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Speaker 3: The Lucas solid stop for the A. J. Foy raising team,

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Speaker 3: Jacks's polow comes down and the yellow has come out.

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Speaker 3: Oh and that's will power. Will Power is off and

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Speaker 4: And wouldn't you know it, the lot for Alex below

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Speaker 2: Made it in just in time.

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Speaker 3: Before that yellow flag. He's right with him.

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Speaker 4: He's gonna have to go the long way round grabs,

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Speaker 4: he's it stuck in. Rasby Sin is gutsy, Rasbysin is braved.

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Speaker 3: H hands on, they run high.

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Speaker 2: Has the lead. Holy cow, what a pass.

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Speaker 3: We're all love this championship. I love short over is

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Speaker 1: Even the great Alex Polo has to tip his hat

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Speaker 4: Coming into this weekend, there was a feeling that we

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Speaker 1: Tribes that we have.

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Speaker 3: In the NTC INDIECA Series.

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Speaker 2: He's a us F two thousand champion, He's an Indie

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Speaker 4: Thousand champion and Indy Next champion with one two minutes ago.

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Speaker 3: Christian Rasmussen is.

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Speaker 4: Now had Indy cal race win a sensational Provo Provo

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Speaker 4: highlights from the snap On Tools two point fifty from

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Speaker 4: the Milwaukee Mile from yesterday afternoon courtesy of Fox Sports.

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Speaker 3: Do we have a Race of the Year candidate we'll

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Speaker 3: Is Alex Pollo headed to Red Bull in F one?

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Speaker 3: super license to learn F one tracks as well? Where's

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Speaker 3: Will Power going? What about David Malucas? How about the

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Speaker 3: IndyCars schedule which will include a pairing with the NASCAR

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Speaker 3: with NASCAR? Some of your Twitter questions are coming up

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Speaker 3: at Kevin Lee twenty three. In our number two, Kurk

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Speaker 3: weekend as well. Hello, welcome, thanks for joining us landon

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Speaker 3: coons Is in our studio. I'm Kevin Lee. We're on

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Speaker 3: sparate schedules. Kurt's not available this evening, so he taped

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Speaker 3: a segment, actually a couple of segments. We'll divide and

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Speaker 3: we've never seen anyone do. Why would you not want

432
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 3: to see what he can do? He has driven an

433
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Speaker 3: F one car. It's not a lot, but he's driven it,

434
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 3: and he was good in a free practice one. He's

435
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 3: done a couple of test sessions in the old car

436
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,880
Speaker 3: as well. It will be challenging on new tracks. You're

437
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 3: gonna need to get him to year two. Year one

438
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,719
Speaker 3: is going to be a little bit difficult in that regard,

439
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 3: but it just makes sense for someone to go after him.

440
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 3: Is Red Bull willing to pay forty million dollars up

441
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Speaker 3: front plus salary thirty million whatever it might be, And

442
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 3: by the way, they may not lose the lawsuit. That's

443
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 3: another story that came out last week the tales of

444
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 3: all the contracts of the McLaren drivers. Can find that

445
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 3: on Indistar dot com as well. So I don't know

446
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 3: if it's happening no matter what I've been told, but

447
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 3: it's possible. Next will Power, Well, the next rumor is

448
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 3: will Power would then go to the ten. One of

449
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 3: the reasons why maybe Chip Canassi might be open to

450
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Speaker 3: doing this because he has a championship level driver that

451
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 3: could step in that car short term, one, two, three years,

452
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Speaker 3: whatever you want to say. At this point, that's the

453
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Speaker 3: next rumor. Who knows if that is the case. At

454
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 3: this point, we're going to learn a lot more I

455
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 3: think tomorrow, though it could be totally over by tomorrow

456
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 3: or who knows. For will Power, he's been told by

457
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 3: Roger Penske he'll know after the race. And when I

458
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 3: chatted with will I said, hey, I'm still holding out

459
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 3: hope there's a chance. He just kind of smiles. I

460
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 3: think he knows if they are going to tell him definitively.

461
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 3: There's a lot of us have wondered, hey, maybe there's

462
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 3: a lot of other things going on here. Maybe they

463
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 3: decide and they can work with the Malucas Camp to

464
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 3: stay another year with aj Foyt Racing. I said, well,

465
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 3: is it going to be a few days and he

466
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 3: said no, I think I'll know right after the race,

467
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Speaker 3: almost like I may find out in the radio on

468
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Speaker 3: the cool down lap at the end of the race

469
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Speaker 3: in Nashville. So that means that means it's done. And

470
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Speaker 3: I still think one of the reasons why it had

471
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Speaker 3: to wait until the end of the season is there

472
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Speaker 3: may have been some performance clauses which maybe Melucas has

473
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 3: now met or barring some catastrophe, you know, whether it's

474
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Speaker 3: a points finish or something like that, he's already met.

475
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 3: And that is the plan. Now, Mike will be offered

476
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Speaker 3: in any five hundred seats and then go see what

477
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 3: you can find in the World Endurance Championship, sports cars

478
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 3: or whatever. Maybe, but at this point and Will said

479
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Speaker 3: he was anxious, but he's seemed relatively relaxed. Maybe he

480
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 3: had already heard this by the time I talked to

481
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Speaker 3: him about this, and everybody else talked to him on

482
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Speaker 3: Friday as well, and then the next one is and

483
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Speaker 3: I think Nathan wrote about this as well. I know

484
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Speaker 3: Marshall prut I talked to him. He said he had

485
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 3: mentioned it on his podcast, and then I started hearing

486
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 3: it this weekend too. I had not heard it until

487
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 3: I got there. Colton heard a to F two, and

488
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Speaker 3: when Colton was asked about it on Friday, he said

489
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Speaker 3: something along the lines of yeah, I've heard that rumor too.

490
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Speaker 3: Didn't say no, I'm not doing that now. Also, Colton

491
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 3: can be playful. He might have just said I'm going

492
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 3: to have fun with this and just avoid it and

493
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 3: go from there. But you think about this one, and

494
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 3: I'll say from the beginning, I think it's unlikely, but

495
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 3: it's also plausible. I can understand why it is being considered.

496
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 3: So he does have the super licensed points to go

497
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 3: to F one next year. He's not going to finish

498
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 3: top four in the championship and fifth is going to

499
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Speaker 3: be I haven't looked to see if it's even mathematically

500
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 3: a possible, but really hard. He could do a free

501
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 3: practice one and get the points, and even with that,

502
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 3: he doesn't know many of the tracks. He's been over

503
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 3: there some but doesn't know many of the tracks. If

504
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Speaker 3: you really want him to be competitive, a year in

505
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 3: F two would help. Well, how can you go from

506
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 3: IndyCar down to F two? It's actually a pretty similar level.

507
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 3: It's not that much different, and I would say IndyCar

508
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 3: is still a higher level and there's a lot more

509
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Speaker 3: depth in IndyCar. I'm going to say the fifth through

510
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 3: the entire field is significantly stronger than you know, the

511
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 3: eighteenth best driver in IndyCar I think. I'm biased. I

512
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 3: think is better than the fourth best driver in F two.

513
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 3: F two doesn't think that way. F one doesn't think

514
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Speaker 3: that way. They protect their ladder system and that's how

515
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 3: they award super high points, and it scored much higher

516
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 3: by finishing third or fourth in that championship or even

517
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Speaker 3: F three. So you can make the argument if you want,

518
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Speaker 3: if Cadillac F one, owned by the owner of Andretti

519
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 3: TWG Motorsport, if they want Coldon to be a future

520
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 3: Formula One driver, this would be in his best interest.

521
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 3: He finishes what is it, I think, top four to

522
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Speaker 3: five in that championship, maybe it's even top seven. He

523
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 3: has enough super licensed points to get there. Now here's

524
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 3: the risk. As much as I think of IndyCar drivers

525
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 3: and why they're better than everybody outside the top five,

526
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 3: it is not a guarantee anyone from IndyCar finishes in

527
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Speaker 3: the top five and F two, you've gotta play some

528
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 3: of the strong team. But you're gonna be facing several

529
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Speaker 3: drivers in their second season in those cars, and they've

530
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 3: gone through F three, they know all the tracks. Someone

531
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 3: could easily finish tenth in F two. How does that look?

532
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 3: But if he really does want to get to F one,

533
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 3: this is the last chance, this would be the path

534
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Speaker 3: to do it. Might not be a financial risk. Maybe

535
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 3: Andretti is simply saying, you'll stay on the same salary

536
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 3: and we want you to go over there and we're

537
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Speaker 3: going to invest in your future. And by the way,

538
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 3: it's not been announced yet unless it's come out here

539
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 3: in the last few minutes, but we know the drivers

540
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 3: for next year and they're not twenty one year olds,

541
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Speaker 3: so how long are they going to be there? At

542
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 3: Sergio Perez and Valtori Botas. There have been enough reports

543
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 3: that I believe that to be true. It makes the

544
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 3: most sense. I think we all felt it was going

545
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 3: to be at least one of them, but now seems safe.

546
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 3: You know, they need to learn about the program. There

547
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 3: wasn't really an American that was ready. They're going to

548
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 3: take some lumps and if it goes great, then either

549
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 3: of both of those drivers might have put clauses in

550
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 3: their contracts. It says, hey, if a better team joins us,

551
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 3: that's kind of out works. Once us, we can skip

552
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 3: town and then they could move up whoever they're developing

553
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 3: at this point. So that's the next one. I can't

554
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 3: tell you whether it's gonna happen or not, but I also,

555
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 3: in my opinion, can't say no, this is just Robi.

556
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 3: Shit's a wild rumor. I think it could be possible.

557
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 3: Also with the thought we've got someone we could slide

558
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 3: right in there. We could take will Power, and you know,

559
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 3: also Colton not having a great season. Maybe Colton is

560
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 3: not super happy and just wants to shake things up

561
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 3: and just do something different. And if it's not will Power,

562
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 3: maybe he does go to Ganassi. If the other polo

563
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 3: thing happens, well, you've got Dennis Hager there in waiting.

564
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 3: I think what's most likely if there is not a

565
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 3: seat available at Andretti, is that Andretti does like what

566
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 3: they did with Kyle Kirkwood. I would look at a

567
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 3: Dennis Hauger and a lot of people notice Dale Coin

568
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 3: the first agree to him after he wrapped up the

569
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Speaker 3: Indie Next Championship. But I've felt for a while that

570
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 3: that he's going to end up a dale Con. It's

571
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 3: a Honda team. That's the simplest he could end up

572
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 3: a Hunkos or somewhere else. But I think coin makes

573
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 3: a little more sense in that regard. All right, Next,

574
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 3: what about Prema reports on that that We've talked about

575
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 3: a little bit before, or at least I've said, Hey,

576
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 3: the person paying for that, at some point might get

577
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 3: tired of paying for that. I don't see any logos

578
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 3: on those cars, so that's costing someone a lot of money,

579
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 3: and at some point if they decide I'm tired of

580
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 3: spending a lot of money, what next? That's apparently what's happening.

581
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Speaker 3: We'll talk about that and more coming up next on

582
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Speaker 3: track side.

583
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Speaker 2: This is Alex below and you're listening to truck Site.

584
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Speaker 3: One race to Go in twenty twenty five. It's coming

585
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 3: up Sunday at the Nashville Superspeedway. Good crowd of Milwaukee yesterday,

586
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 3: hoping for more of the same Sunday, just outside of town.

587
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 3: I hope you can join us two day show once again.

588
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 3: It's almost the same identical schedule as we had in Milwaukee,

589
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 3: bright and early eight am Local time. I can listen

590
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 3: to me and Jack Harvey start the INDIEX practice at

591
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 3: eight o'clock Central time. That's on FS one. The rest

592
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 3: of Saturday because college football is starting is going to

593
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 3: be on FS two on Saturday. From IndyCar practiced, Indie

594
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:20,239
Speaker 3: Next and IndyCar Qualifying, Highline practice and so on, and

595
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 3: then eleven thirty Eastern is the Indie Next Race on

596
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 3: Sunday and two o'clock Eastern pre race show. Actually I

597
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 3: need to double check that. Maybe it's a half hour early.

598
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 3: I know we have a longer pre race show coming

599
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Speaker 3: up on Sunday. Chris Myers is coming in hosted the

600
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Speaker 3: Indy five hundred and Bill Richards, who I think I

601
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 3: may post something on this later after the season is over.

602
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 3: But Bill produced the Super Bowl have you heard of?

603
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 3: That did pretty well, and he produced the Indy five

604
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 3: hundred pre race show and his vision was magnificent and

605
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 3: a lot of the ideas came from a collection of

606
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 3: people with Bill put that together and he's coming in

607
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 3: to do the pre race show. We had hoped they

608
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 3: were still championship in place, but they have not changed

609
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,959
Speaker 3: their mind, and they've still got some cool features going on,

610
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 3: and we've got extra time in the pre race. So yeah,

611
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 3: we may be on a one thirty. I need to

612
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 3: double check that, but I know we have about a

613
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 3: thirty five to forty minute pre race instead of a

614
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 3: twenty minute pre race. And then the championship celebration as

615
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 3: well coming up on Sunday from Nashville. All right, the

616
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 3: silliest of silly seasons then, and we'll see if we

617
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 3: really do know on Sunday afternoon. Can you imagine the

618
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 3: people that will be the racing paparazzi following will Power

619
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 3: when he gets out of his car. I hope will

620
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 3: has a good day, so he not only is disappointed,

621
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 3: not only not disappointed with having a bad day, and

622
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 3: then waiting to see if he's walking the plank or not.

623
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Speaker 3: I hope he's already already knows about an option, But

624
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 3: I hope that's the case. As I've said many times,

625
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 3: the sport is better with will Power in it. I

626
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 3: was kind of like Elio Castronevez pr Guy for a

627
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 3: long time as well. People like el Eoh should not

628
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 3: go away full time until they just are not competitive anymore.

629
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Speaker 3: And ELO's last full time season he finished like third

630
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 3: or fourth in the championship. So I was sad that

631
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,959
Speaker 3: he was going into just Indy five hundred situation because

632
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 3: that was a little bit different. They needed some name

633
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 3: drivers for the Penske sports car program. So it was

634
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 3: still a good job for him, very acceptable. We do

635
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 3: not know yet what the options are for Willpower, but

636
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 3: he's still strong and he's interesting, and that's a great

637
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 3: combination as well, all right, the other things. So I

638
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 3: kind of tapped around this a little bit a few

639
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 3: weeks ago. I was hearing some things, but just common sense.

640
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 3: I think I'd probably said this six months ago, not

641
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 3: knowing anything. When a team comes in that is bankrolled

642
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 3: by someone, the idea is and this can apply to

643
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 3: a lot of teams. It applies to Brad Hollinger who

644
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Speaker 3: goes Hollinger Racing as well, that they may be willing

645
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Speaker 3: to spend a lot of money for a while, but

646
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 3: not in perpetuity. At some point, I'm sure they've been

647
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 3: told we're gonna find partners and sponsors to lessen the

648
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Speaker 3: financial burden. When does that point come around? And I

649
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 3: think you know who goes Hollinger is one of those

650
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 3: teams like Dale Coyn looking for partners. There's some positive conversations.

651
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Speaker 3: We might even have some announcements on partners for IndyCar

652
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 3: by this weekend, so keep an eye on that. I

653
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 3: don't know if it's going to happen for anybody or not,

654
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 3: but I know there is efforting. As we say, well,

655
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 3: Prema is definitely in that camp. I had heard it,

656
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 3: had heard it from good sources. Didn't feel like it

657
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 3: was my place to say anything. Marshall prooded Racer did

658
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 3: a little more due diligence. They'll comfortable enough writing it,

659
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 3: he wrote, maybe on Friday Saturday. Racer understands Prema Racing

660
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 3: is seeking a new source of funding to continue the program.

661
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Speaker 3: In twenty twenty six, reached by Racer at Milwaukee, a

662
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Speaker 3: team representative declined to comment on the matter. Well, everyone's

663
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 3: sources say the same thing as well, and if they

664
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Speaker 3: don't get that sorted quickly, their top employees are not

665
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 3: going to be available anymore. Their employees are concerned, as

666
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 3: they should be, because they have no charter to sell,

667
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 3: they have equipments to sell. So what they need is

668
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 3: they need an investor to come in and say we're

669
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Speaker 3: going to keep everything essentially as it is, or at

670
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 3: least the team, maybe the name changes. It could who knows,

671
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 3: but they need that to happen pronto or they're going

672
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 3: to be faced with somewhat starting over because other teams

673
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 3: are always looking for good personnel, and Prema has some.

674
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 3: They hired some away from other teams this time last year,

675
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 3: so they will be on the market, like will Power

676
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 3: coming up Sunday afternoon at about four o'clock. So they

677
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 3: need to get this done and hopefully something happens very

678
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 3: soon because they've been great to have around. They bring

679
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 3: a great presence to the paddock. But at some point,

680
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 3: some when the wealthy person loses interest or moves on

681
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 3: to something else or decides, yeah, I didn't know it

682
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 3: was going to be this expensive, then that's where we're at.

683
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 3: So how about this going back to the silly season.

684
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Speaker 3: You know I mentioned before, Penske is not in a

685
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Speaker 3: position to just say, like they did before, we're going

686
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Speaker 3: to run four cars. I mean they could and they

687
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 3: could say, well, we feel like will Power and our

688
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 3: other three drivers David Malucas if he's coming, they're all

689
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 3: going to qualify. But I don't know that that would

690
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Speaker 3: be received real well in the paddock. If the team

691
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 3: that's owned by the same people that own the series

692
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Speaker 3: starts sending someone home. Twenty seven cars make the race.

693
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Speaker 3: They're twenty five charters. So if there are more than

694
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Speaker 3: twenty five and they're only twenty seven, like now, everybody

695
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 3: makes the race. If a twenty eight shows up, then

696
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:03,919
Speaker 3: there are three cars for two spots. If they're twenty nine,

697
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 3: you have to think of a new team came in,

698
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Speaker 3: it'd be a two car team. Then it's four for two.

699
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Speaker 3: So let is say someone adds one, then it's three

700
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Speaker 3: for two spots. Someone would be going home in this

701
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 3: case from the premise circumstance. So whoever adds an extra

702
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Speaker 3: car that's not chartered, it would be the fastest and

703
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 3: they'd have There is a plan. I've got it written

704
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 3: down somewhere. What the format is. I believe it was

705
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 3: even on road courses, single lap qualifying to see who

706
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,959
Speaker 3: makes it into the full field, qualifying amongst those three

707
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 3: or however many cars that there are. So now someone else,

708
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 3: by the way, could do that. If McLaren, if Aeryl

709
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Speaker 3: McLaren says you know what we want, will Power, we're

710
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 3: gonna shake things up. We're going to run four cars

711
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Speaker 3: next year. I think they could do that and just

712
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Speaker 3: say we don't care if we send somebody home and

713
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 3: all be fair. In that circumstance, I would say Prima

714
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 3: knew the rules of engagement. I'm not sure they really

715
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 3: did though when they kind of committed. The charter system

716
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 3: wasn't in play at that point, so that might be

717
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Speaker 3: one of the other issues. When the investment was made,

718
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 3: it was well, we're on equal footing of everyone else.

719
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Speaker 3: Now they're in danger. If someone else decides to show

720
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Speaker 3: up with another car, they may not make the race.

721
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Speaker 3: So that could still happen. But what I was getting

722
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Speaker 3: to is, if the unfortunate happens and Prema were to

723
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Speaker 3: go away, we're down to twenty five cars. There's room

724
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Speaker 3: to add two more cars. Is it easier? Then? Could

725
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Speaker 3: Penske say we're going to add a fourth car for Willpower,

726
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 3: We're going to do this for one more year. Easier

727
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Speaker 3: for another team and have certainty that their cars are

728
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Speaker 3: going to make the race. For McLaren or Andretti or

729
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 3: someone else say we want Willpower on our team. For

730
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Speaker 3: Andretti to say we want Dennis Hauger on our team

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Speaker 3: as a fourth ca So just something to keep in mind.

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Speaker 3: The problem in the issue for Power would be, I

733
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 3: don't suspect if the worst happens, I don't suspect we're

734
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Speaker 3: going to have any resolution on PREMA in the next

735
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 3: little while. And will Power is going to want to

736
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Speaker 3: know unless unless there's no other options, unless this plot

737
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 3: to Red Bull F one is not happening, unless Colton

738
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 3: Hurda is not going to F two, and those two

739
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 3: teams do not have an opening, and there's nowhere really

740
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 3: attractive for Power to go. He might sit and wait

741
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 3: for a little while. You know, maybe Roger Penske says, hey,

742
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 3: hang tight, you're certainly welcome to sign something else, but

743
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 3: we might have something for you, but it would be

744
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 3: two months down the road. In the meantime, maybe he's

745
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 3: offered at least an indy five hundred seed. Remember this

746
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 3: all started for will Power in two thousand and nine

747
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 3: with the guarantee of one race. He gambled, turned something

748
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 3: else down, and it turned into what's that sixteen seventeen

749
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Speaker 3: years more wins than anyone else in Penske. So just

750
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 3: something to keep in mind. Unconfirmed seats, So these are

751
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 3: the seats that are open that I have confirmed, either

752
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 3: with the driver or with the team or in the

753
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 3: case of the number fourth AJ Foyt Racing common sense.

754
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 3: I didn't ask Larry Foyt or David about that. When

755
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 3: David's been asked he said, I'm on a multi year

756
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 3: contract and that's probably true, but there must be a

757
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 3: clause and an option in there, so none of us

758
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 3: believe that that is set in stone. We know the

759
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 3: number twelve of Penske is unconfirmed at this point. We

760
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 3: were waiting to see both the dale Coin cars are

761
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 3: unconfirmed for next year, the eighteen and the fifty one,

762
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 3: and we know Connor Daly's seat at Hunkos Hollinger Racing

763
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 3: is unconfirmed. Sting Ray Rob is on a multi year contract,

764
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 3: Devilin DeFrancesco is on a multi year contract. I think

765
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 3: the Prema drivers are in multi year contracts, but we

766
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 3: have to add them to the potential free agent list

767
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 3: at this point as well. And then what I would

768
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 3: also say, as we all know contracts or suggestions and

769
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 3: when there are free agents out there, of the likes

770
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 3: of will Power, you can't rule anything out. And there's

771
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 3: one other thing out there that I'm not willing to

772
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Speaker 3: talk about. I don't think I should talk about. That's

773
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 3: a bombshell that I give a te chance of happening.

774
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 3: Don't think it's very likely. So I'm not saying, hey,

775
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 3: stand by, but you just never know. You never know.

776
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 3: We've been surprised before. So top free agents, you got Power,

777
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 3: you got Renas Vike, You've got Connor Day, You've I

778
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 3: guess you don't really have David Malucas. He's either gonna

779
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 3: be with Fight or he's gonna be with Penske or

780
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 3: i Lot and Schwartzmann in that list. Lenis Lundquist there

781
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 3: again this weekend. He's having conversations. One team owner told

782
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 3: me they're thinking about it, They're looking into things. Dennis

783
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 3: Hauger just won the Indie Next Championship, comes with a scholarship.

784
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 3: Kyle Kollette will be trying to put a program together.

785
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 3: He is understanding it's easier to find money for IndyCar

786
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 3: than it is for Indie Next, so I wouldn't rule

787
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 3: him out. He's got a really good season in Indie Next.

788
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 3: They're going to be all the various F two drivers

789
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 3: former F one drivers Jacob Abel would like to come

790
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 3: back next year, and he might come back with dale

791
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 3: Coin Racing, but that's that's not confirmed at this point.

792
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 3: That was a if not a deal with options. Bill

793
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 3: Abele's dad was honest and saying, you know, there's no

794
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 3: guarantee that we're back. We're working on it. We're talking

795
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 3: to this team. I would presume they're looking into options

796
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 3: with other teams as well at this point. So that's

797
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 3: what we know on that front. We look at the

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Speaker 3: hour number two and more coming up on trackside.

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Speaker 2: How this is Scott mcachlin and you're listening to track

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Speaker 2: Side on ninety three to five and one seven five

801
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Speaker 2: the fan to.

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Speaker 3: My email inbox this afternoon. And this seems to happen

803
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 3: this time every year, right before the start of NFL season,

804
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 3: there is a carriage dispute with one of the TV

805
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 3: providers and one of the networks, and in this it

806
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 3: impacts us, YouTube TV sending a note that's saying as

807
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 3: of Wednesday, if we don't reach agreement with Fox, those

808
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 3: channels will not be a part of YouTube TV. So

809
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 3: just be aware of that. But also this comes at

810
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 3: a good time. If IndyCar is all you, if foxes

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00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 3: you only need IndyCar uh Fox won. The new streaming

812
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 3: service has a seven day trial period, so I'd wait

813
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 3: until Friday ish. If this doesn't get resolved, and they

814
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 3: usually do, there's a huge college football game arch manning

815
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 3: season debut Texas and Ohio State on Saturday. The real

816
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 3: deadline is going to be the week before. But if

817
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 3: they don't come to an agreement, sign up and get

818
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 3: the final weekend and they'll eventually work it out or

819
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 3: maybe Fubo is also an option. I've looked into that

820
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 3: they have a lot of sports there. Don't know if

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Speaker 3: they have FS two, so that'll be one to look

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Speaker 3: into as well. All Right, Hour two Kirk will join

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Speaker 3: us with Eric Smith from IndyCar dot com. I'm gonna

824
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 3: try to sneak in some of your Twitter questions coming

825
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 3: up when I come back at the end of the show.

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Speaker 3: Stay with this, pe Hi, This is Alexander Rossi and

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Speaker 3: you're listening to Trackside.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Trackside, our two of the Big Show.

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Speaker 1: And honestly, this is like the second or third time

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Speaker 1: in eighteen years of doing this show, Kevin and I

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Speaker 1: being on different schedules, so we've had to kind of

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Speaker 1: put this program together independently. You just heard him in

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Speaker 1: our number one, our number two. I will concede that

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Speaker 1: this is an afternoon taping. We've had to do this again.

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Speaker 1: My schedule a little bit crazy in the evening, so

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Speaker 1: I also brought in Eric Smith, who you've read pretty extensively,

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Speaker 1: not only on IndyCar dot Com here in the past

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Speaker 1: couple three years, but also in different capacities prior to that. Eric,

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Speaker 1: when was the first time you worked as a credentialed

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Speaker 1: member of the media.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 5: Twenty eleven, the fall playoff NASCAR race in Phoenix, soctly enough,

843
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Speaker 5: I was out there with Bleacher Report and that was

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Speaker 5: the first one, and then let into a full season

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Speaker 5: of covering both NASCAR and IndyCar and twenty twelve and

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Speaker 5: been around ever since.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been it's been quite a while. So you've

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Speaker 1: had a chance to be at most of the races

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Speaker 1: this season. And we will talk pretty extensively now looking

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Speaker 1: at what happened over the weekend of Milwaukee, maybe touching

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Speaker 1: later on to what we will see next week for

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Speaker 1: the season finale in Nashville. Let's start with obviously, Christian Rasmussen.

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Speaker 1: I guess you know this finale, his first, his first

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00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: IndyCar Series win happens largely because he was able to

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Speaker 1: take new tires or took the opportunity to take new

856
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: tires on a late pit stop because of sprinkles. But

857
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: we shouldn't have probably been surprised. He finished sixth at Indy,

858
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: He was third on the oval, the short oval at

859
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: Worldwide Technology Raceway, he was sixth and eighth that Iowa Speedway.

860
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 1: So from an oval standpoint, he's had a really good season.

861
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 1: So I guess maybe not surprised that he was a

862
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: podium fetisher, but but you know, he has been consistent

863
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: all season in the ovals.

864
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean when you look at he entered fourth

865
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 5: and oval points for the entire season comes out third,

866
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 5: So you really he's been a strong oval performer. And

867
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 5: it's saying something when I was reminded this past weekend

868
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 5: up in Milwaukee that that was the weekend that Ed

869
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 5: decided to step out and put rasmeisen and hit that

870
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 5: car to help with the leader circle. And Ed is

871
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 5: admitted an oval specialist, and for him to step out

872
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 5: and put that faith in Christian and to get that

873
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 5: car to leader circle, and here we are a year later,

874
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 5: this first really full time and he's already a race winner,

875
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 5: and he's just been strong on ovals and he just

876
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 5: he's the right amount aggression that you need. I know

877
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 5: some drivers talk about that as a hot topic, but

878
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 5: it clearly proved that he won a race by doing so,

879
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 5: and he's worth the price of admission, and it it's

880
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,720
Speaker 5: worth that. It was worthwhile he's going against Alex Below,

881
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 5: who himself is worth the price of admission to any

882
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 5: car races. And they both had a battle and Rasmussen

883
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 5: prevailed and it's good for him and good for the series.

884
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 5: They get another new winner, not just the season, but overall.

885
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: We talk about this taking on new tires. This is

886
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: an interesting deep dive that I did four Indiecar dot

887
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: com this afternoon. But I was looking at you know,

888
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: there were seventeen cars on the lead lap when the

889
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: opportunity came for that last pit stop. The top three drivers,

890
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: which were Alex Polo, Scott McLaughlin and Joseph Newgarden, they

891
00:49:55,760 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: all had had relatively few number of laps on their tire,

892
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: green flag laps on their tires twelve about twelve laps each. Actually,

893
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:10,439
Speaker 1: McLaughlin had thirteen green flag laps on those that set

894
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: of tires. The point I'm getting to is that the

895
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:18,479
Speaker 1: other fourteen cars in the lead lap, including Rasmussen, took

896
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: new tires. Rasmussen was seventh, he goes from seventh to first,

897
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: but after that, not a lot of people made up

898
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 1: a lot of ground. David Malucas picked up a position,

899
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: Alexander Rossi went from fifth to fourth. I think Malucas

900
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: went from like ninth to eighth, and then in the

901
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: back of the pack there was some shuffling. But really

902
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: Rasmussen was the only one to really capitalize on those

903
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: new tires, when in fact you might have thought that

904
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: the top three cars, the ones that didn't take the tires,

905
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: might fall like a rock. So really, as alex Poloh

906
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: minched and it was a fifty to fifty kind of

907
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: decision for him, you know, he's kind of damned if

908
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: he does, damned if he doesn't. Kind of situation we've

909
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,959
Speaker 1: seen that a lot in NASCAR, guys will stay out,

910
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: the leader will stay out, and then everybody else will

911
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: pit for tires, and or just conversely, if he comes

912
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: to Pitt Road, then then everybody else stays out. So

913
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: he's kind of polo is probably in a no win situation,

914
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: don't you think.

915
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 2: One hundred percent agree?

916
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 5: And when that happened, that struck me to the combo

917
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 5: we had with him in the bullpen on Friday with

918
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 5: wanting to use these final two races to better himself

919
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 5: as a short oval racer. And it's just funny to

920
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,720
Speaker 5: hear him talk about he's this is his weakest link,

921
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 5: He's still not comfortable and he really wants to spend

922
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 5: this time to learn, so kind of make a statement

923
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 5: for next season of now I'm going to be that

924
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 5: much better. So I almost wondered if the safe play

925
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 5: for learning was to keep him out on old tires

926
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 5: just to learn. I mean, what's he going to learn

927
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 5: on fresh tires at the end of a race? Let

928
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 5: him see how those tires evolved, because there was times

929
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 5: during the race I was questioning whether he was going

930
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 5: to lack the field he was so good. So that

931
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 5: was a fifty to fifty decision. And hearing them talk

932
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 5: about they they're standing by it that I'm not going

933
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 5: to doubt him and Barry Wanzer in that ten group

934
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 5: of what they're trying to accomplish there. But Raspisen and

935
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 5: look at the box score, and you look at third

936
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 5: place McLaughlin, who, as he told me, he had a

937
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 5: second place car that finished third. He was ten seconds

938
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 5: back in that short little bit, so Raspisen was on

939
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 5: rails and deserving winner.

940
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:41,720
Speaker 1: How does Eric Smith join this? So how does Alex Plow?

941
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I know he's as even keeled as they come,

942
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: but how did he handle like the post race, you know,

943
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 1: kind of behind the scenes, how did he look?

944
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 2: How he sound?

945
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I know he was disappointed not to get

946
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,479
Speaker 1: this win, but I have to think it was just well,

947
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 1: those things happened. Kind of a moment reaction from Alex.

948
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 5: That's exactly what I realized. That's how he was reacting.

949
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 5: It was typical Alex Pelow. Just doesn't get too high

950
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 5: in the highs, doesn't get too low in the lows

951
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 5: and little inside baseball. I almost had my heart dropped

952
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 5: because I was chasing Ed and Alexander Rossi and that

953
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 5: for the paddock buzz lead and are timing and scoring

954
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 5: a little glitch and my phone was showing he finished

955
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 5: like seventeenth, and I was like, what did I miss?

956
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 5: So I took off running down that pit box to

957
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 5: see how he would react to that.

958
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 2: So his reaction when.

959
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 5: I finally saw him on the podium just seemed, oh,

960
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 5: that seems normal. But yeah, I kind of try to

961
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 5: figure out what we missed there that he but he

962
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 5: was typical Alex Plow fashion. It almost makes me wonder

963
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 5: if they were a championship on the line how he

964
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 5: would have reacted. But to lead one hundred and ninety

965
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 5: nine laps and not win has got to be a

966
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 5: gut punch no matter what.

967
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 2: But he just was unflappable and just Alex Pelow fashion.

968
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: Hard to believe that, not only would that have been

969
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: his ninth race win of the season, that would have

970
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: given him twenty for his still very short career in

971
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: Indy Car. Explain something to me if you can, and

972
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: maybe you can't. You reference the fact that Scott McLaughlin

973
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:19,919
Speaker 1: being ten seconds back of Alex polo. So I get

974
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: the decision that Barry wantser and Alex make or someone

975
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: in the group makes to stay out on older tires.

976
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: Why does Team Penske running second and third with McLaughlin

977
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: and Newgarden, Why did they decide not to pit as well?

978
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 1: They clearly had not had an answer for Polo previous

979
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: to the caution coming out with what twenty nine to

980
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: go or that's what the restart was. They weren't going

981
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: to beat Alex in my opinion, on the tires on

982
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: the same strategy that Alex was on. Did it surprise you?

983
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 2: They didn't pit very much, So I question I could.

984
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 5: It's the whole theory of why if you're going to

985
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:02,959
Speaker 5: beat him, why A you're gonna follow him if he's

986
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 5: got you should do with the opposite of what Alex

987
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 5: was going to do. And what was even more baffleen

988
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,879
Speaker 5: was you had two teammates sitting there. At least split them,

989
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 5: I at least have one to one and the other

990
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 5: due the opposite. And in that situation here in the

991
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 5: kind of tea leaves and the way Scotty Mack was

992
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 5: talking about, they are starting to rebuild momentum, and I

993
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 5: think they felt that maybe that was the safe route.

994
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 5: By falling Polow they knew he didn't have anything for him,

995
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 5: which again kind of contradicts why did you do the opposite?

996
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 5: But you look at how miserable of the summer he's

997
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,720
Speaker 5: had and then he shows up the weather Tech Raceley

998
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 5: Gonna Seka and finished the seventh and then he's seventh

999
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 5: at Portland. He's got a podium type car. You can

1000
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 5: just tell that they're just more building for next year,

1001
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 5: which made me wonder why Joseph's team didn't do the

1002
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 5: opposite because they've got nothing to lose at this point,

1003
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 5: and why he A lot of people were referencing Ross

1004
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 5: in particular last week of how Rasmus races like New

1005
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 5: Garden with the aggression, So I just kind of wonder

1006
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 5: why the New Garden the two car didn't at least

1007
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 5: pit for tires, and he was ahead of Rasmussen at

1008
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 5: that point and he do the same thing, so that

1009
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 5: that was puzzling. I don't have the answer to that,

1010
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 5: something I will ask in Nashville just in hindsight. Well

1011
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 5: went into that and why didn't they can maybe split

1012
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 5: the cars, but I was shocked at usually Team Penskee

1013
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 5: with multiple cars, they go opposite strategies to kind of cover.

1014
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 2: Both blades, and that shocking that they did the same thing.

1015
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: Let's look at the restart before we get off this

1016
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: topic and then kind of move down through the box

1017
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: score a little bit more. So we talked about the

1018
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 1: top three did not pit for new tires. You know,

1019
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: tires were going to be the advantage, not the fuel,

1020
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 1: but the tires. Those on the tire strategy of changing

1021
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: and going to new tires for the shootout, if you will.

1022
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 1: The lead car at that point was that was Poto

1023
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: A Ward, then Alexander ross He then Christian Lutenguard and

1024
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 1: Christian Rasmusen, a lot of Christians in there. And those

1025
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: are two Aero McLaren cars and two ECR cars. And

1026
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: then following those four were Scott Dixon and David Malucas.

1027
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: So Malucas picked up a spot passing Dixon. We talked

1028
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: about ras Musen, which one of those cars at that

1029
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: point did you think had a shot? I mean, if

1030
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: if Award lines up first and ROSSI was second in

1031
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: that in that strategy group, which one did you think

1032
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: had had the best shot at getting to the front.

1033
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 5: I would say Award just because it kind of similar

1034
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 5: in Iowa. That's kind of how he beat Joseph and

1035
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 5: the Iowa races. I put the McLaren car in clean air,

1036
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 5: and I would have thought him Malucas.

1037
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 2: I can see him too.

1038
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 5: He I asked him after the race of because I

1039
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 5: know it's that first stint after the cautions flew and

1040
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 5: few laps went buy and then he passed below and

1041
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 5: then he sailed away for a while and then you notice.

1042
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 2: Polo coming back to him, and then Pulo.

1043
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 5: Eventually got back by, and so I asked him about

1044
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 5: that and why that was that he burned his tires

1045
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 5: off too much, and he said the car wasn't initially

1046
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 5: set up to his liking and that they worked on

1047
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 5: it as they progressed and fortunately had the pit penalty

1048
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 5: and rallied back from a lap down to the top ten.

1049
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 5: So I think if he could have got there too,

1050
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 5: now that his car was to his liking, he probably

1051
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 5: could have done something, but the safe play would be

1052
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 5: Poto And the one thing I didn't mean to say

1053
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 5: speaking of that and the Penskes, and maybe it's data

1054
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 5: that I don't know Firestone can provide for the series

1055
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 5: or whatnot. But Rossi made a comment to me after

1056
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 5: the race that they first kind of looked ahead and thought, well,

1057
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 5: if there's a late race caution and seeing what the

1058
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 5: tires were like, we need to save a set. And

1059
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 5: he said they purposely in practice save they set to

1060
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 5: have available. So maybe the Penske cars maybe they didn't

1061
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 5: have a set or maybe I'm not sure, they're higher

1062
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 5: situation for the end of the race, But that was

1063
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 5: a thing that the ECR cars noticed and practice on

1064
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 5: Saturday that they better save at least a couple sets

1065
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 5: for seeing the potential late race restart. So that was

1066
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 5: also a decision kind of factored into decisions I think

1067
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 5: end that maybe that went into why the Pitske guy's

1068
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 5: in a pit or some of those other guys, But

1069
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Speaker 5: that was definitely a play and for your for your question,

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Speaker 5: I would definitely say Poto and ma Luke is probably

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00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 5: a strong second of that strategy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's remind you. Eric Smith joins us that on

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Speaker 1: indiecar dot Com we had a kind of an instant

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00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: recall look back on on Sunday's race. And one of

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00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: the points that I don't went into is that in

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00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen at Iowa, it was too what was then

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Speaker 1: Sarah Fisher Hartman Racing Cars, but basically two from Ed's

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00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: team if you will, Joseph Nugarten and Ed Carpenter. They

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00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: took tires for a late race, pitted sprint to the finish,

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01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: and came charging through the field to finish second and fifth.

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01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: So it's one of those kind of things on a

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Speaker 1: short oval when you have the opportunity to take new tires.

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Speaker 1: Actually in that race also burned Chip Ganassi Racing. Tony

1084
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: Kanan was the leader of that race, with Scott Dixon second.

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01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: But when you have the opportunity to take new tires

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01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: in a shootout on a short oval, it looks like

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Speaker 1: that's the play. Now, maybe you get bogged down in

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01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: traffic and you can't get there. And as I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: not everybody in the fourteen that did that strategy on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: not all of them were as productive as Christian Rasmussen.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, that's just something just to kind of throw

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Speaker 1: in there. Let's get back to in the box score.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned David Malucas. Actually we both mentioned him in

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01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: terms of what a gut punch that had to be

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01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: for him. He had to pit stop, air gun didn't

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Speaker 1: appear to work for him on the right front, lose

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01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: theres a lap in that session. He looked like one

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Speaker 1: of the few cars that could run with Alex Pulow's.

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Speaker 2: How was David after the race?

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Speaker 5: He was kind of subdued, just resigned to the fact

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01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 5: that this just keeps happening. They just keep having fast cars,

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01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 5: just results not to match the speed in the car.

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01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 2: And and that's I think a lot of people.

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01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 5: Don't understand what two of racing being a team sport,

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01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 5: that that's part of the package. You've got to be

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01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 5: solid on pitt lane. And I know we have the

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01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 5: pit performance chart that we get after each race and

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01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 5: you look at the same usual usual suspects up top

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01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 5: that are fighting for wins, and you look at like

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Speaker 5: the Lucas's team and nothing against his team, nothing against

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01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 5: those career guys. It's there's a reason the bigger teams

1112
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 5: have the best guys, the best equipment, the best pit stops.

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01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 5: I mean, they're just have all those resources. And Milucas's

1114
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 5: team is ranked eighteenth, and you look at the top

1115
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 5: and you got Dixie and Awards Crew and Pulow they're

1116
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 5: one two three, MCLA Aaron with wind guards fourth. And

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Speaker 5: it just has to be from the pitstand, the decision

1118
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 5: making to the pit stops that also is a factor.

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Speaker 2: And Malucas kind.

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Speaker 5: Of was heading to that that it just seems like

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01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 5: that's been par for the course this year. Is it

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Speaker 5: just we're not capitalizing on the speed we have and

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Speaker 5: he was a little subdued by but on the flip side,

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Speaker 5: he also was happy that, hey, we fought back, they

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01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 5: made the car better. It wasn't good early and we

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01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 5: still climbed back on the short oval, made up a

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Speaker 5: lap and grabbed the top ten finish.

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Speaker 2: So it was just kind of yes and no. A

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Speaker 2: good day for him, is what he said.

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Speaker 5: But he's happy to know that he's going to have

1131
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 5: a good car for Nashville and hopes he can end

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Speaker 5: the season with a win.

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Speaker 1: What do we make of Connor Daly's Afternoon if you will?

1134
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 1: Doesn't crack the top ten. He seemed to fade a

1135
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: little bit mid race. We saw a third place performance

1136
01:02:55,360 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: at him last year at the first of the these two

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01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: races at Milwaukee. What do you make of of Connor?

1138
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 1: And what did you get a chance to speak to

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01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: him afterwards?

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01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 2: I didn't.

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01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 5: He kind of bolted out of there and I think

1142
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 5: he was upset to a little bit. Just again, another

1143
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 5: fast car that it just seems like that's been their.

1144
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 2: Mo is too.

1145
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 5: It's just it's hard to it's hard to beat the

1146
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 5: big teams and all facets of a race, and I

1147
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 5: think maybe once they got kind of in that dirty

1148
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 5: air midpack and the handling went away, and it was

1149
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 5: fun start to watch him climb all the way up

1150
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 5: the fourth but I think early that's probably what I

1151
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 5: thought he'd finished, was the top five, and then it

1152
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 5: just kind of shocked me that he ended up thirteenth.

1153
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 5: So I know he's he wants more out of it,

1154
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 5: and he's he's admitted that he's fighting to try to

1155
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 5: audition for a job next year, to audition to find

1156
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 5: the funding to stay played, stay put with whun goes Honger.

1157
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 5: But it's just days like that or just ones that

1158
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 5: get away that that doesn't help.

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01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: Hey, credit where credit is due. We've talked mostly me,

1160
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 1: have said that Christian Liinguard is not going to take

1161
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: the next step in the championship pursuit until he is

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01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:10,439
Speaker 1: excelling on ovals. Give him a sixth place finish over

1163
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: the weekend, that's a he passed Scott Dixon or or

1164
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 1: Joseph Nugard and excuse me, passes Joseph late in the

1165
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: race to get sixth place. You know he's going to

1166
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 1: have to probably be a race winner on a short

1167
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 1: oval to win a championship as Alex Polo has done

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01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: and and you know certainly has taken the next step

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01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 1: there with with Polo, but lind Guard had a good

1170
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 1: weekend and and uh that's worth noting.

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01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 2: Oh for sure.

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Speaker 5: And I mean he's fourth in points, he's what's seven

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01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 5: back of Dixie for third and he I asked him

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01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 5: on the media call last week about just that with

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Speaker 5: the ovals and and he acknowledged that's that's the next

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01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 5: step for him, Like you like you've been saying, and

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01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 5: you look at the oval points in particular, just just

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01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 5: scoring points on ovals, he's eighth. He's had a decent

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01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 5: season on hi He's got three top six finishes, so

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01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 5: that his next step is going to be taking those

1181
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 5: kind of six, seventh, eighth oval finishes and turning those

1182
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 5: next year to top fives and then maybe the year after

1183
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 5: that those have to be podiums and wins. And he's

1184
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 5: right there because not on the road course, which our

1185
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 5: points have road and street courses all factored into one,

1186
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 5: he's second. He's got the second most road and street

1187
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 5: course points accumulated for the season. He's eighth and ovals,

1188
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 5: so he's getting better. He's that he's improved his average

1189
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:38,439
Speaker 5: finish every year on ovals, but he's that's the next

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01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 5: step to be eighth and saying that's the who's to

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01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 5: say that he can't be a future champion here soon?

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01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 5: I mean this quickly, be this good with McLaren. I

1193
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 5: think sky's the limit for him.

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01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 1: Alexander Russ he gets one of his I guess most

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01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 1: memorable drives of the season. Uh he was what fifth

1196
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 1: last week? Backs it up with another Let's see he

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01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 1: was fourth. So kind of a good close to the

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Speaker 1: season if you will for Alex.

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Speaker 2: Oh for sure.

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Speaker 5: And I joked with him too after the race was

1201
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 5: it's Ed Carpenter became a strategist because Tim Broyles, they

1202
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 5: decided to take for Ed Carpenter racing. The next step

1203
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 5: he needed to step off the pitstand and be the

1204
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 5: president and grow the team. And Ed decided to shift

1205
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 5: over to start calling Alex's races.

1206
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Speaker 2: And those two are good friends.

1207
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 5: They share planes and they're they just know each other's

1208
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 5: cadence well of them and that started in Portland and

1209
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 5: finish his fifth, so they had a good laugh about that.

1210
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 5: And then here we are in a short oval and

1211
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 5: he gets another top five. He's two for two for

1212
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 5: top five finishes with that carpenter on his pit box

1213
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 5: and I joked, I think you're got a campaign to

1214
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 5: keep ed for next season, and he had a laugh

1215
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 5: about that. But they're they're firing in all cylinders right now.

1216
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 5: And as Alex said that, they're they're in a much

1217
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 5: better spot entering Saint Petersburg in twenty twenty six and

1218
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 5: they were this year. He said, it's it's one thing

1219
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 5: to have an infusion of investors and resources, but you

1220
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 5: have to build the really see the fruits of that labor.

1221
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 5: And he feels they're they're way better position. And wait,

1222
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:19,439
Speaker 5: they're a well oiled machine right now. That yeah, they're

1223
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 5: they're fighting against the heavy hitters and who's to say

1224
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 5: that he can't flain in Victor Lane at some point

1225
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:24,919
Speaker 5: next year too.

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01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 1: Well, let's take a quick break and we'll come back.

1227
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 1: I want to bring Eric and his thoughts into some

1228
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 1: of the other big topics of the of the day.

1229
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 1: We'll get to all those things here when when tracksid

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01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: returns in just a few minutes.

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Speaker 2: Hi, this is.

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Speaker 3: Poto Award and you're listening to truck Side.

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01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 1: All right, Segment five for Trackside Tonight it's going to

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01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 1: be just a few more days and we'll be getting

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01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 1: to the season finale. I guess you know we're going

1236
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 1: to debate this a little bit this week on indiecar

1237
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 1: dot Com. Eric, and we know the season has been

1238
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 1: over for some time in terms of the championship and

1239
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:08,439
Speaker 1: Alex Pulo's dominance is the what is the big thing

1240
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 1: that you'll take away from Alex's season this year? What's

1241
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 1: number one for you? I know the night five hundred

1242
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 1: is probably it, but what takes precedent for you?

1243
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 2: I know?

1244
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 5: And on Wednesday when Arms comes out and talk about mine,

1245
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 5: about how he I thought Roade America to him was

1246
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 5: a turning point, just because the door was cracked from

1247
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 5: kind of getting punted by little David Detroit and finishing

1248
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:37,520
Speaker 5: twenty fifth and then Worldwide Technology Raceway's.

1249
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 2: He was eighth. He was solid, but that's kind.

1250
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 5: Of where a short oval program was, and so it

1251
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 5: kind of like, oh, well, maybe the championship's not over

1252
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:46,679
Speaker 5: with yet. And then he comes out and just makes

1253
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 5: that statement and wrote America qualifies on the front row,

1254
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 5: wins the race and shows he's kind of flexs his

1255
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:55,680
Speaker 5: muscle there. But I look at that and honestly, his

1256
01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 5: getting the short oval win I think was that monkey

1257
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,679
Speaker 5: off the back that was as we talked about loon guard.

1258
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 5: That was kind of Pilo's thing. Was he got the

1259
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:08,879
Speaker 5: Indy five hundred win. That's a super speedway. But short ovals,

1260
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 5: he's always said were kind of his kryptonite. He just

1261
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 5: wasn't comfortable, and for him to win at Iowa, I

1262
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 5: just think then leading one hundred and ninety nine more

1263
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 5: lapse on Sunday in Milwaukee, it's scary for the field

1264
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 5: for next year, know, and it's like, how do you

1265
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 5: stop this guy? Even the ones that he says his

1266
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 5: weakest link and he's still out there leading a bunch

1267
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 5: of laps in winning. So I would say the Road

1268
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 5: America win kind of made a statement. But his short

1269
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 5: oval program and kind of being that all around well

1270
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 5: disciplined driver, it's to me that sent shock waves through

1271
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 5: the drivers because how are you going to beat him?

1272
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:46,679
Speaker 5: And unless he beats himself, which he's shown that rarely happens,

1273
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 5: how do you beat the guy? So short ovals is

1274
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 5: now no longer a question mark for Alex Pelow anymore.

1275
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 5: And I know that was our main thing. We kind

1276
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 5: of previewed in the off season leading in was when's

1277
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 5: Alex plogan and went on an oval he's not only

1278
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 5: one one, he's won two when he probably should have

1279
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 5: three right now heading into the season final.

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01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: You know that's absolutely true. Obviously, the NDY five hundred

1281
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 1: is the big breakthrough from a kind of a big

1282
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:14,640
Speaker 1: picture standpoint. Also, go back to the fact that and

1283
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:16,719
Speaker 1: I think we mentioned this a little bit last week

1284
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 1: on the show, but he he has led seemingly every

1285
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: practice session, every qualifying session. I mean, I know that's

1286
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:29,599
Speaker 1: not exactly the case, but certainly he's taken a big

1287
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 1: step in being, you know, dominant at all levels of

1288
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 1: a race weekend, more so even just than races themselves.

1289
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 1: I just was looking he had six polls coming into

1290
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 1: this season, he won six poles already this season, and

1291
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 1: just as the number of practices that he led. You know,

1292
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 1: you're looking at you look, you're watching the timing and

1293
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 1: scoring on a particular practice, and you look up and

1294
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's second or third, and you think, well,

1295
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 1: he's kind of right there, and then he rips off

1296
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 1: a big lap and he's like eight tenths of a

1297
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 1: second faster than the field. His practice times and his

1298
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 1: qualifying times are just staggering. And just the amount of

1299
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 1: time he's dominated this sport this year.

1300
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 2: Oh for sure. And we've talked about that too.

1301
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:23,639
Speaker 5: That's just you just look at first practice on Friday

1302
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 5: and everybody just kind of comes into the session. They're

1303
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 5: just kind of focusing on the cells and focusing to

1304
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 5: get better than you look at midway through the session

1305
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 5: and there's the ten car there he is right on top,

1306
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 5: and it just got to be to moralize. See, it's like,

1307
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:38,680
Speaker 5: what can we do with this guy? Just it's not

1308
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 5: like he evolves, even as the weekend they roll off

1309
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 5: the truck and their quickest and it's just it's hard

1310
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 5: to beat him. And that's I've been getting some quotes

1311
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 5: for accumulating the last couple of races on the drivers

1312
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 5: and what is he doing? And like ROSSI told us

1313
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 5: in Portland that he's like I've talked to his teammates

1314
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 5: and even they are like, I see his dad and

1315
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 5: he just shrugs. He's like even they don't they could

1316
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:06,599
Speaker 5: see what he's doing and still can't replicate it.

1317
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 2: It's just it's phenomenal.

1318
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 5: It's we're literally witnessing a generational type talent right in

1319
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 5: front of us. And it's when everybody tells you that,

1320
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 5: and then all of a sudden you see what he

1321
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 5: does in practices. It's I was watching him Sunday and

1322
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 5: I just I was going to ask the drivers for

1323
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 5: the bullpen in Nashville this weekend. Is is Alex Polo

1324
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 5: pulling behind up behind you? Is it like the NASCAR

1325
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 5: when the black three of the intimidator dal Arnhardt pulling

1326
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:34,599
Speaker 5: up me, and it's like, you know, it's not gonna

1327
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 5: be very long. I'm gonna hold this guy off. I mean,

1328
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 5: it just seems alan timidating. Has it got to be

1329
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 5: to on first practice, like you said, he's P one,

1330
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 5: and then you see him in the race and he's

1331
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 5: right there behind you, and it just it was incredible.

1332
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 5: I was watching the lap times when the first like

1333
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 5: our first sequence of stops are happening yesterday or Sunday

1334
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:58,719
Speaker 5: in Milwaukee, and Alex Polow on older tires was running

1335
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:00,640
Speaker 5: two miles an hour quicker than the guys that just

1336
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 5: took new tires. And he's fifty laps into a run.

1337
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 5: It's just special. Just what this guy does as special

1338
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 5: and I'm just curious. Like to your question, I was

1339
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 5: going to ask that in Nashville is just what does

1340
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:15,560
Speaker 5: that do to your psyche that the guy you're chasing.

1341
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 2: And you're wanting to be the one that you're.

1342
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 5: You're all chasing after just jumps out the p one

1343
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:21,599
Speaker 5: early in the weekend.

1344
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 2: Just how do you chase him? Or are you chasing

1345
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 2: your car? Like? Which direction do you go down? At

1346
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 2: that point?

1347
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 1: Not really a question here, Eric Smith joins his IndyCar

1348
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 1: dot com is where you can find most of his

1349
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 1: work these days.

1350
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 2: This isn't really a question.

1351
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 1: It's just something I had thought about the other day

1352
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 1: while I was driving down the highway, and I think,

1353
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 1: I want to go back and maybe you can remember

1354
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 1: some moments, but I just can't. But I want to

1355
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:49,240
Speaker 1: go back, and I want to watch a handful of

1356
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 1: races from the twenty twenty season when nobody knew who

1357
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 1: Alex Pelow was. Even Dale Coyn probably didn't know much

1358
01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:00,680
Speaker 1: about him other than they had hired him. But just

1359
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 1: to watch how the broadcasters spoke about him, what was said,

1360
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 1: you know, just his how he handled himself in the

1361
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,800
Speaker 1: very limited number of times that he actually appeared on

1362
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:18,760
Speaker 1: the broadcast in a question type situation interview process. It

1363
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:23,799
Speaker 1: just seems like it feels like forever ago that twenty

1364
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:28,640
Speaker 1: twenty was upon us, not from the COVID standpoint, just

1365
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 1: from an Alex Polo come out of nowhere standpoint. So

1366
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 1: I'd like to go back and watch and just see

1367
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 1: how we thought about him, because this is there has

1368
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 1: in my mind. The only one that comes to mind

1369
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 1: that is similar is the way Montoya came into this

1370
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 1: program in his champ card days. But even then, you

1371
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:55,599
Speaker 1: know he was from the European Formula one ladder system.

1372
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 1: He was very well regarded. Alex was not that so anyway,

1373
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 1: just an observation. I don't know if you have anything

1374
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 1: from that twenty season that just strikes you, but it's

1375
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 1: just amazing how he had, how far he's come.

1376
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 5: Oh for sure, that's a great point, because I do

1377
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:14,800
Speaker 5: wonder how they kind of covered him. He kind of

1378
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 5: first came on the radar. I remember sitting in the

1379
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 5: twenty twenty in the media cinemy. He made at that

1380
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 5: point was the Fast nine shootout. Now we've since gone

1381
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 5: to twelve and like, who is this guy who's got

1382
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 5: the dale Coin car that is in the Fast nine shootout,

1383
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 5: and I believe he qualified seventh or eighty. I know,

1384
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 5: I think it was Row three, And honestly I had

1385
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 5: him and Chip and Mike Hole and those guys are

1386
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 5: will mention that that's kind of when he came to

1387
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:42,719
Speaker 5: their radar.

1388
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 2: Was they kind of like, who said that? Who is

1389
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:46,599
Speaker 2: this guy?

1390
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 5: And they kind of had to pass ember Dario said

1391
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 5: this and Gasoline ally, they just kind of passed each other,

1392
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 5: and Alex made mention that he didn't have anything set

1393
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:57,640
Speaker 5: for next season and he would love to eventually be

1394
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 5: part of Chip Gannassi Racing, and so they just all right,

1395
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 5: we'll take an eye. And then Chip mentioned that it

1396
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 5: really was Card Day when they kind of moved finally

1397
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 5: to the their Brace Day pit boxes and they were

1398
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 5: pit next to him and just seeing his mannerisms and

1399
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 5: watching how he evolved through that wild month, and I

1400
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:23,599
Speaker 5: just kind of sealed the deal for them. And but yeah,

1401
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:26,599
Speaker 5: just kind of they're like because other than up until

1402
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 5: that point, he had two top ten finishes, they're both

1403
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 5: in the Road America Doubleheader weekend, and that was early

1404
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 5: on and it was just okay until then, and then

1405
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 5: I don't think we could have foreseen then what he'd become, now,

1406
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 5: that's for sure.

1407
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 1: You know, we look at particular years you forget kind

1408
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:47,720
Speaker 1: of how the landscape was. But do you remember who

1409
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:51,680
Speaker 1: Alex Polo's teammate was at dale Coin Racing in twenty twenty.

1410
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 2: Ooh Santinoo, you know, yeah, Andantino Ferrucci.

1411
01:16:57,320 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 1: What a pairing that was.

1412
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 2: Ferrucci can pull Ferrucci and Polo.

1413
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 1: And in fact, I'm probably this is not a staff

1414
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 1: meeting we're having, but I'm going to dig into some

1415
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 1: more of the dale Coin moments because I think Renas

1416
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 1: Vick has been another one, not necessarily on Pelo's, you

1417
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:22,560
Speaker 1: know level, but he's been one of those guys that

1418
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 1: has had an outstanding season. And maybe we haven't talked

1419
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 1: enough about Rena's VK, but I look at a couple

1420
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:33,720
Speaker 1: of the other years of dale Coin Racing, one of

1421
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:36,759
Speaker 1: which stands out, not just twenty twenty, but in twenty

1422
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 1: twenty two, the pairing at dale Coin Racing was David

1423
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 1: Malucas and Takumasato. So what a great pairing that was

1424
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 1: as well. And I think it just speaks to how

1425
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 1: good Dale has been at recognizing talent. I mean, Alex

1426
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 1: Polo isn't here three championships in a row four and

1427
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:58,720
Speaker 1: five years without the influence of Dale Coin. Obviously, Dale's

1428
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 1: you know, had Justin Wilson, Sebastian Boorday and other big,

1429
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 1: big names in his program for a variety of reasons.

1430
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 1: But they've had a masterful season many years, and in

1431
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:15,680
Speaker 1: particular this year with Rena's vk any thoughts on do

1432
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:18,559
Speaker 1: you think Renus is back with this team? What kind

1433
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:20,720
Speaker 1: of odds would you give him to be somewhere else

1434
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 1: next year?

1435
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:24,800
Speaker 2: I would say it's pretty high to be back. I

1436
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 2: think so too.

1437
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 5: I think so too, because, like you and Kevin have

1438
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 5: been saying, really the last month, where's he going to go?

1439
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 2: That's better?

1440
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 5: And for this situation, because they're clearly outperforming a lot

1441
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 5: of the quote unquote rides here that are going to

1442
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 5: be open at the end of the season. They're already

1443
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:46,800
Speaker 5: better than them right now. And I think a lot

1444
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 5: of people forget too. He was literally the last driver named,

1445
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 5: the last full time driver.

1446
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 2: Name to the seat.

1447
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 5: They only had one small test day coming to Saint

1448
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 5: Pete back in March, and he fired off a top

1449
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 5: ten finished day and then you just look at what

1450
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:05,640
Speaker 5: he's done this season. It's just incredible for being that

1451
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 5: team didn't have as a team with several different drivers

1452
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 5: last year, they didn't even have a top ten finish.

1453
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 5: And what Renas is doing this year and the combination

1454
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 5: and getting Michael Cannon over there and talking to Michael

1455
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:21,799
Speaker 5: Cannon and Portland and how high he is on Renus,

1456
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 5: and a lot of people don't realize how many good

1457
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 5: drivers Michael Cannon has worked with in his situation. And

1458
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 5: he told he compared Renus to Alex Plow when a

1459
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 5: Simon paganode he sees out of him. So I think

1460
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 5: people to forget that Renus. He's still young. He came

1461
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 5: in at a very young age. He's only twenty four

1462
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:44,639
Speaker 5: right now. So his stock, he told me on Friday,

1463
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:47,639
Speaker 5: is he doesn't feel like his stock has ever been higher.

1464
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:50,680
Speaker 5: Does he wish things could have been different with Ed

1465
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 5: Carpenter Racing, Sure, he admits that, but he also is

1466
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 5: what you've been saying. He also said, is sometimes you

1467
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:01,439
Speaker 5: just need a fresh start. Sometimes both opportunities just need

1468
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 5: a complete fresh start. And I think you can look

1469
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:05,680
Speaker 5: at it and say this is the rare moment and

1470
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 5: worked out for both of them. The twenty one car

1471
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:10,519
Speaker 5: wins on Sunday with the rest of me soon and

1472
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 5: Renas has really rejuvenated his career and kind of sent

1473
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:18,799
Speaker 5: us a jolt through the whole Dale Corn Racing operation.

1474
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:21,759
Speaker 5: And I just I don't see anywhere on the horizon

1475
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 5: that he could go that's going to be a better

1476
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 5: situation next year than what he's at right now.

1477
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 1: I think so too. Eric Smith joins us, all right,

1478
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 1: your last five bucks? Uh, you don't get to have

1479
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:34,160
Speaker 1: lunch if you don't get this one right. Where does

1480
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 1: where does will power drive next year?

1481
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 2: Last?

1482
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 1: Your last five dollars? One one pick now? Don't give

1483
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:41,560
Speaker 1: me three options?

1484
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 2: Now?

1485
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:48,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, where's your best? Where's your best? Guess It's tough.

1486
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 2: It's a tough one because there are some rumors you here.

1487
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 5: I'm going to say, I'm going to say ends up

1488
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:02,720
Speaker 5: with ANDRETTI I'm going to say somehow they figure out.

1489
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 2: I just struggle.

1490
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 5: I struggle to think Team Penske will cut ties with him.

1491
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 5: But as as you and Kevin have also been saying,

1492
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 5: sometimes good news doesn't get delayed this long, and I

1493
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:17,479
Speaker 5: just struggle to think that he'll be back when they

1494
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:20,840
Speaker 5: keep telling him to wait till after Nashville, because he's

1495
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 5: mentioned on the record that he's free to look elsewhere,

1496
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 5: wants to check the flag falls at Nashville super Speedway

1497
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 5: this weekend.

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01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 2: And I just don't know how you let a driver

1499
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:33,080
Speaker 2: like that, if.

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01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 5: You had any plans on bringing a back, get to

1501
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 5: that point, which leads me to believe he's got to

1502
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 5: look elsewhere. And I just don't know, Like what we're

1503
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 5: saying with greenis I don't know many other rides out

1504
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:46,080
Speaker 5: there that is going to be a better situation, or

1505
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 5: you got to also think of teams that are funded

1506
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 5: that can afford him, because I don't I don't see

1507
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 5: Will coming in and wanting to bring a bunch of

1508
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 5: money for a seat. He's he's earned the right to

1509
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:59,679
Speaker 5: be paid. So I'd say I put my five dollars

1510
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:00,599
Speaker 5: on in Aready Global.

1511
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:04,720
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going to put my my five dollars on

1512
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 1: a one race deal with Team Penske, and he's going

1513
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:11,720
Speaker 1: to have a sports car ride next year. But if

1514
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 1: he stays in this series and he's you know, the

1515
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:17,479
Speaker 1: other one to look at. And I know we've heard

1516
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 1: from Zach Brown, but have we really heard from Zach

1517
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 1: Brown on on Will power. You know, is that is

1518
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 1: that just the kind of splash that Zach Brown would

1519
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 1: would make. I don't think so. I think I think

1520
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 1: Nolan Siegel will be back. But you know, you go

1521
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 1: back to and Kevin and I discussed this a little

1522
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:38,759
Speaker 1: bit last week.

1523
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:39,719
Speaker 2: Or I threw it at him.

1524
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:43,200
Speaker 1: Aeron McLaren had David Milucas and now David Milucas is

1525
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:45,160
Speaker 1: the hot seat to team Penske.

1526
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

1527
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:51,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. Your five dollars is probably as good

1528
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:57,760
Speaker 1: an opportunities to be right as mine, maybe better. I

1529
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:00,800
Speaker 1: just this sport is better with will power in it.

1530
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:03,920
Speaker 1: That's that's I guess where I'd leave it.

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01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 5: It is and you ought to look to which I

1532
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 5: know we've speculated behind the scenes a few months ago.

1533
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 2: If like the Aero McLaren is cause somebody find the

1534
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:17,599
Speaker 2: right situation. Who said it had to be a chartered car?

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01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 5: I mean willpower is one of the greatest qualifiers of

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01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:24,479
Speaker 5: this generation. I mean he's got the most polls in

1537
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 5: the history of the sport, so he can knows how

1538
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 5: to qualify a non chartered car. So if you're Aaron

1539
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 5: McLaren and you can come up with the funding. Why

1540
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:36,680
Speaker 5: couldn't you run Willpower in a fourth non chartered car.

1541
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 5: They got the space they're moving into the new building.

1542
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 5: That was always a huge detriment to them is what

1543
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:44,760
Speaker 5: they're the way they're the current building was constructed, was

1544
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:47,680
Speaker 5: they didn't have the space to add a fourth car. Well,

1545
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 5: now they're going to have the space to add a

1546
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 5: fourth car. We know they've done in the eighty five hundred,

1547
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 5: so it's possible. But Zach has been I feel like

1548
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:00,720
Speaker 5: a lot of times he's an open book, and he

1549
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 5: keeps saying that he's not talked to Will. So it's

1550
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 5: just hard to believe that he Zach knowing that Will's

1551
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:08,960
Speaker 5: out there and he wouldn't take the chance and just hey,

1552
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:09,679
Speaker 5: well we'll.

1553
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:10,719
Speaker 2: Sign them and figure out later.

1554
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 5: I did ask Nolan just for some off season content

1555
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:18,559
Speaker 5: that we'll have on any car dot com, just working

1556
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 5: with Kyle Moyer and what the plans were for this

1557
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:24,439
Speaker 5: offseason as he set for next year, and he told

1558
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 5: me he was but I could see the concern on

1559
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 5: the look on his face of though I have to

1560
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:32,840
Speaker 5: deliver next year like this, there is no following year.

1561
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:34,920
Speaker 5: If I don't deliver next year, there is no the

1562
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:37,800
Speaker 5: year after like he was, he pretty well is dead

1563
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 5: pain like this, I'm back, but this can't happen. This

1564
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:45,800
Speaker 5: season cannot be replicated next year. So that tells me

1565
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 5: that he does believe and is told he is back

1566
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:51,599
Speaker 5: next year, but we're I would say that Ry could be.

1567
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 2: There, but I.

1568
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:56,639
Speaker 5: The other thing is there are rumors of any teams

1569
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 5: that there do We have twenty seven cars at races

1570
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 5: that where maybe the the non chartered cars not even

1571
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 5: an option. But I get the aesthetics of a team

1572
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 5: Penske puts together a fourth car and they're stealing a

1573
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 5: spot from another team.

1574
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 2: That could look bad.

1575
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 5: But it just seems, I guess, until it actually happens.

1576
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:17,280
Speaker 5: It just seems unfathomable that Willpower will not be a

1577
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:19,880
Speaker 5: Team Penske driver next year in some sort of fashion,

1578
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 5: someone some fashion.

1579
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:24,799
Speaker 1: So last race of the season, last question, we're running,

1580
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:28,280
Speaker 1: run out of time. We actually have to end this discussion.

1581
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 1: But last race of the season, Colton Hurda came through

1582
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:36,639
Speaker 1: one last year. Any surprises any of these guys. Jose

1583
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 1: with new Garden still hasn't won a race. McLachlin still

1584
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:41,720
Speaker 1: hasn't won a race. They along with her to one

1585
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:45,479
Speaker 1: races multiple races last year. Short answer, who you got

1586
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 1: for this weekend?

1587
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 5: I'm your guy in Newgard and the one used to

1588
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 5: I just struggle to think that he's going to go winless.

1589
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 5: He's won at least one race every year since twenty fifteen,

1590
01:25:57,479 --> 01:26:00,160
Speaker 5: he's won at least one on an oval for the

1591
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 5: last decade, and just I know he's had a terrible year,

1592
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:08,800
Speaker 5: but his home race, last race of the season, he

1593
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 5: was good there last year. I just get the feeling

1594
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 5: eventually something's gonna work for him, So I'll go Joseph.

1595
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:18,360
Speaker 5: I also want to be shocked to Vallex Flow comes

1596
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 5: out there and does a similar thing he just did

1597
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:23,599
Speaker 5: in Milwaukee and wins a game. But I'll go with Joseph.

1598
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 5: I think that at some point they're going to figure

1599
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:29,559
Speaker 5: this out. And they were all right in Milwaukee, like

1600
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 5: I said, they were third coming that final pit stop

1601
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:36,080
Speaker 5: that they didn't take. So I just I think Joseph

1602
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 5: will do it.

1603
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:37,680
Speaker 2: I think so too.

1604
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:40,240
Speaker 1: I think those are my two picks as well, Joseph

1605
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 1: and probably more likely a dominance by Alex below. Eric Smith,

1606
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:48,160
Speaker 1: Thanks thanks for joining us, Thanks for a little insight,

1607
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:50,640
Speaker 1: for continuing to go to races and your love of

1608
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 1: the sport. We'll keep reading. Kevin will be back to

1609
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:55,759
Speaker 1: close things out when Trackside returns.

1610
01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 2: Hi, this is David Lucas and you're listening to track Side.

1611
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:03,200
Speaker 3: Okay, what we missed? I missed congratulating my friend Parker

1612
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 3: Kligerman on winning for the second time at Daytona this

1613
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 3: year in a stock car and not technically winning the race.

1614
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:13,800
Speaker 3: He was the relief driver for Connor Zilich and won

1615
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,840
Speaker 3: the Infinity race on Friday night. That was really, really cool.

1616
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:20,760
Speaker 3: He had won the truck race at Daytona in February,

1617
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:25,519
Speaker 3: but an obscure rule technicality didn't pass tech. He's not

1618
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 3: a full time broadcaster, so there's hope for all of us.

1619
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 3: Twitter questions, Ryan Robinson asked schedule release date. I don't

1620
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 3: have one. I'll say this, I'll be surprised if it

1621
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 3: happens this weekend. It might, but I'm not sure that

1622
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 3: everything is fully buttoned up. Maybe we get something that's

1623
01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 3: in question released this week leading up to it. Maybe

1624
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:51,599
Speaker 3: they confirm and just say, hey, St. Pete's the opener

1625
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,679
Speaker 3: next year as well, and we know that NASCAR trucks

1626
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:57,599
Speaker 3: are going to be there. And some IndyCar and former

1627
01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:01,679
Speaker 3: more likely former IndyCar drivers are raising their hands saying, hey,

1628
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:04,840
Speaker 3: I'll have me some of that other schedule things. I

1629
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:06,600
Speaker 3: went over a lot last week, and I think some

1630
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 3: of the things and theories I mentioned are in play.

1631
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 3: Maybe Phoenix combined with NASCAR. I'm not hearing a lot

1632
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:16,679
Speaker 3: of conversation about Watkins Glenn. I wondered if maybe trucks

1633
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:19,519
Speaker 3: can combine there, but that schedule came out. Trucks are

1634
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:22,800
Speaker 3: not there, so can't rule it out. I'm not sure

1635
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 3: if everything is all done at this point. A lot

1636
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 3: of other questions. I don't have time, Unfortunately, Indy kar

1637
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:34,919
Speaker 3: Ken says, can you mention the CUSIC announcement on Wednesday?

1638
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:37,519
Speaker 3: Will mention it when they announce it. I know what

1639
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:40,599
Speaker 3: they're announcing, so I think that's their announcement. So we

1640
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 3: can talk about that next week and beyond. Once we

1641
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:47,200
Speaker 3: get word what they're doing, that's it. We'll see you

1642
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 3: next Tuesday two pm Eastern is when we're on the

1643
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 3: air on Fox in about a two forty five green

1644
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:57,960
Speaker 3: flag the season finale from Nashville Superspeedway coming up on Sunday,

1645
01:28:57,960 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 3: and also here on the radio,