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Speaker 1: You know, Eddie, Today's show on this Thursday, and good afternoon,

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Speaker 1: everybody on a good look in Thursday here, and we're

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Speaker 1: done with the April fools, right, We're done with the

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Speaker 1: April Fools. And although we didn't do any on this

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Speaker 1: the whole time you're tiptoeing through information because you're like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what, like what's real here and what's fake?

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Speaker 1: Even though everybody knows it's April Fools, it seems like

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Speaker 1: it's difficult to pull off in April Fools anymore. But nonetheless,

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Speaker 1: you still saw some stuff where you're like, is that

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Speaker 1: a true story or not? And today kind of the

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Speaker 1: theme for the day is sometimes there are things that

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Speaker 1: but they are not. And also it's about as we

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Speaker 1: move on into April, just about moving on in general

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Speaker 1: and preparation and seeing a comparing the way different teams

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Speaker 1: do things and their approach. And the first story that

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Speaker 1: comes to mind with that is, I mean, obviously for

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Speaker 1: this the best approach yesterday? To go out and blow Chicago.

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Speaker 1: At the floor, we said the magic number. The magic

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Speaker 1: number is I believe too. They cannot exceed two wins remaining.

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Speaker 1: They got one of them last night in Chicago, and

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm watching it. I was at AL last

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Speaker 1: night Alan Porium and I'm watching the game and literally

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Speaker 1: it was like, oh man, I don't screw this up.

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Speaker 1: And I think everybody in there is thinking, like, this

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Speaker 1: is cool. They're winning and they're playing well, and they're

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Speaker 1: sharing the basketball. But there's a vision and a plan

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Speaker 1: that you got to stick to here. Let's not screw

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Speaker 1: this up. There's some sarcasm there, I realize, but the

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Speaker 1: big news of the day in sport somewhat relates to

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis and the Colts organization, because I admittedly had to

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Speaker 1: look to make sure it was not an April fool's joke,

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Speaker 1: not because I don't like the player, but because of

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Speaker 1: the situation and the circumstance, and in particular the way

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Speaker 1: the Ducks are already aligned in a row. Yesterday was

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Speaker 1: the pro day of Fernando Mendoza, and by all account,

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Speaker 1: he dazzled everyone that was there. He had I think

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Speaker 1: over twenty players on display for Indiana at Pro Day.

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Speaker 1: They even had T shirts made up, and Mendoza had

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Speaker 1: sat there and he had Omar Cooper Junior there and

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Speaker 1: you know, Kaylon Black was there. So an opportunity for

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Speaker 1: all of the players in Indiana to benefit not just

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Speaker 1: also because of all the attention that is going to

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Speaker 1: And it's by one, get one for all of the scouts.

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Speaker 1: And we're going to talk to Bob Kravitz at the

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Speaker 1: two o'clock hour that was there yesterday about how Mendoza

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Speaker 1: looked and the Pro Day itself and how this is

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Speaker 1: this is the new that is symbolic of the new

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Speaker 1: culture of Indiana football. But on the heels of Mendoza,

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Speaker 1: who always says the right things. It's unbelievable. He always

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Speaker 1: have you talked to the Raiders and his answer, well,

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Speaker 1: I've talked to the Raiders twice. I had the pleasure

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Speaker 1: at the combine, and then we talked once more, and

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Speaker 1: I anticipate that we will talk again. I'm supposed to

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Speaker 1: go out and meet with them. And yes, there are

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Speaker 1: obviously always concerns about, you know, if I let them

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Speaker 1: failure you turn into you have to turn each fail

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Speaker 1: always has the right answer, he always has the right throw.

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Speaker 1: It truly is remarkable. And so on the heels of

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Speaker 1: all of that, and knowing the Raiders have the first

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Speaker 1: and if anything, probably to even further cement himself as

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Speaker 1: that selection. And then the news comes out earlier today

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Speaker 1: that Kirk Cousins, well, I think is a good quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I do. He's thirty seven years old. I realize that,

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Speaker 1: But is he a Kirk Cousins to me, is not

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Speaker 1: Cousins is the reason we lost guy either. Now he

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Speaker 1: just signed a deal with the Raiders five years, Eddie,

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Speaker 1: would you like to guess the amount of money? Now

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Speaker 1: we know that he's likely not going to see all

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Speaker 1: five years of that contract. It is only a one

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Speaker 1: But would you like to guess the money that Kirk

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Speaker 1: Cousins signed a five year contract with the Las Vegas Raiders.

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Speaker 2: I know the dollars because I saw it earlier. I

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Speaker 2: was like this, something doesn't seem right here, doesn't past

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Speaker 1: Five years, one hundred and seventy two million dollars, the

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Speaker 1: first of which one year guaranteed twenty million, with a

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Speaker 1: second year team option. Here is why this is significant.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it necessarily indicts in totality something,

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Speaker 1: but it creates an interesting vantage point. Fernanda Mendoza. Part

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Speaker 1: of why he is the number one, the presumptive number

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Speaker 1: get that, but think about this for a moment. Here

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Speaker 1: the University of California and graduated from the University of California,

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Speaker 1: one of the elite public institutions in America. Clearly an

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Speaker 1: With each big moment he plays even bigger. At one point,

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Speaker 1: the final drive, he gets blitzed. When I say blitzed,

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Speaker 1: Big Ten Title game, first play of the game, All eyes,

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Speaker 1: all attention, Ohio State, the Mighty buck Eyes, the nearly

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Speaker 1: The only time that Fernando Mendoza has been more surrounded

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Speaker 2: Are we sure he's still going first overall with this

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Speaker 1: Yes, so let me continue, and That's where I'm going

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Speaker 1: with us. So with that, he gets hammered, he gets

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Speaker 1: He's an undefeated sixteen to oh quarterback, and he has

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Speaker 1: done nothing in the offseason but further cement himself and

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Speaker 1: even Eddie with all of those intangibles. Even with all

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Speaker 1: number one selection criteria, even with all of the resume,

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Speaker 1: the accolades, and the proof in the pudding that he

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Speaker 1: the Las Vegas Raiders go out and spend twenty million

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Speaker 1: they greatly believe in Mendoza, they don't think that it's

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Speaker 1: and allow Fernando Mendoza, a University of California graduate, a

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Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy winner, a guy who answered every bell in

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Speaker 1: to two decades, Yet they had or have what appears

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Speaker 1: needs time and you can't screw it up. The Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: Colts took a quarterback that had fewer starts in his

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Speaker 1: career in college than Mendoza just won in one year

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Speaker 1: in Indiana. He had far more question marks, he had

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Speaker 1: far greater inconsistency, and yes, he might have had more

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Speaker 1: And yet the Colts decided that Anthony Richardson needed to

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Speaker 1: paying the price for that decision. This goes to show

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Speaker 1: Now you raise an interesting question, Eddie, Does that make

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Speaker 1: you wonder whether or not Mendoza's the guy? Except for

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Speaker 2: Especially it's the day after his pro day.

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Speaker 1: Correct, But they also have said that they don't think

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Speaker 1: they don't feel, you know, that it's right to throw

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Speaker 1: what it appears is that they know that they have

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Speaker 1: it comes to quarterbacks in the National Football League, such

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Speaker 1: a big part of it is the circumstance in the

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Speaker 1: to learn from their mistakes? Do they have continuity of

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Speaker 1: good receivers, don't get me wrong. But there were some

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Speaker 1: interesting comments made which we'll get to coming up in

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Speaker 1: about thirty minutes, just from the other day that I

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Speaker 1: a breakdown in the colts and working with quarterbacks and

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Speaker 1: just building continuity. In building continuity, and I heard some

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Speaker 1: interesting comments that I'll play for you coming up in

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Speaker 1: about thirty minutes. You take them with a little bit

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Speaker 1: of grain of salt, or excuse me, in about twenty minutes,

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Speaker 1: I'll play him. Take them with a little bit of

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Speaker 1: grain of salt, because it's guys that played for the

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Speaker 1: Eddie Garrison, by the way, just lining up for us.

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Speaker 1: So they have to make sure that they don't screw

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Speaker 1: He of course the guy that we talk to the

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Speaker 5: three or four win I think it was four was

434
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Speaker 5: the highest that got wins behind the Kings and the

435
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Speaker 5: Kings of the Key team.

436
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Speaker 3: Because the Kings of the team in fourth.

437
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Speaker 5: To last right now, and that is where that he

438
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 5: was saying that the odds drop changes, so the bottom

439
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 5: three teams all have the same odds of ending in

440
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Speaker 5: the top four, which is the best poss blood and

441
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Speaker 5: then if you get to fourth or tied for fourth,

442
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 5: your odds go down. And so they had a four

443
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 5: game gap, which with I think it was ten games

444
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 5: to go, felt pretty significant. And then they beat Orlando,

445
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 5: which was like, okay, they want a game, ended a

446
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 5: losing streak, and then they kept trying that whole week, right,

447
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 5: they almost beat the Clippers, they did beat Miami, and

448
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 5: so that stretch was interesting because it cut their gap

449
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 5: in half. And now it leads to what just happened

450
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Speaker 5: last night, I promised him getting to the answer to

451
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Speaker 5: your question, which is they had a game against Chicago,

452
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Speaker 5: they still have a game against Brooklyn, and those are

453
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Speaker 5: their only two, including last night. The games they had

454
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Speaker 5: left against teams that were also very much influenced to lose,

455
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Speaker 5: and it's hard to do.

456
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Speaker 3: It's hard to lose those games. As you saw with

457
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Speaker 3: the Bulls.

458
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Speaker 5: Last night, their defense was just pathetic and like Tiakam

459
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 5: played twenty one minutes and they still scored one hundred

460
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Speaker 5: and forty five points and had forty nine assists that

461
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Speaker 5: all had like the Brooklyn game might look like that

462
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Speaker 5: in terms of ugliness.

463
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Speaker 3: All this to.

464
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Speaker 5: Say they cut down the gap and wiggle room they

465
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Speaker 5: had between them and fourth when they had that week

466
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Speaker 5: where they won two games in almost three and so

467
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Speaker 5: now they're two wins away from fourth, and their margin

468
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 5: for error to stay in the bottom three is basically,

469
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 5: they can win once to guarantee it. If they win twice,

470
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 5: they're rooting for the Kings, so it's you know, it's

471
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 5: winning three or five at this time of the season. Honestly,

472
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 5: a little head scratching to me the way that this

473
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 5: week has gone results wise, even though it would have

474
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Speaker 5: been hard to loose the balls last night. Don't get

475
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Speaker 5: me wrong, but I do think they, like you said no,

476
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 5: that it's top of mind that they should be aiming

477
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 5: for a bottom three record when the season ends. And

478
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 5: now they only have one more game against the team

479
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 5: for sure not playing their best foot forward.

480
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 3: We'll see what Detroit looks like in.

481
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 5: That last game, because they'll probably have the one seed

482
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 5: already locked up. So the big thing for the Pacers

483
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 5: is the Kings won last night. They went into Toronto

484
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 5: and beat the Raptros a huge upset in terms of

485
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 5: the inverse standing. So now they still have two games

486
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Speaker 5: of wiggle room the rest of the way, and if so,

487
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 5: that's huge for that.

488
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Speaker 1: So they can't. So the bottom line is this, if

489
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Speaker 1: between now and the end of the season and the Pacers,

490
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: by the way, tomorrow night in Charlotte, between now and

491
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: the end of the season, if the Pacers get another win,

492
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: then we go okay. But if they get two more wins,

493
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Speaker 1: then you're scoreboard watching. Is that the best way of

494
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: saying it.

495
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Speaker 3: Yes, that's true.

496
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Speaker 5: And the only other influence I would put up at

497
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 5: is that the Nets and Wizards, who are the other

498
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 5: two teams joining them in the bottom three, still play

499
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 5: each other one time, and so it's possible because the

500
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 5: Nets play the Wizards and the Pacers, that the Nets

501
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 5: get up to twenty wins and then things change. But yes,

502
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 5: you're the I mean, the Pacers are probably duficult for

503
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 5: watching now, honestly.

504
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: So, yes, that is the thing.

505
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 5: If they win two games, they're rooting for the Kings

506
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 5: very hard to somehow find one more win along the way.

507
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: But you know, Tony, the trick in all of this

508
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: and the challenge in it is to your point. See

509
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: I come place twenty one minutes, right, Yeah, you have

510
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: guys that if you're and I mean this is no disrespect.

511
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: I mean these guys are all I mean, you're in

512
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: the NBA, you're an elite player. I get it. But

513
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: if the Pacers are saying, let's put a roster out

514
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: there that maybe gives us less chance to win that,

515
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: you know whatever, you're still putting guys out there that

516
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: are competitors, and they are deserved of and they merit,

517
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: and it is certainly understandable that they want to put

518
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: their best foot forward, not just to try to prove

519
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: that they belong within this franchise, but in some cases

520
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: perhaps even auditioning if you will, for yes, a multi

521
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: year deal elsewhere.

522
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 3: Right, one hundred percent.

523
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Speaker 5: It's almost like a lot of them honestly with you know.

524
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Speaker 3: Most of them, like should know if they'll be backer

525
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Speaker 3: not at this stage.

526
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Speaker 5: But it's hard to lose on purpose period when you're

527
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 5: playing another team trying to lose. And yeah, like like

528
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 5: you look last night in the second half and the

529
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 5: Pacers are up twenty five, so it didn't really matter.

530
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 3: But like the lineup at the.

531
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Speaker 5: Time was like Cam Jones, Taylor Peter Jalen Slows and

532
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 5: Ben Shepherd, who's who you know, he's established, and Michah Potter,

533
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 5: like every single one of those guys is fighting for

534
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 5: either they're spot on the Pacers next year or just

535
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 5: to be in the league like somewhere. And if they

536
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 5: play well, like oh, look, they were huge part of

537
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 5: one hundred and forty five point game and had seven assists,

538
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 5: Like that's big for their chance to get another contracts

539
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 5: stay with the Pacers, you know, continue to be invested

540
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 5: in whatever it may be. So they don't you know,

541
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 5: they don't care about the universe standings. They care about

542
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 5: playing well and extending their career right, And so sure

543
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 5: the Bulls have players doing that too, but like I

544
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 5: would argue, the Pacers have at least some of the

545
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 5: better or more productive like deep reserves as we've seen,

546
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 5: like Kobe Brown's come up in a lot of discussions recently.

547
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 5: Potter has continued to you know, put numbers in the statuets,

548
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 5: so it's hard to you can't tell them the misshots

549
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 5: and like you were saying, stall turn it over whatever.

550
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 5: So if they're putting their best, so forward with those guys

551
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 5: like they're gonna win some of these games like this,

552
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 5: which makes this end of the season very dramatic.

553
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Speaker 1: By the way, did you watch the Oh, I mean,

554
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Speaker 1: I guess Rocket the space launch yesterday?

555
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Speaker 3: I actually did not.

556
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Speaker 5: I was driving up to Chicago, so I couldn't. My

557
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 5: parents were in Florida and they could see it from there.

558
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Speaker 3: How crazy is that?

559
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's cool. How far away were they?

560
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Speaker 5: I don't actually know in terms of miles, but they

561
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 5: send me a picture where they could literally was like,

562
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 5: how can you see it from that far away? That

563
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 5: blew my mind.

564
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Speaker 1: I'm curious of this. Okay, the Eddie. Did you watch

565
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: it yesterday? Nope?

566
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Speaker 2: I was driving into Pacers Okay last night.

567
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it was at six thirty five or something

568
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: like that. I'm curious of this, and you guys can

569
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Speaker 1: can tell me.

570
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Speaker 3: Here.

571
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Speaker 1: I was in the seventh grade when the Space Shuttle

572
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Speaker 1: Challenger exploded, imploded, whichever way you want to look at it.

573
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Speaker 1: And as I was watching that yesterday, and it was

574
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Speaker 1: cool to watch it. It was definitely cool to watch it,

575
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Speaker 1: But I am curious. For me, there was this nervous

576
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Speaker 1: energy in watching it, which I did not anticipate. I

577
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: didn't think that would be the case, But as I

578
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: was watching it, there was a nervous energy. And then

579
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Speaker 1: even as and it's not like it's the first thing

580
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: that's launched into space since the challenge, you don't get

581
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: me wrong, but as it was going off into orbit,

582
00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: I was still very like almost like a PTSD because

583
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: I just it instantly took me back to January of

584
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: eighty six. Now, you guys obviously would not have remembered that,

585
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: you know, that moment. So if you had watched it,

586
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: would you have had that same nervous energy when you're

587
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: watching it? Or is it only because I watched live

588
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: when that happened. Do people that were you know, you

589
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: guys have a younger the next generation below me. I

590
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: hate to say it that way, but that's the reality.

591
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: Would you have had that same hesitation when you were

592
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: watching it?

593
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 3: I think I would have.

594
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Speaker 5: I mean, the only comparison I could give you is

595
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Speaker 5: I got rear ended really bad in the interstate one time,

596
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 5: and for like a month, every time I drove on

597
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 5: the highway, I was like, undoubted that and then do

598
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 5: the whole time white neckling?

599
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 2: Right, So I would imagine, yes, Eddie, Yeah, I would.

600
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Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't know if that was just because of

601
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Speaker 1: like those of us that witnessed it in seven, you know,

602
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: in school, because the one thing about the Chrystal mccalliffe

603
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: situation was literally every kid in America had a teacher

604
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: that they actually thought was the other finalists that did

605
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: not get selected because Christopherculiffe did. And so like it

606
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: was because that was what was used to, you know,

607
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: to incorporate the minds of all of you know, young people,

608
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: to get us interested in space exploration. And so everyone

609
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: was watching it live and it was obviously traumatic. Okay,

610
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: Pacers Charlotte tomorrow, good news, I guess, Tony. And this

611
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: is this is a team in Charlotte that even though

612
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,719
Speaker 1: the Pacers have even last year when the Pacers were

613
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: really good, Charlotte is just a tough matchup for them

614
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: in general. Correct, Yeah, yeah, they And.

615
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 5: Then even for years when the Hornets were bad and

616
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 5: the Pacers were good, somehow they would lose against the Hornets, right,

617
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 5: So yeah, that'll be that'll be a tough one.

618
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 3: And the horns are really good recently.

619
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Speaker 2: And I was gonna ask you this real quick, who's

620
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: the second best player available in the draft.

621
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 5: Oh man, the second best.

622
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: Because I'm in the in the theory, in the in

623
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Speaker 2: the scenario in which the Pacers don't land that first

624
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 2: overall pick, and let's say they land the second pick

625
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: in the NBA draft lottery. When you're up that high,

626
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 2: you have to take the best player available. So who

627
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: is the second best player in this draft?

628
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 3: That's a good question.

629
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 5: I haven't watched enough to know. My only on paper

630
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 5: analysis would be that Boozer is the best, and probably

631
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 5: Demanta is the second best.

632
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 3: Talking to people.

633
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 5: Who know anything about the draft, or people of the

634
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 5: league who actually watch these guys all the time, they

635
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 5: all think Debansa might be the highest upside guy and

636
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 5: Peterson might be the second best. So combining those answers,

637
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 5: I would say aj or Cam would be number two.

638
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 3: But they all seem very the top.

639
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, I think Boozer is seen as

640
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: the guy that has the clearest understanding of what you're getting,

641
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: but de Bansa is seen as the one that has

642
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: the most potential long term reward, Peterson has the most intrigue,

643
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: and then Wilson is seen as one that could potentially

644
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: have the most force about him. And a Sean Kempway,

645
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: but also the highest possibility of being you know, joe Ilokaefer.

646
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

647
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 3: You know what somebody brought up to me extra to all.

648
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 5: So Cooper Flag was supposed to be in this draft

649
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:07,760
Speaker 5: and reclassified.

650
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 3: I was like, this would have been shame draft.

651
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: Well, I've always thought this about Cooper Flag. Cooper Flag

652
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: not only you know is young for I mean obviously

653
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 1: because he reclassified, right, so he was. But in addition

654
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: to that, and I know that he ended up going

655
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 1: to the Academy, but can you imagine Cooper Flagg playing

656
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: four years of high school basketball in Maine? Like, like,

657
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: who's guarding Cooper Flag?

658
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 6: Right?

659
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: Cooper Flag had one hundred and six points and fifty

660
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: nine rebounds last night? You know he was. He only

661
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: had three assists though, because they couldn't find anybody else

662
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: on the floor that could score.

663
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Speaker 5: I almost feel bad for Wilson this year because, I

664
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 5: mean the description of him is very good, Like he's

665
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 5: a really good player that a lot of years would

666
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 5: be in consideration for top you know, one, two, three, whatever.

667
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 5: That it's just that's the year it is, Tony.

668
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Speaker 1: I'm telling you that the to go on the way

669
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: back here. The nineteen eight nine recruiting class for Indiana

670
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: had six players in it, and Calbert Cheney was the

671
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: one that was considered the least because he missed his

672
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: senior year at Harrison with a broken foot, so out

673
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: of sight, out of mind, and then it turns out

674
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: he's the best of all of them, right, so you

675
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: just never never know. All Right, Pacers, hornets tomorrow night, Tony,

676
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: I'll have it all covered. Appreciate it as always, Tony yep.

677
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: Thanks for having Tony East joining us on the program.

678
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: When we come back. Steve Walford, by the way, coming

679
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 1: up seventeen minutes from now. But when we come back,

680
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 1: interesting comments made about the Colts brass by a couple

681
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: of guys that were on the inside. We'll let you

682
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: hear it next, former cult Eric Ebron, who did not

683
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: have a fabulous tenure here in Indianapolis. I think, and

684
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: I don't know Eric Ebron. I know people that covered

685
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: the team that liked him, but I think there are

686
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: those that would say that he was, you know, a

687
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: bit of an iconic class within the locker room. But

688
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: that's not my I'm not in the locker room, so

689
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: it's not my place to say, but he does do

690
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 1: a podcast now that he recently had on Shack Leonard,

691
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: Darius Leonard, whichever name you would like to go by

692
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: on My Soul is the name of the podcast. And

693
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Speaker 1: let's begin with Shack Leonard talking about if you recall

694
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Speaker 1: Shack Leonard, of course, at the end of his tenure

695
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: as a cult had the injury. First he had the

696
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, it was an ankle injury that

697
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: then led to a back issue, if I'm not mistaken,

698
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: and it led to surgery. And he just great player.

699
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: I mean obviously a great player and a leader and

700
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: a fan favorite, but the injuries absolutely slowed down his

701
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 1: career to the to the point where he just once

702
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 1: he came back, he was never really the same. And

703
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: obviously they parted ways and then he went on. He

704
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: was not done as a player, because he would go

705
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: on to Philadelphia and but it you know, he only

706
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: played I think five games in Philly and then then

707
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: it was over. So clearly the injuries played role. But

708
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 1: he was very open about the fact that at that

709
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: time Gus Bradley, the defensive coordinator, and Chris Ballard as well,

710
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: and first let's hear from him and talking to Eric Ebron,

711
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: just remembering how it went down in some of what

712
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: appears to be from Leonard's standpoint, the recollection he had

713
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Speaker 1: that is not favorable of Gus Bradley.

714
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Speaker 7: I don't think that I could take that mental hurt again.

715
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 7: When you give everything to somebody or organization and they

716
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 7: say that I was a bad teammate, Bro, They say

717
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 7: that I wasn't doing treatment will make myself better, and

718
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 7: I'm spending all this money bringing all these people in,

719
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Speaker 7: trying to get ready to go play for these guys.

720
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Speaker 7: That what broke my heart, bro. And when I say

721
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 7: it broke my heart, it broke my heart to a

722
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 7: point where I said, I don't want to play the

723
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 7: NFL anymore. And this is how ruthless it is. We

724
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 7: was playing bad defensively, not just because of me, but

725
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 7: somebody had to take the blank. So if the DC

726
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 7: ain't taking the blame, man's person got to go. So

727
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 7: I understood that business part of it where he's got

728
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 7: to be you mean, but just be real about it.

729
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 7: Don't talk it my name and my reputation. What I've

730
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 7: done for this organization to say that I'm a bad person.

731
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Speaker 7: I'm a bad teammate, bad leader. I don't know this

732
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Speaker 7: I walked away from because of that bro. I just

733
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Speaker 7: I didn't feel like I could give my all to

734
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Speaker 7: somebody and get stabbing him back as I deal with

735
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Speaker 7: Goods Brawley Man.

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Speaker 1: Okay, interesting comments. Now, I will say he didn't necessarily

737
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Speaker 1: walk away from it. He walked away from Indianapolis perhaps,

738
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: but you know he was if I'm not mistaken, he

739
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: was released here and then he goes to Philadelphia. But

740
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: but I understand what he's saying there. Look, I put

741
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: my heart into it, and this is what I'm getting.

742
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: And as I was listening to that, I thought, you know,

743
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: Chris Ballard speaks very favorably about Shaq Leonard, he always does,

744
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: and how much he loves him. But Eric Ebron, when

745
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: talking about injury then didn't speak as favorably about Chris Ballard.

746
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Speaker 8: Andrew Luck and I both got bone spurs in our

747
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 8: ankle going into twenty nineteen.

748
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Speaker 1: His is in the back, mine is in the front.

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Speaker 9: We're in kahoots.

750
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Speaker 8: About what are we gonna do. Are we gonna play

751
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 8: or are we gonna, you know, get the surgery. If

752
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 8: we get the surgery, we're gonna miss the first three games.

753
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 8: We're trying to win the Super Bowl this year, d Lay,

754
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 8: we have the best team in football twenty nineteen.

755
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Speaker 1: They're begging me.

756
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Speaker 8: They're like, e Brin, you can't get surgery on your

757
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 8: ankle because we have a mission.

758
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Speaker 1: We have something we need to do.

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Speaker 8: The staff got so mad at Andrew because he was

760
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 8: bringing them in and not listening to their protocol. Andrew

761
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Speaker 8: then decides that he's so tired of injury and he

762
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Speaker 8: just doesn't want to do surgery. You know who the

763
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 8: man is around there that gets on everybody's nerves, big drums.

764
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Speaker 1: Over there behind that desk.

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Speaker 8: He tells Andrew, you're either playing this year or we're

766
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Speaker 8: moving on.

767
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Speaker 1: Who the fuck would tell Andrew Luck.

768
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Speaker 3: That that's great, that that's crazy.

769
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Speaker 8: Andrew Luck now says, I'm not gonna be ready. I'm

770
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Speaker 8: tired of playing with pain. I retire. We all find

771
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 8: that out what week three and we play in the

772
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 8: Chicago Bears mid game, bro mid game, we find out

773
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 8: we're not going to have our starting quarterback for that year.

774
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Speaker 1: Now I assume I assume he's talking about Ballard there,

775
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: because I don't think they'd be talking about Jim Mersey

776
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: in that light. I think he's talking about ballad there

777
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: either way. And I know the andw Luck retirement story

778
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: is a played out one in this town, no question

779
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: about it. But I think the thing that's interesting about

780
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 1: that number one, usually the truth kind of all comes out.

781
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: Number two. Yes, there is an element of the fact

782
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: that things can get embellished or things can get told.

783
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: You know, you remember something one way, and then when

784
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: you tell the story so many times you kind of

785
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: add to it in your mind, actually psychologically changes a

786
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: little bit the realities of what took place. It wasn't

787
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: that long ago. Eric Ebron certainly was in the midst

788
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: and in the trenches for it. So is it possible

789
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: that Andrew Luck had said to him like, look, I

790
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: went in there and they said to me like, no,

791
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 1: you're yeah. I think that's possible, But at the same time,

792
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: it would probably be malpracticed for me to sit here

793
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 1: and say, here is irrefutable proof that the Colts forced

794
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: Ander Luck into a retirement. I don't think that's the case.

795
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: But I think what it does shed light on is

796
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: that when it comes down to it, athletes are competitors,

797
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: and we can sit here and say, hey, this guy

798
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: didn't play because he didn't have the heart to do it,

799
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: or this guy didn't play because he was a malcontent

800
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: that didn't like his coach, or see eye to eye

801
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: or whatever it may be. But what you hear there

802
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: are two different guys kind of from two different angles

803
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: or perspectives on it, simply talking about one thing, and

804
00:42:54,120 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: that is that injury in sport is very mental. It's

805
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 1: very very mental and for all of and I've always

806
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: thought it's a completely lazy, borish, knuckle dragging commentary to

807
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: say like that, you know, Ander Luck was a quitter

808
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: and he quit on his team, and good riddance because

809
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: he doesn't have mental strength. Okay, whatever, But you know,

810
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: one thing that you can never totally account for or

811
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: grasp is just and it's different for every individual, but

812
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: how mentally taxing injury can be, and how emotionally draining

813
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: injury can be, and how that inability to even psychologically

814
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: grasp or wrap your head around the fact that you

815
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: may not be one hundred percent again or you don't know.

816
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: Everybody and their brother wants to know when you're coming back,

817
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: and they're asking you about it, and the headlines are

818
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: about it, and the conversations are about it, and you yourself

819
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: don't even know the frustration of thattand why it would

820
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: force a guy to just say enough enough, I can't

821
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: do it. I can't do it. And that's what we

822
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: always had heard with Andrew Luck, that he just got

823
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 1: to the point where he's like, I can't do it.

824
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: And I think it probably is as simple as that.

825
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: But I do find it interesting that there is the

826
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: recollection from a teammate of his that was going through

827
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: the same thing that perhaps Andrew Luck was given some

828
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: sort of an ultimatum or challenge.

829
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Speaker 2: Can I play in on this? Why would the Colts

830
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 2: still give him all of his guarantee money and the

831
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 2: twenty million dollar parting gift if Chris Biler was given

832
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 2: him the ultimated life.

833
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: I understand this sat or the other. Although that was

834
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: the owner that did that, I understand that. I think

835
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: that's a fair point. But at the same time, I'm

836
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: not saying that that's definitively what happened. It's possible that Luck,

837
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,959
Speaker 1: in a moment of frustration, said something along those lines

838
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: and Ebron took that in the phone drill and ran

839
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: with it. But I think it speaks to the psychological

840
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: challenges that come for any athlete when injured. Steve Alford

841
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: is back for the Final Four. He is going to

842
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 1: be honored, and he's going to be honored with an

843
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: honor that is related to a man that ties a

844
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: lot with the background of Steve Alford. He joins us

845
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 1: coming up in five. Steve Alford has won seven hundred

846
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: and twenty four games as ahead basketball coach. Of course,

847
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,479
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighty seven national champion in the nineteen eighty

848
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: three Indiana Mister Basketball and now back in Indiana for

849
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: the Final Four to accept the Keys to Life Award,

850
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: which is the Coach Wooden Keys to Life Award. It

851
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: is presented annually to a member of the college or

852
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: professional basketball community who quote lives out qualities exemplified by

853
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: coach John Wooden outstanding character, integrity, and leadership on the court,

854
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 1: in the workplace, in the home, and in the community.

855
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: He joins us now on the guest line. Coach. First off,

856
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: congratulations because not only does that resonate in terms of

857
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: what that award means, but I would imagine for you

858
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: special as well be because of your deep connections to

859
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: John wood.

860
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's no question I appreciate that very much. It's

861
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 6: a very humbling honor. It's something that's if I've been

862
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 6: going through, going to at the Final Four for over

863
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 6: three decades, and I appreciate the relationship I've had with

864
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,240
Speaker 6: athletes and action and what they've meant along the lines

865
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 6: to my faith and players that I've coached, and staff

866
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 6: that I've had on my coaching staff, what they've done.

867
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 6: There's a lot of effort that goes into that. So

868
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 6: I'm very appreciative athletes and action. And then obviously with

869
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 6: Coach Wooden's name on it. My first four years of

870
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 6: Great Schools in Martinsville, so I learned very early who

871
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 6: John Wooden was and what was he about. And then

872
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 6: as crazy circles go to then be coaching at UCLA

873
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 6: down the road and obviously feeling the full impact of

874
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 6: Coach Woulden. To be honored anyway, shape or form with

875
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 6: his name on an award is very very special.

876
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 1: You know when you look at all of the things

877
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: there that are mentioned within that right, and you know,

878
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: obviously playing for your dad and seeing you know your

879
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: dad as a high school coach and all the way through.

880
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: But I'm curious, if you go back and look Steve

881
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: Alford at your career, which aspect of it or perhaps

882
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: which coach other than Sam Alford per se would you

883
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: say most instilled, and like, at what age range would

884
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: you say that the characteristics about you were most defined?

885
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 6: Oh, A lot of question and a great question, a

886
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 6: deep question, just because I've always felt and I think

887
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 6: as you get older, you since those things probably a

888
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 6: little bit more. I've always had a huge appreciation of

889
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 6: the coaches that I got to play for and the

890
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 6: guys that meant so much to me. Obviously, it started

891
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 6: in elementary school, it started in junior high, all the

892
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 6: way up to my dad in high school. And I

893
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 6: always felt Dad's been my coach forever. So the foundation

894
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 6: of the game, the disciplines, I think those things my

895
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 6: dad is always instilled in me and to this day

896
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 6: continues to and then obviously coach Knight, you know, just

897
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 6: the preparations, the film, the intense film that you go through.

898
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 6: I think that not only helped me as a player.

899
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 6: I can remember Gary Grant at Michigan was probably the

900
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 6: hardest guy I had to play against. I just thought

901
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 6: it was long athletic. I really cared about defending, and

902
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 6: I can remember just hours upon hours of film of

903
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 6: me breaking down film trying to figure out out how

904
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 6: to score on Gary. And those are things that really

905
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 6: don't happen a whole lot in high school back in

906
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 6: the eighties. It was really something that you did and

907
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 6: once you got to college kind of like with strength

908
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 6: coaches and those types of things. So Coach Knight just

909
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 6: took it, I think, to another level with preparation and

910
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 6: then professionally John McLeod Richie Alabado, Don Nelson. I just

911
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 6: I was around some not just good coaches, but just

912
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 6: really high character, good people that kind of paved the

913
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 6: way for when I got into coaching. It gave me

914
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 6: a pretty good blueprint of how I wanted to do

915
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 6: things and how I wanted to prepare people. I'm in

916
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 6: year thirty just completed year thirty five, and we had

917
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 6: notebooks when I was at Indiana, and every player that

918
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 6: I've coached has one of those notebooks if they completed

919
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 6: a year with me. So it's you take a lot

920
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 6: from the guys that mean the most from you, and

921
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,439
Speaker 6: Coach Knight and my dad meant a great, great deal

922
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 6: to me.

923
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 1: You know, I remember speaking to Gary Grant in eighty seven.

924
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: Of course, when you drove the link to the floor

925
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: to beat Michigan, and you guys thought the game was

926
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: over and ran off the floor and endo the tunnel

927
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: and I think there was a second left and they

928
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: had to bring everybody back out. That's one of the

929
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: few times Bob Knight ran from anything, right because he

930
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: was like halfway down the tunnel before they and then

931
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: they had to call you guys back out, didn't they.

932
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was one of the few times. We talk

933
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 6: about it on group chats all the time now as

934
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 6: former players, but we never really saw coach have any

935
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 6: kind of emotion after a win. There was never never

936
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 6: any emotion good or bad out of coach. He was

937
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 6: just to go walk down, shake hands the head coach,

938
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 6: and then walk to the dressing room. But that particular

939
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 6: evening and that was a huge game, a big, big

940
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 6: ten game with Michigan for doing ourselves fighting for a championship.

941
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 6: And I can remember I wasn't on the bench very often,

942
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 6: but that was in an era where you didn't bring

943
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 6: chairs out onto the court. You just sat on your

944
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 6: bench at timeouts, and they the people behind that bench

945
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 6: were absolutely brutal to coach the entire night, and so

946
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 6: I don't know if that Sturdy or what happened, but

947
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 6: just his reaction after the shot went in was pretty funny.

948
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 6: And then that we had to come back out for

949
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 6: one more second. It was probably an iconic situation they

950
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 6: had come back out to the court.

951
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like yesterday to me at times,

952
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 1: and then other times it seems like a long time ago.

953
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: What about the Steve Alford when you look back, like,

954
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: for example, Final four weekend when you're coming back. I

955
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: know it's kind of a coach's convention when you come

956
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: to the Final four and you're getting this award. But

957
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: when you come back to a Final four, do you

958
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: recollect more about the experiences you've had from a coaching

959
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: standpoint of being involved in Final four activities or do

960
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: you recall more so the trip to New Orleans.

961
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think we've been back several times since to

962
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 6: the Superdome, and I think it takes on a whole

963
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 6: new meaning. Win the Final fours in New Orleans obviously,

964
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 6: but there every time it comes to Indy, there's the

965
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 6: player memories come up. Because our first two rounds are

966
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 6: at the who's your home? That then who's your dome?

967
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 6: And it's Indianapolis, And so I think anytime it's in

968
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 6: Indy for New Orleans, it brings up player memories. The

969
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 6: other final fours probably more of the coaching stuff. Now

970
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 6: that I'm in my early sixties that you think about

971
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 6: that a little bit more. You know, if it's out

972
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 6: west or something, you've never really experienced that in college

973
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 6: when I was in Indiana. So I'd say when it's

974
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 6: in New Orleans or Indy, it probably brings back a

975
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 6: lot more memories as a player.

976
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna I mentioned this earlier. Steve Alford is

977
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: my guest, the head basketball coach of course at Nevada.

978
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: I've got a photo here that I showed Eddie earlier.

979
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: You were doing an autograph signing at Castleton Square Mall

980
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: a couple months after the national title game in eighty seven,

981
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: and I've got a photo of me leaning in while

982
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: you're signing my sports illustrated. Okay, now, not by coincidence.

983
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,479
Speaker 1: Here we have the exact same haircut. For the most part,

984
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: we have similar to the exact same shirt. We both

985
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: are wearing a gold show. All of this is by

986
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: design because I was one of ten thousand kids in

987
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: Marion County that thought I was Steve Alford, right, And

988
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: the reason I bring that up if NIL had existed

989
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: fifty years, you know, for the last fifty years, but

990
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: obviously in this case, forty years ago, would you have

991
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:23,240
Speaker 1: been the all time leader at Indiana in NIL earnings?

992
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,439
Speaker 6: Well, I was very blessed in that I went from

993
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 6: mister basketball in eighty three to an Olympian gold medals

994
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 6: to eighty four, to a national title in eighty seven,

995
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 6: So you would think those things might mirror that. But

996
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 6: I played for coach Knight, and there was nobody on

997
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 6: our team that was going to get any money from ANIL.

998
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 6: If Coach Knight is the coach, it would be donated

999
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 6: to the library fund. It would be donated somewhere on

1000
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 6: campus that was outside of our realm. So I'm not

1001
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 6: sure Coach, and there's probably several coaches I think about

1002
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 6: that knot or would not tolerate kind of the guidelines

1003
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 6: we have today.

1004
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: Because I'm gonna be honest with you, Steve, if Sam

1005
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: Alford had come up with the Big Baller brand shoes

1006
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: for one hundred and twenty five bucks, a pop in

1007
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven. I would have waited in line to

1008
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: buy him. My entire East to A team would have

1009
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:18,760
Speaker 1: been waiting in line to buy the Alford Big Baller

1010
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: brand shoes. I'm not gonna lie to you, right, the

1011
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: feathered hair, the whole deal, right.

1012
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 6: I mean, LeVar Ball has probably got that lane. So,

1013
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 6: like Levart says, we got to stay in our own lane,

1014
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 6: So I got to stay in my own lane. There.

1015
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: The reason I asked that is because you know now

1016
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: you are in a situation on the other side of

1017
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: it from a coaching standpoint in Nil and I know

1018
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: that you have been you know you've spoken about this

1019
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: a lot, and I'm curious from a coaching standpoint, and

1020
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,439
Speaker 1: I don't know what the answer is. Do we need

1021
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: to come up with or does there need to be

1022
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 1: some sort of a uniform governing body if you will,

1023
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: on exactly how this can all work out between the

1024
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 1: portal and everything else, and how much jeopardy does it

1025
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: put some programs in in terms of this arms race.

1026
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,399
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a great question. And I've spent a lot

1027
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 6: of time when Coach was alive and living in Lubbock

1028
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 6: and I was in New Mexico, and I guess spent

1029
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 6: a lot of times when at least two three times

1030
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 6: a year I would fly into Lubbock, and I can

1031
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 6: remember him talking about it then and not so much

1032
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,879
Speaker 6: about NIL, but he talked about how there was it

1033
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 6: looked like things were going to where college basketball is

1034
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 6: going to have to think about what football does to

1035
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 6: where you have one A one double A basically FCSFBS

1036
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 6: however you want to say it, but you have a

1037
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 6: split because it's impossible to have three hundred and sixty schools.

1038
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 6: Look at class Look at what's happened in the state

1039
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 6: of Indiana with class basketball. It used to be three

1040
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 6: hundred and sixty five competing under the same umbrella for

1041
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 6: the same championship, the same tournament. Now not only do

1042
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 6: you have class basketball, but it saw an article day.

1043
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 6: Those things change because enrollment's change. So you jump from

1044
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 6: two eight to three A, three A back to two

1045
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 6: A maybe four. Hey. But so it's really hard to

1046
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 6: get everybody three hundred and sixty five collegiately to vote

1047
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 6: the same way, to come up with the same things

1048
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 6: that's going to help each other. I'm on a committee

1049
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 6: now that you know we would work very hard to

1050
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 6: get this pass to where the portal wouldn't open until

1051
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 6: after the championship. But there are a lot of coaches

1052
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 6: that feel like it should be opening in mid March

1053
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 6: because that favors them and their school much better than

1054
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 6: what it would a Nevada or a Power five school.

1055
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,879
Speaker 6: So I think that's where we're trending, you know, with

1056
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 6: no anti you know, we need anti trust laws, and

1057
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 6: that's going to have to be government deal. We're in

1058
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:54,280
Speaker 6: war in the Middle East. There's a lot more important things,

1059
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 6: I probably think, government wise than it is trying to

1060
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 6: figure out an anti trust law that helped in CLA

1061
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 6: and the governing of what's going on. There are no guardrails.

1062
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 6: There basically are no rules, and that's always going to

1063
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 6: favor the ones that have and they have nots are

1064
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 6: going to suffer, and most of the have nots are

1065
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 6: going to be mid majors and low majors. And I

1066
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 6: think that's probably why the Cinderella stories and those things

1067
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 6: are could be could be something that we're not going

1068
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 6: to see anymore. You got a Miami Ohile team that

1069
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 6: wins thirty one games and they're in a play on,

1070
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 6: They're in a playing game. I think fifteen years ago,

1071
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 6: that probably probably doesn't happen. They're probably in a nine

1072
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 6: to ten seed. So you just see that happening. And

1073
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 6: it's always going to be the TV revenue. And I

1074
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 6: love hearing the TV personalities. They're always going to speak

1075
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 6: on behalf of what whoever they work for, that's who

1076
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 6: they're because the TV money is what's driving it. But

1077
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 6: the coaches don't. I think the coach sometimes hurt the

1078
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 6: whole situation because coaches are moving and chasing the money

1079
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 6: and the NIL packages just like players are. So I

1080
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 6: don't blame the players, and I'm not saying I blame

1081
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 6: the coaches. I just think if there's no rules and

1082
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 6: there's no guidelines, players are going to chase the money.

1083
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 6: The coaches are going to play, not just chase the

1084
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 6: money in the contracts, They're going to chase what school

1085
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 6: offers the most nil that I can go pay players.

1086
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 6: And so you have all that chase going on. And

1087
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 6: now what you miss in college basketball. There was always

1088
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 6: when I played, in my first twenty five thirty years

1089
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,479
Speaker 6: in coaching, you could watch college basketball, you could watch

1090
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 6: the NBA basketball. You could be a lover of both

1091
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 6: or you say I like amateur basketball better than I

1092
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 6: like professional basketball, or vice versa. Now you've really got

1093
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 6: college basketball that is a much better version than the

1094
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 6: G League because you're going to make more money in

1095
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 6: college basketball than you are in the G League. So

1096
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 6: we're a professional sport now with open free agency. We're

1097
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 6: the only sport that I know of or institution collegiately

1098
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 6: that has any kind of open free agency. And so

1099
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 6: when you have an open free agency, you're gonna have

1100
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 6: people moving. So now fans, you're going to have one

1101
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 6: team of ten new players, and then the next year

1102
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 6: you're going to have ten more new players, and the

1103
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 6: next year ten more new players. And so those fans

1104
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 6: that like to grow with their players coming in as

1105
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 6: freshmen and you get to know them and see them

1106
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:30,919
Speaker 6: develop from freshmen to sophomore to junior graduate, come back

1107
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 6: to an alumni base you're going to have. I think

1108
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 6: you're going to have four or five years from now,

1109
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 6: you're going to have a vast majority of college basketball

1110
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 6: players just talking about my sport. I think football is

1111
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 6: the same way. In college basketball. Kids are going to go, hey,

1112
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 6: where's my reunion at where's my teammates that which where

1113
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 6: am I going? And you're like, I went to four

1114
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 6: different schools, so where is the team I'm supporting now?

1115
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 6: Where is my group of teammates? Because it's a lot

1116
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 6: of fun for me whatever happens in the sport. There's

1117
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 6: probably about twelve to fifteen of us IU players in

1118
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 6: my era that are on group chats when something happens,

1119
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 6: and that's fun. That's exciting football. IU football this year

1120
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 6: was so exciting for us because when we went to

1121
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 6: school in the eighties, I don't know if we won

1122
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 6: more in two games a year alone. Going in to

1123
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 6: feed and winning a national title, those things are fun

1124
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 6: as you get older, and I think the people we're

1125
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 6: producing now are going to be one of two things,

1126
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 6: or it could be both. You're not going to get

1127
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 6: a degree because every time you transfer, you lose credits,

1128
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 6: so getting your degree is going to be very very hard.

1129
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 6: And then four or five years from now, when you

1130
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,439
Speaker 6: want to show loyalty to your school, you don't really

1131
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 6: know who that is. And I think that's very unfortunate

1132
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 6: because I think that was a big piece of college athletics.

1133
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 1: I mean, my concern and you tell me this may

1134
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: be Steve Alford the dumbest thing that anybody's ever asked you, right,

1135
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: and I have a habit of that. But my concern

1136
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: would be that the NCAA until we get this under control,

1137
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: and that's the wrong way, but until we have an

1138
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: idea of some sort of uniformity of it. I guess

1139
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: it is a better way of saying it that the

1140
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: NCAA would look at it and say, we need to

1141
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 1: favor on selection Sunday. Now, we need to favor those

1142
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: from the Power forward because that's our bread and butter.

1143
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 1: Number one and number two. They could secede and become

1144
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 1: the G League. They could break away from the NCAAA

1145
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: with all of this money that's coming through. So therefore

1146
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: that hurts the Nevadas of the world. That hurts the

1147
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 1: Mountain West, or the Non Power Force on selection Sunday,

1148
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: or the Miamis because they would rather favor having a

1149
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 1: thirteen lost ninth team out of the SEC than a

1150
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: deserving team out of one of the non power fors

1151
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 1: am I way off base with my paranoia there.

1152
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, I think there's concerns. I think there's concerns

1153
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 6: of how the tournament. You look at this tournament this year,

1154
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 6: I've already mentioned mayam Ohio. The year they had was

1155
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 6: second to none to anybody. Forget you know, the strinth

1156
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 6: to schedule and you go through five months and you

1157
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 6: lose one game, and so yeah, you get in the tournament,

1158
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 6: but you're in a play you're basically play in. That's

1159
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 6: a hard seed. Eleventh seed play in is really difficult.

1160
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 6: I've had that seed. That's a really difficult seed. What

1161
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 6: Texas did this year in eleventh seed was impressive because

1162
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 6: you're playing three games in one week. Our team, Utah

1163
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 6: State in our league. They were dominant throughout the season,

1164
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 6: non conference and conference, an old, mature team, really smart basketball.

1165
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 6: IQ coach callingn did a phenomenal job with this team.

1166
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 6: And they win our league, they win our conference tournament,

1167
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 6: and we're the sixth rated league in the country, so

1168
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 6: we're the first non Power five conference in the country.

1169
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 6: Rang and they get a nine seed. There's nothing worse

1170
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 6: than a ninth seed. You're in the eight to nine game,

1171
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 6: and oh, if you win that game, you're playing the

1172
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 6: number one seed in the country. So not just getting in,

1173
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 6: but I think you'll see these teams get in. But

1174
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 6: through the seating process, it's like you're not going to

1175
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 6: be here long. And I think that's what's going to happen.

1176
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 6: And again, not blaming players, and I'm I'm not advocating

1177
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 6: players shouldn't get paid now that we're in twenty twenty six,

1178
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 6: but open free agency and the lack of education that's

1179
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 6: taking place, like I can, I can tell you this,

1180
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 6: and coaches are, in my opinion, they're lying if they

1181
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 6: don't tell the truth. If kids got four classes taken,

1182
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 6: three of them are online. Oh so you see a

1183
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 6: lot of you see a lot of teams now throughout

1184
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 6: the country. We were one of them last year that

1185
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 6: turned down postseason. You literally turned down postseason because the

1186
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 6: kids know they're online, they're going to go in the portal.

1187
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 6: So we didn't make the Ncable Tournament. We're going to

1188
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 6: turn these things down.

1189
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 3: And that's that's sad.

1190
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 6: I told our team this year. No, we're playing in

1191
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 6: an I I played in my sophomore year. We got

1192
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 6: beat by Reggie Miller and the UCLA championship game in

1193
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 6: Madison Square Garden. We still talk about it to this day.

1194
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 6: We talk about that in it run and it paid

1195
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 6: the way for a national championship two years later. Those

1196
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 6: are exciting times that these kids are just foregoing because

1197
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 6: they're in too big a hurry to get into the

1198
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 6: portal and get onto the next spot. I think that's

1199
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 6: a wrong, wrong makeup.

1200
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: At any point that it or has it steve led to.

1201
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 1: You know, you're on contract through twenty nine through twenty

1202
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 1: twenty nine, I believe at Nevada if I'm not mistaken

1203
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 1: in that. But were there ever times where you thought

1204
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 1: to yourself, you know what, I can go into broadcasting.

1205
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: I can go back, you know and watch my kids

1206
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: playing professionally, whatever it might be, watch my kids. Coach.

1207
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: Was there ever a time where it tempted you to

1208
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 1: walk away from coaching?

1209
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, I think there's always a temptation, And it's

1210
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 6: not so much walking away as it is you know,

1211
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 6: you got grandchildren, You've got family, You've got a lot

1212
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 6: of you know, because coaches they sacrifice a lot, just

1213
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 6: like players do. Or what if we get Thanksgiving, we're

1214
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 6: lucky if we get Christmas, and those things don't happen

1215
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 6: very often. So you look at everything, but I look

1216
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 6: at it as my staff. I've tried to invest in

1217
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 6: our staff and that players need us more than ever

1218
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 6: right now because they don't understand what's going on. They

1219
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 6: It used to be players used to put their name

1220
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 6: in the NBA Draft because they thought it was cool.

1221
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 6: All my name's in the draft. And then they figure

1222
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 6: out you're not going to get drafted. See you're coming

1223
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 6: back to school. And now the cool thing is I

1224
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 6: got to put my name in the portal. I got

1225
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 6: to be one of the five to six thousand to

1226
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 6: put my name in the portal. That's cool. It's what

1227
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 6: it gets me like, it gets me DMS. It's a

1228
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 6: cool thing to do, but they don't really understand it,

1229
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 6: and they don't understand the magnitude of what's going on,

1230
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 6: and so it's just much much different. It's like being

1231
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 6: a there's a lot of general managing going on more

1232
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 6: than just coaching, because you're trying to your school or

1233
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 6: rev share whatever it is. You got this tool of money. Now,

1234
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 6: how you getting twelve thirteen players to fit in this

1235
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 6: pool of money. That's a lot different than it used

1236
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 6: to be. The education was the main deal that has

1237
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 6: really taken a hit, and I think that's what ultimately

1238
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 6: down the road, I'm most concerned with. Yeah, you're making

1239
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 6: money now, but you're not making enough money to where

1240
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 6: if you don't sustain that through education and taking a

1241
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 6: job when you're done playing, I couldn't have probably accomplished.

1242
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:30,919
Speaker 6: I was very very fortunate, very blessed of the things

1243
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 6: I accomplished from the ages of seventeen to twenty two.

1244
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 6: And yet I I played four years professionally and at

1245
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 6: twenty six my playing career was over. And so a

1246
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 6: lot of players aren't even going to get to twenty six.

1247
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 6: So if you have no degree, if you don't have

1248
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 6: no educational foundation, it's really difficult on these young men.

1249
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 6: Even though they're making more money in that era that

1250
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 6: I played in, you're going to make money, obviously, you're

1251
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 6: still without an education. You're without that foundation to where

1252
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 6: that next career starts, and you're going to spend most

1253
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 6: of your life in that career versus playing.

1254
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 1: Okay, lastly, Steve, I mentioned this to you, but in conclusion,

1255
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 1: I had to point this out. Okay, when I was

1256
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, when I was in the eighth grade,

1257
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: we took a school field trip to DC. We're in

1258
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 1: the Smithsonian and they said, oh, you get to see

1259
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 1: the Hope diamond. It's the largest diamond in the world,

1260
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, I thought it was going to

1261
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 1: be like the size of a billboard, right, and then

1262
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 1: we get there and it's I don't know what's the size,

1263
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 1: and I was disappointed by it, right, I was disappointed.

1264
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 1: So you can imagine I'm driving through Newcastle on my

1265
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 1: way back from the IndyCar Race at mid Ohio. I

1266
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 1: think it was last year, and I thought, you know what,

1267
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 1: I've never actually gone in. Seemed like the town of Newcastle.

1268
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 1: So I drive in and I thought, well, I want

1269
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 1: to see the backboard that Steve Alford had. I remember it.

1270
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 1: You'd always see it on television. They'd show it like

1271
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 1: every other IU game, your childhood driveway backboard that had

1272
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 1: I don't know who painted it, but it had the

1273
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 1: EU logo, the Newcastle Trojan and the Olympic rings on

1274
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 1: it. It was beautiful, right, And I pull up and I

1275
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 1: realized that your folks don't live there anymore. But I

1276
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: pull up and the hoop is gone. And then I thought, well,

1277
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:04,959
Speaker 1: that should be in the Hall of Fame, the Indian

1278
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame in Newcastle or something. And it was

1279
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 1: the disappointment of me. The same level about the Hope Diamond,

1280
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 1: who in the world took the basketball hoop out and

1281
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 1: did you get first right of his shosal to purchase it.

1282
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 6: I'm not sure. I'm not sure it manager's up to

1283
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 6: the Hope Diamond, but I do appreciate that, and it

1284
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 6: is there is a sacrilegious thing obviously going on because

1285
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 6: one not just because it was my backboard, but my

1286
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 6: brother in law painted it, and then my grandfather laid

1287
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 6: the foundation because he was a prick mason and any concrete.

1288
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 6: So I had the most leveled driveway. It was exactly

1289
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 6: ten foot high and I've spent a lot of time

1290
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 6: on that. So when it went down, I was very,

1291
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 6: very disappointed in that. But the secondly, not to have

1292
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 6: a goal on your driveway. That makes no sense. If

1293
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 6: you live in Indiana, there should be a hoop up

1294
01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 6: on your driveway. So but it's it's carried me through

1295
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 6: to all my places. I've been very blessed wherever I've been,

1296
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 6: but we've had a hoop just about everywhere. And part

1297
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 6: of when we look for a new home, there's got

1298
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 6: to be a level driveway. And a lot of these

1299
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,599
Speaker 6: realtors outside of Indiana don't understand the meaning of that.

1300
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 6: But if you're in Indiana, like it says in forty

1301
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:20,679
Speaker 6: nine states. It's one thing Indiana is a little different.

1302
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm telling you whoever like it should have been

1303
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 1: actually a requirement when purchasing the home. You're purchasing the

1304
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:29,719
Speaker 1: home and the backboard. There is no discussion allowed.

1305
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 3: It's gotta state.

1306
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, no discussion allow. Well, listen, coach. I appreciate the

1307
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 1: time and welcome back to Indiana obviously anytime you're back,

1308
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 1: but also congratulations on a well deserved award when it

1309
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 1: comes to the athletes and action in John Wooden, and

1310
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: I know what both of those mean to you, so

1311
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 1: certainly soak it all up and enjoy the weekend.

1312
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 6: I appreciate so much. Thanks for having me on. God

1313
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:51,720
Speaker 6: blessing us.

1314
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 1: You and the family appreciate it. Steve wall for joining

1315
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 1: me on the guest line. Speaking of those coming back,

1316
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 1: by the way for the final four, there is a

1317
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 1: player there, two of them for the Illinois fighting a line.

1318
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 1: They're going to be back in Indiana to try to

1319
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 1: win a national championship, just like Steve Alford did as

1320
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 1: a matter of fact back in nineteen eighty seven. And

1321
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 1: we will talk to one of the next thank you

1322
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 1: to Steve Alford for the time. In perspective, Jeremiah with

1323
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 1: a really good point when he said, man, I did

1324
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 1: not expect to hear Steve Alford comparing class basketball to

1325
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:25,600
Speaker 1: the way the NCAA could be headed. Totally agree, but

1326
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 1: great perspective. And again, five coaches that have taken five

1327
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 1: schools to the NCAA Tournament fran McCaffrey, Tubby Smith, Rick Patino,

1328
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 1: Lon Krueger, and Steve Alford. And you know, when you're

1329
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 1: a coach that has been doing it for as long

1330
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 1: as he has won seven hundred plus games in one

1331
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 1: you know what sixty five percent of your games, nearly

1332
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 1: seventy percent of your games, You're going to be, in

1333
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 1: many ways seen as kind of the elder statesman spokes

1334
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 1: person for a lot of different discussions or panels or

1335
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 1: whatever it may be with college basketball. And I think

1336
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 1: that he can offer also unique perspectives in the fact

1337
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 1: that he's coached in the Big Ten. He's coached in

1338
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 1: the Pac ten or Pac twelve, which now obviously UCLA

1339
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:25,839
Speaker 1: in the Big Ten, the Mountain West, you know, the mobile.

1340
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he's been in different leagues, so he has

1341
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:33,480
Speaker 1: the understanding I think of the way that college basketball

1342
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: goes at various levels of program, if you will, Illinois

1343
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 1: is one of those in the final four. Obviously, Ben

1344
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 1: Humrickhouse is from Tipton, started at Evansville, now a member

1345
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 1: of the Aliini, and we anticipate hearing from him in

1346
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: Illinois basketball coming up in the next couple of minutes.

1347
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 1: But we'll see with that. We haven't gotten into Eddie

1348
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaker 1: a lot just in terms of the Final four your expectation,

1349
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:04,800
Speaker 1: and we probably will do this a lot tomorrow, I

1350
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 1: would imagine. But there always is in the Final four

1351
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 1: a very clear like undercard game, and in this case,

1352
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 1: because it does not feature a number one seed, when

1353
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 1: you look at Illinois and Connecticut, you know you say, well,

1354
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 1: that's clear to the undercard. But I'm telling you either

1355
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 1: one of those two obviously could win it. And Illinois

1356
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 1: at the way that they can shoot the basketball in

1357
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 1: all areas, you can't count them out, right, No, I

1358
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 1: don't think you can at all.

1359
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 2: I don't think you can count out Dan Hurley either,

1360
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 2: for what he's been able to do with Yukon and

1361
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 2: how dominant the Huskies have been post Sweet sixteen in

1362
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:52,639
Speaker 2: Hurley's era and you know Hurley.

1363
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 1: It took me a second to realize. I mean, I

1364
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:57,679
Speaker 1: should have thought about this, and if I had watched

1365
01:12:57,680 --> 01:12:59,559
Speaker 1: the game as opposed to listening to it while driving back,

1366
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:01,679
Speaker 1: I probably heard more about it. But it is funny

1367
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:06,839
Speaker 1: to think that you know Danny Hurley and that dagger

1368
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 1: in the latest in the history with Duke, and yet

1369
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 1: Bobby Hurley, his brother, was so often and so much

1370
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:15,719
Speaker 1: on the other side of it for the Blue Devils.

1371
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 1: But joining us now in the program, he is back

1372
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 1: in Indiana, native of Tipton, played at Evansville now with

1373
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 1: the aligne I. Where as a six' nine, forward he's

1374
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 1: putting in six a game For illinois and you never

1375
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 1: know what he might hit one of those threes we

1376
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 1: talked about For Brad underwood's. Group And Ben hummerkhouse joins

1377
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 1: us on the. Program, ben how are, you congratulations on

1378
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 1: coming back for The final.

1379
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 3: Four i'm, great thank. You how are?

1380
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 1: You i'm, well thank, You AND i think everybody here

1381
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 1: is excited about this final. Four there are connections really

1382
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 1: for all four schools To indiana in some, way but

1383
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 1: for you, personally you, know this has to be just

1384
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 1: an absolute, dream right because you start At, evansville you

1385
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 1: end up transferring To, Illinois and it seems to me

1386
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 1: like it's been really in the last say two months

1387
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 1: of the, season that it's all kind of come together

1388
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 1: for you, guys especially offensively. Speaking what about from your,

1389
01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:09,560
Speaker 1: perspective when did you feel was the time of the.

1390
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 1: Year Did illinois has been playing their best?

1391
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 2: Basketball?

1392
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 10: YEAH i think for us it really has started through.

1393
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:20,600
Speaker 10: Adversity AND i think it started for us when we

1394
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 10: came home having lost at home Against. NEBRASKA i, MEAN i,

1395
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 10: remember we had a really really tough, week a lot of,

1396
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 10: physicality a lot of trying to figure out what's our

1397
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 10: identity as a, team AND i think things from there

1398
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 10: started to.

1399
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 3: CLICK i mean EVEN i mean we won twelve games

1400
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:36,600
Speaker 3: in a.

1401
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 10: Row even from there we faced another another stretch of,

1402
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 10: adversity AND i think coming back from The Big Ten

1403
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:47,720
Speaker 10: tournament heading into The national, tournament there was a there

1404
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 10: was a level of urgency that was unique coming from

1405
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 10: our team in the way that we responded to our

1406
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 10: loss in The Big Ten tournament and heading into The

1407
01:14:56,400 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 10: national tournament knowing what the abruptness of the year. IS i,

1408
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 10: mean once you, lose you go, home and So i've

1409
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:06,719
Speaker 10: loved our preparation heading into each game of this, tournament

1410
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 10: the way we've taken it one game at a, time

1411
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 10: AND i mean really just leaned in and trusted the

1412
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 10: brothers around us and the staff and our supporting staff

1413
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 10: as we just continue to hope to make a great.

1414
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:21,840
Speaker 1: Run you, know when you look at your, JOURNEY i

1415
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 1: mean you start out in AI, a, RIGHT i mean

1416
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 1: here you Are tipton's obviously a place that has had

1417
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: great players come through, it And indiana high school basketball

1418
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 1: Is indiana high school, basketball. Right but coming out of

1419
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 1: high school you end up at THE naia level At

1420
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 1: huntington and then you transfer To evansville and now To.

1421
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: Illinois has that journey helped, YOU i guess in basically

1422
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 1: being patient in for this particular. Group like you talk

1423
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 1: about when adversity comes your, way does it kind of

1424
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 1: seem relative to?

1425
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 3: You? Yeah.

1426
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:54,599
Speaker 10: ABSOLUTELY i MEAN i mean BEFORE i really get into,

1427
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 10: THAT i have to Give god all the glory for.

1428
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:59,559
Speaker 10: This for, this WHAT i could say is a lot

1429
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,680
Speaker 10: of this Is god's grace just continuing to help me to,

1430
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:06,640
Speaker 10: persevere to push to, grow to challenge. Myself but then

1431
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 10: Even god's sovereignty of putting me in positions with great.

1432
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 10: PEOPLE i, Mean huntington was an incredible experience for me

1433
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 10: WHERE i got to learn so much about about just

1434
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 10: how to, grow how to how to trust the staff around,

1435
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:20,680
Speaker 10: you how to how to BECOME i mean even a

1436
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 10: better basketball, player but a better. Man and then like

1437
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:24,800
Speaker 10: the way THAT i had to adapt and grow At

1438
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 10: evansville and then now being here at The university Of,

1439
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 10: illinois where roles may have shifted over my two, years

1440
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 10: and especially coming From evansville and the way that that,

1441
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 10: WAS i think a lot of. It so much of

1442
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 10: my journey is about trusting the staff that's around, you

1443
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 10: and then being so blessed to play with great people

1444
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 10: and so now here with this, team you're able to

1445
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 10: kind of present to. Them why just being, patient being process,

1446
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 10: oriented being a team, player and just i mean always

1447
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 10: committing to the day that's in front of. You why

1448
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 10: that's so Important AND i think that's shown over the. Season,

1449
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 10: now why late into the season we're having incredible success,

1450
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 10: offensively but even especially defensively as we're playing with an

1451
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:07,600
Speaker 10: extra connectivity as a.

1452
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:10,800
Speaker 1: Team you, know it's, Interesting, ben when you look at

1453
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:14,879
Speaker 1: THE aligni. Roster, yeah there are a lot of players

1454
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 1: that have come the securitiest route to end up playing

1455
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 1: For Brad, underwood and a lot of different journeys in different,

1456
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 1: stories and YET i think it takes a special kind

1457
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 1: of coach to be able to blend all of those

1458
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 1: personalities and backgrounds together for a common. Goal what is it,

1459
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 1: like you, know just in terms of the camaraderie you

1460
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 1: have with your teammates and perhaps at the same, time

1461
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,719
Speaker 1: the understanding that all of you have taken different paths

1462
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 1: to get.

1463
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 10: There, yeah it definitely starts at the top With Coach.

1464
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 10: Underwood one of the Things i've always appreciated About Coach

1465
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 10: underwood is the way that he is able to bring

1466
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:54,320
Speaker 10: guys in and make it feel like they're welcome and

1467
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 10: at home very.

1468
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:57,640
Speaker 3: EARLY a lot of that is setting the.

1469
01:17:57,680 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 10: CULTURE i, mean the culture around here is, winning but

1470
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:02,120
Speaker 10: also the culture that this is a, Family this is

1471
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 10: a brotherhood of every day.

1472
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 3: GUYS i EVEN i even felt last year.

1473
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 10: For me that it was very easy to get Into

1474
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 10: illinois and know what was expected of, you and then

1475
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 10: it built a trust among the coaching staff and. Yourself

1476
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 10: and so now WITH i, mean we talk so much

1477
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 10: about The european. Guys when we talk about guys from

1478
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 10: all over the, country AND i mean even even Like

1479
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 10: brandon From Puerto rico and and all these different places

1480
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 10: and backgrounds and cultures, that, uh there's so much of

1481
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:29,760
Speaker 10: a sense of. FAMILY i, know AND i know everybody says,

1482
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:32,640
Speaker 10: that but there's a sense of family that That illinois

1483
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 10: may be unique in the way that we approach like

1484
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 10: recruitment and and stuff like, that but everybody that come

1485
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 10: that comes here to the, university like has a home,

1486
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:42,719
Speaker 10: here AND i think that has.

1487
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:46,680
Speaker 3: Built a connectivity for us. Early, uh that that is unique.

1488
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 10: In the world of college basketball now at the portal,

1489
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:52,760
Speaker 10: age but ESPECIALLY i mean the ability to trust one

1490
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 10: another once we get on the floor because we've spent

1491
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 10: hours off the floor, growing, CONNECTING i mean even just

1492
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:02,480
Speaker 10: becoming do that love to be around one another.

1493
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:03,800
Speaker 3: And love to play basketball with one.

1494
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 1: Another ben Humbric house is my guest native Of. Tipton of,

1495
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:09,519
Speaker 1: course with The illinois fighting and LINE i in The

1496
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 1: final four taken On. Connecticut, ben you guys got a

1497
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 1: really special player and a young. Player you obviously are

1498
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 1: a veteran. Team you guys have a lot of you,

1499
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 1: know upperclassmen on your. Team But Keaton woggler has been

1500
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 1: special from day. One and he is not a guy that,

1501
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 1: was you, know your proverbial hat dance ON espn five,

1502
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 1: star big time. Recruit but he's been special from day, one.

1503
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 1: Seemingly what was the first time that you, NOTICED, whoa

1504
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 1: this guy's got something in.

1505
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 3: Him, YEAH i, mean Keen keen is extremely.

1506
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 10: SPECIAL i, mean everybody's going to talk about like the

1507
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 10: scoring performances TO i, mean the big plays and. Moments

1508
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:49,679
Speaker 10: but one of the things That i've always noticed About

1509
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 10: Keenan woggler is the kids a. WINNER i remember through the,

1510
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 10: SUMMER i was sitting down with Coach jones and AND

1511
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 10: i mean my big emphasis on coming back IS i

1512
01:19:58,600 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 10: just want to. WIN i don't care how that. Happen

1513
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 10: and SO i was messing with, him like with the

1514
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 10: open gyms stuff that like you can take as serious

1515
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 10: as you. Want AND i told, him, Like i've won

1516
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 10: every open gym and he's, like, well he's, like you've actually,

1517
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:14,439
Speaker 10: lost Because keaton's won every open. Gym and that's the

1518
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 10: thing About keaton that's been from day one Is keaton

1519
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:20,680
Speaker 10: wins every. Drill he presents his best foot every day in,

1520
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 10: Practice he's truly an every day, guy and SO i

1521
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 10: knew very early on that he was going.

1522
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 3: To be special because of his dedication to winning for this.

1523
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 1: Program i'm curious of. This you know you're, married, Correct

1524
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 1: you were married a couple of what six months? Ago

1525
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 1: is that?

1526
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah back back at the end Of.

1527
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 1: December, Okay, so and your wife is An illinois basketball,

1528
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 1: player played Basketball university Of. Illinois for you, personally what

1529
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 1: does that mean to have a partner that understands not

1530
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:54,640
Speaker 1: just the, game but more importantly understands the mental aspect

1531
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:58,839
Speaker 1: and the emotional toll that can come with playing college

1532
01:20:58,880 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 1: basketball at a high.

1533
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 6: Level. Yeah.

1534
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:04,160
Speaker 10: Absolutely adahlia is one of the greatest blessings That god

1535
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:04,599
Speaker 10: has given.

1536
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:04,720
Speaker 11: ME.

1537
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 3: U i, mean the greatest.

1538
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:08,400
Speaker 10: DECISION i ever made was to trust That jesus as

1539
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:10,719
Speaker 10: My lord And. Savior of the second was to marry

1540
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 10: my Wife, Adalia and she's been such a blessing for.

1541
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:16,640
Speaker 10: Me as you, say, uh and that she understands the,

1542
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 10: Game she understands the mental toil that you, face the

1543
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 10: way adversity can, come and then how long a season

1544
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 10: is for. Sure but one of the great things ABOUT

1545
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 10: i Mean dalla is that she like often when things get,

1546
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:30,080
Speaker 10: hard she's great at pointing me back To, jesus back

1547
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:33,560
Speaker 10: to the. Center and even she understands, That, LIKE i

1548
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 10: do basketball all, day AND i can be hard on

1549
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 10: myself AND i can do, that but When i'm able

1550
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 10: to go home to my, wife it's it's a it's

1551
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 10: like it's a safe haven for.

1552
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 3: Me where we can do.

1553
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:47,599
Speaker 10: Basketball she has plenty of, pointers especially defensively because if

1554
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:50,680
Speaker 10: you know, her she can guard the. Basketball And i've

1555
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 10: learned a lot from. Her but WHEN i go, home

1556
01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:55,560
Speaker 10: it's my safe haven where WHERE i get to just

1557
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 10: Be ben AND i get to step outside of the

1558
01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:01,600
Speaker 10: basketball and uh and and and be. Myself we AND i,

1559
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 10: mean we do a ton of stuff that we love,

1560
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 10: together whether it's like reading or hanging out getting, coffee

1561
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:09,080
Speaker 10: food and. Stuff and so she's been an incredible blessing

1562
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 10: to me THAT i thank The lord for every.

1563
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:13,559
Speaker 1: Day, now there are five, thousand two hundred and seventy

1564
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 1: five people that's an estimate that live In, Tipton. Indiana

1565
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:18,720
Speaker 1: of the fifty two hundred and seventy five people In,

1566
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 1: Tipton i'd like to know how many of them have

1567
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 1: asked you for?

1568
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 3: Tickets i've Been i've been pretty.

1569
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 10: Good but, well the great thing Is i've had like

1570
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:30,400
Speaker 10: some buddies text, Me BUT i don't have any social.

1571
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:33,639
Speaker 10: Media so anybody that's ever DMed me asking for, TICKETS

1572
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 10: i haven't. Seen and SO i can only imagine THAT

1573
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:40,599
Speaker 10: i CAN i can only imagine some of our guys

1574
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 10: from some more popular areas how many how many times

1575
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 10: they've been, asked and it might be more than, five

1576
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:47,000
Speaker 10: seven hundred and twenty.

1577
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 1: Five, well so in, conclusion you, KNOW i would imagine

1578
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:53,320
Speaker 1: it's a, whirlwind AND i certainly hope that you guys

1579
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 1: are given the time to just kind of absorb the

1580
01:22:56,520 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 1: special nature of all of. This, Right but what is

1581
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:02,759
Speaker 1: the schedule like for you? GUYS i, mean how compact

1582
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 1: is it and how much time do you get to

1583
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 1: even visit with people that may be coming down from.

1584
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 3: Home, well it's it's it's a good it's a good.

1585
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:13,560
Speaker 10: BALANCE i, mean like this morning we had practice and

1586
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:15,600
Speaker 10: we did some media and a bunch of you, know

1587
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:17,800
Speaker 10: doing stuff in front of, cameras and tonight we'll have

1588
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 10: some like some fan festivities with with some. Fans but

1589
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 10: so there's there's some balance where you get some time with,

1590
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 10: family where you're able to go with friends with so

1591
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 10: much of our mission on this is a is a business,

1592
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:32,080
Speaker 10: trip AND i know people say, that AND i don't

1593
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:34,000
Speaker 10: want to sound, cliche but it's a business. Trip and

1594
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 10: so for, us a lot of that has been trying

1595
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 10: to eliminate distractions before we get. Here and then just

1596
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 10: even like my family is gonna come down and they

1597
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 10: understand the reality of how this world is to where,

1598
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:48,639
Speaker 10: Uh tuesday, NIGHT i will no longer be An illinois

1599
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 10: college basketball, player and we'll have plenty of time together after,

1600
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 10: that and So i'll get some. TIME i want to

1601
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:57,560
Speaker 10: embrace these moments with the people THAT i, love you,

1602
01:23:57,640 --> 01:23:59,640
Speaker 10: know but so much of this is about taking care

1603
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 10: of busines and just continuing to stay at our.

1604
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:05,640
Speaker 1: Process, well you've already got If i'm not, mistaken and

1605
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:07,720
Speaker 1: correct me If i'm. Wrong you've got a degree already in.

1606
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 1: Math you're getting another one and graduate work in business

1607
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:13,799
Speaker 1: analytics From illinois IF i assume both of those are. Factual,

1608
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:15,600
Speaker 1: CORRECT i have.

1609
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:18,759
Speaker 3: My undergraduates from mathematics From Huntington.

1610
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 10: UNIVERSITY i have a master's In, Recreation sports And science From,

1611
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 10: illinois and Then i'm getting a master's in business.

1612
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 1: Analytics, yeah so, LISTEN i hope you're, able and you

1613
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:30,080
Speaker 1: know you want to continue playing. BASKETBALL i realized for

1614
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 1: probably as long as you. Can but it sounds like

1615
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:34,519
Speaker 1: everything's going to be just fine for you once the

1616
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:37,880
Speaker 1: playing career comes to an, end and Notably bennett's because

1617
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 1: it is very apparent we have not met this first

1618
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 1: time that we've, talked but it's pretty apparent that you've

1619
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 1: got life in the right perspective and as, well the

1620
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 1: priorities and the right, order and we certainly hope that

1621
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 1: along with those those are accentuated with the opportunity to

1622
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:55,719
Speaker 1: share a national championship with your teammates and your brothers

1623
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 1: coming up here In. Indianapolis but either, way obviously a

1624
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:00,240
Speaker 1: tremendous success AND i certainly appreciate it time.

1625
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 10: Today, yeah absolutely Praise god for the blessings that this

1626
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 10: journey has, been for the Way he's directed, me AND

1627
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 10: i mean even just blessed me with the eligibility to

1628
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 10: continue my education and be able to do it with so,

1629
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 10: many so many special. People SO i give him all

1630
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 10: the praise and, glory AND i hope that from this

1631
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 10: THAT i get to be a light to the conversation

1632
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:20,599
Speaker 10: of college.

1633
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:21,759
Speaker 3: Basketball appreciate.

1634
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 1: It, Ben good health and good luck to you all, right,

1635
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 1: awesome thank you for having me appreciate. It from The

1636
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:29,799
Speaker 1: Illinois fighting a line that Is Ben Humrick house From, Tipton.

1637
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 1: Indiana really really good perspective, there and you, know just

1638
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 1: a maturity alone at that, age obviously in his graduate,

1639
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:39,600
Speaker 1: work but to get two different graduate degrees and be

1640
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:43,200
Speaker 1: married and still do all of that while playing college,

1641
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:46,800
Speaker 1: basketball really impressive. Stuff Bob cravis was At Indiana Pro

1642
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:48,719
Speaker 1: day yesterday and going to join us in about twenty

1643
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:51,760
Speaker 1: five and recap. That AND i know he was on

1644
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 1: with The Morning show earlier this. Morning but a couple

1645
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:56,360
Speaker 1: of other THINGS i wanted to talk With Jason gardner

1646
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:58,560
Speaker 1: about from The university Of, arizona and we'll do that

1647
01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:03,599
Speaker 1: in forty. Five by the, WAY i don't know if

1648
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:12,760
Speaker 1: you happen to have the breaking news, Sounder, eddie and

1649
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 1: if this is something that was out there like three

1650
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:17,040
Speaker 1: days ago AND i missed.

1651
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 6: It my.

1652
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 1: Apology you know that happens now when you see something

1653
01:26:20,280 --> 01:26:24,320
Speaker 1: now you have to first you look at it and you, go,

1654
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 1: okay is this? Real like is this a legit? Site you?

1655
01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 1: Know is this and yesterday Being April, fools and then you're, like,

1656
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 1: well maybe this is something that got buried in a

1657
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 1: news cycle three days ago AND i missed. It BUT

1658
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:37,880
Speaker 1: i think this is relatively new since we've been on

1659
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 1: the air. Today Jalen, harrelson the promising player For Notre

1660
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:47,760
Speaker 1: dame who averaged sixteen points four boards per game this,

1661
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 1: season is in the transfer. Portal he is one THAT

1662
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 1: i think if you had, to and we'd have to

1663
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:00,720
Speaker 1: go back and look when he was being recruited out

1664
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:06,479
Speaker 1: of high, school what were his final. CHOICES I indiana

1665
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 1: was in the, mix, right but that was obviously Under Mike,

1666
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:13,639
Speaker 1: woodson AND i Think purdue as. WELL i had heard

1667
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 1: his name recently in association With, purdue AND i don't

1668
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:27,120
Speaker 1: but it wasn't that somebody was saying, like, Hey purdue's

1669
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:28,760
Speaker 1: going to get, him or he's interested In. PURDUE i

1670
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:31,320
Speaker 1: think it was more so a speculative like what If

1671
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 1: purdue was able to get him kind of.

1672
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:40,839
Speaker 2: Thing it Was No Tre, Dame Michigan, State, Indiana. Auburn

1673
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 2: those are the teams that at least he took visits.

1674
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 1: With here's what's, Interesting So Notre dame if he's leaving,

1675
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 1: there give me the other Two auburn.

1676
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:52,639
Speaker 2: Offer he went on an official visit With, Auburn, okay

1677
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 2: an official visit With, indiana in an official visit With Michigan.

1678
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 1: State so Only Michigan state has the same staff would

1679
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:03,639
Speaker 1: have been during that, time, RIGHT i Mean, Auburn kaina.

1680
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 2: Does but, YEAH i mean you have other offers From,

1681
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:12,559
Speaker 2: Kansas DUKE, Tvu Arizona, State, Gonzaga. Wisconsin i'd like.

1682
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 1: To know this In iiO, State Florida, state we do

1683
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:19,840
Speaker 1: this from time to, time But michigan probably. Rotates i'm

1684
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:22,439
Speaker 1: curious if You Eddie garrison with a number one point

1685
01:28:22,439 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 1: guard right now In, america you're the you're a five

1686
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:25,679
Speaker 1: star point.

1687
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:26,479
Speaker 2: Guard, yeah.

1688
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:31,600
Speaker 1: Excluding and your answer can't be let's say that everybody

1689
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:33,719
Speaker 1: is going to give you the same amount in nil. Money,

1690
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:36,640
Speaker 1: okay give me your top five schools right.

1691
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:39,639
Speaker 2: Now If i'm a guard And i'm trying to get

1692
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:41,040
Speaker 2: to the, league.

1693
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:43,360
Speaker 1: You're just the schools that you're looking, at and you're

1694
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 1: like That's you can have your own, reasons but your

1695
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:46,840
Speaker 1: top five would be what.

1696
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 2: If i'm a, Guard number one is going to be

1697
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:53,439
Speaker 2: at least for the time being until proven, Otherwise john Calla, Parry,

1698
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:56,160
Speaker 2: okay that dude turns out guards to get to THE

1699
01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 2: nba like nobody's.

1700
01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 9: Business.

1701
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:03,320
Speaker 2: OKAY i would also have to put in, There. Duke.

1702
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 2: OKAY i don't know What North carolina is, doing so

1703
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:08,880
Speaker 2: they're not on the.

1704
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 3: List.

1705
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:18,759
Speaker 2: Kansas, okay that's, Three so two. Others let's Go Yukon,

1706
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 2: okay Love Danny, hurley AND i would toss In Brad

1707
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 2: underwood At michigan you Mean? Illinois thank?

1708
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 1: You, yes, okay fair, enough so you've Got now let

1709
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:36,760
Speaker 1: me ask you this other. Question, yeah if you're a

1710
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 1: diehard fan of a, team would you rather in the

1711
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 1: final four the national semi? Final you're all excited for

1712
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:50,840
Speaker 1: the final? Four mm. Hmm if you were going to

1713
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:53,160
Speaker 1: lose in the national semi, final would you rather lose

1714
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:55,720
Speaker 1: by thirty five and just have it be one of

1715
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:58,080
Speaker 1: those games that right off the tip you're chasing it

1716
01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:00,960
Speaker 1: and you're, like oh my, gosh the team's hitting, everything

1717
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 1: you can't hit. Anything you're down twenty one at the,

1718
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 1: half you end up losing by thirty? Five year h?

1719
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:09,120
Speaker 1: Million would you rather that or hang? Around hang? Around hang?

1720
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:11,680
Speaker 1: Around last ninety seconds of the. Game other team hits

1721
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 1: a miracle. Shot beat you at the. Horn oh.

1722
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:20,879
Speaker 2: Man by the, Way i'd like to make an amendment

1723
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:21,680
Speaker 2: to my list of.

1724
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:26,720
Speaker 1: Five all, right hold, on stew on your. Amendment do

1725
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:30,799
Speaker 1: it on the other side In kravitz in fifteen, busy

1726
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:35,200
Speaker 1: busy day here on A. Thursday thank you to all

1727
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:36,760
Speaker 1: of you who have tuned. In my name Is Jake

1728
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:38,519
Speaker 1: Query Eddie. Garrison the other voice you hear on this,

1729
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:43,160
Speaker 1: program Padres. Is we call It querry And, company and

1730
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 1: we are bilingual here on ninety three five and one

1731
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:48,599
Speaker 1: oh seven five the. Fan if you are just joining

1732
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 1: us on the. Program we talked earlier about the fact

1733
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 1: That Shaq leonard is in The he's in The ring

1734
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 1: Of honor right for The. COLTS i don't. KNOW i

1735
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 1: don't have to look for some. REASON i was thinking

1736
01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 1: they Just i've forgotten that THAT i. DID i hallucinate on.

1737
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:05,559
Speaker 3: That but either.

1738
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 1: Way he had some interesting comments in a podcast done

1739
01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 1: With Eric ebron About Gus.

1740
01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:15,960
Speaker 2: Bradley now you're league will In, swahili, right that is.

1741
01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:24,000
Speaker 1: Correct, YES i want a foozie leaky wan um. KUBLA

1742
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:29,040
Speaker 1: i don't know what you, said but uh, No shack

1743
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 1: is not in the what AM i thinking of last

1744
01:31:34,360 --> 01:31:35,920
Speaker 1: year where they brought him back and honored him for?

1745
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:37,760
Speaker 1: Something did he do the did he bang the?

1746
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:39,599
Speaker 2: Anvil might have done? That, Yeah.

1747
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:44,479
Speaker 1: But he he had some comments About Gus bradley basically

1748
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:47,880
Speaker 1: where he said that it kind of took the spirit

1749
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:50,120
Speaker 1: out of him that HERE i was giving my everything

1750
01:31:50,160 --> 01:31:52,120
Speaker 1: to this franchise and you're saying That i'm a bad.

1751
01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:54,599
Speaker 1: TEAMMATE i don't actually recall that being said About Shaq,

1752
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:58,000
Speaker 1: leonard but and he said it JUST I i didn't

1753
01:31:58,040 --> 01:32:00,639
Speaker 1: want to do, it keep doing. It it had taken

1754
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:03,840
Speaker 1: its toll on me emotionally from an injury, standpoint AND

1755
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:06,639
Speaker 1: i did not Appreciate Gus bradley questioning me on That i'm.

1756
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:10,799
Speaker 1: Paraphrasing and then on the heels of, That Eric ebron

1757
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:14,280
Speaker 1: during the conversation, said, WELL i remember When Andrew luck

1758
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:18,400
Speaker 1: AND i both had bone spurs and our ankles and

1759
01:32:18,439 --> 01:32:20,200
Speaker 1: we were talking about whether we were both going to

1760
01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:22,720
Speaker 1: play through it or both going to have. Surgery and

1761
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:25,560
Speaker 1: he said When Andrew luck came to the conclusion that

1762
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:31,240
Speaker 1: he did not want to have, surgery that The, colts

1763
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 1: as a matter of, fact let's play The Eric ebron Audio.

1764
01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:37,120
Speaker 1: Eddie this is BECAUSE i don't want to misquote, it,

1765
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:41,320
Speaker 1: because Again Eric, EBRON i realized he had a complicated

1766
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:44,759
Speaker 1: tenure here In. INDIANAPOLIS a lot of time has. PASSED

1767
01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:48,439
Speaker 1: i realized The Andrew luck conversation is one that people

1768
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:50,800
Speaker 1: are for the most part. Over but there was a

1769
01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:54,040
Speaker 1: nugget of this THAT i found very. Interesting not SAYING

1770
01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 1: i believe, it BUT i found it very. Interesting Eric

1771
01:32:57,160 --> 01:33:01,000
Speaker 1: ebron when talking about his injuries here along With Andrew.

1772
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:03,600
Speaker 8: Locket Andrew luck AND i both got bone spurs in

1773
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:05,160
Speaker 8: our ankle going into twenty.

1774
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 2: Nineteen his is in the.

1775
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:07,280
Speaker 4: Back mine is in the.

1776
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:09,920
Speaker 8: Front we're in kahoods about what are we gonna? Do

1777
01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:12,439
Speaker 8: are we gonna play or are we, gonna you, know

1778
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 8: get the. Surgery if we get the, surgery we're gonna

1779
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:16,880
Speaker 8: miss the first three. Games we're trying to win The

1780
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:19,960
Speaker 8: Super bowl this, year D. La we have the best

1781
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:24,080
Speaker 8: team in football twenty. Nineteen they're begging. Me they're, like E,

1782
01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:26,920
Speaker 8: brin you can't get surgery on your ankle because we

1783
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:27,160
Speaker 8: have a.

1784
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:28,439
Speaker 1: Mission we have something we need to.

1785
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:32,040
Speaker 8: Do the staff got so mad At andrew because he

1786
01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:34,479
Speaker 8: was bringing them in and not listening to their. Protocol

1787
01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:38,840
Speaker 8: andrew then decides that he's so tired of injury and

1788
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:41,400
Speaker 8: he just doesn't want to do. Surgery you know who

1789
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:44,639
Speaker 8: the man is around there that gets on everybody's, nerves

1790
01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:48,559
Speaker 8: big drums over there behind that. Disk he Tells, andrew

1791
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:52,240
Speaker 8: you're either playing this year or we're moving. On who

1792
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:54,920
Speaker 8: the fuck would Tell Andrew luck that that's.

1793
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:56,120
Speaker 3: GREAT i that that's.

1794
01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 8: Crazy Andrew luck now, Says i'm not gonna be. Ready

1795
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 8: i'm tired of with PAYN i. Retire we all find

1796
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:04,880
Speaker 8: that out what week, three and we play in The

1797
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:10,160
Speaker 8: Chicago bears mid, game bro mid, game we find out

1798
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:12,800
Speaker 8: we're not going to have our starting quarterback for that.

1799
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:19,720
Speaker 1: Year so the fact that AND i would assume when

1800
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:23,800
Speaker 1: he says the guy the big drawers behind the, DESK

1801
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:29,880
Speaker 1: i assume he's talking About Chris, ballard not because the

1802
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:33,719
Speaker 1: character of it, all but through process of, elimination BECAUSE

1803
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:35,760
Speaker 1: i don't think he'd be talking About Jim, mersey who

1804
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:40,720
Speaker 1: gave andreluckt twenty five million dollars upon his. RETIREMENT i

1805
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:45,320
Speaker 1: found the conversation in those points. Interesting we had that

1806
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:50,000
Speaker 1: happen earlier. Today we just mentioned the fact That Jalen

1807
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:53,000
Speaker 1: harrelson is in the transfer portal For Notre, dame which

1808
01:34:53,120 --> 01:34:56,960
Speaker 1: Led eddie to, then upon my asking, list what five

1809
01:34:57,040 --> 01:35:02,679
Speaker 1: Schools eddie would pick If eddie was a point. Guard you, Said, Arkansas, Duke, Kansas, Connecticut.

1810
01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:04,880
Speaker 1: Illinois then you, said you have an amendment to make

1811
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:06,880
Speaker 1: you have an amendment to your?

1812
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:10,320
Speaker 2: List, yes go, AHEAD i would like to Remove illinois

1813
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:10,960
Speaker 2: from the. Equation.

1814
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:13,640
Speaker 1: Okay AND i would like for what reason would you

1815
01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:14,840
Speaker 1: like to Remove? Illinois MAY i?

1816
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:17,840
Speaker 2: Ask and BECAUSE i feel, like as of, lately this

1817
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:21,800
Speaker 2: guy has been able to develop and coach, players AND

1818
01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:25,320
Speaker 2: i have a chance to win at this said, program IF.

1819
01:35:25,240 --> 01:35:27,519
Speaker 1: I, May IF i, may let me do this in

1820
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:29,760
Speaker 1: a trivia form Where i'm going to pick what it

1821
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:32,599
Speaker 1: is the school that you're? Thinking. OKAY i would first

1822
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:35,120
Speaker 1: like to know if this school has won a national

1823
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:38,519
Speaker 1: championship with this? Coach? No has this school been to

1824
01:35:38,600 --> 01:35:41,479
Speaker 1: A final four with this? Coach? Yes has this coach

1825
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:43,240
Speaker 1: taken a different school to A final?

1826
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:43,479
Speaker 6: Four?

1827
01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:44,439
Speaker 3: No?

1828
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:49,120
Speaker 1: Okay and they did not win a national? Championship you, said,

1829
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:57,200
Speaker 1: CORRECT i will go With i'll go With Tommy lloyd To. Arizona,

1830
01:35:58,280 --> 01:36:02,280
Speaker 1: no and he did not win a.

1831
01:36:02,360 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 2: Title you, said, correct he has not won the. Title, yes,

1832
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:05,640
Speaker 2: Correct but.

1833
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:08,040
Speaker 1: IF i came to watch your team play In, january

1834
01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:10,320
Speaker 1: would it be smart of me to bring my winter? Code,

1835
01:36:11,160 --> 01:36:14,680
Speaker 1: NO i will go With.

1836
01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:18,240
Speaker 12: Florida, no they've won a. Championship oh they, have that's,

1837
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:22,800
Speaker 12: right elect. You, okay so hit me The cougars Of.

1838
01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:27,040
Speaker 12: Houston really you think he's going to be there for

1839
01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:29,920
Speaker 12: your four. Years i'm not worried about the four, Years.

1840
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:32,360
Speaker 12: Jake i'm just worried about a year or. Two that's, It,

1841
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:35,120
Speaker 12: okay trying to get me to the league If i'm

1842
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:35,880
Speaker 12: the top right of point.

1843
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:38,840
Speaker 1: Guard did you text him to see whether or not

1844
01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:39,880
Speaker 1: he'd let you come down?

1845
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:40,000
Speaker 3: There?

1846
01:36:40,120 --> 01:36:44,840
Speaker 1: NO i did. NOT i WOULD ucla would be very

1847
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:47,080
Speaker 1: high on my. List except for, THAT i wouldn't want

1848
01:36:47,080 --> 01:36:52,000
Speaker 1: to go. PLAY i just wouldn't For Mick. Cronan and

1849
01:36:52,439 --> 01:36:56,040
Speaker 1: it's interesting Because Mick cronan is one THAT i really

1850
01:36:56,200 --> 01:37:00,240
Speaker 1: did think was going to be you, know he was

1851
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:03,799
Speaker 1: kind of loosely in the discussion with The indiana, opening

1852
01:37:04,479 --> 01:37:08,240
Speaker 1: AND i really thought AND i really Like Mick cronin

1853
01:37:08,360 --> 01:37:10,479
Speaker 1: in terms of his ability to coach the game of.

1854
01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:12,519
Speaker 1: BASKETBALL i, mean there's no doubt that he gets the

1855
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:15,600
Speaker 1: most out of his. TEAMS i think they they do

1856
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:20,240
Speaker 1: play well, Defensively but just in the last year he

1857
01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:22,240
Speaker 1: has become AND i, MEAN i get. It you, know

1858
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:27,400
Speaker 1: oftentimes coaches present a persona or an approach that is

1859
01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:33,960
Speaker 1: totally different publicly than what players. See but, MAN i

1860
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:35,760
Speaker 1: DON'T i just something about.

1861
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:39,559
Speaker 2: Him you remember that two to three week, Stretch jake

1862
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:42,920
Speaker 2: where he was having those moments where he would just

1863
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:46,519
Speaker 2: like sound off on the media, Totally and during one of,

1864
01:37:46,600 --> 01:37:49,600
Speaker 2: THEM i, said are we, sure, like like he understands

1865
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:52,200
Speaker 2: and knows what his buyout, is but are we sure

1866
01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:54,360
Speaker 2: That Mick cronin is just not like frustrated WITH?

1867
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:58,360
Speaker 1: Ucla it seemed that way right. Then and then they

1868
01:37:58,439 --> 01:37:58,800
Speaker 1: lose their.

1869
01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:03,320
Speaker 2: Game they lose their game To Michigan, state Not Michigan,

1870
01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:07,639
Speaker 2: state To yukon in the round of thirty. TWO i, think,

1871
01:38:07,800 --> 01:38:10,400
Speaker 2: yeah the round of thirty. Two and after the game

1872
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:12,640
Speaker 2: he makes mentioning, goes, YEAH i just like five more

1873
01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:15,080
Speaker 2: million dollars SO i can put a roster together to,

1874
01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:17,160
Speaker 2: compete which kind of makes sense if like you're this

1875
01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:20,639
Speaker 2: frustrated during the course of a season with your roster

1876
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:22,760
Speaker 2: and not having the players that you feel like you

1877
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:26,120
Speaker 2: can put together a roster to. Succeed why, not and

1878
01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:29,200
Speaker 2: you know you have a huge, buyout why not try

1879
01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:32,160
Speaker 2: to force their, hand like either give me the money

1880
01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:35,040
Speaker 2: and find a new, coach or give me the money

1881
01:38:35,439 --> 01:38:36,479
Speaker 2: SO i can give you a winning.

1882
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:39,120
Speaker 1: PRODUCT i, mean that's What and when we talked To

1883
01:38:39,439 --> 01:38:43,240
Speaker 1: Steve alford earlier and that conversation will be up at

1884
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:45,120
Speaker 1: one oh seven five to the fan dot, COM i

1885
01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:47,840
Speaker 1: Thought alford it was really interesting when he was talking

1886
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:52,200
Speaker 1: about how player free. Agency you now have players that

1887
01:38:52,240 --> 01:38:53,960
Speaker 1: are going to be chasing the big nil, money but

1888
01:38:54,040 --> 01:38:56,719
Speaker 1: then coaches that are chasing the places where they can actually.

1889
01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:59,880
Speaker 1: Spend and so now you're gonna have even more movement among,

1890
01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:02,960
Speaker 1: coaches and you know the Will wades of the world

1891
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:04,560
Speaker 1: that go one place and then, boom turn around and

1892
01:39:04,600 --> 01:39:04,920
Speaker 1: go back to the.

1893
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:05,080
Speaker 3: Other.

1894
01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:07,519
Speaker 1: Course if you you, know you laid down with a,

1895
01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:09,320
Speaker 1: dog you're gonna get up with. FLEAS i, mean we know.

1896
01:39:09,439 --> 01:39:13,040
Speaker 1: That but you're going to get coaches movement as, well

1897
01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:17,080
Speaker 1: probably because you're also going to get donor. Fatigue you

1898
01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:20,600
Speaker 1: are a coach at, state you and you're going to

1899
01:39:20,720 --> 01:39:23,120
Speaker 1: the big time donors to get the money necessary to

1900
01:39:23,160 --> 01:39:25,240
Speaker 1: be able to turn around and build a roster for.

1901
01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:29,559
Speaker 1: Yourself and you go to those donors so many, time

1902
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:31,439
Speaker 1: and that donor is, like, look, MAN i you KNOW

1903
01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:34,920
Speaker 1: i can't give you WHAT i don't. Have you, know

1904
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:38,360
Speaker 1: you've asked three times now And i've tried to help,

1905
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:41,360
Speaker 1: out But i'm tapped. Out and a coach knows. That

1906
01:39:41,560 --> 01:39:43,760
Speaker 1: and the, donor unless you have like a big time

1907
01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:48,320
Speaker 1: donor on stat you, know in your, rolodex then it's, like,

1908
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:50,080
Speaker 1: well you know what We've i've gotten EVERYTHING i can

1909
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:51,400
Speaker 1: out of this turn up and then onto the.

1910
01:39:51,479 --> 01:39:51,679
Speaker 6: Next.

1911
01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:56,880
Speaker 1: Right yesterday was pro day For Fernanda mendoza and The

1912
01:39:56,960 --> 01:40:00,599
Speaker 1: Indiana football. Program Bob kravitz was. There Bob kravitz where

1913
01:40:00,640 --> 01:40:04,280
Speaker 1: you can read his work and also what we mentioned

1914
01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:07,760
Speaker 1: off the. Top, Today Kirk cousins signs a five, year

1915
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:10,639
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy million dollar deal with The. Raiders

1916
01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:12,960
Speaker 1: only one year of that is. Guaranteed Bob kravitz is

1917
01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:13,559
Speaker 1: laughing about.

1918
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:13,640
Speaker 3: It.

1919
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:18,639
Speaker 1: Bob to, me the interesting thing is this that seems

1920
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:23,240
Speaker 1: as though The raiders have the wherewithal to, say even

1921
01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:25,840
Speaker 1: if we're drafting a guy number one, overall we want

1922
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:28,600
Speaker 1: to give it time and not throw him right in

1923
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:30,920
Speaker 1: the deep. End And mendoza looks as ready as anybody

1924
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:34,560
Speaker 1: to step. In but did you see anything yesterday that

1925
01:40:34,600 --> 01:40:36,639
Speaker 1: would lead you to believe That mendoza is not going

1926
01:40:36,680 --> 01:40:37,000
Speaker 1: to be their?

1927
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:40,800
Speaker 4: Selection, oh absolutely. Nothing it's a it's a done.

1928
01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:41,360
Speaker 6: Deal AND.

1929
01:40:42,920 --> 01:40:45,840
Speaker 4: I had a chance to talk With Lewis ridick for

1930
01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:49,200
Speaker 4: a couple of minutes yesterday down, there and you, know

1931
01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:53,800
Speaker 4: there's no question that he's the. GUY i found it

1932
01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:57,559
Speaker 4: interesting that they made the move for Kirk cousins one

1933
01:40:57,680 --> 01:41:02,040
Speaker 4: day After mendoza's pro so that we would spend the

1934
01:41:02,200 --> 01:41:05,360
Speaker 4: afternoon asking him what do you think of the addition

1935
01:41:05,479 --> 01:41:11,880
Speaker 4: of Kirk. Cousins so that's that's very uh fortuitous, TIMING

1936
01:41:11,960 --> 01:41:12,679
Speaker 4: i would, say.

1937
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:16,920
Speaker 1: Yeah and this is WHAT i talked about, Earlier. Bob

1938
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:23,000
Speaker 1: here's a guy In mendoza that from the. Time and

1939
01:41:23,120 --> 01:41:27,120
Speaker 1: maybe we are just now understanding and grasping this because you,

1940
01:41:27,200 --> 01:41:28,800
Speaker 1: know it's only been in the last year that we

1941
01:41:28,920 --> 01:41:31,680
Speaker 1: have really Studied mendoza and gotten to know him right

1942
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:35,320
Speaker 1: because of The indian aspect of. It but he seemingly

1943
01:41:35,479 --> 01:41:39,600
Speaker 1: checks every single, box both physically and in terms of

1944
01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:45,720
Speaker 1: his experience and his, maturity his football maturity and his intellectual.

1945
01:41:45,800 --> 01:41:49,639
Speaker 1: Maturity and yet even with all of, that The, raiders

1946
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:53,680
Speaker 1: who are not necessarily the blueprint of stable, Franchise but The,

1947
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:57,479
Speaker 1: raiders even with, that are, saying as ready as he may,

1948
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:00,240
Speaker 1: be we're not going to tear off the bubble wrap just.

1949
01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:05,040
Speaker 1: Yet yet The Indianapolis colts did exactly that with a

1950
01:42:05,120 --> 01:42:07,920
Speaker 1: guy who has fewer starts in college or did In

1951
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:11,160
Speaker 1: Anthony richardson Than Bernanda mendoza had in one year In.

1952
01:42:11,240 --> 01:42:15,000
Speaker 1: Indiana does this even further illuminate the mistake and the

1953
01:42:15,040 --> 01:42:16,000
Speaker 1: mishandling The colts.

1954
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:17,080
Speaker 3: Did? Oh.

1955
01:42:17,240 --> 01:42:20,200
Speaker 4: Absolutely first of, ALL i think The raiders are a little.

1956
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:24,759
Speaker 4: Crazy you, know if this kid is not, ready then nobody.

1957
01:42:24,920 --> 01:42:28,760
Speaker 4: IS i, mean he just he just has it. Upstairs,

1958
01:42:29,160 --> 01:42:33,800
Speaker 4: physically he's put on ten pounds of muscle since the

1959
01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:40,280
Speaker 4: end of the. Season, no IT'S i think we already

1960
01:42:40,360 --> 01:42:45,439
Speaker 4: knew just how badly The colts screwed that. Up you,

1961
01:42:45,479 --> 01:42:49,400
Speaker 4: know maybe The raiders are being overly careful, here but

1962
01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:51,880
Speaker 4: it seems to me that we're looking at A Peyton

1963
01:42:51,960 --> 01:42:55,000
Speaker 4: manning type situation where you just throw him in there

1964
01:42:55,040 --> 01:42:58,320
Speaker 4: the first, year let him take his, knocks you, know

1965
01:42:58,640 --> 01:43:02,599
Speaker 4: and learn from from the tough times the Way peyton

1966
01:43:02,640 --> 01:43:03,559
Speaker 4: did back in ninety.

1967
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:07,040
Speaker 1: Eight Bob kravitz is my Guest Bob kravitz dot, com

1968
01:43:07,120 --> 01:43:10,240
Speaker 1: where you can read musings of an old sports, writer

1969
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:14,360
Speaker 1: his column and his, observations including Yesterday Indiana's Pro. Day,

1970
01:43:14,439 --> 01:43:17,840
Speaker 1: BOB i Think indiana is one of you, know this

1971
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:19,920
Speaker 1: is the thing now for programs to do the Pro,

1972
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:22,519
Speaker 1: day and it really at LEAST i think the most

1973
01:43:22,600 --> 01:43:25,280
Speaker 1: famous of these would Be alabama Under Nick saban because

1974
01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:27,439
Speaker 1: you had players all over the. Place this was a

1975
01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:31,000
Speaker 1: chance For, indiana not just For, mendoza but for the

1976
01:43:31,120 --> 01:43:34,400
Speaker 1: rest of the players to really show in front of

1977
01:43:34,479 --> 01:43:37,040
Speaker 1: those scouts what it is that they can. Do who

1978
01:43:37,240 --> 01:43:40,000
Speaker 1: else who took advantage of this the most that you

1979
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:42,920
Speaker 1: looked at and, said that guy just put himself on the.

1980
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:49,400
Speaker 4: Map D'Angelo. Pons D'Angelo. Pons D'Angelo pons ran an unofficial

1981
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:50,880
Speaker 4: four point thirty, one.

1982
01:43:52,360 --> 01:43:52,760
Speaker 3: Which is.

1983
01:43:53,120 --> 01:43:58,280
Speaker 4: BLAZING i think that makes him the fifth fastest, corner

1984
01:43:59,160 --> 01:44:02,639
Speaker 4: so he he really helped. HIMSELF i, Thought Kaylon, black

1985
01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:06,320
Speaker 4: he RAN i think a four or, Five no way

1986
01:44:06,680 --> 01:44:10,519
Speaker 4: four four. Five he helped. Himself AND i thought just

1987
01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:15,559
Speaker 4: the eye, TEST i thought That Omar cooper really looked.

1988
01:44:15,640 --> 01:44:20,400
Speaker 4: ELECTRIC i, mean, yeah, granted their passes against the, air you,

1989
01:44:20,479 --> 01:44:23,360
Speaker 4: know and it's just you, know it's pitch and, catch

1990
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:28,040
Speaker 4: but he looked. Dynamic and that was another guy That

1991
01:44:28,240 --> 01:44:32,600
Speaker 4: lewis mentioned was how Good cooper, looked you. Know AND

1992
01:44:33,560 --> 01:44:35,920
Speaker 4: i think he helped himself. IMMENSELY i MEAN i THINK

1993
01:44:36,439 --> 01:44:38,240
Speaker 4: i think he's a late first round pick for.

1994
01:44:38,320 --> 01:44:38,559
Speaker 3: Sure.

1995
01:44:38,960 --> 01:44:41,679
Speaker 1: YEAH i was gonna, say they what about sarat because

1996
01:44:42,439 --> 01:44:44,960
Speaker 1: you know he has been he was so reliable For

1997
01:44:45,120 --> 01:44:47,800
Speaker 1: mendoza as a receiver over the course of the year.

1998
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:52,120
Speaker 1: Itself and he doesn't strike me as a breakoff the

1999
01:44:52,200 --> 01:44:55,680
Speaker 1: line speed, guy but, no a precise route runner in

2000
01:44:55,840 --> 01:45:00,240
Speaker 1: really good. Hands but where do you hear that he may?

2001
01:45:00,280 --> 01:45:03,679
Speaker 1: Slot and how was HE i hear he's.

2002
01:45:03,880 --> 01:45:06,920
Speaker 4: UH i MEAN i hear unlike everybody, ELSE i read

2003
01:45:07,400 --> 01:45:11,040
Speaker 4: all the draft, nonsense it's out. THERE i think he's

2004
01:45:11,080 --> 01:45:15,800
Speaker 4: A day two, guy, uh for. Sure to, ME i

2005
01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:19,120
Speaker 4: look at, HIM i SEE i See Michael. PITTMAN i

2006
01:45:19,240 --> 01:45:22,080
Speaker 4: see a guy doesn't have a blazing. Speed he's not

2007
01:45:22,200 --> 01:45:25,160
Speaker 4: going to take the top off of, defense but he's

2008
01:45:25,240 --> 01:45:28,839
Speaker 4: gonna make contested. Catches he's going to make tough, catches

2009
01:45:29,439 --> 01:45:35,599
Speaker 4: and SO i thought he looked. Good he had one

2010
01:45:35,640 --> 01:45:39,320
Speaker 4: of the three passes that was incomplete yesterday during the

2011
01:45:39,400 --> 01:45:43,840
Speaker 4: fifty six throw deal that he did was a bomb

2012
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:47,600
Speaker 4: To serrat that he couldn't quite run. Under BUT i

2013
01:45:47,720 --> 01:45:50,000
Speaker 4: thought he looked just, fine AND i think he's A

2014
01:45:50,080 --> 01:45:50,439
Speaker 4: day two.

2015
01:45:50,520 --> 01:45:55,560
Speaker 1: Pick Did mendoza show you, Anything, bob beyond what it

2016
01:45:55,800 --> 01:45:57,200
Speaker 1: was that you knew going in about?

2017
01:45:57,280 --> 01:46:01,240
Speaker 4: Him he did a goal for first of, all he's

2018
01:46:01,280 --> 01:46:03,200
Speaker 4: put on those ten pounds and it all looks like

2019
01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:03,640
Speaker 4: it's in his.

2020
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:05,000
Speaker 3: LEGS i, mean.

2021
01:46:04,960 --> 01:46:08,920
Speaker 4: He's he's really muscled. Up you, know a lot of

2022
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:11,960
Speaker 4: guys after the you win a national title in A,

2023
01:46:12,040 --> 01:46:14,960
Speaker 4: heisman you go on the rubber chicken, circuit and you,

2024
01:46:15,040 --> 01:46:18,479
Speaker 4: know you kind of lose your. Edge this kid has kept.

2025
01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:25,120
Speaker 4: Grinding the other thing that he, did And riddick pointed this,

2026
01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:30,519
Speaker 4: out was that before every pass during that twenty minute,

2027
01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:33,240
Speaker 4: session he held out the name of the wild of

2028
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:38,400
Speaker 4: the receiver and the route he was. Running and from

2029
01:46:38,439 --> 01:46:42,479
Speaker 4: What i'm, Told John spytech of The raiders was really

2030
01:46:42,600 --> 01:46:47,000
Speaker 4: impressed by that because he's never seen anybody do anything

2031
01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:49,640
Speaker 4: like that. Before and the reason that he did it

2032
01:46:49,720 --> 01:46:53,400
Speaker 4: he wanted there to be more attention on his, teammates

2033
01:46:53,439 --> 01:46:57,120
Speaker 4: and that's ninety percent of the reason why he had

2034
01:46:57,200 --> 01:47:01,360
Speaker 4: the kind of pro day that he. Did he wanted

2035
01:47:01,479 --> 01:47:04,240
Speaker 4: to highlight his his, teammates and they're going to have

2036
01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:08,880
Speaker 4: what nine draft eligible, guys so, uh it's going to

2037
01:47:08,920 --> 01:47:10,519
Speaker 4: be a HEAVY eyeu emphasis this.

2038
01:47:10,680 --> 01:47:14,559
Speaker 1: Draft The Bob, kravitz my, guest was AT iu pro. Day,

2039
01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:20,840
Speaker 1: BOB i was listening To mendoza after his, workout and

2040
01:47:20,960 --> 01:47:23,640
Speaker 1: in doing, so you, know he's, talking And i'm thinking to,

2041
01:47:23,720 --> 01:47:28,760
Speaker 1: myself he literally is saying every answer, exactly like when

2042
01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:30,640
Speaker 1: you see these social media, things it's, like here's what

2043
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:34,360
Speaker 1: you should say in a job. Interview i'm literally going

2044
01:47:34,640 --> 01:47:37,800
Speaker 1: he is saying everything exactly what The raider. Like The

2045
01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:40,920
Speaker 1: raiders couldn't script the answer any. Better and some of

2046
01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:44,920
Speaker 1: it sounds Like signetti. Speak and THEN i realize that

2047
01:47:45,120 --> 01:47:48,840
Speaker 1: this may simply also just be The signetti influence of

2048
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:51,400
Speaker 1: all of these. GUYS i don't know what it, is

2049
01:47:51,640 --> 01:47:56,880
Speaker 1: all of these guys completely buying In and did you

2050
01:47:57,040 --> 01:47:58,320
Speaker 1: notice that did that jump out of?

2051
01:47:58,360 --> 01:48:01,720
Speaker 4: You, well he's he was like AN ai. Quarterback you,

2052
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:05,040
Speaker 4: know you put in some information and he spits out

2053
01:48:05,120 --> 01:48:10,000
Speaker 4: the perfect. Answer AND i know it seems it doesn't

2054
01:48:10,040 --> 01:48:13,280
Speaker 4: seem real, sometimes but that's just the way this kid is.

2055
01:48:13,320 --> 01:48:16,240
Speaker 4: Built and he was he was built this way even before.

2056
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:16,360
Speaker 6: He got the.

2057
01:48:16,439 --> 01:48:20,160
Speaker 4: SIGNETTI i, MEAN i think that kind of reconfirmed some

2058
01:48:20,360 --> 01:48:23,760
Speaker 4: things and strengthened his belief in himself and his. Game

2059
01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:29,479
Speaker 4: BUT i think this kid just had it from the very.

2060
01:48:29,680 --> 01:48:33,439
Speaker 4: Beginning AND i was talking with. Somebody you know who

2061
01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:35,840
Speaker 4: the Last raiders number one overall pick a.

2062
01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:41,960
Speaker 1: Quarterback, was, Boy, well you know what two thousand and, Seven,

2063
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:43,040
Speaker 1: Oh JaMarcus.

2064
01:48:43,120 --> 01:48:48,000
Speaker 4: Russell, Right JaMarcus. Russell this guy is the Anti JaMarcus.

2065
01:48:48,120 --> 01:48:52,800
Speaker 4: Russell the Famous russell's story is that an assistant coach

2066
01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:55,040
Speaker 4: gave him a tape and, SAID i want you to

2067
01:48:55,120 --> 01:48:57,479
Speaker 4: look at the plays on this and kick out a

2068
01:48:57,560 --> 01:49:00,920
Speaker 4: couple of plays that you feel comfortable. With, well the

2069
01:49:01,000 --> 01:49:04,320
Speaker 4: coach went back to The russell a couple of days

2070
01:49:04,400 --> 01:49:05,680
Speaker 4: later and, said what do you see that you?

2071
01:49:05,960 --> 01:49:06,080
Speaker 3: Liked?

2072
01:49:06,760 --> 01:49:09,160
Speaker 4: COACH i liked. Everything it all looks good to. Me,

2073
01:49:10,160 --> 01:49:15,920
Speaker 4: well turned out that tape was completely, blank completely, Blank

2074
01:49:16,160 --> 01:49:18,880
Speaker 4: there was nothing on. It he never even looked at.

2075
01:49:18,920 --> 01:49:22,360
Speaker 4: It that's all you need to know About JaMarcus, Russell, RIGHT.

2076
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:24,599
Speaker 1: I mean all the physical tools in the. World right

2077
01:49:24,760 --> 01:49:28,560
Speaker 1: but and and like a monster season And. MENDOZA i

2078
01:49:28,600 --> 01:49:30,200
Speaker 1: think you could look at it and, say, Well mendoza

2079
01:49:30,320 --> 01:49:33,120
Speaker 1: is coming up a monster, season that's what. Done BUT

2080
01:49:33,280 --> 01:49:36,479
Speaker 1: i mean he was really successful At, california and so

2081
01:49:36,920 --> 01:49:39,519
Speaker 1: this is not a one year class right Line jiro.

2082
01:49:39,880 --> 01:49:40,520
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

2083
01:49:40,640 --> 01:49:43,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, NO i mean he was good at cal but

2084
01:49:44,200 --> 01:49:48,160
Speaker 4: he had no offensive, line he had no, uh nobody

2085
01:49:48,200 --> 01:49:50,960
Speaker 4: on the outside to help. Him you. Know, well once

2086
01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:53,680
Speaker 4: he got To. Ieu and here's the other, thing is

2087
01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:57,360
Speaker 4: he improved so much from the time they got together

2088
01:49:57,479 --> 01:50:01,600
Speaker 4: In paul camp and or a spring camp, actually and

2089
01:50:02,360 --> 01:50:05,880
Speaker 4: the improvement that you saw over the course of the,

2090
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:09,360
Speaker 4: season it just makes me feel like he hasn't he

2091
01:50:09,479 --> 01:50:13,320
Speaker 4: hasn't topped. OUT i think he still has another level to.

2092
01:50:13,439 --> 01:50:16,400
Speaker 4: Go AND i THINK i think The raiders would be

2093
01:50:16,520 --> 01:50:20,479
Speaker 4: smart to throw him out there right away if he

2094
01:50:20,680 --> 01:50:23,840
Speaker 4: if he has, issues And i'm sure he. WILL i

2095
01:50:23,960 --> 01:50:27,960
Speaker 4: think he's the kind of kid who can handle the negative.

2096
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:30,920
Speaker 4: STUFF i think he can fight. Through he'll grind AND

2097
01:50:31,400 --> 01:50:34,080
Speaker 4: i think he'll be a terrific quarterback to. Me to,

2098
01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:37,040
Speaker 4: me He's Jared goff with, wheels AND i don't say

2099
01:50:37,080 --> 01:50:41,400
Speaker 4: that as a nasty. THING i say that in a complimentary.

2100
01:50:41,439 --> 01:50:43,439
Speaker 4: WAY i think he's a guy you can win A

2101
01:50:43,520 --> 01:50:44,000
Speaker 4: Super bowl.

2102
01:50:44,080 --> 01:50:44,120
Speaker 3: With.

2103
01:50:45,080 --> 01:50:52,880
Speaker 1: Bob, lastly do you are you curious as to How signetti's?

2104
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:55,200
Speaker 1: Program And i'm not saying that it's going to drop,

2105
01:50:55,280 --> 01:50:59,960
Speaker 1: off BUT i think THE jmu transfers were so crazy

2106
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:04,040
Speaker 1: because you had fifteen seventeen guys that could say to

2107
01:51:04,120 --> 01:51:07,680
Speaker 1: the locker room, fellas, listen trust me here. Right this

2108
01:51:07,800 --> 01:51:10,120
Speaker 1: guy knows he's a little. Goofy he looks a Little barney,

2109
01:51:10,120 --> 01:51:11,280
Speaker 1: fifish but he knows what he's.

2110
01:51:11,320 --> 01:51:11,519
Speaker 6: Doing.

2111
01:51:12,120 --> 01:51:15,280
Speaker 1: Now obviously the ring and the sixteen to zero can

2112
01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:19,439
Speaker 1: speak that as, well but the culture itself and and

2113
01:51:19,560 --> 01:51:22,519
Speaker 1: the total buy in across the locker. Room are you

2114
01:51:22,680 --> 01:51:24,880
Speaker 1: curious how that? Sustains?

2115
01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:27,320
Speaker 3: NO i not.

2116
01:51:27,479 --> 01:51:29,920
Speaker 4: REALLY i think it's going to. BE i think it's

2117
01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:33,040
Speaker 4: going to be just the way it was last. YEAR i,

2118
01:51:33,120 --> 01:51:35,240
Speaker 4: mean you, know you've got a lot of guys Like

2119
01:51:35,320 --> 01:51:38,920
Speaker 4: Carter smith and people like that who've been been WITH

2120
01:51:39,520 --> 01:51:42,040
Speaker 4: sig for one or two years and they know what's.

2121
01:51:42,120 --> 01:51:45,599
Speaker 4: Expected you, KNOW i thought the whole the whole thing

2122
01:51:45,720 --> 01:51:51,920
Speaker 4: With marsh the wide receiver From Michigan state wore those

2123
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:57,200
Speaker 4: gold shoes out, there And signetti jumps his backside for,

2124
01:51:57,360 --> 01:52:01,920
Speaker 4: wearing you, know gold. Shoes so NOW i think these

2125
01:52:01,960 --> 01:52:06,240
Speaker 4: guys understand the, culture and you, know so much of

2126
01:52:06,280 --> 01:52:09,080
Speaker 4: it is going to be what This Josh hoover can.

2127
01:52:09,160 --> 01:52:14,439
Speaker 4: DO i Saw signetti news today or yesterday was Giving

2128
01:52:14,600 --> 01:52:18,000
Speaker 4: Sonny dike's a hard time the coach A tcu Because

2129
01:52:18,120 --> 01:52:23,600
Speaker 4: dykes took some shots At, hoover who's a little turnover.

2130
01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:26,720
Speaker 4: Prone and what he said was he just met his

2131
01:52:26,880 --> 01:52:29,960
Speaker 4: two best friends here AT. Iu a great defense and

2132
01:52:30,040 --> 01:52:33,200
Speaker 4: a great running. Game SO i think this kid's going

2133
01:52:33,280 --> 01:52:35,720
Speaker 4: to have a terrific, year AND i THINK iu is

2134
01:52:35,720 --> 01:52:36,920
Speaker 4: going to be back in the running next.

2135
01:52:36,920 --> 01:52:40,960
Speaker 1: Season bob appreciate the time as. Always again the column

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Speaker 1: From Bob kravitz is At Bob kravitz dot Com the

2137
01:52:44,400 --> 01:52:47,479
Speaker 1: musings of an old sports. Writer Bob appreciate the time as.

2138
01:52:47,520 --> 01:52:50,759
Speaker 1: Always thank you, Man take care all. Right Bob kravitz

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01:52:50,840 --> 01:52:55,000
Speaker 1: joining us on the program when we come. Back he

2140
01:52:55,479 --> 01:52:57,720
Speaker 1: was on this morning with the morning show, guys AND

2141
01:52:57,800 --> 01:52:59,439
Speaker 1: i know that they talked a little bit about his,

2142
01:52:59,560 --> 01:53:02,479
Speaker 1: Son Jay Gardner, junior who has now been offered from

2143
01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:08,640
Speaker 1: not just you, Know cincinnati And auburn And florida And,

2144
01:53:08,960 --> 01:53:11,840
Speaker 1: indiana But arizona as well Because Jason, gardner the Former

2145
01:53:11,880 --> 01:53:15,559
Speaker 1: Indiana Mister basketball on staff With Arizona cats are back

2146
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:17,960
Speaker 1: In indianapolis in The Final four where they won it

2147
01:53:18,040 --> 01:53:21,240
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety, seven where they practiced at the high

2148
01:53:21,240 --> 01:53:23,400
Speaker 1: school That Jason gardner got to watch the practice for

2149
01:53:23,479 --> 01:53:26,439
Speaker 1: Loud olsen's group At North Central High school back. Then

2150
01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:28,719
Speaker 1: that probably is part of why he ended up himself

2151
01:53:28,840 --> 01:53:31,640
Speaker 1: A wildcat now on staff there and going to join us.

2152
01:53:31,720 --> 01:53:35,760
Speaker 1: Next Jason gardner was great this morning with The Morning show,

2153
01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:40,760
Speaker 1: guys AND i was listening to it AND i, thought

2154
01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:42,920
Speaker 1: you know, WHAT i still have some questions. Here that

2155
01:53:43,240 --> 01:53:45,280
Speaker 1: sounds like it's some sort of an. Indictment it's not

2156
01:53:45,400 --> 01:53:50,479
Speaker 1: in any, way shape or, form but as somebody who

2157
01:53:50,720 --> 01:53:55,400
Speaker 1: peeked out as a sophomore playing basketball At North Central High,

2158
01:53:55,400 --> 01:53:58,400
Speaker 1: school always a pleasure to have on the guy that

2159
01:53:58,560 --> 01:54:01,320
Speaker 1: was the First Indiana Mister, basket all from our alma.

2160
01:54:01,400 --> 01:54:03,240
Speaker 1: Mater he, is of course now on staff at The

2161
01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:06,080
Speaker 1: university Of, arizona where he had An All american. Career

2162
01:54:06,320 --> 01:54:10,360
Speaker 1: Jason gardner joining me on the. Show, JASON i would imagine,

2163
01:54:10,479 --> 01:54:13,479
Speaker 1: busy busy time for you back here and welcome back

2164
01:54:13,520 --> 01:54:14,160
Speaker 1: home to The final.

2165
01:54:14,240 --> 01:54:17,640
Speaker 9: Four it honestly has been awesome thing to get back

2166
01:54:17,720 --> 01:54:22,080
Speaker 9: see some familiar, faces, family be back in your own

2167
01:54:22,200 --> 01:54:25,200
Speaker 9: city where you you, know you know all the, restaurants

2168
01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:28,479
Speaker 9: you know all the. Streets so it's a this is. Brilliant,

2169
01:54:28,560 --> 01:54:29,920
Speaker 9: uh this has been awesome to be.

2170
01:54:30,040 --> 01:54:32,640
Speaker 1: That how is it? Different you? Know AND i know

2171
01:54:32,760 --> 01:54:34,800
Speaker 1: that this is you know For, arizona this is a,

2172
01:54:34,880 --> 01:54:38,160
Speaker 1: program as you, know that is used to success and

2173
01:54:38,240 --> 01:54:41,800
Speaker 1: has had deep runs in the. Tournament but how is it?

2174
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:45,040
Speaker 1: Different and how can you lean on your experience as

2175
01:54:45,080 --> 01:54:47,960
Speaker 1: a player in the final four versus now kind of

2176
01:54:48,080 --> 01:54:50,480
Speaker 1: seeing the way your players are soaking it all.

2177
01:54:50,560 --> 01:54:53,640
Speaker 9: In, WELL i just think, one you, know when it

2178
01:54:53,680 --> 01:54:56,360
Speaker 9: comes to the, GAME i think everybody is stressing over you,

2179
01:54:56,440 --> 01:54:59,560
Speaker 9: know or you, know sometimes thinking about you, know the,

2180
01:55:00,040 --> 01:55:02,040
Speaker 9: know what's going to happen, next what's going to happen

2181
01:55:02,080 --> 01:55:04,280
Speaker 9: in the championship, game what's going to be happen you

2182
01:55:04,360 --> 01:55:06,360
Speaker 9: know next week with my draft, stock what's going to

2183
01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:07,800
Speaker 9: be happening, this that and the other in the. Future

2184
01:55:07,840 --> 01:55:09,640
Speaker 9: so really just trying to really just talk to them

2185
01:55:09,640 --> 01:55:12,480
Speaker 9: about really just being in the moment and not focused

2186
01:55:12,520 --> 01:55:15,320
Speaker 9: on anything like. That it's all about that Next. Saturday

2187
01:55:15,480 --> 01:55:17,840
Speaker 9: this next is Coming, saturday and that's. It that's all

2188
01:55:17,880 --> 01:55:19,240
Speaker 9: you can worry, about and that's all you need to

2189
01:55:19,280 --> 01:55:19,560
Speaker 9: be thinking.

2190
01:55:19,560 --> 01:55:20,480
Speaker 3: About for.

2191
01:55:20,640 --> 01:55:23,720
Speaker 1: You were you more nervous as a young person when

2192
01:55:23,800 --> 01:55:27,640
Speaker 1: it comes to The final four or now in an administrative.

2193
01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:27,320
Speaker 3: ROLE.

2194
01:55:29,160 --> 01:55:30,880
Speaker 9: I will probably say as a, PLAYER i think you're

2195
01:55:30,920 --> 01:55:32,960
Speaker 9: just anxious to get there something that you, know even

2196
01:55:33,000 --> 01:55:35,440
Speaker 9: as a kid in your own, driveway you, know you're

2197
01:55:35,720 --> 01:55:38,160
Speaker 9: you always were talking, about you, know thinking about hitting

2198
01:55:38,160 --> 01:55:40,080
Speaker 9: that big, shot and so now then you get there

2199
01:55:40,120 --> 01:55:42,240
Speaker 9: as a, player SO i think it's just more probably

2200
01:55:42,280 --> 01:55:44,880
Speaker 9: your nerves of want to see what's going to. Happen you're,

2201
01:55:44,880 --> 01:55:47,040
Speaker 9: anxious you know how you're going to, play what's going,

2202
01:55:47,080 --> 01:55:48,720
Speaker 9: on and you wanted to see the. Crowd SO i

2203
01:55:48,760 --> 01:55:49,520
Speaker 9: think probably as a.

2204
01:55:49,560 --> 01:55:54,120
Speaker 1: Player so your role now With, arizona you, know and

2205
01:55:54,520 --> 01:55:57,280
Speaker 1: going back to your alma mater and being In, tucson

2206
01:55:57,440 --> 01:56:01,160
Speaker 1: you are the director of player. Relations that job you've

2207
01:56:01,200 --> 01:56:03,400
Speaker 1: been in now for what probably about five years or.

2208
01:56:03,480 --> 01:56:06,800
Speaker 1: So your day to day operations For arizona basketball is WHAT.

2209
01:56:08,640 --> 01:56:12,280
Speaker 9: I will. SAY i, Mean i'm in contact with the,

2210
01:56:12,320 --> 01:56:15,200
Speaker 9: players just as far as owning off the court, obviously

2211
01:56:15,280 --> 01:56:19,960
Speaker 9: just seeing, academically talking with the guards about WHAT i,

2212
01:56:20,080 --> 01:56:23,040
Speaker 9: see you, know from the game before the, game coming, up,

2213
01:56:23,200 --> 01:56:27,560
Speaker 9: practices you, know dealing with the, parents any issues they.

2214
01:56:27,640 --> 01:56:30,960
Speaker 9: Have so it's really you, know, recruiting understanding what's going

2215
01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:33,240
Speaker 9: on in the, portal what's going on in high. School

2216
01:56:33,240 --> 01:56:35,840
Speaker 9: so it's kind of a little bit of. Everything so

2217
01:56:35,880 --> 01:56:38,040
Speaker 9: iberally wouldn't say this's a one day to day. Deal

2218
01:56:38,360 --> 01:56:40,240
Speaker 9: every every day sometimes a little.

2219
01:56:40,280 --> 01:56:44,280
Speaker 1: Different you, know you had the pleasure, OBVIOUSLY i would

2220
01:56:44,280 --> 01:56:46,320
Speaker 1: assume the pleasure of playing for Loude, olsen who JUST

2221
01:56:46,640 --> 01:56:48,920
Speaker 1: i don't know Loud. OLSON i didn't know Lout Olson,

2222
01:56:49,160 --> 01:56:50,840
Speaker 1: jason but he seemed to me to be just kind

2223
01:56:50,880 --> 01:56:52,960
Speaker 1: of like a laid back. Dude it might be totally

2224
01:56:53,000 --> 01:56:56,560
Speaker 1: different when you were playing for, him but you also

2225
01:56:56,640 --> 01:56:59,120
Speaker 1: played for a really intense guy in high school In Doug.

2226
01:56:59,240 --> 01:57:03,280
Speaker 1: Mitchell when you have now as you're dealing with young,

2227
01:57:03,400 --> 01:57:07,280
Speaker 1: people what coach do you find yourself kind of hearing

2228
01:57:07,360 --> 01:57:10,600
Speaker 1: in your head the most from your own experience as

2229
01:57:10,680 --> 01:57:14,080
Speaker 1: a player that you now take away some of the

2230
01:57:14,160 --> 01:57:15,640
Speaker 1: lessons that they placed on.

2231
01:57:15,760 --> 01:57:19,880
Speaker 9: YOU i, mean, WELL i think FOR i think for Coach,

2232
01:57:19,960 --> 01:57:23,280
Speaker 9: mitchell it was more of you, know always wanting to be,

2233
01:57:23,400 --> 01:57:28,320
Speaker 9: ready always playing your, hardest, uh never giving. UP i,

2234
01:57:28,400 --> 01:57:30,440
Speaker 9: think you, know with Coach, oh it was always just

2235
01:57:30,520 --> 01:57:35,360
Speaker 9: kind of having that calming, demeanor always, prepared always you,

2236
01:57:35,400 --> 01:57:37,960
Speaker 9: know trying to think of heyd of you, know something does,

2237
01:57:38,040 --> 01:57:41,400
Speaker 9: happen how can you be ready to adapt and change something?

2238
01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:43,560
Speaker 9: Up so both of, THEM i, mean, HONESTLY i mean

2239
01:57:43,600 --> 01:57:47,040
Speaker 9: obviously coach Coach mitchell legendary high school. Coach Coach oh

2240
01:57:47,200 --> 01:57:50,000
Speaker 9: legendary college. Coach SO i think both of. Them you,

2241
01:57:50,040 --> 01:57:52,400
Speaker 9: KNOW i took some some very good values from both of.

2242
01:57:52,520 --> 01:57:54,840
Speaker 1: Them what did you learn from your experience when you

2243
01:57:54,920 --> 01:57:56,640
Speaker 1: were the head coach at i Epuy.

2244
01:57:58,840 --> 01:57:59,880
Speaker 6: Just you, know every day.

2245
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:02,160
Speaker 9: DIFFERENT i, MEAN i, think you, know you're dealing with

2246
01:58:02,280 --> 01:58:05,520
Speaker 9: eighteen to twenty to twenty three year old, kids and

2247
01:58:05,720 --> 01:58:08,320
Speaker 9: so you, know you, know you've got to be able

2248
01:58:08,400 --> 01:58:11,800
Speaker 9: to be ready to, adjust, Adapt you're dealing with a

2249
01:58:11,880 --> 01:58:15,160
Speaker 9: lot of different, Backgrounds you're dealing with a lot of

2250
01:58:15,200 --> 01:58:19,200
Speaker 9: different you, know just just you, KNOW i just think

2251
01:58:19,240 --> 01:58:21,920
Speaker 9: the kids of you, know if something's always going, on

2252
01:58:21,960 --> 01:58:23,560
Speaker 9: so you've always got to be ready to change and.

2253
01:58:23,640 --> 01:58:26,680
Speaker 9: Adapt and help them through any situation that they got going,

2254
01:58:26,760 --> 01:58:29,800
Speaker 9: on because, ultimately like that's what it comes down, to you,

2255
01:58:29,880 --> 01:58:31,760
Speaker 9: know as far as it's off the courts and wins and,

2256
01:58:31,800 --> 01:58:34,160
Speaker 9: losses not even about. That it's about just really just

2257
01:58:34,200 --> 01:58:37,120
Speaker 9: teaching them about life and getting through, things getting through,

2258
01:58:37,160 --> 01:58:40,680
Speaker 9: adversity understand that everything's gonna be. Okay and then after that's,

2259
01:58:40,680 --> 01:58:43,280
Speaker 9: okay then a basketball comes. Second SO i think that

2260
01:58:43,400 --> 01:58:45,280
Speaker 9: was the biggest, deal just really just helping the kids through.

2261
01:58:45,320 --> 01:58:48,400
Speaker 1: Life you, KNOW i think with, That Jason gardner is my,

2262
01:58:48,520 --> 01:58:51,400
Speaker 1: GUEST i think it would be really, hard AND i

2263
01:58:51,400 --> 01:58:54,040
Speaker 1: don't want to speak for you, here so stop me

2264
01:58:54,120 --> 01:58:56,320
Speaker 1: If i'm. Wrong, OKAY i guess is What i'm getting

2265
01:58:56,320 --> 01:59:01,280
Speaker 1: at to, be you, know a player where everything just came,

2266
01:59:01,400 --> 01:59:03,840
Speaker 1: naturally at least from the outside it seemed as though

2267
01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:06,520
Speaker 1: it did to, You like success just was synonymous with

2268
01:59:06,600 --> 01:59:08,840
Speaker 1: your career when you were a basketball, player and for

2269
01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:10,960
Speaker 1: the most part it has been in the different things

2270
01:59:11,000 --> 01:59:13,640
Speaker 1: that you've been involved with from a coaching, standpoint but

2271
01:59:13,760 --> 01:59:16,720
Speaker 1: the tenure AT, IUPU, y you, know there are a

2272
01:59:16,760 --> 01:59:19,640
Speaker 1: lot of challenges within especially at that, time right within that,

2273
01:59:19,880 --> 01:59:24,840
Speaker 1: job And i'm assuming that to some, extent it did

2274
01:59:24,920 --> 01:59:27,520
Speaker 1: not go the way from a wins and losses standpoint

2275
01:59:27,600 --> 01:59:31,080
Speaker 1: that you had. Anticipated but yet you have to learn from.

2276
01:59:31,120 --> 01:59:31,720
Speaker 6: That we all.

2277
01:59:31,880 --> 01:59:35,280
Speaker 1: Do was it challenging for you from a coaching standpoint

2278
01:59:35,400 --> 01:59:38,000
Speaker 1: to go through adversity that you had not felt as a?

2279
01:59:38,080 --> 01:59:41,160
Speaker 9: PLAYER i, MEAN i think it definitely. WAS i MEAN

2280
01:59:41,160 --> 01:59:43,040
Speaker 9: i got the job at a young, age AND i

2281
01:59:43,240 --> 01:59:46,480
Speaker 9: even just understanding is scheduling and that was that was

2282
01:59:46,560 --> 01:59:47,720
Speaker 9: one of big deal as far as how do you

2283
01:59:47,760 --> 01:59:49,560
Speaker 9: how do you schedule what makes more? Sense you, know

2284
01:59:49,600 --> 01:59:51,480
Speaker 9: when you got to go play these you got to

2285
01:59:51,520 --> 01:59:53,000
Speaker 9: go play these by, games and when you got to

2286
01:59:53,000 --> 01:59:54,800
Speaker 9: play multiple buy, games do you play them in the

2287
01:59:54,840 --> 01:59:56,200
Speaker 9: back end of the front? End he play them in the?

2288
01:59:56,240 --> 01:59:59,040
Speaker 9: Middle how do you do? THAT i mean that was

2289
01:59:59,080 --> 02:00:02,120
Speaker 9: a big, deal you, know just some you, know probably

2290
02:00:02,200 --> 02:00:04,440
Speaker 9: not having our own gym and kind of practicing the

2291
02:00:04,480 --> 02:00:05,480
Speaker 9: different gyms around the.

2292
02:00:05,520 --> 02:00:06,760
Speaker 2: City that was.

2293
02:00:06,840 --> 02:00:10,840
Speaker 9: Different so but AGAIN i think all that you, live you,

2294
02:00:11,040 --> 02:00:14,440
Speaker 9: learn and SO i think if that opportunity ever happens,

2295
02:00:14,480 --> 02:00:16,520
Speaker 9: AGAIN i don't think there's probably not too many things

2296
02:00:16,600 --> 02:00:19,320
Speaker 9: THAT i probably didn't see. IT i c y That

2297
02:00:19,440 --> 02:00:22,240
Speaker 9: i'll be ready. For and and then obviously just having

2298
02:00:22,280 --> 02:00:24,320
Speaker 9: a staff you, know, uh you, know just kind of

2299
02:00:24,360 --> 02:00:26,960
Speaker 9: being here At, arizona our staff is you, know it's,

2300
02:00:27,040 --> 02:00:28,760
Speaker 9: massive and SO i think that just kind of really

2301
02:00:28,800 --> 02:00:32,440
Speaker 9: helps where everybody kind of has a job and and you,

2302
02:00:32,520 --> 02:00:35,240
Speaker 9: know you take a lot off coaches. Play so but,

2303
02:00:35,360 --> 02:00:37,800
Speaker 9: AGAIN i, MEAN i think going through those experiences only

2304
02:00:38,240 --> 02:00:40,000
Speaker 9: made me. BETTER i think that you, know to have

2305
02:00:40,080 --> 02:00:41,280
Speaker 9: that opportunity, again.

2306
02:00:42,360 --> 02:00:45,080
Speaker 1: What sort of Things Jason gardner is my guest With.

2307
02:00:45,200 --> 02:00:48,320
Speaker 1: Arizona what sort of things Did purdue present to, You

2308
02:00:48,520 --> 02:00:52,320
Speaker 1: jason that you most respected out Of Matt painter and

2309
02:00:52,480 --> 02:00:56,120
Speaker 1: his group and his. Players what jumps out at you

2310
02:00:56,200 --> 02:00:56,840
Speaker 1: about That purdue.

2311
02:00:56,920 --> 02:01:00,720
Speaker 9: PROGRAM i say they. PHYSICALITY i say the way they

2312
02:01:00,800 --> 02:01:04,600
Speaker 9: move the. BALL i say that you couldn't really not

2313
02:01:04,760 --> 02:01:07,840
Speaker 9: get you couldn't really take them away out of kind

2314
02:01:07,880 --> 02:01:10,520
Speaker 9: of what they wanted to. DO i think they stayed

2315
02:01:10,640 --> 02:01:14,040
Speaker 9: with what they wanted to, do their game plan offensively and.

2316
02:01:14,280 --> 02:01:17,720
Speaker 9: Defensively SO i just think this that you can kind

2317
02:01:17,760 --> 02:01:19,520
Speaker 9: of just tell they had a, plan they stuck to, it,

2318
02:01:20,000 --> 02:01:22,480
Speaker 9: Uh and so that was that was very impressive in

2319
02:01:22,840 --> 02:01:27,040
Speaker 9: the physicality that they brought to the, game you, know, defensively,

2320
02:01:27,520 --> 02:01:30,600
Speaker 9: offensive how they screened, defensively how they kind of you,

2321
02:01:30,680 --> 02:01:34,120
Speaker 9: know use their, body so you know THEY i think

2322
02:01:34,160 --> 02:01:35,800
Speaker 9: THAT i think that was the probably the.

2323
02:01:35,800 --> 02:01:38,680
Speaker 1: Biggest part what AND i would imagine does that kind

2324
02:01:38,720 --> 02:01:42,040
Speaker 1: of mirror some of the things that you anticipate being

2325
02:01:42,240 --> 02:01:43,800
Speaker 1: the challenge With michigan.

2326
02:01:44,840 --> 02:01:46,760
Speaker 9: DEFINITELY i, mean, OBVIOUSLY i think The Big. Ten you, know,

2327
02:01:46,840 --> 02:01:49,720
Speaker 9: overall you, know it's a very physical, league and so

2328
02:01:50,440 --> 02:01:52,920
Speaker 9: we know that they're going to be. Physical we know

2329
02:01:53,000 --> 02:01:55,400
Speaker 9: that they're going to have a game. Plan you, know

2330
02:01:55,440 --> 02:01:57,360
Speaker 9: they've been one of the top teams all year, long

2331
02:01:57,520 --> 02:02:00,320
Speaker 9: so you, know they don't probably they don't get rattle

2332
02:02:00,440 --> 02:02:04,280
Speaker 9: really over anything on either side of the. Ball SO i,

2333
02:02:04,360 --> 02:02:06,160
Speaker 9: think you know that that's what makes them one of

2334
02:02:06,200 --> 02:02:07,600
Speaker 9: the better teams in the, league in the in the

2335
02:02:07,680 --> 02:02:07,880
Speaker 9: in the.

2336
02:02:07,920 --> 02:02:10,560
Speaker 1: Country you Guys arizona as a, GROUP i, mean you

2337
02:02:10,640 --> 02:02:13,000
Speaker 1: are obviously physical as. Well you guys love to. Run

2338
02:02:13,240 --> 02:02:15,800
Speaker 1: and yet one of the things in an era where

2339
02:02:16,240 --> 02:02:18,680
Speaker 1: so many people shoot the, three AND i think everybody

2340
02:02:18,760 --> 02:02:20,800
Speaker 1: in the final four shoots at about thirty six percent

2341
02:02:20,880 --> 02:02:22,720
Speaker 1: clip from three point, range but you guys don't take

2342
02:02:22,760 --> 02:02:25,880
Speaker 1: as many as say In, illinois for, example but you're

2343
02:02:25,880 --> 02:02:28,360
Speaker 1: able to get your guards in the operating areas right

2344
02:02:28,480 --> 02:02:32,320
Speaker 1: into the paint and get higher percentage shots in that.

2345
02:02:32,680 --> 02:02:37,040
Speaker 1: Way is that a difficult thing to instill in young

2346
02:02:37,160 --> 02:02:39,840
Speaker 1: players today that so often want to just do like

2347
02:02:39,920 --> 02:02:43,360
Speaker 1: the step back three to have that offensive efficiency that

2348
02:02:43,480 --> 02:02:44,200
Speaker 1: is closer to the.

2349
02:02:44,240 --> 02:02:47,880
Speaker 9: Basket, WELL i think the way that we move the,

2350
02:02:47,960 --> 02:02:50,720
Speaker 9: BALL i think that's just something That tommy's you, know

2351
02:02:50,840 --> 02:02:53,280
Speaker 9: he's spent, on you, know for you, know five years being,

2352
02:02:53,360 --> 02:02:56,160
Speaker 9: here and SO i think that you, know it's you,

2353
02:02:56,200 --> 02:02:57,800
Speaker 9: know when you come and watch our, practice you would

2354
02:02:57,800 --> 02:03:00,560
Speaker 9: think opposite of, us he would, think take a lot of.

2355
02:03:00,640 --> 02:03:02,360
Speaker 9: Threes and then all of a sudden we get into

2356
02:03:02,360 --> 02:03:04,560
Speaker 9: games AND i don't know why guys really don't take,

2357
02:03:04,600 --> 02:03:06,920
Speaker 9: them BUT i know, that you, know we do like

2358
02:03:07,000 --> 02:03:08,440
Speaker 9: to get in the, paint and we do like to,

2359
02:03:08,480 --> 02:03:10,240
Speaker 9: distribute you. Know we like our guards to get to the.

2360
02:03:10,320 --> 02:03:11,880
Speaker 9: Realm we like our bigs to touch the. BALL.

2361
02:03:12,480 --> 02:03:13,240
Speaker 2: U you, know that's no.

2362
02:03:13,360 --> 02:03:15,560
Speaker 9: Secret but it's JUST i DON'T i don't really, HONESTLY

2363
02:03:15,560 --> 02:03:17,160
Speaker 9: i couldn't tell you why these guys dont shoot the,

2364
02:03:17,200 --> 02:03:19,520
Speaker 9: three because we're actually a pretty good shooting a pretty

2365
02:03:19,560 --> 02:03:21,440
Speaker 9: good shooting. Team it's just we don't, really like you,

2366
02:03:21,480 --> 02:03:22,640
Speaker 9: said we don't really take a lot.

2367
02:03:22,560 --> 02:03:25,600
Speaker 1: Of, them so that's not necessarily by instruction or, design.

2368
02:03:26,560 --> 02:03:29,840
Speaker 9: Not at, all not at. All uh. UH i mean

2369
02:03:29,880 --> 02:03:32,040
Speaker 9: we letters came out of. Practice we're playing five on

2370
02:03:32,200 --> 02:03:34,880
Speaker 9: five and you, know we're just. Laughing i'm, thinking you, know,

2371
02:03:35,000 --> 02:03:37,160
Speaker 9: okay On, saturday what's gonna. Happen we're gonna we're gonna

2372
02:03:37,200 --> 02:03:39,320
Speaker 9: launch twenty threes or we're gonna launch. EIGHT i, mean

2373
02:03:39,360 --> 02:03:41,800
Speaker 9: you really just don't. Know but, literally we just walked

2374
02:03:41,840 --> 02:03:44,720
Speaker 9: out of practice and we was playing five on five

2375
02:03:44,800 --> 02:03:47,080
Speaker 9: and we probably in five minutes we took fourteen.

2376
02:03:47,160 --> 02:03:50,040
Speaker 1: Threes did you ever find it hard as a? PLAYER

2377
02:03:50,280 --> 02:03:52,640
Speaker 1: i MEAN i did, personally but then, AGAIN i wasn't

2378
02:03:52,680 --> 02:03:54,880
Speaker 1: of the skill set of you when you played in

2379
02:03:55,080 --> 02:03:57,560
Speaker 1: the big venues like A Lucas oil or from a

2380
02:03:57,680 --> 02:03:59,920
Speaker 1: high school, Standpoint, Jason i'll be honest with, You Lauren,

2381
02:04:00,240 --> 02:04:03,480
Speaker 1: central how they had that like the depth was totally

2382
02:04:03,600 --> 02:04:05,880
Speaker 1: different and it threw you off for like the first

2383
02:04:05,920 --> 02:04:08,840
Speaker 1: couple of possessions of the game before you kind of

2384
02:04:08,920 --> 02:04:11,880
Speaker 1: got your depth feel as a. Shooter did you ever

2385
02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:15,080
Speaker 1: feel That, NO i MEAN.

2386
02:04:15,280 --> 02:04:16,720
Speaker 9: I think a little, bit BUT i think in now

2387
02:04:16,840 --> 02:04:19,760
Speaker 9: with the games that these guys played coming out of high,

2388
02:04:19,800 --> 02:04:23,200
Speaker 9: school and you know the amount of places where they

2389
02:04:23,280 --> 02:04:25,840
Speaker 9: play and all things like. THAT i, don't, HONESTLY i

2390
02:04:25,840 --> 02:04:28,000
Speaker 9: don't think it probably bothers them too much even when we,

2391
02:04:28,080 --> 02:04:29,920
Speaker 9: know for even when we just came off the, court

2392
02:04:30,280 --> 02:04:32,200
Speaker 9: none the god's even mentioned. It and so you, KNOW

2393
02:04:32,240 --> 02:04:33,560
Speaker 9: i don't know if they're talking about it now in

2394
02:04:33,560 --> 02:04:36,520
Speaker 9: the locker, room but nobody really mentioned. It and, obviously you,

2395
02:04:36,560 --> 02:04:38,080
Speaker 9: know you don't want to mention it because you don't

2396
02:04:38,080 --> 02:04:40,040
Speaker 9: want them to start overthinking. It or the first time

2397
02:04:40,080 --> 02:04:42,240
Speaker 9: they missed a, shot that's the first time they are thinking.

2398
02:04:42,280 --> 02:04:44,000
Speaker 9: It so but, NO i, DON'T i. DON'T i don't

2399
02:04:44,000 --> 02:04:45,840
Speaker 9: think at. All no one's mentioning. It SO i don't

2400
02:04:45,840 --> 02:04:48,360
Speaker 9: even know if that's they've even thought about.

2401
02:04:48,080 --> 02:04:52,160
Speaker 1: It which for you IS i guess the more surreal

2402
02:04:52,360 --> 02:04:58,400
Speaker 1: process that of being recruited yourself as a national level,

2403
02:04:58,480 --> 02:05:02,720
Speaker 1: recruit or are seeing your son going through IT a

2404
02:05:03,280 --> 02:05:07,440
Speaker 1: from a father, standpoint and THEN b from being on

2405
02:05:07,560 --> 02:05:10,400
Speaker 1: a staff that is recruiting your. Son which of those

2406
02:05:10,520 --> 02:05:14,400
Speaker 1: is the most? BIZARRE i will probably say my son being.

2407
02:05:14,440 --> 02:05:16,960
Speaker 9: RECRUITED i, Mean i'm Still i'm you, know there's there's

2408
02:05:16,960 --> 02:05:19,120
Speaker 9: SOMETIMES i still look at, him and, man this kid

2409
02:05:19,240 --> 02:05:20,960
Speaker 9: he didn't make his. Bed he. Didn't he didn't he

2410
02:05:21,000 --> 02:05:23,160
Speaker 9: didn't throw his trash out of his, room you. Know

2411
02:05:23,320 --> 02:05:25,200
Speaker 9: so then you get the phone call and someone's talking

2412
02:05:25,240 --> 02:05:27,840
Speaker 9: about his. Son it's, like, yeah, hey, man but he

2413
02:05:27,880 --> 02:05:29,360
Speaker 9: didn't pick the damn trash us.

2414
02:05:29,720 --> 02:05:32,080
Speaker 1: So no so so but but also.

2415
02:05:32,120 --> 02:05:33,520
Speaker 9: Too but then on the other, hand you, know you're

2416
02:05:33,520 --> 02:05:35,320
Speaker 9: a proud dad of all the hard work he puts,

2417
02:05:35,360 --> 02:05:37,160
Speaker 9: in how much he loves the. Game and it's see

2418
02:05:37,200 --> 02:05:39,360
Speaker 9: the phone, call the text message that he's, getting different

2419
02:05:39,400 --> 02:05:41,240
Speaker 9: things like. That SO i think it's a little bit of.

2420
02:05:41,280 --> 02:05:43,320
Speaker 9: Both BUT i will probably say him being, recruited.

2421
02:05:43,120 --> 02:05:47,160
Speaker 1: How involved do you get with that versus allowing him

2422
02:05:47,200 --> 02:05:49,680
Speaker 1: to make his own decisions in his own progress in

2423
02:05:49,840 --> 02:05:50,640
Speaker 1: terms of the recruiting.

2424
02:05:50,680 --> 02:05:54,160
Speaker 9: Process, uh, WELL i think SINCE i know a lot

2425
02:05:54,200 --> 02:05:57,160
Speaker 9: of the, COACHES i know style of, PLAY i know,

2426
02:05:57,400 --> 02:05:59,840
Speaker 9: leagues you, know it's JUST i try to have him kind, of,

2427
02:06:00,320 --> 02:06:02,440
Speaker 9: uh you, know if he's watching a, game get a

2428
02:06:02,480 --> 02:06:04,200
Speaker 9: better feel of the pace of the, game how does

2429
02:06:04,240 --> 02:06:05,800
Speaker 9: the coach, play what does the point guards want to?

2430
02:06:05,840 --> 02:06:07,600
Speaker 9: Do SO i kind of asked him just questions like

2431
02:06:07,680 --> 02:06:09,160
Speaker 9: that so he can kind of get me in, form but,

2432
02:06:09,280 --> 02:06:12,000
Speaker 9: ultimately you, know it's his. Decision you, Know i'm gonna

2433
02:06:12,000 --> 02:06:13,800
Speaker 9: support it no matter where he wants to, go what

2434
02:06:13,920 --> 02:06:16,920
Speaker 9: he wants to. Do but, uh but just more so

2435
02:06:17,080 --> 02:06:19,400
Speaker 9: just trying to have him look at different different things

2436
02:06:19,480 --> 02:06:21,680
Speaker 9: in in a in a different odd Since i'm Since

2437
02:06:21,720 --> 02:06:22,520
Speaker 9: i'm literally in the.

2438
02:06:22,600 --> 02:06:25,160
Speaker 1: Business and if he doesn't go To, arizona he gets, grounded,

2439
02:06:25,320 --> 02:06:26,280
Speaker 1: Right is that how it? Works?

2440
02:06:27,320 --> 02:06:29,880
Speaker 9: Uh he he gets grounded for a little. Bit, no, no, no, no,

2441
02:06:30,160 --> 02:06:32,080
Speaker 9: NO i MEAN i, KNOW i mean that that that

2442
02:06:32,120 --> 02:06:34,080
Speaker 9: would be super cool, too but also TOO i think you,

2443
02:06:34,160 --> 02:06:36,240
Speaker 9: know he has his own, vision his own, mind and

2444
02:06:36,640 --> 02:06:38,640
Speaker 9: uh where he, uh you, know he kind of wants

2445
02:06:38,680 --> 02:06:40,600
Speaker 9: to put his own stamp To but, again if it

2446
02:06:40,800 --> 02:06:43,640
Speaker 9: ends up Being arizona, perfect and if it's somewhere, else you,

2447
02:06:43,720 --> 02:06:45,960
Speaker 9: know the Ball, manah he he's still fulfilling his.

2448
02:06:46,120 --> 02:06:48,480
Speaker 1: Dream, Yeah edie points, out you could just simply say to, him,

2449
02:06:48,520 --> 02:06:49,880
Speaker 1: look you can go somewhere else if you, want but

2450
02:06:50,000 --> 02:06:51,680
Speaker 1: you're in charge of your own, tuition young.

2451
02:06:51,760 --> 02:06:51,880
Speaker 3: Man.

2452
02:06:52,040 --> 02:06:55,800
Speaker 1: Right, uh the old school. Way, hey well he you

2453
02:06:55,840 --> 02:06:58,440
Speaker 1: Know Fisher's High school where your son has been a prolific,

2454
02:06:58,560 --> 02:07:02,920
Speaker 1: player and you, know we now see more often more,

2455
02:07:03,040 --> 02:07:05,280
Speaker 1: CASES i should say of players that in their last

2456
02:07:05,400 --> 02:07:08,320
Speaker 1: year of high school will go to an. Academy they

2457
02:07:08,480 --> 02:07:11,680
Speaker 1: just had a coaching change At. Fisher's will your son

2458
02:07:11,960 --> 02:07:15,800
Speaker 1: finish his his high school career At? Fishers you, know,

2459
02:07:15,880 --> 02:07:18,720
Speaker 1: honestly we talked about. It he likes fisher a, Lot

2460
02:07:18,760 --> 02:07:20,320
Speaker 1: he got a lot of friends. There he's had an

2461
02:07:20,440 --> 02:07:22,920
Speaker 1: unbelievable career there on.

2462
02:07:23,080 --> 02:07:25,480
Speaker 9: A state but also, too like A tona hey, man you,

2463
02:07:25,560 --> 02:07:26,920
Speaker 9: know it's just you, know we kind of got to

2464
02:07:26,960 --> 02:07:29,240
Speaker 9: go through the process and what makes. Sense and you,

2465
02:07:29,320 --> 02:07:31,160
Speaker 9: know if you end up back At, fisher's great if

2466
02:07:31,200 --> 02:07:33,280
Speaker 9: It if it's something that makes more sense where you

2467
02:07:33,360 --> 02:07:35,680
Speaker 9: go prep, school, great you, know but it just has

2468
02:07:35,760 --> 02:07:38,240
Speaker 9: to make. Sense but so we talked about it a little.

2469
02:07:38,280 --> 02:07:40,520
Speaker 9: Bit SO i think we got to see how the summer.

2470
02:07:40,640 --> 02:07:43,720
Speaker 9: Goes but he really he really Enjoys fishers, AGAIN i,

2471
02:07:43,760 --> 02:07:46,200
Speaker 9: mean and when he if decides to go, BACK i

2472
02:07:46,240 --> 02:07:48,640
Speaker 9: think that team can be a team that, can you,

2473
02:07:48,680 --> 02:07:50,640
Speaker 9: know next, year can be picked to win. State so

2474
02:07:51,280 --> 02:07:53,000
Speaker 9: uh so we's got to see how.

2475
02:07:52,920 --> 02:07:55,720
Speaker 1: This, all how this all plays, out and how much

2476
02:07:55,800 --> 02:07:57,680
Speaker 1: say would you have in that versus just kind of

2477
02:07:57,720 --> 02:08:02,360
Speaker 1: allowing him to make that. Decision, uh you, know it's

2478
02:08:02,480 --> 02:08:02,720
Speaker 1: all his.

2479
02:08:02,840 --> 02:08:05,000
Speaker 9: DECISIONS i MEAN i think that uh you, know we

2480
02:08:05,120 --> 02:08:07,600
Speaker 9: all gonna sit down as a family and everybody no

2481
02:08:07,800 --> 02:08:09,560
Speaker 9: no difference THAN i. Did we all sit down in the,

2482
02:08:09,600 --> 02:08:12,880
Speaker 9: family everybody gives their pros and cons and ultimately kind

2483
02:08:12,920 --> 02:08:14,440
Speaker 9: of Like, jay, hey what do you want to?

2484
02:08:14,520 --> 02:08:14,560
Speaker 8: Do.

2485
02:08:15,200 --> 02:08:17,240
Speaker 9: Uh so that's just kind of where we. Are BUT

2486
02:08:17,440 --> 02:08:19,480
Speaker 9: i THINK i think he's. EXCITED i, mean, obviously you

2487
02:08:19,520 --> 02:08:22,040
Speaker 9: know he's had phone calls from prep. SCHOOLS a lot

2488
02:08:22,080 --> 02:08:24,480
Speaker 9: of his friends are at prep. School. Uh BUT i

2489
02:08:24,560 --> 02:08:26,840
Speaker 9: think all you know this this, year coming back for

2490
02:08:26,920 --> 02:08:28,680
Speaker 9: his junior, year his big deal was he wanted to win.

2491
02:08:28,760 --> 02:08:31,640
Speaker 9: State so that may that may kind of you, know

2492
02:08:31,800 --> 02:08:33,680
Speaker 9: put back in his mind like you, know we didn't

2493
02:08:33,680 --> 02:08:36,200
Speaker 9: we didn't get out of sex, shows and SO i

2494
02:08:36,280 --> 02:08:36,760
Speaker 9: want to win a.

2495
02:08:36,800 --> 02:08:39,640
Speaker 1: State fuel that fire a little. Bit all. Right, Lastly,

2496
02:08:39,720 --> 02:08:41,640
Speaker 1: JASON i got to know, this what is The i'm

2497
02:08:41,640 --> 02:08:44,840
Speaker 1: always fascinated about. This what is the schedule for a

2498
02:08:44,960 --> 02:08:47,000
Speaker 1: final four? TRIP i, MEAN i know you try to

2499
02:08:47,120 --> 02:08:50,240
Speaker 1: keep at business as, usual but in terms of just

2500
02:08:50,560 --> 02:08:53,520
Speaker 1: bringing your guys in and the practices and the commitments

2501
02:08:53,560 --> 02:08:56,240
Speaker 1: and everything, else what is? It and how crazy is.

2502
02:08:56,240 --> 02:08:59,960
Speaker 9: It, WELL i, think you, know got in last, night

2503
02:09:00,000 --> 02:09:03,840
Speaker 9: they watched, watch had, dinner watch, film got up this,

2504
02:09:04,000 --> 02:09:07,280
Speaker 9: morning watch some more, film how to walk. Through they had.

2505
02:09:07,360 --> 02:09:09,840
Speaker 9: Practicing now they're gonna be at the arena for two

2506
02:09:09,920 --> 02:09:13,920
Speaker 9: more hours doing some media. Stuff then after that they

2507
02:09:14,040 --> 02:09:17,760
Speaker 9: got they got they got, dinner and we got film

2508
02:09:17,840 --> 02:09:19,320
Speaker 9: and next thing you, know it's gonna be nine thirty at.

2509
02:09:19,400 --> 02:09:21,960
Speaker 9: Nights so it, actually it actually goes pretty. QUICK i

2510
02:09:21,960 --> 02:09:22,640
Speaker 9: mean they're kind of on.

2511
02:09:22,680 --> 02:09:24,640
Speaker 6: The go all, day you.

2512
02:09:24,720 --> 02:09:26,760
Speaker 9: Know but what's actually. Cool they got the they got

2513
02:09:26,800 --> 02:09:28,680
Speaker 9: the game room for, him so you, know last night

2514
02:09:28,720 --> 02:09:30,760
Speaker 9: they were all down there playing TWO k, together you,

2515
02:09:30,800 --> 02:09:33,680
Speaker 9: know you, know some friends and family and they're actually

2516
02:09:33,680 --> 02:09:35,560
Speaker 9: playing TWO k in the locker room as we. Speak

2517
02:09:35,960 --> 02:09:38,080
Speaker 9: SO i think it even though it seems like it's

2518
02:09:38,120 --> 02:09:40,560
Speaker 9: on the, go it's actually a lot of bonding time as.

2519
02:09:40,600 --> 02:09:42,919
Speaker 1: Well, hey can you use your influence to Get arizona

2520
02:09:43,000 --> 02:09:45,600
Speaker 1: to permanently go back to the late eighties early nineties

2521
02:09:45,680 --> 02:09:47,680
Speaker 1: logo with the cactus on, it which is the greatest

2522
02:09:47,720 --> 02:09:50,440
Speaker 1: logo in college? Basketball can you just permanently put that?

2523
02:09:50,560 --> 02:09:54,840
Speaker 9: In you, KNOW i wish you, know anything that we

2524
02:09:55,040 --> 02:09:58,600
Speaker 9: put that logo, On whether it's A t, shirt, jacket, sweatpants.

2525
02:09:58,720 --> 02:10:02,280
Speaker 9: Whatever maybe everybody won't, it SO i know that's the,

2526
02:10:02,360 --> 02:10:04,800
Speaker 9: best you, Know, Yeah bet it is.

2527
02:10:04,880 --> 02:10:08,360
Speaker 1: Great, jason welcome back home and certainly enjoy all of.

2528
02:10:08,400 --> 02:10:10,600
Speaker 1: It we wish you the best of luck and trying

2529
02:10:10,640 --> 02:10:12,560
Speaker 1: to do What arizona did back in ninety, seven and

2530
02:10:12,600 --> 02:10:15,040
Speaker 1: that's win a national title in the city Of. Indianapolis

2531
02:10:15,080 --> 02:10:19,040
Speaker 1: certainly appreciate the time, Today thank, you thanks for having

2532
02:10:19,080 --> 02:10:21,840
Speaker 1: Me Jason gardner joining me on the. Program we'll come

2533
02:10:21,880 --> 02:10:23,720
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2534
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2542
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2545
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Speaker 1: John it's starting to feel for certain Like final four. Weekend,

2549
02:11:08,200 --> 02:11:08,680
Speaker 1: MAN i love.

2550
02:11:08,720 --> 02:11:09,680
Speaker 11: It yeah it.

2551
02:11:09,840 --> 02:11:11,120
Speaker 1: Is i've not been downtown.

2552
02:11:11,360 --> 02:11:14,920
Speaker 11: Yet you have because you're there. Today what's to feel

2553
02:11:15,000 --> 02:11:17,720
Speaker 11: like two blocks north of where the epicenter of all

2554
02:11:17,800 --> 02:11:18,720
Speaker 11: that stuff is gonna go?

2555
02:11:18,840 --> 02:11:21,160
Speaker 1: On what's the feel got? THERE i MEAN i, think,

2556
02:11:21,400 --> 02:11:23,440
Speaker 1: well first, off you've got to navigate your way through

2557
02:11:23,560 --> 02:11:25,480
Speaker 1: like every road that's blocked, off so hopefully they get

2558
02:11:25,520 --> 02:11:27,400
Speaker 1: that figured. Out but, WELL i, said we are.

2559
02:11:27,440 --> 02:11:31,600
Speaker 11: We Are Orange Barrel city around, Here, BUDDY i tell.

2560
02:11:31,640 --> 02:11:35,320
Speaker 11: You timing is, great great, Timing but you start.

2561
02:11:35,200 --> 02:11:37,640
Speaker 1: Hearing about all the different events and the concert and everything.

2562
02:11:37,680 --> 02:11:39,520
Speaker 1: ELSE i mean you can you can just for. Me

2563
02:11:39,640 --> 02:11:42,320
Speaker 1: the weather, also like it just feels Like final four.

2564
02:11:42,400 --> 02:11:44,160
Speaker 1: WEEKEND i don't, know, MAN i love everything about.

2565
02:11:44,200 --> 02:11:46,120
Speaker 11: It it can't decide what it wants to. Do do

2566
02:11:46,120 --> 02:11:48,000
Speaker 11: you want to, rain do you want a sun to come?

2567
02:11:48,080 --> 02:11:50,240
Speaker 11: Out do you want to be, Humid, wendy you want

2568
02:11:50,280 --> 02:11:52,440
Speaker 11: to be? Cold or right in the middle of, that

2569
02:11:52,520 --> 02:11:55,880
Speaker 11: you just it's the decision has not been made. Yet,

2570
02:11:56,000 --> 02:11:58,520
Speaker 11: weatherwise we'll. SEE i guess what's lined up on the big.

2571
02:11:58,600 --> 02:12:02,160
Speaker 11: Program all, Right SO i Know Alan henderson And Brian

2572
02:12:02,280 --> 02:12:04,720
Speaker 11: cardinal as you, know the former who's your former Boiler,

2573
02:12:04,800 --> 02:12:07,520
Speaker 11: maker will be here At Total wine near your old

2574
02:12:07,640 --> 02:12:10,400
Speaker 11: stomping grounds up off of eighty Sixth. Street we're At

2575
02:12:10,560 --> 02:12:14,879
Speaker 11: nora at that. LOCATION i prepped myself over At Taylor's

2576
02:12:14,920 --> 02:12:17,600
Speaker 11: pub per. USUAL i went over to The, goodwill the

2577
02:12:17,640 --> 02:12:19,640
Speaker 11: greatest good will of all time over here to make

2578
02:12:19,680 --> 02:12:23,200
Speaker 11: sure that everything was copacetic working in there, too, Buddy

2579
02:12:23,560 --> 02:12:26,080
Speaker 11: and we'll have guys. HERE i think Bradla mullin's gonna

2580
02:12:26,120 --> 02:12:28,880
Speaker 11: join us a little bit later on in the show as,

2581
02:12:29,040 --> 02:12:32,400
Speaker 11: Well Mike chapel with owners meeting stuff And Kirk cousins

2582
02:12:32,560 --> 02:12:36,879
Speaker 11: going to The, raiders and, oh how about The harrelson

2583
02:12:37,000 --> 02:12:40,080
Speaker 11: kid From fisher how that notre dame as in the transfer.

2584
02:12:40,200 --> 02:12:43,240
Speaker 11: Portal if you're gonna flip a, coin let's just, say for,

2585
02:12:43,320 --> 02:12:46,640
Speaker 11: EXAMPLE i you are perdue if you only got which

2586
02:12:46,680 --> 02:12:48,920
Speaker 11: one do you think could end up reeling him in?

2587
02:12:49,520 --> 02:12:52,560
Speaker 11: Here because both were on him hot and, heavy as

2588
02:12:52,600 --> 02:12:54,080
Speaker 11: they said In, SEINFELD.

2589
02:12:53,840 --> 02:12:57,760
Speaker 1: I Think i'll Say indiana will go after. It from

2590
02:12:57,800 --> 02:13:02,440
Speaker 1: a more lucrative, standpoint would Say indiana a big gift

2591
02:13:02,480 --> 02:13:02,840
Speaker 1: For Ryan.

2592
02:13:02,920 --> 02:13:06,120
Speaker 11: Carr, right that would be a big get For Ryan.

2593
02:13:06,240 --> 02:13:08,760
Speaker 11: Carr there's no. Question i'm just kind of wondering about that.

2594
02:13:08,920 --> 02:13:11,400
Speaker 1: Too but you know you should Ask, ryan Ask Brian

2595
02:13:11,440 --> 02:13:14,080
Speaker 1: cardinal And Alan henderson which one they think? Of you

2596
02:13:14,120 --> 02:13:17,040
Speaker 1: know WHAT i, mean you can get both. Sides were, there?

2597
02:13:17,200 --> 02:13:18,200
Speaker 1: Right who do you?

2598
02:13:18,320 --> 02:13:18,520
Speaker 6: Think?

2599
02:13:18,920 --> 02:13:20,520
Speaker 1: So who are you talking to in the transfer?

2600
02:13:20,600 --> 02:13:23,280
Speaker 11: Portal right? Now that may end up at your alma. Mater,

2601
02:13:23,480 --> 02:13:26,240
Speaker 11: no those are good questions to ask. Too but now

2602
02:13:26,320 --> 02:13:28,000
Speaker 11: this is a fun time of. Year it really. Is

2603
02:13:28,040 --> 02:13:30,400
Speaker 11: talked To dusty maybe yesterday it was really, awesome you,

2604
02:13:30,480 --> 02:13:33,760
Speaker 11: know and then getting set for that game Against arizona

2605
02:13:34,040 --> 02:13:37,720
Speaker 11: and we're lucky we have some really good storylines to

2606
02:13:37,840 --> 02:13:41,360
Speaker 11: go along with some very high caliber teams this weekend To.

2607
02:13:41,520 --> 02:13:44,440
Speaker 1: Jake, yeah and you know a local connection with each,

2608
02:13:44,560 --> 02:13:47,160
Speaker 1: school which is also. Cool, Lastly, JOHN i got to

2609
02:13:47,160 --> 02:13:49,320
Speaker 1: ask you The, yeah were you surprised by The Kirk,

2610
02:13:49,360 --> 02:13:51,800
Speaker 1: Cousins not the signing by The, raiders but rather the

2611
02:13:51,880 --> 02:13:54,840
Speaker 1: money they gave him twenty million guaranteed in year? One, yeah,

2612
02:13:55,040 --> 02:13:55,360
Speaker 1: YEAH i.

2613
02:13:55,680 --> 02:14:01,400
Speaker 11: DON'T i hope that Again mendoza is able sooner rather

2614
02:14:01,520 --> 02:14:04,520
Speaker 11: than later to separate, himself and there'd be no question

2615
02:14:04,680 --> 02:14:07,360
Speaker 11: there because the one thing we know about, cousins wherever

2616
02:14:07,440 --> 02:14:10,600
Speaker 11: that dude, goes for whatever, reason there are moments where

2617
02:14:11,160 --> 02:14:15,360
Speaker 11: he creates questions as to who you should be. Starting

2618
02:14:16,040 --> 02:14:19,720
Speaker 11: and For mendoza's sake and for The raider's, sake hopefully

2619
02:14:20,400 --> 02:14:22,960
Speaker 11: you Get mendoza that comes in. There and it doesn't

2620
02:14:23,000 --> 02:14:24,760
Speaker 11: have to be right, AWAY i would, guess but you

2621
02:14:24,800 --> 02:14:28,200
Speaker 11: would love. It but you hope that he separates himself

2622
02:14:28,320 --> 02:14:32,160
Speaker 11: and this is absolutely your, future and you, know not

2623
02:14:32,280 --> 02:14:35,640
Speaker 11: something like what we've had around here basically, forever you

2624
02:14:35,680 --> 02:14:37,560
Speaker 11: know WHAT i, Mean like the complete opposite of. Here

2625
02:14:37,680 --> 02:14:40,120
Speaker 11: that's the complete opposite of where we are right.

2626
02:14:40,200 --> 02:14:44,040
Speaker 1: Here they're handle it completely. Differently, yes, yeah so hopefully

2627
02:14:44,120 --> 02:14:46,560
Speaker 1: that is the case for, them. Buddy all, Right john

2628
02:14:46,560 --> 02:14:47,800
Speaker 1: will throw it out to you in just a little.

2629
02:14:47,840 --> 02:14:49,800
Speaker 1: Bit you've carried home till. Six have fun out, there all,

2630
02:14:49,880 --> 02:14:52,760
Speaker 1: Right Thanks, bob. Certainly Tell Alan henderson And Brian cardinal

2631
02:14:52,840 --> 02:14:56,080
Speaker 1: hello as. Well all, right really busy. Day appreciate Uh

2632
02:14:56,240 --> 02:14:59,600
Speaker 1: eddie putting everything together. Today Bob kravitz joining. Us thank.

2633
02:14:59,640 --> 02:15:02,120
Speaker 1: You That's Steve. ALFORD i thought was really. Good that

2634
02:15:02,200 --> 02:15:04,560
Speaker 1: will be up at one oh seven. Five thefan dot

2635
02:15:04,720 --> 02:15:07,600
Speaker 1: com is where you can find that interview and go

2636
02:15:07,760 --> 02:15:08,560
Speaker 1: back and listen to.

2637
02:15:08,720 --> 02:15:08,960
Speaker 5: It he.

2638
02:15:09,160 --> 02:15:12,560
Speaker 1: WAS i really enjoyed having him on, today which was very. Cool.

2639
02:15:13,040 --> 02:15:15,920
Speaker 1: Uh and again talking about some two guys that are

2640
02:15:15,960 --> 02:15:19,800
Speaker 1: back for the final. Four Ben humrickhouse was great From,

2641
02:15:19,840 --> 02:15:23,040
Speaker 1: Illinois Jason gardner From arizona as, well And Tony east talking.

2642
02:15:23,080 --> 02:15:25,200
Speaker 1: Pacers john's up. Next we'll be back with you at noon,

2643
02:15:25,200 --> 02:15:27,480
Speaker 1: tomorrow AND i thank you for listening to The Quey.

2644
02:15:27,560 --> 02:15:27,840
Speaker 3: Company