1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,239 Speaker 1: I believe we've got Dan Brugler with us right now. 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: The legend that is Dane Brugler. He's gonna hop on 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: here the headset mark. We'll do We'll do our morning 4 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: checkdown here in a few. We always appreciate his time. 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: He's one of the busiest men at the NFL combine, 6 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: I believe over our years in chatting with you, Dane. 7 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: It's a drive from Northeast Ohio, Is that correct? So Warren, Ohio. 8 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 2: That's football like heaven right Northeast Ohio. 9 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 3: It's no mystery why I kind of grew up in 10 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 3: football right Canton, Ohio's you know, twenty minutes away. I 11 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 3: went to school at Mount Union D three national championships 12 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 3: all the time. 13 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 2: Is that Brian Polliam Mount Union? That's John Carroll. 14 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 3: Carroll, Yeah, the arch Nemos system Mount Union. 15 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 2: Sorry, blast me. I don't even say. 16 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 3: Right exactly, but hey, John Carroll. They have their nice 17 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 3: little run of They got a prospect in this draft 18 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 3: who's a pretty good receiver, and they've had a nice 19 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 3: run of front office guys. So credit to them. But yeah, 20 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 3: it's love Northeast Ohio. So after I graduated from college, 21 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 3: moved down to Texas for ten years, and my wife 22 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 3: and I moved back just to raise the kids. And 23 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 3: it's a beautiful place to grow up. So yeah, very 24 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 3: very proud. North olkh Northeast Ohioan So. 25 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 4: Dan, when's the last time you saw the sun before 26 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 4: you came to the combine? 27 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 2: What is this son you speak of? I have two sons? 28 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 2: Is that what you mean? 29 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's at that time of year, right. Part 30 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 3: of it's the the choices we've made where to live 31 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 3: in the country where it's a little cold and dark, 32 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 3: this type of or this time of year. But uh yeah, 33 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 3: doing doing this draft stuff, doing the scouting, it's it's 34 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 3: it's a lot of a lot of work this time 35 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 3: of year. It's a lot of climbing my hole, watching 36 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 3: tape on the phone, and you know, get all this 37 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 3: stuff together. So by the time April comes and you know, 38 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 3: we're a couple of weeks out of the draft, all 39 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 3: the everything's done and we're ready to go and we 40 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 3: can really really hone in on. Okay, how's this how's 41 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 3: the top thirty two picks gonna play out? 42 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: I've joked he if you stay in a local hotel, 43 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: you could you know, pull the drawer open and some might, 44 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: you know, find a book in there called the Bible. 45 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: Others might find Dan Briggler's Beast, depending on how they 46 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: like their you know, whatever coffee brewed. So, Dan, we 47 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: always appreciate the time. And you know, I've been teasing 48 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: you coming on the show here for the last hour. 49 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: I think you have a strong affinity for some local 50 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: guys that I want to get into. And when we've 51 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: had you on the past, local has meant like, well, 52 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: we're kind of going up the Notre Dame, right, but 53 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: like local can be an hour down the road in Bloomington, 54 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: or you know, Dylan Thieneman being a Westfield native just 55 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: north here of Indianapolis. So I guess let's just start 56 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: with Fernando Mendoza. And I did find it interesting that 57 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: I was listening to you a few weeks back and 58 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: you mentioned that you felt like if arch Manning, or 59 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: maybe some NFL people feel so feel free to correct me, 60 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: if arch many was in this draft, there might be 61 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:49,839 Speaker 1: a little bit more of a debate at number one. 62 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 3: Oh, no question, and how much of that is just 63 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 3: the name that's going to uh, you know, be part 64 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 3: of that discussion. But the way Urch finished, I think 65 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 3: I think people and I say people, scouts, people in 66 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 3: the NFL, they just see it as a rocket ship. 67 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 3: It's headed in the right direction. And he is got 68 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 3: a little more in terms of the mobility, in terms 69 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 3: of the ability to create those second chance throws. And 70 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 3: we saw Fernando Mendoza this year use his leg, especially 71 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 3: in the National Championship Game to make some plays. It's 72 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 3: just a little bit different with Arch and so Mendoza 73 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 3: is closer to his ceiling and what he is as 74 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 3: a quarterback, which isn't a bad thing. Like you know, 75 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 3: if you're going to draft a quarterback, especially in the 76 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 3: top five, won't you want to kind of know what 77 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 3: you're getting, you know? And so I think that's the 78 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 3: cell with Mendoza's You already know he's a good quarterback. 79 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 3: You know how accurate is you know, pre snap processing, 80 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 3: post snap processing, you have a good feel for all 81 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 3: of that, wherewith Manning you're betting a little bit on 82 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 3: the upside. And so it would it would be a debate, 83 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 3: it would be something that we'd be talking about ad 84 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 3: nauseum here. But I'm glad. Part of me's glad. Part 85 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 3: of me wishes just because the draft could use a 86 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 3: little right at the top. But part of me is 87 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 3: glad that he went back to school. I mean, for 88 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 3: most quarterbacks that's the right move to get better. Develop 89 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 3: The NFL is just not the developmental league, so the 90 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 3: chance to go back get better. We'll be talking about 91 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 3: him at this time next year. 92 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 4: Well, if you want some off, I think you should 93 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 4: just go stop by friend of the Mendoza's Friday press 94 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 4: conference and we'll get all the flipping champions and things 95 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 4: like that phrases that he drops. But I know, looking 96 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 4: at your top one hundred that you just recently put 97 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 4: out Dane that Omar Cooper Junior as a player you've 98 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 4: been high on. Yeh got him right, number twenty seven. 99 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 4: Can you elaborate on why you think his skills will 100 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 4: translate to the NFL. 101 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I've been talking about him all year as 102 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 3: just like what's not to like about this player? He 103 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 3: operates mostly out of the slot ball, skills are fantastic, 104 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 3: and you know both his parents are big basketball players. 105 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 3: I believe in this area just north of here, so 106 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 3: you know, a local kid. He gravitated more towards football 107 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 3: and the toughness and yack ability. That's what really sells me. 108 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 3: You get the ball in his hands, he can break tackles. 109 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 3: He will get those hidden yards where you know it's 110 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 3: second and seven and it's a screen and instead of okay, 111 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 3: it's gonna be third and two, he already got the 112 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 3: first down, so you're already moving the chains. That's where 113 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 3: I think he separates himself. And so I think, now, 114 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 3: if you're looking for more of a vertical receiver, maybe 115 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 3: he's not as proven in that area, but you know, 116 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 3: I've seen him win out of the slot on you know, 117 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 3: vertical patterns versus press. But I think the specialize how 118 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 3: you want to really use him, Screens, slants, runway routes, 119 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 3: opportunities to get him the ball in space so he 120 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 3: can create usette speed, use that toughness. This is a 121 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 3: receiver class that's missing maybe true alpha at the top, 122 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 3: but it's we're gonna still see five or six going 123 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 3: the first round, and I think Omar Cooper's right there 124 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 3: in that mix. 125 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: I've kind of called him baby Debo. 126 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see that, right, you know, Debo maybe 127 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 3: a little more like a running back, where I think 128 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 3: Omark Cooper's more like a receiver, but in terms of 129 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 3: the ability to break tackles get more yards than you 130 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 3: think are gonna be there. 131 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that makes sense. 132 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: Okay, let's stick with the IU brigade here, and a 133 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: man that's gonna talk to the media here in a 134 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: little bit is d Angelo Pons. And you know, we 135 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: are in a market with Chris Ballard, a very stringent individual, 136 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: and it comes to cornerback makeup. Last year they drafted 137 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: Justin Walley James. We were in the draft room. We thought 138 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: it was a mistake almost you know, very foreign draft pick. 139 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: From a height standpoint, right, you have, I think stood 140 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: on a table a bit for d Angelo Ponds. Despite 141 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: the height there, how high do you think he could go? 142 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,799 Speaker 1: And why do you feel like he'll be an outlier 143 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: based off how many people view the cornerback position? 144 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 2: Besides the size? What is not to like? Right? 145 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 3: You have to get past the size and I get it. 146 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 3: If he's lined up on the outside versus six to 147 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 3: four receiver, there's a mismatch there. There's just there's no 148 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 3: way around that. But everything else you love about him, 149 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 3: the toughness, the speed, he's one hundred meter track champion 150 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,679 Speaker 3: in high school, So I think he'll have a nice 151 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 3: week here in terms of the workouts on the field, 152 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 3: the toughness that he plays with, how smart he is. 153 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 3: I've talked to him before and I've really enjoyed our 154 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 3: conversations because you really know when a guy gets it, 155 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 3: especially a corner. Trent McDuffie was that for me when 156 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 3: scouting him that year coming out of Washington, how smart 157 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 3: he was about, Okay, if they're lining up in this split, 158 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 3: we're going to change the coverage. This side will be man, 159 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 3: this side'll be his own. And he just how quickly 160 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 3: he sees it, and that processing is so important. We 161 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 3: think of corner as a stopwatch position, and it is. 162 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 3: You have to be fast, you have to be able 163 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 3: to carry receivers vertically, but the intelligence factor of understanding 164 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 3: route concepts, understanding what the offense is trying to do 165 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 3: so you could be a step ahead. Ponds has that 166 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 3: and we saw that consistently throughout the season. But it 167 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 3: was the same guy at James Madison. He was a 168 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 3: freshman All American and he was doing that same stuff. 169 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 3: This is just how he's wired. And so I'm gonna 170 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 3: bet on a guy where you have to sacrifice the size, yes, 171 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 3: but everything else I love. So I'll bet on that. 172 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 4: So to pivot a little bit to the Colts obvious 173 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 4: need for them is a defensive end. How do you 174 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 4: feel about the depth in this year's defensive end class 175 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 4: considering that the Colts do not have a first round. 176 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 3: Pick, right, and this is music too, I think Colts 177 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 3: fansiers is it's a deep edge group. And my top 178 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 3: one hundred I had sixteen edg rushers and they're probably 179 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 3: four or five I could have thrown in there as well. 180 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 3: And it's like there's not some magical ranking somewhere in 181 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 3: a vault where every team's gonna be drafting from. And 182 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 3: you know, like every draft board is gonna look a 183 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 3: little bit different because of the types of edge rushers. 184 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 3: If you're looking for more of an edgesetter, you're looking 185 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 3: for more of a bendy speed guy. And so I 186 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 3: think it'll be interesting to see the order these guys 187 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 3: come off the board. Who would still be around in 188 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 3: you know, the second round for the Colts, But there 189 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 3: will be somebody. There'll be somebody circle and say, if 190 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 3: we circle five names going into Day two, good chance 191 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 3: you're gonna get one of those guys. 192 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 1: Okay, I want to make sure we get a couple 193 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: of local questions in here, and we always appreciate your time. 194 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 3: What a difference a year makes, by the way, with 195 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 3: Tucking Indiana football, Oh my gosh, yeez, good for that program. 196 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: I went there. They won three Big ten games in 197 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: four years. Ball State beat him twice in my four years, 198 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: So I think that tells you everything you need to know. 199 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: The biggest news item when I was there was Kevin Wilson, 200 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: their former head coach, fighting an Ra. I'm literally a 201 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: resident assistant their. 202 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 2: Former win right here. That's a great sign. I don't 203 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 2: I don't know. 204 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: I think the pocket knife the ra had on them 205 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: maybe got the win there. Okay, the Beast is coming 206 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: out win. 207 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 3: We have a date yet, it's always hopefully that first 208 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 3: week in April. You know, a couple of weeks for 209 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 3: the draft, and I just give me the month of 210 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 3: March to get it done and then. 211 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: We'll your version of March madness is getting the Beast done. Okay. 212 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: Two more local guys wanted to ask about Dylan Theenaman 213 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: again Westfield, Indiana, just north here in Indianapolis. You've had 214 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: Theena men I think pretty high. I think several draft 215 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: analysts have had him high. Probably gonna be a very 216 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: good tester. Yes here coming up. What intrigues you by 217 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: the former Purdue football player, Oregon product. 218 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 3: Really intrigued by safeties who can do a couple of 219 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 3: different things. You know, you want the versatile guys, and 220 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 3: I think that's where with thiene Men, And he'll show 221 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 3: it here. Like you said, he's gonna test well. I 222 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 3: think he'll do all the all the positional stuff wi 223 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 3: look good. The athletic testing will look good. And you know, 224 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 3: you want guys that can play the nickel, you want 225 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 3: guys that can play the post, you want guys single high. 226 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 3: You know, all these different and that's what I think 227 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 3: Caleb Downs is a top ten pick in this draft 228 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 3: because all the different hats he can wear. And Dylan Thieneman, 229 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 3: I think he has that type of versatility where it's 230 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 3: not just uh, he's not a above average run defender 231 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 3: and you have to give up a little bit and coverage. 232 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 3: He has everything the total package, and so you know 233 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 3: his his coverage ability, especially in the man is what 234 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 3: helps separate him. So if I'm looking for someone that 235 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 3: can be a true Nickel on one snap. But then 236 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 3: you know, I don't have to change my person and 237 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 3: all packages. I can just move him to a different alignment. 238 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 3: You feel comfortable that he could do it, and so 239 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 3: that's why ultimately I think he goes in the first round. 240 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 1: I am an unapologetic Notre Dame fan. I think Jeremiah 241 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: Love was the best player in college football last year. 242 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: Durable pass catcher, pass protector, home run hitter. Look at 243 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: the Penn State touchdown run from a few years ago 244 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 1: if you want to see some toughness in there as well. 245 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: How high it's too high for Jeremiah Love? 246 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 3: Okay, so we know the number one pick, right, Fanana Medoz, 247 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 3: I think is already looking at real estate there in Vegas, 248 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 3: and then I think we're on Jeremiah Love watch. I mean, 249 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 3: I agree with you that high. You can't draft him 250 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 3: too high. I really don't think you can. Now we 251 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 3: could debate about are the Titans in the right roster 252 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 3: construction mode where they should be dropping and running back 253 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 3: in there? The same thing about the Jets. I don't 254 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 3: think Briestol is going anywhere, but if they did move 255 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 3: on from Breesol, so you know, I think that's a debate. 256 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 3: But if the cell is easy, if you if you 257 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 3: tell me, if I'm a fan of your of a 258 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 3: franchise and you draft Jeremiah Love and I'm thinking, oh, 259 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 3: you draft a running back top five, the cell is easy. 260 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 3: You just added the most explosive player in the draft 261 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 3: to your offense. That helps everybody, That helps the quarterback, 262 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 3: that helps the receivers, that helps obviously the run game. 263 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 3: So I have a hard time believing he gets past 264 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 3: the Saints at eight. 265 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: I've seen the mock of Kansas City at nine and yeah, 266 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:23,199 Speaker 1: like that, Oh my gosh, can. 267 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 2: You imagine him in that offense? 268 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 3: Well, and that's another one where it's we really see 269 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 3: the Chiefs go with another first round running back. But 270 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 3: this is a draft where just draft good football players. 271 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 3: Stop talking about positional value, just draft good football player. 272 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 3: So Caleb Downs a safety, sunny style is off ball 273 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 3: linebacker Love at running back. You'll want to the guard Like, 274 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 3: these are all really really good football players. I don't 275 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 3: want to hear about Jason Upside. I want to hear 276 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 3: about the good football players we're adding. And Love, I 277 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 3: mean Love. I have a higher grade on Love than 278 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 3: an Ash genty from last year. His grade is closer 279 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 3: to like a B Jhon Robinson what I had on 280 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 3: him coming out of out a tech. So I just 281 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 3: think that you can do so much of the weapon 282 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 3: like that. Put him in the slot, let him run routes, 283 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 3: and he's not just screens. He can run routes. A 284 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 3: weapon like that just changes everything about your offense. 285 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 4: Last one, I will let you go, Dane. I know 286 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 4: you mentioned Caleb Downs, not a local kid, but local 287 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 4: adjacent with Josh Downs being here. I remember having a 288 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 4: conversation with Josh Downs at his camp a couple of 289 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 4: years ago, Dane and I asked him. I was like, 290 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 4: you know, typical softball question, who's a better brother? And 291 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 4: he's like, it's him. He's not the better receiver, but 292 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 4: it's him. So what stands out to you about Caleb 293 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 4: Downs and what makes him so unique and different as 294 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 4: a safety, because we know that's position that like to 295 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 4: talk about personal value isn't always viewed in the same. 296 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 2: Light as others. 297 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 3: No, I mean, when's the last time we saw our 298 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 3: top ten safety Jamal Adams, Right, you know, it's just 299 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 3: it's been a minute and most teams have that think 300 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 3: line of thinking. But Downs is just different, and especially 301 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 3: in this draft where it's a little bit late at 302 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 3: the top. I just talking to a couple of teams 303 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 3: this week. You know the impressive interview. Oh Caleb Downs. 304 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 3: Oh It'scleb Downs. I mean that you hear that a lot. 305 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 3: Sunny Styles gets some votes to but Downs has been 306 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 3: universally praised for and that's not a surprise when you 307 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 3: think about how smart he is. I mean, he showed 308 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 3: up as a freshman for Nick Saban and was the 309 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 3: leader of that defense. He's played for three different defensive 310 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 3: coordinators the last three years, three different schemes, and he's 311 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 3: been a star of all three. So everything that Matt 312 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 3: Patricia did this past year for Ohio State, all the 313 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 3: different disguises, the different traps, the different like it's all 314 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 3: because you have a safety like Caleb Downs who can 315 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 3: handle it mentally. 316 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 2: You know, we talk so much about. 317 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 3: With DB's the physical ability and that's great, but having 318 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 3: the mental capacity to understand what the offense is doing 319 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 3: and then communicate that that's everything. And like we talk 320 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 3: so much about Nick un worried for the Seahawks and 321 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 3: what he meant this year. Right when you watch the 322 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 3: Seattle Seahawks tape, it's Devin Witherspoon that's saying, Hey, Nick, 323 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 3: you're doing this, or Hey Tyr, you're doing this. Devin 324 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 3: Withersmoon's getting everybody right. When Devin Withersmoon's not on the field, 325 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 3: the Seattle Seahawks defense is not even close to the 326 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 3: same because of that communication aspect. It's the same thing 327 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 3: with Kaitlyn Downs having not only his ability at safety, 328 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 3: but his communication and ability to get everybody lined up 329 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 3: in the right spots. That is something that doesn't show 330 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 3: up in the box order, doesn't get talked about enough, 331 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 3: but is something that coaches and scouts certainly care about 332 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 3: and something that I will separate down starout the process. 333 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: All right, Last last one, your favorite indie establishment. You 334 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: call indie home for about a week seemingly every late February. 335 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: Do you have a and you can't say saying, Almo 336 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: it is. 337 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm it's predictable, right, but that is maybe 338 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 3: I have to talk to you guys after about maybe 339 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 3: some more suggestions. 340 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 2: But I've never had a bad meal at Elmos. 341 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 3: And you know it's not just the cowboy rivibe, although 342 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 3: that's really what has me coming back. But because I'm 343 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 3: not a shrimp person. But even like the bread, like 344 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 3: I know that sounds silly. 345 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: I agree that great flatbread there's like the Asiago. 346 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 2: Yes, flat bread. 347 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 3: Yes, I feel it more when they see me, they 348 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 3: know we'll bring on a second one. 349 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, that second basket. Did they know? 350 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 3: Because that that bread is I try not to fill 351 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 3: up on it before the meal. But it's it's hard. 352 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: It's hard. Hey, as long as you're not dabbling and 353 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: the Mark Sanchez men, you're there, you're in, You're in 354 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: good shape. They that's fine, right. Dane Briggler, NFL Draft Analysts, 355 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,359 Speaker 1: The Beast is absolutely incredible. 356 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 2: Dane. 357 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: You're always great with us, so we appreciate you. 358 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 2: Making time again anytime. Thanks guys,