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Speaker 1: And definite.
Speaker 5: Game of performance. Love Jack's performance, pretty much the whole cast.
Speaker 5: You know, some people are playing about the length for
Speaker 5: the movie to me, and this, indeed, everything fell in mind,
Speaker 5: everything my how I was supposed to go, everybody makes
Speaker 5: everybody knows about the inning in terms of the ending.
Speaker 3: Like I felt like it pay off is great.
Speaker 1: Basically sort of.
Speaker 5: I thought it was gonna be one of my dream sequences,
Speaker 5: and then something else happened, so I was stuck and
Speaker 5: it just kept going I'm like, this is July, how
Speaker 5: this movie is in it? So if that's basically it,
Speaker 5: I just picked this movie to my favorite movies. So
Speaker 5: hopefully the crew enjoys as much as I do. Hopefully
Speaker 5: I don't get it's ship Ball or super right, It's.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite movies. Thank you?
Speaker 4: Do y'all say that nowadays as Kyle casually talking about stuff.
Speaker 1: Shall Shipball is made it because of you? So I've
Speaker 1: started to say that a little bit more. Then i'ma
Speaker 1: having to catch myself. So I'm like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: what the hell going on?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: Okay? Uh to the party?
Speaker 1: Can I say something real quick?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 1: I thank you guys for your patients. We were we
Speaker 1: missed dead line to get this out last week, but
Speaker 1: with Nick departing, I asked if we were able to.
Speaker 3: I thought he was.
Speaker 2: I don't know, while let it's our bad job.
Speaker 4: Have you seen this movie before? I haven't.
Speaker 3: This was my first. This is your first time?
Speaker 5: Wow?
Speaker 1: Look at me like that guy?
Speaker 3: Because of him I was before me.
Speaker 4: You know, i'mder saying, like you you still watch movies?
Speaker 4: I thought you was one of.
Speaker 3: Your I put I try to put it on.
Speaker 6: So I've tried to put it onto movies, but I
Speaker 6: stopped because she kept falling asleep on them.
Speaker 4: Upset.
Speaker 6: I'm not I'm not recommend any more movies for you
Speaker 6: to watch.
Speaker 4: So when you so, when you saw two and a
Speaker 4: half hours, what was you thinking?
Speaker 3: She didn't see it at first, She didn't know.
Speaker 1: I think I paused it was all right, it's for
Speaker 1: five minutes left, So what do we have to do?
Speaker 7: How many drug deals do we have to do?
Speaker 3: She came home later, she was like, oh, let's like,
Speaker 3: oh you know something.
Speaker 1: How long this movie is?
Speaker 3: He didn't? You were mad?
Speaker 4: It's March, says he don't do like short movies that.
Speaker 1: I don't think the two hours plus.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is my first watch.
Speaker 3: What you think?
Speaker 4: I really fucked with it. I like that I was
Speaker 4: in it, Like at two o'clock in the morning, I
Speaker 4: was still up and watching it.
Speaker 3: So that's right. What about you is this?
Speaker 4: Is this one of your favorites or just something that
Speaker 4: you like in general?
Speaker 6: It's funny because I did. I did really like this
Speaker 6: movie when it came out. I hadn't watched it since
Speaker 6: it came from It's not one that I rewatched. And
Speaker 6: I think because you you do with the ending and
Speaker 6: all that you know at the end, that's one of
Speaker 6: the that's why it fall falls into one of those
Speaker 6: buckets for me. Once I've seen it, I've seen it
Speaker 6: even though even though I think it's it's good, I think,
Speaker 6: oh yeah, I would just say yeah, it's good. But
Speaker 6: it's one of those ones that, yeah, I hadn't been
Speaker 6: back to watch it because once you know the ending,
Speaker 6: it's like, you know the ending?
Speaker 3: What about you again?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I love it, man, Yeah, it's It's one of
Speaker 1: the rare movies that I can watch over and over again.
Speaker 1: And I think it's everything that leads up to the end,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's just that final shot, you know,
Speaker 1: if you that that final shot at the end with
Speaker 1: the rat, it's just kind of you know that it's
Speaker 1: just kind of helped set up everything else. And yeah, Jack,
Speaker 1: everybody was super super really good in this, so so yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was all in it. Like I haven't watched it before,
Speaker 1: so yeah, man, what about you?
Speaker 8: I seen it, uh three times. I remember when it
Speaker 8: first came out. It was one of one of my
Speaker 8: favorite movies. The ending never really hit for me though,
Speaker 8: I ain't really like it.
Speaker 3: I like, we're gonna get it to that, Okay, all right?
Speaker 5: What he did?
Speaker 8: Absolutely the movie throughout the performances by Jack matt Leo
Speaker 8: all like, as the patron guy was saying, all of
Speaker 8: them had great performances.
Speaker 1: I think the plot, the storyline was good, but the
Speaker 1: ending is like he gave up.
Speaker 3: This movie two hours old.
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean that's that's that's the point.
Speaker 3: What about you, Mike?
Speaker 9: Uh No, this is this is one of the best
Speaker 9: Scorsese films, easily, easily. I definitely remember seeing this in
Speaker 9: the theater and being all, know, what the is going on?
Speaker 1: I'm confused.
Speaker 9: It's definitely something you need to watch a couple of
Speaker 9: times because it moves a little bit fast for me.
Speaker 9: But yeah, this movie is incredible, and I'm on the
Speaker 9: opposite end, Despike.
Speaker 3: That ending is perfect.
Speaker 9: That ending is perfect because it leaves an entire whole
Speaker 9: conversation open to talk. So Na that movie, this movie
Speaker 9: is amazing. Yeah, the writer you know it was taken
Speaker 9: for another movie, right, did you know that movie? Asian film?
Speaker 9: Asian Asian film. It's an Asian film called Internal Yeah,
Speaker 9: Internal Affairs. They were trying to adapt it to an
Speaker 9: American story, and they did a good job. I forget
Speaker 9: the guy who the guy that wrote it, William Monahan, Yeah,
Speaker 9: William Monaghan, and then Scratch Sacey came in to direct it.
Speaker 9: But it's it's some of the things are pretty much
Speaker 9: shot for shot, but some people do prefer the Asian version.
Speaker 6: I'll be curious to see about one particular shot if.
Speaker 3: That's the same.
Speaker 4: Well, it's it's subtitle, so there's a lot of dialogue.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what it mainly is. If it's dialogue heavy
Speaker 6: with subtitles.
Speaker 3: But the Asian person is fucking awesome.
Speaker 1: I gotta watch it to my list now.
Speaker 2: This is one of the movies I watched during the summer,
Speaker 2: I think of twenty fifteen when I was just watching
Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff because I didn't.
Speaker 3: See it's like eleven years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't see it when it came out, but
Speaker 2: I've heard about it when it afterwards. I just didn't
Speaker 2: really get a chance to watch it. But watching it,
Speaker 2: I was like, damn, Like it was like it's hard
Speaker 2: not to get caught up into the in the movie
Speaker 2: because like once it starts, especially with like the beginning
Speaker 2: with Jack Nicholson and how he does the intro and
Speaker 2: he kind of like he sets the tone so good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like I was just I was just bought in and
Speaker 2: then like the twists and just like how they did everything.
Speaker 2: I think it's one of it's one of his best movies,
Speaker 2: like you mentioned, Mike, and I think it probably is
Speaker 2: one of the best Leo movies in general.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 4: But I didn't say it was the business. You can't
Speaker 4: even say it with a straight face.
Speaker 2: I know y'all don't like it as well, but I'm
Speaker 2: glad we all enjoyed it though, that does I guess Patre, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you got one with us. But as I mentioned, we
Speaker 2: start off, you know, in South Boston in the mid
Speaker 2: eighties with Frank Costello Jack Nicholson's character explaining how he
Speaker 2: runs things in South Boston and how and it also
Speaker 2: showcases how he recruits a young Colin Sullivan as a
Speaker 2: kid and then grows up twenty years later and we
Speaker 2: find out what he's into.
Speaker 4: What did you think about the opening of this movie?
Speaker 1: It gave me.
Speaker 3: What's the movie? Uh, freaking with shit? Lion King?
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, the other Mafia movie where he
Speaker 6: drive backwards fuck where they drive back our brox Tail
Speaker 6: Heat Drive Back with Rayleyoda.
Speaker 1: He good Fellas, Good Fellows gave me good Fellas vibes.
Speaker 3: It it did feel like like a Boston version.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Boston version of like good like it gave me
Speaker 6: those type of vibes. I really like, I'm sorry when
Speaker 6: we watched it, that's what.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 7: They did a really good job of setting Jack Nicholson
Speaker 7: up as the villain the way they like when he
Speaker 7: was doing his monologue, they didn't really show his face,
Speaker 7: like he stayed in the shadow and then it's like
Speaker 7: and then he comes out, and yeah, I think they
Speaker 7: did a really really good job of setting him up.
Speaker 3: To be this menace.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, the I'm saying nigger and the
Speaker 1: other one saying nigger was like, whoa. It was stinging, bro.
Speaker 1: But but it's real, because that's that's honestly how you
Speaker 1: know the Irish, well, not to degree you know they
Speaker 1: there is a not a good relationship there and but yeah,
Speaker 1: it was it was something he said or even on
Speaker 1: the rewatch this time it was like, yeah, man, it said.
Speaker 1: The thing about that separads the Irish from the niggas
Speaker 1: or whatever is that we don't expect things to be
Speaker 1: given to us on paraphrase, we gotta go out there
Speaker 1: and take it. And I was like, damn, Like shit,
Speaker 1: you know, what if is there a mindset that you
Speaker 1: know should be adopted or it needs to be adopted?
Speaker 1: So I couldn't help but wonder about that. This is
Speaker 1: not the podcast for that discussion, but it was. It
Speaker 1: was interesting, like this rewatch because there's a lot of
Speaker 1: things that are said and you'll be like, damn, that's
Speaker 1: an interesting point just outside of that. But you know,
Speaker 1: this time, I was like, damn, man, I wonder I
Speaker 1: think would things be different if you take away the
Speaker 1: institutional racism and stuff like that. But but yeah, it
Speaker 1: was a good setup for open scene with him and everything,
Speaker 1: introducing the young Matt Damon and stuff like that. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it was dope. What about you lout?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I like to leave it like you said Jack
Speaker 8: nickoson doing the over the voice over of it and
Speaker 8: then having mystery behind it and then the final like
Speaker 8: reveal of him coming out. I think it really set
Speaker 8: him up to be a good villain throughout the I.
Speaker 2: Didn't realize how much a piece of shit he was
Speaker 2: until like the beginning with where he was talking to
Speaker 2: the girl the cash.
Speaker 1: You got your period, And I think that I was like,
Speaker 1: what the ready and her.
Speaker 4: Daddy was I guess the owner and he was just
Speaker 4: standing there. He couldn't do ship. I was like, that's
Speaker 4: that's like, that's power money, it's a makeup.
Speaker 1: I'm like, And because I think that's what. Because that,
Speaker 1: I would assume maybe the owner was irish and they
Speaker 1: kind of praying on their own community too, with you.
Speaker 3: Know, protection and all that.
Speaker 4: Like, what did you think about Jack Nicholson And overall
Speaker 4: his performance in this movie?
Speaker 3: He's he's great. I think he was amazing in US.
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people did not like his performance.
Speaker 1: When really I did not know that they thought he was.
Speaker 9: The accent is definitely off very well. There was a
Speaker 9: lot of people in this movie where their accents are off.
Speaker 9: But yeah, for Boston, Yeah again Boston. You got a
Speaker 9: lot of from Boston for a while. I didn't grow
Speaker 9: up there. My family is all from there. My brother
Speaker 9: and sisters still have their accents.
Speaker 1: People from He's like a people like people.
Speaker 3: I'm more California than Yeah.
Speaker 4: That's always because associated with California.
Speaker 1: The majority of my family, people from Boston hate movie.
Speaker 1: Boston accent.
Speaker 3: It's always wrong.
Speaker 8: Always thought there was at the town said they did
Speaker 8: well because Ben Affleck what.
Speaker 4: About good will hunting?
Speaker 3: Ben Affleck and and and Mark Wahlberg are from there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I don't know if Matt Damon is or not. I
Speaker 9: don't think he is because yeah, little Hunt and he was,
Speaker 9: he was. Boston accents are usually really off. Yeah, they
Speaker 9: exaggerate the cough and it just starts to sound stupid.
Speaker 3: Damn. Yeah, that's what they didn't like.
Speaker 9: They didn't like Jack Nicholson's performance. They thought he was
Speaker 9: over the top. They thought he was too exaggeratory.
Speaker 3: I thought he was.
Speaker 2: Great, So that's what I'm saying. What, Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 2: take that away at all. Do you see that now
Speaker 2: after after rewatching it.
Speaker 9: I think it's because Pacino was supposed to play that role.
Speaker 9: So I think people once they heard that, they're like, oh,
Speaker 9: Batino would have been better. Jack Nicholson sucks. Jack Nicholson
Speaker 9: was great. He's always great. So no, I mean I
Speaker 9: believed every word out of his mouth. He played that
Speaker 9: role perfectly. In my opinion, I.
Speaker 4: Think it definitely not as you say, al Pacino would
Speaker 4: have been in it.
Speaker 7: I definitely can see why people would have a comparison
Speaker 7: because Pacino is such a such a personality and such
Speaker 7: a big year. There were moments where I was like,
Speaker 7: he's playing this real, like kind of losing his mind crazy.
Speaker 7: It was like it was a monologue at the table
Speaker 7: when he was doing like a lot of hand gestures
Speaker 7: and I was like, he's playing this like he's like
Speaker 7: a mobster losing his mind.
Speaker 3: They said that that was him, like a white direct
Speaker 3: him to do that, just like they let him.
Speaker 2: Go when he brought that when he brought that dildo stuff,
Speaker 2: they said that was him improvised.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's not that's hilarious. That's hilarious.
Speaker 3: That's how good he is.
Speaker 9: He said, he just he came to the set, he
Speaker 9: knew what he had to do, but then he just
Speaker 9: made it his own. I think it's because he also
Speaker 9: knew that Pacino was supposed to play that role, so.
Speaker 4: He's like, all right, let me show you what I
Speaker 4: like a Pacino type exactly. You don't think that he
Speaker 4: was trying to do Paccino at all.
Speaker 3: It was just like he was trying to do I
Speaker 3: Am crazy. Yeah was more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole when he was having one of the
Speaker 1: one of the monolized. When did the little rat thing?
Speaker 3: Yep?
Speaker 1: It was that was so good?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought he was amazing, But I also was thinking, like,
Speaker 2: was this the last really good great Jack Nicholson performer?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Nick, question, bro, I I'm trying to.
Speaker 2: I was trying to because I feel like after this
Speaker 2: he went to like the bucket list with more than
Speaker 2: Free May. He started doing anger management with that. I'm
Speaker 2: saying it was like this nigga just making me movies
Speaker 2: and for the checks. You might be right on that,
Speaker 2: because I'm like, what was the last good movie.
Speaker 3: Since this Forever hater?
Speaker 1: When he asked these questions. When you ask these questions,
Speaker 1: do you go to their I m dB and ask.
Speaker 3: What I'm doing right now?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: When I when I asked these questions, I don't go to.
Speaker 1: The I m D all the time when I ask him,
Speaker 1: you just remember.
Speaker 4: I'm just trying to remember, like when was the last
Speaker 4: good one?
Speaker 2: I'm like, because I'm watching this movie like I'm captivated
Speaker 2: by it, I'm like, Damn, what was the last good one?
Speaker 4: I'm like, hold on, this isoud six, I'm still here.
Speaker 3: He was good in that Phoenix. I don't I've never
Speaker 3: seen bucket lists. But he's only doing a few movies
Speaker 3: since then.
Speaker 7: So I mean, like I'm still he's older, so I
Speaker 7: can see him like taking it like chilling.
Speaker 4: It's been in twenty ten since he's done a film
Speaker 4: like this was big.
Speaker 3: He was just in Lakers games, Lakers games. I don't
Speaker 3: blame him. He has nothing to prove.
Speaker 4: He don't, he don't, he don't.
Speaker 1: Broas I got ship anymore.
Speaker 4: He ain't doing shit.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm trying to say. But I agree.
Speaker 2: And then as we go into of course, we see
Speaker 2: I talked about young Coline Sullivan who's played by Matt Damon,
Speaker 2: his role in his character Rob.
Speaker 4: What did you think about Matt Damon.
Speaker 3: Super comfortable, super Like?
Speaker 6: I don't know, man, he just looks like effortless for him,
Speaker 6: Like when he was playing this character, like it seemed
Speaker 6: like it was him. And so now, man, I thought
Speaker 6: he did a really really great job at playing both sides.
Speaker 6: You know, you know, law enforcement and you know kind
Speaker 6: of like a spot, well not a kind of, but
Speaker 6: a spy inside the enforcement.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, a rat, you know. But no, I think
Speaker 1: super comfortable is a really good description because yeah, that
Speaker 1: that's that's that's him. Like he's just effortless, bro, just
Speaker 1: like I'm in my zone and my element. I'm at home,
Speaker 1: you know, just doing both and just arrogant, cocky, protected.
Speaker 1: Felt very much like, you know, he could do whatever
Speaker 1: he wanted, and it was with whoever he was in
Speaker 1: the scene with ye just like chemistry with one person.
Speaker 6: It was just like whoever was in the scene with him,
Speaker 6: he was just as comfortable like with the girlfriend with Warburg,
Speaker 6: Like it didn't matter who was in the scene with him,
Speaker 6: he was still comfortable, really comfortable. That's what That was
Speaker 6: my big one of my biggest takeaways looking at it
Speaker 6: with these type of eyes, I think this.
Speaker 7: Is the best I've ever seen Matt Damon perform, Like
Speaker 7: out of all of the performances that I've seen of
Speaker 7: his I think watching this, I was.
Speaker 4: Like, yo, like he's even good Will haunting. Yeah, I've
Speaker 4: never I never was big.
Speaker 3: Oh really know I sa was actually was.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I remember like thinking and I remember like because that
Speaker 7: was the first time we saw then ifflecting Matt Damon,
Speaker 7: and I was like, oh, they're cool. And I think
Speaker 7: they wrote it or something together, right, So I was like,
Speaker 7: I mean, oh, that's cool.
Speaker 3: They're talented.
Speaker 7: But I remember being like more into Robin Williams performance
Speaker 7: than theirs. But yeah, I was like, oh no, this
Speaker 7: is like this is must be what God Matt Damon
Speaker 7: all them other roles because he did this.
Speaker 3: All right. Yeah sneez, sorry, like.
Speaker 4: I thought that lunch down right?
Speaker 3: What about you? What you think about David?
Speaker 1: This is one of my favorite Matt Damon performances other
Speaker 1: than the Martian. I don't think that one really happened.
Speaker 8: This was like Rod said, man, he was just saying
Speaker 8: his own like you can tell like it wouldn't Oh,
Speaker 8: I got to show up, I got my lines, like
Speaker 8: he wasn't natural for this.
Speaker 7: I love him and I feel like he had Him
Speaker 7: and Leo obviously had a very similar like roles that
Speaker 7: they had to play because they are playing both sides.
Speaker 1: But he just I felt like his role has so many.
Speaker 7: Different intricacies and layers and how he was playing the
Speaker 7: two sides and he did them so easily.
Speaker 4: Would you say that he out acted Leo.
Speaker 3: In this movie? I think so.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Personally, I'm gonna get like, I want to get your
Speaker 2: thoughts on back David in general in this movie.
Speaker 4: But that's a question that I'm bringing up.
Speaker 3: Obviously, Yeah, he was really good. I don't think. I
Speaker 3: don't think he outshined Leo. Nah, but I mean.
Speaker 4: I think he Yeah, he was fine. I'm not a
Speaker 4: big mac Damon guy.
Speaker 3: I was getting that.
Speaker 4: I was getting that vibe from you.
Speaker 3: He's fine.
Speaker 9: He never blows me away. Google Hunting can eat shit.
Speaker 9: That movie's like what the fuck ever?
Speaker 6: But but like the Apples, he probably ain't see that
Speaker 6: if he if he don't get it, was like a modist.
Speaker 3: I don't remember if.
Speaker 1: I saw that he was he was growing playings on Mars.
Speaker 1: But he was good. He played out ship out of there.
Speaker 9: I mean, you're growing plants on Mars, probably pretty hard
Speaker 9: to play it. But yeah, I don't have to go
Speaker 9: see it. Space Castaway, Space Castaway. But I never thought
Speaker 9: he was bad. He's definitely not a bad I was
Speaker 9: literally looking at his filmography while y'all were talking, and
Speaker 9: I'm like, I haven't seen half the ship, but he's.
Speaker 3: Identity. But yeah, he's fine.
Speaker 9: But nah, Leo, I think it was amazing, even this
Speaker 9: little scrunchy faced the whole movie.
Speaker 3: And that's what I was going to say, see see
Speaker 3: that's the difference.
Speaker 5: For me.
Speaker 6: I feel like he just played one thing the whole movie,
Speaker 6: whereas Matt Damon kind of, I don't know, it seemed.
Speaker 3: Like you had more range. I disagree played one thing.
Speaker 3: He played terrified.
Speaker 9: He had to play angry because think about it, anytime
Speaker 9: he spoke to the cops, he was scared shitless and
Speaker 9: he conveyed that so well. And then when you start
Speaker 9: to see his slow transition, I feel like only few
Speaker 9: actors can make that work.
Speaker 3: When he transitioned into I am almost in this gang.
Speaker 9: At this point, I'm shooting people in the knee because
Speaker 9: I'm so deep in this undercover shit. I think both
Speaker 9: of them had very complex roles, but I think I
Speaker 9: just prefer Leonardo DiCaprio in general as an actor.
Speaker 5: For me.
Speaker 4: With Matt Damon, I feel like he shines the best
Speaker 4: when he's in ensembles like this.
Speaker 2: It goes back to like Ocean's eleven and twelve, and
Speaker 2: even with stuff like Interstellar and stuff like that, I
Speaker 2: think he just sticks out when he's around a great
Speaker 2: group of actors. And arguably I'm trying to because and
Speaker 2: we can get to Leo's part or as far as
Speaker 2: like who.
Speaker 3: He was in this movie. But I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, this may be want to hit Matt Damon's
Speaker 2: best roles, and that's why, like Leo's just doing Leo.
Speaker 2: Leo's always batting out hunting for me, like he's always
Speaker 2: doing great things, but this role just a Matt Damon
Speaker 2: stands out. But what did y'all think about Leo in
Speaker 2: this role as what was his name?
Speaker 1: Bill?
Speaker 4: No, I don't.
Speaker 7: I do think that Leo did a really good job
Speaker 7: in this role too. I think, like I said, I
Speaker 7: think both of their roles were like parallel in the
Speaker 7: in their complexity and then both playing both sides.
Speaker 4: But I do, I do think that he was a
Speaker 4: good like opposite to.
Speaker 7: To Matt Damon because when Matt Damon seemed very comfortable,
Speaker 7: very confident, very cool and collected playing both sides, he
Speaker 7: played very anxious, very frantic, very the opposite of that.
Speaker 7: So No, I really did enjoy watching the two parallels
Speaker 7: of those two characters.
Speaker 2: For me, it was like in Leo's character his name
Speaker 2: is Billy Billy Junior. It was the scene where he
Speaker 2: was in the UH in the bar with the pool
Speaker 2: table UH and he had the cast on to me.
Speaker 2: That was like, man, this is like two great actors
Speaker 2: going at it. Like he's, like you said, Mike said,
Speaker 2: like he's conveying terrified, but he's also trying to be convincing.
Speaker 2: And also in his head, I'm looking I'm assuming he's
Speaker 2: thinking like, what what the fuck did I get myself into?
Speaker 2: I thought that was awesome what he did there. And
Speaker 2: I also thought that the two the only two cops
Speaker 2: he was confessed all this ship too. They was the
Speaker 2: pieces of ship. They didn't give him no reassurance.
Speaker 1: I was like garbage queen and and uh.
Speaker 2: Because they just didn't seem like they was like all right, bro,
Speaker 2: we hear you, but you still gotta go do the
Speaker 2: ship like like nigg I'm about to die them off.
Speaker 3: Job Street.
Speaker 4: Did he really or did they kind of give him
Speaker 4: no choice?
Speaker 7: Because when he went into that first interview with them,
Speaker 7: it was kind of like, well, you're not finna be
Speaker 7: a cop, but if you want to do something, you
Speaker 7: can do this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had the choice. He could have been like
Speaker 3: all right, cool, I'm out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't have.
Speaker 3: To go undercover.
Speaker 1: Definitely a mind fuck.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they mind fucked him.
Speaker 1: That's the only way you're gonna get this job, is right.
Speaker 7: Essentially, it's the only way you're gonna get this job.
Speaker 7: We know you've gotten this job because you're trying to
Speaker 7: get as far away from who the fuck your family
Speaker 7: is as possible, So we know how much this means
Speaker 7: to you, and we're gonna dangle the careen in front
Speaker 7: of your face and say you can do it if
Speaker 7: you do this for us. And the minute you don't
Speaker 7: do this for or you start questioning, it's like, well, nigga,
Speaker 7: you stuck, cause I'll delete all you. Nobody else will
Speaker 7: know that you do this shit, and now you really stuck.
Speaker 3: That's the opposite of a mind fuck.
Speaker 9: That sounds like I'm being real open and honest with
Speaker 9: your ass, and you were too dumb to be like,
Speaker 9: all right, well cool, this sounds like some bullshit, let
Speaker 9: me leave. A mind fuck would be like, yeah, man,
Speaker 9: it's not gonna be that bad. Like, you know, you
Speaker 9: might have to deal with a little bit of bullshit,
Speaker 9: but you'll get through it. We're gonna have your back.
Speaker 9: They didn't do all that.
Speaker 4: They're like, this is gonna suck.
Speaker 1: It's a bit a both because it was it was
Speaker 1: like they knew he really wanted to be a cop. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: They were open and honest, was like, Yo, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna be a cop, but you could be a cop
Speaker 1: this way because you really want to be a cop.
Speaker 1: I got a way for you to be a cop.
Speaker 1: So they did manipulate him, bro, because they played on
Speaker 1: this one thing that he really really wanted to do.
Speaker 9: They said, you have been pretending to be a cop,
Speaker 9: so we're gonna let you keep pretending to be a cop.
Speaker 1: He was in the academy, right, he fell out of
Speaker 1: the academy, So where does the pretending came wrong?
Speaker 3: That's what they called him.
Speaker 2: Pretending because because family background, and because they it sounded
Speaker 2: like they were kind of saying like, you're not like
Speaker 2: really a great cop anyway, but if you go do this,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe that'll change.
Speaker 3: That didn't really like a mind fuck.
Speaker 4: They ain't help, they ain't support them, They ain't give
Speaker 4: him good enough support.
Speaker 3: What did you want them to do? He got in
Speaker 3: there and act like a bitch. Granted really so, but
Speaker 3: he did. He got in there.
Speaker 2: It's not like they lied to him about what he
Speaker 2: was going to be doing. He got in there a
Speaker 2: start crying, isn't hud, they're gonna counting. What the fun dude,
Speaker 2: You signed the paper a little.
Speaker 1: Bitch, and you from that world. So your expectations should have.
Speaker 9: Been his uncle from that world, but that his family,
Speaker 9: his whole family. He should have been shocked, like, was
Speaker 9: uh was it his friend his father? They said, his uncle,
Speaker 9: Remember his friend got killed?
Speaker 1: Or was it his cousin's friend.
Speaker 4: That got killed, the one he saw the obituary for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was I think during the microp the microprocessors. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he got killed. But remember he got out of jail.
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, you know, friend from high school
Speaker 1: just wound up dead or something like that. So you know,
Speaker 1: either way it goes. He's in this world and he's
Speaker 1: very familiar with it. So to your Pointspike, he knew
Speaker 1: what he was signing up. But it's also he wanted
Speaker 1: to disconnect himself from that world as well, and he
Speaker 1: tried to do it and they I think they used him.
Speaker 9: Bro of course cops do. I'm just saying he was.
Speaker 9: He should have known he was getting into, especially if
Speaker 9: he came from that world, because I thought at one
Speaker 9: point they said his dad was like scary too, because
Speaker 9: remember they were saying that if your dad.
Speaker 3: Knew that we were in here, yeah, and he would
Speaker 3: kill everybody to get to me.
Speaker 4: And he said the same thing about his uncle, so
Speaker 4: he should have known. So once you get in there,
Speaker 4: why are you now crying?
Speaker 1: I think French, mister French, you know, kind of gave
Speaker 1: him that credibilities, like, oh, yeah, I knew your dad.
Speaker 1: Your dad was like one of those one of those
Speaker 1: one one of those guys. But but but yeah, I
Speaker 1: think just Leo's just development from throughout the movie. It's progression.
Speaker 1: It's just incredible from us, you know, just hey, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take it, you know, and then become paranoid, then
Speaker 1: falling in love and then you seeing all that emotions
Speaker 1: play out with her. It was, yeah, it was, it was.
Speaker 1: It was great to trying to be a hero at
Speaker 1: the end. It's insane.
Speaker 3: Rob.
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you, you always ever since you
Speaker 2: mentioned I always think about it. Now there's always a
Speaker 2: love story in a movie. What did you think about
Speaker 2: the love triangle that David, what's the name of Leo?
Speaker 6: I was gonna say, like that particular scene, it does
Speaker 6: bring up a good argument argument for Leo versus Matt Damon,
Speaker 6: because I feel like his scenes, his scenes with the
Speaker 6: with the therapist, you could tell like she was like,
Speaker 6: legit frustrated with how he was being Like I was like, damn,
Speaker 6: like when she was just trying to when he wanted
Speaker 6: to get the pills and all that, and that whole
Speaker 6: monologue when he was going back and forth with her.
Speaker 6: That was really really impressive the first Yes, that was
Speaker 6: really really impressive. So yeah, yeah, man, that was really impressive.
Speaker 6: That was really impressive. But it's something you said Ken
Speaker 6: the micro process, and I never thought about this until now,
Speaker 6: like now that we do these reviews, is that that
Speaker 6: was absolutely a maguffin.
Speaker 3: Like it had nothing like to really do with the story.
Speaker 6: It just kind of pushed the story along and it
Speaker 6: didn't have no major significance. The microprocessor, that's what they
Speaker 6: were trying to catch him doing, right, But it had
Speaker 6: no like real like you could have put anything there.
Speaker 9: That's what no mcguffin is when you can put anything
Speaker 9: there and has zero bearing on the story. I don't
Speaker 9: think that this had a bearing around because that's why
Speaker 9: they were after him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but anything that's not a mcguffin, that's just a
Speaker 3: plot device.
Speaker 9: Mcguffin is no, mcguffin is basically like it has zero
Speaker 9: to do with the story at all, Like they make it.
Speaker 4: They make you think it has something to do with
Speaker 4: the story, but it doesn't.
Speaker 7: This did the Blue Diamond and Titanic is a mcguffin
Speaker 7: because we didn't have it. Never comes back in the
Speaker 7: storyline at.
Speaker 3: The end, she drops it in the ocean. But it
Speaker 3: didn't mean anything.
Speaker 9: It meant nothing. It'd be different if Leo dove after it,
Speaker 9: and then that was the whole reason. Yeah, that was
Speaker 9: the whole reason that was going to look for it.
Speaker 1: He dove after the diamonded let him go find my diamond.
Speaker 1: He was.
Speaker 3: Either way. I think that.
Speaker 9: I think the microprocessors had a point because otherwise I
Speaker 9: don't know the government would have cared as much. They
Speaker 9: were trying to catch him because they were worried that
Speaker 9: these microprocesses were going to get to was it China
Speaker 9: and there was gonna be a war, and.
Speaker 1: He gave them fake was They wasn't even real micro processes.
Speaker 4: Cut your face up a real microprocessor?
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, I missed that part.
Speaker 1: It was like the small pieces.
Speaker 3: I thought was just him being an asshole. They were
Speaker 3: legit fake.
Speaker 1: I think the process. Yeah, I believe so did the Chinese,
Speaker 1: because remember they captured the Chinese. Remember they captured them,
Speaker 1: they got they got arrested, and that's how they realized
Speaker 1: that he basically gave him some bullshit?
Speaker 3: Why do I remember that? Okay?
Speaker 1: It was very like, yeah, conversation, you have to watch. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I caught it this time. I didn't catch it the
Speaker 1: first time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Mike, what's you thinking about the love triangle?
Speaker 3: She a whole just like Batman? Like who like growing Batman?
Speaker 3: Rachel Man?
Speaker 9: Now you okay, first off, you want to talk about
Speaker 9: a terrible Boston accent. They should have her cast her
Speaker 9: and it kept coming and going.
Speaker 3: That's from And then she kept coming and.
Speaker 1: Going, but was back because because because damon, Damon wasn't working, right,
Speaker 1: that is.
Speaker 3: That what she was didn't work.
Speaker 4: I don't know why they put that in there, though,
Speaker 4: but because she was unsatisfied.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was kind of a you know, patient not
Speaker 1: more she's like, I transfer your.
Speaker 3: I don't Yeah, that her her her whole part in this.
Speaker 3: I was just like, it's kind of useless.
Speaker 8: It was.
Speaker 3: Now her ass is a mcguffin. That baby was a mcguffin.
Speaker 3: Is what it was.
Speaker 9: Oh no, I like that aspect because now the baby
Speaker 9: has no dad because she didn't keep her.
Speaker 2: Because I mean, both of them are dead no matter.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know who the other is, but it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter because they're both dead. But she is a man,
Speaker 2: her ass, nasty, she.
Speaker 3: Of them that's fucked up.
Speaker 9: And then come to find out that they're at on
Speaker 9: either this whole thing and she's gonna is she gonna start.
Speaker 1: Yapping fucking ship and crying at his death.
Speaker 3: They stayed doing that ship, stay doing that.
Speaker 1: Ship that he was like, wait a damn man, it was.
Speaker 3: Hell no he was. He was sucking up. Yeah.
Speaker 9: Nah, her acting is good, her accent was terrible, and
Speaker 9: I didn't really yeah, I hated her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just always thought that they were just yeah,
Speaker 2: it kind of was to your point, Mike, like she
Speaker 2: was she was there to kind of push, I guess,
Speaker 2: to keep the world a little bit smaller, like the
Speaker 2: small world and ship.
Speaker 7: Like that that and to kind of just I think
Speaker 7: her they used her to kind to again show the
Speaker 7: parallels between these two characters. She attracted the same type
Speaker 7: of man, just on different sides of the playing field.
Speaker 7: So I think that they them both being involved with
Speaker 7: her shows. This is a further way to show how
Speaker 7: similar they are.
Speaker 3: Mike, I think you said like literally her ass.
Speaker 4: I mean we saw a little draws she had the whole.
Speaker 3: Leg stretched out and everything.
Speaker 4: It was like, okay, girl, go ahead, therapeutize me.
Speaker 3: Lou, What did you, Lou? What did you think about
Speaker 3: the father?
Speaker 2: So relationship between Matt Damon and Jack Nicholson's character and
Speaker 2: how that played up, Hm.
Speaker 8: The father saw a relationship like how he treated him
Speaker 8: basically just like I think it was good. It was showing,
Speaker 8: like from the real character white Boys, how much power
Speaker 8: that he had and was able to get somebody to
Speaker 8: infiltrate the police, and how much able he was to
Speaker 8: manipulate Matt Damon to get him to do what he wanted,
Speaker 8: and that made him more powerful in turn throughout the
Speaker 8: whole ain't so, I wasn't mad.
Speaker 4: Did you see that betrayal coming?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: I did not. I didn't think that. I didn't think
Speaker 1: that mad Damon. No, I didn't.
Speaker 4: Did that surprise you?
Speaker 1: It did, but it didn't, but it did, right, Like.
Speaker 7: Matt Damon's character is really arrogant, so when he saw
Speaker 7: what why I'm not fast, it did, because so, yeah,
Speaker 7: he's groomed him since he was a very little boy,
Speaker 7: so you feel like his loyalty is to him, right,
Speaker 7: And he goes throughout this whole movie showing that he
Speaker 7: is very much loyal to What's the Night Frank to Frank.
Speaker 7: But he's also arrogant, and he thinks he has everybody
Speaker 7: like on a string, and he feels like he's calling
Speaker 7: all these shots, which he kind of says when they
Speaker 7: meet in the point in the in the movie theater,
Speaker 7: like the conversations kind of just let me do my ship.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm good at what I do kind of thing.
Speaker 7: So he's real arrogant, so you kind of should have
Speaker 7: seen it coming when he realized that, Oh, he played
Speaker 7: me right.
Speaker 1: You're an FBI informant this whole time, and you didn't
Speaker 1: tell me.
Speaker 7: I'm sitting up here telling you everything I'm doing, every
Speaker 7: step i'm making, I'm making all these moves for you,
Speaker 7: and you don't keep me in the loop. So it's like,
Speaker 7: I think his arrogance, because he's so arrogant, he got
Speaker 7: pissed off at that, which is why he was able
Speaker 7: to react the way he did and kind of And
Speaker 7: he didn't even I don't even feel like he meant
Speaker 7: to shoot him. It was just like, oh, he's finna
Speaker 7: shoot me, so let me shoot him. And now, yeah,
Speaker 7: you're about to shoot me again, so I'm an unload
Speaker 7: on you kind of thing.
Speaker 4: So he shot him with an on garbage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think it was. It was the rat thing.
Speaker 1: You know, he grew up in that world and they
Speaker 1: have that cold. So the guy that groomed him and
Speaker 1: raised him and put him in this police department to
Speaker 1: be a rat in the police department is a rat himself.
Speaker 1: It's just like like, how dare you betray me? And
Speaker 1: this this this whole sanctity of being in the mafia.
Speaker 1: You know, rats died was supposed to kill him. So
Speaker 1: so yeah, he was like grow up, but he didn't
Speaker 1: understand that because he's been indoctrinated into like like there's
Speaker 1: this one way and that's it.
Speaker 2: So how'd you feel about that scene, Mike or just
Speaker 2: like how their relationship ended, which particular scene just like
Speaker 2: between Matt Damon and Jack Nicholson at the end or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was good. I mean I was a bit
Speaker 3: when I first saw it.
Speaker 9: I was a bit surprised when they said that he
Speaker 9: was an FBI informant, but then once he explained himself,
Speaker 9: I was like, oh, no, that makes sense where he's like,
Speaker 9: I wasn't. I never gave anybody up that wasn't already
Speaker 9: going down. And that just shows how cops are anyway.
Speaker 9: I mean, that shit really happens. They do have informants.
Speaker 9: They especially the FBI, they let them commit crime until
Speaker 9: like you know, the bill of use to them, but
Speaker 9: as long as they're benefiting the FBI in some way,
Speaker 9: shape or form, they let them keeping that ship. So no,
Speaker 9: it definitely made sense, and it was definitely a cool
Speaker 9: commentary on how those organizations operate.
Speaker 1: And I guess to some degree, and Frank's mind kept
Speaker 1: him clean, you know, it was like, yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: really doing anything wrong. I'm protecting my people. Everybody else
Speaker 1: is just you.
Speaker 4: Know, yeah, if we're all in a in a gang
Speaker 4: or whatever and you slip up, you going right.
Speaker 1: But if one person.
Speaker 9: Slips up, it's like, well, I can either try to
Speaker 9: protect you and then we all get in trouble, or
Speaker 9: I can go ahead and let you go and then
Speaker 9: we all stay safe. So it does make sense and
Speaker 9: to be fair, Frank did shoot at uh Matt Damon's character.
Speaker 3: First, he just I don't know how right there? Oh
Speaker 3: do you actually hit him?
Speaker 1: I think he had a bulletproof vest, and I thought he.
Speaker 3: Hit He did, but I didn't think he hit him.
Speaker 7: It looked because it looked like it should have hit
Speaker 7: him direct, because I thought he winced or something, and
Speaker 7: that's what made me not.
Speaker 9: I thought he jumped because like, if you get shot,
Speaker 9: even with the bulletproof vests, you're gonna go down.
Speaker 1: You're gonna feel it. It's gonna stin. But I'm with you.
Speaker 9: I thought he got shot, You're going down. Real life,
Speaker 9: you get shot with a bulletproofvester going down. It's not
Speaker 9: just like oh okay, I know. But he jumped because
Speaker 9: I don't think he thought Frank was gonna shoot at him.
Speaker 1: I just I guess I took the movie part.
Speaker 7: Of it was like, because he technically should have hit
Speaker 7: him again when he shot him the second time, shot
Speaker 7: at him the second time.
Speaker 9: I don't think he shot off the second time, did he.
Speaker 9: I thought he just started to pull his guns and
Speaker 9: he shot him a.
Speaker 1: Bunch of his shot. I thought he shot got one
Speaker 1: off and then he unloaded on him.
Speaker 4: That's what I thought, I could think.
Speaker 9: I've only seen it once, so okay, So the way
Speaker 9: I saw it, Frank shot but he missed. Matt Damon
Speaker 9: jumped and shot him like you know whatever, and then
Speaker 9: Frank started to come back up with the gun and
Speaker 9: he shot him again. But I don't think Frank got
Speaker 9: off another shot the second time. Well, either way he
Speaker 9: shot first, Yes, either way, he shot first. Definitely, Definitely.
Speaker 9: He just isn't a good shot, which I guess you
Speaker 9: can excuse because he had.
Speaker 4: A Yeah he was, he was already shot himself, right, Rob,
Speaker 4: What did you think about? I guess was this the
Speaker 4: biggest twist of the movie?
Speaker 2: Which one the with uh, well, I guess I don't
Speaker 2: know if I'm jumping the head all the way down
Speaker 2: to the end, but with Leo and like him finally
Speaker 2: being able to confront Matt Damon from being the rat
Speaker 2: that he is or the the.
Speaker 4: Mole and then that elevator scene.
Speaker 2: That shocked me the most because I'm thinking, like, all right, man,
Speaker 2: I'm watching that thing and I'm.
Speaker 6: Like, bruh, Yeah, this probably was the most shocking the
Speaker 6: first time I watched it, Like He's like you know me,
Speaker 6: you know me. He's like, okay, he's about to like
Speaker 6: they ain't even let the door open our way up
Speaker 6: he was shot and I was like, oh, well, shit,
Speaker 6: it shocked you too, right, Yeah, but I already knew
Speaker 6: it was coming. So but yeah, when I first watched this,
Speaker 6: this was probably the most shocking scene. And then Matt
Speaker 6: just take out the dude right there. He was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 6: thanks for helping me up.
Speaker 4: Yeah he does, but god, damn you cut your chest
Speaker 4: like that I did.
Speaker 3: I was waiting to see her reaction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had seen it.
Speaker 2: I was just like, because the scene leading up to
Speaker 2: it make it like that's the last thing that's about
Speaker 2: to happen.
Speaker 7: He's like, he's like, just kill me, just kill me,
Speaker 7: like it's over, Like I'm not gonna be able to
Speaker 7: get out, get out of this, like just kill me.
Speaker 1: And he when he was like I am killing you.
Speaker 7: I was like, oh, he feinna have that nigga under
Speaker 7: the jail. He finna be in the jail with all
Speaker 7: the mafia and niggas.
Speaker 1: And then boom as a rat and they don't like
Speaker 1: that ship.
Speaker 7: Right, and they killed a little little chubby Anthony Anderson.
Speaker 1: He was worthless anywhere. It's slow ass took him forever
Speaker 1: to get down there, right, And that was so random.
Speaker 7: When I find I was like, this is really this
Speaker 7: is like a really random cast thing.
Speaker 9: Lee kind of deserved it, why he was just doing
Speaker 9: too much? That was a that was the stupidest fucking
Speaker 9: plan on earth.
Speaker 1: The absolutely citizens or another cop to get shot.
Speaker 9: But it made sense because they did say that he
Speaker 9: really wanted to be a cop, so he was still
Speaker 9: playing a cop. But it was like, why did you
Speaker 9: do this by yourself? And why didn't you wait for
Speaker 9: fucking Anthony Anderson to show up and then y'all both
Speaker 9: deal with it. It was just it was a stupid
Speaker 9: plan an amazing ending, great writing because it makes sense
Speaker 9: why he did it. But I think the fact that
Speaker 9: it was a stupid plan is why the writing is
Speaker 9: so good.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree, And but Anthony Anderson was not the
Speaker 7: one He needed to call Mark Wahlberg A.
Speaker 4: He tried, remember Mark gone, he couldn't reach him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he tried to call. I was so mad.
Speaker 4: I was like, this ship would not have happened on
Speaker 4: Mark and Mark's watch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. The ending will
Speaker 3: get there. But yeah, I did find it very interesting
Speaker 3: that the other guy was a rat.
Speaker 1: I never fucking and that was his friend from the beginning, right,
Speaker 1: I just now caught that on this third watch. I
Speaker 1: think I was like, oh, ship, that's why friend was
Speaker 1: that was?
Speaker 3: That was my Damon's friend.
Speaker 1: Way in the beginning. He was talking room. He was
Speaker 1: talking down to him in the beginning, because he was
Speaker 1: still a cop and out of you know, a detective or.
Speaker 7: Something like that, and when he was talking to him,
Speaker 7: it's like a dude looked like he was pissed at
Speaker 7: what he was saying, but he was like.
Speaker 3: What I took in the moment was but.
Speaker 7: You're the sergeant, so yes, sir, but it was But
Speaker 7: actually there was cahoots there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was. That was actually really really good writing.
Speaker 9: You're like, oh, you didn't you didn't think you were
Speaker 9: the only one he had inside, did you, which made
Speaker 9: perfect made perfect sense.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I felt bad for him to shoot him.
Speaker 4: Why did he kill him?
Speaker 2: Why didn't mad Damon killed the other couldn't trust him
Speaker 2: at that point. Frank is dead, So what does what
Speaker 2: does this guy have to lose? At this point, there's
Speaker 2: no telling because he was.
Speaker 9: He was saying, like, oh, they were they were gonna
Speaker 9: kill us. They were gonna kill us. And he's like, well, Ship,
Speaker 9: I can't have you knowing who I am. You're the
Speaker 9: only other person who knows who I am. So it
Speaker 9: made perfect sense that he shot him in the head.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 9: But yeah, the first time I saw this ship, it
Speaker 9: was audible when they first shot Leo in the head.
Speaker 2: Is quick, like you mentioned, Like, it's not even elevator
Speaker 2: all the way open. It's like no setup, no, no,
Speaker 2: no facial expressing to see the gun or nothing.
Speaker 1: Nothing.
Speaker 3: I think he's in the middle of saying something and
Speaker 3: he shot.
Speaker 9: He said, no, he says, he says, I am killing you.
Speaker 9: That's the last thing he says. And then the door
Speaker 9: opens and he gets shot in the head. Of course
Speaker 9: they set doesn't fucking around.
Speaker 3: Man, he's almazy.
Speaker 2: Hey, this is where I go with all this stuff
Speaker 2: stems when I keep telling y'all, this stems where I like,
Speaker 2: I don't get attached to motherfuckers these days. When it
Speaker 2: comes to this ship, I expect that I expect everybody
Speaker 2: to die. You ain't expect Leo or died to hend
Speaker 2: of the movie. No, but you alwayspect motherfuckers die in
Speaker 2: the first ten minutes.
Speaker 4: That's how he started off a movie. That's how stopped
Speaker 4: the d That's how stopped.
Speaker 3: The art of.
Speaker 1: Stomped the yard.
Speaker 3: Oh he said stop the yard. That's what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 3: most good movies.
Speaker 4: People dying and kill Chris Brown in the first five
Speaker 4: They needed.
Speaker 2: To interesting the other kill. I guess that shocked us
Speaker 2: all was Marky Mark came back and then with the
Speaker 2: with the slippers on Somethingody knew he was there.
Speaker 1: Hey, back, David was to come home.
Speaker 4: I can't He came home with publics in his arm.
Speaker 1: Had him a sub. I was about to tear this
Speaker 1: and it was interesting because the dog didn't even sunk
Speaker 1: with him when he walked in rat. Yeah, totally didn't
Speaker 1: expect that. But I loved it because he didn't get
Speaker 1: away with it.
Speaker 2: Did you expect him to get away with Up until
Speaker 2: that point I thought he would get away with.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I thought he was gonna get away with it when
Speaker 9: I first saw the movie. But when he opened the
Speaker 9: door and Marky Mark was there with this, with the
Speaker 9: little flippers on him whatever, I was like, Oh, interesting
Speaker 9: in it. I love the fact that Matt Damon was
Speaker 9: just like, Okay, he's accepted. He was like, there's nothing
Speaker 9: I can do.
Speaker 4: Right exactly, and he got away with so much already.
Speaker 3: It's like my bill was gonna be up right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm surprised, you'll just well, I don't even think, well,
Speaker 1: he definitely didn't expect it. But I think because I
Speaker 1: did not like he was so arrogant Matt Damon, So
Speaker 1: I did not like him, and I love when one
Speaker 1: of my favorite parts is when he was like, I
Speaker 1: don't have to tell you shit. When dickna and had
Speaker 1: to come and he started just well on beating the
Speaker 1: ship out of him. I was like, thank you for
Speaker 1: women is at because he had gotten like you said, Spike,
Speaker 1: he gotten away with everything with no repercussions. So I
Speaker 1: love that he got punched in that particular scene. And
Speaker 1: then at the end, so yeah, this shit was great you.
Speaker 6: Were I was asking Naomi, did we ever find out
Speaker 6: what was in the envelope that we didn't?
Speaker 3: Right? It was like, that's so weird.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: So why do you love that? Don't forget your point?
Speaker 3: I won't.
Speaker 9: I just like I like when they drop stuff in
Speaker 9: there that they don't give answers to, because that's what
Speaker 9: I think is amazing about this movie.
Speaker 3: It gives you two huge.
Speaker 9: Things that we don't get actual answers to. We don't
Speaker 9: get answers to what the hell is in that envelope,
Speaker 9: and we don't get an answer to exactly why Dignam
Speaker 9: did what he did. Either he did it because he's
Speaker 9: a cop and he was mad because he was getting
Speaker 9: away with it, or he was also saved. Yeah, I
Speaker 9: still don't know. That's what's That's what's beautiful about this movie.
Speaker 9: The fact that it ends with that rat running across
Speaker 9: the little railing. It's like, okay, wait, so because it
Speaker 9: just doesn't really seem like something a cop would do.
Speaker 9: This seems like something a very person that was in
Speaker 9: there with That's why that's what confused me about the
Speaker 9: whole thing.
Speaker 2: I was like, this is so cops take out. It
Speaker 2: doesn't seem seem like that. I mean, I was happy
Speaker 2: it with him.
Speaker 9: It was just like that was the second thought, because
Speaker 9: it seems like if he was a cop, it seems
Speaker 9: like he would just work the case and try to
Speaker 9: prove that he I mean, I know he was really
Speaker 9: tight with Martin Sheen's character, but that part was really
Speaker 9: sad because I did like his character.
Speaker 4: It was beautiful, was he was scared ship.
Speaker 9: That was a beautiful, beautifully filmed death scene. But yeah,
Speaker 9: on one hand, you think, oh, he was really tight
Speaker 9: with Queen and so it makes sense. But then on
Speaker 9: the other hand, you're like, nah, nah, he basically played
Speaker 9: an assassin that doesn't seem like something a regular ass
Speaker 9: cop would just know how to do.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It didn't pop that so it didn't pop up my
Speaker 1: head onto us having this conversation when I saw it.
Speaker 1: I every every time I've watched up until this very moment,
Speaker 1: I thought he was doing it because he was getting revenge.
Speaker 1: I never really considered the fact that, oh shit, he
Speaker 1: may actually be working for someone else and taking out
Speaker 1: a rat right himself, because he comes across as one
Speaker 1: of those guys that have a cold as well. So
Speaker 1: if there's a rat in the police department, which one
Speaker 1: do you do? Because he quit, remember, But that's.
Speaker 9: What gave me, That's what made me start thinking that,
Speaker 9: oh no, something may right. The way he was treating
Speaker 9: Leo when Leo was calling him was like, where's Queen,
Speaker 9: And he's all, Queen is not around. He's like, well,
Speaker 9: I need help, and he's like all right, yeah, bruh,
Speaker 9: whatever will help you, and then just hung on the
Speaker 9: phone off. I was like, that's weird. That's your informant.
Speaker 9: Why are you being this nonchalant about it? So that plus,
Speaker 9: when he finds out that the other dude is taking charge,
Speaker 9: he's like, no, I'd rather quit. It's like, well, why
Speaker 9: are you quitting just because he's taking charge? It seems
Speaker 9: like you would want to stick around to figure out
Speaker 9: who killed your boy, But instead he's like, no, I'm out.
Speaker 9: So I well, I don't think we'll ever get the
Speaker 9: answer out because they were supposed to be a part too,
Speaker 9: and it never happened.
Speaker 3: But at this point I still don't know.
Speaker 1: And at what point would he would he have found
Speaker 1: out that that Damion's character was a rat.
Speaker 9: Because Matt I think he could put two and two
Speaker 9: together and figure out because Matt Damon is the only
Speaker 9: one that lived through all of this.
Speaker 3: All of these other people are dead.
Speaker 9: Jack is dead, his boy is dead, Anthony Anderson is dead,
Speaker 9: Leo is dead.
Speaker 4: But we also don't know what was in the envelope.
Speaker 9: That part too, but the envelope did, so the only
Speaker 9: person that had the envelope was the hole, right, I
Speaker 9: respect horse.
Speaker 3: I respect horse, I respect horse. It's a big difference.
Speaker 7: The therapist is the only one who had the envelope,
Speaker 7: so I don't I don't see.
Speaker 9: That's what's so awesome is I don't know what he
Speaker 9: could have put on that envelope if anything.
Speaker 7: Happens to me, You're right, if anything happens to me.
Speaker 7: So she opened it, saw what happened, and she probably
Speaker 7: gave it to Day.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, that's right. That's probably what would be.
Speaker 1: He probably told him.
Speaker 3: That's how he found out he was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, it was. I mean, she already knew he
Speaker 1: was a rat from the CD, right, right, it was revenge.
Speaker 4: So it was just him basically writing on the envelope like, yo,
Speaker 4: bat Damon is the rat?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, So so he was he did,
Speaker 1: Yeah he wasn't.
Speaker 9: So okay, So I guess it was still a stupid plan,
Speaker 9: but it wasn't that stupid. And I've watched this movie
Speaker 9: probably ten times. I never put that part together. So
Speaker 9: that was just a backup in case his dumb ass
Speaker 9: plan didn't work. Yeah that makes sense, that makes sense, And.
Speaker 2: You don't know if he's a rat or not, but
Speaker 2: subjective any other thoughts on this film?
Speaker 3: Amazing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was the rat walking on the
Speaker 1: ledge and then that tower that building in the background.
Speaker 1: Was that what Frank drew on a piece of paper
Speaker 1: early I don't know, and then because it was burnt
Speaker 1: or something like that.
Speaker 2: But I never got that part either. Yeah, either why
Speaker 2: he was drawing that and then he like didn't he
Speaker 2: like spit on it or something or I think yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: something like that. But they showed us what the paper
Speaker 2: with the drawing was.
Speaker 3: But so what's the significance of that tower?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 7: Matt Damon was staring at it when they like the
Speaker 7: opening scenes when they were so is that like, was
Speaker 7: that like what he was aspiring to, like to be
Speaker 7: able to work?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 9: I don't know, that might be a Boston thing like
Speaker 9: that tower might be like an important.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I did like the exchange between Alec Baldwin and uh
Speaker 2: Mark Wahlberg that little funny says.
Speaker 3: He was like, how's your mother do it?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: We didn't talk about him a lot.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize how much he was he's not really
Speaker 2: in the movie that long, but he's in like throughout
Speaker 2: the movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's always had those scenes like when he
Speaker 4: was already and Leo a she had.
Speaker 1: To break them up, like when it was that was
Speaker 1: that Alec Baldwin was like, hey man, can I talk
Speaker 1: to you for a second.
Speaker 3: Put no cameras in the back.
Speaker 1: But this whole ship up and I think that was
Speaker 1: That was Wahburg's brother. He was in the movie. That
Speaker 1: wasn't no, no, he was. It was in the movie
Speaker 1: though it was one of It was a Wallburg in
Speaker 1: the movie. I just looked up the cast. There was
Speaker 1: more than two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, three of them three, Yeah, they all on that
Speaker 2: Wallburg Burger.
Speaker 3: Yeah, burger.
Speaker 1: Burgers. They got a franchise. I know we're wrapping up,
Speaker 1: but why didn't you like to end it trying to
Speaker 1: escape by.
Speaker 3: A good call.
Speaker 1: I didn't like the fact that just everybody died.
Speaker 3: It was kind of fast in the movie.
Speaker 8: It's called the depart Yeah, but I can talking about
Speaker 8: the pacing. Nobody was gonna walk away or something happening.
Speaker 8: Everybody getting shot his ear like ninety seconds. That's the
Speaker 8: beauty of the Yeah, what nobody's supposed to get away. Bro,
Speaker 8: everybody got to get the point. But it seemed like
Speaker 8: they just got off easy. But of course they died,
Speaker 8: but it just seemed like it wasn't a lot too.
Speaker 3: It was boom boom boom.
Speaker 9: It was the fact that everybody dies when you enter
Speaker 9: this lifestyle. There's no good guys. There's no good guys.
Speaker 9: Everybody gets fucking got.
Speaker 1: But did you want to just see uh Matt Damon
Speaker 1: get away with it? I wanted more resolution other than
Speaker 1: it's everybody getting shot. I feel like it's a lazy
Speaker 1: when like, just.
Speaker 8: Just shoot him, all right, just shoot him too, a
Speaker 8: shoot him, shoot him to shoot everybody and then it's open.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 9: Okay, So I just found it, damn right, an expan
Speaker 9: good reflect an explanation for the So it's the it's
Speaker 9: the Massachusetts State Building, and this guy this is quick,
Speaker 9: he says. I believe the meeting can be found in
Speaker 9: the scene between Billy and Frank, where Frank draws on
Speaker 9: the tables.
Speaker 3: You're right here.
Speaker 9: Notice that it's a picture of rats swarming over the
Speaker 9: Massachusetts State Dome. Why because I believe the gold Dome
Speaker 9: represents the American ideals of ambition, power and above all
Speaker 9: honesty to be.
Speaker 3: Golden as it were.
Speaker 9: However, as we see through the film, the actions decisions
Speaker 9: required to make it to make it to the gold
Speaker 9: are not so pure and this has some other shit,
Speaker 9: But that makes sense. I don't know why they're down
Speaker 9: voting him. I'm gonna U vote you bro. The complete
Speaker 9: sense interesting. I never I never once even really figured
Speaker 9: that out.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I think the first time I watched it,
Speaker 6: I was kind of with Spike like that that sequencing
Speaker 6: of people dying was very fast paced.
Speaker 1: But I do.
Speaker 3: Kind of like it at the same time.
Speaker 1: But I can get what you're saying. It was a
Speaker 1: quick resolution for a two hour building.
Speaker 6: I just thought, yeah, yeah, yeah, for it to be
Speaker 6: just that little short sea was the killings, Yeah, because
Speaker 6: when it happened, it was just like a domino. It
Speaker 6: was a domino effect, Frenchie, all of them, everybody was
Speaker 6: getting taken out in one scene.
Speaker 1: So I get you on that, but I don't like
Speaker 1: the movie.
Speaker 9: He didn't take usually and endn't like that the movie.
Speaker 9: For me, it was slow drawing out killings and it
Speaker 9: had been fucking lame. The fact that it was fast
Speaker 9: is what made the movie so good because you didn't
Speaker 9: expect it.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 3: For sure I can sde that I did like that.
Speaker 3: That ship was crazy French. He was tight, he really
Speaker 3: was all right.
Speaker 4: Well, those are our thoughts on the departed.
Speaker 9: Please his wife, because French don't funk around, choked her
Speaker 9: ass like.
Speaker 1: She was.
Speaker 3: Probably he was. His wife was a whole, that's what
Speaker 3: he said.
Speaker 1: I think he said she was unfaithful.
Speaker 2: Damn who was she? She's probably fucking frank m m
Speaker 2: wuk around find out. Those are our thoughts on the party.
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Speaker 1: Out peace