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Speaker 1: So, Eddie Garrison, folks of Indianapolis, lend me your ears.

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Speaker 1: I had one of my three p forty eight in

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Speaker 1: the morning. I did not sleep well last night at

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Speaker 1: Sunday night last night. The law of averages balanced itself out,

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Speaker 1: water found its level. To use my term, didn't sleep

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Speaker 1: well at all. But as you know, Eddie, sometimes when

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Speaker 1: and I had one that happened last night. Now you

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Speaker 1: are aware, as we all are in Indianapolis, of the

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Speaker 1: woman who is essentially and she passed away of course recently,

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Speaker 1: but the woman who who is credited with being the matriarch,

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Speaker 1: the visionary, the leader of the Indiana Pacers historically in

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Speaker 1: franchise history. You know who I'm talking about, correct, Eddie,

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Speaker 1: Sure that would be.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be a completely linistic. I wasn't paying attention.

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Speaker 2: I was just saying, sure to go along with the ban.

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Speaker 2: Now you're so you're working today, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm working on something with Scott Agnes right now.

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Speaker 1: So okay, well, my apologies, so the maytriarch of the

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Speaker 1: Indiana Pacers. Everybody just pretend that Eddie's not working today.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Leonard is the answer I was looking for now.

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Speaker 1: I was going to have Eddie participate and a little

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Speaker 1: will do it on my own here. If you were

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Speaker 1: to take your high school like for myself, I went

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Speaker 1: to North Central High School, and if you were to say,

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Speaker 1: we are going to your last name where it is,

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Speaker 1: then like Querry North Central High School. Nancy Leonard I

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Speaker 1: knew was a native of South ben and I looked

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Speaker 1: it up. This is the kind of stuff that happens

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Speaker 1: Leonard attended Riley High School in South Bend, South Bend Riley,

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Speaker 1: South Bend Riley Leonard High School, and lo and behold,

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Speaker 1: does that not weigh perfectly into the storyline of today

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Speaker 1: if you could please the breaking news sounder, this just in,

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Speaker 1: Riley Leonard will be starting for the Colts come Sunday

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Speaker 1: against the Houston Texans. Now that is obviously not a

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Speaker 1: the future essentially, not literally, because Riley Leonard in no

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Speaker 1: if Riley Leonard is the future for the Indianapolis Colts.

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Speaker 1: They're in a bigger world of hurt than we thought.

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Speaker 1: But what they have to do is find out just

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Speaker 1: have spelled out the reasons why Philip rivers there is

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Speaker 1: But what Indiana has done in Kurt Signetty with this

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Speaker 1: they that good in basketball? Because your branding comes into

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Speaker 1: play a little bit there. I got confused on my

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Speaker 1: reverse on my sports but you get what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: So you got to wonder if Alabama fans, even though

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Speaker 1: they know Indiana's really good, do you think they're totally

437
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Speaker 1: sold on it or do you think they're like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's Indiana.

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Speaker 3: Probably a mixture of the two, depending.

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Speaker 1: On how much they paid attention. Right, speaking of paying attention,

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Speaker 1: if you were paying attention last night, there was a

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Speaker 1: moment in the Pacer game to me that was of

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Speaker 1: great concern. It was of great concern, and it made

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Speaker 1: me begin to wonder and think back again to precedent. Yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I talked about how the Colts and the situation that

446
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: they're in. You can look at the Turner Sabonus era

447
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: for the Pacers and maybe learn off of how Indiana

448
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: handled that from a basketball standpoint and what the Colts

449
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: can learn from that. And I wonder if there wasn't

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Speaker 1: something I saw last night that doesn't indicate perhaps there's

451
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: an area where you could learn from the Colts now

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Speaker 1: from a Pacer standpoint the other way around. I'll get

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Speaker 1: to that. I'll explain what I'm talking about. And on

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Speaker 1: the program today, Scott aginst you said you're working with Scott.

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Speaker 1: Did you say Scott's in for today? Yes, Scott's in

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Speaker 1: one o'clock. Yes, Scott against Joints is one o'clock today.

457
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Speaker 1: Stephen Holder coming up in the two o'clock hour. We'll

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Speaker 1: get more into the fact Riley Leonard your starting quarterback.

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Speaker 1: But what was it last night I saw about the

460
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Speaker 1: Pacers and what could they potentially learn from the Colts.

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Speaker 1: I'll explain next couple of news and notes before we

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Speaker 1: get into what I was going to discuss about the

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Speaker 1: Pacers last night. First off, I guess from a national standpoint,

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Speaker 1: Northwestern has hired Chip Kelly as their offensive coordinator. That

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Speaker 1: is significant only because there was some discussion speculation, probably

466
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Speaker 1: more so that perhaps Ohio State would go back to

467
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Speaker 1: that well and have Kelly come back for their playoff

468
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Speaker 1: run to call someplace for them. But he is on

469
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Speaker 1: his way to Northwestern as the offensive coordinator and the joker.

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Speaker 1: Did you see this last night in Denver? Actually? I

471
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Speaker 1: believe they were on the road, though weren't they?

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Speaker 2: I can't remember where they were, but yeah, that was

473
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 2: a pretty scary injury.

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Speaker 1: Nikola Jokic will miss four weeks with a knee injury

475
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Speaker 1: but avoided.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

477
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Speaker 2: Hyper nature, Yeah, hyper extension is what Sean's Shania is

478
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 2: reporting up and of course in the NFL Jake as well,

479
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 2: a lot of Stefan Diggs stuff coming out as of late.

480
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 2: He is facing some pretty serious charges. It sounds like strangulation,

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Speaker 2: possibly domestic domestic assault, battery.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's.

483
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Speaker 1: A misdemeanor charge of assault and felony charge of strangulation

484
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Speaker 1: from a December second incident involving Stefan Diggs. Emotion. Hearing

485
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: was at eleven o'clock this morning in Massachusett. It's a

486
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Speaker 1: judge will decide whether to impound the court documents ahead

487
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: of diggs arraignment on January the twenty third. And it

488
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: goes without saying, you know, you don't say, well, you know,

489
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: the football takes priority here and then we'll see no this,

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00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: you know, this is more important than football itself in

491
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Speaker 1: terms of when you say, well, what would this mean

492
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Speaker 1: for his football time? That is significant only because he

493
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Speaker 1: is a key member of the Patriots offense. But Stefan

494
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Speaker 1: Diggs wonderful talent. But there have been, you know, more

495
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Speaker 1: than one occasion now where the character is certainly of question.

496
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Speaker 1: But that's the latest in that situation. Also, last night,

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Speaker 1: our fantasy football the Chicago's Pizza Fantasy Football League, Chicago's Pizza,

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Speaker 1: Nate Epple has been the dominant force. I mean he

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Speaker 1: literally has been the you know, he's the brilliant mastermind.

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Speaker 1: He's the Bill Pollion of all of this, right, and

501
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: had the dominant team, but Chicago's Pizza. We had an upset,

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Speaker 1: did we not Eddie in the championship?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, we did have a slight upset. Although I

504
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 2: think George Alikhorn's team was a force to be reckoned with.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he was one that should have been

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Speaker 2: viewed as a major underdog.

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Speaker 1: What was his record in the regular season, George.

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Speaker 3: Let me pull it back up, but I know he was.

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Speaker 3: I think he was the second seed.

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00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: Okay, so he pulled off the upset though even still

511
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: second seed over the top seed, over Chicago's Pizza, and

512
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: he will win wait for it at Chicago's Pizza gift

513
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: card for that. So we congratuate him for that. I

514
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: was actually playing in the seventh round, seventh place game.

515
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: It's funny like our league. I don't know if you notice,

516
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: like every single team except for those top two, seemingly

517
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: everybody was like eight to nine or nine to eight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So Nate Epple Chicago's Pizza twelve and two going

519
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 2: into the postseason. DeVante's Inferno was George's team who ended

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Speaker 2: up winning the whole thing nine and five. He was second.

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Speaker 1: I was the third seed who finished it back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 2: I was the third seed who finished third nine and five.

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Speaker 2: And then Snowy White Sox also finished nine and five

525
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Speaker 2: in the regular season, and that was Jim.

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Speaker 1: He beat you in the third place game, didn't he?

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Speaker 1: Did you get beat? No? I won? You did?

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Speaker 3: I did win?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I last night again, I got completely. Not that

530
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: anybody cares about your fantasy team, but because it's the

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Speaker 1: station and show, well the show fantasy, that guy will

532
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: tell you I made it right going into and this

533
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: is the problem when you get into last two weeks

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00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: of the year, right. So I had I was down

535
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: to like my ninth running back, and I went with

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Speaker 1: Washington's running back who was scheduled to be the starter

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Speaker 1: at the And I also had the Washington running back

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Speaker 1: that was scheduled to be out, and they flip flopped

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00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: him like right at game time. So the guy that

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00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: I started was out. The guy that I had on

541
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Speaker 1: my bench got twenty two points and I ended up

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Speaker 1: losing last night by the final catch of the game

543
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: for Pits. For the Falcons, I lost by one them

544
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: the way the cookie crumbles. So I was watching the

545
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: Pacer game last night. There was a play late in

546
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: the third quarter Houston rotated over Kevin Durant to the

547
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: top and Durant took a three point shot, and literally

548
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: there was zero rotation or effort from Indiana defensively. And

549
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: I noticed that Chris and Quinn commented that they thought

550
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: Rick Carlyle was protesting a non foul call on the

551
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Speaker 1: previous play, and I think Carlile was actually yelling at

552
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: his defense or his roster about the lack of defense

553
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: on the floor on that rotation. I mean literally, no

554
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: one even came out on Durant. And as I was

555
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Speaker 1: watching it, I realized this epiphanal concern that I have On.

556
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Speaker 3: The radio side of things. Eddie Gille was just like,

557
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 3: he literally goes, what in the world You're leaving the

558
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 3: best player on the floor, one of the greatest players

559
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Speaker 3: you know the game has ever seen.

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Speaker 1: Just wide open, wide open. I mean why, literally it

561
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Speaker 1: was almost like everyone it was it looked like everyone

562
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Speaker 1: did those you know, those drills you do at a

563
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Speaker 1: baseball game with I don't know if they do this anymore,

564
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Speaker 1: where they bring like three people out of the stands

565
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: and you've got to circle around the whiffleball bat, yes,

566
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Speaker 1: for thirty seconds, and then run to second base or whatever.

567
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Speaker 1: When they stop the music, everybody stops for a second

568
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: to get their bearings. That's what everyone defensively looked like.

569
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Speaker 1: They were just standing there looking around. It was bizarre.

570
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Speaker 1: And my one area of concern is this the I

571
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: oftentimes equate what happens to one franchise in town as

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Speaker 1: a learning or teaching moment for another. For example, Daniel

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00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: Jones Alec Pierce. We just assume that Daniel Jones will

574
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: be back next year, because who is going to want

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Speaker 1: a quarterback with a history of injury anyway that has

576
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: the Achilles injury and was you know, maybe showing a

577
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 1: little bit of not a regression, but showing that coming

578
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: down to earth a little bit at the time he

579
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Speaker 1: got hurt. Well, maybe Minnesota says, you know what, and

580
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: guess who their assistant GM is, Ryan Grigson. Maybe Minnesota says,

581
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Speaker 1: you know what, let's go back to that. We've seen

582
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Speaker 1: enough of JJ McCarthy, Daniel Jones, you're familiar with our

583
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Speaker 1: medical staff. That's the other place you might feel at home.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they maybe I'm not saying probable, but possible or

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Speaker 1: Alec Pierce. Could it be that Alec Pierce ends up

586
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Speaker 1: elsewhere because at the eleventh hour Alec Pierce or Daniel

587
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: Jones signed with somebody else without eating even really giving

588
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: the Colts the opportunity to match. We've seen that happen

589
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 1: in this town, right in terms of a player suddenly

590
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: coming up in free agency like, well, wait a minute,

591
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: what But what I thought about last night when I

592
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: saw that play and that breakdown defensively, was this one

593
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: of the guys that looked exasperated, one of the guys

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Speaker 1: that looked completely like at the end of his wits

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00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: with that was Pascal Siakim. And when the Pacers were

596
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Speaker 1: in the situation after making the trade of deciding whether

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00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: or not to max contract long term, Pascal Siakam, I

598
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: was one of them that said on these airwaves on

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Speaker 1: numerous occasion, I don't know that I would do it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that I would give a max contract

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00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 1: to Pascal Siakam because I worry that by the end

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00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,919
Speaker 1: of the contract, you're going to be trying to get

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00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: out of it because of the age. And we see

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00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: what happens when guys then are getting overpaid and they

605
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: become like trade deadline, you know, salary cap cutting moves.

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Speaker 1: And I could not have been more wrong. I could

607
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: not have been more wrong, because Pascal Siakam has been

608
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: everything and has delivered everything that you would ever want

609
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: out of that contract and more. Just last year's playoff

610
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: run alone, did it made it worth it right there?

611
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: It was everything about it was awesome and I was

612
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: there for every moment of it. Last night, I was

613
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 1: sitting there two forty eight in the morning look it

614
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: through my phone and I was looking at the photos

615
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: and everything and videos that I had from that playoff run,

616
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: and it's like, it's just now sinking in that finals run.

617
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: It was awesome. But I harkened back to when I

618
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: was waiting for the like everybody else in this town,

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Speaker 1: the announcement that the Indianapolis Colts were going to draft

620
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: Ricky Williams, and everyone was like, who is Edgar and James?

621
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Speaker 1: What it's Edrin James? Who is that guy? He had

622
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: one good game against UCLA right for Miami, and at

623
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: that time, in that moment, everyone was still shell shocked

624
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: from the fact that Marshall Falk had been traded and

625
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: so Marshall Fulk gets traded in and it's like, Okay, well,

626
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 1: I guess it's because they're going to get Ricky Williams.

627
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: But instead they go with Edrin James, who was a

628
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: little bit younger than Ricky Williams, even though they were

629
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: coming out at the same time. And that was all

630
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 1: because Bill Pullian, in his brilliance, went with making sure

631
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: that Peyton Manning had his running back, had his key receiver,

632
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: had his tight end, had all of his player You know,

633
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: you go away from Ken Doger and you draft Dallas

634
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: Clark and you have Marvin Harrison, but you go ahead

635
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: and you also draft Reggie Wayne, and you're making sure

636
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: that all of these timelines are at the same time

637
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: and every player is peaking simultaneously in their career. And

638
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: when the Pacers had that option of what to do

639
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: with Pascal Siakam, the age variation with Pascal Siakam and

640
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: the timeline not being aligned with the rest of that

641
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: core group of Pacer players was offset by the fact

642
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: that Siakam was a young version of what he was

643
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 1: because he had not played extended long minutes in Toronto.

644
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: If you remember, you know, it was like, no, you

645
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: got to understand he doesn't have in Toronto. He was

646
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: not playing the number of minutes on the floor night

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Speaker 1: in and night out, especially earlier in his tenure. So

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Speaker 1: even though he is a little bit older than Halliburton

649
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: and older than Top and an older than Nie Smith

650
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: and older than Nimhard, he is a younger variation of

651
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: what he is because he has not been playing year

652
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: round basketball through the ringer every minute a La Durant

653
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: or Lebron or whatever. And that was true, and last

654
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: year used to it was awesome. But what I worry

655
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: about now is as you're going through this year the

656
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: guy that seemingly is logging every minute as Pascal Siakam,

657
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: and he's doing it playing from behind and putting his

658
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: effort every single night out there to not get results.

659
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 1: And how much does that begin to physically and psychologically

660
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: catch him up to organically what his age is, and

661
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 1: does that offset now and shrink the window of time

662
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: that you have him in peak to go along with

663
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: the recovering Haliburton, a recovering toppin and a backend flow

664
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Speaker 1: Nie Smith and Nimhart. That's my one thing of concern.

665
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: Scott Agnes can talk about that and more with us

666
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: and what exactly this means in terms of the depths

667
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: now that the pacers have had to go through and

668
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: is there light at the end of the tunnel for them.

669
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Speaker 1: We'll get into that conversation at about fifteen hedy, I

670
00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: guess we technically have time, meaning tomorrow still to come

671
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Speaker 1: up with this answer. Maybe we will revise it a

672
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Speaker 1: little bit.

673
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Speaker 3: You don't have to do it without me. I won't

674
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Speaker 3: be here tomorrow.

675
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: Okay. Who will be in for you tomorrow?

676
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 3: That's a good question. Are you doing the pacer again tomorrow?

677
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 3: I am doing the Pacergain tomorrow.

678
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Speaker 1: You couldn't come in a couple hours early.

679
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 3: I could have.

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00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: Okay.

681
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Speaker 4: Uh.

682
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Speaker 3: Otticus is in tomorrow.

683
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Speaker 1: Okay, So I can ask Atticus this question tomorrow as well,

684
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Speaker 1: but I will ask you today. What is the when

685
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Speaker 1: you look back on twenty twenty five, either personally or

686
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: so In other words, if I say professional, I mean

687
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Speaker 1: like within the sports world or for you personally, you

688
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: know something that took place. What's the top thing that

689
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: happened to you in twenty twenty five.

690
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 3: That's a good question.

691
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Speaker 1: What's your favorite memory of twenty twenty five?

692
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 4: Mm?

693
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 3: Probably the Pacers NBA Finals run.

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Speaker 1: Almost impossible to argue that, right, Yeah, you know what,

695
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I think for a lot

696
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: of people, this would be a great Twitter pool.

697
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Speaker 3: I could do.

698
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: Bigger surprise of twenty twenty five and he had a

699
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: football or Pacers?

700
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 3: Probably IU football.

701
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, not bigger surprise, I guess, but the one that

702
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: brought you more.

703
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 3: Joy probably IU football still.

704
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: Over the you think so, well.

705
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 3: The Pacers had some success in the year prior to

706
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 3: the IU football, I'd never.

707
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: Had any again, I'm gonna I want to go back

708
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: to not necessarily not necessarily surprise, but the one that

709
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: brought that was a more fun Maybe the Pacers, you

710
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: would say, was the more fun run because the NBA

711
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: playoffs provides itself for more high intense moments, right, I

712
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: mean the playoffs alone. They had to win what they

713
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: went in? Fifteen playoff games, you know what I mean?

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00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, sixteen somewhere around there, well.

715
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: Fifteen right, four in the first three rounds and then

716
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: three in the last round, Is that right?

717
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 3: Yeah?

718
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: So and there were some I mean there were just

719
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: it was amazing. It really was like when you look back,

720
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: I think that sometimes I think, and I try not

721
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: to do this, but I think sometimes we get too

722
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: caught up in living in the moment and not stopping

723
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: to just look. You know, like Paris Builder said the

724
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: best right, life moves pretty fast. Sometimes you got to

725
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: stop and look around. And I think that finals run.

726
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: It's only now that you look back and you're like,

727
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: that really did happen? And that's probably you know, I'm

728
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: a late I've always been a slow learner. So six

729
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 1: months months from now, I'll totally be embraced by everything

730
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: that's taken place with IU. But I do think, and

731
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: this is probably a polarizing take, but I feel like

732
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: the Pacers getting so close to the NBA title was

733
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 1: almost more emotional for a lot of people because there

734
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: are a ton of people that have always wanted to

735
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: see IU football do well. But it doesn't mean that

736
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: they were like die hard in the wool, crying in

737
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: their beer fans. Does that make sense? Like can you

738
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: be a long suffering fan if you were never necessary?

739
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 2: I mean, bless you? Did you sneeze or shack cough. Okay,

740
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 2: bless you.

741
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: I you know, I know so many people and it's

742
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: it's awesome. Don't get me wrong, but they're like, oh,

743
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: I've been a huge IU football fan for fifteen years.

744
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: Every game, I'm like, how many of them do you

745
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: go into? Well, we got on tailgate, you know. I

746
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: mean if you stopped, if you stopped people that were

747
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: going into the Rose Bowl right now and said, okay, quick,

748
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 1: name the last quarterback that have started games for both

749
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: Indiana and Notre Dame, how many of them are going

750
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: to be like, oh, yeah, Matt Levechio.

751
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 3: I can't.

752
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: I don't mean that as a as a knock in

753
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: any I mean, Indiana didn't give them much reason to

754
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: outwardly be an IU football fan. You get what I'm saying.

755
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:41,720
Speaker 1: But I think the Indiana story is one that is awesome,

756
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 1: But I don't know that it's one that people felt

757
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: relieved by. They felt emotional, but they didn't feel you know, validated,

758
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: because it wasn't like they were I mean, I think

759
00:44:55,239 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: there were there are people that with the Pacers that

760
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: have spent a lot of money and a lot of

761
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: investment and a lot of time with that team that

762
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: just assumed that that was never a possibility, and the

763
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: way it ended for the basers also kind of adds

764
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 1: to the whole story of just like what a miracle

765
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: all of it was. Now, are you going out tonight

766
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: in celebrating New Year's Eve? Eve time one on?

767
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 2: I am not no, I am not you just playing doctor, huh,

768
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: I'm playing doctor. You just had an extra sick day

769
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 2: to burn, and so you said it's the last day

770
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 2: of the year.

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00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: I'm out.

772
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much.

773
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Speaker 1: We have a shortened show tomorrow, by the way, off

774
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: at two thirty for the Pacers pregame, right, that is correct, yes,

775
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: and so then J and B will be off tomorrow again.

776
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 1: It is tonight at seven o'clock a special edition of

777
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: Inside Indiana Football.

778
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 3: Correct, yep, seven oh five.

779
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 2: Don Fischer, I'll have a coach Kirk Signetti on there,

780
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 2: Aden Fisher, I think we'll make an appearance and a

781
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: couple other players from the IU fot team.

782
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 1: The I saw Mendoza or you know, it's media time

783
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: basically out there for the Rose Bowl for end of

784
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: Mendoza spoke today. We had a lot of interesting comments

785
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: coming in from college basketball standpoint, speaking of media stuff

786
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: of which we will get to coming up in just

787
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: a bit. Matt Painter. Last night, more and more coaches

788
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 1: are now talking about this non stop. I mean literally,

789
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: it feels like this avalanche of change that's taking place

790
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: with college basketball and this fear that it's going to

791
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: become this semi pro league, which it kind of already is.

792
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: We'll get into that in just a little bit. But

793
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: when we come back, he is the Fieldhouse files. We

794
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: can talk about last night what happened? Who in the

795
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: world was going to guard Kevin Garden or Kevin Garnett,

796
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant and what in the world happened? They literally

797
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: they look like Kevin Garnett out there, you know what

798
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: I mean, Like ten years retired Kevin Durant last night

799
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: hit a shot wide open and the pacers. Is that

800
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: a sign of where they are? Scott Agnes to discuss next.

801
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: You know, there was a time where I actually thought

802
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: that this might have been John Mellencamp's John Cougar, John Cougar, Mellencamp,

803
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: whichever we want to look at it. There was a

804
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Speaker 1: time where I thought this might have been his signature song.

805
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: And obviously, obviously that is not even remotely in the

806
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: conversation now, because his signature song for John Mellencamp undoubtedly.

807
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Speaker 3: Is what Eddie, Jack and Diane.

808
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got to be right or small town, small

809
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: Town's up there, just because of the mantra of it, right,

810
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: But that was kind of his first breakthrough hit. Hurt

811
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: so good right there with Jack and Diane off of

812
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: American Fool, Great album. I would also like to let

813
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: you know Eddie that randomly, yesterday I was researching something,

814
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: saw a stat and literally, I mean blew my mind.

815
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: I have what I believe to be the greatest trivia

816
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: question regarding the NFL of all time, and it is

817
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: so good that yesterday I asked Scottie Johnston. I asked

818
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: Scotti Johnston. This trivia question for those who don't know

819
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 1: Scotty Johnston is he's the copier guy of this place,

820
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: the brains and the muscle and everything behind the operation

821
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Speaker 1: that is the fan in WBC and Scotty. Not only

822
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: did Scotty not come up with the answer, he went

823
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: through all of the possible correct answers and it was

824
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Speaker 1: the last one and he still didn't know it the last.

825
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 1: But it's the greatest NFL trivia question of all time,

826
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Speaker 1: and I'm going to save it for some time, and

827
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: we have something to give away on this program. But

828
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Speaker 1: I have a great Pacer trivia question as well, which

829
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 1: I will allow you Eddie Garrison, to go up against

830
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: Scott Agnes of Fieldhouse Files to see which of the

831
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Speaker 1: two of you has the prowess to answer it correctly.

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00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: Oh boy, Scott from Fieldhouse Files joins us now in

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Speaker 1: the Java House Peel and port guest line. Java house

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Speaker 1: dot com is the website Jake twenty five the code

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Speaker 1: for twenty five percent off and you can get the

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Speaker 1: bundle of peeling por pods. It is so simple. You

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Speaker 1: peel and put them an eight ounces of water, instant beverage,

838
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Speaker 1: the amazingly smooth Colombian, the Wrangler Energy and the Liquid

839
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Speaker 1: Science hydration beverages, all available in bundle form. Just use

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Speaker 1: the fan in the search bar when you go to

841
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Speaker 1: Java house dot com to see what I'm talking about.

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00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: All right, Scott, are you ready for the trivia question

843
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 1: regarding the Pacers that I can ask to both you

844
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: and Eddie and you have to not think about it.

845
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: Give me your instinctive off the top of your head

846
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: answer and see which the two of you is closer.

847
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: Are you ready?

848
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's do it.

849
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 4: And by the way, Sunday, I'm stopped by the.

850
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 5: Broad ripple location of Java House.

851
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: I was there too. What time were you there?

852
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 5: Six o'clock baby, okay, right before closed. It was a

853
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 5: fourth ord actually.

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00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: Okay, it's a great location, by the way. Okay, and

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00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: thank you for going in there. Eddie, here you go.

856
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: Would you like to guess first or second on this?

857
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna do this card Sharks fashion, do you guys?

858
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 1: Either one of you guys remember the show Card Sharks,

859
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: not me? Okay. In Card Sharks, they would present a

860
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 1: scenario and the first person has to give a number,

861
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Speaker 1: and then the second person says whether they think that

862
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: number is higher or lower? Okay, the answer is higher

863
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: or lower. So Scott, I will let you go first

864
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Speaker 1: with this. You cannot think about it. I need instinctive,

865
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: off the top of your head, gut reaction answer. Okay.

866
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: Tell me the number of players that have scored a

867
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: point in the NBA this year, representing the Indiana Pacers.

868
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 3: Go twenty one, Eddie, twenty six, Eddie.

869
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: In Card Sharks fashion, you have to say, well, gosh,

870
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: twenty one is a good guess, and then you have

871
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: to give your rationale and then say, but I think

872
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: that number is going to be higher.

873
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 2: So sorry your explanation please, Eddie, I'm just taking a guess.

874
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: The correct answer, Eddie Garrison is your winner. Twenty four

875
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: players have scored for the Pacers this year. Twenty four players.

876
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 2: Wait, we're not doing prices right style. So I was over,

877
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 2: so card shark style.

878
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: You are correct, as you said over Okay, so price

879
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: is right style. Scott wins twenty four players. Scott, the

880
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: reason I bring that up? At what point do we

881
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: enter into the category when you used to? And I

882
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: realized not all these guys are around, right, I mean

883
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: Mac McClung, you know, short lived, Ray j Dennis no

884
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: longer around, Jeremiah Robinson, earl no longer around, you know,

885
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: But the number of players that are there, At what

886
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 1: point do the Pacers say, and in particular for a

887
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: Pascal Siakam, we've got to start now going back into

888
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: preservation mode and getting making sure that we're not wearing

889
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: anyone out. Because Pascal Siakam I worry about. Tell me

890
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: why I'm wrong.

891
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you now, Jake, if you remember about

892
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 4: a month ago. I think we had a similar I said, hey,

893
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 4: we got to see them after.

894
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 5: The NBA Cup. Let's see what they look like through

895
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 5: the rest of this year. Then we can make a determination.

896
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 4: A lot of fans already calling for taking a lot

897
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 4: of fans calling and enjoying these wins, which is I

898
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 4: never can get involved with that and engage with that.

899
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 4: But I think you are at the point. To your

900
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 4: exact point here is you realize, all right, this season,

901
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 4: for its original purpose to get back to the NBA Finals,

902
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 4: it's not in the cards here. So you have to

903
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 4: have that long term vision so that you can restart

904
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 4: things next season and pick up where you left off

905
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 4: and not have more injuries and compounding and things.

906
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 5: And Siakam, you're.

907
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 4: Absolutely right, And you can tell he's going through a rut,

908
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:47,720
Speaker 4: both physically but more so mentally, like this losing streak,

909
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,919
Speaker 4: in the constant demands of him and players not being

910
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 4: in the right positions. That's just all confounded him. And

911
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 4: I think he's also at the point where he is

912
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 4: just fried. I almost think he should go on that

913
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 4: Lebron James uh mysterious three week vacation back to Miami

914
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 4: and then suddenly returned because I think his body deserves it.

915
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: I mean, Scott honestly, And I mentioned this earlier, and

916
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: let's dive a little deeper into this aspect of it

917
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: with Siakam. And I can't remember the exact you know,

918
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: like wordage that was used or the explanation thereof, but

919
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: when Siakam was acquired by Indiana, you know, one of

920
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:30,760
Speaker 1: the selling points about him, which turned out to be right, was, hey, listen,

921
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: just because he's a veteran player, he is not law.

922
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: He doesn't come with the mileage on him out of

923
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: Toronto with year round basketball and deep runs annually and

924
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: et cetera that a Durant or a Lebron or you know,

925
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 1: or even like a Paul George have had, right, and

926
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: so you were getting a slightly younger version of his age,

927
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: if you will. My worry is that this year is

928
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: going to eradicate all of that advantage on the back

929
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: end of his contract. Now my way overthinking this.

930
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 5: No, I think it's fair.

931
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 4: I think you're more worried though, Jake, and the big

932
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 4: picture of where he's at mentally in terms of this

933
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 4: situation and being part of it, and how much urgency,

934
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 4: does he have to maximize the rest of his career,

935
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 4: and also to show in good faith that you're putting

936
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:21,720
Speaker 4: a group around him that's given him.

937
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 5: A chance every single night.

938
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 4: I think there are all those factors that you are

939
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 4: concerned with, but to me, it starts with that engagement,

940
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 4: that comfort level that when you go out there, you

941
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 4: legitimately have a chance to win every single night. I

942
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 4: don't think they felt that way here in the last

943
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 4: couple of weeks.

944
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: Do you think last night there was a play Scott,

945
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about it earlier. I think it

946
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: was third quarter, maybe late third quarter. They rotated the

947
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,479
Speaker 1: ball over did Houston to the top of the key

948
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: and Durant has a wide open three. And when I

949
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: say wide open three, it didn't have to be. But

950
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: I think even Duract my aunt was surprised at the

951
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:06,399
Speaker 1: literally five players for Indiana that didn't even come out

952
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: beyond the free throw line extended and just stood and watched,

953
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: and it looked like five guys that were like, man,

954
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: we are so over this. And the middle of that

955
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 1: group was Siakam. I mean when I say in the middle,

956
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: I mean like physically speaking, he was on the floor,

957
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: and he happened to me in the middle. But that's

958
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 1: what that was the first time that I began to

959
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: truly wonder if this was not the emotional toll on

960
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: Siakam that we have feared. But he has to know

961
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: going into it what the reality is, does he not?

962
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 1: Because there's no toping niece, Smiths been out, you know,

963
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: nim Hart was out at the beginning, No Halliburton. You know,

964
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 1: he had to know going into it what this year

965
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: was going to look like, did he not?

966
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 5: Yes? But nobody thought it was looking like this, Jake,

967
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:51,240
Speaker 5: not no one.

968
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: I mean myself included to be fair, Yes, No, you know.

969
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 4: If they were sitting here and they were the Charlotte Hornets,

970
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,439
Speaker 4: they'd eleven and twenty one.

971
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 5: They've lost just one game in a row.

972
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:05,280
Speaker 4: There's you know, on the road, they're four and twelve.

973
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 5: That's reasonable.

974
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 4: But to be at this point where you have it

975
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 4: one in three weeks, you've won one road game the

976
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 4: entire season, that you have the worst record in the league. No,

977
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 4: I'd be lying to you if I thought that. I

978
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 4: thought they'd probably be twenty seconds something like that in

979
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 4: the standings, especially as the injuries kept piling up here.

980
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 4: But yeah, that picture or that play rather that you

981
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 4: described there. I think all of us that were watching

982
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 4: can play it back in our minds because it was

983
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 4: the epitome of what we've seen throughout this month, in particular,

984
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 4: where I do not think it was guys giving up

985
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 4: or just casually going through anything. I think it was

986
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,240
Speaker 4: a group that didn't have a ton of time together,

987
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 4: some players in the wrong position, some holding their ground

988
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 4: to where they think they should be, and it was

989
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 4: just a bunch of confusion. And the result is you

990
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 4: allow a Hall of Famer, one of the best to

991
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 4: ever do it, have as open of a shot as

992
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 4: he's ever gonna see. There wasn't anybody within five feet

993
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 4: of him, which is even more confounding. With that you

994
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 4: leave everybody else to go get Durant, especially when.

995
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 5: He was the leading scorer in the game.

996
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: Are we getting a little of the helium aspect here?

997
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 3: Eddie?

998
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: By the way, do we need to get Scott to

999
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: do when he's Scott? We've already got you doing the

1000
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 1: lollipop guild stuff, right.

1001
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 5: I thought we fixed this.

1002
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 1: It comes and goes. We have a helium tank that

1003
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: sits you know here. Now it's not part of the

1004
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: Java House guest line. I should say that, right, but

1005
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: you know occasionally it fires up Scott the I want

1006
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: to get back to one other thing, and that is,

1007
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: and I know that this is probably broken record stuff

1008
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: matherin Jeris Walker. Is there anything more that we can

1009
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: see here? Or do we now have pretty definitive idea

1010
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,959
Speaker 1: as to who they are? And does that now maybe

1011
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: even take a back seat to other players that we

1012
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: want to see what they can do a lah for

1013
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: example Cam Jones, who's now going to get his opportunity.

1014
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think one thing with benefitic Mather, and you

1015
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 4: got to recognize it. He's laying it out there, even

1016
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 4: though he's not feeling angry. He's not one hundred percent.

1017
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 4: He's not just dealing Jake with one injury, but quietly.

1018
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 5: Dealing with two.

1019
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 4: He's got that turf toe and then he's also got

1020
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 4: a spring right some in his shooting hand. And so

1021
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 4: I can factor all of that in when considering his

1022
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 4: current situation, and I think he's done a nice.

1023
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 5: Job here as a whole. In different games.

1024
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,439
Speaker 4: You want more consistent scoring, You want him to be

1025
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 4: have that engagement. Yes, the points are not as quite

1026
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 4: as high as maybe you would have hoped he's more

1027
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 4: like thirteen fourteen the last several weeks and not the

1028
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 4: twenty in a row twenty points per game like he

1029
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 4: started the season. In terms of like a Jared Walker,

1030
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,439
Speaker 4: I think there's a lot more he can show. He's

1031
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 4: just overthinking everything, is how I simplify it with him,

1032
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 4: Like the moment's too big at this moment.

1033
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 5: I like, I want to see more Furfy.

1034
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 4: I wouldn't mind seeing more Cam Jones, But more than anything,

1035
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 4: I think it's important to make sure all these guys

1036
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 4: are healthy and not have them, you know, forcing anything

1037
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 4: out there or whatever. Trying to have the big picture

1038
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 4: in mind here. It's good to the Sierraonnie smith back,

1039
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 4: You're on the verge of seeing Ben Shephard, I think return.

1040
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 4: It was notable that he was upgraded to questionable and

1041
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 4: then downgraded into out, So that's the jets that he

1042
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 4: went through shoot around. Wasn't quite feeling good enough to return.

1043
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 4: But he's on the doorstep and that's encouraging.

1044
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 2: Scott to kind of go back to the trivia question

1045
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 2: to start the conversation. As Chick noted, twenty four different

1046
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 2: players have scored for the Pacers this year. I think

1047
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 2: they have had twenty six total players on the roster

1048
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 2: at various points throughout the season. What kind of message

1049
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 2: does that sendo the locker room When you are a

1050
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,439
Speaker 2: team that just went to the NBA Finals, you felt

1051
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 2: like going into the season you could still squeak into

1052
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 2: the playoffs, and now it seems like, you know, the

1053
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 2: front office or the coaching staff is kind of just

1054
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 2: bringing in a fresh body every other week to kind

1055
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 2: of fill out that last roster spot.

1056
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 4: To me, it shows, hey, this front office is still trying.

1057
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 4: They haven't given up and pulled the plug on this

1058
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 4: season at all because they're not bringing in players just

1059
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 4: because the other guys haven't worked or whatever, or you know,

1060
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 4: they've had these different injuries that have piled up and

1061
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 4: they're trying to find the right combinations. At one point

1062
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 4: they were down forwards. Then they needed guards and ball handlers.

1063
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 4: Most recently it's been centers and so sure they could

1064
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 4: have kept running back James Wiseman, but he was not productive.

1065
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 4: He was not doing the things they wanted out on

1066
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 4: the court. He did not have that basketball IQ that

1067
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 4: would lead to the place like we've often seen here

1068
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 4: recently like Kevin Durant getting the open shot. So if

1069
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 4: I'm a player, I'm seeing the commitment thus far from

1070
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 4: the Pacers that they're not giving up on the season.

1071
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 4: They're trying to find guys out there. The reality is

1072
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 4: there's a reason those players are available in the first place,

1073
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 4: two months here into the season. And so yeah, the

1074
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 4: challenge with it going into this year is we knew

1075
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 4: that Tyrees wouldn't play, but that would that's not an excuse.

1076
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 5: For not getting back to the playoffs.

1077
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 4: But then it just felt like all these injuries filled

1078
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 4: over that at some point there was about nine or

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Speaker 4: ten different guys on the injury report, four different emergency

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Speaker 4: hardship contracts. That's where we had to reset expectations. But no,

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Speaker 4: we did not expect the six win type season here

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Speaker 4: closing out twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Scott Agus is our guest Java House Peelingport guest line

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Speaker 1: before we let you go, Scott Fieldhouse Files where you

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Speaker 1: can read his work. By the way, one guy that

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Speaker 1: I'm curious about because I believe I'm correct in this,

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Speaker 1: I believe if it's not the first, it was very

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Speaker 1: close to the first in terms of the Pacers home game.

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Speaker 1: The first at least within the first group of substitutes

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Speaker 1: at that time, was Taylor Peter, their rookie draft pick.

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Speaker 1: We have not seen a lot of him since. What

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Speaker 1: was the I guess what has been the reasoning for that?

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01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: Is that sim strictly a numbers game or was there

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Speaker 1: something they did or did not see early on? And

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Speaker 1: obviously I know that he's a two way player.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's strictly numbers game, is how I view that, Jacob.

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Speaker 4: You mean back then you had no TJ. McConnell, no

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01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:08,479
Speaker 4: Quintin Jackson. I'll obviously Haliburton was out and Smith was out,

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Speaker 4: so you had so many guys missing time that you

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Speaker 4: just kept going down the list of two way guys.

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Speaker 4: And Ethan Thompson's been the one that's been contributing the

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Speaker 4: most among.

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01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 5: Those two way guys. But Quentin Jackson is.

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Speaker 4: Ahead of Taylor, and so I think a large part

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Speaker 4: that's that's the reason why he's been out of the rotation.

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Speaker 1: Here.

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Speaker 5: You're good at that position. You've needed bodies at center

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Speaker 5: and on the wing spot.

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Speaker 1: All right, Scott, appreciate the time as always. Happy New

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01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: Year to.

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Speaker 5: You, all right, absolutely, Happy New Year to you.

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Speaker 3: Guys enjoyed Pasadena.

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Speaker 5: You know, I well appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Take an umbrella. I'm telling you, Scott. By the way, Scott,

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01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: have you been to the Rose Bow before?

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01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 5: No, this is the first time for all of that experience.

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Speaker 1: Take a seat, cushion and an umbrella. But it's awesome,

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Speaker 1: and try to bring home a win for Indiana, certainly

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Speaker 1: Indiana Alabama. Scott, one of the nine hundred and forty

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Speaker 1: six thousand Hoosiers that are going to be in Pasadena.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, like they I haven't seen this many

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Speaker 1: people in Pasadena from Indiana since Guns n' Roses were

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Speaker 1: playing there. It's literally although last year I guess when

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Speaker 1: Indiana played UCLA because nobody thought that they would have

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Speaker 1: the chance to go back to the Rose Bowl. I mean,

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01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 1: whoever would have guessed. But speaking of college athletics last night,

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Speaker 1: and we talked about this yesterday, this is literally, objects

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Speaker 1: in the mirror are closer than they appear. This is

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01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 1: not in the mirror because it's something you passed. It's

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Speaker 1: in the mirror meaning it's in that lane that's coming

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Speaker 1: very very quickly, and I don't know what comes of it.

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Speaker 1: I don't, but I do know that the way that

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01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 1: the system is currently set up is likely not going

1134
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: to stay the same. Now I'm old enough to remember

1135
01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 1: vividly remember when Indiana was getting ready to play Kentucky,

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01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: and it was a huge deal when all of a sudden,

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01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: the Hoosier State was like rocked by the shocking news

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Speaker 1: of alleged scandal. Steve Alford, the All American Boy, Indiana

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01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: Mister Basketball, Olympic gold medalist, Fellowship of Christian Athletes, I mean,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I mean, great, great, great, beloved player

1141
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 1: and literally my biggest sports hero of my childhood. I

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01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: can tell you, I believe, believe you me. I can

1143
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Speaker 1: go on and on and on. Twenty four hundred and

1144
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: thirty eight career points. I know his birthday for crying

1145
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 1: out loud, he called me out my birthday in the

1146
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: eighth grade. I mean, you name it. But to find

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01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 1: out that Steve Alford would not be eligible to play

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01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 1: in Indiana's game against Kentucky because he had posed in

1149
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: a calendar for a sorority at Indiana that I believe

1150
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 1: the money was going towards the March of Dimes. I

1151
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: think that was the charity. But he was the February

1152
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: I believe it was February cover boy of the calendar

1153
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 1: and a sport coat sitting on a basketball floor with

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01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: a basketball on his knee, and the NCAA deemed that

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01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: to be ineligible because he was part of something that

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01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 1: was of financial gain. And there was an irony as

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01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 1: well in the fact that the game in which he

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01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: was ineligible was against Kentucky, because Kentucky had had point

1159
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 1: shaving scandals and Adolph Rupp had all kinds of allegations

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Speaker 1: against him. And then, of course Kentucky was four years

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01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 1: away from the Emery Air freight package scandal with Chris

1162
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: Mills and Eric Manuel and fraudulent SAT scores and Sean

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01:05:56,160 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 1: Kemp and everything that went to Kentucky darn getting the

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Speaker 1: death penalty, and most of what I just mentioned, by

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01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: today's standards wouldn't you wouldn't even bat an eye. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not sitting here saying that that's that it needed

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01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 1: to be back in the days of the Steve Alford

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Speaker 1: calendar stuff. But we've gone from in when the Ed

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01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: O'Bannon and Charles O'Bannon lawsuit took place against EA Sports,

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Speaker 1: and the entire thing about name, image and likeness, and

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01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: for those unfamiliar, this all began. This trace is all

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Speaker 1: the way back thirty years ago. In nineteen ninety five,

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Speaker 1: UCLA wins the National Championship. Ed O'Bannon was a fabulous player.

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01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 1: His little brother Charles was on the team as well,

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01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 1: tyas Edney Cameron Dollar, really good team. Jim Herrick's the coach,

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Speaker 1: and very shortly thereafter, Ed O'Bannon's playing in the NBA

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Speaker 1: for the New Jersey Nets. I think at the time

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Speaker 1: he was kind of a journeyman after a while, but

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01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 1: he notices that a video game comes out with college

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01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 1: basketball on it, and it has all of the schools

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01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 1: and it's very clear, very clear who they've patterned the play,

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01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 1: the look, the skin tone, all of it for each

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01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 1: player on the roster. And Ed O'Bannon is saying, that's me.

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Speaker 1: Everyone playing this game knows they're playing with Ed O'Bannon

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Speaker 1: on the low block, and I'm getting nothing out of

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01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 1: this multi billion dollar game and company. So he filed

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01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 1: a lawsuit claiming that he and his brother Charles should

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01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 1: be paid for their name, their image, and their likeness.

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Speaker 1: And it went back and forth in courts forever and Eventually,

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Speaker 1: within the last handful of years, the I believe Supreme

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01:07:55,040 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 1: Court ruled in favor of student athletes that they can

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Speaker 1: be compensated for their name, their image, and their likeness.

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Speaker 1: And initially everybody said, yeah, this is the way it

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01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 1: should be, and this is the way it should be.

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Speaker 1: A guy that's playing basketball for Indiana or Arkansas or

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Speaker 1: Kent State or Arizona State or UTEP, they should be

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Speaker 1: able to do and add for the local sandwich shop

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Speaker 1: and get themselves a little spending money to take their

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Speaker 1: girlfriend of the movies on the weekends. Absolutely, they should

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Speaker 1: be able to do that. If they want to put

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Speaker 1: somebody's name, image and likeness on, you know, if you

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Speaker 1: want to get the local radio station in where State

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01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 1: university is and have their star point guard come on

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01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 1: and say his ten favorite songs every Tuesday night and

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Speaker 1: slide him two hundred bucks for his name. Yeah, absolutely.

1206
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 1: But the university saw it differently, and they said, well,

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Speaker 1: this is going to be the wild, wild West, and

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01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:01,600
Speaker 1: there appears to be no limitation to this. This is

1209
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 1: literally like when you get to Montana and it says

1210
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 1: speed limit reasonable and prudent. Well, that's one guy's reasonable

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01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 1: and prudent as another guy's autumn, so there was no

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01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:19,919
Speaker 1: real cap on what this meant, and the universities immediately

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01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 1: and Indiana was one of the first and smartest to

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Speaker 1: do this. And I've mentioned this before. Indiana had booster

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01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:34,599
Speaker 1: groups or podcast guys that were running like fantasy camps

1216
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 1: where you could go down and play on the assembly

1217
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: hall floor and pay a certain amount of money, and

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01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:42,599
Speaker 1: that money was going to go towards the quote unquote

1219
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:45,799
Speaker 1: like collective to help with name, image, likeness, and everybody

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01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 1: knew what that meant. It meant that it was going

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01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 1: into a piggy bank where when a big time recruit

1222
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 1: wanted to play in Indiana but he was also being

1223
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 1: recruited by three other schools, Indiana could say, hey, if

1224
01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 1: you come here, we can't directly pay you, but we

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01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 1: can facilitate it where your name, image and likeness is

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01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 1: being compensated by something you're doing and we have this

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01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 1: other group of people here that are going to be

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01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 1: able to get you that money. And Indiana did that.

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01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:15,680
Speaker 1: But at the same time, Indiana was already waiting for

1230
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 1: the day when it was going to be cleared that

1231
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 1: the schools themselves could create what was called a collective

1232
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 1: where they could do it, and Indiana had that, and

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01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 1: that's why Indiana then kind of no longer had need

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01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:30,759
Speaker 1: for like podcast guys that were running fantasy camps because

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01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:34,640
Speaker 1: Indiana's like, we're good, we have our own internal collective

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Speaker 1: that is putting together this funding. So that was like

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01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:44,520
Speaker 1: phase two of this restoration rebuild project of college basketball

1238
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 1: as we know it today. And then you got into

1239
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:53,760
Speaker 1: phase three. Those top two things you kind of could

1240
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 1: keep a corral on, but when you get into phase three,

1241
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 1: then it becomes much more murky. And that becomes if

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01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 1: you are in fact giving players compensation for their name,

1243
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 1: image and likeness, then what stops you from going out

1244
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:16,640
Speaker 1: and getting players who have already been compensated elsewhere? And

1245
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:21,599
Speaker 1: it started with one player that was signed by Baylor

1246
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 1: who was drafted into the NBA but has yet to

1247
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:27,600
Speaker 1: play a game. And then the report that there is

1248
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 1: a player in the G League currently that is being

1249
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 1: talked to after having scored in an NBA game on

1250
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 1: a two way deal, and another G League player that

1251
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:42,680
Speaker 1: has gone back into college, And now every coach is

1252
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 1: talking about it because they all fear the same thing.

1253
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 1: And I'm going to let you hear from what one

1254
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:52,200
Speaker 1: of the most trusted and scrupulous in college basketball had

1255
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:54,520
Speaker 1: to say about it, and we'll do it next.

1256
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Speaker 2: You.

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01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 1: Literally, right now, it is difficult to go on social

1258
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 1: media or any of the different news sources right here

1259
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 1: being one of them. And I appreciate everybody that tunes

1260
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 1: into this program. With all the options that are out there,

1261
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 1: it is difficult to enter into the arena of discussion

1262
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 1: about college athletics without hearing the conversation of all of

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01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 1: this happening with college basketball. And I think the thing

1264
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 1: that makes it so interesting and at the same time frustrating,

1265
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 1: it's almost like the movie pulp fiction. You know, the

1266
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 1: movie pulp Fiction. You're like halfway through the movie before

1267
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 1: you realize that what you're seeing is a movie of

1268
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 1: different storylines that are taking place, non sequential, but at

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01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 1: the end it kind of all comes together and you're like, Okay,

1270
01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:59,439
Speaker 1: now I can see the different pieces of the jigsaw puzzle.

1271
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 1: They seem to kind of go out of order, and

1272
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:06,600
Speaker 1: the NCAA and they're handling of or they're trying to

1273
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 1: get the tiger by the tail of this whole saga

1274
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 1: involving Nil and everything that goes into it is the

1275
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:20,600
Speaker 1: same way of it almost feels like it's out of order.

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01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 1: Now I had mentioned that this all is coming to

1277
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 1: a head because in the past week you have back

1278
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 1: to back stories of Scott Drew at Baylor going out

1279
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 1: and getting a mid season pickup from a player who's

1280
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 1: already been drafted into the NBA but as yet to

1281
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:53,599
Speaker 1: sign a contract. And then you have another player that

1282
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:56,599
Speaker 1: is in the G League on a two way contract

1283
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: and has already scored three points in the NBA this year,

1284
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 1: that now is rumored to be being recruited by a

1285
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 1: number of different schools, including if you believe reports, Indiana,

1286
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 1: And you have two ways to look at it. One is, look,

1287
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:18,799
Speaker 1: everybody needs to take a hard line here and stop

1288
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 1: this carousel from spinning before everybody pukes. And then the

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Speaker 1: second is, yeah, but you either get on board or

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Speaker 1: get left in the dust. Which way is it? One

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01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 1: of the most And I think has a future beyond

1292
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Speaker 1: coaching if he ever so chose, in terms of administrative

1293
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 1: aspect towards college athletics, a guy that I think defines scruples.

1294
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 1: And maybe I'm wrong, maybe I've been sold to Billy Goods,

1295
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 1: but the guy that I think is the pillar of

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01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 1: going about and doing things with integrity, doing it with principle,

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01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 1: and doing it with the right intentions in mind at

1298
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 1: the core of what college athletics are supposed to be.

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Speaker 1: And maybe very soon we will say what they used

1300
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 1: to be. But the guy that I think has become

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01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 1: a spokesperson for the sport and for what should be

1302
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 1: right about it, and one that even if you're the

1303
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:33,600
Speaker 1: biggest diehard fan of a rivaling school, you should be

1304
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 1: proud that this state has produced Matt Painter. And last

1305
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 1: night Purdue ran at times a clinic against Kent State,

1306
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 1: who's going to be a good team in their league.

1307
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 1: But after the game, Matt Painter was asked about comments

1308
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 1: that tom Izzo had already made about his concern of

1309
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 1: where this is all headed. And the first thing that

1310
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 1: Painter said simply was, can we all please, at least

1311
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:01,759
Speaker 1: at the very start of this, get on the same

1312
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 1: page of some sort of outline as to what this

1313
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:06,599
Speaker 1: deal the ceiling should be.

1314
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, we just want to know the rules so we

1315
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:11,519
Speaker 6: can abide by them, Like we don't. We don't know

1316
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 6: what's going on, So that that's what I would say,

1317
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 6: Like we need some leadership. We need someone to step up,

1318
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 6: and like here's how it's ran. Here's name, image and likeness,

1319
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 6: here's the transfer situation.

1320
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 1: Like whatever.

1321
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:24,720
Speaker 6: Like we can go on to all these different examples

1322
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 6: and give us the rules. We'll abide by them, you know,

1323
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:30,479
Speaker 6: because that's who the rules are for. The rules aren't

1324
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 6: for the people who cheat. The rules are for the

1325
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 6: people that abide by them. And so like that's where

1326
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 6: this is all goes down, and there's no communication, Like

1327
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:41,680
Speaker 6: we just want to know, like tell us what to

1328
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 6: tell us what to do, tell us how to go

1329
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 6: about it, and then like you know, we'll go from there.

1330
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 6: And it's just there's just a lot of gray area.

1331
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:55,639
Speaker 1: Right now, here's where that gray area gets compounded. For example,

1332
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:58,919
Speaker 1: Alec points out Jake, the Trent and Flowers recruiting report

1333
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 1: has been deemed false.

1334
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 3: Wait, my only friend, Alec, that's right, who worked with

1335
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 3: my other friends Scott?

1336
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 1: Yes, last nime, you have two of them, then I guess.

1337
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, it.

1338
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 1: Says he wants to go back to college because he's

1339
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 1: a two way guy and wants to right his wrongs

1340
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 1: and improve his stock. Most schools that were rumored to

1341
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 1: be interested in him said they're not recruiting him. I

1342
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 1: could see that them saying that now right, I'm not

1343
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 1: saying that that's false. But that's not an isolated incident.

1344
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 1: I guarantee you there's more out there about that and

1345
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 1: within that. Okay, And here's where a lot of this

1346
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 1: problem lies. And I'm going to speak from truth here.

1347
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 1: That's not going to be very popular. There is amongst

1348
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 1: and the sport basketball and baseball are the two sports

1349
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:53,919
Speaker 1: that jump out to me the most on this Travel

1350
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 1: sports and year round sports within a specified sport is

1351
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:04,760
Speaker 1: ruining sport in many aspects. Those of you who have

1352
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 1: kids playing travel baseball, I have bad news for you.

1353
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 1: And I know that kids love playing baseball and it's wonderful.

1354
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:13,720
Speaker 1: It's a great sport. It's a great game, and it's

1355
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 1: fun for kids to go out and play with their

1356
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 1: friends and everything else. But you get to a certain

1357
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 1: point where you might notice that your kid's involvement suddenly

1358
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:27,839
Speaker 1: comes with an increased price tag for different groups coaches

1359
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 1: or organizations that are taking the money for your kid

1360
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 1: to play, which is by the design, and they're going

1361
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 1: to tell you that your kid needs to play in

1362
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 1: that league, your kid needs to play for that team.

1363
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:42,719
Speaker 1: Your kid needs to increase and play at a higher

1364
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:45,559
Speaker 1: profile because that's what's going to allow them to play

1365
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:48,600
Speaker 1: at the college level or for another team, or for

1366
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:52,760
Speaker 1: a better program, a better system that improves their batspeed,

1367
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 1: their velocity, their curve, whatever it might be. And while

1368
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 1: there may be isolated cases of that, in more care

1369
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 1: than not, it's because it's about the money that you

1370
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 1: are being fleeced to pay, and you're getting swept up

1371
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 1: and caught up in this hype that your kid's a

1372
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 1: better player than they are. I'm sorry to break it

1373
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 1: to you now. On the basketball side of things, I

1374
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,639
Speaker 1: always laugh at it. You can tell it. You see

1375
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 1: a picture of some team, and it used to be

1376
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 1: this is the number one fifteen and under team, fourteen

1377
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 1: and under team, thirteen and under team. Now it's like,

1378
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:31,639
Speaker 1: and I get it all the time. If I could

1379
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 1: show you my DMS, you would be floored at the

1380
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 1: number of things I get. I got news for you,

1381
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:40,439
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to be Debbie Downer and I'm

1382
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:45,520
Speaker 1: not trying to be pessimistic, Pete. I'm being realistic. Rick here, Okay,

1383
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:50,599
Speaker 1: every team that has second grade kids is a number

1384
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 1: four team in the country. Nobody's the number one team,

1385
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:59,280
Speaker 1: everybody's the fourth ranked team. Everybody's got the number one

1386
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 1: point guard in America. For kids that are nine years old.

1387
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 1: I got dms right now from fifteen different parents and

1388
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 1: coaches telling me about how their kid, their school, their

1389
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 1: team is the number one team. They're second graders, they're

1390
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:15,640
Speaker 1: third graders. Ain't none of it matter anything until every

1391
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 1: kid's gone through puberty. But it's all a racket set

1392
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 1: up to fleece the money out of people to continue

1393
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 1: to pay to support Half the time these completely shady

1394
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:28,880
Speaker 1: AAU programs or travel ball programs and everything else with

1395
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,639
Speaker 1: some guy whose pocket's getting fatter and fatter and fatter,

1396
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 1: and he's convinced that if he facilitates for five hundred kids,

1397
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:37,960
Speaker 1: one of them might get to the NBA and someday

1398
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,479
Speaker 1: he'll be interviewed on a thirty for thirty while kicking

1399
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 1: back his royalties. That's exactly how ninety percent of this works.

1400
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 1: And I know that sounds ludicrous, but I'm realistic, Rick,

1401
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:49,879
Speaker 1: and there's a reason I'm bringing this all up. Okay,

1402
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 1: now I can look at a picture right now, you

1403
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 1: show it to me. It's the funniest thing in the world.

1404
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 1: I see it on Facebook and social media all day long.

1405
01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:00,839
Speaker 1: Bunch of kids holding up their rings. It's some tournament

1406
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 1: out in Las Vegas or in Cincinnati or whatever, some

1407
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:05,680
Speaker 1: AAU team, and you look at the photo and you're like,

1408
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:08,479
Speaker 1: I can absolutely tell the one kid who's dad, he's

1409
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:10,599
Speaker 1: on the team because his dad's bankrolling this whole thing.

1410
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 1: You can absolutely tell it. The four foot ten kid

1411
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 1: that weighs sixty four pounds, Like, that kid's on the

1412
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 1: team because his dad is the one that is convincing

1413
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 1: his wife that they need to be paying for this,

1414
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 1: because his kid's gonna get his shot someday to go

1415
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 1: play big time Division one sports. Guess what. Dominant seventh grade,

1416
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 1: dominant second grade, third grade, fourth grade, fifth grade kids,

1417
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 1: you know what, most of them grow up to be

1418
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 1: nice backup JV point guards. Because then everybody else goes

1419
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 1: through puberty and it all evens out. And the same

1420
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 1: thing happens in college recruiting because all these players now

1421
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 1: they no longer are represented by they play for Lawrence

1422
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:51,600
Speaker 1: North or Warren Central or North Central or Brownsburg or

1423
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:54,920
Speaker 1: Ben Davis or Rebuff. Now it is they play for

1424
01:21:55,680 --> 01:22:01,080
Speaker 1: you know, Indie Heat or Ohio Elite or whatever the

1425
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 1: AAU programs are. And it's the AAU coaches again trying

1426
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 1: to get that pocket that right. It's the AAU coaches

1427
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:11,599
Speaker 1: that are selling and over selling these guys as being

1428
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 1: bigger and better than what they are, and they are

1429
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 1: convincing all of these kids that they are going to

1430
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 1: be NBA or G League or European Professional League players

1431
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 1: and the reality is that like one percent of all

1432
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:28,759
Speaker 1: players reach that point and they're still at its core,

1433
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:34,200
Speaker 1: should be those players that college athletics allows for a player,

1434
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 1: whether he is a player from rural America, whether he's

1435
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 1: a player from inner city America, whether he's a kid

1436
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 1: from suburban America, a kid who gets the opportunity to

1437
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:49,640
Speaker 1: advance his education and his worldly experience in doing so,

1438
01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 1: perhaps financially in a situation that otherwise would not be

1439
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 1: afforded to him or her, And those are the ones

1440
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 1: that this potentially is going to hurt, because what happens

1441
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 1: if all of a sudden, now you are becoming essentially

1442
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:07,800
Speaker 1: nothing but a G league and you are doing it

1443
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:10,759
Speaker 1: with just one year rentals, over and over and over,

1444
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:16,640
Speaker 1: facilitated by greasy AAU funded money funneling, channeling, sponsorships and

1445
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 1: all of that, and now all of a sudden, you're

1446
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 1: losing sight of what the true purpose of the college

1447
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 1: experience should be. And it sounds ridiculous except for you

1448
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 1: realize that ninety eight percent of players playing in college

1449
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 1: basketball are never going to be in a situation where

1450
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 1: their livelihood has changed because of the game and playing

1451
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:41,200
Speaker 1: it beyond the age of twenty two, and Matt Painter

1452
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:43,440
Speaker 1: is well aware of that fact.

1453
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:47,400
Speaker 6: We got to keep fighting for the ones that aren't

1454
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 6: pros because you end up being a pro and you

1455
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:53,680
Speaker 6: get yourself in that position. But when you go look statistically,

1456
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 6: ninety four ninety five percent of all pros have to

1457
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 6: get another job, so we should probably fight for them too.

1458
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,760
Speaker 6: You know, making it isn't going to the NBA. You know,

1459
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:04,879
Speaker 6: making it is just being the best version of yourself

1460
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 6: and helping other people like that's making it, Like and

1461
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:09,400
Speaker 6: so we get lost in this.

1462
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:12,320
Speaker 1: Little world we're in when in reality.

1463
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 6: Like, let's don't lose that train of thought about doing

1464
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 6: what's best for them. But it's getting really hard quit

1465
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:23,080
Speaker 6: with the landscape or where we're in right now.

1466
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:28,360
Speaker 1: I go back to one of the best lines I've

1467
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 1: ever seen while sitting in a movie theater and like

1468
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 1: I literally I stopped. And there have been great lines

1469
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 1: in movie history. Hope is a good thing, perhaps the

1470
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:46,840
Speaker 1: best of things. It's a great line, great line. There's

1471
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 1: just one thing I want you to do for me? When? When?

1472
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:54,840
Speaker 1: What are we waiting for? It's a great line from

1473
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 1: Rocky Too. It's a great line. Endless, but one of

1474
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:01,120
Speaker 1: the great lines I've ever heard. And it wasn't a

1475
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 1: movie but a documentary was in Hoop Dreams with William Gates,

1476
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:08,200
Speaker 1: who I've mentioned on this show before, when they followed

1477
01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:10,840
Speaker 1: William Gates and Arthur ag both kids my class class

1478
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 1: of nineteen ninety one in high school, and they followed

1479
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 1: him for all four years of high school, through their

1480
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 1: journey in the Chicago public schools and in Gates' case,

1481
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:22,719
Speaker 1: going into the parochial schools in Saint Joseph in Westchester, Illinois,

1482
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:26,040
Speaker 1: same school that produced Isaiah Thomas and Darryl Thomas of

1483
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 1: Indiana fame, and both of them were thought to be

1484
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 1: sure fire NBA level players. And at the end of

1485
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:37,360
Speaker 1: that documentary they interview William Gates, who went under Marquette,

1486
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 1: had a knee injury, had a modest career in college.

1487
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 1: They get ended their for him from a playing standpoint,

1488
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:48,639
Speaker 1: and he says in that documentary, everywhere I go, everyone

1489
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 1: says to me the same thing, don't forget about me

1490
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:54,559
Speaker 1: when you get to the NBA. And then he paused

1491
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 1: and said, and what I want to say back to

1492
01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 1: them is, don't forget about me if I don't get there.

1493
01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:04,920
Speaker 1: And every kid right now playing somewhere in the summer

1494
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 1: League is convinced, as they probably should be, that the

1495
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 1: game is always going to be there for them. And

1496
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:13,639
Speaker 1: we used to live in a world where there were

1497
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:18,599
Speaker 1: people who knew better that were able to say to them, son, daughter,

1498
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:21,680
Speaker 1: I want you to chase those dreams and aspirations, but

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Speaker 1: I want you to also have something in store if

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01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:30,200
Speaker 1: in fact that isn't there for you. And the avenue

1501
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 1: in which those things used to be there for people,

1502
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:36,120
Speaker 1: Matt Painter and others now are aware of the fact

1503
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 1: that what if that also goes away? And that's the

1504
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:44,479
Speaker 1: real danger of where college basketball may be. Again, not

1505
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 1: trying to be pessimistic, Pete, just realistic. Rick Stephen Holder

1506
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 1: latest on the Colts just over fifteen. Stephen Holder coming

1507
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:56,719
Speaker 1: up just a couple of minutes from now, but before

1508
01:26:56,800 --> 01:27:00,280
Speaker 1: we do that. And I'm thrilled about this, thrilled, and

1509
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:02,559
Speaker 1: I can only imagine how thrilled he is going to

1510
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:05,719
Speaker 1: be to be on the mic for the Rose Bowl

1511
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:10,839
Speaker 1: between Indiana and Alabama. A reminder inside IU Football tonight

1512
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:13,760
Speaker 1: seven o'clock. It is a special edition of it with

1513
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:18,559
Speaker 1: Don Fisher, Kurt Signetti, Aiden Fisher, lots of conversation about

1514
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 1: this the biggest game in the history of the program

1515
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 1: until next week when they go to the Peach Bowl,

1516
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:24,559
Speaker 1: if they do, and that becomes it and then you

1517
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 1: just go on and on from there. But Don Fisher

1518
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 1: joins us now on the Java House Peel and poor

1519
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:33,440
Speaker 1: guest line, and Don, you are already out in Pasadena, correct.

1520
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 5: That is correct?

1521
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 7: We flew out here yesterday afternoon. I got here early

1522
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:39,320
Speaker 7: last evening.

1523
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:40,800
Speaker 5: And how are you?

1524
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 7: At a press conference this morning? And it took about

1525
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:47,759
Speaker 7: an hour with players, coaches, all of the Indiana well players,

1526
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 7: not all of them, but a good portion of them.

1527
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 7: And yeah, so it's been a fun morning thus far.

1528
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 7: And it feels like it's already afternoon, even though it's.

1529
01:27:56,920 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 1: Not Okay, that's right, your body clock says differently. All right,

1530
01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:03,679
Speaker 1: let's get to this weather report. What is the weather

1531
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 1: there right now? Because I've seen, you know, there is

1532
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:08,360
Speaker 1: some talk that this is going to be a rain game,

1533
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 1: which I think could be advantage Indiana.

1534
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:13,080
Speaker 8: But that's a different discussion. But how was the weather. Well,

1535
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 8: it's gray out here today. It's not the prettiest day

1536
01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 8: I've seen in California in the past, so but it's

1537
01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 8: not bad and the temperature is beautiful, So from that standpoint,

1538
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:26,479
Speaker 8: it's very comfortable. And like I said, it's not raining

1539
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:27,880
Speaker 8: at this juncture, so that's key.

1540
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 1: Don I want to get to this. You know, we

1541
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:34,560
Speaker 1: can sit here and break down this game and Indiana's

1542
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:36,720
Speaker 1: advantage I think on the ground. I mean, there's a

1543
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:38,760
Speaker 1: lot of things that we can go into, but I

1544
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 1: wanted to since I have you here, I simply wanted

1545
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 1: to get to this. And that is just about how

1546
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 1: special this is, you know, not just for Kurt Signetti

1547
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:50,760
Speaker 1: and this group of Indiana players that have just been remarkable,

1548
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:54,680
Speaker 1: but for Indiana in general, and for you, you know,

1549
01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:57,599
Speaker 1: as the face and the voice of Indiana football for

1550
01:28:57,640 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 1: so long. And I know that you've been asked this

1551
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:01,400
Speaker 1: a lot, and you've you know, you've talked, we've talked

1552
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:04,600
Speaker 1: about it even but have you gotten a chance to

1553
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 1: really just kind of soak in and take in everything

1554
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:12,920
Speaker 1: as it's happening before us here as it's unfolding.

1555
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 7: Well, as you know, Jake, it's one of those things

1556
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:20,880
Speaker 7: in the sense of what you're doing at the time.

1557
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:27,040
Speaker 7: But I question, it's a special time, especially from my perspective,

1558
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:30,800
Speaker 7: but it's a special time for the entire fan base

1559
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:34,719
Speaker 7: of Indiana University that has taken on this football team

1560
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:38,000
Speaker 7: as their own. And that's basically what's happened here, and

1561
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:41,800
Speaker 7: that's all because of Signetti and his tremendous success with

1562
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:46,040
Speaker 7: this program. And from my perspective, you know, it's been

1563
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:48,800
Speaker 7: a long time coming as we as we know, and

1564
01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:52,600
Speaker 7: we've had some very good seasons through the years, but

1565
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 7: not great seasons. And certainly in my tenure I counted

1566
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:01,679
Speaker 7: this up finally, Jake, I've been here fifty three years

1567
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:04,840
Speaker 7: now doing games for IU, and in my time here,

1568
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:09,600
Speaker 7: including the two years of Signetti, we have thirteen winning seasons.

1569
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 7: So it's been something, to say the least, and most

1570
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 7: of those other times that we had winning seasons were

1571
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:20,680
Speaker 7: all during the Bill Maher era, so it has been

1572
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:23,760
Speaker 7: a long time since we've experienced this, but we are

1573
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:26,879
Speaker 7: experiencing at a different level than we've ever had before.

1574
01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 7: And it's just so much to be fun. It's so

1575
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:32,360
Speaker 7: much fun for me to be a part of it.

1576
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:36,000
Speaker 7: That's number one. And then number two again, the people

1577
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:38,720
Speaker 7: that I feel best for are those fans that spent

1578
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:41,479
Speaker 7: the money to buy season tickets a year after year

1579
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:44,240
Speaker 7: after year after year and still continued to do so

1580
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 7: through all of the tough times. And yet those fans

1581
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:50,439
Speaker 7: are being taken care of now just like I am

1582
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:53,000
Speaker 7: in the sense of the success that this program has

1583
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:55,760
Speaker 7: had over the last two seasons. So for me, it's

1584
01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:59,160
Speaker 7: all about all of us who have lived through Indiana

1585
01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:01,679
Speaker 7: Football through the years that were so lean, and now

1586
01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:05,400
Speaker 7: such a tremendous, tremendous opportunity for this program.

1587
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:08,720
Speaker 1: Don not that you would need any more joy out

1588
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:13,599
Speaker 1: of this, but is your joy accentuated by this fact,

1589
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:16,759
Speaker 1: and that is that you know there are two ways

1590
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:20,120
Speaker 1: to do things. Sometimes people shortcut things, or they sell

1591
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:22,879
Speaker 1: their soul to the devil and they compromise their principles,

1592
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 1: their scruples, and they take the easy path. And this

1593
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:29,040
Speaker 1: is not a program that did that. This is a

1594
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:32,439
Speaker 1: program by all account that got there because they hired

1595
01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 1: the right guy who goes about it the right way

1596
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:40,840
Speaker 1: and has players that represent themselves in their university selflessly

1597
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:43,880
Speaker 1: by doing it the right way. And to me, for

1598
01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:46,280
Speaker 1: someone like you, I would think that has to am

1599
01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:51,200
Speaker 1: I correct in saying, only add to the satisfaction of

1600
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:52,639
Speaker 1: it all.

1601
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:56,320
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, because what you see from this program right

1602
01:31:56,360 --> 01:32:01,920
Speaker 7: now under Signetti is first class people. And that's the

1603
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 7: one thing we talked about this as well, Jake, in

1604
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 7: our conversation's here over the last several months, in a

1605
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:11,759
Speaker 7: couple of years now is the house Signetti goes about

1606
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 7: running this program, and his belief and philosophy is you've

1607
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:19,160
Speaker 7: got to have character first, and then the mindset and

1608
01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:21,360
Speaker 7: all those kinds of things and all the other things

1609
01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 7: that he talks about, which if.

1610
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:24,960
Speaker 5: I reiterated, I'd have to go on.

1611
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 7: For at least three or four more minutes just talking

1612
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:30,280
Speaker 7: about his sayings and about the things he believes in

1613
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 7: because he does it the right way and being first

1614
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:37,040
Speaker 7: class is the only way that he goes about his

1615
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:40,479
Speaker 7: business in that context, and he does that by vetting,

1616
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:45,000
Speaker 7: the players, vetting, the vetting, the people in his administration

1617
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 7: of the athletic department, in the football program, and the

1618
01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:51,320
Speaker 7: coaching staff, the coaches that work with him. And think

1619
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:54,160
Speaker 7: about this, all these guys that have stayed with Signetti

1620
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 7: for all these years and still being able to hang

1621
01:32:57,080 --> 01:32:59,960
Speaker 7: on to both coordinators. Yeah, they're paying them a lot

1622
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:04,120
Speaker 7: more money than they've ever made. But these guys wouldn't

1623
01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:06,559
Speaker 7: have hung out with this guy for that many years

1624
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:10,080
Speaker 7: had he not been successful and been true to his

1625
01:33:10,200 --> 01:33:13,840
Speaker 7: word and what he told them. I just from that standpoint,

1626
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:17,400
Speaker 7: it's just such a first class operation, and it makes

1627
01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:19,160
Speaker 7: you proud to be a part of something like that

1628
01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 7: and as you said, not compromising any of your principles

1629
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:26,400
Speaker 7: and your beliefs. And that's exactly what this guy does

1630
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:28,519
Speaker 7: with his program, and I couldn't be prouder to be

1631
01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 7: a part of it.

1632
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:31,960
Speaker 1: Don Where is Indiana going into this game from a

1633
01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:34,519
Speaker 1: health standpoint? Because we saw, for example, in the Big

1634
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:36,519
Speaker 1: Ten title game, you know Omar Cooper went out early

1635
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:41,080
Speaker 1: daily obviously was hurt after the game. Where does Indiana

1636
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:42,799
Speaker 1: stand in terms of that injury report?

1637
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:47,439
Speaker 7: Well, Omar is in good shape. There's another player that

1638
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:49,679
Speaker 7: we haven't talked about Harley at all for the last

1639
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:52,240
Speaker 7: what two thirds of the season, and Brendan Frankie the

1640
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:56,920
Speaker 7: kickoff guy, but apparently is available for doing that kind

1641
01:33:56,920 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 7: of duty. Got a terrific leg hasn't hasn't had any

1642
01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:05,040
Speaker 7: planning time however for quite some time now. I think

1643
01:34:05,080 --> 01:34:07,160
Speaker 7: it was maybe the fourth Maye game of the season

1644
01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:09,840
Speaker 7: where he got hurt and hasn't been able to get back,

1645
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:12,800
Speaker 7: and Brendan frank is now available to kick off, and

1646
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:15,120
Speaker 7: I think he's very valuable in that department at that

1647
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:17,040
Speaker 7: league is as strong as it was when he first

1648
01:34:17,080 --> 01:34:18,280
Speaker 7: started out in the season.

1649
01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:20,160
Speaker 5: So they got him back.

1650
01:34:20,479 --> 01:34:24,640
Speaker 7: Obviously, there's still a question mark about Stephen Day's replacement

1651
01:34:24,680 --> 01:34:27,280
Speaker 7: at this juncture. I don't think they've given anything away

1652
01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:32,400
Speaker 7: in that area. They've mentioned and Daniel Dukeway as probably

1653
01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:36,280
Speaker 7: the probable guy that will step in there, but I

1654
01:34:36,280 --> 01:34:38,680
Speaker 7: think they have other things planned in regard to that

1655
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:42,640
Speaker 7: position as well. Because Briant Haynes, who was a tremendous

1656
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:46,400
Speaker 7: defensive coordinator and a magician that dialing out the different

1657
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:50,920
Speaker 7: kinds of aggressive plays defensively for this football team, and

1658
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:53,639
Speaker 7: he's proven how good he is with just how good

1659
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:57,200
Speaker 7: Indiana's defense has become. So I think he's probably got

1660
01:34:57,240 --> 01:35:00,280
Speaker 7: some plans too for this ball club and for this

1661
01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:04,280
Speaker 7: game against Alabama coming up on Thursday. And other than that,

1662
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:08,160
Speaker 7: there are no issues from an injury perspective at this point.

1663
01:35:08,280 --> 01:35:12,400
Speaker 1: And lastly, don does this game represent any sort of

1664
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:15,200
Speaker 1: you know, obviously there is probably I would imagine more

1665
01:35:15,240 --> 01:35:18,439
Speaker 1: obligation of things they have to do before the game itself.

1666
01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:21,439
Speaker 1: Alabama probably has gone through that before as well. But

1667
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:26,400
Speaker 1: have you noticed any change and just approach, scheduling, approach,

1668
01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:30,080
Speaker 1: time management, any of it from the Indiana standpoint.

1669
01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:31,639
Speaker 5: No, not really.

1670
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:34,920
Speaker 7: I mean I can tell you this that they, like

1671
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:37,360
Speaker 7: I said, this morning, we went to a press conference

1672
01:35:37,400 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 7: that was underway at eight o'clock and all the guys

1673
01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:44,280
Speaker 7: that have mattered on this team so far this year

1674
01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:47,800
Speaker 7: from a playing perspective required to be there. He gave

1675
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:50,639
Speaker 7: the press an opportunity to talk to all these guys.

1676
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 7: And outside of that, I mean, this is the first

1677
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:57,879
Speaker 7: day out here in the sense of guys out here yesterday,

1678
01:35:57,920 --> 01:36:00,639
Speaker 7: But obviously nothing was planned for you today as far

1679
01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:03,519
Speaker 7: as any kind of press conference. And now, of course,

1680
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:06,280
Speaker 7: in this situation, they are going through this.

1681
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:08,360
Speaker 5: You know the scenario that they.

1682
01:36:08,240 --> 01:36:11,479
Speaker 7: Have to which is required by the College Football Playoff

1683
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:13,880
Speaker 7: and by the Rose bull itself. So there are things

1684
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:15,519
Speaker 7: that they're doing that are a little bit out of

1685
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:17,840
Speaker 7: the ordinary, but I know that Signetti is trying to

1686
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:20,680
Speaker 7: keep things as much in the context of how it

1687
01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:24,000
Speaker 7: should be done and what they're concentrating on. At this point,

1688
01:36:24,240 --> 01:36:26,040
Speaker 7: there's no doubt in my mind this team will be

1689
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:26,840
Speaker 7: ready to play.

1690
01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 5: It might get off to.

1691
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:30,320
Speaker 7: A little bit of a slower start than the norm

1692
01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:32,880
Speaker 7: because they've had so much time off, and maybe you've

1693
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:35,599
Speaker 7: got to knock a little bit rust off that. I'm

1694
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:37,880
Speaker 7: confident in what this guy does and how he goes

1695
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:40,120
Speaker 7: about his business and this he will be ready and

1696
01:36:40,479 --> 01:36:42,519
Speaker 7: if they get off to a slow start, they'll pick

1697
01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:44,479
Speaker 7: it up at the end. I think this football team's

1698
01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:44,880
Speaker 7: going to win.

1699
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 1: I think they're going to be the Alabama love It

1700
01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:50,439
Speaker 1: pre game three o'clock on New Year's Day for the

1701
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:53,880
Speaker 1: Rose Bowl, Indiana the number one seed, number one ranked

1702
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:56,719
Speaker 1: in the College Football Playoff against the Alabama Crimson Tide.

1703
01:36:56,720 --> 01:36:58,760
Speaker 1: Pregame of three kickoff at four right here on the

1704
01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:03,200
Speaker 1: fan again seven o'clock to inside Indiana Football don enjoy it,

1705
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:06,799
Speaker 1: go Hoosiers, and happy New Year to you.

1706
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:08,960
Speaker 7: You can't do anything but enjoy it while we're out

1707
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:10,080
Speaker 7: here on the West coast.

1708
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:12,120
Speaker 5: Jake, thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

1709
01:37:12,160 --> 01:37:15,240
Speaker 1: Appreciated. Don Fisher, the voice of the Indiana Hoosiers, joining

1710
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:17,960
Speaker 1: us on the program All Right News from West fifty sixth,

1711
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:21,760
Speaker 1: including a change at quarterback to discuss Steven Holder will

1712
01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:26,439
Speaker 1: let us know where things stand next we went with this.

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01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:31,960
Speaker 1: Here's a contribute question for Stephen Holder. Stephenholder of ESPN

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01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:33,960
Speaker 1: dot com who joins us on the Java House Peel

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01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:37,040
Speaker 1: and Poor Guest line. He is the one that was

1716
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:40,559
Speaker 1: responsible for confirming the news that Riley Leonard will be

1717
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:44,160
Speaker 1: your starting quarterback for the final game of the season

1718
01:37:44,200 --> 01:37:48,120
Speaker 1: for the Colts coming up on Sunday. Steven, would you

1719
01:37:48,240 --> 01:37:50,960
Speaker 1: like to guess why we went with the Ghetto Boys

1720
01:37:51,080 --> 01:37:57,360
Speaker 1: as our artist of choice today? Hm ah?

1721
01:37:57,479 --> 01:37:58,639
Speaker 9: Is this the Houston connection?

1722
01:37:59,200 --> 01:38:01,599
Speaker 1: Look at the big brain on Steve.

1723
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:05,080
Speaker 9: Yes, yes, looten listen.

1724
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:08,360
Speaker 1: Scarface the greatest Houston.

1725
01:38:09,680 --> 01:38:13,799
Speaker 9: I mean when you say Houston, you're saying the homeless

1726
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:15,479
Speaker 9: scarface as far as I'm concerned.

1727
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:19,320
Speaker 1: But you know that makes just be me listen, I

1728
01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:24,080
Speaker 1: love the song Scarf. Love the song Scarface. And the

1729
01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:25,840
Speaker 1: other day, actually we were driving in the car, not

1730
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:27,960
Speaker 1: that anybody cares, we're going to tell anyway, and uh,

1731
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:31,200
Speaker 1: I'm driving. Shannon's in the pastor seat, and she says,

1732
01:38:31,479 --> 01:38:33,960
Speaker 1: is this that song where you do that ridiculous duck

1733
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:36,880
Speaker 1: down again when the gunfire happens. I said, yes, as

1734
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:39,320
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, it is. It's an entire it's

1735
01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:41,479
Speaker 1: an entire routine that happens when you ride in the

1736
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:44,599
Speaker 1: car with me. I can tell you that right now. Okay,

1737
01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:46,880
Speaker 1: So speaking of that, Steven, we now know that, in

1738
01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:48,800
Speaker 1: fact at the driver's wheel, with his hands on the

1739
01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:51,040
Speaker 1: wheel will be Riley Leonard for the colts coming up

1740
01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:56,040
Speaker 1: on Sunday. What does this mean, both in the short

1741
01:38:56,160 --> 01:38:59,920
Speaker 1: term and then beyond crazy? Is that sounds? And here

1742
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:01,360
Speaker 1: me out on this for philip rivers.

1743
01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:06,519
Speaker 9: Okay, Well, I'll take the second part first, in terms

1744
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:09,360
Speaker 9: of philip rivers long term. For philip rivers, as we

1745
01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:11,800
Speaker 9: sit here today, there is no long term. Okay. Let

1746
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:16,840
Speaker 9: me be clear about that. I sense no inclination from

1747
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:23,040
Speaker 9: him to give this any further consideration, and I certainly

1748
01:39:23,080 --> 01:39:25,640
Speaker 9: don't hear that from the Colts. In fact, you know,

1749
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:29,519
Speaker 9: they don't ever want to be in this position ever

1750
01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:32,920
Speaker 9: again where they have to call Philip Rivers. So, you know,

1751
01:39:32,960 --> 01:39:35,120
Speaker 9: I want to want people to kind of understand it

1752
01:39:35,400 --> 01:39:37,840
Speaker 9: from that perspective, Like it wasn't you know it would

1753
01:39:37,880 --> 01:39:40,080
Speaker 9: be a great idea, let's go get Philip Rivers because

1754
01:39:40,360 --> 01:39:42,599
Speaker 9: we think he's a great option. It was more like,

1755
01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:44,200
Speaker 9: we don't have any options.

1756
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:44,920
Speaker 1: We might have to.

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01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:47,320
Speaker 9: Call Philip Rivers. You understand that, Like those are two

1758
01:39:47,320 --> 01:39:51,200
Speaker 9: different things, you know. So anyhow, that's where that stands

1759
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:54,680
Speaker 9: in terms of what it means for Riley Leonard. I

1760
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:57,720
Speaker 9: think it's an opportunity. It's what it is. It's an opportunity.

1761
01:39:58,120 --> 01:40:00,760
Speaker 9: It's a tough spot, no question about it. I mean

1762
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:04,760
Speaker 9: that Houston defense is it is super Bowl caliber and

1763
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:08,439
Speaker 9: there's no question about it. And they come for the quarterback, buddy.

1764
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:13,240
Speaker 9: So he's going to get a test under fire and

1765
01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:15,519
Speaker 9: it is going to be a I guess baptism under

1766
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:18,280
Speaker 9: fire if you will. And he just better be ready.

1767
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:20,200
Speaker 9: That's all I can say. He better be ready, and

1768
01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:22,960
Speaker 9: it might be ugly, it might not go according to

1769
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:25,600
Speaker 9: the plan. I don't think any of that is necessarily

1770
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:29,519
Speaker 9: an awful thing because you know, he could be their

1771
01:40:29,560 --> 01:40:32,679
Speaker 9: long term backup if he proves worthy of it. And

1772
01:40:32,760 --> 01:40:33,680
Speaker 9: so that's kind of where that.

1773
01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:38,639
Speaker 1: Stands, Stephen. Didn't they find themselves in or is there

1774
01:40:38,680 --> 01:40:41,120
Speaker 1: some truth to this thought that I had from earlier,

1775
01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:45,080
Speaker 1: and that is Chris Ballard and Shane Stiken needed to

1776
01:40:45,200 --> 01:40:50,160
Speaker 1: start Riley Leonard on Sunday for the reasons that you mentioned,

1777
01:40:50,200 --> 01:40:54,120
Speaker 1: but at the same time also because at some point,

1778
01:40:54,120 --> 01:40:57,040
Speaker 1: you know, Shane Steiken is the quarterback whisper and Chris

1779
01:40:57,080 --> 01:41:00,519
Speaker 1: Ballard is hired to judge, assess and then acquire talent

1780
01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:03,320
Speaker 1: coming out of the draft or out of college. They

1781
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:05,720
Speaker 1: are getting ready potentially to go in for end of

1782
01:41:05,800 --> 01:41:08,160
Speaker 1: your meetings. Don't they need to be able to say,

1783
01:41:08,439 --> 01:41:11,439
Speaker 1: wouldn't it not have been an indictment in a totally

1784
01:41:11,560 --> 01:41:14,400
Speaker 1: meaningless game for them to not have gone with a

1785
01:41:14,439 --> 01:41:18,160
Speaker 1: guy that is, to some extent the reason why they

1786
01:41:18,200 --> 01:41:19,559
Speaker 1: should have that job validation?

1787
01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:25,000
Speaker 9: Well, I mean, I just think for consistency's sake, you

1788
01:41:25,120 --> 01:41:26,920
Speaker 9: kind of had to do this. And what I mean

1789
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:31,400
Speaker 9: by that is the stated objective when you signed Philip

1790
01:41:31,479 --> 01:41:34,960
Speaker 9: Rivers was we are doing this to make a run

1791
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:38,680
Speaker 9: at the playoffs. Now that didn't work, but I understand it,

1792
01:41:38,720 --> 01:41:41,720
Speaker 9: and I actually don't hold that decision against them. I

1793
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:45,720
Speaker 9: think it makes sense now now that they are out

1794
01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:49,519
Speaker 9: of playoff contention. I think if you want to be

1795
01:41:49,560 --> 01:41:53,000
Speaker 9: consistent that goal, that carrot is no longer out there,

1796
01:41:53,320 --> 01:41:57,880
Speaker 9: so there's nothing to prohibit you from playing the player

1797
01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:01,800
Speaker 9: that you drafted. But that was true Sunday, Well this

1798
01:42:01,840 --> 01:42:04,519
Speaker 9: past Sunday, Well, yeah, that's fair, but I would say this.

1799
01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:09,160
Speaker 9: They said, ahead, it's time. I get it, but you

1800
01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:12,040
Speaker 9: can you can accept the explanation or not. But the

1801
01:42:13,200 --> 01:42:16,679
Speaker 9: thinking was they wouldn't know they were eliminated until Saturday night,

1802
01:42:17,160 --> 01:42:20,080
Speaker 9: and by then it's too late to go back and

1803
01:42:20,240 --> 01:42:23,120
Speaker 9: change what you've done all week. In terms of preparation,

1804
01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:27,160
Speaker 9: you would be putting Riley Leonard out there without the

1805
01:42:27,240 --> 01:42:28,360
Speaker 9: adequate preparation.

1806
01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:29,160
Speaker 1: I get it.

1807
01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:31,799
Speaker 9: Okay, Well, look, I mean I get I get.

1808
01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:33,920
Speaker 1: Why, I get the explanation. I'm not saying I buy it.

1809
01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:35,640
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I'm not saying you I

1810
01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:38,960
Speaker 1: mean because my thought on that is yeah, but they

1811
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:39,519
Speaker 1: put to it.

1812
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:41,559
Speaker 9: Although it is true, it is true that Rivers did

1813
01:42:41,560 --> 01:42:42,960
Speaker 9: take the snatch, but go ahead.

1814
01:42:43,240 --> 01:42:45,760
Speaker 1: Well, but I mean what I'm saying is, I mean,

1815
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:49,280
Speaker 1: it's it's water under the bridge now. But with the

1816
01:42:49,360 --> 01:42:53,000
Speaker 1: explanation of we have to go with Rivers because that's

1817
01:42:53,040 --> 01:42:56,040
Speaker 1: who we used in the week preparation. I get that.

1818
01:42:56,439 --> 01:42:58,479
Speaker 1: But then at the same time, they went with Rivers

1819
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:00,599
Speaker 1: three days after he was coaching a high school team,

1820
01:43:02,040 --> 01:43:03,439
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it wasn't like he

1821
01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:04,520
Speaker 1: was there leading.

1822
01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:08,200
Speaker 9: Up because he has he's uniquely prepared to do that.

1823
01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:11,320
Speaker 1: Understood, he is, I understand, but rather than has been

1824
01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:14,800
Speaker 1: in the building all year. I mean, but regardless, So

1825
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:15,480
Speaker 1: I would.

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01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:17,559
Speaker 9: Say I would just say this in closing on this point,

1827
01:43:17,960 --> 01:43:22,800
Speaker 9: I do think there is at least some recognition that, look,

1828
01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:24,759
Speaker 9: Philip Rivers came and did us a favor.

1829
01:43:24,920 --> 01:43:27,320
Speaker 1: Oh total, I get it. And he did a good job.

1830
01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:29,280
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I know they didn't win the games,

1831
01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:31,960
Speaker 1: all things considered, he did a good job, no question,

1832
01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:34,960
Speaker 1: and he's a very likable guy and all of those things.

1833
01:43:35,240 --> 01:43:39,599
Speaker 1: The reason I asked about him beyond this year, crazy

1834
01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:44,320
Speaker 1: as it sounds, when I look at next year there

1835
01:43:44,680 --> 01:43:47,479
Speaker 1: it is my opinion their best option at quarterback next

1836
01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:50,679
Speaker 1: year is Daniel Jones, but he's not under contract. Let's

1837
01:43:50,680 --> 01:43:53,920
Speaker 1: say that he has resigned, You don't know for certain

1838
01:43:53,920 --> 01:43:55,880
Speaker 1: that he is going to be one hundred percent and

1839
01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:58,920
Speaker 1: up to speed ready to go in week one. What

1840
01:43:59,080 --> 01:44:02,920
Speaker 1: quarterback on their roster gives them the best chance to

1841
01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:06,519
Speaker 1: win until Daniel Jones is able to take the keys

1842
01:44:06,640 --> 01:44:11,519
Speaker 1: and also has the least messy transition of power.

1843
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:16,080
Speaker 9: Well, that's an important part of the question. I think

1844
01:44:16,120 --> 01:44:20,519
Speaker 9: that last part. So I think the answer, Well, let's

1845
01:44:20,560 --> 01:44:22,080
Speaker 9: back up, let's address it this way.

1846
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:23,679
Speaker 1: Here's what I think is.

1847
01:44:23,640 --> 01:44:24,639
Speaker 9: Probably going to happen.

1848
01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:25,200
Speaker 5: How about that.

1849
01:44:26,200 --> 01:44:31,840
Speaker 9: I think the likeliest way forward here is, as you said,

1850
01:44:32,240 --> 01:44:37,680
Speaker 9: they intend very very strongly to or their preferences very

1851
01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:43,120
Speaker 9: strongly to re sign Daniel Jones, get him healthy. They

1852
01:44:43,120 --> 01:44:46,559
Speaker 9: have already sort of latched on to the Aaron Rodgers story,

1853
01:44:46,640 --> 01:44:49,320
Speaker 9: and I'm pretty sure that that Daniel has been in

1854
01:44:49,320 --> 01:44:51,680
Speaker 9: touch with Rogers, you know, to kind of get some

1855
01:44:51,760 --> 01:44:55,320
Speaker 9: advice from him on how he bounced back from from

1856
01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:58,840
Speaker 9: his achilles in such short order, which he did do.

1857
01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:00,960
Speaker 9: He didn't play great off of it, but he did

1858
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:04,000
Speaker 9: come back pretty quickly. Now Daniel's ten years younger, so

1859
01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:08,479
Speaker 9: that helps. Anyhow, they think of a duplication of that

1860
01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:09,600
Speaker 9: as as possible.

1861
01:45:09,640 --> 01:45:10,599
Speaker 1: So let's say they're right.

1862
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:13,439
Speaker 9: Let's say which they can't possibly know now, but let's

1863
01:45:13,479 --> 01:45:16,200
Speaker 9: say they're right, you get them back. There is that

1864
01:45:16,360 --> 01:45:18,599
Speaker 9: chance that he might not be fully ready to go

1865
01:45:18,680 --> 01:45:23,400
Speaker 9: on day one. Anthony Richardson is under contract for next year.

1866
01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:28,320
Speaker 9: The reality is they moved on from Anthony Richardson. They

1867
01:45:28,320 --> 01:45:30,320
Speaker 9: didn't say that, but I'm saying that. But they all

1868
01:45:30,760 --> 01:45:33,000
Speaker 9: said it with their They said it with their with

1869
01:45:33,040 --> 01:45:38,559
Speaker 9: their actions. I anticipate he gets traded. So if that

1870
01:45:38,640 --> 01:45:42,519
Speaker 9: remains true, I think they are grooming Riley Leonard to

1871
01:45:42,640 --> 01:45:45,880
Speaker 9: probably be a long term backup. And you have Daniel

1872
01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:48,320
Speaker 9: Jones and Riley Leonard. That's what I see happening.

1873
01:45:49,400 --> 01:45:52,360
Speaker 1: What would Richardson realistically fetch on the market?

1874
01:45:54,320 --> 01:45:59,479
Speaker 9: Not a ton and because there's some uncertainty with him, right,

1875
01:45:59,560 --> 01:46:03,240
Speaker 9: I mean injury performance, all of that for sure. But

1876
01:46:04,120 --> 01:46:06,680
Speaker 9: I think there's gonna be I don't think there's going

1877
01:46:06,720 --> 01:46:09,559
Speaker 9: to be a lack of interest, But I'd also don't

1878
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:12,760
Speaker 9: think teams are going to be willing to give up

1879
01:46:12,760 --> 01:46:15,080
Speaker 9: the house, you know. I think there's there's two different

1880
01:46:15,240 --> 01:46:18,680
Speaker 9: questions what teams to be interested? I think, yes, this

1881
01:46:18,760 --> 01:46:20,960
Speaker 9: is not a great quarterback, class in the NFL draft.

1882
01:46:21,240 --> 01:46:23,519
Speaker 9: I don't know what free agency looks like, but it's

1883
01:46:23,560 --> 01:46:27,240
Speaker 9: probably not great depending on who falls out of the trees.

1884
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:34,360
Speaker 9: So I anticipate there will be teams interested in looking

1885
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:37,720
Speaker 9: at him in some capacity. But you know, but what

1886
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:39,880
Speaker 9: are you going to What are you going to get

1887
01:46:39,880 --> 01:46:42,000
Speaker 9: in terms of a draft pick? I think it's probably

1888
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:45,760
Speaker 9: a mid round pick, is what I think. Could you

1889
01:46:45,800 --> 01:46:49,040
Speaker 9: get a little more if there are multiple suitors, yes,

1890
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:51,960
Speaker 9: but I'm not talking about, you know, some sort of

1891
01:46:52,040 --> 01:46:54,559
Speaker 9: like Day one or two pick. I mean I think

1892
01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:57,320
Speaker 9: you're maybe a couple of mid round picks or something

1893
01:46:57,400 --> 01:46:59,320
Speaker 9: like that. I mean, if you got a third round pick,

1894
01:46:59,320 --> 01:47:02,960
Speaker 9: you would be thrilled, I feel, to be completely honest.

1895
01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:07,160
Speaker 9: So I don't think people should have unrealistic expectations about that.

1896
01:47:07,439 --> 01:47:10,680
Speaker 9: The trade, in my opinion, would be more about, you know,

1897
01:47:10,760 --> 01:47:15,599
Speaker 9: just moving forward with Daniel Jones and honestly accommodating Anthony Richardson, who,

1898
01:47:15,680 --> 01:47:17,240
Speaker 9: if he's not going to get the job, isn't going

1899
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:17,679
Speaker 9: to want.

1900
01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:17,880
Speaker 3: To be here.

1901
01:47:18,439 --> 01:47:22,400
Speaker 1: Do you think Stephen that the uncertainty Stephen Holder my

1902
01:47:22,400 --> 01:47:24,719
Speaker 1: guest ESPN dot com. He's on the Joba house. Peelum

1903
01:47:24,720 --> 01:47:26,840
Speaker 1: poor guest line, when you try to assess and will

1904
01:47:26,840 --> 01:47:30,479
Speaker 1: begin with Chris Ballard and trying to determine whether or

1905
01:47:30,479 --> 01:47:33,960
Speaker 1: not Chris Ballard returns next year, is there a bigger

1906
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:39,559
Speaker 1: uncertainty of answer because of the validity of which case

1907
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:43,479
Speaker 1: you could spell out either side of it, or because

1908
01:47:43,680 --> 01:47:49,040
Speaker 1: simply we just don't know yet the the motivations and

1909
01:47:49,120 --> 01:47:53,679
Speaker 1: the workings and the operating procedures of Carli ers Gordon.

1910
01:47:56,280 --> 01:47:57,880
Speaker 1: So we don't know.

1911
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Speaker 9: I think on that second point, we don't know entirely

1912
01:48:01,320 --> 01:48:04,120
Speaker 9: what to expect from her. However, I do think we

1913
01:48:04,200 --> 01:48:07,120
Speaker 9: have some pretty good clues. I mean, some of which

1914
01:48:07,120 --> 01:48:09,080
Speaker 9: she has told us in some of which we just

1915
01:48:09,200 --> 01:48:12,400
Speaker 9: know from observing her, or at least me from observing her,

1916
01:48:12,520 --> 01:48:17,080
Speaker 9: and not just this year, for many years observing Carlidan, right.

1917
01:48:17,120 --> 01:48:20,120
Speaker 9: I mean, she didn't just parachute in, you know, six

1918
01:48:20,160 --> 01:48:23,439
Speaker 9: months ago. She's been around for many, many years. I

1919
01:48:23,439 --> 01:48:28,840
Speaker 9: would say that the thing about her is she is very,

1920
01:48:29,479 --> 01:48:34,680
Speaker 9: very methodical. That is the thing that I think I

1921
01:48:34,720 --> 01:48:40,120
Speaker 9: think encapsulates her best. You know, she she is methodical

1922
01:48:40,280 --> 01:48:43,200
Speaker 9: in terms of what she says, in terms of what

1923
01:48:43,280 --> 01:48:46,439
Speaker 9: she does, in terms of decisions.

1924
01:48:45,720 --> 01:48:46,360
Speaker 1: That she makes.

1925
01:48:46,680 --> 01:48:48,960
Speaker 9: All of these things. So I don't think this is

1926
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:52,360
Speaker 9: going to be something where she makes an emotional decision.

1927
01:48:52,360 --> 01:48:54,519
Speaker 9: We lost six or seven in a row. I'm over it,

1928
01:48:54,680 --> 01:48:56,200
Speaker 9: Get out of here, right, That's not what this is

1929
01:48:56,280 --> 01:49:00,320
Speaker 9: going to be. Whatsoever, I can guarantee you that. I

1930
01:49:00,400 --> 01:49:04,960
Speaker 9: will also guarantee you that she has thought and plotted

1931
01:49:05,479 --> 01:49:10,040
Speaker 9: and considered what the next moves would be, depending on

1932
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:13,880
Speaker 9: what comes next, what are the subsequent moves. All of

1933
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:17,599
Speaker 9: that has been considered down to a very granular level,

1934
01:49:17,840 --> 01:49:19,080
Speaker 9: because that's who she is.

1935
01:49:19,320 --> 01:49:20,960
Speaker 1: So whatever she.

1936
01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:23,800
Speaker 9: Decides, not everyone is going to agree with it, but

1937
01:49:23,840 --> 01:49:25,840
Speaker 9: I will tell you it will be well thought out.

1938
01:49:25,880 --> 01:49:27,200
Speaker 1: And I would say that.

1939
01:49:27,240 --> 01:49:30,200
Speaker 9: As much as I respected Jimmiersy a lot, but I

1940
01:49:30,240 --> 01:49:34,880
Speaker 9: do think we have evidence that he sometimes made rash decisions, right,

1941
01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:39,400
Speaker 9: I mean, just Saturday wasn't interiom coach. I would venture

1942
01:49:39,439 --> 01:49:42,400
Speaker 9: to say, Carli Ersa Gordon would never ever, ever ever

1943
01:49:42,479 --> 01:49:46,400
Speaker 9: do that, right. So I just think that's where they're different.

1944
01:49:47,240 --> 01:49:50,120
Speaker 9: She will not make emotional decisions. She will make rational

1945
01:49:50,200 --> 01:49:54,840
Speaker 9: decisions and methodical decisions, whereas her father thought a little

1946
01:49:54,840 --> 01:49:56,439
Speaker 9: more with his heart I think than his head.

1947
01:49:57,200 --> 01:50:00,519
Speaker 1: Okay, Stephen, before we let you go, that we've had

1948
01:50:00,520 --> 01:50:06,600
Speaker 1: this intermittently. We've had fun with it. We we've got

1949
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:11,360
Speaker 1: a chipmunk that's quite frankly imphetomized that runs our computer.

1950
01:50:11,520 --> 01:50:13,599
Speaker 1: We got a chipmunk that he runs on a wheel

1951
01:50:13,640 --> 01:50:16,280
Speaker 1: and it runs our computer force. But occasionally we believe

1952
01:50:16,280 --> 01:50:18,000
Speaker 1: he's hitting the met pipe and he starts running too

1953
01:50:18,040 --> 01:50:20,439
Speaker 1: fast and it speeds things up. So your voice is

1954
01:50:20,479 --> 01:50:22,640
Speaker 1: a little sped up here. Now we've had fun with

1955
01:50:22,760 --> 01:50:25,240
Speaker 1: others doing you follow the Yellow Brick Road and a

1956
01:50:25,280 --> 01:50:27,840
Speaker 1: couple of Alvin and the Chipmunks things. You sound a

1957
01:50:27,840 --> 01:50:30,479
Speaker 1: little like Mickey Mouse right now? Is there any chance

1958
01:50:30,520 --> 01:50:34,799
Speaker 1: we can just get you to say you're in Mickey's

1959
01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:37,479
Speaker 1: fun house? This is Mickey Mouse on the fan. Can

1960
01:50:37,479 --> 01:50:38,640
Speaker 1: we just get you to say that? And just in

1961
01:50:38,680 --> 01:50:40,759
Speaker 1: your normal voice? But I think it'll take care of itself.

1962
01:50:42,439 --> 01:50:45,000
Speaker 9: All right, let me try this here with a straight face.

1963
01:50:47,439 --> 01:50:50,479
Speaker 1: What's THEE? How about simply how about simply m I

1964
01:50:50,600 --> 01:50:56,559
Speaker 1: C K E y you're in Mickey's funhouse. That'll work.

1965
01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:02,599
Speaker 9: I see k U y You're in Mickey's fun house.

1966
01:51:05,120 --> 01:51:09,479
Speaker 1: Was it funhouse or playhouse? Trust me? Either way it works.

1967
01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:13,080
Speaker 1: Believe you me. When you go back and you listen

1968
01:51:13,120 --> 01:51:15,439
Speaker 1: to the podcast, which I know you do. Uh, either

1969
01:51:15,479 --> 01:51:20,040
Speaker 1: one works, I believe, believe me. Okay, Colts Texan's coming

1970
01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:22,439
Speaker 1: up Sunday. Lastly, before we let you go, you know,

1971
01:51:22,520 --> 01:51:25,040
Speaker 1: and we'll get into it a later time more on

1972
01:51:25,160 --> 01:51:27,960
Speaker 1: Ballard and Stichen in futures and that kind of thing.

1973
01:51:28,960 --> 01:51:31,439
Speaker 1: Would you and I guess a two part question, any

1974
01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:34,120
Speaker 1: other curve balls we might see on Sunday and then

1975
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:37,760
Speaker 1: certainty of the future of the franchise. We will know

1976
01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:39,840
Speaker 1: better how long after the game.

1977
01:51:42,200 --> 01:51:46,560
Speaker 9: So I don't know that there are any huge curveballs

1978
01:51:46,720 --> 01:51:50,200
Speaker 9: outside of outside of Leonard. I mean, I think you're

1979
01:51:50,240 --> 01:51:54,760
Speaker 9: gonna see guys like Jonathan Taylor play, you know, most

1980
01:51:54,800 --> 01:51:57,599
Speaker 9: of the other key players who are not hurt. I mean,

1981
01:51:58,000 --> 01:52:00,839
Speaker 9: I can't imagine seeing the sauce gardener out there, for example,

1982
01:52:00,880 --> 01:52:03,840
Speaker 9: when he's got the calf and wants to try to play.

1983
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:06,080
Speaker 9: Maybe if he can, But I can't see what the

1984
01:52:06,080 --> 01:52:08,080
Speaker 9: point of that would be. So I think, yeah, I

1985
01:52:08,080 --> 01:52:10,679
Speaker 9: think we can kind of predict what the lineup will

1986
01:52:10,720 --> 01:52:15,920
Speaker 9: look like outside of Leonard in terms of the time

1987
01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:20,920
Speaker 9: frame after that. That's a that's a complete unknown, complete unknown.

1988
01:52:20,960 --> 01:52:24,320
Speaker 9: I will say, I do think it was notable that

1989
01:52:24,439 --> 01:52:29,360
Speaker 9: last year. Jim Merci say put out that statement literally

1990
01:52:29,439 --> 01:52:33,240
Speaker 9: the night of the season finale, right after during that

1991
01:52:33,240 --> 01:52:35,519
Speaker 9: snowstorm that I got caught in. If you're a call

1992
01:52:36,040 --> 01:52:39,479
Speaker 9: after the Week eighteen game, you put out that the

1993
01:52:39,520 --> 01:52:44,120
Speaker 9: statement that he was retaining Chris Vallad and Shane Stiken,

1994
01:52:44,760 --> 01:52:46,599
Speaker 9: and so there was no you know, there was no

1995
01:52:46,640 --> 01:52:51,559
Speaker 9: consternation about that. Whether they will proceed similarly, I don't know.

1996
01:52:51,640 --> 01:52:55,439
Speaker 9: I have no expectation whatsoever because there's nothing to base

1997
01:52:55,479 --> 01:52:58,920
Speaker 9: it on. So I do think though, I will say

1998
01:52:59,360 --> 01:53:03,240
Speaker 9: I do think whatever they're going to do, you have

1999
01:53:03,320 --> 01:53:06,040
Speaker 9: to think they know, you know what I mean, Like

2000
01:53:06,520 --> 01:53:08,760
Speaker 9: this thing, we were headed this way for a while.

2001
01:53:08,760 --> 01:53:10,679
Speaker 9: We have we lived and headed this way for a while.

2002
01:53:11,320 --> 01:53:14,960
Speaker 9: And so in terms of this season, the results of

2003
01:53:14,960 --> 01:53:17,080
Speaker 9: this season, right, I know, they just got eliminated, but

2004
01:53:17,320 --> 01:53:21,720
Speaker 9: the odds were always against them, right, and and so

2005
01:53:21,800 --> 01:53:23,560
Speaker 9: I and I don't even think that's what this is

2006
01:53:23,600 --> 01:53:24,400
Speaker 9: going to come down to.

2007
01:53:24,439 --> 01:53:24,479
Speaker 5: You.

2008
01:53:25,160 --> 01:53:28,120
Speaker 9: I think this is a long term decision based on

2009
01:53:28,600 --> 01:53:30,800
Speaker 9: a preponderance of lots of different things.

2010
01:53:31,040 --> 01:53:32,639
Speaker 3: So we'll see what they do.

2011
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:34,559
Speaker 9: But I think they I think they probably have a

2012
01:53:34,640 --> 01:53:36,280
Speaker 9: very good idea of where this is going.

2013
01:53:37,720 --> 01:53:40,280
Speaker 1: You know, preponderance is a really big word for Mickey Mouse.

2014
01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:41,880
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie to you like it's which is

2015
01:53:41,920 --> 01:53:44,680
Speaker 1: kind of fun. Can we just one last time? How

2016
01:53:44,720 --> 01:53:47,680
Speaker 1: about this? Just simply go M I c k E

2017
01:53:47,840 --> 01:53:49,800
Speaker 1: y m O U s e. Can we get that

2018
01:53:49,840 --> 01:53:50,280
Speaker 1: real quick?

2019
01:53:51,680 --> 01:53:57,880
Speaker 9: Why are you doing this to me? Uh? M I

2020
01:53:57,920 --> 01:54:01,519
Speaker 9: c k E y m O U s E. I

2021
01:54:02,080 --> 01:54:04,320
Speaker 9: worked for listen, I worked for the Mouse company.

2022
01:54:04,400 --> 01:54:08,679
Speaker 1: Right, that's You're obligated, Steven, You have no choice, right,

2023
01:54:09,000 --> 01:54:10,840
Speaker 1: You're Why the.

2024
01:54:10,760 --> 01:54:13,280
Speaker 9: Hell did I do that?

2025
01:54:13,680 --> 01:54:17,320
Speaker 1: Hearing Mickey us profanity is also outstanding? All right, Steven,

2026
01:54:17,400 --> 01:54:19,560
Speaker 1: appreciate it?

2027
01:54:19,640 --> 01:54:24,280
Speaker 2: All right, you got it, Stephen Steven Holder.

2028
01:54:24,720 --> 01:54:27,600
Speaker 1: Uh and by the way, his Miami Hurricanes now representing

2029
01:54:27,640 --> 01:54:29,839
Speaker 1: the world as they take on the Ohio State University.

2030
01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:31,679
Speaker 1: When is that Ohio State Miami game? That's tomorrow?

2031
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:34,840
Speaker 3: Right? That is on New Year's Day and that will

2032
01:54:34,840 --> 01:54:37,640
Speaker 3: be on the fan as that is tomorrow.

2033
01:54:37,800 --> 01:54:38,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's New Year's Eve.

2034
01:54:38,880 --> 01:54:39,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, New Year's Eve tomorrow.

2035
01:54:40,240 --> 01:54:44,640
Speaker 1: You see the video of Ohio State arriving. Which where

2036
01:54:44,680 --> 01:54:47,480
Speaker 1: are they playing that game? Which one is that? That

2037
01:54:47,640 --> 01:54:49,080
Speaker 1: is one of those Bowl games?

2038
01:54:49,160 --> 01:54:49,360
Speaker 3: Jake?

2039
01:54:49,600 --> 01:54:54,160
Speaker 1: Are they in so the Peach Bowl. That would be

2040
01:54:54,240 --> 01:54:56,000
Speaker 1: the Cotton Bowl. I was going to say, I thought

2041
01:54:56,000 --> 01:54:58,520
Speaker 1: they were in Dallas. I saw video of Ohio State

2042
01:54:58,520 --> 01:55:00,040
Speaker 1: getting off their bus, and there was a guy just

2043
01:55:00,080 --> 01:55:03,040
Speaker 1: standing there for every single player that came up the bus, saying,

2044
01:55:04,120 --> 01:55:06,480
Speaker 1: Indiana already beat you. You're gonna get beat like you did.

2045
01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:08,600
Speaker 1: Indiana's gona theyre gonna beat you like Indiana did. You're

2046
01:55:08,600 --> 01:55:11,000
Speaker 1: gonna lose again like you did to Indiana. And finally

2047
01:55:11,040 --> 01:55:12,840
Speaker 1: some assistant coach came up and goes, hey, man, what's

2048
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:15,960
Speaker 1: your problem, No, no problem, I just want to know

2049
01:55:15,960 --> 01:55:18,920
Speaker 1: if they're gonna lose like they did to Indiana. I

2050
01:55:18,920 --> 01:55:21,440
Speaker 1: think the guy and actually I think the guy said

2051
01:55:21,440 --> 01:55:23,680
Speaker 1: he's an Oregon fan, he's not even a Miami fan.

2052
01:55:24,920 --> 01:55:28,560
Speaker 1: But I have a feeling, of any of the college

2053
01:55:28,560 --> 01:55:35,160
Speaker 1: football playoff games remaining, it feels like the Miami Ohio

2054
01:55:35,160 --> 01:55:38,320
Speaker 1: State game may be the most lopsided. Right, I don't

2055
01:55:38,360 --> 01:55:40,480
Speaker 1: know much about it, So which one do you think?

2056
01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:42,720
Speaker 1: Let me guess? Hold on, you got so here are

2057
01:55:42,720 --> 01:55:44,480
Speaker 1: the matchups, and then you tell me which one you

2058
01:55:44,480 --> 01:55:47,280
Speaker 1: think could be most lopsided. You've got Indiana, Alabama, You've

2059
01:55:47,280 --> 01:55:53,000
Speaker 1: got Miami, Ohio State, Texas Tech, and Oregon. Who am

2060
01:55:53,000 --> 01:55:55,360
Speaker 1: I missing on the other side? Georgia, ole Miss, Georgia

2061
01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:58,920
Speaker 1: ole Miss. Is that the last one? Yeah, it's just

2062
01:55:59,080 --> 01:56:02,440
Speaker 1: US four. Which one that would be the most lopsided?

2063
01:56:04,240 --> 01:56:06,640
Speaker 3: I think I think Georgia ole Miss.

2064
01:56:06,960 --> 01:56:08,360
Speaker 1: I think Georgia could be.

2065
01:56:08,920 --> 01:56:12,400
Speaker 3: A little lopsided. Okay, also don't rule out the quack Cranck.

2066
01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:16,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know anything about Texas Tech exactly. I

2067
01:56:16,720 --> 01:56:18,840
Speaker 1: think they're very good defensively from that, but I mean,

2068
01:56:19,080 --> 01:56:22,160
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know anything more than that. I

2069
01:56:22,240 --> 01:56:23,080
Speaker 1: do think that.

2070
01:56:23,800 --> 01:56:28,560
Speaker 2: I'm also curious to see how like Texas Tech, Indiana, Georgia,

2071
01:56:28,600 --> 01:56:33,400
Speaker 2: Ohio State all start because those games last week, most

2072
01:56:33,440 --> 01:56:35,680
Speaker 2: of them all struggled out of the gate, right with

2073
01:56:35,800 --> 01:56:39,080
Speaker 2: that extended time off against teams Yeah last year between

2074
01:56:39,080 --> 01:56:41,200
Speaker 2: the layoffs, right, Yeah, no, nobody who had to buy

2075
01:56:41,320 --> 01:56:41,920
Speaker 2: last year one?

2076
01:56:42,520 --> 01:56:48,280
Speaker 1: Right. I think Georgia, I think is really good. I

2077
01:56:48,520 --> 01:56:50,560
Speaker 1: think that we've kind of slept on Georgia because there's

2078
01:56:50,600 --> 01:56:53,839
Speaker 1: been so much especially here locally, between Ohio State and Indiana.

2079
01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:56,520
Speaker 1: Georgia is the one that's like they kind of feel

2080
01:56:56,560 --> 01:56:58,640
Speaker 1: like they're just kind of laying in the weeds.

2081
01:56:58,320 --> 01:57:02,400
Speaker 3: There in the back. Huh lurking in the background.

2082
01:57:03,040 --> 01:57:06,440
Speaker 1: That is correct. I really enjoyed the Mickey Mouse Do

2083
01:57:06,480 --> 01:57:08,280
Speaker 1: we happen to have that from Steven? Can we compare

2084
01:57:08,320 --> 01:57:09,960
Speaker 1: that to some of the others, because he did a

2085
01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:12,360
Speaker 1: solid job of which was better? Which of the two

2086
01:57:12,400 --> 01:57:16,000
Speaker 1: clips was better, the funhouse clip or the spelling out

2087
01:57:16,000 --> 01:57:19,360
Speaker 1: Mickey Mouse clip. I feel like k E Y m

2088
01:57:19,400 --> 01:57:19,960
Speaker 1: O U s E.

2089
01:57:21,560 --> 01:57:24,440
Speaker 9: I worked for Hey, listen, I work for the Mouse company.

2090
01:57:24,480 --> 01:57:29,120
Speaker 1: Right, you're obligated, Steven. You have no solid is it not?

2091
01:57:30,640 --> 01:57:33,360
Speaker 9: Why the hell did I do that?

2092
01:57:33,800 --> 01:57:36,360
Speaker 1: Hearing Mickey use profanities? Also, I think he got a

2093
01:57:36,400 --> 01:57:41,400
Speaker 1: hold of some tainted cheese. Did you say that we

2094
01:57:41,400 --> 01:57:44,280
Speaker 1: we are or are not going to go back to Pasadena?

2095
01:57:44,720 --> 01:57:46,360
Speaker 3: This is a champion bearer. Give me a huk.

2096
01:57:49,560 --> 01:57:54,040
Speaker 9: If me humiliating myself like that made your day, than fine.

2097
01:57:57,240 --> 01:58:00,440
Speaker 2: Yes we are going, uh we are not ten going

2098
01:58:00,440 --> 01:58:04,400
Speaker 2: out into Pasadena just yet. This person will be in

2099
01:58:04,480 --> 01:58:05,480
Speaker 2: the airport.

2100
01:58:05,040 --> 01:58:12,000
Speaker 1: Though, Jake, on their way to Pasadena. Right. Fascinating. You

2101
01:58:12,040 --> 01:58:15,760
Speaker 1: know what's a fun game to play? Trying to determine

2102
01:58:17,440 --> 01:58:22,160
Speaker 1: whether or not two four seven Sports is flying direct

2103
01:58:22,400 --> 01:58:25,800
Speaker 1: or with layover the flight will be on their way

2104
01:58:26,160 --> 01:58:28,320
Speaker 1: via what city or is it a direct flight you think?

2105
01:58:30,800 --> 01:58:32,400
Speaker 1: But we will talk to somebody that's going to be

2106
01:58:32,440 --> 01:58:37,320
Speaker 1: covering the Rose Bowl next California, indeed the place to be.

2107
01:58:37,680 --> 01:58:40,240
Speaker 1: Don Fisher was on with us earlier said that it

2108
01:58:40,360 --> 01:58:48,080
Speaker 1: is overcast there, but that is not necessarily a bad thing,

2109
01:58:48,120 --> 01:58:50,280
Speaker 1: because I do believe and I know that I'm probably

2110
01:58:50,280 --> 01:58:52,160
Speaker 1: crazy when I say this if it is a rain

2111
01:58:52,320 --> 01:58:55,720
Speaker 1: soaked Rose Bowl, and I don't know that it's supposed

2112
01:58:55,720 --> 01:58:58,080
Speaker 1: to rain during the game itself, but I think all

2113
01:58:58,160 --> 01:59:01,040
Speaker 1: leading up to it, I think rain may favor Indiana

2114
01:59:01,080 --> 01:59:03,960
Speaker 1: because Alabama does not run the ball well, which is

2115
01:59:04,080 --> 01:59:07,080
Speaker 1: weird to say about Alabama, but they are a past

2116
01:59:07,120 --> 01:59:09,839
Speaker 1: first team and that might be advantage Indiana, who feels

2117
01:59:09,880 --> 01:59:12,400
Speaker 1: like they are more balanced offensively. But a guy who

2118
01:59:12,480 --> 01:59:14,960
Speaker 1: joins us now on the Java House peelupboard guest line.

2119
01:59:15,120 --> 01:59:17,320
Speaker 1: You can read his work with peaks dot com also

2120
01:59:17,480 --> 01:59:20,760
Speaker 1: with two four seven, twenty four to seven sports, whichever

2121
01:59:20,800 --> 01:59:24,960
Speaker 1: way you would like to use that numerical combination. Matt

2122
01:59:25,000 --> 01:59:27,520
Speaker 1: Weaver joining us on the program, and Matt, you are

2123
01:59:27,640 --> 01:59:29,839
Speaker 1: on your way to Pasadena? Is that correct?

2124
01:59:31,520 --> 01:59:34,040
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm in a terminal b here at the airport.

2125
01:59:34,880 --> 01:59:37,800
Speaker 10: I'm gonna be bored in about twenty three minutes.

2126
01:59:37,800 --> 01:59:41,760
Speaker 1: Okay, you are flying direct or you're going through a city,

2127
01:59:41,800 --> 01:59:43,560
Speaker 1: and if it's through a city, we're gonna guess it.

2128
01:59:43,640 --> 01:59:45,400
Speaker 1: Or are you flying direct?

2129
01:59:45,600 --> 01:59:48,120
Speaker 10: I'm actually going through two cities. One of them I

2130
01:59:48,120 --> 01:59:49,760
Speaker 10: don't get off the plane. One of them I don't

2131
01:59:49,760 --> 01:59:50,360
Speaker 10: get off the plane.

2132
01:59:50,400 --> 01:59:54,400
Speaker 1: So you're flying southwest? Is that right? Yeah? I'm going

2133
01:59:54,440 --> 01:59:57,600
Speaker 1: to go that. You're going through Dallas and Vegas.

2134
01:59:59,200 --> 02:00:01,560
Speaker 10: You got the second one, right, but not the first one.

2135
02:00:02,080 --> 02:00:03,000
Speaker 1: Where's the first one?

2136
02:00:04,040 --> 02:00:04,520
Speaker 10: Phoenix?

2137
02:00:05,080 --> 02:00:06,920
Speaker 1: And you're not getting off the plane in Phoenix, or

2138
02:00:06,920 --> 02:00:09,160
Speaker 1: you're not getting off the plane in Vegas.

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Speaker 10: I'm not getting off the plane in Phoenix. Like a

2140
02:00:11,560 --> 02:00:14,160
Speaker 10: forty minute layover. I'm guessing some people will get off

2141
02:00:14,160 --> 02:00:16,320
Speaker 10: and some people will get on or there, and then

2142
02:00:16,320 --> 02:00:19,160
Speaker 10: why did they get to have a fifteen minute layover

2143
02:00:19,200 --> 02:00:20,080
Speaker 10: and then from there.

2144
02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:21,080
Speaker 5: To La All right?

2145
02:00:21,080 --> 02:00:23,160
Speaker 1: Fair enough. There's nothing more sad, by the way than

2146
02:00:23,640 --> 02:00:26,640
Speaker 1: the lady with a one ten slim cigarette, of which

2147
02:00:26,640 --> 02:00:28,560
Speaker 1: one hundred of it is ash, that is sitting there

2148
02:00:28,600 --> 02:00:32,520
Speaker 1: pulling like three levers in the Vegas airport during her

2149
02:00:32,520 --> 02:00:35,640
Speaker 1: twenty eight minute delay. But nonetheless, all right, Mat, let's

2150
02:00:35,680 --> 02:00:40,000
Speaker 1: get to this Indiana Alabama, the you know, from an

2151
02:00:40,040 --> 02:00:44,080
Speaker 1: Indiana standpoint, let's start with health. We talked about this

2152
02:00:44,160 --> 02:00:46,880
Speaker 1: with Don a little bit earlier, but the latest of

2153
02:00:46,960 --> 02:00:49,800
Speaker 1: where things stand from Indiana from a health standpoint, and

2154
02:00:49,840 --> 02:00:53,240
Speaker 1: is there anybody surprising that might have popped up on

2155
02:00:53,280 --> 02:00:55,440
Speaker 1: the injury report that is of question for Indiana.

2156
02:00:57,080 --> 02:01:00,879
Speaker 10: No, I mean, I think they had four guys. Obviously

2157
02:01:00,920 --> 02:01:04,000
Speaker 10: the two you know, obviously the Stephen Daily thing. Everybody

2158
02:01:04,080 --> 02:01:06,720
Speaker 10: kind of knew that right after the Big Ten Championship.

2159
02:01:07,240 --> 02:01:13,120
Speaker 10: Kellen Wlyott's been out since like October. In terms of

2160
02:01:13,160 --> 02:01:15,680
Speaker 10: bryceon Bonds was another one. There's a fourth one has

2161
02:01:15,680 --> 02:01:17,840
Speaker 10: an escaped in my mind, but it wasn't funny. I

2162
02:01:17,840 --> 02:01:21,280
Speaker 10: don't think he played a lot. Brendan Frankian probable, I

2163
02:01:21,280 --> 02:01:23,720
Speaker 10: think is a pleasant surprise. I wondered if he was

2164
02:01:23,720 --> 02:01:25,280
Speaker 10: going to be able to come back, and people say, well,

2165
02:01:25,320 --> 02:01:26,840
Speaker 10: he's just a kickoff guy. Well he's a really good

2166
02:01:26,920 --> 02:01:30,240
Speaker 10: kickoff guy. Like basically, teams don't return kickoffs when he's

2167
02:01:30,280 --> 02:01:32,440
Speaker 10: out there, and that's a big weapon to have, especially

2168
02:01:32,480 --> 02:01:34,280
Speaker 10: you know you're playing to getst a team like Bama

2169
02:01:34,560 --> 02:01:37,440
Speaker 10: with their speed athleticism. You know, anytime you can keep

2170
02:01:37,480 --> 02:01:39,240
Speaker 10: them from touching the ball and running with it is

2171
02:01:39,280 --> 02:01:42,240
Speaker 10: obviously a positive. So if he's able to kick and

2172
02:01:42,280 --> 02:01:44,240
Speaker 10: he's back to his old self, that's that's a nice

2173
02:01:44,480 --> 02:01:45,800
Speaker 10: that'd be a nice addition for IU.

2174
02:01:46,160 --> 02:01:49,440
Speaker 1: Is there anything that you got indication map from Kurt

2175
02:01:49,520 --> 02:01:54,000
Speaker 1: Signetti or uncovering this that Indiana looks at with Alabama

2176
02:01:54,280 --> 02:01:57,200
Speaker 1: and sees maybe some sort of an achilles that Indiana

2177
02:01:57,840 --> 02:02:00,480
Speaker 1: creates a new wrinkle to exploit or or are we at

2178
02:02:00,480 --> 02:02:02,320
Speaker 1: the point of the year now where it is this

2179
02:02:02,400 --> 02:02:04,320
Speaker 1: is who we are and this is what we do.

2180
02:02:05,840 --> 02:02:09,120
Speaker 10: Well, you're always you're obviously always looking for every little

2181
02:02:09,160 --> 02:02:10,840
Speaker 10: advantage you can get. I think you know, I mean,

2182
02:02:10,840 --> 02:02:12,760
Speaker 10: Brian Haynes kind of said it when we talked to him.

2183
02:02:13,160 --> 02:02:14,680
Speaker 10: You're kind of the point where you just do what

2184
02:02:14,720 --> 02:02:16,840
Speaker 10: you do now, you're still going to try to I

2185
02:02:16,840 --> 02:02:19,000
Speaker 10: mean Brian Haynes, and both on both sides of the ball,

2186
02:02:19,040 --> 02:02:22,600
Speaker 10: they're they're so good at attacking the weakness or finding

2187
02:02:22,600 --> 02:02:24,600
Speaker 10: the weakness and then exploiting it on the other team.

2188
02:02:24,800 --> 02:02:28,040
Speaker 10: And obviously there everybody has a weakness, even Indiana undefeated

2189
02:02:28,080 --> 02:02:30,760
Speaker 10: has weaknesses. I mean, nobody's perfect. They just have a

2190
02:02:30,760 --> 02:02:33,680
Speaker 10: lot less weaknesses than everybody else. And they do a

2191
02:02:33,720 --> 02:02:35,800
Speaker 10: great job of not letting people, you know, kind of

2192
02:02:35,920 --> 02:02:38,120
Speaker 10: get to them or exploit them. So, you know, I

2193
02:02:38,120 --> 02:02:41,600
Speaker 10: think on you defentively. I heard what you said before

2194
02:02:41,600 --> 02:02:42,920
Speaker 10: I got on. I do I agree with you. I

2195
02:02:42,960 --> 02:02:45,560
Speaker 10: think rain is a benefit Indiana. I think there's a

2196
02:02:45,560 --> 02:02:49,000
Speaker 10: better running team. Alabama's really struggled to run the ball.

2197
02:02:49,080 --> 02:02:50,680
Speaker 10: Now you know, they can still do other things. The

2198
02:02:50,720 --> 02:02:53,360
Speaker 10: bores offense. They do a lot of quick passes to receivers.

2199
02:02:53,800 --> 02:02:56,360
Speaker 10: But I do think weather favors Indiana. But I think,

2200
02:02:56,400 --> 02:02:58,480
Speaker 10: you know, if you can get them into some second

2201
02:02:58,480 --> 02:03:01,280
Speaker 10: and third and long unfavorable the behind the change kind

2202
02:03:01,280 --> 02:03:05,440
Speaker 10: of distances. You know, even without Wyatt, I'm sorry, without

2203
02:03:05,640 --> 02:03:08,360
Speaker 10: uh Stephen Daily and tell the Whyatt. You know, those

2204
02:03:08,360 --> 02:03:10,040
Speaker 10: two two of their best pass rushers. I still think

2205
02:03:10,080 --> 02:03:12,000
Speaker 10: you can get some pressure on him Yount they have,

2206
02:03:12,200 --> 02:03:14,760
Speaker 10: you know, hopefully I get tied Senson into some mistakes.

2207
02:03:14,800 --> 02:03:17,440
Speaker 10: But and then offensively, like I said, you know, I

2208
02:03:17,520 --> 02:03:19,840
Speaker 10: think I think Indiana so balanced. I just think they'll

2209
02:03:19,840 --> 02:03:21,840
Speaker 10: take whatever Alabama gives them if they want them to

2210
02:03:21,920 --> 02:03:23,800
Speaker 10: if they if they if they played back, then they'll

2211
02:03:23,840 --> 02:03:25,760
Speaker 10: run the ball if they're playing up, and then you know,

2212
02:03:25,880 --> 02:03:27,720
Speaker 10: I think they'll steemen does are throwing the ball, you know,

2213
02:03:27,800 --> 02:03:29,800
Speaker 10: on the field. Of course, weather we'll play a part,

2214
02:03:29,840 --> 02:03:32,360
Speaker 10: but I think offensively they'll just do whatever they whatever

2215
02:03:32,520 --> 02:03:34,600
Speaker 10: the you know, Alabama showing them they can.

2216
02:03:34,560 --> 02:03:38,960
Speaker 1: Do is their concern or have you seen any reason

2217
02:03:39,040 --> 02:03:44,080
Speaker 1: to be concerned that the moment may suddenly kind of

2218
02:03:44,120 --> 02:03:45,160
Speaker 1: sweep up Indiana?

2219
02:03:46,840 --> 02:03:48,560
Speaker 10: You know, I don't think so. I think last year

2220
02:03:48,560 --> 02:03:50,040
Speaker 10: that was probably a little bit of it. And they

2221
02:03:50,080 --> 02:03:52,720
Speaker 10: were they were for you know, that team. They had

2222
02:03:52,720 --> 02:03:55,240
Speaker 10: a good year last year, you know, but they that

2223
02:03:55,320 --> 02:03:57,560
Speaker 10: was the first time any of those guys pretty much

2224
02:03:57,800 --> 02:04:00,520
Speaker 10: had ever been in that kind of situation, you know.

2225
02:04:00,520 --> 02:04:01,400
Speaker 10: And I know they have to be a lot of

2226
02:04:01,440 --> 02:04:03,560
Speaker 10: new faces, but you know, the key guys on this

2227
02:04:03,720 --> 02:04:06,560
Speaker 10: team have played in these types of games, and they

2228
02:04:06,600 --> 02:04:09,040
Speaker 10: played on the biggest stages, you know. And I mean, like,

2229
02:04:09,360 --> 02:04:11,640
Speaker 10: you know, if they were gonna get swept up at something,

2230
02:04:11,640 --> 02:04:12,920
Speaker 10: I would have thought it might be like the Big

2231
02:04:12,960 --> 02:04:15,800
Speaker 10: Ten Championship, playing in your backyard, you're going to get

2232
02:04:15,880 --> 02:04:17,720
Speaker 10: the team yet and beaten since you know, what is

2233
02:04:17,760 --> 02:04:21,520
Speaker 10: it the late eighties, and so you know, I think

2234
02:04:21,560 --> 02:04:23,720
Speaker 10: they've shown that. The otherwise is there gonna be some

2235
02:04:23,800 --> 02:04:25,600
Speaker 10: nerves and startup shore. There will be will there'll be

2236
02:04:25,720 --> 02:04:28,200
Speaker 10: some russ. I mean they haven't played since well it December,

2237
02:04:28,680 --> 02:04:30,760
Speaker 10: that game December sixth, I think against the Hot State,

2238
02:04:30,840 --> 02:04:33,360
Speaker 10: so you're talking almost a month. I mean literally almost

2239
02:04:33,400 --> 02:04:36,320
Speaker 10: a month. So there's there's probably good and and uh,

2240
02:04:36,360 --> 02:04:38,760
Speaker 10: you know obviously Alabama played more recently, so there'll probably

2241
02:04:38,760 --> 02:04:40,880
Speaker 10: be some runs, some nerves, but I think they'll settle in.

2242
02:04:40,920 --> 02:04:43,600
Speaker 10: This is a veteran team with the great leadership Aiden Fisher,

2243
02:04:43,640 --> 02:04:46,120
Speaker 10: Pat Coogan, Mendoza, you go on down the list. This

2244
02:04:46,200 --> 02:04:50,360
Speaker 10: is a really veteran team that they're just very business

2245
02:04:50,440 --> 02:04:51,880
Speaker 10: like it. So I don't think they'll get caught up

2246
02:04:51,920 --> 02:04:53,360
Speaker 10: in the moment. I think they'll be fine with that.

2247
02:04:53,800 --> 02:04:58,440
Speaker 1: Okay. Lastly, Matt, the one thing that is of interest,

2248
02:04:58,440 --> 02:05:00,480
Speaker 1: I won't say concern, but of interest to me, and

2249
02:05:00,520 --> 02:05:02,040
Speaker 1: I want you to tell me if you think I'm

2250
02:05:02,120 --> 02:05:05,440
Speaker 1: overthinking it, and that is that if Indiana is to

2251
02:05:05,480 --> 02:05:07,760
Speaker 1: win a national championship, which I mean they're the number

2252
02:05:07,760 --> 02:05:10,640
Speaker 1: one seed, right, they're going to have to play three

2253
02:05:10,720 --> 02:05:15,280
Speaker 1: consecutive weeks against three consecutive very deep and strong teams,

2254
02:05:15,320 --> 02:05:17,600
Speaker 1: regardless of who it is, and they have the two

2255
02:05:17,640 --> 02:05:20,240
Speaker 1: best wins in college football right now, but they didn't

2256
02:05:20,280 --> 02:05:23,120
Speaker 1: have to do it week after week after week. Does

2257
02:05:23,200 --> 02:05:26,800
Speaker 1: Indiana have the depth to be able to go up

2258
02:05:26,840 --> 02:05:31,080
Speaker 1: against a blue blood three weeks in that is also

2259
02:05:31,160 --> 02:05:34,080
Speaker 1: going into their third game in three weeks and has

2260
02:05:34,520 --> 02:05:36,080
Speaker 1: better depth on their roster.

2261
02:05:37,440 --> 02:05:39,240
Speaker 10: No, I think that's a great point, and I think

2262
02:05:39,320 --> 02:05:42,680
Speaker 10: I don't think you're overthinking that at all. And do

2263
02:05:43,080 --> 02:05:45,000
Speaker 10: I think they can do it? Yeah, we won't know

2264
02:05:45,120 --> 02:05:47,400
Speaker 10: for sure. I mean there are some spots, and obviously

2265
02:05:47,440 --> 02:05:49,880
Speaker 10: now DeAnda is the same spot. I mean, you're down

2266
02:05:49,960 --> 02:05:53,160
Speaker 10: to McCaul kamara, and I mean I'm not sure who

2267
02:05:53,200 --> 02:05:56,080
Speaker 10: the other guys will be. Maybe in Dukeway, maybe they

2268
02:05:56,120 --> 02:05:58,879
Speaker 10: put me at Mario Landino. But no matter what, you've

2269
02:05:58,920 --> 02:06:01,600
Speaker 10: lost two really good players, and your depth is taking

2270
02:06:01,600 --> 02:06:04,080
Speaker 10: a hit, and and if you have any more injuries

2271
02:06:04,120 --> 02:06:05,960
Speaker 10: than some other spots, you know it could be tough.

2272
02:06:06,040 --> 02:06:09,120
Speaker 10: Especially like you said, there's no there's no every other week,

2273
02:06:09,200 --> 02:06:11,480
Speaker 10: there's no bye weeks. Now you're gonna be playing. If

2274
02:06:11,520 --> 02:06:13,400
Speaker 10: you win now, you play well, the night and you'll

2275
02:06:13,480 --> 02:06:15,240
Speaker 10: get like ten days. I think the National champions is

2276
02:06:15,240 --> 02:06:17,400
Speaker 10: the nineteenth. Maybe get a little bit more time, but

2277
02:06:17,480 --> 02:06:19,520
Speaker 10: still it's basically week after week after week. So yeah,

2278
02:06:19,560 --> 02:06:21,720
Speaker 10: I think you make a great point and we'll find out.

2279
02:06:21,760 --> 02:06:24,000
Speaker 10: I think they have the depth, but this is where

2280
02:06:24,000 --> 02:06:26,040
Speaker 10: this is where it's gonna get tested for sure. If

2281
02:06:26,040 --> 02:06:28,000
Speaker 10: they make a run here and they have a great

2282
02:06:28,000 --> 02:06:29,920
Speaker 10: straight coach and Derek Owen, if you got this team

2283
02:06:29,960 --> 02:06:33,200
Speaker 10: physically ready to play, so I think that I think

2284
02:06:33,200 --> 02:06:35,280
Speaker 10: they can do it, but you never know. Injuries are

2285
02:06:35,360 --> 02:06:37,520
Speaker 10: the uncontrollable, you know, you just there's nothing you can

2286
02:06:37,560 --> 02:06:40,120
Speaker 10: do about them. And if those crop up, then obviously

2287
02:06:40,120 --> 02:06:41,720
Speaker 10: that could throw a monkey wrench into everything.

2288
02:06:42,440 --> 02:06:44,920
Speaker 1: Uh did you pay for the early bird boarding delio?

2289
02:06:45,080 --> 02:06:46,760
Speaker 1: By the way?

2290
02:06:47,040 --> 02:06:49,800
Speaker 10: Uh, I think I'm like, is it I'm in.

2291
02:06:49,880 --> 02:06:52,240
Speaker 1: B I'm gonna say you're B six. I'm gonna say

2292
02:06:52,240 --> 02:06:53,840
Speaker 1: you're B six. What number do you got? B what?

2293
02:06:54,960 --> 02:06:56,080
Speaker 10: I think I'm gonna be B two?

2294
02:06:56,600 --> 02:06:59,200
Speaker 1: Oh? Nice? Yeah, you're fine. Your your your window or

2295
02:06:59,240 --> 02:07:01,360
Speaker 1: I mean you're not middle seat. You're good. You're good.

2296
02:07:01,800 --> 02:07:03,120
Speaker 10: So I think I'll be too.

2297
02:07:03,280 --> 02:07:06,000
Speaker 1: So I mean, if people get off the plane in Phoenix,

2298
02:07:06,080 --> 02:07:07,600
Speaker 1: get up and start throwing your elbows around. You know

2299
02:07:07,600 --> 02:07:09,920
Speaker 1: what I mean, festival seating, I mean most of it,

2300
02:07:10,520 --> 02:07:13,160
Speaker 1: matt we appreciate the time short notice. I realized safe

2301
02:07:13,200 --> 02:07:15,640
Speaker 1: travels by all means, and we'll be reading the coverage

2302
02:07:15,800 --> 02:07:18,280
Speaker 1: at twenty four to seven and peaks of the Rose

2303
02:07:18,320 --> 02:07:20,920
Speaker 1: Bowl between Indiana and Alabama. Certainly appreciate it.

2304
02:07:21,720 --> 02:07:23,520
Speaker 10: Okay, thanks, you guys, have a great new year.

2305
02:07:23,600 --> 02:07:26,160
Speaker 1: Appreciate it you too, Matthew Weaver joining us on the

2306
02:07:26,240 --> 02:07:28,840
Speaker 1: Java House Peel and poor guest line. I noticed the

2307
02:07:28,840 --> 02:07:31,560
Speaker 1: helium tanks stayed out on that one, Eddie right.

2308
02:07:31,920 --> 02:07:35,960
Speaker 3: Not so sure, Jake just might not have been as obvious.

2309
02:07:36,480 --> 02:07:40,640
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough. So Eddie told me yesterday, or told

2310
02:07:40,680 --> 02:07:44,080
Speaker 1: me that tomorrow, and he just informed me of this today.

2311
02:07:44,120 --> 02:07:48,960
Speaker 1: Now I'd like to know tomorrow's basically a half day

2312
02:07:49,000 --> 02:07:53,000
Speaker 1: for us, because we're on until two thirty. Pacers take over.

2313
02:07:52,920 --> 02:07:53,520
Speaker 3: At that point.

2314
02:07:53,640 --> 02:07:56,600
Speaker 1: J and B will have no show tomorrow, so we're

2315
02:07:56,600 --> 02:07:59,160
Speaker 1: on twelve to two thirty. Eddie's got to be in

2316
02:07:59,200 --> 02:08:01,680
Speaker 1: here at two thirty to take over the pacer game anyway,

2317
02:08:02,000 --> 02:08:04,160
Speaker 1: and he went ahead and takes a day off. Now,

2318
02:08:04,200 --> 02:08:06,680
Speaker 1: what I want to know is since you're doing the

2319
02:08:06,720 --> 02:08:09,680
Speaker 1: pacer game, does that count as a work day? Did

2320
02:08:09,680 --> 02:08:11,720
Speaker 1: you do you get like a half a vacation day?

2321
02:08:11,760 --> 02:08:12,520
Speaker 1: How does this work?

2322
02:08:13,640 --> 02:08:16,280
Speaker 3: It's a vacation day, it's a pt O day.

2323
02:08:17,240 --> 02:08:18,960
Speaker 1: It's a pt O day, but you're in here. Why

2324
02:08:19,000 --> 02:08:20,520
Speaker 1: would you burn a PTO day on a day that

2325
02:08:20,520 --> 02:08:21,800
Speaker 1: you've got to be in here two hours later?

2326
02:08:21,800 --> 02:08:24,080
Speaker 3: Anyway, we can discuss it off Aojake.

2327
02:08:26,040 --> 02:08:27,400
Speaker 1: That that seems to be.

2328
02:08:29,800 --> 02:08:30,400
Speaker 7: Like a.

2329
02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:34,919
Speaker 1: What's the word I'm looking for? Not great clock management?

2330
02:08:35,000 --> 02:08:39,040
Speaker 1: Like you burnt a time out? Right? Did you did

2331
02:08:39,080 --> 02:08:44,160
Speaker 1: you throw your your flag to challenge a play and

2332
02:08:44,200 --> 02:08:47,880
Speaker 1: lose a challenge? No? Okay, did you watch last night

2333
02:08:47,960 --> 02:08:51,720
Speaker 1: the Rams and Niners? I did. I may be the

2334
02:08:51,760 --> 02:08:56,080
Speaker 1: only one that thinks this. I thought that was a

2335
02:08:56,120 --> 02:08:59,400
Speaker 1: catch at the end of the game by Nikua. It

2336
02:08:59,440 --> 02:09:02,480
Speaker 1: was an un unbelievable play and he had both feet

2337
02:09:02,520 --> 02:09:04,800
Speaker 1: down and they claimed that the ball was coming out,

2338
02:09:04,840 --> 02:09:07,720
Speaker 1: but he already had corralled control of it. The ball

2339
02:09:07,800 --> 02:09:10,400
Speaker 1: was coming out and to me, it never touched the ground.

2340
02:09:10,440 --> 02:09:12,200
Speaker 1: He surrendered the control again.

2341
02:09:12,320 --> 02:09:14,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, but when he regained control, he didn't have two

2342
02:09:14,360 --> 02:09:15,040
Speaker 3: feet down.

2343
02:09:14,920 --> 02:09:16,200
Speaker 1: But he already had two feet down.

2344
02:09:16,320 --> 02:09:18,160
Speaker 2: He has to have the third element, which is either

2345
02:09:18,200 --> 02:09:21,760
Speaker 2: a football move or maintain the process or maintain possession

2346
02:09:21,760 --> 02:09:23,280
Speaker 2: of the ball through the ground, in which he did not.

2347
02:09:24,360 --> 02:09:26,640
Speaker 1: So because he had the feet down and control of

2348
02:09:26,680 --> 02:09:28,840
Speaker 1: the ball, that's negated because.

2349
02:09:28,640 --> 02:09:30,080
Speaker 3: He lost control of the ball. Yeah.

2350
02:09:30,320 --> 02:09:32,360
Speaker 1: See I didn't think he lost control of it though,

2351
02:09:32,400 --> 02:09:35,200
Speaker 1: because he had control when he hit the ground.

2352
02:09:35,240 --> 02:09:37,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was the sideline shot where you could see

2353
02:09:37,720 --> 02:09:39,680
Speaker 3: the ball wasn't in his hand and it wasn't pinned

2354
02:09:39,760 --> 02:09:40,920
Speaker 3: up against his body.

2355
02:09:40,680 --> 02:09:42,480
Speaker 1: But it was when he hit the ground, wasn't it.

2356
02:09:42,520 --> 02:09:44,080
Speaker 3: But he had two feet in bounds.

2357
02:09:46,800 --> 02:09:50,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because so I guess the rule, Like what I'm

2358
02:09:50,960 --> 02:09:56,200
Speaker 1: getting at is he had both feet in and control, right, yes,

2359
02:09:56,520 --> 02:09:59,680
Speaker 1: so right then, so long as when he comes to

2360
02:10:00,120 --> 02:10:02,160
Speaker 1: that to me, and I would have to know this,

2361
02:10:02,240 --> 02:10:04,760
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously the specifics on the rule would be that.

2362
02:10:05,440 --> 02:10:07,600
Speaker 1: But to me, because he had both feet down and

2363
02:10:07,640 --> 02:10:12,040
Speaker 1: he had control of the football, that then checks the

2364
02:10:12,040 --> 02:10:15,760
Speaker 1: box of feet in. And then when he was losing

2365
02:10:15,880 --> 02:10:19,360
Speaker 1: control and regained it. So long as he regained the

2366
02:10:19,400 --> 02:10:22,440
Speaker 1: control at any point, he's already checked the box of

2367
02:10:22,480 --> 02:10:25,760
Speaker 1: the feet in. If that makes sense what I'm saying.

2368
02:10:26,080 --> 02:10:28,520
Speaker 2: I understand what you're saying. But in the aspect of

2369
02:10:28,640 --> 02:10:31,760
Speaker 2: it was pretty much. I mean, he lost total control

2370
02:10:31,800 --> 02:10:33,080
Speaker 2: of the ball, like he didn't have it at all.

2371
02:10:33,120 --> 02:10:34,400
Speaker 2: So the process starts over.

2372
02:10:36,520 --> 02:10:39,320
Speaker 1: Yes, And that's where I disagree a little bit, Like

2373
02:10:39,320 --> 02:10:40,920
Speaker 1: it didn't seem to me like he lost, Like he

2374
02:10:40,920 --> 02:10:42,640
Speaker 1: didn't drop it and pick it back up right, It

2375
02:10:42,720 --> 02:10:44,240
Speaker 1: just kind of bobbled up into the air and back

2376
02:10:44,240 --> 02:10:46,720
Speaker 1: down into his arm. Yeah, it was an unbelievable play

2377
02:10:46,840 --> 02:10:47,320
Speaker 1: either way.

2378
02:10:47,480 --> 02:10:49,080
Speaker 3: Yeah it was. It was unreal.

2379
02:10:50,080 --> 02:10:52,880
Speaker 1: But the stew on this.

2380
02:10:53,200 --> 02:10:57,800
Speaker 3: I hope fantasy managers that had puk and a cool.

2381
02:10:57,680 --> 02:11:00,000
Speaker 2: Last night didn't lose by like, you know, eight points

2382
02:11:00,200 --> 02:11:03,320
Speaker 2: or last or whatever. Because he had a thirty six

2383
02:11:03,440 --> 02:11:06,440
Speaker 2: year catch call back to to a holding penalty, a

2384
02:11:06,480 --> 02:11:09,440
Speaker 2: forty one yard touchdown called back to a holding penalty,

2385
02:11:09,440 --> 02:11:09,880
Speaker 2: and then.

2386
02:11:10,040 --> 02:11:13,080
Speaker 1: I lost by zero point eight points and Kyle Pitts

2387
02:11:13,120 --> 02:11:15,200
Speaker 1: had the last and that's who put it over the

2388
02:11:15,200 --> 02:11:17,360
Speaker 1: top on the last play of their offensive play of

2389
02:11:17,360 --> 02:11:20,600
Speaker 1: the game. I think, Stu on this and think about

2390
02:11:20,600 --> 02:11:23,680
Speaker 1: this for when we come back. Okay, think about this

2391
02:11:23,760 --> 02:11:26,240
Speaker 1: question before we do the crossover with J ANDV. I

2392
02:11:26,280 --> 02:11:28,000
Speaker 1: want you to tell me, Eddie when we come back,

2393
02:11:28,160 --> 02:11:30,200
Speaker 1: who you believe right now is the best team in

2394
02:11:30,200 --> 02:11:32,320
Speaker 1: the AFC, and who you believe is the best team

2395
02:11:32,320 --> 02:11:37,280
Speaker 1: in the NFC on the other side. Okay, Eddie, I

2396
02:11:37,280 --> 02:11:39,560
Speaker 1: asked you the question beforehand because I this is one

2397
02:11:39,600 --> 02:11:43,760
Speaker 1: that to me is more intriguing perhaps than any other year.

2398
02:11:43,760 --> 02:11:45,880
Speaker 1: And that's by design for the NFL. I mean, that's

2399
02:11:45,880 --> 02:11:48,000
Speaker 1: the way they love it. But it seems to be

2400
02:11:48,040 --> 02:11:51,680
Speaker 1: a fluctuating answer. And the question I asked you, in

2401
02:11:51,720 --> 02:11:53,640
Speaker 1: your mind right now, the best team in the AFC

2402
02:11:53,680 --> 02:11:55,360
Speaker 1: and the best team in the NFC, who are your

2403
02:11:55,360 --> 02:11:56,520
Speaker 1: two respective answers.

2404
02:11:56,960 --> 02:11:59,600
Speaker 2: I still think even though they have been slipping as

2405
02:11:59,640 --> 02:12:02,840
Speaker 2: a eight and they're in the wildcard, I think Los

2406
02:12:02,880 --> 02:12:03,840
Speaker 2: Angeles the.

2407
02:12:03,840 --> 02:12:06,880
Speaker 3: Rams best team in the NFC. It's hard to argue

2408
02:12:06,960 --> 02:12:09,560
Speaker 3: that just because that combination.

2409
02:12:09,160 --> 02:12:12,880
Speaker 2: Of Stafford, Puka Nakula, DeVante Adams when he comes back,

2410
02:12:12,880 --> 02:12:15,480
Speaker 2: and Sean McVay. I think they can get the defense

2411
02:12:15,520 --> 02:12:17,200
Speaker 2: back on track when the playoffs start.

2412
02:12:17,760 --> 02:12:19,840
Speaker 3: In terms of the AFC, that's the real toss up

2413
02:12:19,880 --> 02:12:20,120
Speaker 3: for me.

2414
02:12:21,040 --> 02:12:23,040
Speaker 1: Like I want to say, Jackson, but I can't.

2415
02:12:23,120 --> 02:12:24,000
Speaker 3: I just can't do it.

2416
02:12:24,760 --> 02:12:28,160
Speaker 1: There are big question marks about all of the elite team.

2417
02:12:28,240 --> 02:12:32,880
Speaker 1: I mean the AFC, the three that feel like they

2418
02:12:33,360 --> 02:12:36,600
Speaker 1: could contend with Buffalo. All three you feel like, are

2419
02:12:36,600 --> 02:12:39,200
Speaker 1: they mature enough yet? You know, I mean Denver, New

2420
02:12:39,200 --> 02:12:41,800
Speaker 1: England and as well Jacksonville. I mean all of them

2421
02:12:41,840 --> 02:12:43,720
Speaker 1: have quarterbacks that are playing at a very high level.

2422
02:12:44,280 --> 02:12:47,720
Speaker 11: But I don't think I don't think New England's ready yet.

2423
02:12:48,800 --> 02:12:50,680
Speaker 11: I think a lot of people feel though J ANDB

2424
02:12:50,840 --> 02:12:54,160
Speaker 11: has just walked in. Can I take Houston? Okay, Houston's

2425
02:12:54,160 --> 02:12:56,400
Speaker 11: not a bad I'll take Houston. And here's why. Because

2426
02:12:56,440 --> 02:13:00,880
Speaker 11: they have a quarterback who's obviously getting better and poised right,

2427
02:13:01,440 --> 02:13:04,600
Speaker 11: and they have a defense that can shut you down

2428
02:13:04,800 --> 02:13:07,120
Speaker 11: when they want to. And they have two dudes, if

2429
02:13:07,160 --> 02:13:11,880
Speaker 11: not more than two dudes that consistently wage war against

2430
02:13:11,920 --> 02:13:12,520
Speaker 11: the quarterback.

2431
02:13:12,560 --> 02:13:15,040
Speaker 1: You know what, that's how smart they look for moving

2432
02:13:15,080 --> 02:13:16,760
Speaker 1: up when they took those two picks in the top

2433
02:13:17,120 --> 02:13:18,760
Speaker 1: five or six or whatever that let's put over at

2434
02:13:18,760 --> 02:13:21,360
Speaker 1: the top. That's a good call. By about Houston Crossover

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2439
02:13:33,520 --> 02:13:37,280
Speaker 1: that in Houston, John, you talk about that defense and

2440
02:13:37,360 --> 02:13:39,200
Speaker 1: that front four and how nasty they can be. You

2441
02:13:39,240 --> 02:13:41,320
Speaker 1: saw that they made life difficult for Justin Herbert, So

2442
02:13:41,360 --> 02:13:42,760
Speaker 1: you can only imagine what Ryler Lionard.

2443
02:13:42,800 --> 02:13:45,600
Speaker 12: Well, they have the quarterback, they have Nicol Collins, the

2444
02:13:45,640 --> 02:13:49,840
Speaker 12: wide receiver. I mean, they have essential, elite level pieces

2445
02:13:50,120 --> 02:13:53,520
Speaker 12: that can be the difference in games. And you know

2446
02:13:53,600 --> 02:13:57,600
Speaker 12: that's what this organization's been chasing around for a variety

2447
02:13:57,600 --> 02:14:01,040
Speaker 12: of years, never to never to have it. So the

2448
02:14:01,080 --> 02:14:04,760
Speaker 12: past rush, I mean, yeah, you've turned team. Here's why

2449
02:14:04,800 --> 02:14:06,440
Speaker 12: I'm going to be interested in who's all going to

2450
02:14:06,520 --> 02:14:08,919
Speaker 12: be back here next year. Let's just say, for example,

2451
02:14:09,360 --> 02:14:12,440
Speaker 12: everybody is back, but player personnel wise.

2452
02:14:12,440 --> 02:14:14,840
Speaker 1: Who's not going to be here? You mean in terms

2453
02:14:14,880 --> 02:14:15,560
Speaker 1: of the rock Stephen.

2454
02:14:15,640 --> 02:14:17,640
Speaker 12: I don't know if Stephen Holder shared this with you earlier,

2455
02:14:17,680 --> 02:14:20,640
Speaker 12: but he doesn't think Alec Pierce is going to get

2456
02:14:20,640 --> 02:14:22,400
Speaker 12: in the fold as of right now. I mean would

2457
02:14:22,440 --> 02:14:25,560
Speaker 12: this year if I'm Alec Piers, I'd go someplace else. Yeah,

2458
02:14:25,560 --> 02:14:28,600
Speaker 12: there's no doubt I meet that situation in Flux team

2459
02:14:28,680 --> 02:14:30,560
Speaker 12: and Flux floundering.

2460
02:14:30,920 --> 02:14:34,320
Speaker 1: You're gonna think I'm crazy when I say this. Are

2461
02:14:34,360 --> 02:14:37,320
Speaker 1: we certain that Daniel Jones just automatically re ups here?

2462
02:14:39,240 --> 02:14:41,040
Speaker 1: I don't know where else he would go. Minnesota is

2463
02:14:41,040 --> 02:14:42,200
Speaker 1: the only other place I could think.

2464
02:14:42,640 --> 02:14:45,400
Speaker 12: I think McCarthy though, solidified himself enough there.

2465
02:14:45,400 --> 02:14:49,040
Speaker 1: I would think. But you know who knows? You knew

2466
02:14:49,560 --> 02:14:54,640
Speaker 1: I'd forgotten this. You knew Minnesota's assistant GM is Ryan Grigson. Yeah,

2467
02:14:54,640 --> 02:14:57,080
Speaker 1: I had forgotten that he was in Minnesota. Yeah, he

2468
02:14:57,200 --> 02:15:01,400
Speaker 1: bounced around a little bit, But you know, Pierce is won.

2469
02:15:01,920 --> 02:15:06,320
Speaker 1: Then depending on what happens if you change. I realize

2470
02:15:06,360 --> 02:15:09,480
Speaker 1: it probably does start with front office wise, but you know,

2471
02:15:09,560 --> 02:15:10,960
Speaker 1: DeForest Buckner, is he back?

2472
02:15:11,120 --> 02:15:13,240
Speaker 12: I would have to think that if Daniel Jones is back,

2473
02:15:13,240 --> 02:15:15,360
Speaker 12: that's why you're going to get styched back, because it

2474
02:15:15,400 --> 02:15:20,520
Speaker 12: seemed like those two agreed success. Right, Yeah, it does

2475
02:15:20,560 --> 02:15:22,640
Speaker 12: to me, and I don't think the Colts have any

2476
02:15:22,720 --> 02:15:24,520
Speaker 12: unless you just say the hell with it and go

2477
02:15:24,600 --> 02:15:27,440
Speaker 12: with anybody have any other options at quarterback other than

2478
02:15:27,840 --> 02:15:31,680
Speaker 12: to hope that his whole rehab situations expedited and then

2479
02:15:31,880 --> 02:15:34,280
Speaker 12: see what you have to to get him there, which

2480
02:15:34,360 --> 02:15:36,480
Speaker 12: who the hell knows what that's going to be with

2481
02:15:36,560 --> 02:15:39,480
Speaker 12: the Riley Leonard game coming up on Sunday.

2482
02:15:40,000 --> 02:15:42,920
Speaker 1: See, are you going to pick the Colts in that

2483
02:15:42,960 --> 02:15:43,600
Speaker 1: game Sunday?

2484
02:15:43,760 --> 02:15:47,879
Speaker 12: Probably not, but I mean I'm assuming that that Houston.

2485
02:15:48,760 --> 02:15:51,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well that's this. This week becomes difficult to pick

2486
02:15:52,040 --> 02:15:54,120
Speaker 1: games because you have no idea around the league, like

2487
02:15:54,120 --> 02:15:57,400
Speaker 1: who's playing, who's not, who's who's in, who's out?

2488
02:15:57,480 --> 02:15:57,720
Speaker 3: Right.

2489
02:15:57,880 --> 02:16:01,160
Speaker 12: I just think I would go at Houston right now

2490
02:16:02,040 --> 02:16:04,840
Speaker 12: just because in the AFC, just because they seem like

2491
02:16:04,880 --> 02:16:08,600
Speaker 12: a team that has all the means to really get

2492
02:16:08,640 --> 02:16:13,840
Speaker 12: you there and have definitive pieces at positions that matter.

2493
02:16:14,000 --> 02:16:16,840
Speaker 1: Are there any teams and I should have looked this up, Eddie?

2494
02:16:16,880 --> 02:16:18,720
Speaker 1: You can help us out here, John, you might know this.

2495
02:16:19,200 --> 02:16:21,360
Speaker 1: Are there any teams going into the postseason right now?

2496
02:16:21,440 --> 02:16:23,240
Speaker 1: Who's whose seed is clenched?

2497
02:16:23,520 --> 02:16:24,080
Speaker 3: The Rams?

2498
02:16:24,760 --> 02:16:29,360
Speaker 1: Is that it just the Rams? Because you so there's

2499
02:16:29,360 --> 02:16:32,320
Speaker 1: nobody so we're not like necessarily in resting phase right

2500
02:16:32,320 --> 02:16:35,280
Speaker 1: if people feel that they can assist themselves up or

2501
02:16:35,280 --> 02:16:36,400
Speaker 1: down either way the Ram.

2502
02:16:36,480 --> 02:16:39,480
Speaker 12: I think San Francisco and Houston's the super Bowl. I

2503
02:16:39,520 --> 02:16:41,440
Speaker 12: think San Francisco plays in their own building.

2504
02:16:41,520 --> 02:16:43,560
Speaker 2: I believe the Rams are a team that's locked into

2505
02:16:43,600 --> 02:16:45,800
Speaker 2: their seeding and the Packers are.

2506
02:16:45,680 --> 02:16:48,840
Speaker 12: Now, we'll see you get San Francisco and Seattle. I

2507
02:16:49,280 --> 02:16:53,200
Speaker 12: just like pretty better than Donald. San fran has played better.

2508
02:16:53,200 --> 02:16:58,160
Speaker 12: We'll see about it, Kittle and huh, Philly. Philly is

2509
02:16:58,200 --> 02:17:02,640
Speaker 12: definitely getting better. I just I like, for whatever reason,

2510
02:17:02,680 --> 02:17:06,120
Speaker 12: I like the forty nine ers and what they do. Again,

2511
02:17:06,160 --> 02:17:10,080
Speaker 12: that's Christian McCaffery, as long as he doesn't become compromised

2512
02:17:10,080 --> 02:17:12,880
Speaker 12: in any way because I think the Bears maker there.

2513
02:17:13,240 --> 02:17:17,560
Speaker 12: I don't trust the Bears, but offensively they're entertaining as heck. Defensively,

2514
02:17:17,600 --> 02:17:19,920
Speaker 12: they can't stop anybody, and I think that's the biggest

2515
02:17:19,920 --> 02:17:22,720
Speaker 12: problem right there. I mean, I think right now they're

2516
02:17:22,760 --> 02:17:26,880
Speaker 12: just as heavily offensive as they were defensive when they

2517
02:17:26,959 --> 02:17:31,120
Speaker 12: ran roughshot in nineteen eighty five to a Super Bowl.

2518
02:17:31,240 --> 02:17:34,920
Speaker 12: They just defensively, they just can't find stops, okay, but

2519
02:17:35,000 --> 02:17:36,080
Speaker 12: offensively they got a lot.

2520
02:17:36,080 --> 02:17:38,640
Speaker 1: How about this better chance of winning a playoff game

2521
02:17:38,760 --> 02:17:41,560
Speaker 1: NFC North winner or I mean, excuse me, NFC South

2522
02:17:41,560 --> 02:17:42,959
Speaker 1: winner or AFC North winner.

2523
02:17:46,240 --> 02:17:48,279
Speaker 3: That's a good point, I would.

2524
02:17:50,160 --> 02:17:52,080
Speaker 1: I mean it. God of feels like Carolina and Tampa

2525
02:17:52,080 --> 02:17:54,119
Speaker 1: are both backing their way in in which everyone gets

2526
02:17:54,120 --> 02:17:57,240
Speaker 1: in right whereas Baltimore you kind of believe, you have

2527
02:17:57,280 --> 02:17:57,800
Speaker 1: some belief in it.

2528
02:17:58,200 --> 02:18:02,800
Speaker 12: Yeah, But Pittsburgh, those are like teams and like situations

2529
02:18:02,879 --> 02:18:07,959
Speaker 12: right there with the Steelers, Ravens, Buccaneers, and Panthers. Maybe

2530
02:18:08,520 --> 02:18:12,680
Speaker 12: maybe the Panthers because they have more of a running game.

2531
02:18:12,600 --> 02:18:13,280
Speaker 1: Than anybody else.

2532
02:18:13,280 --> 02:18:15,480
Speaker 12: I know, I'm talking about Derrick Henry with the Ravens here,

2533
02:18:15,520 --> 02:18:18,160
Speaker 12: but this seems like the Ravens are a bit of

2534
02:18:18,160 --> 02:18:20,560
Speaker 12: a cluster right now. With everything you know, it seems

2535
02:18:20,560 --> 02:18:24,560
Speaker 12: like there's an internal cluster they are, yes, and Aaron

2536
02:18:24,640 --> 02:18:27,240
Speaker 12: Rodgers brings the cluster. I mean, at least with Carolina,

2537
02:18:27,320 --> 02:18:30,920
Speaker 12: it's listens like all new and energizing to them.

2538
02:18:30,959 --> 02:18:33,480
Speaker 1: Right Carolina, they kind of don't know. They're not supposed

2539
02:18:33,480 --> 02:18:35,959
Speaker 1: to be there exactly. All right, Jamie's up next. We'll

2540
02:18:36,000 --> 02:18:38,279
Speaker 1: be back with you at noon tomorrow, No, jamv tomorrow.

2541
02:18:38,320 --> 02:18:40,000
Speaker 1: We'll be back with you at noon until two thirty

2542
02:18:40,040 --> 02:18:43,560
Speaker 1: before Pacers take over on this New Year's Eve eve.

2543
02:18:43,800 --> 02:18:46,200
Speaker 1: I wish you the best and thank you for listening

2544
02:18:46,200 --> 02:18:46,760
Speaker 1: to Quarying Cup