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Speaker 1: This is one of those moments where I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to agree with Donald Trump. Pulled onto your steering wheel.

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Speaker 1: Here it comes in the fiscal year twenty twenty seven budget.

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Speaker 1: It includes a request for one hundred and fifty two

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Speaker 1: million dollars to begin reopening Alcatraz Island as a working

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Speaker 1: federal prison. This is just first year funding to rebuild

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Speaker 1: and modernize the facility. This is a one hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty two million dollar ask to plan it, not to

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Speaker 1: build it, just to plan it. The cost of planning

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Speaker 1: to open Alcatraz is already so eyewatering and huge. I

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Speaker 1: think we're right to question whether this is a smart

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Speaker 1: thing to do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you on this one. But we we

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Speaker 2: know Donald Trump very well at this point. And if

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Speaker 2: there's one thing that Donald Trump loves more than anything,

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Speaker 2: he loves to put on a show. And wouldn't it

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Speaker 2: be a sh show if all of a sudden Alcatraz

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Speaker 2: was reopened as a federal prison. I mean, that seems

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Speaker 2: like something that Donald Trump would absolutely love to do,

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Speaker 2: to stand on that island and hold the press conference

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Speaker 2: with the old prison behind him and talk about how

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Speaker 2: he's reopening it for the worst of the worst criminals

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Speaker 2: that we'll put here, and nobody can survive an escaped

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Speaker 2: attempt by trying to swim to safety or anything like

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Speaker 2: that shark infested waters. This seems right up Donald Trump's

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Speaker 2: alley because he loves putting on a show.

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Speaker 1: So the budget request doesn't provide any detailed breakdown of

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Speaker 1: how the one hundred and fifty two million dollars would

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Speaker 1: be spent. And if that's all it is just a

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Speaker 1: message that we're not soft on crime. That is very

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Speaker 1: expensive for a photo op. However, you've got the borders

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Speaker 1: are Tom Homan, and he's on board with this idea.

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Speaker 3: I should be on the table because we need to

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Speaker 3: touch your beds, and that'd be I think that's an

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Speaker 3: appropriate place for the the siivertam public states and threads

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Speaker 3: and a security threads. Why not.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you got the borders are and he's saying, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is where we should send the worst of the worst.

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Speaker 1: Let's have the most famous island prison reopened. So is

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Speaker 1: the message then actually the policy?

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Speaker 2: Well, and keep in mind too, this is why your

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Speaker 2: cost is why Alcatraz was shut down decades ago, because

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Speaker 2: it's an island. Let's start with the fact that it's

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Speaker 2: in California where everything is crazy expensive. That's number one.

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Speaker 2: And then it's an island, so any fuel or food

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Speaker 2: or supplies has to be shipped over on ferry every

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Speaker 2: single day. The people that work there have to like

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Speaker 2: ferry back and forth every single day to come to

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Speaker 2: and from work, have to live there. Yeah, and by

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Speaker 2: the way, like you said, this one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: two million dollar request is just a study. It's just

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Speaker 2: a planet. The actual costs being reported that if they

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Speaker 2: were actually to go through with it, it would be

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Speaker 2: billions and billions of dollars because the buildings it's that

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Speaker 2: are on the island right now aren't functioning for anything

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Speaker 2: more than what it is, which is a museum essentially.

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Speaker 1: Well, Alcatraz actually generates sixty million dollars annually in tourism,

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Speaker 1: so say goodbye to that money, right and.

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Speaker 2: Now we're going to spend who knows how many hundreds

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Speaker 2: of millions of dollars a year to function it as

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Speaker 2: a prison. And by the way, we're losing that sixty

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Speaker 2: million dollars a year in tourist revenue. But the buildings,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it looks like they have I've been to Alcatraz.

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Speaker 2: This was many, many years ago when it was in

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Speaker 2: San Francisco on a work trip and snuck out one

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Speaker 2: afternoon and went to Alcatraz, and did you know you

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Speaker 2: take the little boat over there and you do the tour.

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Speaker 1: He contributed to the sixty million and tourism.

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Speaker 2: Totally worth it, by the way. Yeah, absolutely very cool.

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Speaker 2: But it is I mean, you go inside that building

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Speaker 2: and it looks like a building that was shut down

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Speaker 2: seventy years ago, just like it was. I mean, the

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Speaker 2: you know, the paint is peeling off the walls, and

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Speaker 2: you know some of the concrete, you know, flaking and

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Speaker 2: broken all over the place. But it right now, it

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Speaker 2: is a very creepy place. It is just very creepy,

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Speaker 2: very interesting, very cool, lots of great stories. It's definitely

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Speaker 2: a good touristy thing to do if you're in San Francisco,

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Speaker 2: take the Alcatraz tour. But you just get I just

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Speaker 2: got the weird vibes when I was in there. It's

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Speaker 2: it's a very odd looking for.

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Speaker 1: It hasn't been a prison since nineteen sixty three. And now,

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Speaker 1: as we mentioned, it's a tourist attraction. It's part of

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Speaker 1: the National Park service. That's who. That's who's actually running Alcatraz.

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Speaker 1: But you're talking about you would have to completely demolish

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Speaker 1: the buildings that are there. I would think start over

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Speaker 1: and imagine that cost because as you mentioned the reconstruction,

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Speaker 1: every supply has to come over on.

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Speaker 2: A ferry or a boat. Well think, I mean, we

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Speaker 2: see pictures from TV and movies modern prisons. This looks

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Speaker 2: nothing like a modern prison. It looks like a prison

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Speaker 2: out of one hundred years ago. I mean, you've got

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Speaker 2: the typical iron bars and these any little cells and

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Speaker 2: they're all lined up with several stories. And then there's

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Speaker 2: a little mess hall that you can go to and

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Speaker 2: some other areas in the prison there. But yeah, look,

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Speaker 2: I mean I think this is going to be a

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Speaker 2: long shot for anything like this to happen. I think,

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Speaker 2: for starters, Donald Trump's going to be out of office

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Speaker 2: by the time any formal decision is going to have

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Speaker 2: to be made. It'll be done well after twenty twenty eight,

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Speaker 2: and again the prison was shut down because it was

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Speaker 2: too expensive to function as a prison. The billions we

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Speaker 2: would spend to get it back in working order, and

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Speaker 2: then the hundreds of millions a year we would spend

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Speaker 2: a function as a prison. It doesn't seem like it

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Speaker 2: would be a good use of money. But like I said,

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump loves a show and he would love to

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Speaker 2: be the president. That's like yep, I brought back Alcatraz.

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Speaker 2: Let's get Nicholas Cage in here, and we'll film the

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Speaker 2: rock too.

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Speaker 1: It would be a very expensive photo op. Any reopening

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Speaker 1: is going to require approval from Congress, and they have

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Speaker 1: to consider the cost, the logistics, the infrastructure needs. But

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump first announced this back in May of twenty

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Speaker 1: five on Truth Social and they're still considering it because

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Speaker 1: it is in the twenty seven budget request for one

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty two million dollars.

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Speaker 2: And we've got other ways to manage this. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Alcatraz was originally started to hold the worst of the

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Speaker 2: worst machine gun Kelly and al Capone and these terrible,

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Speaker 2: awful criminals. And it was done that way because it

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Speaker 2: was isolated and you couldn't escape from there, and this

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Speaker 2: was the way to do it. You know what, We

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Speaker 2: got a really great supermax facility in Colorado right now

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Speaker 2: that holds some of the worst of the worst. We've

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Speaker 2: got you know, terrorism suspects there and you know, the

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Speaker 2: unibomber is held there, just really bad dudes. And you

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Speaker 2: know what, don't hear anything about the supermax prison in Colorado,

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Speaker 2: because you know why nobody escapes from it. It's it's

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Speaker 2: already built, it's already serving the function we need, and

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Speaker 2: it's in Colorado. It's not on an island outside, you know,

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Speaker 2: off the you know, shores of California. It just seems

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Speaker 2: like we've got better solutions to this than reopen inning

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Speaker 2: Alcatrazic