Speaker 1: The frames per Second Podcast.
Speaker 2: What's going on in ship Boy, Nick, I'm here with
Speaker 2: Kenneth by Inge, Ollo.
Speaker 3: Spike Lou of the On Deck TV show and another
Speaker 3: week in the books.
Speaker 1: How you doing? Man?
Speaker 3: Doing good?
Speaker 1: What up doing? What's going on?
Speaker 3: Miss Naturally nay hello, representing one half of the of
Speaker 3: the Rights. And we also have Mike c.
Speaker 2: Town who'll be joining us a little bit, uh you know,
Speaker 2: sooner than later. But you're now tuned into the frames
Speaker 2: per Second Podcast. And in this episode, we are continuing
Speaker 2: on with our weekly recaps of the hit HBO series
Speaker 2: starring Zendia title Euphoria, with this recap being dedicated to
Speaker 2: episode season three, episode seven, titled Rise or Shine penn
Speaker 2: ultimate episode.
Speaker 3: As y'all know, i'd like to I'd like to remind you.
Speaker 2: All about it favorite episode exactly. It's always my favorite
Speaker 2: since Game of Thrones. It's always the episode I look
Speaker 2: forward to most in any series. So overall thoughts I
Speaker 2: want to get I'm gonna start off with you Ken,
Speaker 2: because you weren't with us last week, So going from
Speaker 2: last week's episode of this week's episode, I'm curious to
Speaker 2: know your thoughts.
Speaker 4: Uh, last week's well, the week prior the one that
Speaker 4: I missed, it was fine, I did.
Speaker 1: Have concerns, so I watched both of these back to back.
Speaker 4: So watching six, I was I was concerned about like
Speaker 4: where we're going, and I think I've said that a
Speaker 4: few times, like ending it, and I still share some
Speaker 4: of those sentiments after this one, but it definitely wasn't
Speaker 4: as good as this one.
Speaker 1: To me. I really like this one because I think
Speaker 1: the one.
Speaker 4: Before that's when you got the you know, you know
Speaker 4: what happened to rue, you know, with the whole thing,
Speaker 4: and I think you got Alamo's backstory right in that one,
Speaker 4: which is interesting. I did, Yeah, I did. I did
Speaker 4: find that interesting, but nah. Episode seven. I definitely really
Speaker 4: enjoyed episode seven. But again it's just like, all right,
Speaker 4: we have one episode left, like what what are we
Speaker 4: gonna do here? So I don't know, I'm leaning towards
Speaker 4: what you guys were saying, that they have another season
Speaker 4: that they're contractually obligated for.
Speaker 1: It seems like they're gonna have to utilize that.
Speaker 3: Hmm, what about your thoughts name?
Speaker 5: This episode was really good but really frustrating at the
Speaker 5: same time. It's like frustratingly good. I think that they
Speaker 5: really did it really well with the suspense. I think
Speaker 5: they did a really good job of keeping you engaged
Speaker 5: in this long episode. But by the year of it,
Speaker 5: I was frustrated with I think just about every single.
Speaker 6: Character and storyline.
Speaker 5: I'm like pissed and now I want to see what's
Speaker 5: gonna happen next, And unlike Ken, I think.
Speaker 6: That they're actually going to close this out.
Speaker 5: I think they're gonna close it out horribly, but I
Speaker 5: think it's going to be closed out.
Speaker 3: You felt the same way, lou.
Speaker 7: Hm.
Speaker 3: I feel like the episode was fine. I feel like
Speaker 3: it's really predictable, the situations that they're in and probably
Speaker 3: how they gonna wrap them up, like the thing when
Speaker 3: they we've been calling that all season. I think I
Speaker 3: have a pretty good understanding where Ruse headed, where all
Speaker 3: of them are hated. Really like, unless they do some surprising,
Speaker 3: shocking things in the end, I'll be with like, this
Speaker 3: is just fine, Like they had to do this just
Speaker 3: to finish it, because I disagree, and I don't think
Speaker 3: that they're gonna do another season. I think that they'll
Speaker 3: wrap it up next week with just some loose ends
Speaker 3: and give you what they give you. But it was
Speaker 3: It's fine. I didn't like it. It's still fun to watch,
Speaker 3: but it just it's not great.
Speaker 1: What about you, Mike.
Speaker 2: I agree with everything almost that Spike said, except for
Speaker 2: I think this episode was great.
Speaker 3: I loved every second of it.
Speaker 2: I was staring at the screen like this shit is
Speaker 2: This feels like old school euphoria. So I loved this episode.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't think they're gonna do. I think
Speaker 2: what they're gonna do is they're gonna wrap it up
Speaker 2: for the most part, but they're gonna leave a couple,
Speaker 2: like Spike said, loose ends just in case they are
Speaker 2: approved for another season. I don't think that right now
Speaker 2: they are approved for one. I guess it kind of
Speaker 2: depends on how well this current season does. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, I liked last week's and I liked this
Speaker 2: week's even better.
Speaker 3: So I'm good right now. Y'all know me.
Speaker 2: Once you start taking motherfuckers off the board, that's what
Speaker 2: you got me locked in. So I really appreciate this episode,
Speaker 2: But it also definitely pushed a lot of story lines
Speaker 2: forward to where we're gonna get a lot of conclusions,
Speaker 2: hopefully next week in the season finale. I feel like
Speaker 2: because I've heard that they're kind like they have a
Speaker 2: contract for four seasons. I think there will be one
Speaker 2: more season. I don't know how that will be portrayed.
Speaker 2: Maybe he does a reboot and like starts over with
Speaker 2: a new cast and like kind of like passes the
Speaker 2: torch from an old one to a new one. Based
Speaker 2: on hoow this season could end. But I really enjoyed
Speaker 2: this episode. I really enjoyed this episode. It makes me
Speaker 2: very interested for how they close it out the season,
Speaker 2: which has been very up and down.
Speaker 3: But let's get into it.
Speaker 2: We start off this episode with getting a history lesson
Speaker 2: more so visually than verbally, because I believe Ali has
Speaker 2: talked about his past with rough before, but we got
Speaker 2: to actually see what it was like with his battle
Speaker 2: with addiction and how he overcame it and how he's
Speaker 2: been able to turn his life forward to help others
Speaker 2: who deal with the same issues or similar issues.
Speaker 3: Nay, what did you think about seeing Ali and this episode?
Speaker 5: I mean, I love whenever Coleman Deman goes on anybody's screen,
Speaker 5: so it was it was interesting, I think to kind
Speaker 5: of I mean, like you said, we've heard who he
Speaker 5: was from the way he described himself, and I mean
Speaker 5: seeing it was.
Speaker 6: I guess that was okay.
Speaker 5: I don't really feel like I needed to see crackhead Ali,
Speaker 5: but I mean sure, I think I was more interested
Speaker 5: in watching like the way he deals with or like
Speaker 5: how he's handled his sobriety and the way he's mentored.
Speaker 6: All these kids who are dying.
Speaker 5: And I never thought about the idea that those who
Speaker 5: are struggling with addiction during the pandemic didn't have groups
Speaker 5: and things like that.
Speaker 6: I never really thought about that, So that was interesting
Speaker 6: to me.
Speaker 5: I think that was more interesting than seeing him in
Speaker 5: the thorles of his addiction and beating on his life and.
Speaker 6: Stuff I need to see all at.
Speaker 2: You felt the same, right, Nah, I don't need to
Speaker 2: see him beating on his wife, of course, But I
Speaker 2: think showing Coleman Domingo like that or Ali like that,
Speaker 2: I like. I just liked the way they did the
Speaker 2: storytelling where they cut from his daughter kind of just
Speaker 2: hearing him beating his wife to him as a crackhead
Speaker 2: in a Nashville hotel, just kind of like shadow boxing.
Speaker 2: I thought that was really, really, really well done. I
Speaker 2: don't know if we're talking about the whole scene. Is
Speaker 2: that what you wanted?
Speaker 1: Nick?
Speaker 3: You can you can bruh the whole book of the
Speaker 3: Dead Ship.
Speaker 2: I was like, this is brilliant. This is absolutely brilliant.
Speaker 2: Like the way that he has this book of all
Speaker 2: of these names of his you know, I don't know
Speaker 2: what they call him, uh.
Speaker 3: Sponsors, sponse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the way it cut to the the kid,
Speaker 2: that was like he wants to get clean, and then
Speaker 2: it immediately cuts to his funeral. Then it cuts to
Speaker 2: the guy hanging or person hanging in the in the
Speaker 2: garage and Coleman is having to find God damn it.
Speaker 2: Ali is having to find these people and he has
Speaker 2: all of their names and their death dates in that book.
Speaker 2: I just thought this was this was incredible storytelling. I
Speaker 2: wish the whole season was written as well as this
Speaker 2: first ten minutes.
Speaker 6: I think cinematically it was beautiful too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: They haven't they haven't let up on cinematically. I feel
Speaker 2: like that's been the most consistent thing about the series
Speaker 2: so far. Like cinematically they do very well, and if
Speaker 2: not all episodes, most episodes. Ken, what was your thoughts
Speaker 2: when you saw Coleman with the white woman in that glass.
Speaker 4: Dick the The funny part to me was she was like,
Speaker 4: I normally don't do black.
Speaker 3: But you've got nice teeth. But you look.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, this is kind of a racist
Speaker 1: ass season. Bro. They just throwing all.
Speaker 3: This ship in here.
Speaker 4: You know, I've never been in a situation where that's
Speaker 4: somebody have to say that the uh no, man, but no,
Speaker 4: all of this was was good.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: Uh Like, seeing him shadow boxing, hype himself up as
Speaker 4: a boxer, he was.
Speaker 1: Killing She hyping his ass up on the big.
Speaker 3: Ship was awesome.
Speaker 1: That was the.
Speaker 3: That was the epitome of crackhead behavior. That is grand behavior.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I definitely agree with the cinemas.
Speaker 4: Uh that that they and Mike expressed about, you know,
Speaker 4: the violence towards his wife and just hearing that because
Speaker 4: he just sat there like he like you, he wasn't
Speaker 4: gonna do ship. He just got up and just that
Speaker 4: was like.
Speaker 1: He was so yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: And you know, of course, just his story from where
Speaker 4: he was to where he eventually went, and you know,
Speaker 4: of course the sort of religious undertones or that that
Speaker 4: has and how that has been you know, carried out
Speaker 4: thematically through the whole season was really really good. So,
Speaker 4: and in that aspect, I thought they did a really
Speaker 4: good job of that. But komy Cooma was doing this thing.
Speaker 4: I really fucked with him in the beginning of that.
Speaker 2: For your thoughts, I know, again you can talk about
Speaker 2: everything overall, but also neighbor up a good point as
Speaker 2: far as like, the pandemic hit a lot of people differently,
Speaker 2: and obviously drug abuse didn't.
Speaker 3: Pause during that time either.
Speaker 2: Was it interesting that they found a pocket for Ali
Speaker 2: to kind of bring to light through all his time
Speaker 2: being a sponsor.
Speaker 3: Yes, that that stuff was interesting. All that was good.
Speaker 3: The acting was great, the story was great. Seeing m
Speaker 3: on screen Ali the character that was that was fantastic.
Speaker 3: But I guess it myself is right, and watching this,
Speaker 3: I just wonder why we needed that, and I could
Speaker 3: only come to one conclusion, which I we'll talk about
Speaker 3: at some point.
Speaker 1: I guess if it happened.
Speaker 3: But yeah, there's only one reason I feel like that
Speaker 3: they show that, and that's what makes me think that
Speaker 3: the show is going to end. Yeah, especially when what's up.
Speaker 4: I didn't even think about it until they they showed
Speaker 4: it about people that that are in recovery that do
Speaker 4: need those sponsors and talking to people and how the
Speaker 4: pandemic forced him to really be away from you know,
Speaker 4: people physically and just the impact that had. I think
Speaker 4: that from what I I don't remember those stories really
Speaker 4: being told like that, you know, unless I just forgot,
Speaker 4: but yeah, I don't recall it happened like that.
Speaker 2: It was the deaths of addicts and the percentage of
Speaker 2: relapses went up during him the pandemic. It was like
Speaker 2: it was funny because it was like pregnancies went up
Speaker 2: and then like the deaths of addicts went up like
Speaker 2: at the pretty much the same time. From what I remember, Yeah, yes,
Speaker 2: isolation on people who are already struggling.
Speaker 5: Man, Yeah, I never, I never. I don't remember hearing
Speaker 5: about that either. So that was wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, seeing him as far as Ali's character be, like
Speaker 2: on the phone, like he trying to go back to
Speaker 2: the church or the place that he had the venue
Speaker 2: it was locked up.
Speaker 3: He tried to call people as much as he could.
Speaker 3: He was like listen, it's.
Speaker 2: Nine thirty on Monday night, Like what you doing, Like
Speaker 2: I haven't heard from you. And for me, it was
Speaker 2: more about like his will to keep going on because
Speaker 2: like as we see him cook randomly cook these pancakes
Speaker 2: for Rue, He's like, He's like, my purpose now is
Speaker 2: to serve others, Like I'm still.
Speaker 3: Redeeming, trying to need myself and what I did to
Speaker 3: my family.
Speaker 2: And I love the fact that Rue was like she
Speaker 2: opened up to him on that tip as well as
Speaker 2: far as like, I'm really trying to just cleanse myself.
Speaker 2: But I feel like every move I make, I keep
Speaker 2: making mistakes, but I'm trying to do good.
Speaker 3: I swear I'm trying to do good. Like I feel
Speaker 3: her pain, like.
Speaker 2: Her passion for wanting to be in the right lane,
Speaker 2: but she keeps having to do these lefts because of
Speaker 2: the options that she has. So I love that conversation.
Speaker 2: And Niate, what did you think about that conversation they
Speaker 2: had they were eating pancakes?
Speaker 6: What exactly is this?
Speaker 5: When she was he was she was telling him about
Speaker 5: the fact that her mom's and all caught up in
Speaker 5: all of.
Speaker 3: This, Yes, the fact that her mom stought up.
Speaker 2: She was basically confessing like I'm working with the DA
Speaker 2: and this is my plan for how to get out
Speaker 2: of this fuck those situation.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and this is so the thing that I remember.
Speaker 5: And to Spike's point, which is why this scene made
Speaker 5: me feel like, yeah, we're not gonna see Ruth for
Speaker 5: too much more. Is because when she has this concept
Speaker 5: and this idea that she's gonna make it to the
Speaker 5: Promised Land and trying to kind of liken her herd
Speaker 5: situation to Moses and the whole burning bush situation from
Speaker 5: last episode, and Ali making this statement that you know,
Speaker 5: Moses didn't make this.
Speaker 6: To the Promised Land, right, he died, but he got.
Speaker 5: There, So just just making that correlation and just I
Speaker 5: think the thing that struck me is that for some reason,
Speaker 5: Ruth feels like she on the other side of things,
Speaker 5: and I don't understand why, Like she feels like things
Speaker 5: are finally turning around, and I guess to a certain extent,
Speaker 5: I guess I get it because she feels like, if
Speaker 5: I can just finish this one thing, I'll be free.
Speaker 5: But baby, that's a big thing you got to do,
Speaker 5: and you really think that that's really gonna be it?
Speaker 5: So I think, Yeah, the conversation made me feel like Grew,
Speaker 5: along with a lot of these other characters, are a
Speaker 5: little delusional about the situation they're actually in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, did you have any thoughts to what they said?
Speaker 2: I think I'm just still struggling a little bit with
Speaker 2: the burning bush part. I'm trying to figure out what
Speaker 2: that whole thing means because it almost seems like it
Speaker 2: was a warning for her to kind of like not
Speaker 2: go down the path that she was going in, but
Speaker 2: then she didn't listen. So if she does end up dying,
Speaker 2: which I think is what's going to happen, is that
Speaker 2: at and is that a sign.
Speaker 3: That she didn't follow what.
Speaker 2: God or whoever was trying to tell her to do,
Speaker 2: because I mean, I keep trying to relate it to
Speaker 2: the biblical story and I can't really figure out how
Speaker 2: it fits. And y'all are all Heathens except for Day,
Speaker 2: so I guess I can't.
Speaker 1: Look, I got nothing.
Speaker 6: So I think that.
Speaker 5: They're trying to compare her to Moses and like leading
Speaker 5: the people out of Egypt, and I think that that's
Speaker 5: going to somehow correlate to those licenses.
Speaker 6: She found.
Speaker 3: Out of.
Speaker 6: The Bondage of Alamo.
Speaker 3: That's good for herself, that's good, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Egyptians, Israelites, Egyptians, you know, making them slaves.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 2: I've been trying to figure this out since I watched
Speaker 2: the episode today. So that makes that totally makes sense. See,
Speaker 2: I can't depend on the rest of y'all for shit.
Speaker 2: Y'all need to go to church. That was that was
Speaker 2: a There was a whole nother burning bush in this
Speaker 2: episode that I was like, he' gonna talk about it later. Like,
Speaker 2: but speaking of again again, this is a very religious season,
Speaker 2: so we I'm gonna bounce Arond a little bit, but
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make sure I touch on all the main
Speaker 2: points that happened in this episode. But we didn't see
Speaker 2: Rue meet up with Lexi to tell her about her
Speaker 2: religious experience and basically kind of do the same thing
Speaker 2: she did with a little with Ali, but more on
Speaker 2: a friendly level, just telling her about what's going on
Speaker 2: with her life and how she feels better now than
Speaker 2: before she got into it, Like she feels like now
Speaker 2: that she's working with the DA and gave what they wanted,
Speaker 2: she's now feeling blessed. Lou what did you think of
Speaker 2: her Ru and Lexi's conversation when it comes to Ruth's blessings.
Speaker 3: I was with Lexi, Man, shut up, I don't want it,
Speaker 3: like bro, Like I'm trying to do work and you're
Speaker 3: doing all of this talking because Lexi didn't have any
Speaker 3: full context. I don't think that she really knows what
Speaker 3: Ru has going on, so she don't grasp the seriousness
Speaker 3: of what Ruth's saying. And Ruth's like saying like this
Speaker 3: is life changing things that have happened to her, whish
Speaker 3: they have. But Lexi has no context, so she of
Speaker 3: course is going to respond it to it like that
Speaker 3: because this is rue. Like she said, I think in
Speaker 3: the exchange right there, like you always going through some shit,
Speaker 3: I got something going on. But I don't think she
Speaker 3: realizes how close that Ru is to like the fire
Speaker 3: this time, Like it's usually been like a little other
Speaker 3: stuff that she could make her way out of, talk
Speaker 3: her way out of this right here, Like it's a
Speaker 3: totally different situation as to her being an informant working
Speaker 3: with Alamo. We see what he may do to her
Speaker 3: and even Laura, like it's never been this dangerous for her,
Speaker 3: and she just wants to tell her friend about it.
Speaker 3: Her friend doesn't have any context. So I got both
Speaker 3: sides of it. Nay, did you feel like Lexie was
Speaker 3: being rude to Lexi?
Speaker 5: Judgmentalist shit? She's probably the most selfish character in this show.
Speaker 5: Right now, Like she was being judgmental as hell. She
Speaker 5: like Ruth's trying to tell her what's going on, but
Speaker 5: she too focused on trying to get her come up
Speaker 5: in this movie industry to even take the time.
Speaker 6: Like this girl just told you that.
Speaker 5: She was in the d she was working with the
Speaker 5: DEA and working with drug dealers and Nazis.
Speaker 6: And your response is clearly you have relapsed.
Speaker 5: Like stop for a second and listen to the girl, Like,
Speaker 5: I really, LEXI pissed me off this episode. She pissed
Speaker 5: me off, And like she's been slowly judging, like she's
Speaker 5: been judgmental of everybody, and like, up to this point,
Speaker 5: I say, she's been observant and calling things out, which
Speaker 5: is true, but she's also being extremely judgmental and self centered.
Speaker 3: Can you feel the same way?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was fucked up. What she said to her.
Speaker 1: I was like, God, damn, let's see.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like what the hell, Like what is wrong with you?
Speaker 1: Yeah? She was a complete asshole. But you know, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of a spike.
Speaker 4: Look, I told you as it should up to be quiet,
Speaker 4: and you're still motherfucker talking and I'm trying to write
Speaker 4: this damn story and I don't want to hear about
Speaker 4: any of the damn.
Speaker 1: Ship that you're going through. She should have just kept
Speaker 1: her out as to the lead.
Speaker 4: And I'm thinking about Rue, and I'm like this, this
Speaker 4: would be rude to sit here and just just haphassively
Speaker 4: just tell this whole story about all the ship that
Speaker 4: she's been doing and not even thinking about the potential
Speaker 4: repercussions of it. Like you're working with Nazis and all
Speaker 4: the ship sounds fucking insane. You work with Nazis who
Speaker 4: hate black people, and in addition to that, you also
Speaker 4: working with the DA. I would think she someone she
Speaker 4: was on some ship too, you know, But I don't
Speaker 4: know if I would have said it to But let's
Speaker 4: let's see, at this point, she was frustrated by everything
Speaker 4: that we're down with her sister, and now she got
Speaker 4: to see her and listen to Rue tell all of
Speaker 4: this this crazy ass sound of ship that's.
Speaker 1: Super hard to believe. However, at the same time, LEXI
Speaker 1: knows Ruin.
Speaker 4: If there's anybody that's been in some crazy wild that ship,
Speaker 4: it would be rude.
Speaker 3: But I also think I also think that ru is
Speaker 3: known to lie. She's known to exaggerate and Lexi is
Speaker 3: feeling the brunt of excuse me, Ru is feeling the
Speaker 3: brunt of Lexi getting the shorthanded a stick from everybody
Speaker 3: else on the cast this season. I just feel like
Speaker 3: this was a tippic point for her to She telling
Speaker 3: Rue like, I see why your mom don't talk to you,
Speaker 3: and I hope she did well as a friend. You
Speaker 3: would think, of course she didn't mean that, but I
Speaker 3: just think she was frustrated with all the characters that
Speaker 3: she took it out on Rue. Yeah, you're right, she did.
Speaker 2: She didn't cuss out, she cuts out who on the
Speaker 2: phone was that Maddie.
Speaker 6: And she was like, yeah, yep.
Speaker 3: She told me I don't fuck with none of y'all.
Speaker 3: Right now, Michael, she being rude.
Speaker 2: Lexy is a piece of shit. Lexi's a piece of shit.
Speaker 2: I get she's frustrated. I get she's, you know, working hard,
Speaker 2: But let's say Ru has relapsed. That's not the way
Speaker 2: you talk to somebody that's relapsed. So right now, Lexi
Speaker 2: is not being a good friend. So if if Ru
Speaker 2: has relapsed, then maybe take five minutes listen to what
Speaker 2: she's saying. And if you can't help, then I don't
Speaker 2: know director to somebody they can if she's not relapsed,
Speaker 2: then maybe you should still sit there and just listen
Speaker 2: to what she has to say. Take five minutes. Listen
Speaker 2: to what this girl is saying. Like I was watching
Speaker 2: this scene and thinking, like, Okay, Ru is clearly not
Speaker 2: on drugs, but she sounds like someone is having a
Speaker 2: manic episode, and that's not someone that you're just like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, this is why your mother doesn't talk
Speaker 2: to you. What the fuck kind of comment is that? Like, Nah,
Speaker 2: Lexi's Lexi's foul and dirty, and I don't know, I
Speaker 2: don't even know what else to say. Nick, rarely does
Speaker 2: this show make my mouth completely like, get out?
Speaker 3: Are you serious? That's really what you're gonna say to
Speaker 3: this girl?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was shocked that she said that too, because
Speaker 2: she's usually more especially with like going on from last
Speaker 2: season her interactions with Fez. It's just kind of like
Speaker 2: I thought she was someone who has a little bit
Speaker 2: more kind, harder to people who are maybe in areas
Speaker 2: and doing things that they she wouldn't necessarily do, but
Speaker 2: she feels like the soul of them. And obviously she's
Speaker 2: known Rue from since they was kids, so you would
Speaker 2: think she would have you. I mean you, forgranted, you
Speaker 2: can say that she has a callous for rule when
Speaker 2: it comes to like, if she's talking like this, she
Speaker 2: may be relapsed. But like you mentioned, like it seemed
Speaker 2: like ru has really tried.
Speaker 3: To make changes.
Speaker 2: And even if she's quote unquote California, you're sober, like
Speaker 2: I don't. She doesn't sound like she's relapsed, and like
Speaker 2: you mentioned, even if she was, you don't handle someone
Speaker 2: like that. So I was shocked that she did that,
Speaker 2: and how she just basically just having the temper tantrum
Speaker 2: with everybody on this show when it comes to, like
Speaker 2: to lose point, how she's been treated.
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Speaker 8: step away from me and the Lord.
Speaker 3: At that moment.
Speaker 2: That moment, but that's how we kind of transition to
Speaker 2: this episode of Cassie as we see she's going through
Speaker 2: some shit. Caah, what were your thoughts on Cassie this
Speaker 2: episode and the situation she had to deal with on
Speaker 2: behalf of Nate.
Speaker 4: Cassie has been extremely irritating to me all season long.
Speaker 4: I think that, and I think she's probably been one
Speaker 4: of the most frustrated characters of.
Speaker 1: The show period. She's extremely stupid.
Speaker 3: She.
Speaker 4: Gets by with things, she gets lucky at times, but
Speaker 4: she doesn't think things through. And her situation that she's
Speaker 4: going through a nay and thinking that because you got
Speaker 4: this small role that you've all of a sudden made it,
Speaker 4: and you idiotically went and deleted your whole only fans
Speaker 4: because of this, not knowing how much you're gonna get
Speaker 4: paid for the role or whatever, and knowing that you
Speaker 4: need this to help pay off Nate and get Nate
Speaker 4: out of the situation. Now we got a chance to
Speaker 4: hear how she really feels about it when she was
Speaker 4: fake improving in that scene with Dylan Reed, because it
Speaker 4: seemed like she hasn't really had a chance to really
Speaker 4: like process it, and this was the one time she
Speaker 4: had a chance to kind of, you know, express her
Speaker 4: sort of PTSD about everything that was happening. But she
Speaker 4: lost the one source of revenue, which forced her her
Speaker 4: to have to do other things in order to get
Speaker 4: the money back when they called, which included sleeping with
Speaker 4: Dylan Red in order to get her only fans back
Speaker 4: up to get the money to go pay for Nate,
Speaker 4: which caused Maddie to possibly do some things that she
Speaker 4: didn't want to do in order. So she just brought
Speaker 4: she's she just in this situation brought a lot of
Speaker 4: people down with her, you know. So yeah, it was
Speaker 4: it was frustrating watching Cassie on the floor crying and
Speaker 4: all this other ship.
Speaker 1: It was, it was, it was, it was, it was
Speaker 1: fucking annoying. I didn't like.
Speaker 2: It, Nay, I needed to get your reaction to when
Speaker 2: Cassie opened up the door and that Armenian dude chould
Speaker 2: her work on the table.
Speaker 5: So it's the way she's singing our Little Nightie like
Speaker 5: it was no care in the world and.
Speaker 6: They got yoked up.
Speaker 5: It was the best moment, know the gotten her and
Speaker 5: showed me I'll go up watching her get ass thrown
Speaker 5: through that type of But.
Speaker 6: Poor Cassie, poor Cassie. I mean, that's that's all I
Speaker 6: really can say. It's just.
Speaker 2: Ship.
Speaker 6: It's less poor Cassie to me, and just poor.
Speaker 5: Maddie in the fact that how she really got Maddie
Speaker 5: like locked into all.
Speaker 6: This bull man just like it's poor Maddie.
Speaker 3: Lou Lou going off of that.
Speaker 2: I know, you can, of course give your thoughts on
Speaker 2: Cassie this episode, especially that scene.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 2: Now that they brought up Maddie and her not only
Speaker 2: dealing with this, but the first part is getting fired
Speaker 2: from her main job, and I think we kind of
Speaker 2: talked about how that was probably being in jeopardy and
Speaker 2: I think she knew it too when she teamed up
Speaker 2: with Cassie, but that factice see it actually happened. What
Speaker 2: were your thoughts on like how that domino effect impacted Maddie.
Speaker 3: I blamed Cassie. Well, Maddie was to blame. She was
Speaker 3: at fault for it as well. She knew how the
Speaker 3: lady felt about it, but she felt so strongly about
Speaker 3: it she went and did it anyway. Okay, nice, she
Speaker 3: got fired because they found out. I had a hard
Speaker 3: time feeling sorry for Cassie at all. I do agree
Speaker 3: with what Nate said, like she just drug a whole
Speaker 3: lot of people down with her with her dumb accents
Speaker 3: and herself centered this season, but she's always been like that.
Speaker 3: That's how she got with Nate. But in Maddie's case,
Speaker 3: I don't know that she's just like y'all said this
Speaker 3: when she started missing with Alamo, and I didn't see
Speaker 3: it then, I definitely seen it this up in the episode.
Speaker 3: You can tell that she's beening off a lot more
Speaker 3: than she could choose. And we're gonna get to it,
Speaker 3: i'm sure later, but it's just putting it in a
Speaker 3: position to make it more realistic as if you were
Speaker 3: to understand, like, oh, no, no, she can't handle this,
Speaker 3: because I thought she could at first, and now I'm
Speaker 3: looking at her in the position so she cannot handle
Speaker 3: this even the way she went responded to Cassie and
Speaker 3: told your mind now and this, that and the third like,
Speaker 3: that's not I don't think she'll be able to enforce that,
Speaker 3: Like she's just gonna have to hope that Cassie do
Speaker 3: what she says. So yeah, saying situation for both of them. Mike,
Speaker 3: what was your thoughts?
Speaker 2: I guess I'm trying to figure out what Spike and
Speaker 2: they mean by Cassie dragging people down, because it seems
Speaker 2: like she didn't drag Nate down because Nate was gonna
Speaker 2: be saved by her. She didn't drag Maddie down because
Speaker 2: Maddie didn't have to do any of this. I guess
Speaker 2: I'm I don't feel bad for Cassie. I think everybody
Speaker 2: in this season is being an absolute fucking moron, and
Speaker 2: I think Sam Levinson is painting him that way intentionally,
Speaker 2: like there's not a single good.
Speaker 3: Person this entire season, but a side thing.
Speaker 2: I'm also a little confused because I thought last episode
Speaker 2: I didn't think she actually deleted the Only Fans.
Speaker 3: I thought she was hesitant. She was hesitant, but she
Speaker 3: ended up doing it.
Speaker 2: I thought she clicked the button and then when it
Speaker 2: came up it said, uh, log back in. I think
Speaker 2: I took it as clearly I'm wrong, But I took
Speaker 2: it as she clicked it and it just logged her out.
Speaker 2: It didn't actually delete it. But yeah, her deleting it,
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it got us where we where
Speaker 2: we got to go with the I forget the actor's
Speaker 2: name that she went and fucked around.
Speaker 3: With Dylan Dylan, so it got us there.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't really feel I don't really feel
Speaker 2: bad for anybody honestly when it comes to Maddie or Cassie.
Speaker 5: I feel like she got her actions with deleting, the deleting,
Speaker 5: the deleting the Only Fans account, and the situation with Nate,
Speaker 5: even though that's not her fault, right, but she deleted
Speaker 5: the Only Fans account, And because Maddie got back involved,
Speaker 5: like she said, I never should have let you back
Speaker 5: in my life, because now she's in a situation.
Speaker 6: Where Maddie needs like a million.
Speaker 5: Dollars and if she doesn't she's gonna have like the
Speaker 5: fact that she let this girl get.
Speaker 6: Killed on her conscience.
Speaker 5: So it's like at that point, once Maddie got tied
Speaker 5: up with the Armenians, that's Cassie. Now Maddie's in a
Speaker 5: situation where she's trying she's kind of got to figure
Speaker 5: something out otherwise I got blood on my.
Speaker 6: Hands because my homegirl's dead now, and.
Speaker 5: They're calling me to help figure it out because.
Speaker 6: I, yeah, I'm your boss, bitch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I get that.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of looking at it like you stepped into this,
Speaker 2: and what is like, this is kind of the role
Speaker 2: you're having to play, Like you didn't have to step
Speaker 2: in and be my money manager because money managers always
Speaker 2: end up being pimps at the end of the day
Speaker 2: when it comes to this type of work. So I
Speaker 2: don't know, I get, I get what y'all are saying.
Speaker 2: I just have a hard time feeling bad for anybody
Speaker 2: on this show right now because everybody's doing fun shit
Speaker 2: every day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I feel that. I thought it was
Speaker 4: interesting because Maddie. Maddie was warned by Rue and multiple
Speaker 4: students like, yeah, I got it, don't worry about this
Speaker 4: I'm good, and.
Speaker 1: She ignored it.
Speaker 4: I think what happened with Cassie in relation to Maddie
Speaker 4: is that because of her working with Cassie and everybody else,
Speaker 4: she ultimately lost her job. So Cassie now is the
Speaker 4: source of her income, and on top of that, Cassie
Speaker 4: is also in danger. So now I'm about to lose
Speaker 4: my Like she said, she's special, I'm about to lose
Speaker 4: the one person that can make a lot of money,
Speaker 4: that can keep what I'm doing right now afloat because.
Speaker 1: I don't even have a job.
Speaker 4: I don't know if she was making more money from
Speaker 4: working with Cassie versus the job, but the standiness and
Speaker 4: security of the job is gone, and I'm about to
Speaker 4: lose the other thing that's secure for me as well.
Speaker 4: So I got us, and plus it's my friend, so
Speaker 4: I got to try to get her out of this situation.
Speaker 1: So it becomes a little bit too fold.
Speaker 4: But I understand not feeling sorry for any of them,
Speaker 4: but I felt like Cassie was almost in a situation
Speaker 4: where she had a choice, but almost didn't have a choice.
Speaker 9: I mean Maddie, Yeah, yeah, I necessarily wasn't surprised at
Speaker 9: how Maddie acted because to Mike's point, we knew eventually.
Speaker 3: She was going to be.
Speaker 2: Upset with Cassie to the point where she was like,
Speaker 2: I control you, I own you. You gotta do what
Speaker 2: I say because I have a position of leverage when
Speaker 2: it comes to giving you a platform. I was more
Speaker 2: so surprised about Cas I See and her sleeping with Dylan,
Speaker 2: because I always thought that that was going to be
Speaker 2: like the line that she didn't told because she was
Speaker 2: still married to Nate.
Speaker 3: But then lou once they cut right.
Speaker 10: Right to it, no bread crumblers or like any kind
Speaker 10: of and I'll looking at me differently because like the
Speaker 10: most sexualized woman on the show, why are you surprised
Speaker 10: that she does some sexual ship.
Speaker 2: I just thought that she just had, like because Maddie
Speaker 2: was always talking about that's the line that you don't
Speaker 2: cross when it comes to all the ship that we're doing.
Speaker 5: But episode I think you should move in with the dude.
Speaker 5: I mean, this was off at that point.
Speaker 3: And I think Maddy was just referring to that dude specifically.
Speaker 3: I don't think that she was talking about moving forward,
Speaker 3: right Yea. This was all because she's desperate, like both
Speaker 3: of them are desperate situation, all hands on deck.
Speaker 1: And Maddie basically turned into fucking Alamo. You know. So yeah,
Speaker 1: she turned.
Speaker 3: Cassie just stayed Cassie.
Speaker 2: Was it interesting, Mike for Cassie to tell Maddie what
Speaker 2: her true plan was for like making money, like once
Speaker 2: it came down to it, because like again, obviously Nas
Speaker 2: sent his henchman to threaten her, Cassie to pay up
Speaker 2: Nate's bill, And now Cassie has her back against the wall.
Speaker 2: She's scared, she's terrified, and she's like, all right, I
Speaker 2: gotta talk to her and now explain everything.
Speaker 3: Remind me what the plan was. I don't remember.
Speaker 2: I remember the scene and they were on the phone,
Speaker 2: but I don't remember what the plan was. I think
Speaker 2: it was just more of like Tonay's point, like confessing
Speaker 2: like I owe a lot of money to this gatest,
Speaker 2: Like this gangster came to my house beat me up,
Speaker 2: and it's saying like if I don't pay off my
Speaker 2: husband's debt soon, then I'm going to die. Oh you
Speaker 2: just me Okay, I thought I thought I missed something
Speaker 2: like there wasn't an actual plan for getting out of it,
Speaker 2: right right? She was basically just and I don't even
Speaker 2: know Cassie. Cassie doesn't really know anything about Alamo yet, right,
Speaker 2: So she was just calling Maddie because she's desperate. Well,
Speaker 2: she knows a little about Alma, because I think Maddie
Speaker 2: took Cassie to the Alamo's Strip club to do like
Speaker 2: those photo shoots and all that stuff, So she don't
Speaker 2: know that that's it though, right right, right?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: No, I mean this makes sense. I mean, who else
Speaker 2: is she gonna call? She can't call Lexi because Lexi's
Speaker 2: not gonna help her. She's calling the most resourceful friend
Speaker 2: that she has, which is Maddie. Actually Matt Maddie's pretty
Speaker 2: much the only friend she has. But Maddie is the
Speaker 2: one that I think if I was in this show,
Speaker 2: Maddie's the one I would call if I was in
Speaker 2: trouble for anything. I'm calling Maddie because Maddie seems like
Speaker 2: the one that can help hustle her way or for
Speaker 2: nagle her way and to figure out how to get
Speaker 2: me out of some ship. So I think this scene
Speaker 2: completely made sense, and it just still shows the friend
Speaker 2: dynamic between Maddie and Cassie. Cassie is still a fucking
Speaker 2: I don't want to call her stupid or an idiot
Speaker 2: or nothing like that, but it's like she just can't.
Speaker 3: She can't keep her shit in check.
Speaker 2: She needs somebody to help her at all times, whether
Speaker 2: it's Nate controlling her or if it's Maddie controlling her.
Speaker 3: When you leave Cassie to her own device as she fucks.
Speaker 1: Up, you can call it stupid Micael's official character.
Speaker 7: I mean, is.
Speaker 2: It It kind of seems like Sidney Sweety herself.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, Sam Levinson put that idea in our head
Speaker 2: by mimicking what's happening for her in real life, So
Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like I feel like Sam
Speaker 2: Levinson is talking shit in Cassie's face and Sidney Sweene
Speaker 2: don't even know it.
Speaker 1: So, Lou, I.
Speaker 2: Gotta ask you a question, since we are on to
Speaker 2: the Maddie Alamo part, because Maddie obviously went to Alamo
Speaker 2: for help because she was like, You're the only person
Speaker 2: that I know that can get ship done.
Speaker 3: Did you think she gave up the draws to help Cassie. Damn,
Speaker 3: that's a good question. I didn't even think about that
Speaker 3: because they didn't show ship.
Speaker 2: I think you think, man, you're looking at me like that,
Speaker 2: Like what you think happened?
Speaker 3: You thought he gave high five and they thumb wrestled.
Speaker 6: What do you think like?
Speaker 3: I thought that was the next step. I didn't know
Speaker 3: if it.
Speaker 6: Happened, right there, a different dress.
Speaker 1: Bruh.
Speaker 2: You think you think he gave her supposedly was gonna
Speaker 2: give her a million just for that the onlys while
Speaker 2: she was so upset later, which we'll get to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. That was the
Speaker 3: only reason why.
Speaker 2: I was like, maybe she did because she was like,
Speaker 2: you know, he was gonna do all that for free, right,
Speaker 2: But he didn't.
Speaker 3: Do it for free. So that's why I thought she
Speaker 3: maybe didn't give him the draws he did. I thought
Speaker 3: he no, he didn't. He told her at the end.
Speaker 3: You hold me, But I'm saying he didn't have to
Speaker 3: pay anything. That's what I meant. Sorry, it's right, he
Speaker 3: didn't have to pay for free. She owes him, right,
Speaker 3: And I think he went into it thinking he was
Speaker 3: gonna do that the whole way. I ain't getting her
Speaker 3: million dollars for anything, so she's she's gonna be in
Speaker 3: debt to me. Now absolutely so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I did feel bad for Maddy in this scene.
Speaker 2: Yes I did too. I did too, because I don't
Speaker 2: think she was ready for all.
Speaker 3: That y'all said it, though I didn't believe it. Y'all
Speaker 3: said it about two episodes ago. She had been off
Speaker 3: way more than she could chew, and they showed it
Speaker 3: this episode like she.
Speaker 1: Is you in the lower leagues.
Speaker 3: She literally been off. I was gonna say she gave
Speaker 3: up more than the draws.
Speaker 11: Right, he's so up, sessh, It's m okay.
Speaker 3: This was weird. I don't think that she knows the
Speaker 3: I don't think that any of them know. Like even
Speaker 3: when Ru was talking to the other sister, she was like,
Speaker 3: you're working with it, Like she ain't telling them that
Speaker 3: she's a snitch. So they processing it is people who
Speaker 3: don't deal with drugs and aren't in that world. They think,
Speaker 3: you know, she's working with the police. Yeah for real, Now.
Speaker 7: She responded to She responded to, you're working with the DA, Like,
Speaker 7: but that's right, Alm, Right, come on, Spike, Well, I.
Speaker 4: Think Alamo react in any sort of way. He just
Speaker 4: kind of brushed off, like ship was he just focused
Speaker 4: on matter.
Speaker 3: I don't know that that's gonna come.
Speaker 5: He's like, okay, dudely noted, let's keep going, Like I
Speaker 5: don't want to.
Speaker 2: I'm I don't know because like, do you think he
Speaker 2: just didn't believe it, Because if he believed it, why
Speaker 2: would he even with what.
Speaker 1: He was doing with Maddie.
Speaker 2: I feel like Mike to that point, I feel like
Speaker 2: he only went forward to it because he was like
Speaker 2: he saw an opportunity for like, this is how I
Speaker 2: get Maddie to owe me. So while I'm thinking, while
Speaker 2: she told me some shit for another idea, another plan,
Speaker 2: right now she needs me and I can get Hella
Speaker 2: leverage on someone who is already making me money, who
Speaker 2: I know is intelligent, but I don't really have anything
Speaker 2: on her to keep her in this world, especially but
Speaker 2: now that she's coming to me in this multiple situation,
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm gonna pretend like I'm focused on her.
Speaker 3: And obviously he revealed himself at.
Speaker 2: The end of this episode, but that shit that she
Speaker 2: told him, he was like, oh, Okay, clocked it, and
Speaker 2: that's why he's.
Speaker 3: Smiled and kept bringing He was like, all right, you
Speaker 3: did more than what you even thought.
Speaker 2: But no, but what I'm saying is he went through
Speaker 2: with this plan and he killed a man in front
Speaker 2: of Maddie, the person that just told you that my
Speaker 2: friend is working with the DEA. So I was just
Speaker 2: confused because Alamo. I feel like both of them are
Speaker 2: acting out a character. If Alamo was talking to Maddie
Speaker 2: and Maddie's like, yeah, Rue is working with the DEA,
Speaker 2: and then you go and take her to this place
Speaker 2: and you shoot a man in front of her, that
Speaker 2: just seemed weird to me because he didn't even like
Speaker 2: his facial reaction nothing. When when she said Rue was,
Speaker 2: he like smiled and just kept on the conversation. So
Speaker 2: I'm just a bit curious about what's going on here.
Speaker 3: My only thing is that he knew he took a
Speaker 3: sip of his looking and that's it. That's crazy.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at it because she didn't go to the
Speaker 2: cops first, and she went to him. It's kind of like,
Speaker 2: if you really wanted to do this quote unquote legally
Speaker 2: or do it the right way, you would have done
Speaker 2: other things before coming to me. The fact that you're
Speaker 2: coming to me means that it's a very dangerous situation,
Speaker 2: which means that you were willing to accept because she
Speaker 2: knows he's not a he's not a civil person, but
Speaker 2: she doesn't know the extent.
Speaker 3: She doesn't know the extent of.
Speaker 2: How far he was going to go because obviously she
Speaker 2: was shocked aby what happened. But I think she knew that,
Speaker 2: like if there's if shit went left, he can handle himself,
Speaker 2: handle us. So but Nick, wouldn't you think that if
Speaker 2: she says, Rude told me that she's working with the DEA,
Speaker 2: wouldn't you then be like, well, shit, maybe they're watching
Speaker 2: me right now. Maybe I shouldn't do anything crazy instead
Speaker 2: of I'm gonna go drive to the desert and shoot
Speaker 2: this guy.
Speaker 3: No, I think that's a good.
Speaker 5: Point that Matty said that to him, let him know, Oh,
Speaker 5: this girl really don't know what.
Speaker 6: She's gotten herself into. Like you you're you're really you're
Speaker 6: really naive if you are having.
Speaker 5: That conversation with me and jests, So I don't I
Speaker 5: think it's like she let him know, But she also
Speaker 5: showed her hand with how naive she is. So I
Speaker 5: don't think that it's a situation where he was concerned
Speaker 5: because one, it's Rude's talk into the DEA, not her,
Speaker 5: Because if she was, there's no way you would have
Speaker 5: said that to me. You would have been smart enough
Speaker 5: to keep your mouth shut. So now I know I
Speaker 5: gotta go check route.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: I'm more so like I said, I'm more so just
Speaker 2: thinking like the DA is watching him. If I have
Speaker 2: this girl in my close circle and I find out
Speaker 2: she's working with the DEA.
Speaker 3: At that point, I pause because I'm just.
Speaker 2: Like, wait a minute, maybe I shouldn't go kill somebody
Speaker 2: right now because the DA might be in the background somewhere.
Speaker 3: Unless he already knows that part. Yes, that part is
Speaker 3: what I started thinking.
Speaker 2: I was like, one, does he already know the DA
Speaker 2: is kind of watching him?
Speaker 3: Or two?
Speaker 2: Is he involved in some weird way? Like okay, I'm
Speaker 2: not tripping.
Speaker 3: Okay, because even this response to all point, it wouldn't
Speaker 3: like oh shit, It was like, you know, right exactly,
Speaker 3: because I don't know.
Speaker 5: If anybody we haven't gotten there yet with Kadeem Hardness
Speaker 5: and coming back, But did anybody realize.
Speaker 6: That that they had the vand tap, the d A
Speaker 6: had the band taped and didn't have nothing to do
Speaker 6: with that.
Speaker 3: And he put Hardison in the van with Laurie's people,
Speaker 3: So huh. Sorry, I was just saying it's weird.
Speaker 5: It is weird, but that's why I think that that
Speaker 5: Alamo's actually I think that those da.
Speaker 6: A actually worked with Alamo in some kind of way
Speaker 6: in there. The whole thing is for.
Speaker 3: Lord agree.
Speaker 2: To that point, to the point about Big Eddie, they
Speaker 2: kind of just because right after Ali's thing, we go
Speaker 2: to Big Eddie and we see that Alamo was checking
Speaker 2: on him to see like what happened to him, and
Speaker 2: at the hospital he was.
Speaker 3: Fucking with.
Speaker 2: His knife against his stars and say, you.
Speaker 3: Gotta new he was fucking with him.
Speaker 2: And then he said, I want you to do like
Speaker 2: this is your redemption to get back good in my
Speaker 2: good graces. You gotta go out with them with Lawyer's game,
Speaker 2: the people that shot you.
Speaker 3: You got to be in a car with them for hours.
Speaker 3: Is crazy. But I was also.
Speaker 2: Looking at it like they they just like served us
Speaker 2: up to us and then like left it. And I
Speaker 2: feel like, again, it's going to be addressed obviously in
Speaker 2: the next episode. But I was curious to think, like,
Speaker 2: what did you think about like Big Eddie and the
Speaker 2: Nazis that sound like a TV show, but like his
Speaker 2: situation right now, and like how that's gonna play out
Speaker 2: because I feel like Eddie is a I don't know
Speaker 2: what to call him yet, because he doesn't seem like
Speaker 2: he falls in line like Bishop and Marshawn Lynch, where
Speaker 2: you know that they loyal to Alamo. He seems like
Speaker 2: someone who's just like I'm just trying to make it.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to survive.
Speaker 4: It seems clear whatever conversation they had a couple of
Speaker 4: episodes ago spared his life, which is why he's still alive,
Speaker 4: because I just knew he was gonna kill him. Now,
Speaker 4: if we want to weave in the theory of and
Speaker 4: working with the FBI, maybe that's why he left him alive.
Speaker 4: But so I was surprised to see him back and
Speaker 4: going on this mission, so especially somebody that that you know,
Speaker 4: basically just gave up your holes, uh money, So that
Speaker 4: that that was interesting and then just fucking with him
Speaker 4: like that, but also put him in that uncomfortable situation
Speaker 4: being face to face with these guys after they shot
Speaker 4: and using that as some some some form of redemption,
Speaker 4: like what kind of ship is that, you know, especially
Speaker 4: when him having to walk around with this philosopy bag
Speaker 4: and ship like that. And then but I did like
Speaker 4: when he when he met up with him and he
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, let's see how it is when all
Speaker 4: of us have the gun. Is that I love to
Speaker 4: see how that play out. And I did like that part.
Speaker 4: But the more and more this so or this series
Speaker 4: or season stretches out the racist, the more racist it
Speaker 4: becomes because these hell white people are getting bolder and
Speaker 4: bolder and bolder.
Speaker 2: Before we get into that, I do want to wrap
Speaker 2: up the Cassie Maddie nas Nate situation because it definitely
Speaker 2: got wrapped up, uh in this episode wrapped up.
Speaker 3: I'll start with what were your thoughts on that scene?
Speaker 4: Bro?
Speaker 2: Hey can I'm gonna add another thing to my worst
Speaker 2: fears list? What happened this episode? I was scared to
Speaker 2: watch it, Bro, I had to replay it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, today I was. I was like this with my.
Speaker 2: I was like, are they gonna fuck with us because
Speaker 2: of the snake. I know, Mike, you mentioned the snake
Speaker 2: earlier this season and how it plays on, like with
Speaker 2: the religious aspect, But when that ground was thumping, little
Speaker 2: in the snake was right around the pipe. Hey, hey, Ken,
Speaker 2: you could have told me Nate was gonna get taken
Speaker 2: out by a snake and a pipe, and I would
Speaker 2: have never thought.
Speaker 1: It was this.
Speaker 3: They built a spin that was great, knowing how that
Speaker 3: family get down. Kid, you know.
Speaker 1: Who's the pike of snake? I would saying.
Speaker 3: Nonetheless, it busted off of his mouth.
Speaker 1: I was shot.
Speaker 3: I was shot, not not the fact that he died,
Speaker 3: but the way he died. I'm like, they gotta be
Speaker 3: like one of the worst ways to die possible in life.
Speaker 3: First of all, to be in that underground tomb breathing
Speaker 3: through that tube and then a snake crawled down there
Speaker 3: in it help, But they Nate pitched somebody off in
Speaker 3: their writing room. Boy, like how he was acting on
Speaker 3: this set. They made sure that they got They took
Speaker 3: him out in the worst way and it happened. So,
Speaker 3: I mean, we all knew it was coming.
Speaker 4: So you know, you know, I read up on like
Speaker 4: what was going on with with Nate, and apparently he's
Speaker 4: been kind of improving this whole season because he's been
Speaker 4: working on other stuff.
Speaker 1: It's really weird if y'all ever got a chance to
Speaker 1: look at it.
Speaker 4: But they're just kind of letting him sort of freestyle
Speaker 4: and do sort of random things with his character.
Speaker 1: It like this season.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it started to make things make more sense
Speaker 4: when I read up on that, and he tends to
Speaker 4: like it, even though the viewers don't. Yeah, I've been
Speaker 4: to If I can find it, I'll send it to
Speaker 4: you guys. But yeah, I felt like this was the
Speaker 4: only place they can go with Nate. They kept cutting
Speaker 4: off body parts. At the body parts, at the body parts,
Speaker 4: I mean, there's no way they can he could live,
Speaker 4: and it made the most sense that he has to
Speaker 4: die because I don't even know if they cut something
Speaker 4: off because he kept he kept trying to run away
Speaker 4: from this big ass Harmenian guy and the thing that
Speaker 4: pissed me off.
Speaker 1: And I know, you guys just like this isn't Nate.
Speaker 4: But when he was out there stomping on the grounds
Speaker 4: and stuff like that, I was like, Oh, this might
Speaker 4: be the guy that they've been looking for, you know.
Speaker 1: He might be back.
Speaker 4: And then the Armenian goes shows up and he's out
Speaker 4: there trying to juke him, and I was like, wait
Speaker 4: a minute, Nate was a fucking college i mean, high
Speaker 4: school athlete. You can't juke this old, slow ass motherfucker
Speaker 4: out running.
Speaker 1: That shit didn't make sense to me. I was like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck is going on? Bro? You said doing
Speaker 1: this shit.
Speaker 4: If you don't take your ass and haul ass, like
Speaker 4: he'll eventually get to you. But I'm just saying, like
Speaker 4: that shit looked fucking stupid. Nevertheless, putting Nate in this
Speaker 4: damn ground with with his pipe and then his brother
Speaker 4: right there and he's screaming and his brother doesn't hear
Speaker 4: him and drive off and then the snake and I
Speaker 4: was like.
Speaker 1: They just fucking with us. They ain't gonna really do this.
Speaker 4: And then the snake got where the pipe was at
Speaker 4: and Nate's banging on the ground and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: snakes are sensitives a vibration. I'm like, oh ship, I said,
Speaker 4: but nah, he's not gonna go down the pipe. There's
Speaker 4: no way. And that motherfucker went down there. Bro, Hey that.
Speaker 1: He got all nice.
Speaker 2: And and he's tied up too, so it's not even
Speaker 2: like they just buried him, because I'm thinking, like, if
Speaker 2: he wasn't tied up, maybe he could have choked the
Speaker 2: snake and like whatever.
Speaker 4: But I thought maybe somehow he caught the snake and
Speaker 4: was able to hold him somehow from biting him. But
Speaker 4: that but no, Yeah, it was a wrap and I
Speaker 4: was like, yo, like, yeah, that was that was that
Speaker 4: was That was a lot. I didn't expect that. That
Speaker 4: was a very very very intense scene that they did.
Speaker 4: They're like, we're all in there, like god, dang.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 3: I was like, we know what's gonna happen, but not
Speaker 3: like that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I had to run about the room. Bro.
Speaker 2: Mike, what was your thoughts on how Nate went out?
Speaker 2: This was one of the best scenes of the of
Speaker 2: the season so far. I think Jacob and Lordi's acting
Speaker 2: in this scene was incredible. I didn't know that he
Speaker 2: was freestyl in it or whatever it is that he's doing,
Speaker 2: but I thought this whole scene was amazing, And yeah,
Speaker 2: this was tense, and the whole time I was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: he really could die right now. I don't know if
Speaker 2: he's going to, but he could really die right now.
Speaker 2: But then I started thinking, Okay, he's not going to die,
Speaker 2: because this would be really bad business on the Armenian
Speaker 2: because it's like, why wouldn't y'all be checking on him
Speaker 2: if this is the guy, Like, if this dude stays alive,
Speaker 2: you get your money.
Speaker 3: If he dies, No, one's gonna pay you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it seemed weird that they wouldn't go back
Speaker 2: and check on him. But I think what it also
Speaker 2: shows is these these dudes ain't professionals like that. But yeah, man,
Speaker 2: seeing the snake go down, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: this is so uncomfortable, and it bit him.
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, this is it for Nate. Yeah.
Speaker 2: This is now my only complaint about all of this,
Speaker 2: because I think this is a fitting death for Nate.
Speaker 2: I think it would have been a lot more impactful
Speaker 2: if we didn't only get three or four scenes the
Speaker 2: whole fucking season with Nate, and the three or four
Speaker 2: scenes either him getting beat up or him getting married
Speaker 2: to Cassie. If we had more time to sit with
Speaker 2: Nate as he grew into this other person, this more
Speaker 2: like I'm trying to be a better guy, Nate, then
Speaker 2: I think that this scene would have hit ten times harder.
Speaker 2: But it sounds like Jacob BELORDI just didn't really want
Speaker 2: to do this.
Speaker 6: So or didn't have a time.
Speaker 5: I think I agree that everything he did was like
Speaker 5: within a couple of days.
Speaker 6: I don't know if y'all said this before, but everything
Speaker 6: within a couple of days.
Speaker 5: So I feel like him and either that or him
Speaker 5: and Jules piss Sam Levinson.
Speaker 6: I don't know, but you didn't ask me, but I'm
Speaker 6: gonna go ahead and say and something.
Speaker 5: This was the worst thing I could have watched, and
Speaker 5: Jacob did do an amazing job because I felt like
Speaker 5: I was in the box too, and I do agree
Speaker 5: that I think that it was.
Speaker 6: Fitting for for who Nate has been the show.
Speaker 5: So I think this scene was the best, the best
Speaker 5: of the Nate Jacobs season like this. This this was
Speaker 5: a good good way to wrap it up for him
Speaker 5: to me, and I immediately knew he was on die
Speaker 5: when I when when put him in that box, I
Speaker 5: was like.
Speaker 6: Oh, he ain't.
Speaker 2: I thought he was probably gonna make it if Maddie
Speaker 2: was able to like or if Cassie and Maddy we
Speaker 2: was able to come up with a good scheme to
Speaker 2: kind of like I thought, if you just look at
Speaker 2: the episode or not the snake stuff, you think that, okay,
Speaker 2: they're gonna be able to save Nate and time because
Speaker 2: the Armenian guy said you got seventy two hours and
Speaker 2: it was that same day. But once that's they introduced
Speaker 2: the snake and I was like once he went down
Speaker 2: the I was like, bro, there's no way unless again.
Speaker 2: It was like on some religious thing where like it's
Speaker 2: what's what's what's the religious story in the a with
Speaker 2: the man in the lions came and the lions ain't
Speaker 2: eat them. I thought it was gonna be Nate and
Speaker 2: the snakes or something, but I was like, nah, they can't.
Speaker 3: They can't let him go. It doesn't make sense for
Speaker 3: the snake not to bite them.
Speaker 5: I thought it was impact cool with it being both
Speaker 5: Cassie and Maddie finding him too, and them both having
Speaker 5: a moment to kind of a grieve because those were
Speaker 5: the two love Like, they both were equally in love
Speaker 5: with Nate, so for them to be there to find
Speaker 5: him together and both greed differently, was yeah.
Speaker 3: Or hey, Mike, they had that border in his throat,
Speaker 3: but that was his tongue. I thought that was him
Speaker 3: in the throat. Yeah, and the poison made yes, Well,
Speaker 3: that looked.
Speaker 1: That looked.
Speaker 2: That looked incredible And that was definitely something I was
Speaker 2: not expecting to see. But since we're talking about uh,
Speaker 2: Cassie and Maddie finding him together, that's where we're That's
Speaker 2: where we're.
Speaker 3: At hey, go ahead, you go ahead talk about it this.
Speaker 2: I know I said earlier that I don't really feel
Speaker 2: bad for anybody on this on this show, but I
Speaker 2: guess I'm I'm a little bit lying because in this moment,
Speaker 2: I was like, Maddie has to be just devastating because
Speaker 2: she fucked Alamo for a million dollars that he did
Speaker 2: not pay. So that was already in playing cards, that
Speaker 2: is already one thing. She sees that and she's like, wait,
Speaker 2: so I did this and you didn't even pay any money.
Speaker 2: Then Nate is dead and you killed the guy that
Speaker 2: you were supposedly gonna pay any so all of this,
Speaker 2: I did this for nothing. So Maddie has given up
Speaker 2: her goods and her boss status, all of that because
Speaker 2: now Alamo owns her. So this the way that they
Speaker 2: did this whole scheme. This is the type of writing
Speaker 2: that Sam Levinson should have been doing this whole time.
Speaker 2: I guess we just had to be patient and just
Speaker 2: seeing of what's going is it is it side question?
Speaker 2: Is it one more episode or is it ten totally more?
Speaker 3: Just one more?
Speaker 2: You're gonna fuck us, y'all, They're gonna fuck us. There's
Speaker 2: no way they're gonna wrap all of this stuff up
Speaker 2: and make this a compelling ending in one more episode.
Speaker 3: But this ship was amazing.
Speaker 2: The way the camera panned on Maddie, who was standing
Speaker 2: but you could tell she's upset, and Cassie.
Speaker 3: Who's on the ground balling. It's it was so good
Speaker 3: they killed this man. When when I see Niles open
Speaker 3: up the bag, he was like, what the fuck is this?
Speaker 3: I'm like, hell nah, I didn't expect that.
Speaker 2: Hey, I know, because like when Alamo was just sitting outside,
Speaker 2: just like he put his thumb against the wind, I
Speaker 2: was like, something something going nut is going by that?
Speaker 3: Repeat that.
Speaker 1: What did you say when one hecked his finger?
Speaker 3: I know he was gonna kill him. He did the
Speaker 3: same thing. Alcohol bullet didn't catch that, damn. I didn't
Speaker 3: catch Nope, Yeah, when he did when he did that
Speaker 3: thing when he shot Rule, he did the exact same thing.
Speaker 1: I did, not.
Speaker 2: I didn't catch him with his thumb this time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know something. I thought he was gonna have like
Speaker 2: others around to kind of take him out. And I
Speaker 2: was also kind of surprised that the Armenian bodyguard just
Speaker 2: like once his boss was dead. It was just kind
Speaker 2: of like, I'm just I'm gonna help you with this
Speaker 2: whole ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I kind of just submitted to the episode
Speaker 2: at that point because I'm like, they taking motherfuckers off
Speaker 2: the board and yeah, like seeing Maddie and now Maddie
Speaker 2: and Cassie are trauma bond twice over.
Speaker 3: Well, I do want to say about the Armanian bodyguard
Speaker 3: thing because I think someone mentioned it earlier, and I
Speaker 3: think it plays hto the point those dudes were gangsters
Speaker 3: to Nate. I don't think in Alamo's world they don't.
Speaker 3: They're nothing to him, so he would for someone like
Speaker 3: he said he wanted to avoid them early. That's right,
Speaker 3: he did say that, But I don't think this dude
Speaker 3: was high ranking enough to cause any havoc in Alamo's world.
Speaker 3: He was just able to cause havoc in Nate's world
Speaker 3: because Nate as a nobody essential And I think that's
Speaker 3: what they did when they had the bodyguard kind of
Speaker 3: make the assessment to like, shit I could do with
Speaker 3: him anyway, like I may well just do what he say,
Speaker 3: because it didn't seem like that Armanian dude was tied
Speaker 3: to no gang and was working with a bigger syndicate.
Speaker 3: It just seemed like he was a business owner who
Speaker 3: knew he could get over on native things got crazy
Speaker 3: and then have what you had. So I did understand
Speaker 3: the bodyguard fold in the media, don't. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I get you, Spike, but I think that this was
Speaker 2: one of the only moments of this episode where I
Speaker 2: think the writing wasn't great. I think this would have
Speaker 2: made a lot more sense if Alamo had about three
Speaker 2: or four other dudes that were in the corners.
Speaker 3: Or because yeah, even if the one guy is a punk.
Speaker 2: I don't see how he's that much of a punk
Speaker 2: if he's willing to just go bust up in Nate's
Speaker 2: house like that and cut his toes off and then
Speaker 2: cut his fingers off. Like maybe these guys aren't pro pros,
Speaker 2: but I don't think they're just like average Joe blow Nobody's.
Speaker 3: I agree. I don't think they're punk or blow blow
Speaker 3: Joe Nobody's. But I do think I do think that
Speaker 3: they recognized the high archy. They recognized the hierarchy, and
Speaker 3: this is person coming out here with a million dollars
Speaker 3: to get to do bag likely so he bowed down immediately.
Speaker 2: Okay, because going off for this point, going off for
Speaker 2: this part of the story, we then see or it
Speaker 2: kind of ties back to Rue going to Laurie to
Speaker 2: set her plan up as far as like the plan
Speaker 2: that she got with the DA, the plan that she's
Speaker 2: been talking about with Ali Danner Lexi, as far as
Speaker 2: setting these motherfuckers up and riding off in the sunset,
Speaker 2: and we see Rue go over to Lori's spot based
Speaker 2: off of Alamo, saying like, it's got to be you
Speaker 2: to unlock the key and get on our shit back,
Speaker 2: and she's trying to play double triple agent at this point, Ken,
Speaker 2: what did you think about Rue when she was tied
Speaker 2: up behind a burning in front of a burning bush?
Speaker 2: Another one as she was trying to negotiate her life
Speaker 2: and another deal with Laurie.
Speaker 4: The white racist people have become more and more bold
Speaker 4: as the season progresses, which I mentioned earlier, and because
Speaker 4: of that.
Speaker 1: I was concerned for Ruthe.
Speaker 4: Going back Blood on thee knows where they believe her,
Speaker 4: They clearly don't. What would they do to her because
Speaker 4: now she knows if she didn't know before that they're racism,
Speaker 4: they don't like black people, and especially the way the
Speaker 4: dad was talking and looking at her and the certain
Speaker 4: things he was saying, and I felt concerned for Rue.
Speaker 4: I thought that she was she was gonna be in trouble.
Speaker 4: I don't know that what they were going to do.
Speaker 4: Especially when the door was opening and slowly, I thought
Speaker 4: that may have been one of them. I thought that
Speaker 4: may have been the dad coming in there. Possibly, but uh,
Speaker 4: you know, it was.
Speaker 1: It was. It was a good scene that they did.
Speaker 4: Uh, starting from here on out, I'm sure we'll get
Speaker 4: to the rest of it. But yeah, I like how
Speaker 4: to about you know, the whole thing with the burning
Speaker 4: bush behind again, It's like, all right, I guess we're
Speaker 4: gonna just keep running with this whole religious thing just
Speaker 4: in case people didn't get it, especially a couple that
Speaker 4: with everything that Rus said earlier.
Speaker 1: So we just piling on here at this moment.
Speaker 4: But but nah, I like that they were They didn't
Speaker 4: immediately believed her, and she was really trying to convince
Speaker 4: them that, you know, that it was true.
Speaker 1: So it was. It was a good scene. I like
Speaker 1: how this played out.
Speaker 2: Nay, you can give me your thoughts on this scene,
Speaker 2: but I feel like we're all really trying to talk
Speaker 2: about the Faye part.
Speaker 1: This is.
Speaker 2: Because I can play devil's advocate for either side, but
Speaker 2: I feel like I know what side you're going with.
Speaker 2: Was Faye foul for how everything played out to how
Speaker 2: this episode ended?
Speaker 6: Bank drank the Nazi kul aid? Really, that's what I
Speaker 6: feel like. I feel like so initially, it's like she was.
Speaker 5: She the whole puppy dog, the whole puppy comparison right
Speaker 5: that her boyfriend was telling her, and you know the
Speaker 5: fact that you know she she does have an affinity
Speaker 5: for real, and watching how they were treating her like,
Speaker 5: she didn't like it because she's grown to care for
Speaker 5: Rue to a certain extent. But then once she realized
Speaker 5: the stuff wasn't where she thought it was, it's like
Speaker 5: it's like the Nazi switch went off because they paying
Speaker 5: to the Swats to cut.
Speaker 6: On her lower back or whatever, like they're trying.
Speaker 5: To kind of show us how Fase been indoctrinated into
Speaker 5: believing the Nazibs, and when she the money wasn't there,
Speaker 5: it's like, oh, he was right, you really are a liar.
Speaker 5: I really do need to basically put you down and
Speaker 5: woke and woke, go boy up. So I just felt
Speaker 5: like I was watching Fade drink the Nazi.
Speaker 1: Ul a.
Speaker 2: Mike, you agree, I didn't. I didn't read it like that.
Speaker 2: I just read it that this is just them just
Speaker 2: showing that face stupid. You know, she's blaming Rue for
Speaker 2: something that Rue would not have had.
Speaker 3: Any control over.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I didn't even take Race into it though. I think
Speaker 2: that they panned to the swastika on her back because
Speaker 2: that was Rue seeing it, and that was to make
Speaker 2: Rue a little bit more tense.
Speaker 3: I don't know that.
Speaker 2: Faye is looking at Rue like oh this nigger did
Speaker 2: this x y Z. It just more so just felt
Speaker 2: like Faye just kind of goes along with whatever. She's
Speaker 2: one of those kind of women that just kind of
Speaker 2: takes on the persona of the person that she's dating.
Speaker 2: So when she said, you know, you're supposed to be
Speaker 2: my friend, I don't know that someone that was actually
Speaker 2: being indoctrinated into Nazi ideology would even consider like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're supposed to be my friend. Let's go get this
Speaker 2: money and get out of here. I think that that
Speaker 2: was just Faye being like, well, you said there was
Speaker 2: money in here, so I money.
Speaker 6: Didn't they see the money in the damnsing.
Speaker 2: That's so why would she blame Rue for it? Ru
Speaker 2: would not have been able to take the money out
Speaker 2: of there, so because Wu was looking at her like,
Speaker 2: yeah I did because I thought there was You told
Speaker 2: me there was money in here. So the fact that
Speaker 2: Fay is blaming Rue is just the sign of how
Speaker 2: stupid Fay is.
Speaker 3: I think she blaming Rufe for the dumb ass plan though.
Speaker 2: I mean it wasn't really a actum of a plan,
Speaker 2: because you think Fay can come up with a better plan.
Speaker 3: No, no, I don't. But I feel like that she's
Speaker 3: telling ruin that moment you told me these things were
Speaker 3: going to happen. Yeah, even smarter person, these things didn't happen.
Speaker 3: Why are these things not happening? And then just crashing out,
Speaker 3: like you said, like a dumb person in real time
Speaker 3: and her understanding like this, this this is no being
Speaker 3: with Ruth's not gonna work for me, and then she
Speaker 3: realizes what she has to do. But I do agree
Speaker 3: with you, she's a complete idiot. But she's blaming ru
Speaker 3: because the plan didn't happen, even though it's not Rue's fault.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I looked at it as like kind of
Speaker 2: similar to what Mike said.
Speaker 3: I didn't look at it as Fae being racist.
Speaker 2: It was more of like I kind of looked at
Speaker 2: it like when Ruth was talking about the lies that
Speaker 2: she's told, she said I lied to like right when
Speaker 2: she was confessing all her stuff to Laurie in the gang,
Speaker 2: like she was like a lot of everybody, a lot
Speaker 2: of the thing, this, that and the third and Faye
Speaker 2: was around and I think she may have heard, and
Speaker 2: it was just kind of like an instant reaction like damn,
Speaker 2: Like the one time that I'm literally risking my life
Speaker 2: to help you, I feel like you dupe me. And
Speaker 2: again it does play on her stupidity because, like you said,
Speaker 2: like how the fuck was supposed to know what's in
Speaker 2: the fucking safe when the whole time you just been
Speaker 2: scheming on just getting into the safe. But once they realized, oh,
Speaker 2: all the shit that you got planned up doesn't really
Speaker 2: add to me and anything.
Speaker 3: It's like a plan that goes nowhere, not fuck it.
Speaker 2: Like because now, what's like Nate gonna know or we
Speaker 2: ain't gonna know that somebody went into the safe and
Speaker 2: all this ship. I might as well scream at and
Speaker 2: say now like, get myself out of this situation. Now
Speaker 2: you already dead in my mind anyways. So I mean,
Speaker 2: it's some white people easy to get out of, you know,
Speaker 2: get out of jail pre card. But in this situation,
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily blame Faith one hundred percent. Granted as foul,
Speaker 2: that's the one thing we can all agree on, but
Speaker 2: how we got there as kind of like, well, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's not gonna.
Speaker 3: Make no sense though when you wake up, because how
Speaker 3: did she get in the safe and why are you
Speaker 3: down here with her?
Speaker 2: He could say that she went into your waldin got
Speaker 2: your key while we both asleep, and.
Speaker 3: I came down here and saw her in the safe.
Speaker 2: No, okay, no, that's I think that this is not
Speaker 2: going to work out well for for either one of them,
Speaker 2: either one of them. But I don't think Wayne's gonna
Speaker 2: hurt Fae because he wants.
Speaker 3: To breed with her.
Speaker 2: But I do wonder how this is going to work
Speaker 2: out for Rue because I really did like the fact
Speaker 2: that the three D printed key did not work because
Speaker 2: this whole time, I mean, I don't know anything about
Speaker 2: three D printing, but I was like, this sounds stupid.
Speaker 2: Is this really how this works like I've never seen
Speaker 2: a three D printed thing, but like you took a
Speaker 2: picture of the key, we three D printed the key
Speaker 2: and that is going to work, Like keys are pretty intricate.
Speaker 2: I didn't think that was that was making any sense.
Speaker 2: So I like the fact that it didn't work. But
Speaker 2: also the fact that it didn't work. Is this another
Speaker 2: sign that Alamo's up to some bullshit?
Speaker 6: I think?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 6: I say, the fact that the money wasn't there is
Speaker 6: a sign that some bullshit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and like he set Rue up to be back
Speaker 5: with them and to get caught up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, nay.
Speaker 2: Did you also did you hear this line when Laurie
Speaker 2: was talking to Ruin, she was like, what if I
Speaker 2: do something like how Alamo trees his girls, like stick
Speaker 2: your tongue with fentanyl or some shit like that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I think Ruth said something like, is that really
Speaker 2: how it treats the girls and stuff like that? Was
Speaker 2: that something that Again, there have been the last few
Speaker 2: episodes specifically they've been showing us that he's animal's a
Speaker 2: piece of shit, heart to heart, but that line felt
Speaker 2: very like like this is a demon you're working with,
Speaker 2: Like you looking at us as demons, but you working
Speaker 2: with one too.
Speaker 5: I mean, Laurie's been insinuating that the way Alamo treats
Speaker 5: for a man and like you like he has, like
Speaker 5: it's funny how you always end up with young girls
Speaker 5: and all those things. So she's kind of alluded to
Speaker 5: the fact that he's been involved in sex track the
Speaker 5: king and violence on these girls the whole season. I
Speaker 5: feel like, so I didn't think. I didn't really, it
Speaker 5: didn't really stand out to me because I feel like
Speaker 5: she's insane in all season.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: And I guess they they are the ones that disposed
Speaker 4: of the bodies or the women for right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was just I just I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just I find it interesting how they're pulling the
Speaker 2: layers back on Alamo from various perspectives, and it's very
Speaker 2: interesting to his character. But essentially, when Faye screams Wayne's name,
Speaker 2: that's how the episode. Oh so you know, Ruin is
Speaker 2: gonna be in some ship trying to get out of
Speaker 2: a Nazi household, unscared.
Speaker 3: A post up right there with the gun.
Speaker 6: So she's supposed to make her way back to him
Speaker 6: by the.
Speaker 3: Mon I ain't understand that at all.
Speaker 6: Again, why I thought I think it may be some setups.
Speaker 3: Wait, why why don't Why don't you understand why he
Speaker 3: was there? What's he doing?
Speaker 2: He's he's waiting there because if Rube is able to
Speaker 2: sneak in and get the box, she's gonna have to
Speaker 2: get out of there. So he has to get out
Speaker 2: of there to ensure that she can get back to Alamo.
Speaker 2: Because whatever is in that box, which we found out,
Speaker 2: is the license, the driver's licenses of all these girls
Speaker 2: that Alamo has disappeared, and that is far more valuable
Speaker 2: than the money, because I guess that implicates Alamo in
Speaker 2: disappearing these women, So that's why he wants that box back.
Speaker 3: But that also that.
Speaker 2: Also removes part of the speculation that Alamo's in on it, because.
Speaker 3: If I thought he did too.
Speaker 2: But but he has to know those licenses are in there, right.
Speaker 5: No, I don't think he knows anything about that safe
Speaker 5: other than what Rue's told him.
Speaker 2: I think Mike's point he may know more than what
Speaker 2: he's given us as far as like an audience to
Speaker 2: whereas like we all think it's the money, and you know,
Speaker 2: it's easy to just focus on the money, but actually
Speaker 2: I feel like because of his businesses and all this
Speaker 2: stuff he got into. It's like the the the leverage
Speaker 2: of those licenses way went much more than anything they stole,
Speaker 2: because if that goes out, then I'm done because they're
Speaker 2: looking for all these girls.
Speaker 3: Now I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 2: Okay, So did did those licenses come from what they
Speaker 2: stole from Alamo's office or were those licenses already Laurie's state.
Speaker 2: If they were already in Laurie's safe and that means
Speaker 2: Alamo was partnered up with Lady to disappear these women,
Speaker 2: I think I think those licenses collect once you become
Speaker 2: like one of his strippers, one of his dancers.
Speaker 6: I don't think we know where it came.
Speaker 5: From because this is the first time we've seen any
Speaker 5: of that. So we don't know if that's a situation
Speaker 5: where because all we know is they got that fanny
Speaker 5: pack with the money and the drugs, and that's what
Speaker 5: she was looking for. So we don't know if the
Speaker 5: fannie pack also had these IDs and it we don't.
Speaker 6: I don't think we as the audience.
Speaker 2: Know, Okay, all right, just making sure I didn't miss something.
Speaker 2: But yeah, because Ruth to look on Ruth's face and
Speaker 2: made it seem like she well, I guess she could
Speaker 2: be upset either way because she would feel fucked up
Speaker 2: if it was Lori, and she would feel fucked up
Speaker 2: if it was Al that took Angel out. So yeah, man,
Speaker 2: this this episode was really really really good, man, really interesting.
Speaker 2: I can't believe it's only one more episode because I
Speaker 2: don't know how they put this up in a way
Speaker 2: where where we're satisfied.
Speaker 5: I mean, they're not. They just gonna kill Rue and
Speaker 5: Maddie gonna be a hole and at Alamo's bar and
Speaker 5: Maddie and Cast and maybe might be holes and Alamo's
Speaker 5: bar and Lexi gonna be writing her script about their lives,
Speaker 5: and there we go.
Speaker 2: They're gonna end it like the Wire, where you know,
Speaker 2: certain people seem to get away okay, but then the
Speaker 2: people that you really wanted to make it out there fucked.
Speaker 1: So I'm here for it, though I don't really think
Speaker 1: they're gonna kill U. Think.
Speaker 2: I think that's why they did the whole Book of
Speaker 2: Dead thing at the beginning of the episode. I think
Speaker 2: that that it's gonna end with Ali being like I
Speaker 2: lost another one, but let me throw one more thing
Speaker 2: that I was kind of interested in the fact that
Speaker 2: Bishop was not in this episode at all, Like, what
Speaker 2: is he up to?
Speaker 3: Is he really with Ru's mom? Because that would be
Speaker 3: really odd to me.
Speaker 1: He was in it?
Speaker 3: Wait, no, he wasn't remember seeing he was.
Speaker 1: I watched him both back to back. Never mind he
Speaker 1: was gonna Yeah the.
Speaker 3: H mmmm he killed the gattle what guy?
Speaker 6: He can't see him kill.
Speaker 3: The bathroom.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 3: And it's not like we saw a bunch of blood
Speaker 3: squirting or anything like that. No, that's true. That was
Speaker 3: the plan because he had a plastic I.
Speaker 2: Know it's it's what we inferred, is the plan. But
Speaker 2: he might have just been doing that to scare route.
Speaker 3: I think you can question. Yeah, I think Rule's gonna die.
Speaker 3: They've been alluding to it too much to see. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and when we see Jules in the last episode, was
Speaker 3: calling her. Did y'all see that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And I think that's I think that was jules last
Speaker 3: appearance that episode. I think so too of the season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they might have like a little short, you know,
Speaker 2: and then they might show it, right m hm, because
Speaker 2: she's gonna feel terrible.
Speaker 3: The last time I saw you, I slapped painting out
Speaker 3: of my paint and then totally get out of my
Speaker 3: painting the pain and asked me to get out. That's
Speaker 3: because I got another nigga waiting for me coming up.
Speaker 3: That's crazy. Bro Us is a beast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, any of the thoughts on this episode of Euphoria,
Speaker 2: we had one more left, It's see that's crazy.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, Yep, it's good.
Speaker 2: I think there's going to be a season for I
Speaker 2: just don't know if they're going to get the full cast.
Speaker 3: Obviously Nate it's not going to be a part of it.
Speaker 2: But you know what I'm saying, I don't know if
Speaker 2: they're going to like if he's going to try to
Speaker 2: pass the torch and do something like Mike.
Speaker 3: You remember when Saved by the Bell when they went
Speaker 3: to college.
Speaker 1: We don't want to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were talking about something and I brought that up,
Speaker 2: but I hear what I forgot what it was?
Speaker 1: Was it this?
Speaker 3: It was this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: I was saying that they should have all stay all
Speaker 2: stayed in high school, like stay by the Bell?
Speaker 3: But what were That's what I feel like it's gonna be.
Speaker 2: It's like it's gonna be like a spinoff slash transition
Speaker 2: to another to another cast that.
Speaker 3: Would be horrible because who who do we who do
Speaker 3: we care to see? Yeah, they need a y superstar
Speaker 3: to do it. If they do that, don't need somebody
Speaker 3: superly super superly interesting, Ken and Nick? Do y'all think
Speaker 3: we're gonna die?
Speaker 1: I don't think she's gonna I don't. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: three two.
Speaker 2: Because because something tells me, and again Reddick can't correct
Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 3: She got one more year left on this deal. And
Speaker 3: not anybody who they not gonna kill off. It's her.
Speaker 3: She is the biggest draw of this show.
Speaker 2: And and that's saying not because they killed off someone
Speaker 2: who just was nominated for an Academy and award. But
Speaker 2: all I'm saying is like she in every scene, she
Speaker 2: can make the show go forward, even with if you
Speaker 2: eliminate most of the cast.
Speaker 1: M don't know.
Speaker 3: If they don't kill her, I'm gonna be mad.
Speaker 2: I thought they were gonna kill the last episode when
Speaker 2: she was in the ditch with him about to hit
Speaker 2: her with the gavel or whatever. So once they let
Speaker 2: her go with that, I'm like, I think she's kind
Speaker 2: of plot proof. We'll see there, We'll see all right.
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Speaker 2: and we'll catch you on the season finale of Euphoria.
Speaker 3: But we out Peace.
Speaker 1: Peace,