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Speaker 1: They seized a fan morning show with kvy Hab and Jeff.

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Speaker 2: Out of the gun goes Leonard. Three receivers stack to

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Speaker 2: the left side. Leonard looks that way, hitches taking a

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Speaker 2: shot wide open downfield down pears, He's got it.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna go twenty ten, glides into.

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Speaker 4: The end zone untouched. He got behind everybody for a touchdown.

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Speaker 2: Re receivers the boy left Leonard shotgun staff scanning closet

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Speaker 2: right side end of the end zone has.

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Speaker 4: A man touchdown Alec Pierce. You know it to today

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Speaker 4: for Pierce deep drop on play action. Leonard blowing up

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Speaker 4: again looking for pairs.

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Speaker 5: He's got inside the fight and its dragged.

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Speaker 2: Down shore of the goal line, down to the one

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Speaker 4: The third bomb today to Alec Pierce.

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Speaker 6: Down to the play unsparked for li contuct conduct contacting

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Speaker 6: an official offfense number fourteen a fifteen yard tennessee the

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Speaker 6: downhill count fourth down and the fourteen is disqualified.

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Speaker 2: Wow, five seconds the goal. Let's see what they can

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Speaker 2: do right Leonard back's to throw, drives it over the middle,

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Speaker 2: caught by Josh DOALLNS thirty. Here's a lateral back to

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Speaker 2: Michael Pittman Junior outside the numbers, back to Riley Leonard

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Speaker 2: the twenty yard line and he.

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Speaker 7: Just loses the ball.

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Speaker 4: It's available inside the ten, the Texans ten. They're running

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Speaker 4: the other way and they score a touchdown. The final

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Speaker 4: part of the game.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it was frustrating. Yeah, the last half of the

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Speaker 8: season for sure. That's what it's been, not find ways

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Speaker 8: to finish, and we got to work tiresly to get

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Speaker 8: that fixed. Obviously, we showed signs early in the season

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Speaker 8: that was pretty darn good, and we had some unfortunate circumstances,

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Speaker 8: but that's part of the league.

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Speaker 4: You got to overcome those.

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Speaker 8: Circumstances and that's where you have to learn from and

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Speaker 8: grow from to when you get in those situations again,

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Speaker 8: you learn from and like, hey, here's how we have

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Speaker 8: to win now with the circumstances you know that we have.

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Speaker 8: But that's not for me to decide. But what I

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Speaker 8: will say is I love this team. I love this organization,

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Speaker 8: you know, love the city, love the fans.

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Speaker 5: Shoot, I stay, you shoot, I'll go if you see.

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Speaker 3: Well, we'd have to worry about that very long. The

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Speaker 3: Cults announcing after the game last night that both Shane

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Speaker 3: Stikeen and general manager Chris Ballard are going to be

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Speaker 3: sticking around. Good morning and welcome into the Fan Morning

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Speaker 3: Show on a Monday, the entire gang together again. James

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Speaker 3: Boyd making it back from Houston, Texan from Houston, Texas

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Speaker 3: after watching the Texans last night with the Colts, Mark

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Speaker 3: Dykeen is back from his year and a half sabbatical

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Speaker 3: that he's been on, and Kevin Bowen is always just showing.

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Speaker 4: Up every morning and doing work. How you been, man,

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Speaker 4: I'm good.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, good to see everybody. Mark. Welcome back, James. I

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Speaker 5: know he's quite to travel for you and locker room

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Speaker 5: clean out here in a couple hours. So yeah, probably

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Speaker 5: much needed for all these intelligent voices around me here

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Speaker 5: on this Monday morning to thank you.

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Speaker 3: Well, where do we start? We'll just go around the

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Speaker 3: horn and I suppose I'll start with you. James Boyd

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Speaker 3: scale a one to one hundred. How shocked are you

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Speaker 3: that Ballard and Stiken will both be coming back?

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Speaker 9: Zero?

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Speaker 3: The microphone is not working, Mark is to turn again.

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Speaker 3: Try try the games running back. Can you give yourself

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Speaker 3: a buzz?

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Speaker 4: Mark? Me, I can't. It's not working. The other one there, Yeah.

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Speaker 7: That's ahead zero.

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Speaker 3: There we go. Can you give yourself a go there? Mark,

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Speaker 3: welcome back, appreciate.

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Speaker 9: This, letting you all know this was not my fault.

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Speaker 9: I hit the on button for my mic last.

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Speaker 7: Time I was here, you run Mike five. Now you're

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Speaker 7: on Mike four. I'm like, I don't know what the

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Speaker 7: hell he's graduated.

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Speaker 9: Well, yeah, you ain't been here. It's my last time,

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Speaker 9: you was saying. I was last year, very much into

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Speaker 9: last year. Anyways, thank you for listening, sticking with this

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Speaker 9: through our and still new studio design and all that.

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Speaker 9: But no, I would say it's a scale one one

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Speaker 9: surprised by it at all. Now, I did right that

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Speaker 4: Kevin Bond, Yeah, I would.

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Speaker 5: I would agree pretty close to what James said. You know,

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Speaker 5: I felt like it was certainly trending in that direction.

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Speaker 5: There was always of an ounce of what will Carle

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Speaker 5: I'm reminded here on this Black Monday. I guess if

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Speaker 5: right everybody's you know whatever, kids are back to school

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Speaker 5: and you know, hey, we got the band back together.

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Speaker 5: Albeit we probably should audio test it out for about

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Speaker 5: five hours before the show starts at seven am. But

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Speaker 5: I'm reminded, just and honestly all of us could do

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Speaker 5: this in the jobs that we have. You should strive

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Speaker 5: to find you a boss that creates a leash that

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Speaker 5: is as long as the leash that Chris Boward has

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Speaker 5: had at the RSA family. Listen up, Jeff, and I'm

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Speaker 5: talking like one of those leashes that you see at

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Speaker 9: Say look when I mess up my mic at seven

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Speaker 9: on two in the morning, I want you to keep

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Speaker 5: I'm not talking like walk the dog around, you know

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Speaker 5: the block here. And honestly, after parenting Max Bowen for

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Speaker 5: It's insane. You know that, you know, some organizations strive

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Speaker 5: a legacy of accepting mediocrity, and frankly, to call it

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Speaker 5: it very fitting on the anniversary of the eleventh I

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Speaker 5: guess year since your last home game that you decided

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Speaker 5: to say, Hey, the stench of acceptance. It is smelling

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Speaker 5: big time over there on last fifty sixth Street, and

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Speaker 3: We just put blinders on and we just keep steering

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Speaker 4: And whatever happens. Wheels are starting to fall off. They

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Speaker 4: We just keep looking straight down the road. It's all

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Speaker 3: Once we get around that next corner, it's all gonna

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Speaker 3: We're gonna have just a straight road into a place

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Speaker 4: Once and for all.

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Speaker 3: And the road just is in. It never stops. It

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Speaker 3: never never stops. There's never a destination. I like, personally,

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Speaker 3: Chris Ballard, I don't really know Shane Stike and all that. Well,

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Speaker 3: a fine offensive coordinator. I don't I'm not impressed with

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Speaker 3: I just don't understand. It's always something. Well, if it

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Speaker 4: That he was a dud. We were all fooled by that.

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Speaker 4: There's an excuse every single year, it never gets better.

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Speaker 4: They never every single year.

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Speaker 3: How many years now, guys, have they had a change

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Speaker 3: many years in a row, despite whatever injuries, despite whatever quarterback,

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Speaker 5: And they never I first seemed to get it done.

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Speaker 4: When's the last time that happened.

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Speaker 9: It's a good question, I honestly think when you look

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Speaker 9: at what you're saying, Jeff, and I've been on this

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Speaker 9: stat for a few weeks now, they're nine and seventeen

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Speaker 9: in other words, they fold on an annual basis in

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Speaker 9: he's very short. You could tell he was irritated by

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Speaker 9: the loss and the way the season has gone. And

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Speaker 9: I understand that only thing he could say was just execution.

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Speaker 9: When I ask why they keep folding, I asked him

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Speaker 9: a Cox the same thing.

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't know.

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Speaker 9: We're in these games. We were ahead today, we were

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Speaker 9: ahead against Seattle, we were ahead against Kansas City.

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Speaker 5: Couldn't get it.

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Speaker 4: Done, Milcha.

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Speaker 5: Piman Junr is talking about his future.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, when things don't go the right way, I might

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Speaker 9: that you're in as the principal owner is to run

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Speaker 9: it back with the same quarterback, same regime, And you're

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Speaker 9: And I'm not blaming Daniel Jones by any means either,

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Speaker 9: very tough dude had a great season or great half

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Speaker 9: a season, but is the NFL man. You can't get

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Speaker 9: caught up in the well we could have been this well.

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Speaker 9: We say that every year, as Jeff said.

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Speaker 5: Yeah two thirty today, Just for those that have not

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Speaker 5: I will give her which I don't know, maybe on

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Speaker 5: am glad that she's at least speaking today. You know,

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Speaker 5: no one from the family spoke last year after the

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Speaker 5: season ended it was just the letter which you had

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Speaker 5: to laugh at reading it. So frankly, I would say

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Speaker 5: that for any NFL fan base out there, I think

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Speaker 5: you owe it's to your fans the time and the

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Speaker 5: energy and the money that they spend investing into your franchise.

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Speaker 5: I think every year, frankly, there should be a post

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Speaker 5: mortem from the ownership group. So we will hear from

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Speaker 5: her coming up this afternoon. Yeah, Jeff, you mentioned, you know,

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Speaker 5: okay into the season one game away. Did you see

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Speaker 5: how many games they lost the division by? They weren't

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about making the massive I'm saying, three weeks ago,

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Speaker 4: Chance to get to the postseasons, is my point.

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Speaker 5: No, that's not true. They miss missing the postseason by

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Speaker 5: Where did Siakam come from an NBA champion, because Joe

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Speaker 4: The biggest fails of all.

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Speaker 3: Consistently, it never gets better between the two of you

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Speaker 4: How many sacks yesterday?

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Speaker 3: How many sacks did the golf set yesterday, playing oftentimes

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Speaker 5: Is It was a very fitting way to end the year.

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Speaker 9: We were sitting in the press box, like, yeah, I

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Speaker 5: Was so fitting. I found it as fitting as the

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Speaker 9: And boy did that ever have what's the word like

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Speaker 5: Oh my gosh? Can you imagine what that did for Houston?

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Speaker 5: What that has done now for Indianapolis. The Texans are

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Speaker 3: They do it by losing their final seven games of

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Speaker 4: I say, this still great story Philip.

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Speaker 5: Should I asked Mark Paul at the audio, saying, I

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Speaker 7: You did say that. I do recall, despite being in

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Speaker 5: Great to see your face, Mark, Congra Bear.

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Speaker 9: I can't see your face from where I see it,

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Speaker 5: Good luck in the playoffs.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, James, I can partially see your glass Bears.

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Speaker 5: Packer's Saturday Primetime? Is that correct?

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Speaker 5: They know full well that's gonna be a highly viewed game.

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Speaker 3: Bring it on, all right, we'll check it down coming

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Speaker 4: Non stop.

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Speaker 3: The Indianapolis Coults announced after their loss to the Houston

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Speaker 3: Carl Ursa Gordon will speak on Everything Colts at two

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Speaker 3: again beginning at two point thirty pm. Kevin Bowen I

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Speaker 4: Your disappointment meter level at right now?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that would be obviously very very high. Again,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Alec Pierce literally rubs against an official in a

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Speaker 4: It was one of the weakest calls I've ever seen. James,

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 3: The Colts did lose to the Texans thirty eight thirty.

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Speaker 3: They finished eight to nine on the season. You mentioned

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm not surprised by that at all. That has

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Speaker 3: For the defense, where's lou An Arumo in fault for

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Speaker 9: Quick, they are actually going to change defensive line coaches.

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Speaker 3: Right, one coaching change, right, Raheem Morris is gone in

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Speaker 4: Two years all the time.

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Speaker 5: So the only win for the Colts and to Halloween,

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Speaker 9: Can't the same be said about them not winning a

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Speaker 7: I would say they left their wins in Berlin.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, left their win in Berlin.

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Speaker 9: How about that shirt Marks, Let's all go back and

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Speaker 9: get it.

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Speaker 4: Man oh man, oh Man? All Right.

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Speaker 3: AFC Wildcard Round coming up this week, and the Broncos

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Speaker 4: The Bears will be taking on the Packers. Is that even?

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Speaker 3: Is there a better way to start the playoffs? Mark

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Speaker 3: Diiton for the Bears than to take on the Packers? No,

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Speaker 3: not really.

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Speaker 7: I was like bringing on that. It seemed to be

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Speaker 7: kind of the way it was going anyway. So shout

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Speaker 7: out to the Commanders from beating the Eagles, giving the

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Speaker 7: Bears the two seed, and now that is the Amazon

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Speaker 7: Prime game on US Saturday nights.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Eagles will take on the forty nine Ers

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Speaker 3: and the Panthers back into the playoffs and an AFS

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Speaker 3: are I'm sorry? In an NFC South Championship because Atlanta

449
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Speaker 3: beat New Orleans and they win a tiebreaker at eight

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Speaker 3: and nine, they will take on the Rams. That's what's

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Speaker 3: happening in the NFL, and the NBA Pacers lost to

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Speaker 3: Orlando one thirty five, one twenty seven. Close again, but

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Speaker 3: no cigar. They've lost twelve in a row. Ben Atict

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Speaker 3: Matherin now out Kevin with a thumb injury.

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Speaker 4: For a while. That just keeps coming and coming and coming.

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Speaker 5: Yes on national report that he had been playing through

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Speaker 5: for a couple weeks now obviously had the toe injury

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Speaker 5: which sidelined him for whatever that was multiple weeks earlier

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Speaker 5: in the season. Yeah, it's it's quite the slide. And

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Speaker 5: again another massive run just dooms them. Yes, I actually

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Speaker 5: watched a good amount of that fourth quarter. That's moments.

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Speaker 5: They are really some loose balls just they couldn't come

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Speaker 5: up with. So Yeah, this awful season continues for the Pacers.

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Speaker 3: They will play again tomorrow night at home against the

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Speaker 3: Cleveland Cavaliers. You'll hear it live right here on ninety

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Speaker 3: three five and one of seven, five of the fans

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Speaker 3: six thirty Airtimes seven o'clock tip. Indiana basketball a winner

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Speaker 3: yesterday over Washington it was down in Bloomington. They get

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Speaker 3: a ninety to eighty victory. Lamar Wilkinson scored twenty two points.

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Speaker 3: Tayton Connorway had twenty in the victory.

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Speaker 4: There.

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Speaker 3: That was the first game the Hoosiers have played in

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Speaker 3: basketball in almost two weeks. As far as Indiana football

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Speaker 3: is concerned, they continue.

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Speaker 4: To get ready for the College Football.

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Speaker 3: Playoff semi final game Friday night against Oregon. But they

477
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Speaker 3: are cleaning up James Boyd in the portal, TCU quarterback

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Speaker 3: Josh Hoover, Michigan State wide receiver Nick Marsh, Cincinnati safety

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Speaker 3: ja Kwan Sanks Notre Dame, defensive lineman Josh Burnham, Boston

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Speaker 3: College running back Turbo Richard, Kansas State ed Rutger Toby

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Speaker 3: osin Sanmi.

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Speaker 4: It seems like these.

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Speaker 3: Are all top three, top five at their position and

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Speaker 3: they've decided to come to Indiana.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, one of the new worlds where the rich Kie

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Speaker 9: Richard and the rich in this case is IU, which

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Speaker 9: again does not even sound like something that was possible

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Speaker 9: four or five years ago. But here we are, and

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Speaker 9: they're doing all this while still having their eye on

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Speaker 9: a national championship.

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Speaker 4: It's crazy. There were several IU reserves that have entered

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Speaker 4: the portal.

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Speaker 3: Kurtzignetti said he offered all of them the chance to

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Speaker 3: stick around and practice. Some declined and we'll be moving on.

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Speaker 3: They didn't name a lot.

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Speaker 4: Of those guys.

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Speaker 3: I haven't looked that up yet, but Purdue also had

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Speaker 3: a couple of guys, a couple of junior college All Americans.

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Speaker 3: Tavari Hampton is a safety. They did also pick up

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Speaker 3: Jered Gibson, the running back from Texas. So that's the

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Speaker 3: latest done portal recruit I guess that's the thing we

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Speaker 3: do now in January portal recruiting reports.

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Speaker 5: Well, I want to make sure make sure you give

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Speaker 5: a shout out to Braden Smith, passing Cassius Winston all

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Speaker 5: time assists leader in Big Ten history. If you do

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Speaker 5: the math, assuming Purdue makes another March April run, he

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Speaker 5: could get to Bobby Hurley here before it's all said

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Speaker 5: and done. So Braden Smith one of the greatest players

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Speaker 5: we have seen college basketball wise, certainly in the state

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Speaker 5: and in the Big Ten as a whole. Purdue pretty

511
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Speaker 5: much put on a clinic up there at the Cole

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Speaker 5: Center over the weekend. So shout out to Braden Smith

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Speaker 5: and eight hundred and ninety one was the number he

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Speaker 5: needed to pass Cashius Winston and he did that all right.

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Speaker 3: And if you want to read more on that, our

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Speaker 3: buddy Mike de Corsi at Sporting News wrote a terrific

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Speaker 3: piece on Braden Smith.

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Speaker 4: To go find that and check that out. Anything else you.

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Speaker 3: Guys want to throw in before we had to break

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Speaker 3: and get cooking on the cults again today.

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Speaker 5: Last night was epic for those that stayed up for

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Speaker 5: Game two seventy two lived up to it. In the NFL,

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Speaker 5: it was a missed field goal by Ravens kicker Tyler

524
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Speaker 5: Loop to cost them a chance at going to the playoffs.

525
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Speaker 5: There Chris Boswold missed an extra point on the previous possession.

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Speaker 5: Just a wild fourth quarter back and back Aaron Rodgers

527
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Speaker 5: Mark turning back the clock there. I know that made

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Speaker 5: you excited. Lamar Jackson, Isaiah likely a huge fourth down conversion.

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Speaker 5: And now we wait. I guess the fate of one

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Speaker 5: John Hardball, potentially.

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Speaker 7: My dad and one of my brothers. Like we're going

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Speaker 7: to bed, it's too let them get up. This game

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Speaker 7: got insane in the fourth th It.

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Speaker 5: Got real real wonky, real, real quick so yeah, if

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Speaker 5: you stayed up for that one, it was well worth it,

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Speaker 5: all right.

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Speaker 3: Well, get back to the Colts and what they are doing,

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Speaker 3: what they're not doing, and what we expect.

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Speaker 4: To hear from Carl ORSA Gordon a little bit later

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Speaker 4: on today.

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Speaker 3: Take some of your text at two three nine ten seventy,

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Speaker 3: some of your phone calls you want to get it

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Speaker 3: on that same number, two three nine ten seventy. It's

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Speaker 3: a busy Monday morning here at ninety three five and

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Speaker 3: one on seven five the Fan. It's a fan morning show.

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Speaker 3: Kevin Bowen, James Boyd. I'm jeff Rickard and I'm looking

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Speaker 3: at this playoff bracket for the National Football League coming

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Speaker 3: up over the next few weeks. I'm looking and looking.

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Speaker 3: I'm checking it twice. I've got my list. Apparently the

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Speaker 3: Colts have been naughty because I can't find them anywhere

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Speaker 3: on this particular playoff bracket. James boy How could that

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Speaker 3: possibly be?

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Speaker 9: Well, we've known that for weeks. At this point, we're

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Speaker 9: just looking at the offseason.

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Speaker 4: We are here.

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Speaker 3: We are again is the point, Kevin, right where they

557
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Speaker 3: continue to be And yet it appears that aside from

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Speaker 3: a few guys that might not come back.

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Speaker 4: For the most part, it feels like it's going to

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Speaker 4: be a run back again, correct.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's been typical cults in the Ballard era.

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Speaker 5: I think there are some big ticketed guys that you

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Speaker 5: need to have very serious questions about. You know, the

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Speaker 5: name Michael Pittman Junior, the names is Ia Franklin, the

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Speaker 5: names of even Kenny Moore. I think some of these

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Speaker 5: names you just have to take a long, hard look

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Speaker 5: at because you don't have a lot of wiggle room. Obviously,

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Speaker 5: draft pick wise, you don't have your first rounder, and

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Speaker 5: then money wise, you would think Alec Pierce is going

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Speaker 5: to merit deservedly so a really healthy sum, and Daniel

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Speaker 5: Jones will likely get a healthy sum as well. So

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Speaker 5: again as not Ben Ballard's m O at all. You know,

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Speaker 5: he's been obsessed with his guys and playing out their

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Speaker 5: contracts respectively. But yeah, honestly, I thought yesterday was kind

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Speaker 5: of a microcosm of the Pierce Pittman debate. You know,

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Speaker 5: Pittman dropped that ball, great second level ball that rather

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Speaker 5: thanded through there early in the game, and Pierce kind

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Speaker 5: of did his normal thing. James, I know, you got

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Speaker 5: to run the locker room clean out here at the

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Speaker 5: top of the hour. So I want to get as

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Speaker 5: much as your thoughts as while we have you in

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Speaker 5: in studio. If I asked you the question of why

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Speaker 5: you think Carly ors Gordon is operating in the run

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Speaker 5: it back phrase, you would guess her answer, which again

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Speaker 5: she'll meet the media two thirty today. You would guess

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Speaker 5: her answers what.

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Speaker 9: I think it would have to do a lot with

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Speaker 9: the injuries and then too already giving that vote of

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Speaker 9: confidence to Chris Ballard and Shane Stiken with the Sauce

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Speaker 9: Gardner deal, because we said at the time that you.

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Speaker 5: Don't make that deal.

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Speaker 9: You don't make that trade if you aren't confident in

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Speaker 9: allowing that GM to come back and allowing that head

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Speaker 9: coach to come back. Now, granted, at the time Daniel

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Speaker 9: Jones was healthy, but that told us everything right there,

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Speaker 9: in my opinion, because it's very rare that you will

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Speaker 9: let a GM mortgage your future and get rid of

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Speaker 9: two first round picks going forward if you're not going

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Speaker 9: to keep him around for that future. And I think

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Speaker 9: that's the debate that we've had in recent weeks Kevin,

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Speaker 9: and why we were kind of button heads, not in

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Speaker 9: like a disagreement way, but in a here's why, I

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Speaker 9: think this is possible way of why they would thinking

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Speaker 9: like this, And you're telling me, well, they shouldn't, and

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Speaker 9: I'm agreeing with you, but that's the reality and the situation.

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Speaker 5: My opinion.

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Speaker 9: And then you look at again where this team is

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Speaker 9: from a roster construction standpoint, you are and you do

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Speaker 9: kind of have your hands tied. And I went back

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Speaker 9: and found this ballot quote from last year, actually last

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Speaker 9: year this month, so literally one year ago almost of

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Speaker 9: the day where I believe it was you or someone

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Speaker 9: else asked him, would you be more aggressive in year nine,

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Speaker 9: given it could be boom or bust or make it

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Speaker 9: or break it? And he said, well, I would not.

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Speaker 9: The word to use was hamstring. I wouldn't hamstring this

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Speaker 9: franchise for the next three or four years. Well, which

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Speaker 9: one did you just do after the Sauce Gardner deal,

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Speaker 9: because now you're a hamstrung as a franchise because you're

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Speaker 9: tying your future to Daniel Jones essentially, who, by the way,

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Speaker 9: tough dude played amazing, I thought for about two months,

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Speaker 9: but now has another devastating injury attitude already lengthy injury history,

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Speaker 9: So banking all all of that to work in twenty

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Speaker 9: twenty six, when everyone's a year older and a sport

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Speaker 9: as violin his football just seems very naive. But you

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Speaker 9: state it's open to show Kevin, they are committed to

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Speaker 9: what you and I believe is mediocrity.

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Speaker 4: Check the fan text line of two through nine, ten

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Speaker 4: seventy special.

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Speaker 3: Thanks to KB says Nick for saying that quote calling

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Speaker 3: it mediocre would be a compliment.

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Speaker 4: Unquote.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a season ticket holder, but I've been to

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Speaker 3: three AFC championships and one Super Bowl. I am absolutely

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Speaker 3: done investing money into attending games until there's a GM change.

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Speaker 3: And the fact that Ballard's under contract isn't a good

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Speaker 3: enough excuse. They make plenty of revenue to afford Ballard's

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Speaker 3: early dismissal. This is embarrassing, guys. He really must know

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Speaker 3: where all the bodies are buried.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, again, I would say calling it mediocre would be

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Speaker 5: a compliment. Just to remind everyone, sixteen teams are in

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Speaker 5: the AFC, and if you look at the nine years

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Speaker 5: of Ballard teams within this conference, the finishes are as followed. Again,

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Speaker 5: sixteen teams thirteenth, sixth, tenth, seventh, eighth, fifteenth, ninth, ninth, eighth, eighth.

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Speaker 5: So if my math is correct on that, that would

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Speaker 5: be two times above average, six snow seven times average

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Speaker 5: or below none higher than sixth sixteen teams.

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Speaker 4: That's just the report card. That's just what it is.

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Speaker 5: Correct. Yes, and again for me with Ballard James, we

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Speaker 5: talked a little bit about this last week. I think

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Speaker 5: you could make a case really three layered in being

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Speaker 5: very critical to the point of a firing. One is

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Speaker 5: I believe you've labeled it, and you know, feel free

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Speaker 5: to come over and be Uncle James at any point.

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Speaker 5: The counting resume, the zero one two method, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: So the zero division titles, the one playoff win, the

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Speaker 5: two playoff appearances, that's the counting part of the resume.

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Speaker 5: You go next on the resume, if right now, the

659
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Speaker 5: Colts got a third round pick for Anthony Richards in

660
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Speaker 5: the trade market this offseason, you would consider that a win,

661
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Speaker 5: would you?

662
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Speaker 11: Not?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely? Okay, So let's just call it that hypothetical. So

664
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Speaker 5: that means you spent the fourth overall pick in the

665
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Speaker 5: draft and the return on investment was a third rounder.

666
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Speaker 5: You got three years later, obviously that would be labeled

667
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Speaker 5: a bust. I would consider that to be a failure

668
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Speaker 5: on the resume. And then the last part, which is

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Speaker 5: probably more of the in the Ballard binder. When he

670
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Speaker 5: presented the binder to you in January twenty seventeen as

671
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Speaker 5: a GM, it was, you know, hey, we're defensive line

672
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 5: driven franchise and we're going to invest endlessly into this.

673
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Speaker 5: You know, blah blah blah. You know, a bunch of

674
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Speaker 5: first round picks and second round picks and third round

675
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Speaker 5: picks and all this money. And Jeff, to your point

676
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Speaker 5: that you brought up earlier, I thought yesterday was very

677
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Speaker 5: fitting that that was your defensive line effort to end

678
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Speaker 5: the seven game losing streak. Zero sacks, two hits against

679
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Speaker 5: the Texans offensive line that always has issues, and yesterday

680
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Speaker 5: I had several guys that were in and out of

681
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Speaker 5: the lineup as they opted to wrest some guys throughout

682
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Speaker 5: that game.

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Speaker 10: Uh.

684
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Speaker 5: That to me, considering it's his I think it's fair

685
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Speaker 5: to say that is his biggest priority. And again, if that,

686
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Speaker 5: if I'm Carl ERSA. Gordon, the evaluation process, you would think,

687
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Speaker 5: and Jeff, you CANBYCE speak, does better than anyone. Okay,

688
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 5: you are the boss. Okay, let's say whatever. You hire

689
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Speaker 5: Mark Dychdon and Mark comes to you and says, you know,

690
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna be whatever, the best re entry guy. I'm

691
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Speaker 5: gonna book all these elite guests, et cetera, et cetera.

692
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Speaker 5: And he comes to you and he doesn't produce any

693
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Speaker 5: of that. After nine years today that ends And why

694
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Speaker 5: I wasn't gonna say that, but I'm glad that you

695
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Speaker 5: chimed in on.

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Speaker 4: I will say this.

697
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Speaker 5: Scott Dowlson, by the way, I uad coming up at

698
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Speaker 5: nine o'clock.

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Speaker 4: Ye uh, thank you talking about big guests. I love that.

700
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Speaker 5: So that to me is a wait, wait a minute.

701
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Speaker 4: You told me for being a Bears fan.

702
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Speaker 5: When I hired you, you were going to do this,

703
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Speaker 5: and now here we are nine years later. You've invested

704
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Speaker 5: in it like no other. You've put all these resources

705
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Speaker 5: into it, and yet the return on that is what?

706
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Speaker 5: So again for me, with Ballard's three layered, it's the

707
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Speaker 5: County resume zero one to two. You can go there.

708
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Speaker 5: You can go with Richardson being an absolute bust, assuming

709
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Speaker 5: he has moved for a third round pick. If you

710
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Speaker 5: want to play out that hypothetical, and then lastly all

711
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Speaker 5: a sense of line.

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Speaker 9: Just real quick, he's not worth a third round.

713
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Speaker 4: I was gonna say, who's giving a me?

714
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Speaker 5: I'm just trying to throw out a hypothetical to give one.

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Speaker 1: I know.

716
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Speaker 9: I just want to save you from the inevitable person

717
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Speaker 9: who's driving a roll in their eyes, like Kevin is

718
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Speaker 9: off his rocker this morning.

719
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Speaker 5: So I just want to help you out, brother. Thank

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Speaker 5: you appreciating.

721
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Speaker 3: Here's what from Justin, Good morning, James, KB, Jeff, Thank

722
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 3: you guys for your coverage of the team all season.

723
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 3: This is very frustrating and very difficult to understand that

724
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Speaker 3: whatever excuse comes up over the week about the Coult

725
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 3: should be accepted. In any injuries cannot be the excuse.

726
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 3: It's part of the game. The motivation is to overcome.

727
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 3: The standard is winning, but we keep rewarding losing, falling

728
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 3: apart losing seven games straight in any other field, if

729
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 3: that happened in America, no one would retain their job.

730
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Speaker 3: It only shows how little fans are thought about in

731
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Speaker 3: Indianapolis as it concerns the Colts.

732
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Speaker 4: So disappointing. Thank you, Carly says Justin.

733
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there's a lot of truth there. You know,

734
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Speaker 5: if whatever you know, take your little job and if

735
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Speaker 5: you don't meet you know, a quota for a quarter

736
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Speaker 5: whatever for nine straight years, you probably aren't getting the tenth.

737
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Speaker 5: I'd also say this, if you want to make injuries

738
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Speaker 5: an excuse, and look, there's context every NFL season. Do

739
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Speaker 5: I think it needs to be mentioned? Sure? Do I

740
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Speaker 5: think it needs to be the defining element of this

741
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Speaker 5: twenty twenty five season. No, I believe I counted yesterday.

742
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Speaker 5: You had six games one by third string quarterbacks this

743
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Speaker 5: season in the NFL six You had several of those

744
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 5: wins coming against playoff teams or playoff team or teams

745
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Speaker 5: in the playoff mix when those games occurred. So just

746
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 5: because you get to that point as a franchise doesn't

747
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Speaker 5: mean all of a sudden, you know there's no chance

748
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 5: in hell that you're getting that win. But my thought

749
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Speaker 5: would be this, if you want to make injuries as

750
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Speaker 5: an excuse, you've got eight years of other evidence. Does

751
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 5: that not matter? It's the old debate we've hadden now

752
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Speaker 5: for several weeks. Is this a nine year resume or

753
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Speaker 5: a one year resume? And again, if the one year

754
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Speaker 5: is what you're really really, really really evaluating. Okay, whatever

755
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 5: ty goes to the runner, I guess let's go to

756
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Speaker 5: the other eight years. All right, show me the other

757
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 5: eight years. Oh wait, that's what it looks like. Okay, No,

758
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Speaker 5: I can't sign off on that.

759
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Speaker 4: Yeah, how much of it is?

760
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Speaker 3: Carl Russa Gordon looks at the trade in which you

761
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Speaker 3: give away two first round draft picks, and the injury

762
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Speaker 3: to Sauce Gardner and the injury to Daniel Jones and

763
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Speaker 3: all the other injuries that added up, and she says

764
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Speaker 3: to herself, you know, I really felt like we were

765
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Speaker 3: headed somewhere until this all happened. If we bring somebody

766
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Speaker 3: else in, they're still going to be hamstrung to your point, James,

767
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Speaker 3: about not having those two first round picks, and they're

768
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Speaker 3: gonna have to be trying to build up around what

769
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Speaker 3: is left here.

770
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Speaker 4: What if at the.

771
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Speaker 3: End of the day she just decided, you know what,

772
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 3: it's a mess. It's going to be a mess for anybody.

773
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Speaker 3: I'm going to give you guys one year to clean

774
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Speaker 3: up this mess. Maybe you go back to the old

775
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 3: Remember when Jim Mersey told Chuck Pagano and Ryan Griggson

776
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Speaker 3: that they were tied at the hip. Is there something

777
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 3: like that in the offing now where Carly Orsa Gordon

778
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 3: looks at both these guys and says, all right, you

779
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 3: got three hundred and sixty five days get it done,

780
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Speaker 3: or you're both tied to the hip and you're both gone.

781
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Speaker 4: Kevin, is that what we're looking at.

782
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Speaker 9: That'll be a question to ask later today. Don't know

783
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 9: if we'll get an answer with that, but personally, it's

784
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 9: hard to look at it as one year and to

785
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 9: say we'll give you one year. It's one more year,

786
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 9: not one year. It's one more year. And at this point,

787
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 9: what do you have to show for it? I get

788
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 9: that Shane is easier to justify and bringing back, but

789
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 9: if you had opened the door to moving on from

790
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 9: him because you moved on Chris Ballard, I would welcome

791
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 9: that as well, because the results just haven't been there

792
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 9: for this team. And what I wrote yesterday and published

793
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 9: right after the game ended was you can't let your

794
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 9: fear of being really bad if you move on from

795
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 9: Chris Ballard and the next guy isn't all that good

796
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 9: or next woman isn't all that good, if you want

797
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 9: to go to that route either, whoever you choose because

798
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 9: you're convinced that your mediocrity will certainly have an uptick

799
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 9: and you'll be really good with this regime. You've had

800
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 9: ample sample size to see what this team is about,

801
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 9: and they fold. So beyond the injuries, I think it's

802
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 9: also like a psychological thing, because stand in that locker

803
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 9: room yesterday and realizing that those players blew another game,

804
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 9: blew another lead, blew Ry Leonard's first NFL win because

805
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 9: they couldn't get a stop against Davis Mills. And I

806
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 9: get David Mills went three and oh earlier this year,

807
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 9: the very good backup, but like, could you do something

808
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 9: to at least change the narrative what we've seen all year?

809
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 9: That was truly a movie we've seen over and over again,

810
00:36:59,480 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 9: not just this.

811
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Speaker 5: That was the question I kept asking to Kevin in

812
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 5: the locker room.

813
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 9: Kevin, what happened to collapse not only this year, but

814
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 9: repeatedly year after year? And that, to me is a

815
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 9: bigger problem than we got hurt and we lost our

816
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 9: last seven games.

817
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 3: Joe h writes in on the text line first year

818
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 3: season ticket holder, appreciate you guys, love the show. Please

819
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 3: grill Carly in the press conference. Don't let her off easy.

820
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 3: I was hopeful she'd pave her own way, but instead

821
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 3: she's just like her father, soft, no toughness, no care

822
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 3: to win, have no motivation to renew. As it seems

823
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 3: us fans care way more about winning than ersa Ballard

824
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 3: and Stike and do. And I read Joe's text because

825
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 3: it's an indicative of a lot.

826
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Speaker 4: Of the texts that we're getting today.

827
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Speaker 5: Kevin, Yeah, that is certainly true. I mean, did the

828
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 5: fan poll last week. I think that was quite evident

829
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 5: of what fans wanted from a change standpoint, you know,

830
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 5: on the Shane Steike in front, you know, I try

831
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 5: to kind of evaluate each of them individually. One thing

832
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 5: I've really struggled with with Shane is, you know, offensively,

833
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 5: I do think there's a lot of good that he

834
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 5: does all for, but seven and twenty two against teams

835
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Speaker 5: above five hundred seven and twenty two against teams above

836
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 5: five hundred and again, we've talked about this one the

837
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 5: Texans and the Jags two and ten against those two teams.

838
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 5: That includes quite the meaningless win last year in overtime

839
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 5: over the Jags in Week eighteen, when that game had

840
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 5: no bearings so yeah, two inten is horrendous. I don't

841
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 5: care who you are, but if you're that.

842
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 7: And you're against your division opponents like.

843
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 5: Horrific, it's absolutely awful horrific. And you know, just to

844
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 5: further at mark a little bit here, I think we've

845
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 5: touched on this. You know, this is now what Jacksonville

846
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 5: wins the division yesterday. So you have had since Baller

847
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 5: got hired in twenty seventeen, you have had every team

848
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 5: in this division win it at least two times. And

849
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 5: if you look at the general managers that have won

850
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 5: the division since Chris Ballard has hired in twenty seventeen,

851
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 5: you've got six of them. Tennessee with John Robinson, Houston

852
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 5: has had two different general managers, so I guess you

853
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 5: could call it. They had two rebuilds and got to

854
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 5: the top of the mountain in the AFC South. And

855
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 5: Jacksonville just won the division with a third general manager

856
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 5: since Ballard was hired. So you've had six gms in

857
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 5: nine years. When this has spread across three teams. This

858
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 5: has not been Kansas City in the West or whatever

859
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 5: Buffalo in the East or something along those lines.

860
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 9: This is a division what AFC East with Patrick. I'm sorry,

861
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 9: Tom Brady.

862
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 5: Sure, this has been a division that has spread the wealth,

863
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 5: and the Colts are the only ones begging for that wealth.

864
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 7: Routinely labeled as the worst division in football, and your

865
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 7: head coaches two and ten against two of the three

866
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 7: arrivals in it.

867
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jeff with a G.

868
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Speaker 3: Rights in gentlemen, thanks for waking up every morning and

869
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 3: banging your head against the wall, just like the rest

870
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 3: of the fan base set at the beginning of the year.

871
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 3: I was done if Ballard was in charge, and my

872
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 3: blood pressure has been so much better this year. They're

873
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 3: gonna give Jones a contract he doesn't deserve it. Only

874
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 3: two of their eight wins were against teams with a

875
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 3: winning record. To your point, Kevin Bowen, they don't beat

876
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 3: good football teams. And I think one of the most

877
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 3: damning things of all that we haven't even talked about

878
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 3: is the horrific record they've put up against Houston and

879
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 3: Jacksonville in the division since since Shane Stiken took over.

880
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 4: They're not good in the division.

881
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 9: Kevin's been He's been hammerd That's the only reason I'm

882
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 9: pretty I know what I will I will give you.

883
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 9: I will say my sources on I haven't using that

884
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 9: the last couple of days. I didn't realize that until

885
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 9: you asked about it last week, Kevin, right after the

886
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 9: loss against the Jaguar. So yeah, that is not fitting.

887
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 9: So I can't take credit for that, But also don't

888
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 9: want to take credit for the fact that they're twointen either,

889
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 9: because that ain't my record.

890
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 5: James, I know you got to run here in a

891
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 5: few One question that I threw to Joel a ericson

892
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 5: last week when he joined the show, and I've struggled

893
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 5: with in regards to the Ursa family and the operation

894
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 5: of their football team. But I get asked it a lot,

895
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 5: and I've been asked it a lot since May, frankly,

896
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 5: and that is and I know some people will laugh

897
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 5: at this, but it's a question again. I get a

898
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 5: good amount on the NFL scale thirty two teams. Are

899
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 5: the Colts falling on the poor side of that scale,

900
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 5: and by that is their hesitancy from Carli Rosa Gordon

901
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 5: to fire her general manager with one year left in

902
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 5: his contract. I believe one year left, yeah, one year

903
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 5: and fire the head coach with I believe it's three.

904
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 9: Yeah, he's in the contract. Through twenty twenty eight.

905
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 5: Okay, so I guess two more, you know, three more

906
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 5: twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight. That obviously is a

907
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 5: big financial commitment to make those moves. Now again, I

908
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 5: hear a lot of people out there saying, I don't

909
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 5: give two bleeps it you are, you own a NFL franchise,

910
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 5: don't jump in this pool if you don't want to,

911
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 5: you know, spend the money, right, But it is a

912
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 5: question that I get quite a lot, and a lot

913
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 5: of people then throw in the what happened with the

914
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 5: inheritance tax of moving on on from you know, sadly

915
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 5: the passing of jim Mercey to now the three daughters?

916
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 5: Are you spreading more of it across now three instead

917
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 5: of one? Et cetera, et cetera, all of this, I

918
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 5: get that question a lot. And was that something that

919
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 5: was at play here at all?

920
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 3: Well, continue to talk about all of this. We're gonna

921
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 3: talk to that football.

922
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 5: I gotta give James' thoughts here before we run, because

923
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 5: I know he's got to go to Colts Locker. Yeah,

924
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 5: real quick.

925
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 9: Honestly, I would say that's probably an answer she won't

926
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 9: or a question she want to answer, But I do

927
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,919
Speaker 9: want to know about it because when you look at

928
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 9: and this is crazy to say, like the rich owners

929
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 9: in the NFL, the Ursays are not on that list

930
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 9: when it comes to those who are bringing in and

931
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 9: perhaps more of the billions than they have already in

932
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 9: their family name. So it's certainly a factor, I think,

933
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 9: but it shouldn't be a huge factor to the point

934
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 9: where if you're saying you're all about winning, and Carlie

935
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,720
Speaker 9: Ersay Gordon said I'm here for us to be the best,

936
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 9: that is our goal, then you can't let those types

937
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 9: of things hold you back because I don't believe necessarily

938
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 9: that you can be the best. But also being extremely

939
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 9: frugal in any professional sports league, it's not reality. I mean,

940
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 9: even if we want to give it, like the Indiana

941
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 9: Land Spin. You look at the Hoosiers, they're very good

942
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 9: because of Kurtz Signetti. They're going to be very good

943
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 9: going forward because they put a bunch of money into

944
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 9: Kurz Signetti and his regime and changing things there. So

945
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 9: if that is a legitimate factor, which again I don't

946
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 9: think we'll ever get to the bottom of that when

947
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 9: it comes to finances, But if that is a determining

948
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 9: factor and whether you keep somebody who's been mediocre or not.

949
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 9: That to me is an indictment on maybe this franchise

950
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 9: really isn't going to get any better.

951
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 5: And just a little bit here from a financial standpoint,

952
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 5: just to throw numbers out there, Yeah, you know, if

953
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 5: we're talking three more years for stiking, let's throw out

954
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 5: eighteen million yo.

955
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 4: Him.

956
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 5: If we're talking you know, another year of ballad, you know,

957
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 5: buying them out whatever, Let's say north of five million.

958
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 5: So you start adding that up up, it's north of

959
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 5: twenty million to pay guys that you are no longer

960
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 5: going to obviously employ, plus all the money you then

961
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 5: have to pay new et coach you offense coordinating.

962
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean you could be the writers. They fire

963
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 9: me somewhere every year and they probably owe a ton

964
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 9: of money because of that.

965
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 5: And I can hear people saying I don't give two beliefs.

966
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 5: This is the freaking as a fan, right, But again,

967
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 5: that question to me is one that I get a

968
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 5: good amount.

969
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 3: I will also point out that as Red's fans, Kevin

970
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 3: and I have no idea what you're talking about with

971
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 3: frugal teams not winning.

972
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 4: What does he mean by that, Kevin, do we know

973
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 4: anything about that?

974
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 5: Never never heard of it.

975
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, James, thanks for being here for the hour. Appreciate it.

976
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 4: I know you got to get off and do some

977
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 4: work care, but.

978
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll checking with you, Kevin.

979
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 9: I'll take one for the team and I'll ask Kevin

980
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 9: or I'll shaying about his seven and twenty two record

981
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 9: at twenty teams.

982
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 5: Thank you, James.

983
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 4: Just come back safely, Okay, keep my seat warm.

984
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 3: We'll continue to take your feedback and we've got to

985
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 3: Indiana Football to talk about Scottdlson coming your way at

986
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 3: the top of the nine o'clock hour right here at

987
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 3: ninety three five and one on seven to five.

988
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 4: To the fan Shane Steichen at the very end there,

989
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 4: it's the Fan Morning Show. Along with the Kevin Bone.

990
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 4: I'm Jeff Pricker.

991
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 3: James Boyd is off to interview many of the Colts

992
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 3: players on exit interview day. Mark Dyton is back in

993
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 3: the fold again today. I want to touch on something

994
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 3: that we heard right there, Kevin Bone or you know,

995
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 3: you got to learn from things and you got to

996
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 3: move on. Does the Colts front office ownership do they

997
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 3: ever learn from things and move on? Or is it

998
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 3: just let's do the same thing again and again and

999
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 3: again and again.

1000
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean this current state. I mean, there's no

1001
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 5: two ways around it. It's an acceptance of mediocrity. And

1002
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 5: again calling it that, I would say is probably a compliment.

1003
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 5: I would say the Ballard era is certainly not been

1004
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 5: even a mediocre era. If you want to label it.

1005
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 4: So C minus, if you gave him a great overall.

1006
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 5: I think that's too high D plus.

1007
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 4: Sure.

1008
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, sounds like you're just willing to put the big

1009
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 3: red F on there and move on.

1010
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 7: Sounds like me in college, you're gonna have to repeat

1011
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 7: some courses here. I feel like you to do these again.

1012
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 5: Well, your other courses will lift that boat over there

1013
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 5: that is sinking. Yeah, I mean, I'll go back to

1014
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 5: what I said to lead off the show. Jeff. It's

1015
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 5: a as we all get back into work and get

1016
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 5: back into the big swing of things and new Year's resolution,

1017
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 5: this New Year's resolution that we all should make it

1018
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 5: a goal for ourselves to find us a boss that

1019
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 5: offers a leash as long as the Rsay family is

1020
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 5: given to Chris Ballard. It's one of those leashes you

1021
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 5: see the mall with those kids just running around on it,

1022
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 5: which again, after parenting Max Bowen for three years, I

1023
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 5: think I'm a little bit more open minded to the leash.

1024
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 5: Have you ever thought about the leash mark for one

1025
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 5: of your children?

1026
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 7: I have not, but there have definitely Nora, especially she's

1027
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 7: a spitfire. There's times where I'm like, I would be

1028
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 7: opposed to this, but I would also consider it at

1029
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 7: some time.

1030
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,479
Speaker 5: I think used to judge. Now I'm like, should I join?

1031
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 4: I think Nora would end up having you on the

1032
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 4: leash as what would happen.

1033
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 7: I'm convinced she would gnaw through it and just get loose.

1034
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 4: Anyway.

1035
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 3: I like it, but the leash has been certainly long

1036
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 3: for Chris Ballard and now Shane Steichen. And I'll say

1037
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 3: what I said at the beginning of the show for

1038
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 3: just joining us, Thanks for being here on this Monday morning.

1039
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 3: The season is over for the Colts as many other

1040
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 3: playoff teams move on in the National Football League.

1041
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 4: I like Chris Ballard a lot as a person.

1042
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 3: Everything I do know of him, my interactions with him,

1043
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 3: they've all been positive. But I don't know what other

1044
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 3: general manager has this record for this length of time

1045
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 3: and continues to get chance after chance after chance. It

1046
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 3: just doesn't seem to be working out here in Indianapolis.

1047
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 3: As for Shane Steiken, I think he's a terrific coordinator,

1048
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 3: would be a terrific offensive coordinator.

1049
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,720
Speaker 4: I've never been impressed with him as a head coach.

1050
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 3: Nothing about him has ever inspired me going, that's my

1051
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,919
Speaker 3: head coach. Even when things were going well at seven

1052
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 3: to one this year, I didn't get the since that

1053
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 3: he was a great head coach, leader of an organization,

1054
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 3: leader of men. I think he's terrific offensively, He's got

1055
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 3: a great offensive mind, does a lot of cool things.

1056
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 3: But I, for the life of me, don't understand knowing

1057
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 3: that I like Chris Ballard as a man, I really

1058
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 3: don't know Shane Steichen at all. I don't understand objectively

1059
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 3: and from a cold objective stance, why this is going

1060
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 3: to be run back again.

1061
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 4: I just don't get it.

1062
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a stench of acceptance over there by Eagle

1063
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 5: Creek off of West fifty sixth Street. That's exactly how

1064
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 5: I would label it. And you have organizations that strive

1065
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 5: for winning whatever division titles and playoff games and et cetera,

1066
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 5: et cetera. I found it very fitting on Sunday yesterday,

1067
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 5: the eleven year anniversary of your last home playoff game.

1068
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 5: It was yet another acceptance of mediocrity, Like that's the

1069
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 5: legacy of this cultire. It's not a winning legacy. It's

1070
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 5: not striving to win. It's an acceptance of frankly bottom quartile,

1071
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 5: if you want to label it accurately. And that's exactly

1072
00:48:56,040 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 5: where you're at right now. And again, Jeff, you know

1073
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 5: I probably was a little too fired up. Maybe that

1074
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 5: opening segment when you brought up you know this team,

1075
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 5: you know, whatever.

1076
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 4: Game away is the way to be fired up.

1077
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 5: You know you're saying that opening segment. You know this

1078
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 5: team's a game away from winning the game in December.

1079
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 5: That is not true about this team in twenty twenty five.

1080
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 5: Look at the standings. They missed winning the AFC South

1081
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:24,439
Speaker 5: by five games, five, but it was the sixty game

1082
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 5: collapse that made that. They missed making the wild card

1083
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 5: by three games. This is not a man if we

1084
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 5: just make that one field goal, or you know, if

1085
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 5: we just if you get that stop in Seattle, No, no, no,

1086
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 5: this is five games from winning the AFC South three games.

1087
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 5: And again, the Chargers just threw the tale yesterday, So

1088
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 5: I don't even know if that's accurate to say three games.

1089
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 5: Maybe it's more four games from making a wild card

1090
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 5: berth That is a massive gap. Daniel Jones tours Achilles

1091
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 5: a month ago. And just to remind everybody, you were

1092
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 5: out of the playoffs when Daniel Jones went down. Is

1093
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 5: it difficult to win a football game when you're that

1094
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 5: dire on the quarterback depth chart? Certainly, I believe you

1095
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 5: look around the NFL. You had six games one by

1096
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 5: third string quarterbacks this season, so it's not, you know,

1097
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 5: unheard of, it's obviously difficult. So that's where you know,

1098
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 5: we get to whatever Shane Sege's going to talk here

1099
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 5: in an hour Carli Rosse Gordon at two thirty Chris

1100
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 5: Pauer later this week. Do not tell me that this

1101
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 5: is one game away, one play away. This that if

1102
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 5: the injuries wouldn't have happened, like people exactly, you just

1103
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 5: snap your fingers and all of a sudden, this team

1104
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 5: would be hosting a home playoff game coming up on Saturday,

1105
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 5: Sunday or Monday. It's not true at all.

1106
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, to your point, and also kind of what I

1107
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 3: was trying to say on that whole thing is even

1108
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 3: when you were eight and two, you come out of

1109
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 3: the buy and you lose at Kansas City in overtime,

1110
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 3: all right, But after that, you still had four divisional

1111
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 3: games remaining with an eight and three record, and you

1112
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 3: lost all four of them to Houston, two to Jacksonville.

1113
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 3: We figured it was going to be tough at Seattle.

1114
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 3: You figured maybe coming out of the bye you had

1115
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 3: a chance to win in home against San Francisco. But

1116
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 3: when I say that there was an opportunity coming out

1117
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 3: of that buy, you were eight and two coming out

1118
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 3: of the buy, and you had four divisional games, And

1119
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 3: the truth of it is, you can't win divisional games

1120
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 3: against Houston and Jacksonville. Shane Steiken can't win divisional games

1121
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 3: against those two football teams. I don't know when this

1122
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 3: is just with the snap of a finger, is going

1123
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 3: to get better all of a sudden.

1124
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 4: Well, it might have been different if we had Daniel Jones.

1125
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,280
Speaker 3: Well again, Daniel Jones has got a lengthy injury history,

1126
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 3: and to your point, Kevin, when he went down, they

1127
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 3: were in the midst of this spiral.

1128
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think that's where I struggled. Maybe with

1129
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 5: the immense amount of Optic's optimism for twenty twenty six.

1130
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 5: It's you know, you are banking on the run it back. Obviously,

1131
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 5: you are banking on Daniel Joe. So the most important

1132
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 5: position in sports returning from a torn achilles. We have

1133
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,760
Speaker 5: two torn achilles in our town. One franchise has opted

1134
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 5: for sixteen months of recovery, the Indiana Pacers. The other

1135
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 5: one is opted for ten months of recovery in the

1136
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 5: Indianapolis Colts. So with two pretty different thoughts there with

1137
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 5: their star player at vital positions to the respective franchises.

1138
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 5: So again, and as you pointed out very accurately, Daniel

1139
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 5: Jones has unfortunately never proven himself over seventeen weeks on

1140
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 5: an annual basis, whether that's with his own play or

1141
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 5: with unfortunately the injury history. And then let's go the

1142
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 5: other side of the ball. You would probably call to

1143
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 5: Forest Buckner you most important defensive player, certainly one of them.

1144
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 5: And now you are banking on his return off next

1145
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 5: surgery at the age of what thirty one? Those are

1146
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 5: not injury you know, like when Jonathan Taylor had his

1147
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 5: ankle issue three or four years ago. You could sit

1148
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 5: there and say, all right, Taylor's injury history is a

1149
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 5: very lengthy This is not an achilles, it's not an

1150
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 5: acl it's not neck surgery. We feel like you can

1151
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 5: get back to being, you know, a high level running back. Now,

1152
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 5: it took a couple of years, but you know, and

1153
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 5: I guess this year is only for two months, but

1154
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 5: obviously he has shown signs where he was back to

1155
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 5: being a high level player that is not a torn

1156
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 5: achilles in less than a year at the most important

1157
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,919
Speaker 5: position sports. That is not neck surgery of a thirty

1158
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,720
Speaker 5: one year old defensive lineman, who is you know, clanging

1159
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 5: and banging on every single snap. That's where I struggle

1160
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 5: for the immense amount of optimism and as much as

1161
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 5: we might sit here or they is probably the better

1162
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 5: word to use at West fifty sixth Street and preach

1163
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 5: the injuries optimism running back. What are they saying in

1164
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 5: Kansas City about their quarterback right now? What are they

1165
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 5: saying in Cincinnati about their quarterback right now? What are

1166
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 5: they saying in Baltimore about their quarterback right now? Burrow, Mahomes, Jackson,

1167
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 5: None of the three in the postseason. You don't think

1168
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 5: there's going to be and the Chief's.

1169
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 4: Fort and headed to the postseason before Mahomes got hurt.

1170
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 5: Right, But just to be clear here, you don't think

1171
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 5: there's going to be optimism with those three franchises and

1172
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,439
Speaker 5: those three quarterbacks about saying, hey, that was our one

1173
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 5: bad year of quarterback luck. If you want to label

1174
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 5: at that, those are three dudes that have one MVP.

1175
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 5: He's played in super Bowls one super Bowls. Like, I

1176
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 5: don't know how better to define it. So just thinking

1177
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 5: that you'll snap your fingers and boom, you're going to

1178
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 5: be doing something you haven't done in five years, eight years,

1179
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 5: eleven years, however you want to define it, to me,

1180
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 5: seems ludicrous.

1181
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 7: I also think you're putting a lot of hopes and

1182
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 7: prayers in that Daniel Jones will be ready for training camp,

1183
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 7: that he will be fully recovered and rehabbed from his

1184
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 7: torn achilles amphibula. I mean, that just seems very lofty

1185
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 7: in my eyes, that you're banking on that being the case.

1186
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 5: Well, and my question, too, Mark, would be this, let's

1187
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,720
Speaker 5: just say Daniel Jones misses the month of September. Okay,

1188
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 5: October is when he's back. Now, I think we get

1189
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 5: into this debate more as the Offsea's moves along. I

1190
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 5: think there's two Daniel Jones questions. One when can he

1191
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 5: play again? Be when can he actually move again? Move

1192
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 5: to play quarterbacks? One of you the big that's one

1193
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 5: of his better Exactly, he was at his best this

1194
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 5: season when he was able to move, and then once

1195
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 5: the limitation started to creep in, we saw not anywhere

1196
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 5: near the same quarterback play. So again, let's just say

1197
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 5: he misses four games in September. Let's say you go whatever,

1198
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 5: one in three in those four games. Now, all of

1199
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 5: a sudden, you're putting immense amount of pressure on Jones

1200
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 5: over the final twelve or thirteen games to go something whatever,

1201
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 5: ten in three, ten and four, whatever the math says.

1202
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 5: And what happens if week at the end of the

1203
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 5: season and we're talking about another eight or nine win

1204
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 5: football team, Now, what are you doing? Are you saying?

1205
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 5: You know what? It's eight and nine for the fourth

1206
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 5: street year in a row. Bye, by golly, we're gonna

1207
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 5: run this back one more time, Chris Boward, here's a

1208
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 5: contract extension.

1209
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,919
Speaker 7: We should take pictures of everybody, So a year from now,

1210
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 7: when we're doing the same show, we all wear the

1211
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 7: same clothes, and it'll be just like we're in a

1212
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 7: time warp.

1213
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 5: It's so true. We could just run a back Marky.

1214
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 5: You could have probably just played it on repeat last

1215
00:55:59,160 --> 00:55:59,879
Speaker 5: year from Black Lives.

1216
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 4: How you're open from a year ago.

1217
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 7: I should find it.

1218
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 5: We'll actually try to dig that up. What's the most

1219
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 5: damning to you, Jeff, that they can't win divisional games?

1220
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 5: Eleven years without a division title, eight years without a

1221
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 5: playoff win, five years without a playoff appearance.

1222
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 3: It starts with the division. You start winning your divisional games,

1223
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 3: you win your division and maybe even get a home

1224
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 3: playoff game here and there, and maybe that makes a difference.

1225
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 3: All I know is when you can't win consistently in

1226
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 3: your own division, you're not going anywhere in the national

1227
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 3: football game. Is you can't get out of your own neighborhood,

1228
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 3: you get get off your own block.

1229
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 5: Five years without a playoff appearance. Just to put some

1230
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 5: context around that, twenty nine of thirty one teams have

1231
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 5: made the playoffs since you last have. That would be

1232
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 5: the Falcons and the Jets, the only two teams to

1233
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 5: have a longer playoff drought than you. And again mention

1234
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 5: this a little bit. One thing the ballad era benefits

1235
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 5: from that, not other eras do. Is back in COVID, Jeff,

1236
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 5: we extended the playoffs by a team, so it went

1237
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 5: from six to seven. I can't believe I said six

1238
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 5: to seven. As people are driving to work this morning, I.

1239
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 7: Keep waiting for that to die out and actively it's

1240
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 7: now forty one.

1241
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 5: Have you heard this? No? I have not.

1242
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 7: I kids don't go back to school till tomorrow, so

1243
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 7: maybe I'll hear that after they get back.

1244
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 5: Just good luck on that. You know, when you look

1245
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 5: at the playoffs expanding again, not every other era of

1246
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 5: GM's benefit from that. You know, when the Colts last

1247
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 5: made the playoffs, it was the first year of the

1248
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 5: seventh team. They got in because they were the seventh team.

1249
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 5: And yet here we are over now, you know, four

1250
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 5: straight years, I guess five straight years and missing the

1251
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 5: playoffs and you know, seven to sixteen make it. I

1252
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 5: mean that's a I'm no math major. That's pretty close

1253
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 5: to fifty percent, is it not? And yet here are

1254
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 5: the Colts with the third longest current playoff drought in

1255
00:57:58,280 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 5: the entire NFL.

1256
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 3: You want to talk about quarterbacks, To me, the most

1257
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 3: damning thing against Chris Ballard is. I think most of

1258
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 3: us who follow the NFL would agree that the two

1259
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 3: most important positions, if you took one on each side

1260
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 3: of the ball quarterback clearly, an edge rusher. You've got

1261
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 3: to be able to create havoc with the other team.

1262
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 3: That's what you build a defense around usually is a

1263
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 3: great edge rusher. He's been over on all those things

1264
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 3: since Luck retired.

1265
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 5: And he's put in a hell of an effort. I mean,

1266
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 5: you know, quarterback, he opted not he opted to go

1267
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 5: band aid when Andrew Luck shocked the world, you know

1268
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 5: he could you know, they had the thirteenth overall pick

1269
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 5: that very next year. We've gone over this a million times.

1270
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 5: That was a draft with you know, Burrow and Herbert

1271
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,479
Speaker 5: and Tua and Hurts and Love and all those quarters.

1272
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 5: But one of the best, you know, quarterback drafts we've

1273
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 5: had in a while. And he opted to go band aid.

1274
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 5: And you know that was a choice. To me. The

1275
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 5: pass rush, the defensive line. As we've said all morning,

1276
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 5: that's more of the damning issue. If I'm the evaluator

1277
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 5: of him, if I'm current right, I mean you're talking.

1278
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm trying to think in his first draft,

1279
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 5: he spent a third rounder in his next draft. There

1280
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 5: was a second rounder in his next draft. There was

1281
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 5: a second rounder. Obviously, quit Hey pays a first rounder,

1282
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 5: you know a lot too, first rounder. You know tuy

1283
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 5: Malilau second rounder. You know Dio is the second round.

1284
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 5: I mean, I could go on and on, and I

1285
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 5: haven't even gotten into the money. There's been a significant

1286
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 5: amount of money also invested into that group as well,

1287
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 5: I believe, and someone have to double check me on this,

1288
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 5: I believe it is a top five money invested group

1289
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 5: in the entire NFL. And on top of that, that

1290
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 5: doesn't even go into the draft picks. And I think

1291
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 5: if you add it up, I want to say, it's

1292
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 5: like three first round picks in that room right now,

1293
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 5: three second rounders, maybe a couple of thirds, and like

1294
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 5: a couple fourths. I mean, there's no room in on

1295
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 5: the culturoster that looks like that in terms of how

1296
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 5: much exact resources you have put into it. So that's

1297
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 5: the other one that would be really to me.

1298
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, And when you come talk to me about Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 3: they played a very soft schedule those first eight nine

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Speaker 3: weeks really until they got to Kansas City.

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Speaker 4: It was a fairly soft schedule. But look at the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna have to compete against your and you're out

1303
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 3: for the next however.

1304
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 4: Long five eight years, maybe more.

1305
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 3: Drake May who's about to be the league MVP in

1306
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 3: New England and looks like the real deal. Josh Allen's

1307
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 3: not going anywhere. To your point, Burrow and Jackson, they're.

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Speaker 4: Not going anywhere at this point time.

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01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence with Liam Cohen has looked like a or

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Speaker 3: Liam Cohen. It's looked like a completely different quarterback, is

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Speaker 3: he not? He looks like the guy that everybody thought

1312
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Speaker 3: was going to be the big, big gun coming out

1313
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Speaker 3: of Clemson.

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01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 4: Obviously c J. Stroud and they've been successible.

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01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 5: You know, Travis Hunter being hurt for you.

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01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 3: You can debate all you want about whether or not

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01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 3: c J. Stroud's an elite quarterback or not. All I

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01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 3: know is Houston wins a lot of football games with

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01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 3: him at quarterback, don't they They won a lot of

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Speaker 3: football games with him at quarterback. Then you take a

1321
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 3: look at obviously Patrick Mahomes is to be coming back.

1322
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 3: Herbert's not going anywhere. I have no idea if bo

1323
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 3: Nix is a good quarterback or not. I can't. I

1324
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 3: can't make up my mind from drive to drive whether

1325
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 3: he's a good quarterback or not. But my point is,

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Speaker 3: those are the guys you're gonna have to compete against

1327
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Speaker 3: for the next five.

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Speaker 4: To eight years.

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01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 3: Is Daniel Jones truly the guy you think is going

1330
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 3: to be go toe to toe head to head with

1331
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Speaker 3: that group of quarterbacks.

1332
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Speaker 4: It's a fair question, is it not.

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Speaker 5: No, certainly, certainly it is on the list of questions,

1334
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Speaker 5: plurally that you would have.

1335
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Speaker 3: Right now, all right, we'll take another gander at the

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Speaker 3: text line coming up in a few minutes.

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Speaker 7: Here, I've found the open from last year. By the way, Oh,

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01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 7: plate it on the other side.

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Speaker 4: I like it.

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Speaker 5: Fascinating.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I like it. We'll do that, talk about running

1342
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Speaker 4: it back.

1343
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Speaker 5: Mark, you're sick. Mark, can you find the one.

1344
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 4: From two years ago? Probably good, we'll just do the

1345
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 4: rest of the show.

1346
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 5: I was actually looking up last week. I was looking

1347
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 5: up the end of the season letters that the Cult

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01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 5: have sent out to announce these. You know, yesterday we

1349
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 5: didn't get the letter. We just got a very simple,

1350
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 5: two sentence short state the Carly will talk on Monday.

1351
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 5: And I said this in the opening hour. And I

1352
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 5: do mean this in all seriousness, and I think all

1353
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 5: thirty two NFL teams should fall in this boat. I

1354
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 5: would give credits Carl or say Gordon for speaking today.

1355
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 5: You know, last year we didn't hear from anybody within

1356
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 5: the family.

1357
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Speaker 3: I don't know that there was anybody to hear from

1358
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 3: necessarily last year.

1359
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Speaker 5: I think all we know now, well, I know Jim

1360
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 5: Mersey's health from a physical standpoint was certainly but you

1361
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 5: know we heard him speak in the postgame locker room,

1362
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 5: and you know spoke. I thought, honestly it was one

1363
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 5: of the best that he had sounded. So I mean

1364
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 5: whatever zum Havel Carly speak, you know. To me, I

1365
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 5: think every NFL franchise owes it to their fan base, time, money,

1366
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 5: all of that that is invested from fans. There should

1367
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 5: be a post mortem for every single NFL team from

1368
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 5: their ownership.

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Speaker 3: All right, Mark, let's check it down and then we'll

1370
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Speaker 3: get to all that good stuff coming up.

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Speaker 4: In just a moment.

1372
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Speaker 1: The morning checkdown on nuety sweet five and one oh

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01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 1: seven five the fan Well, by now.

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Speaker 3: You know the Colts lost to the Texans thirty eight thirty.

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01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 3: We didn't It's so much going on, Kevin. We even

1376
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 3: talked about that last attempted kickoff lateral thing that ended

1377
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 3: up with a touchdown for the excellence.

1378
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Speaker 4: That pretty much was the season in microcosm.

1379
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 5: Yes, right, the exact way to someone up thirty eight

1380
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 5: thirty was the loss.

1381
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 3: They announced after the game that they'll be keeping Chris

1382
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,439
Speaker 3: Ballard and Shane Stike and they go eight to nine

1383
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 3: on the season, missed the playoffs.

1384
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 4: Again.

1385
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 3: Some brightness Riley Leonard twenty one or thirty four to two

1386
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy yards, two touchdowns, an interception, had a

1387
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 3: rushing touchdown, showed glimpses of what he might be capable of,

1388
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 3: but also showed some of the limitations as well.

1389
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Speaker 4: But I thought he was way down the list of

1390
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 4: problems for the Colt Chester. I thought he played okay.

1391
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 5: No, I thought he played better than okay, to be

1392
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 5: honest with you, especially in the first half there when

1393
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 5: Houston starty defense was in the game, the second and

1394
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:40,959
Speaker 5: the third level throws, Jeff, I mean that was That's

1395
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 5: my question coming out of Notre Dame is can you

1396
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 5: consistently deliver from the pocket. We know he can make

1397
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 5: plays with his legs. He showed that yesterday. It's more

1398
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 5: of that. When they cut off those legs, can you deliver?

1399
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 5: And I thought, yeah, I mean some of the touch

1400
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 5: he had on the second level stuff and obviously the

1401
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:58,439
Speaker 5: deep balls that you saw. I mean all in all, Yeah,

1402
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,120
Speaker 5: he's got stuff to work on, you know, just to

1403
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 5: know and when enough is enough when he is in

1404
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 5: the pocket. But I was very impressed by Riley Leonard,

1405
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 5: so kudos to him. I thought he offered a higher

1406
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 5: ceiling than Philip Rivers. That was the move I would

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01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 5: have gone with a month ago. I don't know if

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01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 5: the record would have overwhelmingly be different than O one three,

1409
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 5: but I think that ceiling was something that you needed

1410
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 5: because you put way too much pressure on your other

1411
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 5: cracking areas of your football team by playing Rivers.

1412
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, Texans sold out on the run. They stopped Jonathan

1413
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 3: Taylor for the most part. He had fourteen carries twenty

1414
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 3: six yards. But Alec Pierce continuing the show. In my opinion,

1415
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 3: he is absolutely a number one wide receiver, should be

1416
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 3: paid as such and retain four catches one hundred and

1417
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 3: thirty two yards two touchdowns. He's either behind the defense

1418
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 3: all the time or winning contested catches. He just that's

1419
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 3: what he does. Both one of the two. He either

1420
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:47,959
Speaker 3: gets behind you or he'll just win the contested catch.

1421
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 5: Did I have more contact with the opposite sex at

1422
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 5: the eighth grade dance at Clay Junior High Or did

1423
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Speaker 5: Alec Pierce have more contact with that official yesterday?

1424
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 3: I would say neither for both. Still, he got thrown

1425
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 3: out of a game.

1426
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 7: That was one of the tweets of that I saw

1427
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 7: yesterday that made Belly laugh was when I read your tweet.

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01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 7: That was quite funny.

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01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you for that. All right, so ref,

1430
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 5: I'd argue the ref might have initiated it, like when

1431
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 5: Peter Gotty did turn to explain it. Hell, there was

1432
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 5: more contact when Pierre shook his hand leaving the field.

1433
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 3: Colts will speak to the media in the form of

1434
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 3: Carly Urs Gordon at two point thirty this afternoon.

1435
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 4: You'll hear it.

1436
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 3: Live right here on ninety three five and one on

1437
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 3: seven five the Fan. There has been one front office

1438
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 3: and coaching move made already. The Falcons have fired Raheem

1439
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 3: Morris's head coach and their general manager, Terry Fonteau, despite

1440
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 3: the fact that they won their last four games. To

1441
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 3: finish the season, and the players were vocally in favor

1442
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 3: of keeping those guys around. So you know, Arthur Blank

1443
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 3: again regime change. He doesn't have any problems making changes

1444
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 3: down there in Atlanta.

1445
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 5: So Raheem Morris, to believe, the runner up to Shane

1446
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 5: Psiken here, So that was what eight to nine for

1447
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 5: two seasons and he's gone.

1448
01:05:58,120 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 9: Yep, we have Matt Ryan.

1449
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 7: So they're going to be saying that that's how they're

1450
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 7: going to introduce Matt Ryan.

1451
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 4: Didn't we say that at one point in time. Yeah,

1452
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 4: that's the rumor, all right. NBA.

1453
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 3: Last night Pacers lost to Orlando won thirty five to one.

1454
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 3: Twenty seven is actually in the afternoon, but they've now

1455
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 3: lost twelve in a row. Benedict Matherin now is going

1456
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 3: to miss a little bit of time with a thumb

1457
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 3: injury that apparently he's been battling through for a while.

1458
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 5: Kevin, Yeah, obviously the tow injury sideline him, and certainly

1459
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 5: his efficiency has struggled here recently. Yeah, twelve in a row,

1460
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:31,479
Speaker 5: and Yester, I at me, boy, they had some chances there,

1461
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 5: a couple of fifty to fifty balls. I thought they

1462
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 5: could have gotten there. In the fourth quarter, but a

1463
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 5: huge rum by Orlando in the second quarter. Boy, they

1464
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 5: have been stuck on that. I mean, we asked for

1465
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 5: Karlot about nine hundred ninety nine wins like three weeks ago,

1466
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 5: and now here they are still stuck on it.

1467
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 3: If you had to look at reactions, and I don't

1468
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 3: know why I just thought of this, you more concerned

1469
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 3: with the reaction of Alec Pierce bumping an NFL official

1470
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 3: or Micah Shrewsbury absolutely losing his mind Saturday afternoon.

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Speaker 5: I've got about five minutes on Michael Shrewsbury. I don't

1472
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 5: think the time is today to necessarily, but can I

1473
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 5: get that off my chest? Maybe tomorrow you can absolutely

1474
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 5: And you said afternoon, Jeff, that happened at one am

1475
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 5: in the morning.

1476
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 4: It was late late at night.

1477
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 5: I get my one am. Wait till you hear me

1478
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 5: slept my sing for consuming that at one am in

1479
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 5: the morning.

1480
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 3: You can tell I'm not sleeping these days because I

1481
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 3: don't know what time anything is anymore.

1482
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 4: I'm just happy to be here on time in the morning.

1483
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 3: Also, in basketball, yesterday college hoops Indiana ninety Washington eighty.

1484
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 3: They acquitted themselves quite well on the board yesterday saying

1485
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 3: pretty even with Washington is one of the better offensive

1486
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 3: rebounding teams in the Big Ten. Lamar Wilkerson had twenty

1487
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 3: two points. Tayton Connorway had twenty. Also, Indiana football getting

1488
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 3: ready for the College Football Playoff, the semi final game

1489
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 3: against Oregon Friday night.

1490
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 4: But man, are they cleaning up in the portal right now?

1491
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 3: A quarterback from TCU, a wide receiver from Michigan State,

1492
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 3: a safety from Cincinnati, defensive lineman from your Notre Dame

1493
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 3: Fight and Irish, a Boston College running back named Turbo,

1494
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 3: which I love, and a Kansas State edge rusher that

1495
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 3: everybody wantedbe os insomny.

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01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 10: Uh.

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Speaker 4: Wow. They are really continuing this momentum. Kevin Bowen. Yeah.

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01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 5: And the thing about Kurt Signetty like sometimes you see

1499
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 5: this portal stuff, I'm like, I'm nervous to jump to

1500
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 5: portal conclusions. I don't know, maybe if that's the Mike

1501
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:16,680
Speaker 5: Woodson scarring me in that. But if Kurt Signetti told

1502
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 5: me today, if he just showed up outside of our

1503
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 5: studio right now and looked at me and goes, you

1504
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 5: can finish top ten of the Boston Marathon in a

1505
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 5: few months.

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01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 7: You're ready to go, I'd be like, hell yeah I can.

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01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 4: Kevin's running a two eight all of a sudden.

1508
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 5: Can you train me like Signetti? Like anything he touches

1509
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 5: just turns to gold. So yeah, Josh burnhamant Notre Dame,

1510
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 5: we'll probably turn it into a first team All American here.

1511
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 5: But yeah, money and legit coaching that can go a

1512
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 5: long way. And they obviously have a legit coach and

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01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 5: they certainly have the money. So uh yeah, they're building it,

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01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 5: and really I'm not we can get more of this

1515
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:47,680
Speaker 5: is a week moves along Scott Doleson on to join

1516
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 5: us in nine. I'm not that worried about Oregon. You know,

1517
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 5: I thought they'd control Alabama. Obviously didn't think thirty eight three,

1518
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 5: but I thought it'd you know, be a pretty much

1519
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 5: a breeze. And you know a lot of people point

1520
01:08:57,920 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 5: back to, oh, it's tough to beat a team twice.

1521
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 5: I mean, look back that game and thought Indiana didn't

1522
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 5: even play their best bunch of penalleys in that game.

1523
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 5: Charlie Becker hadn't even really emerged yet. I think in

1524
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 5: Indiana wins, and I think they cover coming up on.

1525
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 3: Friday, Brandon Smith breaks a record in the Big Ten.

1526
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 3: He's now the all time assists leader as the Purdue

1527
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 3: boiler Maker's got a win over Wisconsin this past weekend.

1528
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 4: So that's what's happening in the world of sports.

1529
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 3: Coming up in a moment, more of your feedback, more

1530
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 3: on running it back here at ninety three five and

1531
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:28,719
Speaker 3: one on seven five the Fan.

1532
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:32,520
Speaker 5: I just want to repay.

1533
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 7: I just want to be running back.

1534
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,320
Speaker 12: I've always had a strong belief in myself and those

1535
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:40,599
Speaker 12: around me, strong belief in what we do.

1536
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:43,719
Speaker 13: You know, I don't know specifically with Chris Bauer's situation

1537
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:46,600
Speaker 13: because he's very close with Jim Mersey, and you know,

1538
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 13: maybe it's a little different, but you know, it's not

1539
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 13: something that all gms would survive.

1540
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 14: Chris was highly sought after when he came here. It

1541
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 14: was a great indication in this organization that he wanted

1542
01:09:58,040 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 14: to come here because he could have gone anywhere he

1543
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 14: wants it.

1544
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 4: You know, he's been.

1545
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 14: Executive of the Year before and you guys can try

1546
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 14: to diminish him all you want, but that's just your words.

1547
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 14: They have no substance to it, because there's no truth

1548
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 14: in it. I mean, the guy's a winner, and he's

1549
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 14: been immensely successful. You know, no one's perfect in this game.

1550
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 14: We all lose a lot in this league. You know

1551
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:21,679
Speaker 14: how many shots Michael Jordan's missed. You know how many

1552
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 14: games Michael Jordan's lost.

1553
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 12: But I still have a very strong belief in what

1554
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 12: we're doing, how we're doing it, and how we're going.

1555
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 11: To get there.

1556
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 4: I don't know how to make sausage. I don't know

1557
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:32,959
Speaker 4: what goes into sausage.

1558
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 13: It's been a lot of years. It hasn't been a

1559
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 13: lot of playoff wins. And if the quarterback turns out

1560
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 13: to be not good enough and they have another year

1561
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:42,679
Speaker 13: of not making the playoffs, like most teams would make changes.

1562
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 12: In the land of gambling, gamble, gamble, gambles, you've been

1563
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 12: kicking it out of me for years.

1564
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:50,840
Speaker 14: In the upper quartile of winners. We're in the top

1565
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 14: quartile of that upper quartile. That's rare here.

1566
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 12: I mean, going ought at least be freaking happy for once.

1567
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 5: Well, I say we end with you. Guys can follow him.

1568
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 4: I just want to.

1569
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 5: I just want to running back. I just want to read.

1570
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 3: That was roughly one year ago, the Monday after the

1571
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 3: final regular season game when the Colts again missed out

1572
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 3: on the playoffs.

1573
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 4: And I'm just curious, with all due respect to a

1574
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 4: man I.

1575
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 3: Admire greatly in the late great Jim irsay, there's some

1576
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 3: Colts colored glasses he's looking through to say that the

1577
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 3: culture in the upper quartile of the upper quartile for

1578
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 3: winning in the National Football League.

1579
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 4: Not in the last decade, Kevin. I don't care what

1580
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 4: metric you use. What metric can you use to possibly

1581
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 4: even rationalize that?

1582
01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 5: Now, I guess the first few months of the season

1583
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 5: that would be it's mark. Just to reiterate for our

1584
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 5: audience out there, they're just joining us. That was the

1585
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 5: intro you made on this Monday last year, Yes, timestamp.

1586
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 7: Of let's see what this says January, yeah, twenty twenty five. Yeah,

1587
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:21,599
Speaker 7: last January sixth, twenty twenty five, so literally a year.

1588
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 4: Ago, three hundred and sixty four days aw.

1589
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:25,680
Speaker 5: Th last year. We got the letter about eight or

1590
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 5: nine pm last night yesterday. We got word a little

1591
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 5: bit earlier. I had a feeling when the Colt started

1592
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 5: rapid firing in their social media tweets thank you fans

1593
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 5: twenty twenty six opponents as soon as the game ended.

1594
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh boy, those are saved in the drafts.

1595
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 7: Those have those ready to go?

1596
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 5: Usually, yeah, they are ready to move on. Yeah you

1597
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 5: could run hell, you could run the show back from

1598
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 5: last Monday. And you know, I don't know, Jeff, I

1599
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 5: found myself and this is not good. But like I

1600
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:57,680
Speaker 5: found myself a little bit numb to it, a little bit,

1601
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 5: like you know, it's not I shouldn't be apathetic, you know,

1602
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:05,600
Speaker 5: Like you know, my job and our job is to

1603
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:08,719
Speaker 5: entertain here from seven to ten, you know, Monday through Friday.

1604
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:12,680
Speaker 5: But like I just expected the Colts to do this.

1605
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 5: You know, people ask me, Hey, were you surprised? I'm like, no,

1606
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 5: this is typical cults. It's not a culture of winning

1607
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 5: right now. It's a culture of accepting mediocrity. And accepting

1608
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:24,640
Speaker 5: mediocrity again would be a compliment to this era. If

1609
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 5: you want to use the phrase upper quartile again, do

1610
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 5: you want me to read off? The AFC finishes like

1611
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 5: you can define it in so many different ways. Eleven

1612
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:35,120
Speaker 5: eighty five are the three big ones for me? Eleven

1613
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 5: years out of division title. I believe it's twenty five

1614
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 5: teams have won a division title since you last have

1615
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 5: eight years without a playoff win. I believe that's twenty

1616
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 5: two teams have won a playoff game since you last have.

1617
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 5: I think four can add to it in this playoff cycle.

1618
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 5: And then the last one is five years out of

1619
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 5: playoff appearance, and that is twenty nine teams have made

1620
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:56,640
Speaker 5: the playoffs since you last have. But if you just

1621
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 5: want to go finishes in the conference again, there's sixteen

1622
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 5: teams in the AFS under Chris Ballard. Your finishes are

1623
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 5: this thirteenth, sixth, tenth, seventh, eighth, fifteenth, ninth, ninth, eighth, eighth.

1624
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:13,879
Speaker 4: That's as middle of the road as it gets.

1625
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, that's a compliment to middle of the road.

1626
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 5: That's not middle of the road like that is average

1627
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 5: to below average. That is not I mean, you haven't

1628
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 5: finished top five in nine years, let alone, you know

1629
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 5: better than average.

1630
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 10: Here.

1631
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 3: I'm just saying your average is right around the middle

1632
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 3: of sixteen teams.

1633
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 4: But that's not good enough. Yeah, it just it doesn't

1634
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 4: get you anywhere. They never go anywhere. They're stuck in

1635
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 4: the mud. Go to the fan text.

1636
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 3: Line again and Scott writes in I was fourteen when

1637
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 3: the Colts moved here.

1638
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 4: I've been a fan.

1639
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 3: Since then, I sat through a one in fifteen season

1640
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 3: and a season that started oh to thirteen. These last

1641
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 3: nine years have been the worst years for me being

1642
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 3: a Colts fan. I just hope James and Kevin really

1643
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:58,679
Speaker 3: grilled Carly and Ballard. We all know the other media

1644
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:01,759
Speaker 3: and Indy won't since they kiss up to the Colts,

1645
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 3: sow Greg Doyle today saying it's the right move.

1646
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 4: If this is.

1647
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 3: If that this is Ballard's last chance, how do you

1648
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 3: define that? What happens if they go? What if they

1649
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:16,599
Speaker 3: lose out again in the last week of the season

1650
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 3: next year and their record is ten and seven, and

1651
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:21,720
Speaker 3: so they've improved on the regular season record, but they

1652
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 3: don't get into the postseason, then what do you do?

1653
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 3: Are you having the same conversation all over again, Kevin and.

1654
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 5: They probably move in the Manning statue and build a

1655
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 5: ballad one.

1656
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 4: That's harsh.

1657
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 7: Natalie's hang a banner at least ten years of service,

1658
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 7: We do that.

1659
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 5: Harsh, But would you be surprised, you know again the

1660
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 5: Ballard leash. I mean it's he's going in the ring

1661
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 5: of honor right at some point it is insane how

1662
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 5: long it is, truly is how long this leash is.

1663
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:54,720
Speaker 5: And that's why I asked James that question before he

1664
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 5: headed up there to locker room clean out. And I'll

1665
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 5: ask you it, Jeff, And I don't know, maybe you

1666
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 5: get this question a lot, but I do get it

1667
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 5: from people. Are the Colts NFL poor?

1668
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 4: I get it from a lot of people?

1669
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:13,959
Speaker 5: And is that at play at all here in this decision?

1670
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 4: Go over the numbers again? Should they make a decision?

1671
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:18,760
Speaker 5: So again, these are just I'm throwing numbers at the

1672
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 5: wall here. These are not concrete numbers by any means.

1673
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 5: But with Chris Boward having one more year left in

1674
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 5: his contract, I believe Changsaiken has three more. If you

1675
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 5: were to fire them, obviously you still have to pay them.

1676
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 5: Then you're hiring a totally new regime GM, you know,

1677
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 5: front off of staff, head coach, coaching staff, et cetera,

1678
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 5: et cetera. You add up all of that, it's probably

1679
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 5: north of a thirty million dollar decision to do the

1680
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 5: firing and do the hiring. And is that a factor

1681
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 5: in any of this inheritance tax selling of a lot

1682
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 5: of Jim Mersey's.

1683
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 4: Personal profitsy stuff.

1684
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 5: I guess, for lack of a better term, I don't know,

1685
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 5: spreading the wealth across now, you know, kind of three.

1686
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 5: But it's a legit question, right, And it's a question again,

1687
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 5: I get a lot from people, and how much of

1688
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 5: that is at play here? And I can hear people

1689
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 5: screaming in their car right now saying I don't give

1690
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 5: two bleeps. It's the national frickin Football League. Either you

1691
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 5: pull your chair up at the table or you get

1692
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 5: the hell out of the room. That's how people would

1693
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 5: view it. But haven't we seen this franchise be a

1694
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 5: little hesitant in free agency? Haven't we seen them spend

1695
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 5: their money a little differently when it comes to whatever

1696
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 5: how much cash they present in these contracts when it

1697
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 5: comes to free agency, is that at play here at all?

1698
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:44,680
Speaker 5: When it comes to their current state of the franchise?

1699
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 5: That is a question that I do have.

1700
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:50,680
Speaker 3: And they have not been hamstrung at all by some

1701
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 3: huge contract to a perceived franchise quarterback during this whole time, either,

1702
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 3: right and I which which which hurts others? Sometimes your

1703
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 3: quarterback gets so good and make so much money it's

1704
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:04,560
Speaker 3: hard to fill other positions.

1705
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 5: Right, which, Again, that to me is almost a different conversation.

1706
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 5: That is a little bit more salary cap counting, right,

1707
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 5: you know that is a little different than you know,

1708
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:16,640
Speaker 5: where I'm going with this one. So it's just, you know,

1709
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 5: there are other owners, whether it's the Waltons or whether

1710
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:22,679
Speaker 5: it's you know whoever, there are other owners, Stan Cronky,

1711
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:26,719
Speaker 5: I guess that's the same thing. But they're rich, really

1712
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 5: really rich. And when it comes to the thirty two

1713
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 5: NFL franchises, where are the Colts in the rich scale?

1714
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:36,240
Speaker 5: And is that at play here? It's a question that

1715
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 5: I don't know, but that's one I've got.

1716
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 3: Cody writes in why does it feel like Chris Ballard

1717
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 3: owns the Colts? It has to be the bond that

1718
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 3: was built as Ballard helped them navigate both personally and professionally,

1719
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 3: the addiction struggles and death of their father. He can't

1720
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 3: build a winner, but he seems really respected around the league.

1721
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:55,719
Speaker 4: Still.

1722
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 3: They likely leaned on him in a lot of ways

1723
01:18:57,920 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 3: outside of his typical GM role, and they fill up

1724
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 3: legated to honor the last year of his contract at least.

1725
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:05,560
Speaker 3: Question Mark fans and even some media often forget the

1726
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 3: human element in sports. It often outweighs logic. It's a business,

1727
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 3: but one built on relationships as much as winning, and

1728
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 3: I do know that Jim Mersey loved him some Chris ballad.

1729
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:17,559
Speaker 3: I can only assume that that goes to the rest

1730
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 3: of the family as well.

1731
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 5: Hey, to me, the bottom line business ultimately outweighs it

1733
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,479
Speaker 5: because there's a dollars and cents that it's hurting your

1734
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:28,720
Speaker 5: franchise bottom line. Right now, again, eleven years without a

1735
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 5: home playoff game, you don't think that is hurting the

1736
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:36,519
Speaker 5: pockets over at what's fifty six Street. You don't think

1737
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:38,800
Speaker 5: what their first Monday night football game in three years,

1738
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 5: you don't think that is hurting the pockets of it.

1739
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 5: I would assume that is. You know, we did it

1740
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 5: a few weeks ago, Jeff, where we went over all

1741
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 5: the things that have happened in this city, whether that's

1742
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 5: Lucas Oll State, you know, Indiana basketball. You would consider

1743
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 5: them to be a disappointment over the last decade. Right

1744
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:58,639
Speaker 5: They've won multiple NCAA tournament games since the Colts last

1745
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:02,679
Speaker 5: hosted playoff game. I mean like that would be stunning

1746
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,640
Speaker 5: to probably a lot of people here. No matter how

1747
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 5: you slice it, whatever franchise, whatever college football, basketball pro

1748
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 5: help Purdue football made the Big Ten title game more

1749
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 5: recently than the Colts made the playoffs, not hosted a

1750
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 5: home playoff game, made the playoffs. So to me, when

1751
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 5: I would see that socially experiencing that Pacer run last year,

1752
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 5: I was really curious, Like from a human element, if

1753
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 5: you want to play that card, and again, if you're

1754
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 5: theirs a daughters and you watch your kids experience that run,

1755
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:37,160
Speaker 5: their friends experience that run, you're attending those games, you're

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01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 5: in those atmospheres, you're seeing how the city, I mean

1757
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 5: the city Jeff was. I mean they were on cloud

1758
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 5: nine there for two months. You know with that run.

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01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 4: They've probably felt that way when they were seven and one,

1760
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 4: and yet.

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01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 5: To continue to accept what that has looked like.

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01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, question before we break here on top of the hour.

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01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 3: Scott Dolson from Indiana's going to stop by Berlin from

1764
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 3: Greenfield right, look at the bright side.

1765
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 4: Finally found our kicker.

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01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 5: How about Blake Groupi's tackle attempt yesterday? I thought he

1767
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 5: was in concussion protocol. Iron Eagle was worried for him.

1768
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 7: I think, are we having a kicking competition?

1769
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 5: Don't really? Why not? Til Spencer Strader gets healthy, might

1770
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 5: as well have Blake groupy out there.

1771
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:21,280
Speaker 7: Let's run that back.

1772
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a quality kicker comp and I say that

1773
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:27,720
Speaker 5: all seriousness. That's a quality kicker competition. That might be

1774
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 5: the biggest goal, namely the goals. The Colts accomplish this here.

1775
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 5: They ended their week one streak and they found two kickers.

1776
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, they brought Philip Rivers back from retirement. They created

1777
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 7: a great Hallmark punted his Hall of Fame speech down

1778
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 7: five years.

1779
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 5: So we got three things accomplished. Week one drought is over,

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01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:49,640
Speaker 5: two quality kickers in a Hallmark.

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01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 7: Movie and a win in Berlin.

1782
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 5: How about four. Let's chalk it up to four.

1783
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:55,160
Speaker 3: There we go, all right, quick time out. We'll take

1784
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 3: some more of your feedback. You can still call us

1785
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 3: up the old fashioned way if you'd like. Two nine

1786
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 3: ten seventy text line getting very popular these days. You

1787
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:03,599
Speaker 3: can also text us there at two three ninety ten seventy.

1788
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 3: It's a fan in morning show with KB and Jeff

1789
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:09,080
Speaker 3: James is over at Colts camp right now, getting ready

1790
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 3: to talk to the players. We'll tell you all about

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Speaker 3: it next ninety three five and one oh seven five

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01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:12,759
Speaker 3: the fan.

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01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 5: Down moyeten me.

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Speaker 1: You were listening to a fan morning show on Sports

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Speaker 1: Radio ninety three five and one oh.

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Speaker 4: Seventy five, The fan boyeten me Mark.

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01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 3: I kind of thought we'd get the twenty twenty three

1798
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:37,599
Speaker 3: and twenty twenty four runbacks there. I know how good

1799
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 3: you are and how how precise you are. You're having

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Speaker 3: it's tough you can't hear you right now, but not good.

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01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:48,479
Speaker 7: I was gonna say, I don't know if I want

1802
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 7: to give anybody, you know, audio purgatory with how I could,

1803
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 7: how deep I can go in the sadness of suck

1804
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 7: that has been this time period of cults.

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01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:59,759
Speaker 5: You're certainly fine enough to blackmail me over the years.

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01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,639
Speaker 7: That's true, Kevin, You've been a good boy today so far.

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01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:06,800
Speaker 5: Wow, Shane Steichen seven and twenty two against teams above

1808
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 5: five hundred, tell you that again. Seven and twenty two

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01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 5: against teams If you want to look a little deeper

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01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:21,599
Speaker 5: into that, I believe like half or close to half.

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01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 5: I guess it's seven. So I think like three of

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01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 5: those wins are in the month of September as well,

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01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:27,240
Speaker 5: which I think you can get a little wonky there

1814
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:32,080
Speaker 5: and kind of defining, you know, who truly is whatever quality.

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01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,760
Speaker 5: But seven and twenty two against teams above five hundred.

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01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:38,280
Speaker 4: Again, I don't even know what to say to that.

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01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 4: I can't.

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01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 3: I say this I said at the very beginning of

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01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 3: the show, I said at the last hour. I'll say

1820
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 3: it again today. I really like Chris Ballard as a

1821
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 3: human being.

1822
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:50,559
Speaker 4: I like him. I root for him as a person.

1823
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:55,760
Speaker 4: I root for him. But professionally there's been hits. There's

1824
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 4: no question he's done some good things.

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01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:59,360
Speaker 3: But for the most part, you've missed on the two

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01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 3: most important aspects in the National Football League. You've not

1827
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 3: been able to find a consistent difference making quarterback, and you,

1828
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:12,679
Speaker 3: despite all of the investment and the many many swings

1829
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:17,559
Speaker 3: at it, you cannot find enough defensive pressure to ever

1830
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 3: make a difference in a football game.

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01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I would talk it up to how

1832
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 7: I felt about Matt Naggi with the Bears. He could

1833
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 7: be a great neighbor. I would love to have him

1834
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 7: as my neighbor, have a beer with him. I don't

1835
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 7: want him to be my football coach. I don't want

1836
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 7: that anymore.

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01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:33,560
Speaker 3: And I think Shane Steichen's probably a fantastic offensive coordinator.

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01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 4: I don't see him as a head coach let's.

1839
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 5: Crack a beer, let's talk long care.

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01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 7: I don't want to be breaking down x's and o's

1841
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:40,679
Speaker 7: of your scheme on Sundays.

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01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:42,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, Jeff, I go back to one of you and

1843
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 5: James's first shows back with us, you know, in February

1844
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 5: at the Combine, when we had Chris on and you know,

1845
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 5: we pose the question to him of why do you

1846
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 5: feel like you're getting a ninth year or what do

1847
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 5: you feel like your greatest accomplishment is as a GM

1848
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 5: And you hear those answers, and I don't know, Mark,

1849
01:24:57,280 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 5: while you're digging through the audio, maybe at some point

1850
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:01,639
Speaker 5: this week we should go back and play those answers.

1851
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:04,720
Speaker 5: Those answers I thought were just really eye opening and

1852
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:07,759
Speaker 5: just the explanation of well, you know, basically, Jim Mersey

1853
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:10,559
Speaker 5: committed to a rebuild back in twenty twenty three. Well

1854
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 5: now here we are going what four years into the rebuild,

1855
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:16,120
Speaker 5: and the core of that rebuild, Anthony Richardson, looks like

1856
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 5: a bust. That to me is really hard to justify,

1857
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 5: really hard to justify. And I'm going to go back

1858
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 5: to that Joe Flacco quote that I read to start

1859
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:29,720
Speaker 5: off the show. I think it's worth mentioning again. You know,

1860
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 5: at the end of last season, Flacco obviously here was

1861
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 5: asked about, you know, how close the Colts are, and

1862
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:37,600
Speaker 5: it was funny. If I remember correctly, I believe the

1863
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 5: question was asked kind of in a leading way, you know,

1864
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 5: trying to say, hey, you guys are really close. I mean,

1865
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:45,639
Speaker 5: look at it, eight nine and you know your playoff

1866
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 5: hopes what I guess they ended in New York, I

1867
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:52,320
Speaker 5: think two weeks earlier, and the division hopes ended in Denver,

1868
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:53,920
Speaker 5: maybe a few weeks before that, so I don't know

1869
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:56,360
Speaker 5: how close they were, but nonetheless, the question was asked,

1870
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:58,759
Speaker 5: you know, hey, you guys are right there, and Flacco

1871
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 5: said this, He goes and I quote, when you're eight nine,

1872
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 5: there's probably a ton of spots where you could look

1873
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:05,679
Speaker 5: and convince yourself that we're almost there. I don't necessarily

1874
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:07,639
Speaker 5: think that's the right mindset. I don't think we should

1875
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:09,800
Speaker 5: be trying to trick ourselves into thinking we're almost there.

1876
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 5: I think we should acknowledge, yeah, we are almost there,

1877
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 5: but we're not there. I think when you acknowledge that,

1878
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:16,640
Speaker 5: you free yourself up to get better and take the

1879
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 5: next step. That quote very similar to Pascal Siakam when

1880
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 5: the Pacers got to the Eastern Conference Finals three years ago.

1881
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:31,599
Speaker 5: Those are past Super Bowl NBA champions coming from different

1882
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:36,639
Speaker 5: cultures into this city, those franchises that had recently been

1883
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 5: on runs of losing. And I think both those words

1884
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 5: are very profound. Face reality, don't run and hide and

1885
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 5: be stubborn, embrace change that. To me, those are very

1886
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 5: healthy things. Like I hear all this, well, the grass

1887
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 5: isn't always greener, I'd argue the grass is pretty damn

1888
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 5: brown right now. Eleven years without a division title, eight

1889
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 5: years without a playoff win, those five years without a

1890
01:26:58,040 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 5: playoff appearance.

1891
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:01,639
Speaker 4: Those are weeds popping up in the Kevin Bowen's lawn

1892
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 4: on July eighth.

1893
01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:05,719
Speaker 5: I don't know what it is. That's a brown, brown

1894
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:09,600
Speaker 5: looking lawn. Sometimes taking a healthy step back. Ask the

1895
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 5: Pacers you don't think taking a step back all of

1896
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:17,000
Speaker 5: a sudden benefited them and making run to Game seven.

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01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:19,919
Speaker 3: I will point out your patient's got you an incredible

1898
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 3: wife and family though, right, despite the middle school and

1899
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 3: high school dating issues, you ended up pretty well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah right, I'll nod in my head and I guess

1901
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:33,600
Speaker 5: agreement on that.

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01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 3: Coming up at a moment, we'll switch gears for a moment.

1903
01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 3: We'll talk I YOU football and i U basketball. Scott

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01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:42,320
Speaker 3: Dolson is the athletic director for Indiana University.

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01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 4: He joins us next at ninety three five and won

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01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:48,360
Speaker 4: a seven to five to the fan Kevin Bowe.

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01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:51,600
Speaker 3: With all the angst and upset we're displaying over the

1908
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:55,719
Speaker 3: Indianapolis Colts, their failure to reach the playoffs again, decision

1909
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:58,519
Speaker 3: to bring everything back and run it back one more time.

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01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 4: We'll talk about that all day long. Let's let a

1911
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 4: little sunshine into the studio, Shall we.

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Speaker 3: A little sunshine into the live of sports fans here?

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01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 4: As Indiana University is fourteen and zero on the football

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01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:10,240
Speaker 4: field right now.

1915
01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:13,600
Speaker 3: They got a big win in conference in basketball yesterday.

1916
01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:16,360
Speaker 3: They are cleaning up in the portal right now. All

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01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 3: things good coming out of Bloomington right now. And that's

1918
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 3: why we thought we'd check in with Scott Dowlson, the

1919
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:23,719
Speaker 3: athletic director for the Hoosiers, this morning, and he joined

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01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 3: us on the pay Less Lookers hotline right now. Good morning, Scott,

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01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:29,120
Speaker 3: things are going okay in your neck of the woods.

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01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 4: How much fun are you having right now?

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Speaker 10: Well, good morning, and thanks for having me on and yeah,

1924
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 10: it's been it's been great. Obviously, you know, a lot

1925
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 10: more work to do and a lot of stuff going

1926
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:43,599
Speaker 10: on on just today that keeps us busy, but it's

1927
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:46,600
Speaker 10: been awesome. It can be better. Fans have been incredible.

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01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:50,080
Speaker 5: Scott, congrats and most importantly for us, thank you for

1929
01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:52,680
Speaker 5: the time. I know you're a super super busy individual. No,

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01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:55,680
Speaker 5: we really appreciate you hopping on. Obviously, we talked with

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01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:57,880
Speaker 5: you after the Oregon game, and now we talk with

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01:28:57,920 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 5: you before the Oregon game. But let's go back to

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Speaker 5: the you mentioned the IU fans. It certainly felt like

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01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 5: Memorial Stadium West out there on TV. When you look

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01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 5: back on everything they transpired on New Year's Day, what

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01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:12,280
Speaker 5: will be maybe your lasting memory of witnessing that game

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01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 5: and that experience in such an iconic venue.

1938
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 10: Yeah, it'll really be two things. It'll definitely be the

1939
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:21,479
Speaker 10: bus ride into the game, believe it or not. You know,

1940
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:24,720
Speaker 10: I'll never forget coming in. There are five busses the

1941
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 10: team Busters. You know, it's a big kind of kind

1942
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:31,479
Speaker 10: of escorted deal you come in. And so I was

1943
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 10: on bus five and as we pull in, as we're

1944
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:38,240
Speaker 10: getting close to the stadium, literally IU fans are lined

1945
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:40,680
Speaker 10: on both sides of the street, and I'm not just

1946
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 10: talking about just single line, but just deep and just

1947
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:48,759
Speaker 10: fans running up to the street, just cheering, going crazy.

1948
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:51,320
Speaker 10: And then as we pulled up to a stop, there

1949
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:54,200
Speaker 10: were just IU fans everywhere and Who's your Nation was

1950
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:56,200
Speaker 10: just sol it was. It was crazy. They were just

1951
01:29:56,240 --> 01:30:00,360
Speaker 10: screaming and yelling, and as we got off the bus,

1952
01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 10: it was it was just a scene that I just

1953
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 10: will never forget. And actually I talked to one of

1954
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:08,040
Speaker 10: our assistant coaches yesterday and he said the same thing.

1955
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:11,280
Speaker 10: It really gave us momentum going into the game, just

1956
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 10: that that feel of the fans, and so that was

1957
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:15,960
Speaker 10: I'll never forget that. I mean, I've been around for

1958
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:19,400
Speaker 10: a long time, but just seeing just our all of

1959
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 10: our fans, the passion, the support, the energy was unbelievable,

1960
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:26,559
Speaker 10: really and just I can't even adequately describe it. And

1961
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:29,120
Speaker 10: then during the fourth quarter, I was down on the

1962
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:32,439
Speaker 10: sideline and just looking up at the stands and you know,

1963
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 10: they played job Mellen camp hurt so good and the

1964
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:38,720
Speaker 10: whole crowd was just singing it. And that just the

1965
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:42,280
Speaker 10: joy and the emotion out of our fans was we

1966
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:44,200
Speaker 10: took over that stadium. I mean, there had to be

1967
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:47,720
Speaker 10: we were guessing maybe sixty thousand IU fans in the

1968
01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:50,559
Speaker 10: stands and and I don't mean to ramble on it,

1969
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 10: but I just tell you I cannot take our fans enough.

1970
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:55,560
Speaker 10: I mean, it costs a lot of money, you know,

1971
01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:57,800
Speaker 10: a lot of sacrifices that are made to support us.

1972
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:00,519
Speaker 10: And to be out there and show that type of

1973
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:03,400
Speaker 10: support was it was emotional. It was unbelievable.

1974
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:07,440
Speaker 3: It's been an emotional time for anybody connected to Indiana.

1975
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:11,360
Speaker 3: Indiana football fans of the of the program, new fans

1976
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:12,720
Speaker 3: for the program, you name it.

1977
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:14,559
Speaker 4: Here's the question.

1978
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:18,320
Speaker 3: I keep thinking, though you've hired and had to fire

1979
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:21,760
Speaker 3: coaches over the years, we see it happen at programs

1980
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 3: every year all the time.

1981
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:25,879
Speaker 4: Honestly, when you deep.

1982
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:28,599
Speaker 3: Down think about it, what was the moment you said

1983
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:33,479
Speaker 3: to yourself, kurtz Agnatty, this guy's different. There's something different

1984
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:36,360
Speaker 3: happening here. It's not a hope that I hope he's different.

1985
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:39,200
Speaker 3: When did you know this guy's different.

1986
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:42,839
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think there's just a couple of moments, honestly.

1987
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:45,439
Speaker 10: I mean, I I've talked about this before the first

1988
01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:47,680
Speaker 10: time I talked him on the phone. You know, we've

1989
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:49,719
Speaker 10: done our homework, we had, you know, a whole plan

1990
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:52,240
Speaker 10: put together and check on the boxes. We're just talking

1991
01:31:52,240 --> 01:31:55,240
Speaker 10: to them on the phone. I do remember hanging up

1992
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:58,480
Speaker 10: and calling our president, President Witt and who's been amazing,

1993
01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:01,400
Speaker 10: and just saying, Hey, this guys different. I just had

1994
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 10: a feeling.

1995
01:32:02,120 --> 01:32:05,840
Speaker 11: I just really liked him and liked the just authenticity

1996
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:09,400
Speaker 11: about him, and so I definitely remember at that point

1997
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 11: and then when this is really interesting, but when we

1998
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:16,160
Speaker 11: picked him up at the airport, so when we named.

1999
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:18,280
Speaker 10: Him coach or everybody doing to be coached, and the

2000
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 10: press conference on that Friday. I flew out early that

2001
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:26,160
Speaker 10: morning from Bloomington to Virginia to pick him up and

2002
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:29,520
Speaker 10: his wife, the Matt and a few other staff members.

2003
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:33,000
Speaker 10: And when we got on the plane, right away, he

2004
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:34,720
Speaker 10: had this list and he was saying, hey, you know,

2005
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:37,880
Speaker 10: we need to get a list of when all the

2006
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 10: current coaches are on the staff right now, to rank

2007
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:43,639
Speaker 10: our players one through fifty, our returning players one through fifty,

2008
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:46,040
Speaker 10: and then I need somebody to take all those rankings

2009
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:49,400
Speaker 10: and tabulate them together and get an average, so I

2010
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 10: know who what the average rank is and all the

2011
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:55,559
Speaker 10: returning players, and I remember sitting there, he's going through

2012
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:57,360
Speaker 10: this list. It was really calm, but you had this

2013
01:32:57,479 --> 01:33:01,040
Speaker 10: plan and weren't thinking how marked that was, and just

2014
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:04,080
Speaker 10: how he absolutely you know, you say you want to

2015
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:06,799
Speaker 10: hit the ground running. He had a plan for everything.

2016
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:09,040
Speaker 10: And I remember thinking on the plane coming back to

2017
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:12,360
Speaker 10: Bloomington to get off to start that day, the famous

2018
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:16,000
Speaker 10: day that ended with him on the basketball court, you know,

2019
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:19,400
Speaker 10: when we introduced him to the fans. But just the plan,

2020
01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:21,280
Speaker 10: I thought, Wow, because I've been around a long time,

2021
01:33:21,320 --> 01:33:23,880
Speaker 10: it's seen a lot of transition. He just had everything

2022
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:27,040
Speaker 10: lined up in a way that was just super smart.

2023
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:28,599
Speaker 10: And then I'll say one last thing, and I don't

2024
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:32,200
Speaker 10: mean the ramblot, but when we played at UCLA last

2025
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 10: year and again big game for us, kind of his

2026
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:37,960
Speaker 10: first big game. And I remember during the game it

2027
01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:39,519
Speaker 10: was back and forth a little bit, and then we

2028
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:41,479
Speaker 10: just kind of took over it towards the end and

2029
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:43,960
Speaker 10: made some plays. And I remember distinctly thinking in my mind,

2030
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:46,679
Speaker 10: this is different. I mean, just the way we handled

2031
01:33:46,680 --> 01:33:50,120
Speaker 10: our business, the way we kind of finished that game.

2032
01:33:50,680 --> 01:33:52,920
Speaker 10: So anyway, those are three things that I bring up

2033
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:55,559
Speaker 10: is where I really felt like this was different.

2034
01:33:56,040 --> 01:33:57,479
Speaker 5: It's a voice, so they i'd like director of the

2035
01:33:57,520 --> 01:33:59,799
Speaker 5: number one team in the land. That would be College

2036
01:33:59,800 --> 01:34:01,880
Speaker 5: Full Ball, the semi final coming up in the Peach

2037
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:05,120
Speaker 5: Bowl on Friday night. Scott Dolson with us here on

2038
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:08,120
Speaker 5: the Payless Slickers hotline. As you started, you know, going

2039
01:34:08,160 --> 01:34:09,680
Speaker 5: back to that day one, if you will, of the

2040
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:12,880
Speaker 5: Signetti era, Scott, and you bring up obviously the infamous,

2041
01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:16,200
Speaker 5: you know scene on the basketball floor. It almost seemed

2042
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:18,960
Speaker 5: like that was maybe not something on Signette's list when

2043
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:21,200
Speaker 5: he hopped on that plane, Like you know, over the

2044
01:34:21,240 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 5: course of the day, I think he shared this story.

2045
01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 5: He kind of got a little wind of like, oh boy,

2046
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:28,040
Speaker 5: I need to come in here. And you know, I've

2047
01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:30,880
Speaker 5: compared it to Will Smith and Hitch. I don't know

2048
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:33,439
Speaker 5: if that lands totally well, but you know, I need

2049
01:34:33,479 --> 01:34:35,840
Speaker 5: to make sure that people realize I am a new

2050
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:39,920
Speaker 5: voice here. I guess what were your reactions when he

2051
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,240
Speaker 5: did take the mic and he did go a little

2052
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:46,680
Speaker 5: WWE on the entire fan base and really probably the

2053
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:47,840
Speaker 5: entire college football nation.

2054
01:34:49,479 --> 01:34:52,160
Speaker 10: You know, honestly, I liked it. I mean I liked

2055
01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:54,240
Speaker 10: the fact that he was just just putting it out

2056
01:34:54,240 --> 01:34:56,880
Speaker 10: there that it's a new day. And I remember him saying,

2057
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:58,920
Speaker 10: you know, specifically, you know, I've never taking a back

2058
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:03,160
Speaker 10: teacher when plans started doing it now, and you know,

2059
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:05,880
Speaker 10: he it was just a pure emotion that that that

2060
01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:08,400
Speaker 10: was coming out by him. And I tell people this

2061
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:10,880
Speaker 10: all the time about him, which people kind of wrote

2062
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:13,599
Speaker 10: a project. I think, I'm just saying it. He's really

2063
01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:16,640
Speaker 10: a humble guy. He's got no ego. He doesn't and

2064
01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:18,599
Speaker 10: people will be like, oh, you know, I see how

2065
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:21,400
Speaker 10: he is. He's cocky, he's not. He believes he knows

2066
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:24,519
Speaker 10: how to win, for sure. He's actually you know, he's

2067
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:28,639
Speaker 10: shown it. But he basically he said this during his interview,

2068
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:31,000
Speaker 10: and everything he said during his interview, he's really been

2069
01:35:31,439 --> 01:35:33,680
Speaker 10: absolutely one hundred percent then on and how he is

2070
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:37,000
Speaker 10: and what he does. He just loved his family and

2071
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:39,559
Speaker 10: loves the coach football, and he believes he knows how

2072
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:42,160
Speaker 10: to win. And he's just very very authentic. But in

2073
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 10: terms of like me, just even his athletic director dealt

2074
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:47,560
Speaker 10: with a lot of coaches and I've never dealt with

2075
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:50,120
Speaker 10: anyone any any better. I mean, he's just great to

2076
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:53,000
Speaker 10: work with. He's very uh, like I said, he's kind

2077
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:56,800
Speaker 10: of he's just a simple person to be honest with you.

2078
01:35:56,960 --> 01:35:58,720
Speaker 10: And but but I think that back to the on

2079
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:01,639
Speaker 10: the court when he was saying at he did feel

2080
01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:04,160
Speaker 10: like this kind of hey, I've got to wake people

2081
01:36:04,280 --> 01:36:07,240
Speaker 10: up here. Do they really want to? I think they

2082
01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:09,559
Speaker 10: had frustrated him that it felt like people were saying

2083
01:36:10,120 --> 01:36:12,280
Speaker 10: to him, Wow, you know, good luck, you know you

2084
01:36:12,360 --> 01:36:14,360
Speaker 10: took that job, and it kind of made him mad.

2085
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:16,160
Speaker 10: And that's when he said the Google me I win.

2086
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:18,639
Speaker 10: It was the same thing. He's in the press conference

2087
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:20,680
Speaker 10: and people just kept saying, how in the world do

2088
01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:22,600
Speaker 10: you get to Indiana? What are you going to do?

2089
01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:24,960
Speaker 10: And he says, I got the same question, you know,

2090
01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:28,800
Speaker 10: six times, and finally it's like just it just frustrated.

2091
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:30,720
Speaker 10: I mean, of course we can win here. And so

2092
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 10: it's great that he was able to convey that and

2093
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 10: get people's attention that way.

2094
01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:37,840
Speaker 5: Scott at almost every step of the way, whether it's

2095
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:39,920
Speaker 5: the podium of the Rose Bowl, Big Ten title, et cetera,

2096
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:42,600
Speaker 5: et cetera. When Kurtz and he's asked about, you know,

2097
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:45,960
Speaker 5: whatever value football program, he mentions you, he mentions Pam

2098
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:49,280
Speaker 5: Witten and the vision and if we can talk about

2099
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:52,599
Speaker 5: Pam Witten for a second here. When you first met

2100
01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:55,680
Speaker 5: with her, how quickly you know, kennessall State. I don't

2101
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:57,880
Speaker 5: think people necessarily view that maybe in whatever, you know,

2102
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:01,200
Speaker 5: mega college football landscape, but how did you realize that

2103
01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:03,960
Speaker 5: from a president point of view as the landscape of

2104
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:07,439
Speaker 5: college football was just starting to change the very early stages,

2105
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:09,920
Speaker 5: did you realize from her that it was going to

2106
01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:12,240
Speaker 5: be a major investment for you guys as a university.

2107
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:14,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was.

2108
01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:16,920
Speaker 10: It was, you know honestly during that really early in

2109
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:19,760
Speaker 10: that first conversation with her, and it was just so

2110
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:24,000
Speaker 10: impressive because she you know, obviously there's there's she's got

2111
01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:26,519
Speaker 10: a massive job, and there's so many things that are

2112
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:29,639
Speaker 10: that are that are in so many ways more important

2113
01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:32,439
Speaker 10: than athletics. At the same time, she she gets it

2114
01:37:32,479 --> 01:37:35,280
Speaker 10: and she understands what athletics can do for the overall university,

2115
01:37:35,439 --> 01:37:38,280
Speaker 10: the community. And so right away during that first conversation,

2116
01:37:38,479 --> 01:37:41,000
Speaker 10: she said, you know, we're going to be everything we do,

2117
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:42,880
Speaker 10: We're going to we're going to try to be excellent

2118
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:45,839
Speaker 10: and go to the highest levels and that includes football.

2119
01:37:46,280 --> 01:37:48,600
Speaker 10: And you know, we just started a conversation about what

2120
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:51,160
Speaker 10: that look like, what can we do, and she asked

2121
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:53,640
Speaker 10: me to put together their plan to to really get

2122
01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:57,680
Speaker 10: football to a to a consistent level. And without that,

2123
01:37:57,920 --> 01:37:59,799
Speaker 10: you know, I've said this a lot, and I appreciate

2124
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:02,240
Speaker 10: you bringing that up because you know, and she's doing

2125
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:04,800
Speaker 10: so many things around the campus and all of our

2126
01:38:04,840 --> 01:38:09,360
Speaker 10: campuses and really just transformational things for the university. But

2127
01:38:09,479 --> 01:38:12,680
Speaker 10: without that and her really saying to me, hey, I

2128
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:15,920
Speaker 10: support that, let's figure this out. You know, coach said,

2129
01:38:15,920 --> 01:38:18,519
Speaker 10: wouldn't be here, we wouldn't be having this conversation. So

2130
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:21,400
Speaker 10: it does really start with her and her vision, and

2131
01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:26,360
Speaker 10: she just understands, particularly during where we are with college

2132
01:38:26,360 --> 01:38:30,639
Speaker 10: athletics and with conference rey alignment and all the things

2133
01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:33,640
Speaker 10: going on, it was important that, you know, football is

2134
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:37,560
Speaker 10: the foundation of the Big Ten. It's it's you know,

2135
01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:39,600
Speaker 10: doesn't mean that we don't care about the other programs,

2136
01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:41,600
Speaker 10: but you have to be strong in football to be

2137
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:44,519
Speaker 10: a valued member of the Big Ten. So that was

2138
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:46,479
Speaker 10: super important in a lot of ways. So yeah, I

2139
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:48,880
Speaker 10: just can't thank her enough for her support. We would

2140
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:49,479
Speaker 10: not be here.

2141
01:38:49,400 --> 01:38:51,760
Speaker 4: Today, Scott. Let's move to the here and now.

2142
01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:54,719
Speaker 3: Obviously getting ready for a semi final game against Oregon

2143
01:38:55,320 --> 01:38:57,920
Speaker 3: on Friday, night. We've talked about a lot that a

2144
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:02,200
Speaker 3: lot obviously, but now the transfer portal window has opened

2145
01:39:03,120 --> 01:39:05,920
Speaker 3: and we want to talk about building the foundation. It's

2146
01:39:05,960 --> 01:39:08,680
Speaker 3: one thing to have a one or two year run

2147
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:11,040
Speaker 3: where you win a lot of football games, but all

2148
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:14,560
Speaker 3: of a sudden, this transfer portal is opening and Indiana's

2149
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:18,000
Speaker 3: getting players that used to just go to Alabama, Georgia,

2150
01:39:18,160 --> 01:39:19,839
Speaker 3: Ohio State, Michigan.

2151
01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:23,320
Speaker 4: Talk to me about the foundation that's.

2152
01:39:23,160 --> 01:39:25,400
Speaker 3: Being laid here for this football program right now, that

2153
01:39:25,479 --> 01:39:27,720
Speaker 3: it's not just a flash in the pan, that this

2154
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:29,840
Speaker 3: has got momentum that will carry forward.

2155
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:31,920
Speaker 4: How do you feel about that and where's that coming from?

2156
01:39:32,960 --> 01:39:35,479
Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, I really think it's back to kind

2157
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:38,240
Speaker 10: of when coaching got here, and he's real process oriented

2158
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:40,759
Speaker 10: on process oriented, and I think we've got the foundation

2159
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:44,360
Speaker 10: in a place for sustaining success. And it doesn't mean

2160
01:39:44,439 --> 01:39:46,160
Speaker 10: we think with the smast people in the room or

2161
01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:48,720
Speaker 10: we're just being complacent because we've got this figured out.

2162
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:50,840
Speaker 10: I think it's just a lot of hard work and

2163
01:39:51,479 --> 01:39:55,080
Speaker 10: really sticking to our plan. And the reality is that

2164
01:39:55,240 --> 01:39:58,200
Speaker 10: results are the results, right, and I think that is

2165
01:39:58,720 --> 01:40:03,240
Speaker 10: recruits see players developed as recruits see the success on

2166
01:40:03,320 --> 01:40:06,280
Speaker 10: the field you know, when you win, kind of everybody wins,

2167
01:40:06,680 --> 01:40:09,839
Speaker 10: and I think that is really you feel that momentum

2168
01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:12,680
Speaker 10: building and it's easy to see it, it's hard to

2169
01:40:12,760 --> 01:40:17,400
Speaker 10: attain it. But we're absolutely paranoid about not not losing

2170
01:40:17,479 --> 01:40:21,599
Speaker 10: that and to continue to absolutely work and just try

2171
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:23,840
Speaker 10: to figure out what's next and look around the corner

2172
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:26,880
Speaker 10: and and again not we think more about what we

2173
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:29,800
Speaker 10: need to do than about what we've done. And it's

2174
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:31,960
Speaker 10: all sounds sort of cliche, and I don't mean for

2175
01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:35,600
Speaker 10: that to sound that way, but you know, it's just

2176
01:40:36,680 --> 01:40:38,519
Speaker 10: it's just a lot of work that it really has

2177
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:40,240
Speaker 10: gone into. So when you look when you see the

2178
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:45,560
Speaker 10: portal results, you know that's really just a continuation of

2179
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:48,240
Speaker 10: of what Coach Sig brought here in terms of this

2180
01:40:48,439 --> 01:40:50,360
Speaker 10: is this is how we run the program, this is

2181
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:53,080
Speaker 10: what we do, This is how we develop young people.

2182
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:55,479
Speaker 10: And we still believe it or not. You know, I

2183
01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:58,120
Speaker 10: had meetings on Saturday with recruiting football recruits were here

2184
01:40:58,280 --> 01:41:00,680
Speaker 10: on the visits, and you know, I talk a ton

2185
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:05,040
Speaker 10: about the whole picture. We talk about academics, we talk

2186
01:41:05,120 --> 01:41:08,040
Speaker 10: about what we do for the whole person. All those

2187
01:41:08,120 --> 01:41:10,280
Speaker 10: things still matter. And I met with one of the

2188
01:41:10,360 --> 01:41:14,320
Speaker 10: parents who was really just relieved that. You know, we

2189
01:41:14,360 --> 01:41:16,400
Speaker 10: don't want this to be transactional. It's not an auction.

2190
01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:18,439
Speaker 10: We're just bringing players in and trying it. If it's

2191
01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:21,519
Speaker 10: a fitting war, then that's not what we're really interested in.

2192
01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:23,599
Speaker 10: We want young men that want to be a part

2193
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:26,479
Speaker 10: of our program to be developed and to have the

2194
01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:29,000
Speaker 10: transformational experience. And that's what it's really all about here.

2195
01:41:29,560 --> 01:41:31,880
Speaker 5: And that's a voice of Scott Nelson, the IU athletic director,

2196
01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:34,519
Speaker 5: gracious with his time here as things will shift to

2197
01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:37,320
Speaker 5: what I assume would be Memorial Stadium South, I remember

2198
01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:39,120
Speaker 5: being the Georgia Dome back in twenty twelve for that

2199
01:41:39,160 --> 01:41:41,559
Speaker 5: Sweet sixteen game. There will be a lot of cream

2200
01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:44,759
Speaker 5: and crimson in Lanta coming up on Friday. But Scott,

2201
01:41:44,840 --> 01:41:47,040
Speaker 5: last one from me, and I apologize if it's kind

2202
01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:50,360
Speaker 5: of a lazy question given your background, But Don Fischer

2203
01:41:50,520 --> 01:41:52,920
Speaker 5: was on our airwaves a couple of weeks back and

2204
01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:55,600
Speaker 5: he mentioned that, you know, when he gets ready to

2205
01:41:55,640 --> 01:41:58,360
Speaker 5: call an EYU football game, he has the feeling right

2206
01:41:58,439 --> 01:42:00,960
Speaker 5: now of what he had for so many years calling

2207
01:42:01,479 --> 01:42:05,120
Speaker 5: Bob Knight basketball games, of we are going to win.

2208
01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:08,720
Speaker 5: Like as simple as that so I ask you, as

2209
01:42:08,960 --> 01:42:11,559
Speaker 5: you know, a former manager of course of coach Night,

2210
01:42:12,439 --> 01:42:17,680
Speaker 5: do you see any similarities between him and Kurt Signetti's Anodalie.

2211
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:21,040
Speaker 10: It's a great question, and I think Fish was exactly right,

2212
01:42:21,160 --> 01:42:24,679
Speaker 10: and I definitely do. I definitely do. And one way

2213
01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:27,040
Speaker 10: I would describe it when I was I was a

2214
01:42:27,080 --> 01:42:29,360
Speaker 10: manager from eighty five to eighty eight. And so one

2215
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:31,639
Speaker 10: of my best friends is Brian Swollan, who's on the team.

2216
01:42:31,720 --> 01:42:34,559
Speaker 10: And I remember Brian and I talking at one point

2217
01:42:34,680 --> 01:42:37,800
Speaker 10: and Brian said that in the locker room, and this

2218
01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:40,040
Speaker 10: is reminiscent thing about the days, and he said, there

2219
01:42:40,160 --> 01:42:42,760
Speaker 10: was never a game ever, it didn't matter who was

2220
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:45,040
Speaker 10: on the other team and how good they were, where

2221
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:46,639
Speaker 10: the other team was ranked. He said, there was never

2222
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:48,640
Speaker 10: ever a game that we didn't feel like we were

2223
01:42:48,680 --> 01:42:51,200
Speaker 10: going to win. We just need to execute the plan.

2224
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:53,320
Speaker 10: And he always felt like we were going to win.

2225
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:56,120
Speaker 10: And so I compare that feeling to where we are

2226
01:42:56,240 --> 01:42:59,200
Speaker 10: right now. There's a confidence, and I feel it with

2227
01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:02,240
Speaker 10: our players felt it really since they got here. It's

2228
01:43:02,360 --> 01:43:05,559
Speaker 10: just amazing that I think they just trust the process,

2229
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:09,320
Speaker 10: they trust the game plan and that whole you know, hey,

2230
01:43:09,360 --> 01:43:12,960
Speaker 10: we're not playing or again, we're playing ourselves. We're playing

2231
01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:16,280
Speaker 10: our game plan. It's an execution challenge. We need to

2232
01:43:16,360 --> 01:43:19,720
Speaker 10: execute better than they execute. And that's really what I

2233
01:43:19,800 --> 01:43:22,080
Speaker 10: grew up with. And what kind of coach Knight, how

2234
01:43:22,160 --> 01:43:27,080
Speaker 10: he uh managed basketball, And so it's a great comparison.

2235
01:43:27,160 --> 01:43:30,760
Speaker 10: There's certainly different sports, but at the same time, I think,

2236
01:43:30,920 --> 01:43:33,760
Speaker 10: you know, great coaching and great preparation is the same

2237
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:36,360
Speaker 10: regards to what you're playing. And so I think that's

2238
01:43:36,720 --> 01:43:39,080
Speaker 10: a great comparison. And I think about that a lot,

2239
01:43:39,160 --> 01:43:40,879
Speaker 10: and I think about it with all of our programs

2240
01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:43,960
Speaker 10: and how to develop a winning mentality and winning program,

2241
01:43:44,160 --> 01:43:45,520
Speaker 10: not just the one hit wonder.

2242
01:43:45,320 --> 01:43:48,960
Speaker 3: With some talent that maybe get together for one year, Scott,

2243
01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:50,880
Speaker 3: last thing for me and then then we'll let you go.

2244
01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:52,880
Speaker 4: And you have been gracious with your time. We appreciate that.

2245
01:43:53,240 --> 01:43:55,479
Speaker 3: What's your early report card so far in coach debrees

2246
01:43:55,520 --> 01:43:56,599
Speaker 3: and how basketball is going.

2247
01:43:57,360 --> 01:44:01,000
Speaker 10: Yeah, he's been great, you know, he's been a great fit.

2248
01:44:01,160 --> 01:44:03,919
Speaker 10: And that's what we really were looking for. It's really twofold.

2249
01:44:03,960 --> 01:44:08,360
Speaker 10: You know. The basketball is obviously super important in establishing

2250
01:44:08,439 --> 01:44:12,000
Speaker 10: our culture and making certain that what we wanted with

2251
01:44:12,439 --> 01:44:15,040
Speaker 10: the coach when we hired. Darren is really someone who

2252
01:44:15,400 --> 01:44:19,120
Speaker 10: has kind of modernized our program, modernized the modern offense

2253
01:44:19,240 --> 01:44:20,920
Speaker 10: that kids want to play with, kind of an old

2254
01:44:20,960 --> 01:44:25,720
Speaker 10: school defensive mentality, play hard, character in the locker, a

2255
01:44:26,240 --> 01:44:28,760
Speaker 10: lot of a lot of qualities. At the same time,

2256
01:44:29,400 --> 01:44:32,400
Speaker 10: Daring is really fit in just in terms of our community,

2257
01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:35,800
Speaker 10: just around the department. He's been a great fit. So

2258
01:44:36,240 --> 01:44:40,360
Speaker 10: I feel like we're building momentum there and again just

2259
01:44:40,520 --> 01:44:43,800
Speaker 10: like for football, and we want to establish a real

2260
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:46,840
Speaker 10: foundation for the program to keep building on every year

2261
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:49,920
Speaker 10: and really confident and the way that's going. And I

2262
01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:51,880
Speaker 10: love working with Darren, and again he's just been a

2263
01:44:51,920 --> 01:44:52,640
Speaker 10: great fit for us.

2264
01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:54,280
Speaker 4: Thanks so much.

2265
01:44:54,320 --> 01:44:57,560
Speaker 3: Scott Dawson, Athletic Director, Indiana University. Great to talk to

2266
01:44:57,600 --> 01:44:58,200
Speaker 3: you this morning.

2267
01:44:58,600 --> 01:45:01,280
Speaker 4: Have fun in Atlanta on Friday night. We'll be there

2268
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:02,080
Speaker 4: with you in spirit.

2269
01:45:02,920 --> 01:45:05,160
Speaker 10: Well, thank you for having me on. And I'll say

2270
01:45:05,160 --> 01:45:07,120
Speaker 10: again just thanks so much for who's your nation for

2271
01:45:07,240 --> 01:45:10,400
Speaker 10: their support, because it is that alignment does include our

2272
01:45:10,439 --> 01:45:13,040
Speaker 10: fans as well. It's everybody, all of us together, I

2273
01:45:13,160 --> 01:45:16,240
Speaker 10: do believe, and you could feel it last week and Pasadena,

2274
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:18,760
Speaker 10: I do you think we can do special things and

2275
01:45:19,520 --> 01:45:21,479
Speaker 10: just all of us kind of pulling together, and our

2276
01:45:21,560 --> 01:45:24,560
Speaker 10: fans have been unbelievable. Just can't thank them not. So

2277
01:45:24,680 --> 01:45:27,120
Speaker 10: let's keep this thing, keep this rolling. Thanks for having

2278
01:45:27,120 --> 01:45:28,240
Speaker 10: me on, guys, I appreciate it.

2279
01:45:28,360 --> 01:45:29,320
Speaker 4: We'll talk to you thanks soon.

2280
01:45:29,920 --> 01:45:33,720
Speaker 3: Thanks Scott Dawson, athletic director down at Indiana University. Man,

2281
01:45:33,800 --> 01:45:36,240
Speaker 3: they've been on a roll because I like what I

2282
01:45:36,360 --> 01:45:38,240
Speaker 3: also like what Dereeze is doing so far.

2283
01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:40,519
Speaker 4: They got a ways to go, obviously, but I like

2284
01:45:40,520 --> 01:45:41,160
Speaker 4: where they're headed.

2285
01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:43,920
Speaker 5: One think watched that game last night. Offensively, I don't

2286
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:46,000
Speaker 5: know exactly you know, what March is going to look

2287
01:45:46,080 --> 01:45:48,439
Speaker 5: like for the basketball team, but I do expect them

2288
01:45:48,479 --> 01:45:50,000
Speaker 5: to pull off some upsets in the Big Ten, just

2289
01:45:50,080 --> 01:45:52,240
Speaker 5: purely with that offense. I mean, they they have so

2290
01:45:52,439 --> 01:45:56,280
Speaker 5: much firepower obviously at Assembly Haul that always kind of

2291
01:45:56,280 --> 01:45:58,640
Speaker 5: speaks to it. But you know, as we start to

2292
01:45:58,760 --> 01:46:01,639
Speaker 5: talk more about Friday night, in that game against Oregon again, Jeff,

2293
01:46:01,640 --> 01:46:03,280
Speaker 5: I'll go back to what I said earlier in the show.

2294
01:46:03,880 --> 01:46:07,360
Speaker 5: You know that game, the first meeting out there. You know,

2295
01:46:07,400 --> 01:46:08,479
Speaker 5: I think there are a lot of people are like, hey,

2296
01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:11,599
Speaker 5: it's hard to beat a team twice. You know, I'm

2297
01:46:11,680 --> 01:46:14,679
Speaker 5: like Kurtzignetty already saying Organ's got the edge in that department.

2298
01:46:15,080 --> 01:46:19,920
Speaker 5: I didn't think that Oregon all of a sudden, like

2299
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:22,640
Speaker 5: I thought Indiana was the superior football team, and I

2300
01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:24,640
Speaker 5: don't know if the score truly indicated that. I go

2301
01:46:24,760 --> 01:46:26,280
Speaker 5: back to that game, and I think it was the

2302
01:46:26,320 --> 01:46:28,479
Speaker 5: most penalized game of the season for Indiana. I think

2303
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:30,920
Speaker 5: that road environment, which will not be the case of

2304
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:33,680
Speaker 5: anything Indiana, will create more of a road environment for

2305
01:46:33,760 --> 01:46:35,760
Speaker 5: Oregon coming up on Friday night. I think that road

2306
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:39,120
Speaker 5: environment got to Indiana at times from a penalty standpoint.

2307
01:46:39,479 --> 01:46:41,519
Speaker 5: And again, that was still early in the year where

2308
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:45,760
Speaker 5: Charlie Becker was not Charlie b from Tennessee and right now,

2309
01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:47,880
Speaker 5: and you saw it in one of the bigger plays

2310
01:46:47,880 --> 01:46:49,400
Speaker 5: of that Alabama game, and it was still in doubt

2311
01:46:49,439 --> 01:46:51,320
Speaker 5: early on on that third and whatever it was third

2312
01:46:51,360 --> 01:46:54,680
Speaker 5: and nine there on the first touchdown, having him as

2313
01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:59,519
Speaker 5: your third white out right now, Like Oregon's got some dudes. Obviously,

2314
01:46:59,640 --> 01:47:02,920
Speaker 5: Oregon's got some corners, and Okay, so if Omar Cooper

2315
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:06,920
Speaker 5: Junior has a quiet game or whatever, then boom, you've

2316
01:47:06,920 --> 01:47:10,320
Speaker 5: got another guy there. So I'm really confident in Indiana

2317
01:47:10,479 --> 01:47:12,640
Speaker 5: coming up on Friday night, and I do think they

2318
01:47:12,760 --> 01:47:14,479
Speaker 5: benefit from a little bit of the reality of these

2319
01:47:14,479 --> 01:47:19,240
Speaker 5: other playoff teams. Staff retention. What Pam Whitten and Scott

2320
01:47:19,400 --> 01:47:22,880
Speaker 5: Dolson and Indiana has put into making sure their assistants

2321
01:47:23,040 --> 01:47:27,480
Speaker 5: want to stay there cannot be overlooked because their coordinators

2322
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:31,400
Speaker 5: aren't flirting with anybody else. They're staying there. Where's Oregon's

2323
01:47:31,439 --> 01:47:34,160
Speaker 5: oc He's spent the weekend in Lexington because he's the

2324
01:47:34,200 --> 01:47:37,439
Speaker 5: head football coach at Kentucky worrying about the portal? Where's

2325
01:47:37,439 --> 01:47:40,439
Speaker 5: their defensive coordinator? He spent the weekend at Cal because

2326
01:47:40,479 --> 01:47:42,920
Speaker 5: he's the new Cal Berkeley coach. They're still play calling

2327
01:47:43,080 --> 01:47:46,120
Speaker 5: in their playoff games, but their minds are elsewhere. And

2328
01:47:46,280 --> 01:47:48,400
Speaker 5: if you're a first time AD coach, your mind is

2329
01:47:48,520 --> 01:47:50,960
Speaker 5: racing with the portal, like I would be spending more

2330
01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:52,760
Speaker 5: time about wait a minute, who are we getting there?

2331
01:47:53,160 --> 01:47:56,320
Speaker 5: Versus the play louis we get of a playoff team.

2332
01:47:56,360 --> 01:47:59,160
Speaker 5: I think that is major advantage to Indiana as well.

2333
01:47:59,200 --> 01:48:00,160
Speaker 5: On Friday, before we.

2334
01:48:00,240 --> 01:48:01,479
Speaker 3: Check it down, I want to point out one thing

2335
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:04,479
Speaker 3: about Indiana because I've heard this. You know, fine Bomb

2336
01:48:04,600 --> 01:48:06,400
Speaker 3: was one of these guys. Other people are saying, well,

2337
01:48:06,520 --> 01:48:08,960
Speaker 3: still don't quite believe in Indiana this that. The other

2338
01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:13,200
Speaker 3: thing I'm just going to point out, Indiana is three

2339
01:48:13,280 --> 01:48:16,920
Speaker 3: and oh against teams that made the college football Playoff

2340
01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:20,600
Speaker 3: this year. They have beaten Ohio State who got in,

2341
01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:23,960
Speaker 3: they have beaten Alabama who got in, and they've already

2342
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:27,120
Speaker 3: beaten Oregon who's gotten in. If they win, they will

2343
01:48:27,160 --> 01:48:29,880
Speaker 3: be four and oh against teams who made the college

2344
01:48:29,880 --> 01:48:31,639
Speaker 3: football Playoff. The other thing I want to point out

2345
01:48:31,640 --> 01:48:33,680
Speaker 3: about the road win at Oregon where people kind of

2346
01:48:33,720 --> 01:48:36,439
Speaker 3: dismissed that a little bit here whatever. They won by

2347
01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:38,200
Speaker 3: ten points in a game that they gave up a

2348
01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:39,760
Speaker 3: pick six Kevin on the road.

2349
01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:42,800
Speaker 5: One thing to point out two about those three wins,

2350
01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:45,800
Speaker 5: none of them at home. Yeah, you know, Bama neutral field,

2351
01:48:45,800 --> 01:48:48,200
Speaker 5: Ohio State neutral field. And now granted, the Indian fan

2352
01:48:48,240 --> 01:48:50,640
Speaker 5: base obviously took over Lucas Oil and took over the

2353
01:48:50,720 --> 01:48:53,720
Speaker 5: Rose Bowl, but obviously at Oregon so adds to it.

2354
01:48:53,880 --> 01:48:57,360
Speaker 5: So yeah, I like in Indiana, Miami National title game

2355
01:48:57,800 --> 01:48:59,880
Speaker 5: coming up? What is that mark? Two weeks from tonight?

2356
01:49:00,160 --> 01:49:01,360
Speaker 7: All right, that's about right.

2357
01:49:01,560 --> 01:49:03,120
Speaker 5: Thank you forgetting Scott Dolson, by the way.

2358
01:49:03,040 --> 01:49:05,280
Speaker 4: My problem. Good job out of you. Look, yeah, I'm

2359
01:49:05,280 --> 01:49:06,880
Speaker 4: going to keep you for another year. How about that? Yes,

2360
01:49:07,439 --> 01:49:07,960
Speaker 4: you heard that.

2361
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:11,040
Speaker 7: It's on the record. Cannot be stricken.

2362
01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:15,760
Speaker 5: Just sending to fifty sixth Street and now downtown Indianapolis.

2363
01:49:15,800 --> 01:49:18,839
Speaker 3: Stay stay away from those sins that get you automatically ejected.

2364
01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:21,679
Speaker 4: Okay, that's all I'm asking. I will do that. Let's

2365
01:49:21,800 --> 01:49:22,599
Speaker 4: check it down.

2366
01:49:25,280 --> 01:49:28,439
Speaker 1: The morning, checkdown on ninety three five and one oh

2367
01:49:28,560 --> 01:49:29,400
Speaker 1: seven five.

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01:49:29,280 --> 01:49:31,080
Speaker 3: The f All right, we'll be quick so we can

2369
01:49:31,080 --> 01:49:33,000
Speaker 3: get back to your comments on the Colts coming up

2370
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:35,040
Speaker 3: in a few minutes here. But the Colts lose their

2371
01:49:35,160 --> 01:49:37,920
Speaker 3: season finale to the Texans thirty eight to thirty on Sunday,

2372
01:49:38,479 --> 01:49:41,280
Speaker 3: then shortly after announced that they'll be keeping Chris Ballard

2373
01:49:41,720 --> 01:49:45,479
Speaker 3: and Shane Steichen after you had another season of no

2374
01:49:45,640 --> 01:49:47,080
Speaker 3: playoffs and a losing record.

2375
01:49:47,160 --> 01:49:52,680
Speaker 5: Devin Bowen, the acceptance of mediocrity, the stench of acceptance.

2376
01:49:52,680 --> 01:49:54,040
Speaker 5: I guess if you want to label it as that,

2377
01:49:54,439 --> 01:49:57,679
Speaker 5: it continues here. So yeah, no matter how you slice it, well,

2378
01:49:57,760 --> 01:50:00,320
Speaker 5: I would disagree. I'm not surprised. This is what we're

2379
01:50:00,360 --> 01:50:01,880
Speaker 5: used to par for the course of how things have

2380
01:50:01,960 --> 01:50:04,800
Speaker 5: operated there over What's fifty sixth Street and just to

2381
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:08,080
Speaker 5: reiterate everything, it is five years out of playoff appearance.

2382
01:50:08,200 --> 01:50:11,360
Speaker 5: That's the third longest streak in the entire NFL. Currently,

2383
01:50:11,479 --> 01:50:14,040
Speaker 5: it's eight years without a playoff win, and it is

2384
01:50:14,160 --> 01:50:18,120
Speaker 5: eleven years without a division title. Can I interest you.

2385
01:50:18,200 --> 01:50:23,360
Speaker 4: In three micro wins from yesterday? Sure? Yeah, all right,

2386
01:50:23,479 --> 01:50:25,479
Speaker 4: Riley Leonard, I thought was pretty good.

2387
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:27,759
Speaker 3: Twenty one to thirty four, two out of seventy yards,

2388
01:50:28,040 --> 01:50:31,559
Speaker 3: two touchdowns, passing, one rushing, did throw the one interception,

2389
01:50:32,360 --> 01:50:34,320
Speaker 3: But I thought he looked mobile. I thought his arm

2390
01:50:34,520 --> 01:50:37,600
Speaker 3: not only showed the ability to throw it downfield to

2391
01:50:37,640 --> 01:50:39,360
Speaker 3: Alec Pears on a couple of occasions, but I thought

2392
01:50:39,400 --> 01:50:41,840
Speaker 3: he had three or four really nice touch passes yesterday.

2393
01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:43,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would agree, I thought, and again that right

2394
01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:46,679
Speaker 5: arm delivering consistently from the pocket is probably the biggest question.

2395
01:50:46,840 --> 01:50:48,559
Speaker 5: So you know, I don't want to throw brock perty

2396
01:50:48,680 --> 01:50:52,840
Speaker 5: label on him, but could he be your guy in

2397
01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:55,080
Speaker 5: September next year for a couple of games, if Daniel

2398
01:50:55,160 --> 01:50:59,120
Speaker 5: Jones is still rehabbing, could he be your long term backup?

2399
01:50:59,520 --> 01:51:01,760
Speaker 5: Like those questions that are important. Daniel Jones is a

2400
01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:04,800
Speaker 5: long injury history, so the backup is going to matter

2401
01:51:04,800 --> 01:51:07,240
Speaker 5: a whole lot we saw this season potentially, you know,

2402
01:51:07,280 --> 01:51:10,360
Speaker 5: could have changed the whole trajectory of things. So I

2403
01:51:10,400 --> 01:51:13,160
Speaker 5: think Riley Leonard gives you some optimism heading in the

2404
01:51:13,200 --> 01:51:14,240
Speaker 5: off season in those areas.

2405
01:51:14,320 --> 01:51:17,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the second ray of sunshine Alec Pierce, no

2406
01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:19,599
Speaker 4: doubt about it. He is a number one wide receiving

2407
01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:20,040
Speaker 4: in the NFL?

2408
01:51:20,160 --> 01:51:20,439
Speaker 10: Is he not?

2409
01:51:20,520 --> 01:51:24,080
Speaker 3: And whether he's getting loose and getting wide open downfield

2410
01:51:24,320 --> 01:51:27,320
Speaker 3: or just making contested catches and coming down with.

2411
01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:29,800
Speaker 4: It again and again and again. What is he not

2412
01:51:29,960 --> 01:51:31,240
Speaker 4: doing that any number one does?

2413
01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:33,799
Speaker 5: Was the ray of sunshine in between him and the official?

2414
01:51:34,439 --> 01:51:36,960
Speaker 5: Was there not enough room for the ray of suntime?

2415
01:51:37,160 --> 01:51:37,880
Speaker 7: That's all it takes.

2416
01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:40,320
Speaker 5: The Catholic schools do they say make room for Jesus

2417
01:51:40,680 --> 01:51:41,280
Speaker 5: at the dances?

2418
01:51:41,360 --> 01:51:42,720
Speaker 4: I wonder if that here's my theory.

2419
01:51:42,760 --> 01:51:44,320
Speaker 3: I wonder if that official is moving on to the

2420
01:51:44,360 --> 01:51:46,559
Speaker 3: playoffs and getting an assignments, maybe he was just angry

2421
01:51:46,600 --> 01:51:47,479
Speaker 3: and took it out on somebody.

2422
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:49,240
Speaker 5: Hey, if you're Alec Pierce, start the shower a little

2423
01:51:49,240 --> 01:51:51,479
Speaker 5: earlier and count your money in that shower a little earlier,

2424
01:51:51,560 --> 01:51:54,760
Speaker 5: because that man is going to get paid handsomely. And

2425
01:51:54,840 --> 01:51:56,679
Speaker 5: if the Colts have any issues in the open market.

2426
01:51:56,800 --> 01:51:58,680
Speaker 5: You slap that franchise tag on him and you don't

2427
01:51:58,680 --> 01:51:59,559
Speaker 5: think twice about it, and.

2428
01:51:59,840 --> 01:52:03,320
Speaker 3: The Folts find themselves a five ninety five pound keeper

2429
01:52:03,400 --> 01:52:03,840
Speaker 3: at kicker.

2430
01:52:04,920 --> 01:52:07,200
Speaker 5: It might be the biggest accomplishment of the cold season.

2431
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:10,360
Speaker 5: I say that half kidding only have serious and that

2432
01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:12,120
Speaker 5: is they have two quality kickers.

2433
01:52:14,240 --> 01:52:16,240
Speaker 7: First half and second half. Right, just trot them out,

2434
01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:18,560
Speaker 7: keep them fresh so that the other team has to

2435
01:52:18,680 --> 01:52:19,720
Speaker 7: game plan for which one?

2436
01:52:19,840 --> 01:52:21,439
Speaker 5: You don't know if it's the five to seven or

2437
01:52:21,520 --> 01:52:22,800
Speaker 5: the six to three censor?

2438
01:52:22,840 --> 01:52:23,800
Speaker 4: Straight? Did I get it?

2439
01:52:23,960 --> 01:52:24,120
Speaker 10: Mark?

2440
01:52:24,160 --> 01:52:26,160
Speaker 4: Did I give him too much height? By the way,

2441
01:52:26,880 --> 01:52:27,840
Speaker 4: you stop there?

2442
01:52:27,920 --> 01:52:31,880
Speaker 5: How great was the fake punt? I liked it? Yeah,

2443
01:52:31,960 --> 01:52:35,200
Speaker 5: about the touch from Rigoberto Sanchez, but.

2444
01:52:35,360 --> 01:52:38,519
Speaker 3: Eighteen let's make it happen, and still couldn't come up

2445
01:52:38,560 --> 01:52:40,320
Speaker 3: with a stop down the stretch when they needed one.

2446
01:52:40,840 --> 01:52:44,080
Speaker 4: That was really the difference in the game yesterday, all right.

2447
01:52:44,200 --> 01:52:47,000
Speaker 3: Also, the Falcons have fired Raheem Morris and general manager

2448
01:52:47,080 --> 01:52:49,840
Speaker 3: Terry Fontineo. Despite winning four straight to finish the season,

2449
01:52:50,120 --> 01:52:51,360
Speaker 3: Pacers lose to Orlando won.

2450
01:52:52,840 --> 01:52:54,040
Speaker 4: Oh we got breaking news.

2451
01:52:54,160 --> 01:52:59,120
Speaker 7: Rounds have fired Kevin Stefanski. You going, that's a guy

2452
01:52:59,120 --> 01:53:01,720
Speaker 7: I wouldn't mind have on a Colt sideline, but they've

2453
01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:02,799
Speaker 7: made decisions already.

2454
01:53:02,920 --> 01:53:05,759
Speaker 3: So that was also from a team where Miles Garrett's

2455
01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:08,160
Speaker 3: at the all time single season record for sas.

2456
01:53:08,040 --> 01:53:08,439
Speaker 4: In a year.

2457
01:53:08,520 --> 01:53:13,040
Speaker 5: It's are opening currently Tennessee, the Giants, the Browns, and

2458
01:53:13,120 --> 01:53:16,200
Speaker 5: the Falcons. Correct, those are four right now. We will

2459
01:53:16,360 --> 01:53:20,360
Speaker 5: wait the Raiders. We'll wait potentially Arizona. I know some

2460
01:53:20,600 --> 01:53:24,200
Speaker 5: have mentioned to John Harball or rumor or two. So

2461
01:53:24,400 --> 01:53:26,439
Speaker 5: we'll see how Black Monday plays out. Don't know if

2462
01:53:26,439 --> 01:53:28,280
Speaker 5: we'll get as much activity as we have in recent years.

2463
01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:32,599
Speaker 3: So if John Harbaugh got fired, maybe they rethink things

2464
01:53:32,680 --> 01:53:34,640
Speaker 3: and hire him here in Indianapolis.

2465
01:53:34,680 --> 01:53:36,439
Speaker 4: I'd take John Harbaugh's ahead coach, wouldn't you?

2466
01:53:37,240 --> 01:53:40,840
Speaker 5: Yes, I would. But there's a better chance, Jeff, I

2467
01:53:40,880 --> 01:53:43,320
Speaker 5: think of me playing a Gusta National tomorrow than the Colts.

2468
01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:44,760
Speaker 5: Freethinking things all right.

2469
01:53:45,240 --> 01:53:48,240
Speaker 3: Pacers lost to Orlando won thirty five one twenty seven yesterday.

2470
01:53:48,240 --> 01:53:50,240
Speaker 4: They have lost twelve games in a row.

2471
01:53:50,640 --> 01:53:53,360
Speaker 3: Benedict Matherin now out for a time with thumb injury

2472
01:53:53,439 --> 01:53:56,599
Speaker 3: that he'd been playing through. They will be home against

2473
01:53:56,640 --> 01:54:00,160
Speaker 3: Cleveland tomorrow night. College basketball Yesterday, Indiana over Washington in

2474
01:54:00,520 --> 01:54:02,960
Speaker 3: ninety to eighty Lamar Wilkerson at twenty two points. Tayton

2475
01:54:03,040 --> 01:54:06,280
Speaker 3: Connorway had twenty first time the Hoosiers played in two

2476
01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:09,000
Speaker 3: weeks as they were working on their game there and

2477
01:54:09,120 --> 01:54:12,160
Speaker 3: also over the weekend you put it out. Purdue has

2478
01:54:12,200 --> 01:54:15,040
Speaker 3: a new all time assist leader in the Big Ten,

2479
01:54:15,320 --> 01:54:16,040
Speaker 3: Grady day Smith.

2480
01:54:16,080 --> 01:54:19,439
Speaker 5: Big Ten has a new all time assist leader Purdue

2481
01:54:19,439 --> 01:54:22,560
Speaker 5: and the Big Ten, Braden Smith. The mice shrow was

2482
01:54:22,760 --> 01:54:24,400
Speaker 5: at it once again at the Cole Center. Not many

2483
01:54:24,439 --> 01:54:27,160
Speaker 5: teams controlled the game like Perdue did for large, large chunks,

2484
01:54:27,200 --> 01:54:30,840
Speaker 5: really entire forty minutes, just damn impressive, Just so fun

2485
01:54:30,920 --> 01:54:33,480
Speaker 5: to watch him. I thought it'd be kind of fitting

2486
01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:36,000
Speaker 5: the little you know dumped to Oscar Cluff there in

2487
01:54:36,080 --> 01:54:37,920
Speaker 5: the lane. That's a pass he's executed to a lot

2488
01:54:37,960 --> 01:54:40,800
Speaker 5: of Purdue big men over the years. So if Purdue

2489
01:54:40,880 --> 01:54:43,800
Speaker 5: can get on another March April run, there is a

2490
01:54:43,920 --> 01:54:46,040
Speaker 5: chance he could get to Bobby Hurley, which is pretty

2491
01:54:46,080 --> 01:54:49,240
Speaker 5: pretty darn crazy to say. There are some you know

2492
01:54:49,440 --> 01:54:51,840
Speaker 5: names above him on that list that you know. Definitely

2493
01:54:51,920 --> 01:54:54,280
Speaker 5: made me think back. I saw ed Coda, one of

2494
01:54:54,320 --> 01:54:56,760
Speaker 5: my favorite players from North Carolina growing up it's on

2495
01:54:56,840 --> 01:54:59,840
Speaker 5: that list. Steve Blake, Gary Payton, a couple of spots

2496
01:55:00,080 --> 01:55:03,480
Speaker 5: head so Braden Smith, Gary Peyton, Garry Payton senior. Yes,

2497
01:55:03,920 --> 01:55:07,160
Speaker 5: so Braden Smith. Unbelievable career and fun to see him

2498
01:55:07,200 --> 01:55:08,400
Speaker 5: get that on Saturday night.

2499
01:55:08,440 --> 01:55:11,960
Speaker 3: All Right, college football portal has opened up in Indiana's

2500
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:14,960
Speaker 3: making inroads. Guys, hoo's yours right now. In the portal

2501
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:17,280
Speaker 3: have picked up TCU quarterback Josh Hoover, who put up

2502
01:55:17,320 --> 01:55:21,800
Speaker 3: some tremendous numbers as the horn Frog's quarterback, Michigan State

2503
01:55:21,840 --> 01:55:25,920
Speaker 3: wide receiver Nick Marsh, Cincinnati safety Jaikwan Sanks, Notre Dame

2504
01:55:25,960 --> 01:55:30,000
Speaker 3: defensive lineman Josh Burnham, Boston College running back Turbo Richard,

2505
01:55:30,400 --> 01:55:35,000
Speaker 3: Kansas State edge Toby OSUINTINMI. And Purdue has also added

2506
01:55:35,040 --> 01:55:37,240
Speaker 3: a couple of junior college All Americans and a running

2507
01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:39,720
Speaker 3: back from Texas by the name of Jered Gibson.

2508
01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:41,840
Speaker 4: So those are some wins in the portal so far.

2509
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:43,880
Speaker 5: Can I say I don't love the portal happening right now?

2510
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:45,560
Speaker 4: I don't like the portal happening. It should happen.

2511
01:55:45,680 --> 01:55:48,560
Speaker 5: If you're out there, Mendoza, how are you viewing this?

2512
01:55:49,400 --> 01:55:51,200
Speaker 4: It's disappointing. It's crushing.

2513
01:55:53,920 --> 01:55:56,040
Speaker 5: Yeah don't. I don't love it. I get that. Oh,

2514
01:55:56,120 --> 01:55:59,760
Speaker 5: we have to have them enrolled for second semester. Yeah,

2515
01:56:00,120 --> 01:56:03,040
Speaker 5: let's not act like a proplem. That's a major deal here.

2516
01:56:03,120 --> 01:56:04,600
Speaker 5: So we need to bump everything up. We need to

2517
01:56:04,600 --> 01:56:07,200
Speaker 5: get college football playoff a little. I'd be content with

2518
01:56:07,280 --> 01:56:09,600
Speaker 5: it being done right now before the NFL playoffs start.

2519
01:56:10,280 --> 01:56:12,680
Speaker 5: Then we move on from the portal. But I think

2520
01:56:12,680 --> 01:56:15,760
Speaker 5: it's kind of awkward. You know Kurtsey ninety's answering questions yesterday. Yeah,

2521
01:56:15,800 --> 01:56:17,040
Speaker 5: some guys that are going to end the portal are

2522
01:56:17,080 --> 01:56:20,400
Speaker 5: going to still practice with us. It's like, damn, you know.

2523
01:56:20,600 --> 01:56:22,480
Speaker 5: If I'm the running back that was up and coming,

2524
01:56:22,560 --> 01:56:24,240
Speaker 5: Now I got a dude named Turbo coming in here.

2525
01:56:24,360 --> 01:56:25,160
Speaker 5: There goes my chance.

2526
01:56:25,640 --> 01:56:27,400
Speaker 4: It is a great name for running back, is it not.

2527
01:56:28,160 --> 01:56:29,560
Speaker 5: Is it Turbo in the birth certificate?

2528
01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:31,600
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's I'm guessing it's probably not

2529
01:56:31,720 --> 01:56:32,800
Speaker 3: Turbo in the birth certificate.

2530
01:56:32,840 --> 01:56:33,640
Speaker 4: That'd be awesome.

2531
01:56:33,680 --> 01:56:37,040
Speaker 5: If it was Turbo diked in over there. Oh my gosh, Brownsburg,

2532
01:56:37,280 --> 01:56:38,640
Speaker 5: it would be even better than they already are.

2533
01:56:38,840 --> 01:56:41,080
Speaker 7: That was on the cut list of the names. A

2534
01:56:41,240 --> 01:56:43,800
Speaker 7: third one uni sex right, I mean you go either

2535
01:56:43,920 --> 01:56:46,040
Speaker 7: or of course absolutely.

2536
01:56:46,040 --> 01:56:46,840
Speaker 4: Coming up in a moment.

2537
01:56:46,960 --> 01:56:49,320
Speaker 3: More of your feedback and look ahead to the day

2538
01:56:49,400 --> 01:56:51,720
Speaker 3: for the Indianapolis Cults that we'll see Carly or say

2539
01:56:51,760 --> 01:56:55,160
Speaker 3: Gordon speak to the media at two thirty. What do

2540
01:56:55,280 --> 01:56:57,800
Speaker 3: you want to hear? What do you think will happen?

2541
01:56:58,160 --> 01:57:00,240
Speaker 3: We'll talk about it next at ninety three five one

2542
01:57:00,240 --> 01:57:03,240
Speaker 3: o seven five The Fan. Good morning, I hope your

2543
01:57:03,280 --> 01:57:05,560
Speaker 3: Monday is going well. It's going pretty well for Chris

2544
01:57:05,600 --> 01:57:07,800
Speaker 3: Ballard and Shane Steichen. They've already been informed that they

2545
01:57:07,880 --> 01:57:11,480
Speaker 3: will be returning in their respective positions to the Indianapolis

2546
01:57:11,520 --> 01:57:15,400
Speaker 3: Cults in twenty twenty six, and carli Ers Gordon will

2547
01:57:15,400 --> 01:57:17,960
Speaker 3: be meeting with the media later today at two thirty.

2548
01:57:18,120 --> 01:57:19,560
Speaker 3: You'll be able to hear that live right here on

2549
01:57:19,680 --> 01:57:21,560
Speaker 3: ninety three five and one o seven five The Fan.

2550
01:57:22,200 --> 01:57:23,600
Speaker 4: What's this going to look like? Sound like?

2551
01:57:23,760 --> 01:57:26,120
Speaker 3: Be like Kevin Bowen and you've been around that building

2552
01:57:26,160 --> 01:57:27,720
Speaker 3: for a long time now. I know we're all getting

2553
01:57:27,760 --> 01:57:30,560
Speaker 3: to know Carliers Gordon a little bit, But what's what's

2554
01:57:30,600 --> 01:57:32,680
Speaker 3: this afternoon likely going to bring us?

2555
01:57:33,400 --> 01:57:33,560
Speaker 4: Well?

2556
01:57:33,640 --> 01:57:36,160
Speaker 5: It's a great question. I hate to cop out, but

2557
01:57:36,360 --> 01:57:38,040
Speaker 5: I don't really know. I mean, we haven't heard from

2558
01:57:38,120 --> 01:57:40,680
Speaker 5: Carli ers Gordon in this setting. There's not many times

2559
01:57:40,680 --> 01:57:43,240
Speaker 5: you've heard from really Jim Mersey in this sort of setting.

2560
01:57:43,280 --> 01:57:43,440
Speaker 1: You know.

2561
01:57:43,480 --> 01:57:47,200
Speaker 5: Again, last year Cult released a letter whatever it was,

2562
01:57:47,320 --> 01:57:49,760
Speaker 5: four or five paragraphs about them all coming back, and

2563
01:57:49,840 --> 01:57:51,880
Speaker 5: that was it. They didn't follow up with any sort

2564
01:57:51,920 --> 01:57:55,760
Speaker 5: of you know, press conference announcing all of it. You know, Ballard,

2565
01:57:55,800 --> 01:57:58,600
Speaker 5: I've always says before, the only Michael Jordan comparison with

2566
01:57:58,680 --> 01:58:00,480
Speaker 5: Ballard is him in a press conference. It's not him

2567
01:58:00,520 --> 01:58:02,920
Speaker 5: as a GM because in press conference he'll fall on

2568
01:58:02,960 --> 01:58:04,920
Speaker 5: the sword. He'll be I mean, he'll be Hollywood like,

2569
01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:08,800
Speaker 5: it'll be outstanding. What he will show in a press

2570
01:58:08,840 --> 01:58:12,080
Speaker 5: conference setting much different than you know, probably Shane Steichen.

2571
01:58:12,200 --> 01:58:16,720
Speaker 5: But so yeah, but you know, again, this team has

2572
01:58:16,800 --> 01:58:21,440
Speaker 5: got some major, major questions, even with the run at back.

2573
01:58:21,480 --> 01:58:24,800
Speaker 5: I saw Nathan Brown from a Star reported it's locker

2574
01:58:24,880 --> 01:58:26,360
Speaker 5: room clean out day. I don't think this is shocking

2575
01:58:26,400 --> 01:58:28,320
Speaker 5: to any of us. But Travarius Ward says he's going

2576
01:58:28,400 --> 01:58:30,400
Speaker 5: to talk with his family about deciding whether he wants

2577
01:58:30,400 --> 01:58:33,200
Speaker 5: to play in twenty twenty six. That's a huge question

2578
01:58:33,520 --> 01:58:36,120
Speaker 5: for next season. So you know, again, you're running it back.

2579
01:58:36,240 --> 01:58:39,800
Speaker 5: And I would argue three of your top five most

2580
01:58:39,800 --> 01:58:43,640
Speaker 5: important players. One is debating retirement after three concussions in

2581
01:58:43,640 --> 01:58:47,880
Speaker 5: a year Mooney, two the Forest Buckner is coming off

2582
01:58:47,920 --> 01:58:50,400
Speaker 5: next surgery at the age of thirty one. And then three,

2583
01:58:50,640 --> 01:58:53,240
Speaker 5: Daniel Jones plays the most important position in sports. He's

2584
01:58:53,280 --> 01:58:54,960
Speaker 5: coming off with torn achilles And I think if you

2585
01:58:55,000 --> 01:58:56,800
Speaker 5: want to get into the nitty gritty with Jones as

2586
01:58:56,800 --> 01:59:00,960
Speaker 5: a quarterback, his movement is so key to him playing

2587
01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:04,600
Speaker 5: that this is not Philip Rivers. His movement is vital

2588
01:59:04,760 --> 01:59:07,360
Speaker 5: to him being the type of quarterback we saw early

2589
01:59:07,440 --> 01:59:10,560
Speaker 5: in the season. So again, those are three big time

2590
01:59:10,640 --> 01:59:14,360
Speaker 5: pieces at very important positions, all dealing with their own

2591
01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:18,760
Speaker 5: individual stories. That's not just say, hey, our guy had

2592
01:59:18,800 --> 01:59:20,800
Speaker 5: a sprained ankle. The final couple weeks of the season,

2593
01:59:20,840 --> 01:59:21,920
Speaker 5: he'll be back and be ready to go.

2594
01:59:22,120 --> 01:59:23,960
Speaker 3: One thing I do want to find out a little

2595
01:59:24,000 --> 01:59:27,680
Speaker 3: bit more from you did a really nice job coming

2596
01:59:27,720 --> 01:59:30,200
Speaker 3: off the bench in relief of Daniel Jones the game

2597
01:59:30,240 --> 01:59:33,240
Speaker 3: that he got hurt yesterday in the first half, when

2598
01:59:33,280 --> 01:59:35,520
Speaker 3: the Texans were still playing their starters and they thought,

2599
01:59:35,640 --> 01:59:37,440
Speaker 3: you know that they needed to win, they pulled everybody

2600
01:59:37,480 --> 01:59:40,080
Speaker 3: when it looked obvious that Jacksonville was going to win.

2601
01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:43,080
Speaker 3: But he played really well against one of the best

2602
01:59:43,120 --> 01:59:47,160
Speaker 3: defenses in the NFL, and I'm just wondering he's clearly

2603
01:59:47,640 --> 01:59:50,760
Speaker 3: earned more opportunities, and maybe he's earned the opportunity to

2604
01:59:50,880 --> 01:59:53,760
Speaker 3: start until Daniel Jones gets back. But I'm just gonna

2605
01:59:53,760 --> 01:59:57,960
Speaker 3: ask this question, what if he plays exactly in the

2606
01:59:58,000 --> 01:59:59,640
Speaker 3: first three or four weeks of the season next year

2607
01:59:59,840 --> 02:00:03,360
Speaker 3: he did yesterday, is he do you start to say, hey,

2608
02:00:03,440 --> 02:00:03,800
Speaker 3: maybe we.

2609
02:00:03,880 --> 02:00:05,120
Speaker 4: Got a guy here. Yeah.

2610
02:00:05,160 --> 02:00:07,040
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I think anytime you have these

2611
02:00:07,120 --> 02:00:09,720
Speaker 5: whatever flash in the pan for a game or two,

2612
02:00:09,840 --> 02:00:12,000
Speaker 5: it's all about, hey, can you string it together when

2613
02:00:12,120 --> 02:00:14,680
Speaker 5: given that opportunity. Again, I'll probably reiterate what I said

2614
02:00:14,760 --> 02:00:17,240
Speaker 5: last segment. I don't want to compare Radley Leonard to

2615
02:00:17,320 --> 02:00:20,000
Speaker 5: Brock Purdy after one game, and you know, if you

2616
02:00:20,080 --> 02:00:22,840
Speaker 5: obviously watch the full game, there were definitely some things

2617
02:00:22,880 --> 02:00:25,120
Speaker 5: he's got to work on, mainly knowing when enough is

2618
02:00:25,240 --> 02:00:27,360
Speaker 5: enough in the pocket. You know, those are some very

2619
02:00:27,440 --> 02:00:31,240
Speaker 5: costly turnovers he did have there, But he also I

2620
02:00:31,400 --> 02:00:34,120
Speaker 5: think checked the box. That is maybe his biggest question

2621
02:00:34,240 --> 02:00:37,520
Speaker 5: mark enter in the NFL. Can you consistently deliver from

2622
02:00:37,560 --> 02:00:40,760
Speaker 5: the pocket. That is the question with Leonard, and I

2623
02:00:40,800 --> 02:00:43,240
Speaker 5: would argue he did that more than anything yesterday, even

2624
02:00:43,280 --> 02:00:45,520
Speaker 5: when the Houston defense was in there, their starting defense

2625
02:00:45,720 --> 02:00:47,560
Speaker 5: was in there, because they polled pretty much all their

2626
02:00:47,640 --> 02:00:50,920
Speaker 5: notables there at halftime. But let's not talk, you know, again,

2627
02:00:50,960 --> 02:00:52,800
Speaker 5: comparing him to Rock Purty or is he the guy

2628
02:00:52,880 --> 02:00:54,520
Speaker 5: for a second. Let's just talk in a little bit

2629
02:00:54,600 --> 02:00:58,680
Speaker 5: smaller goals. Could he keep the ship afloat in September

2630
02:00:58,720 --> 02:01:03,080
Speaker 5: next year? Could he be your long term backup? If

2631
02:01:03,120 --> 02:01:06,440
Speaker 5: he can answer those questions, that's a win with pick

2632
02:01:06,560 --> 02:01:09,200
Speaker 5: number one eighty nine, that is an absolute win. And again,

2633
02:01:09,200 --> 02:01:11,200
Speaker 5: if Daniel Jones is your guy for twenty twenty six,

2634
02:01:11,480 --> 02:01:14,920
Speaker 5: twenty twenty seven and beyond, you need a capable backup

2635
02:01:15,000 --> 02:01:18,160
Speaker 5: Daniel Jones. Unfortunately, the injury history can't be ignored. So

2636
02:01:19,240 --> 02:01:21,480
Speaker 5: you know, Leonard has a lot of coveted traits there.

2637
02:01:21,600 --> 02:01:25,240
Speaker 5: I definitely have questions about him as a consistent thrower,

2638
02:01:25,720 --> 02:01:28,800
Speaker 5: but there are a lot of traits, the arm, the

2639
02:01:28,920 --> 02:01:33,400
Speaker 5: running ability, the really just kind of the leadership and

2640
02:01:33,480 --> 02:01:34,680
Speaker 5: toughness element to it.

2641
02:01:35,880 --> 02:01:38,400
Speaker 4: There are some really nice passes yesterday.

2642
02:01:38,160 --> 02:01:40,480
Speaker 5: Aren't debated at all, but yeah, I thought, you know,

2643
02:01:40,600 --> 02:01:43,280
Speaker 5: not just the uncorking of the home runs, some nice

2644
02:01:43,360 --> 02:01:45,960
Speaker 5: touch pass yeah, second level, like over the you know,

2645
02:01:46,200 --> 02:01:47,920
Speaker 5: the first you know wave there of the zone. Michael

2646
02:01:47,920 --> 02:01:49,600
Speaker 5: Pittman Junior had a big drop on one of them.

2647
02:01:49,640 --> 02:01:51,480
Speaker 5: You know, I thought those were some really nice rows.

2648
02:01:51,640 --> 02:01:51,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2649
02:01:52,240 --> 02:01:54,320
Speaker 3: Let's go back to the h fan text line two three,

2650
02:01:54,440 --> 02:01:57,280
Speaker 3: nine ten seventy case. He says there's no logical reason

2651
02:01:57,400 --> 02:02:01,600
Speaker 3: to retain Ballard. To his credit, he is good talent evaluator. However,

2652
02:02:02,080 --> 02:02:04,680
Speaker 3: two significant things that Ballard lacks of the ability to

2653
02:02:04,840 --> 02:02:09,040
Speaker 3: establish organizational culture from top to bottom and the understanding

2654
02:02:09,080 --> 02:02:12,080
Speaker 3: of how to develop players at all positions that they

2655
02:02:12,120 --> 02:02:15,000
Speaker 3: may exceed their basic talent. Over the last seven years,

2656
02:02:15,320 --> 02:02:17,360
Speaker 3: the only first and second round draft picks to have

2657
02:02:17,480 --> 02:02:21,680
Speaker 3: excelled are Jonathan Taylor and Quinton Nelson. Their best defensive

2658
02:02:21,760 --> 02:02:25,840
Speaker 3: player was developed by another organization, DeForest Buckner. He cried

2659
02:02:25,920 --> 02:02:28,480
Speaker 3: for five years about Andrew Luck retiring. He never solved

2660
02:02:28,480 --> 02:02:31,640
Speaker 3: the quarterback issue. It is absolutely foolish to think that

2661
02:02:31,760 --> 02:02:34,760
Speaker 3: Daniel Jones is the answer. He is directly responsible for

2662
02:02:34,840 --> 02:02:37,800
Speaker 3: the fiasco that was Anthony Richardson. All the experts said

2663
02:02:37,800 --> 02:02:41,280
Speaker 3: he was the most undeveloped first round quarterback ever and

2664
02:02:41,640 --> 02:02:43,560
Speaker 3: would need one or two years before he would be

2665
02:02:43,600 --> 02:02:46,400
Speaker 3: ready to take the field. Despite how raw ulimited he

2666
02:02:46,600 --> 02:02:49,400
Speaker 3: was and only twenty one years old, Ballard forced him

2667
02:02:49,440 --> 02:02:51,840
Speaker 3: on the field over the coach's decision. He was never

2668
02:02:51,960 --> 02:02:55,000
Speaker 3: held accountable for that. Excellent players come out of college

2669
02:02:55,120 --> 02:02:58,040
Speaker 3: every year, but none of them become great NFL players

2670
02:02:58,120 --> 02:03:00,640
Speaker 3: without sustained development during the Paullion era.

2671
02:03:00,920 --> 02:03:03,360
Speaker 4: How many potential Hall of famers did he have? How many?

2672
02:03:03,440 --> 02:03:04,880
Speaker 4: With Ballard? That's case.

2673
02:03:05,520 --> 02:03:07,880
Speaker 3: I read that because it echoes a lot of the

2674
02:03:07,960 --> 02:03:10,240
Speaker 3: things we're getting from a lot of people on the

2675
02:03:10,280 --> 02:03:12,720
Speaker 3: text line this morning, all in one text that kind

2676
02:03:12,760 --> 02:03:14,680
Speaker 3: of encapsulates what people are feeling.

2677
02:03:15,160 --> 02:03:18,080
Speaker 5: Mark. I don't know if tomorrow would be best for it,

2678
02:03:18,320 --> 02:03:21,560
Speaker 5: or even Wednesday, but I do want to legitimately, and

2679
02:03:21,640 --> 02:03:23,640
Speaker 5: I don't know if there are many out there, many

2680
02:03:23,720 --> 02:03:26,120
Speaker 5: that want to hop on the phone lines, but I

2681
02:03:26,200 --> 02:03:29,000
Speaker 5: would like to hear from someone that is team running back,

2682
02:03:30,120 --> 02:03:32,080
Speaker 5: and like, in all seriousness.

2683
02:03:31,720 --> 02:03:33,200
Speaker 4: I haven't seen one on the text line today.

2684
02:03:33,280 --> 02:03:36,240
Speaker 5: View Yeah, I mean whatever, maybe there's a couple, I

2685
02:03:36,280 --> 02:03:40,640
Speaker 5: don't know, text line or YouTube or wherever. Obviously there

2686
02:03:40,680 --> 02:03:43,040
Speaker 5: are many, many, and I think the poll indicated it.

2687
02:03:43,120 --> 02:03:45,440
Speaker 5: I forget what it was, ninety three percent. I believe

2688
02:03:45,520 --> 02:03:47,760
Speaker 5: of the four thousand people that voted in the poll

2689
02:03:47,760 --> 02:03:50,240
Speaker 5: I put up there last week wanted some change. So

2690
02:03:50,320 --> 02:03:52,600
Speaker 5: obviously that doesn't leave a whole lot that are right.

2691
02:03:52,760 --> 02:03:57,400
Speaker 5: But again, who wants running back? And I guess why?

2692
02:03:58,160 --> 02:04:03,320
Speaker 5: And is it just simply do to two months? You

2693
02:04:03,400 --> 02:04:06,720
Speaker 5: know what happened in September in October here.

2694
02:04:07,400 --> 02:04:09,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm curious too. I mean, I'm sure there's somebody

2695
02:04:09,560 --> 02:04:10,880
Speaker 7: out there. There's got to be a couple of people

2696
02:04:10,920 --> 02:04:12,880
Speaker 7: that are like, yeah, I mean we look pretty good

2697
02:04:12,920 --> 02:04:15,640
Speaker 7: as we were healthy and then injuries took an issue

2698
02:04:15,680 --> 02:04:18,600
Speaker 7: and knocked us off. But those people got to be

2699
02:04:18,640 --> 02:04:20,240
Speaker 7: out there. I think they're being a little quiet today

2700
02:04:20,240 --> 02:04:23,360
Speaker 7: because today's kind of everybody's pissed off and everything like that.

2701
02:04:23,560 --> 02:04:26,120
Speaker 7: But curious to see if they show themselves as the

2702
02:04:26,240 --> 02:04:27,000
Speaker 7: week progresses.

2703
02:04:27,160 --> 02:04:29,240
Speaker 5: And again, for those that have missed it, James was

2704
02:04:29,320 --> 02:04:30,720
Speaker 5: with us here the first hour of the show. He

2705
02:04:30,800 --> 02:04:32,360
Speaker 5: had to run up to West fifty sixth Street for

2706
02:04:32,440 --> 02:04:34,600
Speaker 5: locker room clean out. I saw he had a tweet

2707
02:04:34,680 --> 02:04:38,440
Speaker 5: with some more info on to various wards situation, mentioning

2708
02:04:38,560 --> 02:04:42,200
Speaker 5: that again Savarius is debating whether or not he's gonna play.

2709
02:04:42,280 --> 02:04:45,160
Speaker 5: In twenty twenty six, he pointed out, I guess Mooney

2710
02:04:45,240 --> 02:04:48,040
Speaker 5: did in the media scrum that his dad wants him

2711
02:04:48,320 --> 02:04:52,400
Speaker 5: to retire. You know, Moody's been very open, very forthcoming

2712
02:04:52,800 --> 02:04:54,839
Speaker 5: about all of this. Remember when he had the concussion

2713
02:04:54,880 --> 02:04:57,600
Speaker 5: when he ran into Drew Ogletree, he said the symptoms

2714
02:04:57,760 --> 02:05:00,880
Speaker 5: were so bad he considered retirement then, you know, and

2715
02:05:01,640 --> 02:05:03,560
Speaker 5: you know for those that have done you know, maybe

2716
02:05:03,600 --> 02:05:06,480
Speaker 5: not as totally plugged into the full tivarious Mooney Ward story.

2717
02:05:07,120 --> 02:05:09,440
Speaker 5: He just the most tragic thing in the world. He

2718
02:05:09,520 --> 02:05:11,160
Speaker 5: lost his daughter at the age of I think she

2719
02:05:11,280 --> 02:05:13,640
Speaker 5: was right around one year old here in the last

2720
02:05:13,720 --> 02:05:16,240
Speaker 5: like eighteen or twenty four months. So you know, home

2721
02:05:16,320 --> 02:05:22,760
Speaker 5: for him is down more in the New Orleans, Mississippi area. Yeah,

2722
02:05:23,320 --> 02:05:25,600
Speaker 5: I'm kind of at a loss just to imagine him

2723
02:05:25,840 --> 02:05:29,080
Speaker 5: playing football again, to be totally honest with you, I know,

2724
02:05:29,200 --> 02:05:31,800
Speaker 5: he was around the team throughout the last month, even

2725
02:05:31,800 --> 02:05:33,800
Speaker 5: though after he was put on injured reserve. There are

2726
02:05:33,840 --> 02:05:35,840
Speaker 5: many days I'd be kind of scanning the practice field

2727
02:05:36,080 --> 02:05:38,560
Speaker 5: and see him in his walk through jersey. You know,

2728
02:05:38,640 --> 02:05:40,440
Speaker 5: even though he was on injured reserve, you could tell

2729
02:05:40,720 --> 02:05:43,160
Speaker 5: he still wanted to be a part of it, you know,

2730
02:05:43,320 --> 02:05:47,760
Speaker 5: and that sort of capacity. But that's another big, big

2731
02:05:48,040 --> 02:05:51,440
Speaker 5: question to this offseason, and we'll put if he does retire,

2732
02:05:51,480 --> 02:05:54,880
Speaker 5: we'll put even more pressure on you know, Sauce Gardner

2733
02:05:55,000 --> 02:05:58,480
Speaker 5: in that trade, and obviously Justin Wally coming back from

2734
02:05:58,520 --> 02:06:00,520
Speaker 5: his torn acl third round pick on Minnesota.

2735
02:06:00,920 --> 02:06:03,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, some more of your comments. To wrap

2736
02:06:03,520 --> 02:06:05,200
Speaker 3: up the show and also look ahead of the rest

2737
02:06:05,200 --> 02:06:07,040
Speaker 3: of the day, Carlier said. Gordon will speak to the

2738
02:06:07,080 --> 02:06:09,480
Speaker 3: media at two thirty. We'll carry that live here.

2739
02:06:09,320 --> 02:06:11,160
Speaker 4: At ninety three five and one o seven the fan.

2740
02:06:11,240 --> 02:06:13,520
Speaker 3: We'll wrap up the show with some final thoughts next

2741
02:06:14,760 --> 02:06:16,400
Speaker 3: here and not over at West fifty six. Right now,

2742
02:06:16,400 --> 02:06:18,960
Speaker 3: he'd be up out of his seat doing that little thing.

2743
02:06:18,880 --> 02:06:20,680
Speaker 4: That he does when he gets moving there.

2744
02:06:20,680 --> 02:06:22,680
Speaker 7: Well, so he'll be streaming the show on his app

2745
02:06:22,720 --> 02:06:26,000
Speaker 7: when he's doing that. Anyway, Yeah, exactly, Chap is looking

2746
02:06:26,000 --> 02:06:27,000
Speaker 7: at him like, what the hell are you doing.

2747
02:06:27,040 --> 02:06:28,360
Speaker 4: He's in the middle of an interview with one of

2748
02:06:28,360 --> 02:06:29,920
Speaker 4: the players. All of a sudden he just starts aggrooving.

2749
02:06:30,200 --> 02:06:30,880
Speaker 4: That'd be awesome.

2750
02:06:31,480 --> 02:06:33,040
Speaker 3: One of the things we do every Monday, and we

2751
02:06:33,120 --> 02:06:35,240
Speaker 3: put it off today because of all the other news

2752
02:06:35,280 --> 02:06:35,920
Speaker 3: that's been going on.

2753
02:06:36,080 --> 02:06:38,000
Speaker 4: Mark Dyton, you ask.

2754
02:06:37,880 --> 02:06:41,360
Speaker 3: On social media every week for people to give you

2755
02:06:41,520 --> 02:06:44,600
Speaker 3: their headlines and to send us their headlines from the

2756
02:06:44,680 --> 02:06:48,600
Speaker 3: previous Colts game. Obviously, this one game is mired in

2757
02:06:48,680 --> 02:06:51,640
Speaker 3: the context of the greater story of the Indianapolis Cults.

2758
02:06:51,840 --> 02:06:54,360
Speaker 3: But I'm guessing we still have some some winners from yesterday.

2759
02:06:54,480 --> 02:06:59,760
Speaker 4: Correct. I can't read it.

2760
02:07:00,280 --> 02:07:01,040
Speaker 5: There's no words on.

2761
02:07:01,200 --> 02:07:03,200
Speaker 6: I'm Ron Burgundy, and this is what's happening in your

2762
02:07:03,280 --> 02:07:07,720
Speaker 6: world tonight, ripped from the headlines of the do it love.

2763
02:07:08,080 --> 02:07:11,800
Speaker 4: Get post game headlines and things sucks.

2764
02:07:13,360 --> 02:07:16,080
Speaker 7: So, as I have done all season long, after the

2765
02:07:16,160 --> 02:07:18,760
Speaker 7: game goes final, we would give out, you know, post

2766
02:07:18,840 --> 02:07:22,480
Speaker 7: game headlines, give five words or less your evaluation. But

2767
02:07:22,560 --> 02:07:24,480
Speaker 7: I did it a little differently yesterday since it is

2768
02:07:24,560 --> 02:07:28,480
Speaker 7: the postseason headlines. Now the Colt season is over after

2769
02:07:28,520 --> 02:07:30,640
Speaker 7: I lost the Texans. A season that started seven to

2770
02:07:30,720 --> 02:07:33,480
Speaker 7: one ends at eight to nine. Lots of twists and turns,

2771
02:07:33,480 --> 02:07:37,320
Speaker 7: if possible, give your assessment of the season or what

2772
02:07:37,400 --> 02:07:42,400
Speaker 7: you think Slash want to happen now, Brilan chimed in said,

2773
02:07:42,440 --> 02:07:45,400
Speaker 7: Colts fumble season away literally as the way the last

2774
02:07:45,800 --> 02:07:48,800
Speaker 7: play played out there. We had some other ones, lack

2775
02:07:48,880 --> 02:07:52,680
Speaker 7: of depth, spotty draft selection, said Jack Apathy, once again

2776
02:07:52,800 --> 02:07:56,880
Speaker 7: setting in, said Billy slick. Willie. Aaron had a gift

2777
02:07:57,000 --> 02:07:58,920
Speaker 7: that just it was a picture of Chris Ballard smiling,

2778
02:07:59,000 --> 02:08:02,280
Speaker 7: said I lose Google me a take off of the

2779
02:08:02,720 --> 02:08:03,480
Speaker 7: Kurt Signetti.

2780
02:08:04,520 --> 02:08:06,760
Speaker 5: Jason said, can't that go around a little bit here

2781
02:08:06,800 --> 02:08:07,640
Speaker 5: in the last few weeks?

2782
02:08:07,640 --> 02:08:07,960
Speaker 4: Missed that?

2783
02:08:08,280 --> 02:08:13,040
Speaker 7: Uh, Jason said, Lions start kitt and finish. Ryan said,

2784
02:08:13,120 --> 02:08:17,600
Speaker 7: poverty franchise with no hope. Big Glenn said, Thank goodness,

2785
02:08:17,680 --> 02:08:23,120
Speaker 7: it's over mired in mediocrity, said Corey. Why should we

2786
02:08:23,240 --> 02:08:26,720
Speaker 7: carry more? Said Jeremy. Clean house and start over, said Mike.

2787
02:08:26,920 --> 02:08:30,680
Speaker 7: Season of suck, said Holly. And Indie Vince which obviously

2788
02:08:30,720 --> 02:08:33,720
Speaker 7: the news hadn't reached him yet, said Ballard. Hire a realtor.

2789
02:08:34,320 --> 02:08:37,360
Speaker 7: Is he upgrading his house? Maybe once he crossed the

2790
02:08:37,400 --> 02:08:38,960
Speaker 7: threshold of a certain NFL tenure.

2791
02:08:39,000 --> 02:08:40,840
Speaker 5: Think he's got a pretty good home from everything that

2792
02:08:40,920 --> 02:08:45,160
Speaker 5: I've gathered here. So I've gathered what can carlyar say

2793
02:08:45,240 --> 02:08:49,360
Speaker 5: Gordon say today to make fans feel good.

2794
02:08:50,680 --> 02:08:52,200
Speaker 3: She's just gonna have to look at the first eight

2795
02:08:52,240 --> 02:08:54,040
Speaker 3: weeks of the season and say I believe that that

2796
02:08:54,520 --> 02:08:56,280
Speaker 3: is the true identity of this football team.

2797
02:08:56,440 --> 02:08:57,760
Speaker 5: That will make fans feel good.

2798
02:08:57,800 --> 02:08:59,200
Speaker 4: I don't know if that'll make fans feel good, but

2799
02:08:59,240 --> 02:09:00,080
Speaker 4: I don't know whether she can.

2800
02:09:00,040 --> 02:09:02,440
Speaker 5: Anything she can say If she came out and said,

2801
02:09:03,360 --> 02:09:06,480
Speaker 5: must win a division title next year or they're both done,

2802
02:09:06,760 --> 02:09:07,880
Speaker 5: would that make fans feel good?

2803
02:09:07,960 --> 02:09:10,480
Speaker 3: Is that kind of a variation of when Jim Ursay

2804
02:09:10,840 --> 02:09:14,040
Speaker 3: told Chuck Pagano and Ryan Grigson, you guys are tight

2805
02:09:14,080 --> 02:09:14,480
Speaker 3: at the hip.

2806
02:09:14,560 --> 02:09:15,960
Speaker 4: Either get it done or you're both gone.

2807
02:09:16,360 --> 02:09:18,480
Speaker 5: It's kind of wild just because like Pegano and Grigson

2808
02:09:18,520 --> 02:09:21,160
Speaker 5: didn't get along like that was like a big deal.

2809
02:09:21,440 --> 02:09:24,280
Speaker 5: It kind of goes to show you that maybe, just

2810
02:09:24,360 --> 02:09:27,160
Speaker 5: like I don't know how you treat people, for lack

2811
02:09:27,200 --> 02:09:29,480
Speaker 5: of a better phrase, I guess can go a long

2812
02:09:29,520 --> 02:09:31,240
Speaker 5: way in this. I guess answer my own question. I

2813
02:09:31,280 --> 02:09:33,480
Speaker 5: don't know if there's anything Frankly, Carl or say Gordon

2814
02:09:33,480 --> 02:09:39,440
Speaker 5: can say today that would make fans feel whatever happy, reassured, calmed. Obviously,

2815
02:09:39,520 --> 02:09:42,360
Speaker 5: I don't expect her to publicly offer such an ultimatum

2816
02:09:42,480 --> 02:09:48,640
Speaker 5: like that, but you know, I am interested to hear

2817
02:09:48,960 --> 02:09:50,320
Speaker 5: how she approached it. I mean, this is, you know,

2818
02:09:50,480 --> 02:09:53,440
Speaker 5: new for her, it's new for us obviously listening to

2819
02:09:53,600 --> 02:09:58,000
Speaker 5: her in some sort of setting. But you know, again,

2820
02:09:58,040 --> 02:10:01,360
Speaker 5: I just I'm not surprised by yesterday. Very typical cults

2821
02:10:01,360 --> 02:10:02,720
Speaker 5: here in the twenty twenty five.

2822
02:10:02,800 --> 02:10:05,000
Speaker 4: This is a decision that has to be have been

2823
02:10:05,040 --> 02:10:07,720
Speaker 4: made on hope, right. I hope that that first eight

2824
02:10:07,800 --> 02:10:09,760
Speaker 4: weeks is exactly who we are. Yeah, and I guess

2825
02:10:09,800 --> 02:10:10,920
Speaker 4: I hope that I have the right guys.

2826
02:10:10,960 --> 02:10:13,280
Speaker 5: You know, how much will she reference the trade, you know,

2827
02:10:13,360 --> 02:10:14,880
Speaker 5: for Sauce Gardner in that move?

2828
02:10:15,080 --> 02:10:15,280
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2829
02:10:16,040 --> 02:10:17,560
Speaker 7: Don't you think it also would be like it just

2830
02:10:17,600 --> 02:10:19,360
Speaker 7: depends on how she reacts to some of the more

2831
02:10:19,440 --> 02:10:22,640
Speaker 7: pointed questions like why again, why this and that? Like

2832
02:10:22,720 --> 02:10:25,600
Speaker 7: she's been on the sidelines, obviously she sees and knows

2833
02:10:25,640 --> 02:10:27,600
Speaker 7: everything that's going on in that building and how that

2834
02:10:27,680 --> 02:10:29,960
Speaker 7: team is run. Do you think if she gets a

2835
02:10:29,960 --> 02:10:33,160
Speaker 7: little more like Pushy's not the right word, but if

2836
02:10:33,200 --> 02:10:35,480
Speaker 7: she gets a little more like this is why this is?

2837
02:10:35,760 --> 02:10:38,160
Speaker 7: Like if there's a direction and at least she's got

2838
02:10:38,200 --> 02:10:40,960
Speaker 7: some like you're seeing her, you know, point like this

2839
02:10:41,120 --> 02:10:43,600
Speaker 7: is why I made this decision going forward? This is

2840
02:10:43,640 --> 02:10:45,400
Speaker 7: why I think this is what's best for the Cults franchise.

2841
02:10:45,520 --> 02:10:47,200
Speaker 7: They might give him a little give her a little

2842
02:10:47,240 --> 02:10:49,640
Speaker 7: more leeway, or is it more like oh, same old,

2843
02:10:49,680 --> 02:10:50,040
Speaker 7: same old.

2844
02:10:50,240 --> 02:10:52,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, it probably largely will be same old, same old,

2845
02:10:52,560 --> 02:10:54,680
Speaker 5: because I am kind of curious about this aspect to it.

2846
02:10:54,800 --> 02:10:56,840
Speaker 5: You know, when Ballard, we didn't hear from anybody in

2847
02:10:56,880 --> 02:10:58,520
Speaker 5: their say family at the end of last season. When

2848
02:10:58,560 --> 02:11:02,160
Speaker 5: we heard from Ballard, he did mention and we talked

2849
02:11:02,200 --> 02:11:03,360
Speaker 5: about it for a couple of weeks and then a

2850
02:11:03,400 --> 02:11:05,240
Speaker 5: play on a free agency I need to start doing

2851
02:11:05,280 --> 02:11:08,680
Speaker 5: some things differently. He did do that right, So, like

2852
02:11:09,200 --> 02:11:11,360
Speaker 5: I do have that question for today, like what is

2853
02:11:12,000 --> 02:11:14,160
Speaker 5: is this simply just wait a minute, Ballard did the

2854
02:11:14,240 --> 02:11:18,320
Speaker 5: right stuff. Our guys just got hurt again. I'm speaking

2855
02:11:18,320 --> 02:11:20,880
Speaker 5: for Carli Ers Gordon here. Is that going to be

2856
02:11:20,960 --> 02:11:25,080
Speaker 5: her mode or are there actual other things? I don't know,

2857
02:11:25,400 --> 02:11:26,840
Speaker 5: to be honest with you, what those would be. Obviously,

2858
02:11:26,880 --> 02:11:30,320
Speaker 5: don't have your first round pick and you're gonna pay theoretically,

2859
02:11:30,400 --> 02:11:32,280
Speaker 5: Daniel Jones and Ali Pierce a lot of money, so

2860
02:11:32,640 --> 02:11:35,760
Speaker 5: wiggle room. Why are you cutting some of your own

2861
02:11:36,480 --> 02:11:39,360
Speaker 5: very anti Ballard If Michael Pittman junior, Is I Franklin

2862
02:11:39,400 --> 02:11:41,160
Speaker 5: kennymore than the second? Whoever else you want to throw

2863
02:11:41,160 --> 02:11:42,560
Speaker 5: in that group? And if any of them are not

2864
02:11:42,560 --> 02:11:45,480
Speaker 5: putting on a Colts uniform next year, that's very anti Ballard?

2865
02:11:46,360 --> 02:11:49,480
Speaker 5: Is that now? More at Light? Is lou Ane Rumo safe?

2866
02:11:50,640 --> 02:11:52,360
Speaker 4: Oh he's a he's a candidate for a head coaching

2867
02:11:52,440 --> 02:11:53,040
Speaker 4: job last yek?

2868
02:11:53,160 --> 02:11:53,320
Speaker 10: Yeah?

2869
02:11:53,440 --> 02:11:55,720
Speaker 5: With the with the giants, like is that are you

2870
02:11:55,920 --> 02:11:59,480
Speaker 5: Canon a defensive coordinator? Again? I don't necessarily think that

2871
02:11:59,840 --> 02:12:02,560
Speaker 5: is going to be the pathway here. So that question

2872
02:12:02,640 --> 02:12:05,640
Speaker 5: of like you know, from twenty twenty four to twenty

2873
02:12:05,720 --> 02:12:10,240
Speaker 5: twenty five, there was a very specific in Ballard's case,

2874
02:12:10,440 --> 02:12:14,000
Speaker 5: I need to do things differently free agency. I don't

2875
02:12:14,120 --> 02:12:17,400
Speaker 5: sit here on January fifth, twenty twenty six, and that

2876
02:12:17,640 --> 02:12:18,440
Speaker 5: is obvious to me.

2877
02:12:21,520 --> 02:12:23,480
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, and I hope maybe you'll be the

2878
02:12:23,520 --> 02:12:25,360
Speaker 3: guy that asked it, but you brought up I think

2879
02:12:26,760 --> 02:12:28,000
Speaker 3: to play on words here.

2880
02:12:28,160 --> 02:12:28,920
Speaker 4: The money question.

2881
02:12:31,160 --> 02:12:33,440
Speaker 3: Is this decision to keep both these guys in any

2882
02:12:33,560 --> 02:12:36,480
Speaker 3: way related to the fact of how much money they

2883
02:12:36,560 --> 02:12:38,760
Speaker 3: have remaining on their contracts in addition to what it

2884
02:12:38,800 --> 02:12:40,600
Speaker 3: would cost to bring in a new regime.

2885
02:12:41,040 --> 02:12:42,760
Speaker 4: I think that's a fair question, givin.

2886
02:12:42,800 --> 02:12:45,120
Speaker 5: No, Yeah, how much as you willing to share on

2887
02:12:45,200 --> 02:12:48,160
Speaker 5: that remains to be seen. Scott Nelson, by the way,

2888
02:12:48,240 --> 02:12:52,320
Speaker 5: up on the podcast, really enjoyed that. Mark. Sean McDonough right,

2889
02:12:52,480 --> 02:12:54,280
Speaker 5: we had him on a lot last year doing during

2890
02:12:54,360 --> 02:12:54,880
Speaker 5: Notre Dames.

2891
02:12:54,960 --> 02:12:55,120
Speaker 2: Ron.

2892
02:12:55,160 --> 02:12:56,920
Speaker 5: He's on the call right him and Greg McElroy I

2893
02:12:57,040 --> 02:12:58,120
Speaker 5: you are Oregon, yep.

2894
02:12:58,240 --> 02:13:01,720
Speaker 7: And the rumors that we'll have in probably Friday ahead

2895
02:13:01,760 --> 02:13:02,160
Speaker 7: of the game.

2896
02:13:03,040 --> 02:13:04,680
Speaker 3: By the way, Sean McDonough I got hit to know

2897
02:13:04,800 --> 02:13:06,920
Speaker 3: him a little bit during my stint in Boston.

2898
02:13:07,560 --> 02:13:09,560
Speaker 4: He was on the Red Sox broadcast that I was

2899
02:13:09,600 --> 02:13:13,960
Speaker 4: working with. He is an outstanding person. I love to

2900
02:13:14,040 --> 02:13:15,200
Speaker 4: listen to him. I love him.

2901
02:13:15,440 --> 02:13:17,040
Speaker 3: He's one of those guys. Now you know it's a

2902
02:13:17,120 --> 02:13:20,000
Speaker 3: big game. If he's on the call, Kevin, you just

2903
02:13:20,080 --> 02:13:20,680
Speaker 3: do great.

2904
02:13:20,800 --> 02:13:21,560
Speaker 5: He's absolutely great.

2905
02:13:21,640 --> 02:13:21,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2906
02:13:21,920 --> 02:13:23,800
Speaker 3: It's gonna wrap it up for us today, James, but

2907
02:13:23,840 --> 02:13:25,800
Speaker 3: it'll be back again for the full show tomorrow.

2908
02:13:25,880 --> 02:13:28,120
Speaker 4: Kevin. Great job as always. Mark, good to see you again.

2909
02:13:28,160 --> 02:13:29,160
Speaker 4: We'll do it tomorrow morning.