26 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 3: early this morning, this morning, at midnight. 27 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: When the clock struck October twenty fourth. 28 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 3: Something I have waited twenty years for became available to 29 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 3: the public at large. 30 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: I was totally prepared to be. 31 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 3: Just disappointed, beyond belief, and it lived up to the expectations. 32 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 2: It's very rare. 33 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 3: That's the Electric Nebraska album. The movie comes out today, 34 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 3: The Bruce Springsteen movie comes out today, and all of 35 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 3: these long lost pieces of brilliance that are associated with 36 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 3: it were released and it's great. 37 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 4: You know, when I originally told you about this, what 38 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 4: did you do? 39 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: Do you remember? 40 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: It dumped all over it? 41 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you rolled your eyes up. 42 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 3: Well, the movie still may be bad, and I'm still 43 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 3: expecting the movie to be bad, but there was this 44 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 3: just this what do we call it, like like a 45 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 3: side project that came out with it today, which I 46 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 3: was way more interested in than the movie itself. For 47 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 3: this the Nebraska album which they delivered me from nowhere 48 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 3: movie Bruce Springsteen is based on, and there's all of 49 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 3: this stuff that had not been released. 50 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 2: Straight and they lost track all, yes, all. 51 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: The stuff that went into making this thing, and it's I. 52 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 2: Was so relistening on your way in. 53 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 3: Well, at three am, my wife comes shuffling out into 54 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 3: the living room and goes Are. 55 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 4: You still playing with your friends? 56 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: Yes, go back to bed. 57 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 2: Still listening. 58 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 4: Okay, well, good, so you enjoyed some new music, so 59 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 4: I was not gonna start to show in a negative 60 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 4: new music new tape. 61 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: That's right. 62 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, and Kevi and ike keV has listened to this 63 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 3: as well, and we think we're gonna fire later on 64 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 3: in the program. It's good enough, Kevin. I had an 65 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,399 Speaker 3: executive meeting. Sorry you weren't here. 66 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 2: I was. I was trapped in the elevators. 67 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: That's right. Are they still broke? 68 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 4: Yes? 69 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 2: Up and down. 70 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 4: I dumped me on the second floor of the parking 71 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 4: garage and then I was stuck in there for a while. 72 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 2: I started sweating. And then when I finally got. 73 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 4: In, Stephen downstairs said, oh, you had an adventure in 74 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 4: the elevator, and I said, that's not a place I really. 75 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 2: Want to have an adventure. 76 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 3: Wait, so you're talking about the elevator, which I've warned 77 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 3: you about how many times. 78 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:05,119 Speaker 2: All the time. 79 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 3: These are the elevators I got the time twice have 80 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 3: been stuck in So you were stuck like they wouldn't move, 81 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 3: or stuck like it wouldn't open. 82 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 2: Both, it wouldn't move. Wouldn't open. I was hitting all 83 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: the buttons. 84 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: Did you talk to the lady? 85 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 4: No? 86 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: Then how'd you get it open? Well? 87 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 4: I had to go down and then I finally got 88 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 4: it on the floor level of the lobby and use 89 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 4: that one and use some different elevators. 90 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: Oh so you finally did get it to open. 91 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 2: Finally, Yeah, after going up and down and being stuck. 92 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 3: And every time I get out of that elevator after 93 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 3: I've been stuck in it, I just run. 94 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: I run to my car, like I don't even walk. 95 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: I run. 96 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 3: So that's why I had to stop taking the elevator. 97 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 3: Stop taking the elevator. 98 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 4: So while you guys were having an executive decision about music, 99 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 4: I was having fun in the elevation. 100 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 3: Well, here's the executive thing we came up with, because 101 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 3: the thing that most people were most interested in. So 102 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 3: the sort of staple song of Nebraska is Itlantic City. 103 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 3: And it's a song that has been covered by many, many, 104 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 3: many bands since And there was this supposedly long lost 105 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 3: electric version of Atlantic City that he has played in 106 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 3: concert for years, but there's this recording of it, and 107 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 3: Kevi and I were like, this is going to be 108 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 3: awful we're going to be so disappointed. We're going to 109 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 3: just we've been waiting years and years because keV, you 110 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 3: love this song. 111 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's probably my favorite. 112 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 2: I think it's my favorite by Brews. 113 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so I said, well, I'll go first, and 114 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 3: if it I'll bear the brunt of the disappointment for 115 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 3: the team. And then it's phenomenal. I sent it to Kevin. 116 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 3: I said, you're going to be blown away by this. keV, 117 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 3: you agreed. It's amazing. 118 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: Yeah. 119 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 2: I listened to it three times on my drive into 120 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: work today. Wow. 121 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 3: So later on in the show, we're just going to 122 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 3: play the whole thing. Okay, we're going to play the 123 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 3: whole song. I like it because we think it's that good. 124 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: It's Friday. 125 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: Let's do it. 126 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 3: And if you people in listener land are mad about this, 127 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 3: it's all Kevin's fault. 128 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 2: Blame it on him. I made the executive decision. 129 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 4: Good for you. 130 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it. 131 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 2: It's great show, all right. 132 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 3: So that's from not being disappointed. But now let's get 133 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 3: to the disappointment. And the Mike Bohatchik bodycam footage became 134 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 3: available yesterday. 135 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 2: It was really long, like two and a half hours, long. 136 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 3: So Mike Bohatgik is this ridiculous state senator Republican Northern Indiana. 137 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 3: He gets pulled over during the legislative session. I believe 138 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 3: this is in January. Refuses, these are the things we 139 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:28,559 Speaker 3: knew about this, refuses the breathalyzer, the field sobriety test. 140 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 3: They take him into custody, They do the blood draw 141 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 3: it zero point two eighty three, which is like three 142 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 3: and a half times the legal limit. He skates out 143 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 3: of any sort of accountability, any sort of repercussions because 144 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 3: of this ridiculous legislative immunity thing that these legislators can't 145 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 3: be held to account during the session. So no mugshot, 146 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 3: he gets keep driving his car, no penalties, and they 147 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 3: keep it under wraps in the Senate. 148 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: And then of course you know who broke the story? 149 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 2: Who rob what? 150 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 1: It was? 151 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 4: Us? 152 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, we broke the story. We gave him multiple days 153 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 3: to come clean on this. By the way, before we 154 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 3: broke the story, he wouldn't do it, so we put 155 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 3: it out there. And then finally, what a couple months ago, 156 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 3: the case gets adjudicated. He gets basically no penalty, And 157 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 3: how is this casey that if you refuse the field 158 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 3: sobriety test. It's supposed to be an automatic or the breathalyzer. 159 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, it's supposed to be an automatic license suspension here, 160 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 3: but not him, not him, He didn't he Even after 161 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 3: this case gets adjudicated, he gets to keep driving his 162 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 3: car yep, and and the cop specifically tells him on 163 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 3: this video about this. So it's not like we're making 164 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 3: this up right, it's the law. And the cop tells 165 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 3: him and he gets keep driving. This guy got away 166 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 3: scott free basically for the for what he did. But 167 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 3: the Capitol Chronicle got the body cam footage, or Old 168 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 3: Pile Stephen at Indie Reporter got the bodycam footage. Steven 169 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:03,559 Speaker 3: posted the whole thing right, And there's a couple things. 170 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 3: We're gonna play some audio of this here in a second, 171 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 3: but there were a couple of things that stood out 172 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 3: to me. One and this is like probably nobody else 173 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 3: was thinking about this. So it's a pretty busy road 174 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 3: that this cop pulls him over on and he's trying 175 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 3: to deal with like the guy's speeding. He's doing seventy 176 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 3: and a forty five. He later thinks he tells the 177 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 3: cop he thought he was doing fifty. So but what 178 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 3: the first thing is what a high functioning person he like? 179 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 3: He should have been almost dead and he appears very 180 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 3: normal in this video. 181 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 2: Current. 182 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, he said that he had a glass of wine 183 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 4: and he took a tramadol for back pain. 184 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: Well, first, didn't he say he wasn't drinking? First? I 185 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: think he told. 186 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 4: Them right, And the officer said he couldn't smell anything, this. 187 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 3: Sort of saying that, I mean, this guy is an 188 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 3: incredibly high functioning uh. 189 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: Drinker. We'll just say that, right. 190 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 3: There's no like because remember we were laughing about this 191 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 3: video is going to be great. The guy's blood was 192 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 3: appoint two eighty three. 193 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: He's gonna have. 194 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 3: The food all over himself and he's gonna be mumbling, no, 195 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 3: there's none of this. This is the guy has a 196 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 3: serious issue because he appears to be throughout this whole 197 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 3: video just like he got his faculties for business as usual. 198 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 3: I mean, you know he's talking to the cop and 199 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 3: everything else. So major issue on that. But what stood 200 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 3: up to me is this is this is what a 201 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 3: group of entitled elitists, these lawmakers are. So the cop, 202 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 3: you know, is dealing with he pulls this guy over. 203 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 3: He suspects you know, ow I he's talking to his supervisor. 204 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 3: You know what do I do? This guy's a senator. 205 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 3: There's this special rules Da da da. So finally he 206 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 3: goes back to the car, and the cop basically is like, hey, 207 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 3: can you get out of this car? And we're gonna 208 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 3: go back to my car because it's kind of dangerous 209 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 3: for me to be out here on this road talking 210 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 3: to these cars whizzing by and bohatchiks like nah, I'm 211 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 3: good in my car here, and then the cops finally like, yeah, 212 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 3: you're gonna get out of the car. This is not 213 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 3: I was trying to be nice. It's not a request, 214 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 3: but his gut reaction is screw you and your safety 215 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 3: because I know what I did and I don't want 216 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 3: to give you any evidence of what I did, So 217 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 3: I'm gonna put you in danger so I can so 218 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 3: that can continue to sit in this car. 219 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: What a jerk. 220 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, let's play some audio from it. This is 221 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 4: him initially getting pulled over, recording dance I'm diddy, Well 222 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 4: I'm off serve board and this timing thing just be chicklings. 223 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 5: Drivers reistration. A couple of reasons for the stop. First reason, 224 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 5: somebody called in saying they thought you were a possibly 225 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 5: impaired driver, and they said they saw an open container 226 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 5: in your your vehicle. And then when I found you, 227 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 5: you were going a little above a spiel and may 228 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 5: angie okay, and here the cars? 229 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: Okay? 230 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: Did you have the. 231 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 4: Should that's that's that's what? 232 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 2: Okay? 233 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: Have you had any alcoll today? 234 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 6: Do you use drugs? 235 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 5: Your medication diagnosed with anything? Because I know your eyes 236 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 5: are a little red? Is that normal for you? 237 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: Okay? 238 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 5: A little done on sleep? Okay, do you mind if 239 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 5: I just checked your eyes. 240 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 2: Out real quick? 241 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 5: Why are you sing in the car? Yeah? 242 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 4: Okay. One thing that I noticed is when he asked 243 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 4: him for his registration, he leans over and I think 244 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 4: he grabbed it out of the glove box, and he's 245 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 4: just like, here's what I have, like a little kid 246 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 4: who goes to the counter to buy candy and doesn't 247 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 4: know how to do money. 248 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 2: Yet here's here it is. Take what you need. 249 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 3: Well, he knows he's caught and instead of just manning up. 250 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 3: Now again it's a little hard to hear him, but 251 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 3: it sounded like when he asked him, had he'd been 252 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 3: drinking that he said, no, he had not been drinking. 253 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 3: But then it I think it later turns into a 254 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:03,599 Speaker 3: glass I want to get It's a little hard to 255 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 3: hear him because you're hearing him off the body cam footage, 256 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 3: but he knew exactly what he did, and instead of 257 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 3: manning up and owning it, he does just basically like 258 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 3: come get me, the come get me copper routine. 259 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: And so we do have one more clip, right, one 260 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 1: more clip. 261 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 4: This is actually in the hospital, and this is the 262 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 4: officer talking to somebody on the phone and he's mentioning 263 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 4: how that Bohachik has legislative immunity and he can't arrest him. 264 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 5: But I was on the phone with Lieutenant Westfall, who 265 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 5: told me that we are he does not think we 266 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 5: should j three. We should not arrest him because of 267 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 5: the congressional protection. Yeah, because he told me we should 268 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 5: just drive him home, file the report, do the arrest warrant, 269 00:11:54,760 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 5: and then once they're out of session, then serve. Yeah. Yeah, okay, 270 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 5: he said, it's Article one, section six of the Indiana 271 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 5: State Yeah, okay, it sounds good. 272 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. 273 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 5: I just wanted to fill you guys in the situation. 274 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 5: So I'll write it up and do the rest warrant, 275 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 5: and I'll bring him home and put him in the 276 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 5: safety of his family. 277 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 3: And by way, we want to be very at least 278 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 3: I do want to be very specific. The cop did 279 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 3: nothing wrong here. Yeah, the cop was very professional throughout 280 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 3: this whole thing. The other ones who are involved were 281 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 3: they're dealing with the situation that they're trying to sort 282 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 3: through what's going on. The bad guy here is Mike Bohachik. Because, 283 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 3: by the way, here's whatever I should have in their mind. 284 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 3: He was incredibly high functioning at point two eighty three. 285 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 3: Where else has he been after he's been drinking or 286 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 3: he's high functioning? Has he ever been on the floor 287 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 3: of the Senate or involved in senate negotiations or he's 288 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 3: done that after drinking, because again, he appears very together 289 00:12:58,800 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 3: throughout the course of his video. 290 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: Blown away by that well. 291 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 4: And there's a couple other things that you might have 292 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 4: noticed from that police officer there. He says, oh, yeah, 293 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 4: he was quoting Article one like chick knew exactly, knew 294 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 4: what to say to protect himself. And then the officer's like, yees, 295 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 4: So we'll drive him home and turn him over to 296 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 4: his family. If that were you and I, do you 297 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 4: think we'd get that? Oh? 298 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 3: No, it would be in the paper before I made 299 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 3: it to the booking. 300 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: Right he got to drive home. 301 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 3: We'll get into more of this later because this is 302 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 3: actually a big deal on This video is very interesting, 303 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 3: and so we'll get into this more throughout the course 304 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 3: of the show. 305 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 4: Today you're listening to Kendall and Casey on ninety three WIBC. 306 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 7: Okay, So, there's a really interesting debate going on in 307 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 7: this country right now, and we've touched on it over 308 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 7: the past week, which is how do we handle these 309 00:13:55,440 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 7: major drug dealers that are trying to transport drugs from 310 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 7: other countries potentially into the United States. 311 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 3: And the Trump administration, in a very high profile way, 312 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 3: has decided We're just going to blow them up and 313 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 3: then show everybody like we're not messing around. We have 314 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 3: dubbed these people basically terrorists, and we're using the full 315 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 3: force of the American military. And so it has prompted 316 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 3: a very what I think is a very worthwhile and 317 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 3: interesting discussion on should Trump have to go get a 318 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 3: declaration of war since he is using the American military 319 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 3: to kill these people. He is clearly intending to kill 320 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 3: these people, and he is using it. And I'm not 321 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 3: saying he's wrong. I'm saying he's using their deaths as 322 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 3: propaganda to tell other major drug dealers. 323 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: Don't do it. Don't do it. Now. The pushback is, Okay, 324 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: these people. 325 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 3: Are not an army, they don't wear uniforms, they're not 326 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 3: fighting for a country. They're rotten, horrible people who totally 327 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 3: need to be removed from decent society, and maybe execution 328 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 3: is the best thing to due to them. Probably is. 329 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 3: But if we let this go on, do we risk 330 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 3: getting into a slippery slope of what else can we use? 331 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 3: The American military form? People like Ran Paul have really 332 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 3: pushed back on this. 333 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, he asked the question should there be a declaration 334 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 4: of war? And actually a reporter asked Donald Trump about 335 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 4: that as well. 336 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 6: To President, if you are declaring war against these cartels, 337 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 6: and Congress is likely to approve of that process, why 338 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 6: not just ask for a declaration of war? 339 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 5: Well, I don't think we're going to necessarily ask for 340 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 5: a declaration of war. I think we're just going to 341 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 5: kill people that are bringing drugs into our country. 342 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 3: Okay, We're going to kill them. 343 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 4: You know they're going to be like dead. 344 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 2: Okay. 345 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, so he's saying right there, No, they're not going 346 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 4: to ask for a declaration of war. 347 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 2: They're just going to continue what they're doing. 348 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 3: Well, you and I touched on this, I think the 349 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 3: last time we talked about it, which is I am 350 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 3: torn on this because the drug issue in this country, 351 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 3: and as a major part of the illegal immigration issue, 352 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 3: is killing kids. The fentanyl, the legal drugs coming into 353 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 3: this country killing kids. 354 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: That's why I was initially. 355 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 3: Supportive of Trump's, you know, to the tariff stuff with 356 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 3: trade when it was Mexico and Canada because initially they 357 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 3: had posed it as this is, we're going to give 358 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 3: them ab and C to do to help us stop 359 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 3: letting fentanyl come into this country, and if they don't 360 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 3: do it, then we're going to slap these tariffs. On 361 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 3: my thought, hey, hey, all on board, right, And obviously in 362 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 3: the tariff thing is just launched into this something far bigger, 363 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 3: and I don't think it's being very helpful. But the 364 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 3: point is I am all on board with whatever we 365 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 3: can do to stop dangerous drugs coming into this country 366 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 3: that are targeting and killing young people at or near 367 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 3: record levels every single year. So I am hotly supportive 368 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 3: of that. However, this country has a long history of 369 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 3: if you give it an inch, it takes a mile. 370 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 3: This government does, and I worry about what would be next. 371 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 3: What is the next step in terms of a use 372 00:16:59,200 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 3: of the US military. 373 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 4: Well, Rand Paul was questioning, they don't make fentanyl in Venezuela, 374 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 4: so you have to imagine that's just a stopping point. 375 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 4: It's being shipped there from other countries, sure, and then 376 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 4: brought here. Since the campaign started in September, at least 377 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 4: thirty seven suspected narco terrorists have been killed. The Trump 378 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 4: administration says that we're in an armed conflict with drug cartels. 379 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 4: That's what they're calling it, an armed conflict. 380 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 3: Which okay, then you if you're going to use the 381 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 3: US military to do stuff, then you needed to think 382 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 3: you need a declaration, which I'm not opposed to if 383 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 3: we're going to say we're at war, like legit war 384 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 3: with countries that are supporting, supplying, propping up aiding in 385 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 3: a betting drug dealers that. 386 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: Are killing our kids. 387 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 3: Not opposed to that, not opposed to having that be said, 388 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 3: but I think you need to say that I don't 389 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 3: think it makes you soft on these people. 390 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: Blow them up. 391 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 3: Fine, but there's a process because, like I said, the 392 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 3: history of this country as we just go to the thing. 393 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, Trump right now he's invoking the post nine 394 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 4: to eleven legal authorities, and he's saying they're just treating 395 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 4: them like enemy combatants. Doesn't need approval. You heard him say, no, 396 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,479 Speaker 4: we're just we're just gonna keep killing them. 397 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 3: And it is from politically, it's an interesting take the 398 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 3: take the seriousness of the issue aside just from the 399 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 3: pure politics of it. It's a very interesting approach by 400 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 3: Trump saying, I dare you Democrats to be on the 401 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 3: side of the drug dealers. I dare you to come 402 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 3: out and say we're team drug dealer. These people deserve 403 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 3: a B and C. It's a very very probably politically 404 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 3: astute move to say, Okay, your move. 405 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 4: You're listening to Kennel and Casey. It is ninety three 406 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 4: w IBC. 407 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 2: Jim just texting me. He said, I heard you were 408 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 2: stuck in the elevator. 409 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: Are you okay? 410 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 3: I'm fine, Jim is your husband? Yes, Kennel and Casey show. 411 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 3: By the way, I'm Rob that's Casey Casey for some reason, 412 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 3: I've warned you a million times those those elevators are rotten. 413 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 3: You cannot take them and to hit your own risks, 414 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 3: and you had another problem with it. 415 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: I read it and I lost. Yeah, I just I 416 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: just walk now, just get the steps in. 417 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 4: Hey. Speaking of Jim really quick. He went to the 418 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 4: Pacers game last night. 419 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, guess who. 420 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 2: He saw there? 421 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: Who did he see? 422 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 2: He saw Joe Hogg sit. 423 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: There, the mayor. And he was upright and coherent. 424 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 4: Yes. So when he said that Joe hawk Sett was 425 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 4: at the Pacers game, I said, well, go ask him 426 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 4: where he was the day of the riots. 427 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 3: He should have because your husband is a big timer 428 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 3: in the sports memorabilia industry. And he got invited to 429 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 3: go by one of his amigos that he does sports 430 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 3: memorabilia stuff with. 431 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: And I saw his. 432 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 3: Seat look pretty good, like a pretty good seat. 433 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: You know. 434 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 3: It's interesting that we mentioned hog set because multiple media 435 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 3: outlets are now report that there is now follow up. 436 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 3: There's a follow up report that has been released on 437 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 3: the Thomas Carl Cook saga. Of course, Thomas Carl Cook, 438 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 3: the former I believe he was the deputy mayor chief 439 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 3: of staff, is a gatekeeper to the mayor who was 440 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 3: a complete dumpster fire, accused of all sorts of inappropriate 441 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 3: behavior with women's subordinates. 442 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: In the office. And so. 443 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 3: Now this Philip Fisher, this Fisher Phillips report which basically 444 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 3: let him and hog Set and everybody else off the hook, 445 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 3: because the big issue was not whether Thomas Carl Cook 446 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 3: is a scumbag he is, it's what did Joe hoggs 447 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 3: Set know and what did he allegedly cover up knowing 448 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 3: who this guy was because he needed him in his orbit. 449 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I was texting with Jason Hammer from the 450 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 4: Hammer in Nigel Show, and I was telling him that 451 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 4: Joe hogg Sett was at the Pacers game last night, 452 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 4: and he said, follow up question, why did Irvington tell 453 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 4: you not to come to their event? And also was 454 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 4: it really a trash can that gave you a busted lip? 455 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: Okay, So let's explain both those. 456 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 3: The people of Irvington sent Joe hog Set a rather 457 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,719 Speaker 3: direct letter and said don't come, don't come to our 458 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 3: Halloween festival. And then many of you may remember what 459 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 3: this has been a couple of years ago. Now hog 460 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 3: Set mysteriously had what was a black eye or busted lip, 461 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 3: or it was. 462 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 4: Said it was because he tripped because he was wearing 463 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 4: flip flops while yes, taking the trash. 464 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 3: Out, absolutely, no doubt, no, no anything on that. Anyway, 465 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 3: we'll get to that report later on the program, because 466 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 3: there's some interesting things that came out of this follow 467 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 3: up report on Joe hog Set. But first, everybody talking 468 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 3: and rightfully so, about this these multiple arrests that were 469 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:51,120 Speaker 3: announced yesterday by the FBI on high profile basketball players 470 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 3: relating to gambling. 471 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, arrested in connection with mafia organized rigged poker games. 472 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 3: So the biggest name of the group was Chauncey Billups. 473 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 3: People will probably remember longtime Pacers fans. Chauncey Billups was 474 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 3: a part of those great Pistons teams that the Pacers 475 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 3: had the rivalry with in the two thousands. Chauncey Billups 476 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 3: is an NBA Hall of Famer. He is now He 477 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 3: is now the coach or was, or I guess still 478 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 3: is the coach of the Portland Trailblazers. And while a 479 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 3: lot of the attention went to this rosier guy because 480 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 3: of his alleged involvement in what you might call point shaving, 481 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 3: which we'll touch on in a second. The Billups one 482 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 3: is more fascinating because he is alleged to have been 483 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 3: involved in some sort of poker scheme where he was 484 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 3: courtating with mafia organizations to rig poker games. 485 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 4: Right he's now they're calling him co conspirator eight. 486 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 2: So that tells you how many people. 487 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 3: Are involved in It's a big deal, right yeah, and 488 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 3: a very lavish thing. And Hammer and I got into 489 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 3: this with Nigeli yesterday on Off the Rails. My question 490 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 3: is this, If you're a Chauncey Billups, you're a Hall 491 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 3: of Famer. You've made all sorts of money playing basketball. 492 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 3: I think he was on television for a while. He's 493 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 3: now making all sorts of money being the head coach 494 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 3: of the NBA team. You have this, of course, you 495 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 3: know reputation. 496 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: Why would you do this? Do you need money that bad? 497 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: Why would you risk this? 498 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 2: Was he threatened in some way? 499 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: Well somebody? No, I mean somebody, you had to get 500 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: involved in the thing. 501 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 3: People just pick you off the street and go, hey, 502 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 3: you're gonna do this or else. 503 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: There's no, that's not how it works. Casey. 504 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 2: I don't know with them Offian, but no, he's not a. 505 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 3: Storefront merchant where they're bashing in his windows if he 506 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 3: doesn't pay the pay the tributary. 507 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: He's a high profile NBA Hall of Famer. 508 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 3: They're just picking people out of the crosd somehow he 509 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 3: had to go down this path where he gets involved. 510 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 3: I'm not saying eventually that there wasn't maybe some level 511 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 3: of threat or blackmail, but at some point he had 512 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 3: to get into these people's orbit. 513 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. 514 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 4: So you've got Damon Jones, who's also been named in 515 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 4: both indictments and Terry Rozero and died separately for insider 516 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 4: sports betting activities. And now another name has been linked 517 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 4: to this FBI gambling probe and it's Lebron James. They're 518 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 4: saying that Damon Jones was using information because they were friends, 519 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 4: and so Damon Jones was selling his injury status to friends. 520 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: Okay, so we need to be very specific. 521 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 3: No one is accusing Lebron James of shaving points or 522 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 3: do anything unethical or illegal. What they're saying is this guy, 523 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 3: Damon Jones, who was involved with the Lakers, was getting 524 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 3: information on Lebron James on whether he was going to 525 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 3: play or not. 526 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 1: And then letting his people know right now. 527 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 3: The Rosier guy is fascinating to me too, because he's 528 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 3: been around the league for a long time and made 529 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 3: tens of millions of dollars. And so I come back 530 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 3: to because he's alleged to have like tipped his guys off. Hey, 531 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 3: take the under on my you know, I'm just making 532 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 3: things up here, But take the under on my point 533 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 3: total tonight or my rebounds or whatever. And then you 534 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 3: come up a little lame or you know, feeling a 535 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 3: little bad, or there's an injury or whatever. Again, you 536 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 3: have all of this money and all this earning potential 537 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,919 Speaker 3: still at your disposal. This is the guy still in 538 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 3: the league. You're throwing it away for a cut of 539 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 3: a fifty thousand dollars bet. 540 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, that doesn't make any cent. 541 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 4: So Rick Carlisle, Indiana Pacers head coach and president of 542 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 4: the National Basketball Coaches Association, he called it a shocking day. 543 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 4: He said that he reached out to Billips but did 544 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 4: not get a response. 545 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's probably not talking to anyone, not. 546 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:31,880 Speaker 1: Anybody, Ernie. 547 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. So the Pacers, by the way, they lost their 548 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 4: home opener one forty one to five double overtime. 549 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 3: It was a great game against the defending champs. Of course, 550 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 3: who should have the defending champs should be the Pacers 551 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 3: at Haliburton not gotten hurt. That was a great game. 552 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 3: I think it showed it should show people that even 553 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 3: though Halliburton is not here, I think the Pacers will 554 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,719 Speaker 3: be competitive this year. They're certainly not going to win 555 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 3: the NBA Championship, but I think they are a playoff 556 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 3: caliber team. And they showed a lot of heart last 557 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 3: night because TJ McConnell is also out, and I think 558 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 3: they showed that they're gonna fight hard and try to 559 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 3: be competitive. 560 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 4: Did you notice people were going back and reviewing old 561 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 4: NBA games to see, you know, oh, was this an 562 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 4: intentional flop? 563 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 2: What's going on here? 564 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: Well? 565 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 3: Remember the movie Blue Chips, which is of course the 566 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 3: movie in the nineties starring Nick Nolty where he is 567 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 3: basically based on Bobby Knight. Let's say that he's supposed 568 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 3: to be Bobby Knight, and there's all sorts of famous 569 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 3: basketball players, and it's Shaquille O'Neil, Anthony Hardaway, Matt and 570 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 3: Over who was a star in the IU team. There's 571 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 3: all such a famous coach as Night is actually in 572 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,360 Speaker 3: the movie. The whole premise of the movie is this 573 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 3: guy always plays above board, this coach, he won't ben 574 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 3: the rules, he won't pay players, and then finally the 575 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 3: game has kind of passed him by to the point 576 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 3: where he finally gives in and lets these boosters pay 577 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 3: the star freshmen to come in and play for him, 578 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 3: and it eats at him to the point where I think, 579 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 3: if a movie's been around for thirty plus years, you 580 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,719 Speaker 3: can spoil it for people. He finally just basically has 581 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 3: a meltdown and tells every about what he did and said, 582 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 3: you know, I ruined my life. I did this to win, 583 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,199 Speaker 3: and I'm losing. Even though I'm winning, I'm losing. And 584 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 3: it's a really really good movie, all sorts of famous 585 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 3: people in it. But when it finally gets to him 586 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 3: is there's this player that he loves that's on his team, 587 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 3: and there's always been these allegations that in this game 588 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 3: he you know, are in these various games that he 589 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,479 Speaker 3: had shaved points and the kids said no, it never happened. 590 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 3: And Nick Nolty stands up for him, and finally the 591 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 3: booster who buys all these new players when Nick Nolty 592 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,479 Speaker 3: gets into it with him. He goes, I've been buying 593 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 3: your kids for years, and he tells him about this kid, 594 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 3: and he goes back and watches the video, and on 595 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 3: the video, now it's obvious that this kid was doing 596 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 3: this right, but he never believed it until he he 597 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 3: got hit right between the eyes and goes back and 598 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 3: looks at Look. They had to know. Once they legalized 599 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 3: sports betting in any state in the Union that wants it, 600 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 3: and there's all this money flowing into it that was 601 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 3: not flowing in before, and you can't just keep an 602 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 3: eye on bizarre bets in Vegas, and there's all these apps. 603 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 3: The stuff is going to start happening, and it's become 604 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 3: more and more prevalent. They're catching more and more people. 605 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 3: It's just part of the thing. Now, it's going to happen. Now, 606 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 3: Eventually they're going to get somebody big. Terry Rozier is 607 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 3: not a big name in the NBA. Chauncey Billups was 608 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 3: involved in a poker scheme as a retired player. Eventually, 609 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 3: they're going to hit someone big and that will be 610 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 3: when all hell breaks loose in one of these sports. 611 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 4: When I think of the poker scheme, with Chauncey Billups 612 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 4: in the Bond technology style glasses. You know, I just 613 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 4: keep thinking of this movie scene. 614 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 8: Seventeen hit me if you have seventeen, sir, I like 615 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 8: to live dangerously. 616 00:28:52,040 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 9: Four two one five, I'll stay. 617 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 8: I suggest you hit sir. 618 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 4: I also like to live dangerously as. 619 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: You wish, sir. 620 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 8: The other is twenty twenty beats your five. 621 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm sorry. 622 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 4: You're listening to Kettle and Casey. It is ninety three WYBC. 623 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 2: Home to Set. 624 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: So this redistricting. 625 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 3: Debate continues to rage on here in Indiana, and now 626 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 3: Mitch Daniels, former governor, has weighed in with an op 627 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 3: ed in the Washington Post. 628 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 629 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 4: He he said that Indiana lawmaker's duty is to their constituents, 630 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 4: not to the White House or national political organizations. 631 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 3: Well, and you know, the redistricting debate is fascinating because 632 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 3: I think it's much bigger than just redistrict It's like 633 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 3: an eye, it's like an opening into the mind of 634 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 3: the populace as a collective. Because you used to be 635 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 3: able to and I think this is where Mitch Daniels 636 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 3: is coming from, used to be able to sit down 637 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 3: with people kind of with facts and go Okay, here's 638 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 3: what's actually going on, and the people go, oh, yeah, 639 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 3: you're kind of right now. The people acknowledge what the 640 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 3: facts are and they're just straight up don't care. 641 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: We don't care. Yeah, And so I've. 642 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 3: Thought about this quite a bit over the last week, 643 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 3: and several people have sent me messages, including one pretty 644 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 3: high profile person here in Indiana politics, and said, I 645 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 3: just love how you continue to swat down all the 646 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 3: people that come at you on redistricting. 647 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: And I said, well, what do I care? 648 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 3: Like to me, it's the Republicans have done nothing for 649 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 3: my family or me. They lie to me all the time, 650 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 3: they never follow through, they never do what they promise. 651 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 3: So why would I be or why would anyone be 652 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 3: invested in more Republicans in the Congress, Because they're never 653 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 3: going to govern a fly if you don't make them 654 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 3: earn the election. And then the people come out and go, well, yeah, California, okay, 655 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 3: First of all, California's California, and California did this in 656 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 3: response to Texas to Texas, and if we look at 657 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 3: the maps right now, in the way they're drawn, apparently 658 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 3: they're so unrigged that the Republicans have been able to 659 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 3: secure majorities for multiple elections now since they've been redrawn 660 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 3: in the House of Representatives. And I just don't see 661 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 3: how adding two more Jefferson Shreeves or Aaron Houchins or 662 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 3: Messmer or whoever pick your favorite underachieving Republican of the 663 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:44,479 Speaker 3: seven or make a composite of them, giving them two 664 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 3: more seats is going to make the government any better. 665 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 3: And the Republicans currently have the House of Representatives, the 666 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 3: jerrymandering takes place in all of these states, and then 667 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 3: the argument gets even more ridiculous, like that we've said, 668 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 3: well Massachusetts, okay, I have challenged for days now, somebody 669 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 3: to draw me a map. There's all these websites, we 670 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 3: can go, draw your own map, draw me a fair 671 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 3: map of Massachusetts where Republicans get seats, and nobody'll do 672 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 3: it because you can't, because they can. And then the 673 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 3: people are like, well, Vermont, Vermont is one representative. Are 674 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 3: you saying it should be a Republican based on the 675 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 3: fact that Vermont is heavily Democrat? Or New Hampshire, which 676 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 3: goes to I think they've got two. Well, New Hampshire's 677 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 3: gone Democrat in almost all the recent memory presidential elections. 678 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:33,959 Speaker 3: Are you saying we should just give one of those 679 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 3: seats to the Republican? Maine is split in half, one's Republican, 680 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 3: one's Democrat. Like they keep using the East Coast and 681 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 3: it's like, but most of these states have like one 682 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 3: or two reps, and the states are democrat so it 683 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 3: makes sense that the reps would be like, it's just 684 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 3: this bizarro totally total. 685 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: Ignoring of the facts or totally hiding of the facts. 686 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 3: And I'm at a point now where it's like, you 687 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 3: can't even have an honest debate with people because they 688 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 3: don't care what the facts are. 689 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: And what are the Republicans giving you anyway? What are 690 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:06,959 Speaker 1: you getting? 691 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,479 Speaker 4: So Mitch Daniels said that he acknowledged the pressure that 692 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 4: they were getting from the White House, but he said 693 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 4: that they should quietly and respectfully pass on the idea. 694 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 4: He called it almost without precedent, and said that the 695 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 4: current maps were drawn by Republicans and are visually reasonable 696 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 4: and compact. He said he does support the outcome, but 697 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 4: the tactic being employed to get there is not good. 698 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,239 Speaker 3: Well, and my favorite thing of all of this is 699 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 3: these phony outrage from Republicans about Andre Carson. Oh, we 700 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 3: got to get rid of Carson. You guys had a 701 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 3: chance to get rid of Carson four years ago when 702 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 3: you drew these maps the last time, and you deliberately 703 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 3: the same people crying foul in many cases are the 704 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 3: same people who deliberately made Carson stronger. Because Victoria Sparts 705 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 3: is such a little loof goof that they were like, 706 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 3: we got to figure out a way to save her, 707 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 3: and so they made her district more red, and they 708 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 3: made Carson's district more blue. 709 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: And they just did this. And it's the. 710 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 3: Hypocrisy of these people where they scream and cry about 711 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,320 Speaker 3: here Carson when they just made him stronger. 712 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:18,919 Speaker 2: So there's lots of pulling out there. 713 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 4: And it says that Hoosiers mostly opposed the mid decade redistricting, 714 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:28,359 Speaker 4: and Daniels said that Charlie Kirk's death became a flashpoint 715 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 4: for this, But that doesn't justify it. 716 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 2: Two wrongs don't make a right. 717 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 4: I'm curious, do you think Mitch Daniels still has the 718 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 4: poll in Indiana that he used to Are people listening 719 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 4: to what he has to say? 720 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,399 Speaker 3: Well, Raison, Look, i think we've long moved past the 721 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,760 Speaker 3: idea of this statesman being able to come in and go, hey, everybody, 722 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 3: let's just calm down. I think they were so partisan now, 723 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 3: and that's what I'm saying. Like his article was very 724 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 3: well written, but so many people acknowledge that this is 725 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 3: completely political. It's not like they're lying about it. It's 726 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 3: not like you have to show the people. We have 727 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 3: people like the governor, like Andrew Ireland State Rep. Like 728 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 3: many other reps and senators who are for this, who 729 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 3: are just openly admitting, yeah. 730 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 2: It's for political reasons, but we got. 731 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 1: To do it. 732 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 3: So how do you have a how do you have 733 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 3: an honest, you know, fruitful conversation with that You don't. 734 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: You don't. 735 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 4: It is Kendallley Casey. It's ninety three w ib C.