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Speaker 1: Heard you address this subject on your show on Saturday,

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Speaker 1: the Whitestown shooting. From what I know, I'm just going

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Speaker 3: Over the weekend, I saw you post on your social

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Speaker 3: With the gun guy Guy Relford joining us here on

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Speaker 3: the hammer in Nigel show, uh getting some numbers about

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Speaker 3: gun sales in the month of October. Americans bought a

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Speaker 1: Why do you think this is?

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Speaker 2: Exactly. It's pervasive. And I told my wife before the

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Speaker 2: preparation for being confronted with violence, what I carry on

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Speaker 2: my person has been remained pretty consistent, but that has

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Speaker 2: changed in the last year or so because of what

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Speaker 2: I see as an increasing hostile environment.

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Speaker 1: Out guy.

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Speaker 3: We got about thirty seconds here, But I think the

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Speaker 3: most important question is when did you crack that first

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Speaker 3: beer on Sunday for the Colts again, because you went.

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Speaker 1: Somewhere and watched it. What time was that first perlment?

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Speaker 1: Jersey on social media?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I had my brand new sauce Gardener Jersey. I

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Speaker 2: was the first kid on my block was nice Gardener Nice.

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Speaker 2: But my my wife, my oldest son, my oldest granddaughter

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Speaker 2: who's twenty one, and my daughter was who's home from Jacksonville, Florida.

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Speaker 2: We all went to Tom's Watch Bar downtown.

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Speaker 1: Oh cool and a great place.

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Speaker 2: TV's everywhere Yeah, you can't throw a stick without Hugh

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Speaker 2: Mangas TV right in front of you. Great food, had

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Speaker 2: a great time, and yeah, drink drank, drank a little

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Speaker 2: beer strong.

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Speaker 3: Over under nine am, first beer, Oh under nice.

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Speaker 1: Doors opened.

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Speaker 2: The doors opened it and I was waiting.

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Speaker 1: I was waiting with my hand on the door knob

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Speaker 1: when they opened.

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Speaker 3: Hey, if somebody wants to reach out to you, if

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Speaker 3: they've got questions, if they want to hire you, how

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Speaker 3: can they find you?

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Speaker 2: Really on Twitter? Give me a follow while you're on

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Speaker 2: there on Twitter at Guy Ralford.

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Speaker 1: Got you the best. Appreciate you brother, Thanks guys,