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Speaker 1: Live from Vaal Hartbliner and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 3: So I think we're all in agreement that how the

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Speaker 3: Democrats look fleeing Texas because they don't want to have

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Speaker 3: a conversation about redistricting, the Democrats rallying around them, saying,

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Speaker 3: look at these heroes.

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Speaker 2: It all comes across as very very embarrassing. But there are.

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Speaker 3: Political fallouts to all things, sometimes minimal, sometimes very very large.

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Speaker 2: One way or another. There's a win, there's a loss.

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Speaker 3: Very rarely are things just kind of met How does

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Speaker 3: this play out for Democrats?

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Speaker 2: How does it play out for Republicans?

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Speaker 3: And should we be asking ourselves the question should we

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Speaker 3: be involved in this redistricting? Tony Kats Tony Katz today,

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Speaker 3: Good to be with you. Ed Morrissey joins me right now.

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Speaker 3: You know him from.

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Speaker 2: Hot Air where he is the Coppo di tutti coappo

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Speaker 3: He lives in Tahos. Ladies and gentlemen, that's French for Texas.

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Speaker 2: Talk to me, Talk to me, Ed Morrissey.

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Speaker 3: Your Democrats up and left, like Wisconsin Democrats up and left.

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Speaker 3: I think going back to twenty ten, which was collective bargaining.

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Speaker 3: I believe it was ZAC ten Indiana Democrats left in

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Speaker 3: twenty eleven. Everybody went to Illinois. By the way, in

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Speaker 3: twenty eleven, it was about union issues. This is something

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Speaker 3: that happens. Republicans have also done this. Democrats have just

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Speaker 3: perfected this. Their argument is that redistricting is racist or

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Speaker 3: redistricting is stealing elections.

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Speaker 2: What's the story.

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Speaker 1: Well, first off, it actually started in Texas in two

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Speaker 1: thousand and three over a different redistricting package. Texas Democrats

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Speaker 1: did it, then it didn't work. Eventually, they just kept

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Speaker 1: calling special sessions until they found enough Democrats to hold

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Speaker 1: a quorum. Right, They did it again in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: They did it again four years ago, and then the

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Speaker 1: state legislature passed some laws that makes it a felony

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Speaker 1: to fund flea bagging. That's what my term for it

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Speaker 1: is fleabagging. I kind of tried to coin that one

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Speaker 1: in the Wisconsin flea bagging and for the Act ten

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Speaker 1: stuff that Scott Walker was pushing through. So they've done

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Speaker 1: this now. This is the third time that Texas Democrats

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Speaker 1: Republicans are now trying to argue is that if Democrats

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Speaker 1: because the governor has the authority to call a special session,

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Speaker 1: if they refuse to show up, that they have abandoned

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Speaker 1: their offices and those seats should be declared vacant. That's

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Speaker 1: what's happening right now. Greg Gabbott and Ken Paxton are

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Speaker 1: courts and have these seats declared.

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Speaker 2: Vacant Gabbot meaning Governor, Ken Paxon being the attorney.

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Speaker 1: Governor Attorney general. Right now, they're acting a little bit

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Speaker 1: of cross purposes, and there's a bunch of technical issues

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Speaker 1: the same end goal, which is to start vacating these offices,

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Speaker 1: and if you vacate enough of them, then the number

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Speaker 1: So that's what they're trying to do right now. My

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Speaker 1: For whatever reason, they're back, and they were brought to

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Speaker 1: in order to take a record of it. The House

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Speaker 1: The Legislature has that authority, but there's a deadline for

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Speaker 1: They prefer them to work that stuff out for themselves.

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Speaker 2: That's a pretty strong assumption.

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Speaker 3: Talking to Ed Marcy of hot air dot com, Let's

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Speaker 3: It happens every ten years post census. But this is

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Speaker 1: The argument is that it's illegitimate and that the reason

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Speaker 1: The problem with this is is that the Biden administration

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Speaker 1: the way, Democrats in New York have tried to do

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Speaker 1: So it's a little rich to hear from Democrats that

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Speaker 3: And that's and I think that's where the point means

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Speaker 2: We could all agree on a couple of things.

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Speaker 3: We could all agree that the way we draw districts

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Speaker 2: It's tentacles everywhere. It's nuts. We could agree, we would

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Speaker 2: love a system. Here's a grid loop.

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Speaker 3: It's done, and so the district doesn't move on to you,

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Speaker 3: you move into or out of a district. But that

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Speaker 3: isn't the way it is right now. Jerry Mandering, as

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Speaker 3: we call it, happens in all these places. So that's

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Speaker 3: number one. And number two is what we're hearing from

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Speaker 3: the political left is that somehow what they're doing, what

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Speaker 3: absolutely no part of that is true.

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Speaker 1: No, it's not illegal, it's not against the rules. It's

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Speaker 1: a political it's a political decision, right, So they're making

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Speaker 1: And so they all fled to Illinois on a private

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Speaker 1: Whether or not you like it, whether or not you

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Speaker 3: And so you're seeing the redistricting conversation now happen in

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Speaker 3: other states. My beloved Indiana, we've got the Vice President

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Speaker 3: We'll get into that as we see things progress. Talking

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Speaker 3: in every way.

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Speaker 2: And JB.

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Speaker 3: Pritzker, the governor of Illinois, is showing up with them,

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Speaker 3: and Kathy Hochel is showing up with them, and Jasmine Crockett,

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Speaker 2: And then CNN we got to.

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Speaker 3: Of course, the greatest voice Texas ever produced, and.

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Speaker 2: That is Beto O'Rourke to chime in. Listen to this.

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Speaker 4: I think what they're doing is the highest form of

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Speaker 4: public service. They're trying to stop the consolidation of authoritarian

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Speaker 4: Paxson and the Republicans in Texas thick as thieves try

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Speaker 4: to steal these five seats in Texas because without them,

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Speaker 4: Trump's going to lose a majority in the House of Representatives,

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Speaker 2: Now, there's a couple pieces in that.

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Speaker 3: First, if CNN has to go to Beto O'Rourke, this

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Speaker 2: Beto o'rourk is a multiple time loser.

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Speaker 3: Betel O'Rourke has shown down no political acumen, has only

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Speaker 3: This is the totality of how Beto O'Rourke has uh

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Speaker 2: Where did that talking point come from.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think you look at how thin

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Speaker 1: thinking about that while they're going through this. But again,

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Speaker 1: redistricting is a political process. It's Texas is not the

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Speaker 1: It's supposed to be a political process so that if

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Speaker 2: Here is the gain.

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Speaker 1: Here is the continued disqualification campaign against Donald Trump. And

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, this is it.

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Speaker 3: Their entire methodology is pointing and crying and doing the

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Speaker 3: That's the whole math. And you say to me, Tony,

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Speaker 2: Ed now looks at this and say, you know.

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Speaker 3: Good to be with you regarding how the Democrats have

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Speaker 3: Which is why I referred to it as the crying

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Speaker 3: To this, this this very very simplistic, low level type

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Speaker 2: This is the greatest moment to be of your day.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's see christ moment of my life.

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Speaker 1: maybe voters in Texas don't like these new districts, maybe

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Speaker 1: they're angry over this, and as a result, the Texas

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Speaker 1: Legislature has to take some accountability for Republicans lose some

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Speaker 1: of their edge here in Texas. It's possible. It's not

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Speaker 1: like there's no Democrats in Texas. There's a lot of them,

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Speaker 1: especially around Houston and Austin.

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Speaker 2: But you would argue Bob will but not necessarily probable.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, because look, I mean, it's hard to

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Speaker 1: gain something like that out. It depends on how the

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Speaker 1: districts are drawn, too. Just because they're saying that they're

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Speaker 1: going to get five new seats out of this, doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean that they're actually going to get five new you know,

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Speaker 1: US House seats, and they're going to have to deal

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Speaker 1: with the fallout from that in the Texas you know,

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Speaker 1: apportionment of state legislative seats too. So if you've got

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Speaker 1: people who who are moving districts and don't like it,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna blame some It's like that line

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Speaker 1: from The Godfather. You know, you know, I'm gonna blame

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Speaker 1: some of the people around this table. They're gonna well

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Speaker 1: that was no, that was my laymag and now I

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Speaker 1: will not forgive right. That's that, and I will not

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Speaker 1: forgive right.

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Speaker 3: Your your impression seem like you're doing an impression of

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Speaker 3: Hunter Biden doing an impression of Marlon Branda. That's that

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Speaker 3: was not your best work, but it's not It is

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Speaker 3: an interesting idea that there can be some level of

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Speaker 3: backlash here that the Republicans have to deal with and

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Speaker 3: they have to make the determination that it's it's worth it.

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Speaker 3: Talking to Ed Marcy of hot air dot com. Find

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Speaker 3: his work over there, follow him on the Twitter. Ex

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Speaker 3: Ed Marscy uh m r R I S S E

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Speaker 3: y there's two rs yep, two ours two s's.

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Speaker 2: I got that right.

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Speaker 3: I want to ask you a question about the future.

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Speaker 3: And it is not for me to spend time worrying

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Speaker 3: about the future of the Democratic Party. That I am

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Speaker 3: not a Democrat. I do worry about the future of

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Speaker 3: the Republican Party. Being a conservative and Republicans being more

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Speaker 3: populous these days. These are things that I do, indeed

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Speaker 3: have have concerns with. But there is a worthy question

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Speaker 3: here about where this party is going. This Democratic Party

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Speaker 3: is broken. Chuck Schumer cannot lead. We were fully aware

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Speaker 3: of this. Hakeem Jefferies has proven in the House of Representatives,

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Speaker 3: the congressman from New York, that.

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Speaker 2: He cannot lead.

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Speaker 3: My argument was months ago that they have lacked and

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Speaker 3: lost a wartime consiglieri. They simply don't go back to

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Speaker 3: Godfather references. They simply don't know how to fight. These

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Speaker 3: guys are not Vito Carleone. These people are not even

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Speaker 3: Tom Hagen. They can't fight, and everything they grab onto

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Speaker 3: is simply as you were describing Trump bad, as opposed

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Speaker 3: to here's a policy that's better for your kids, for

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Speaker 3: your life, for your business, for your future, which I

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Speaker 3: assume comes from being the party of the university professor

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Speaker 3: and not the party of the working class. There have

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Speaker 3: to be some actual Democrats out there who have taken

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Speaker 3: notice of this and are working on this. Have you

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Speaker 3: seen anything amongst any Democrats that have shown you that

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Speaker 3: there's a seriousness in trying to be able to connect

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Speaker 3: again with Americans on subjects that matter to Americans.

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Speaker 1: No, but I will tell you that I see him

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Speaker 1: in some of the affiliated groups. Right. There's a really

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Speaker 1: interesting article today in the Free Press about the United

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Speaker 1: Auto Workers. I don't know if you've had a chance

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Speaker 1: to read this. It's very good. The Free Press is

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Speaker 1: actually a really great platform. I highly recommend it to people.

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Speaker 1: That's very interesting. They have all sorts of different opinions

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Speaker 1: and so it's a good mix. So I recommend it

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Speaker 1: to friends across the political spectrum. I said, you're going

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Speaker 1: to find stuff you don't like and find and find

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Speaker 1: stuff you like, and that's the way it should be.

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Speaker 1: But this one article talks about this and the United

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Speaker 1: Auto Workers had a serious decline in membership because of

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Speaker 1: the drop off on auto manufacturing the United States, and

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Speaker 1: of course a lot of the work shifted to the

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Speaker 1: South because of union contracts being somewhat corrosive. So about

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Speaker 1: fifteen years ago or so, twenty years ago or so,

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Speaker 1: they started bringing in other industries to the UAW in

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Speaker 1: order to bolster their political standing, which was fine, except

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Speaker 1: what they brought in was a bunch of white collar,

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Speaker 1: highly progressive work spaces. That has really changed the character

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Speaker 1: of the UAW. And so the UAW went all in

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Speaker 1: on Biden and Harris. When most of the auto workers

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Speaker 1: in the United Autoworkers Union it turned out to be

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Speaker 1: more supportive of Trump. Their money is getting shifted into

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Speaker 1: these things and the UAW, this is the point of

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Speaker 1: the article. The UAW, the rank and file is getting

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Speaker 1: extremely unhappy with the UAW and is trying to force

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Speaker 1: some changes in that so it would be more responsive

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Speaker 1: to its core membership rather than to the progressive elite

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Speaker 1: that has managed to infiltrate the UAW and converted into

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Speaker 1: a progressive activist group. I think that that's the type

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Speaker 1: of thing that you're going to have to see first,

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Speaker 1: is you're going to have to see these activist groups

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Speaker 1: get seriously challenged before you're going to see the progressive

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Speaker 1: elite establishment start to pay attention.

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Speaker 3: So you're making the argument of talking to Ed Marssey

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Speaker 3: of howdair dot Com, of the difference between a thermometer

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Speaker 3: and a thermostat. The difference between the two things is

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Speaker 3: that a thermometer measure temperature and a thermostat changes temperature,

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Speaker 3: and regulaticians are thermometers. The people are the thermostat. The

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Speaker 3: more we talk about an issue, the more they respond

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Speaker 3: to an issue. That's all they do, measuring the temperature

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Speaker 3: we the people, and then responding to it.

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Speaker 2: So you're making the argument that.

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Speaker 3: The thermostat needs to change for the thermometers the Democratic

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Speaker 3: Party to change. My response to that is the thermometers

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Speaker 3: must all be broken, because don't they already see that

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Speaker 3: their party is this fractured thing of literally communists and

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Speaker 3: Islamis supporters, in terms of those who support Amas and

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Speaker 3: hate Israel and push anti Semitism and this vestige blue

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Speaker 3: collar world that would still like to call themselves Democrats,

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Speaker 3: but they've made it impossible because they're the party of

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Speaker 3: elites in the university set and other places, and they

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Speaker 3: hate the blue collar folk. They need a wake up

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Speaker 3: call from voters. They don't see it themselves. How is

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Speaker 3: that possible?

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Speaker 1: Oh, they see it. They just refuse to the thermostat.

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Speaker 1: The thermometers aren't broken. It's the thermostats that are broken.

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Speaker 1: They see the temperature rising, they just refuse to adjust

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Speaker 1: the thermostat. They just the thermistat won't adjust. Because the

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Speaker 1: people who are now in control of the Democrat Party

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Speaker 1: are not democrats. They are authoritarians. They want to impose

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Speaker 1: their will regardless of what people think about it. They

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Speaker 1: have a agenda that they want to impose by any

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Speaker 1: means necessary. Elections don't matter. And that's I mean, this

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Speaker 1: is a big lesson from twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: This is they've been trying to be.

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Speaker 1: And the reason why they're going after the reason why

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is going after the bureaucracy is because that

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Speaker 1: was the way that Democrats could ensure that elections didn't matter.

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Speaker 1: And the reason why they went after US eight is

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Speaker 1: because that was a funding feedback loop to the same

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Speaker 1: progressive groups that made sure that the bureaucrats were safe.

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Speaker 1: So that made sure that Democrats can keep getting re

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Speaker 1: elected and to ensure that elections really didn't matter because

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Speaker 1: the policies were never going to change, no matter what

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Speaker 1: the people wanted, the policies were never going to change. Well,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump has disrupted all of that, and they're very

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Speaker 1: angry about this because now they're going to have to

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Speaker 1: compete and they don't want to do that. And that's

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Speaker 1: one of the reasons why you see the fleabaggers going

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Speaker 1: out of Texas again for the third time in twenty

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Speaker 1: years is because or twenty two years, i should say,

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Speaker 1: because they don't want to compete. They just want their way,

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Speaker 1: and they're used to getting their way.

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Speaker 3: And so you took it in a little bit of

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Speaker 3: a different direction, and I love the way you took

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Speaker 3: it that their desire is elections don't matter because everything

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Speaker 3: remains the same, which has been our conversation of does

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Speaker 3: the institution exist to serve the citizenry or does the

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Speaker 3: institution exist for the sake of the institution existing? Right,

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Speaker 3: that's what we're discussing. The other part of that in

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Speaker 3: terms of elections don't matter is that we go back

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Speaker 3: to what we've learned now from the release of information

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Speaker 3: with Telsea Gabbard, the release of the Dunham Sorry, the

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Speaker 3: Durham Annex, these these things. When the Democrats believe when

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Speaker 3: we win, you do what we tell you and don't

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Speaker 3: look at us, and when they win, we will punish

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Speaker 3: you the voter for not voting the way.

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Speaker 2: We told you to vote.

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Speaker 3: That's that's what I always think of when it's when

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Speaker 3: it means elections don't matter, because if you don't vote

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Speaker 3: the way we want, we will punish you by disrupting

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Speaker 3: everything so you don't even get your way to begin.

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Speaker 1: With that was you just played Beto O'Rourke right, Yet,

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Speaker 1: was Beto O'Rourke's message. Donald Trump is a criminal? Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump is you know, Donald Trump is is being a

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Speaker 1: big meaning and he's not doing what it is that

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Speaker 1: we think he should be doing. So therefore we're going

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Speaker 1: to try toneecap him. We're going to try to conduct

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Speaker 1: lawfair against him. That's what we've been doing for the

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Speaker 1: last several years.

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Speaker 2: Well, now the.

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Speaker 1: Shoe is on the other foot. The lawfair is starting

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Speaker 1: to go in the other direction. They don't like that either,

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Speaker 1: and they're claiming that now it's an abuse of power

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Speaker 1: to go after elected officials for crimes. I mean, Adam

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Speaker 1: Schiff is going to be the next guy up on

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Speaker 1: the on the block apparently. I don't think that's actually

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Speaker 1: going to go anywhere. The mortgage fraud ali manations, but

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Speaker 1: the Department of Justice in Maryland right in Maryland in California,

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Speaker 1: you can say both places, right, because he's claiming homesteads

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Speaker 1: in both places. I don't know that that's going to

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Speaker 1: go anywhere, because I suspect that the Statute of Limitations

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Speaker 1: probably is going to limit whatever the Department of Justice

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Speaker 1: can do there, because all this stuff goes back several years.

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Speaker 1: But they're claiming that now it's retaliation to have some

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Speaker 1: to have somebody, to have an elected official investigated by

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Speaker 1: the by an administration that's controlled by the other party. Well,

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Speaker 1: welcome to twenty twenty one, Welcome to twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: twenty three, and twenty four. I mean Democrats created this model,

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Speaker 1: and now they don't want to play by it. Why

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Speaker 1: because they don't think that they shouldn't have to. They're

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Speaker 1: the elite, they're they're the they have all the received wisdom,

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Speaker 1: and we should just acknowledge that and do whatever the

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Speaker 1: hell they tell us to do. That's arrogance. That's what

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Speaker 1: Bedoorurk is talking about. That's what Adam Schiff is talking about.

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Speaker 1: That's what the people who are in danger of being

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Speaker 1: indicted over the Russia Gate hoax are crying about too.

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Speaker 1: Is that, Well, wait a minute, we're we're we're the experts.

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Speaker 1: We you know, we just we just served our country

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Speaker 1: and you're going after us. Well, congratulations, that's the model

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Speaker 1: you guys created. Explicitly, you guys created, yes, and now

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Speaker 1: you get a chance to live by it.

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Speaker 2: Ed Morrissey hooks to be you put an exclamation point

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Speaker 2: on this thing. Edmarrissey, hotair dot com. I appreciate you

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Speaker 2: being with us.

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Speaker 3: More to get to I'm Tony katz Epstein's subpoenas for

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Speaker 3: Bill and Hillary Clinton and a whole bunch of other

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Speaker 3: people former attorneys general, former directors of the FBI like

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Speaker 3: Komy and Muller.

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Speaker 2: I'm all in who knew, what, when, where, why and how?

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to.

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Speaker 3: Be with you. I want answers. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: just because you've been spa it doesn't mean you're guilty

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Speaker 3: of anything. I have no idea like you know that

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Speaker 3: certainly Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein had a relationship, and

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Speaker 3: that painting of Bill Clinton in the in the blue

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Speaker 3: dress and all that, it doesn't mean he was on

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Speaker 3: the island. We don't know until we know.

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Speaker 2: You can think whatever you want.

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Speaker 3: I'm not here to tell you otherwise, but we don't

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Speaker 3: know until we know.

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Speaker 2: So with that, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I do not know, but I want answers, and I

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Speaker 3: like anything that involves movement to get them in the

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Speaker 3: House Oversight Committee doing this. I like me as you know.

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Speaker 3: I want the files released, no question. So that's gonna

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Speaker 3: be a big story as it comes down. And who

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Speaker 3: shows up for the depositions and who doesn't, and then

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Speaker 3: the tariff on India.

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Speaker 2: Not surprised.

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Speaker 3: This is all to try and make the deal happen

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Speaker 3: so then they can put the pressure on China.

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Speaker 2: This is as we describe. I did like We're the precogs. People.

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Speaker 2: We knew this was coming. Find everything at Tony Kotts

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Speaker 2: dot com. Tomorrow, everyone to take out