1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: So a big expose yesterday in the Indie Star telling 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: us sort of what we already knew, but in more 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: detail about what a complete dumpster fire the Joe Hogg 4 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: said administration is running the City of Indianapolis. It's Kennelly 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,799 Speaker 1: Casey show. I'm Rob Casey's out today. Ethan Hatcher in 6 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 1: for Casey. Let's see what the Republicans and Marion County 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: are saying about this bombshell piece in the Indie Star. 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 2: Joined now in. 9 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: The WIBC Hotline by Josh Bain, member of the Indianapolis 10 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: City County Council. 11 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: Okay, Josh. 12 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: Essentially, what this article says or alleges is that Thomas 13 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: Carl Cook, the right hand man for many, many years 14 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: of Joe Hawk, said he was involved in a romantic 15 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: relationship with a woman by the name of Scarlett Andrews. 16 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: She led the city's Department of Metropolitan Development and then 17 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: was the Deputy Mayor for Economic Development. 18 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,599 Speaker 2: A bunch of Cook's. 19 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: Clients when he went to a large law firm in 20 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: the City of Indianapolis, ended up getting big incentives from 21 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: the city. It looks really bad, but that's part of 22 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: the course with the Hog set administration these days, what 23 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: say you yeah? 24 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 3: Anyway, I think that's a great summary of it. I 25 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 3: think the one thing that we all need to be 26 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 3: aware of, as well as the timeline of all this 27 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 3: and what did the mayor know and win, because it 28 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 3: seems that this was reported to CITYHR pretty early on. 29 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 3: City HR recommended terminating Thomas Cook and then not allowing 30 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 3: the deputy mayor or I think she was department director 31 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 3: at the time, to receive any promotions. 32 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 4: Neither of those happened. 33 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 3: In fact, they were both elevated either within the hawk 34 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 3: seat circle or even within the city administration. So it 35 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 3: seems that this is a clear and blatant abuse of 36 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 3: public trust and the city's tax dollars. 37 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: Eighty million dollars was the number that was thrown out 38 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,279 Speaker 1: in this piece in terms of when Cook leaves Thomas 39 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: Carl Cook leaves Hogshet's administration goes to this high profile 40 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: law firm, and then eighty million dollars in terms of 41 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: publicans incentives to his clients. That is a staggering amount 42 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: of money that this lady, who he was clearly involved 43 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: in a romantic relationship with, appeared to be in part 44 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 1: approving or helping approve to his clients. 45 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 3: And if you look at the text messages that were 46 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 3: shared in that Indie Star here Indy story that they 47 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 3: worked together on, it seems that they almost orchestrated this 48 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 3: relationship and that this was going to be their approach, 49 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 3: that he was going to go off into the private sector, 50 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 3: she was going to stay there, and they were just 51 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 3: going to funnel projects through the city. They were not 52 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 3: going to have to meet the same standards that every 53 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 3: other project development needs. They were carved out of all 54 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 3: different kinds of requirements. And then it goes a step 55 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 3: further in the fact that the mayor was working with 56 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 3: Thomas Cook at the time after he was already quote 57 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 3: unquote let go of the city, which obviously he wasn't 58 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 3: let go, but he was funneling political contributions to the mayor. Meanwhile, 59 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 3: the mayor knows all of this is going on, He's 60 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 3: known for years that all of this is going on, 61 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 3: and he's just sitting there ricking in all the cash 62 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 3: based off of this devious relationship. 63 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: Josh Bain from the Indianapolis City County Council is our guest. Okay, 64 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: so what when do your Democrat colleagues do something about 65 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: all of this. I mean, I feel like essentially nothing 66 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: happened to hog Set as a result of the uh, 67 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: the investigation, the exposes that came out about him knowing 68 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: about what Thomas Carl Cook was his harassment I guess 69 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: would be the right word of women that were his 70 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: subordinates when he was in the mayor's office. It seems 71 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: like nothing happened there. When do your Democrat colleagues say, hey, man, 72 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: enough is enough. Your administration's at dumpster fire. We got 73 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: to do something. 74 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think this article even did the City 75 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 3: County Council in a very accurate picture of just being 76 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 3: a rubber stamp for. 77 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 5: The Hauted administration. And there's a reason why. 78 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 3: The City County Council is like the laughing stock of 79 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 3: local government throughout the state of Indiana. 80 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 4: It's because they're just a rubber stamp. 81 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 3: They you know, they hold all this authority, but they 82 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 3: don't even I don't know if they don't you know 83 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 3: that they have it, or that they're just complacent or 84 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 3: lazy or what. I don't really know what it is. 85 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 4: But it showed that all of these deals, a lot 86 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 4: of them go. 87 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 3: Through the City County Council, which I think if I 88 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 3: were a Democrat on the City County Council, you know, obviously, 89 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 3: as a Republican, I'm upset about this, but if it's 90 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 3: my own party doing this to me, where they have 91 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 3: all these relationships, you know, there's this relationship between the 92 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 3: developer and then a person within the upper echelon of 93 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 3: the city administration, and they're getting all these deals. 94 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 4: Then they go and they present this to the City County. 95 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 5: Council and they're like, yeah, this is why it's going 96 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 5: to be so good, so great. 97 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 3: You know, clearly the Democrats didn't push back on it 98 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 3: to find out of any attrition, But the mayor knew 99 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 3: about these relationships and did not disclose them to the 100 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 3: City County Council. So the council was blindly voting on 101 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 3: all of these economic development deals without even knowing all 102 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 3: the backstory and all of the secret relationships that's going 103 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 3: on here. So if I were a Democrat, man, I 104 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 3: would be so upset about this. But I don't even 105 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 3: know if one of them has put anything out yet, 106 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 3: and you know, this is their own party, you would 107 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 3: think that they would step up to the plate and 108 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 3: you know, try to at least defend themselves to find like, well, 109 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 3: I didn't know about this, you know, it's. 110 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,239 Speaker 5: Very disappointing that I was never brought. 111 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 4: Up to speed deal. You don't even see any of that, 112 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 4: you know. 113 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 3: And so far, I think only three of the Democrats 114 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 3: have called for him to resign, which is even more disappointing. Again, 115 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 3: it's within their own party. You think they would take 116 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 3: accountability for their own party. 117 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: Josh Bain, Republican and the Indianapolis City Cuty councils our 118 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: guest a couple of minutes left with him. We're talking 119 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 1: about this big expose that came out yesterday Indie Star Mirror, 120 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: Indie about more information. It just seems like it's always 121 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: just new stuff coming out about Joe hog Set, Thomas 122 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: Carl Cook, the former and deputy mayor. I believe he's 123 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:09,679 Speaker 1: chief of staff. And this relationship that Thomas Carl Cook, 124 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: once he left the hog Seat administration, had with a 125 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: high profile individual that remained in the Mayor's office, and 126 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: the millions and millions of dollars that went to Thomas 127 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: Carl Cook's clients economic development projects. 128 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 2: Okay, so what is what was the lure of. 129 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: Hog Set to Thomas Carl Cook because this guy seems 130 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: like the most uncompelling person imaginable, and yet there was 131 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: some what appears to be almost like an addiction hog 132 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: Set had to this guy. Were no matter what shenanigans 133 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: he was pulling, hog Set kept saying, sign me up 134 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: for more of that. 135 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 5: Yeah. I can't figure it out either, Rob. I mean, 136 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 5: you look at it. 137 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 3: It's not like, look at the demographics in the electoral 138 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 3: history of the past twenty years, like fifteen twenty years 139 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 3: here in Indianapolis. It's not like you need this high 140 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 3: power political consultant to run a Democrat mayoral campaign in 141 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 3: Indianapolis to be successful. You know, like the debt is 142 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 3: stacked with you, but like everything is in your favor, 143 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 3: So it's not like you need to you know, oh 144 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 3: my goodness, he's so good, Like he truly understands, you know, 145 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 3: the Indianapolis electoral landscape. 146 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 4: That's why we need someone like Tom. 147 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 3: Like no anybody anybody could run for a Democrat mayor 148 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 3: and then you know, odds are. 149 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 4: You're going to win. 150 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 5: And so that's what's really confusing about it. 151 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 4: It's like, what did he have? 152 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 3: What does he know, and you know, I think one 153 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 3: thing I'm really looking forward to is the fact that 154 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 3: this is only part one in the Indie Star Mirror 155 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 3: Indian investigation, and on the topic of just the electoral history, 156 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 3: you see that a city county councilor named in Rogue 157 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 3: Ray is listed in that as being the only Democrat 158 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 3: or counselor the ever pushed back on any of these 159 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 3: economic development deals. 160 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 4: Now, I don't know if he. 161 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 3: Knew about this relationship or not, but if you go 162 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 3: back to twenty twenty, who was the number one target 163 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 3: in the Democrat primary in all twenty five City Kuinty 164 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 3: council races, it was Monroe Gray. 165 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 4: So it seems that this just continues. 166 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 3: The pattern that if you call out any improprieties, you know, 167 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 3: if you're part of any dissenting opinion, you will be 168 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 3: targeted no matter what side of the aisle you're on 169 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 3: by this administration. 170 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: Okay, we'll get you out of here with this, and 171 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: it's sort of come back to what we talked about earlier. 172 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: It's a horrible look for the city, it's a horrible 173 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: look for the Hogs and administration, but so were the 174 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: numerous other reports. 175 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:35,719 Speaker 2: Do you think anything will come of. 176 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: This, or will once again, this just be something that's 177 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: in the news for a few days and then your 178 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: Democrat colleagues and the City County Council go about business 179 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: as usual. 180 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 3: I'm going to do everything I can to make sure 181 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 3: that it doesn't just go away. You know, I appreciate 182 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 3: the voice that WIBC has been. 183 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 4: Giving to this. 184 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 3: You know, you look at the traditional media here within 185 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 3: Indianapolis and you can tell. 186 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 4: By the. 187 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 3: Detail was in that article that was not something they 188 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 3: just threw together over the weekend. So clearly there's been 189 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 3: a major investigation by the local media outlets in this. 190 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 3: So thank god from Mere Indy for Indie Star and 191 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 3: these articles that are really looking into this and not 192 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 3: turning a blind eye. And I think the difficult thing 193 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 3: that all of us on the council need to reckon 194 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 3: with is where do we go from here? How can 195 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 3: you trust any thing that comes from this administration? How 196 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 3: can you trust any economic development deal that you're voting on? 197 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 4: Do you do? 198 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 3: You have to sit there as you're hearing these development 199 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:31,719 Speaker 3: deals pitched and be like, hey, I just want to 200 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 3: check is anyone that's on the petitioner side on the 201 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 3: development side, like in a romantic relationship with anyone in 202 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 3: the upper upper echelon and city government, like you shouldn't 203 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 3: have to ask that that's a weird place to be. 204 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, but now you do, and we appreciate you. 205 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: Josh Bain, Republican member of the Indianapolis City County Council. 206 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you. 207 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Kettle Casey Show ninety three WIBC. 208 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: Oh kem coming in hot with a little. 209 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 2: Michael Stanley band. 210 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: Cleveland's very own, very well done. 211 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 2: This game. Casey would never tolerate. This is why we're 212 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 2: doing it. 213 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: It should be back tomorrow bringing the eighties back to 214 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: you on WIBC. 215 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 2: It is Kennelly Casey Show. 216 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: I'm Rob Casey's in the afternoon today for Hammer Nigel. 217 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: So it's myself, keV Ethan Hatcher and UH Polling, Polling, polling, 218 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: more polling. This is fascinating how Indiana I think it 219 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: really centers around this redistricting push. It's becoming like the 220 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: polling center of the universe. And so a group by 221 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: the name of three D Strategy Strategic Research, three D 222 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: Strategic Research. 223 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 2: They have been used. 224 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: By again another primarily Republican based pollster has pulled on 225 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: a lot of the same things that we talked about 226 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: earlier with the Independent Indiana poll. They pulled on redistricting, 227 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: they pulled on the governor, they pulled on the Secretary 228 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: of State, they pulled on Lieutenant governor. And just like 229 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: the Independent Indiana pole, which also done by a Republican pollster, 230 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: they have found and the started a nice job and 231 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: he started a nice job sort of breaking this down 232 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: and simplifying it for people what the Independent Indiana poll found, 233 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: which is people don't want redistricting. So Rob, maybe because 234 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: you know these people better than almost anybody here, what 235 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 1: do you do if you are an Indiana legislator who's 236 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: supportive of redistricting when you're looking at these poll results, 237 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: because on the one hand, you know it's widely unpopular 238 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: even among your Republican constituents. But on the other hand, 239 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: you're getting pressure from the Trump administration and might have 240 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: a political price to pay when it comes to federal 241 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: fundraising across the state, because you know, Donald Trump can 242 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: be pretty vindictive when it comes to not getting his way. 243 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: Good question, all right, So, just to put this in perspective, 244 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: twenty one percent, according to this three D poll, twenty 245 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: one percent agreed with the statement that Indiana should redistrict 246 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: to quote counter the one sided partisan maps the Democrats 247 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: have drawn in states like Illinois, New York, and California. 248 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: So this was sort of a almost a push poll 249 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: in the sense of how they were wording it, which 250 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: was designed to get people to yes. 251 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 2: So the push polls are. 252 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: The questions are weighted in a way to try to 253 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,719 Speaker 1: get you to a response, and then sometimes if they 254 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: don't get the response, then they'll follow up with the question 255 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: to get you to the response. Right, So they wanted 256 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a pretty inflammatory way to ask the question. 257 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: If you just wanted the answer'd be do you support 258 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: redistricting in the state of Indiana or something like that, 259 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: yes or no. 260 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 2: This ployd's some rather tortured wording. If I recur, and. 261 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: They can only get to twenty one percent, sixty nine 262 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: percent of voters agreed with the statement quote, there's no 263 00:12:55,480 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: need to spend time or money on mid decade redistricting. Okay, 264 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 1: So overwhelmingly, just like even more so than the Independent 265 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 1: Indiana pol which what this is like the fourth or 266 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: fifth pole now we've seen, which shows the same thing, 267 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: which is people in the state don't want it. 268 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 2: So to answer your question. 269 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: First of all, I'm obviously against redistricting because I don't 270 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: believe you should just give Republican seats because that's why 271 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: they govern so poorly. They just take it. There's no 272 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: incentive for them to actually govern effectively. But if I 273 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: weren't that sort of person, I would weigh would I 274 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: be punished for it? Like, Okay, people feel this way, 275 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: but will they come out and vote against me? Are 276 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: they passionate enough that this will drive them next year 277 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: to the polls? Now Over, the bigger issue is the 278 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: big Ancelada is the Secretary of State's office is probably 279 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: in some real jeopardy with bo Bye running. Now, I 280 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: still think it's a red state. Republicans have the advantage. 281 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: By the way, speeing a bow Bye. He'll be with 282 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: us on Friday. Don't miss that interview. That is going 283 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: to be sort of a make or break interviewer. Very 284 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: well could be for him because he's got to win 285 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 1: our audience and the WABC audience a portion of it 286 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: if he's going to win the race. But if you're 287 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,719 Speaker 1: and this is why I think, like Rod Bray and 288 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: Todd Houston don't want any part of this because clearly 289 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: there's no support for it, and the only option is 290 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: we could get punished for it. And I'm not saying 291 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: you will get punished for it, but clearly the polling 292 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: and it's getting enough coverage that people are aware of 293 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: it that you potentially jeopardize these down ballot races next year, 294 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: and they have no incentive to jeopardize down ballot races, 295 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: which is what. 296 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 2: They actually care about. 297 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: What do you make of the Secretary of State's race? 298 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: Is Bobai only in the game if Diego Morales secures 299 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: the nomination once again, if he's defeated and convention by 300 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: David Shelton, then does Bobai stand a chance or is 301 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: he going to be overwhelmed by the straight ticket Republican 302 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: voters that are all too happy to propel propel any 303 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: r next to their name politician into elected office. Let 304 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: me come back to that in just seconds. That's a 305 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: great question. But I did want to give some of 306 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: these results from this three D Strategic Research poll. Braun 307 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: is viewed favorably by just thirty two percent. Forty six 308 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: percent view him unfavorably, which I believe matches directly or 309 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: pretty close to directly the Independent Indianapol. Now that's a 310 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: higher favorability, but the unfavorable is about the same Trump 311 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: by comparison, which I think is always a good barometer, 312 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: forty seven percent favorably, forty nine percent unfavorably. I think 313 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: that's probably in the ballpark. Yeah, and by the way, 314 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: the Independent Indianapol braun was twenty four percent favorably, forty 315 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: three percent unfavorably. Then they asked about Morales Diego Morales 316 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: Secretary of State, nine percent viewed him favorably, twenty one 317 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: percent unfavorably. It almost matches identical to the Lieutenant Governor 318 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: Micah Beck with nine percent view him favorably twenty two 319 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: percent unfavorably. So nobody knows who they are, but the 320 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: people who do don't like them. So back to your question, 321 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: which is, if it is not Diego Morales, I think 322 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: it's a much tougher lift for bo Bi because then 323 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: he would have to win on the merit versus running 324 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: against someone. 325 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 326 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point because I think right now, 327 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: a big part of the strategy, especially if he's politically 328 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: savvy at all, would be running against the widespread corruption 329 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: of the Morales administrator. Well, and he's a smart guy 330 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: and he's touched on it a little bit in some 331 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: of these interviews he's done, which is he's going to 332 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: have to convince people two things. One and this is 333 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: where the machine comes in. And by the way, the 334 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: donations are rolling in for him now. I think he's 335 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: raised like four hundred thousand dollars in a couple of days. 336 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: He's getting the big donors, presumably off his father's you 337 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: know machine, which we thought he would. Yeah, he just 338 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: got three hundred thousand dollars from some guy out in Connecticut. 339 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: We need more rich frends Ethan, we need more rich friends. 340 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: But I think he's gonna have to convince the people 341 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: of two things. Number one, that Diego Morales is so egregious. 342 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: And that's why I've said, Look, Diego may not want 343 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: to say who paid for India. The buys will figure 344 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: out who paid for India, and it's not good. That's 345 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: why he doesn't want to tell you who paid for 346 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: that trip to India, because it's not good. They'll also 347 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: figure out probably whether he paid the money back or not. 348 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: Want to bet whether he did, They'll figure that out. 349 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 1: And so you've got to convince people, hey, look, this 350 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 1: is a red state and you're Republicans. But sort of 351 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: the way they did in short time, Joe Donnelly flipped 352 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: on Richard Murdoch, flip flipped the screws on Richard Murdoch 353 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: in twenty twelve. Hey, this guy's comments were so agregious. 354 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: I get your Republicans, you can't vote for this in 355 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 1: good conscience. He's gonna have to do that, and he's 356 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: also gonna have to convince people I am not a radical. 357 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: I will work with the Republicans. 358 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 2: I will, you know. 359 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: And he's already said, hey, voter id not gonna be discussed. 360 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: We're not gonna talk about He's gonna have to do 361 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: more of that and talk to his own party and go, 362 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: y'all got just buy your tongues here, because this is 363 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: how we're gonna have to win this thing. It's a 364 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: real it's a real balancing act. But to answer your question, 365 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: I think he has almost no shot if it's not Diego, 366 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 1: because it takes away one of the things he's gonna 367 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: have to run on. And Dave Shelton is milk toast, 368 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: and he's born, and he's good at his job, and 369 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: it just it'll just be you know, a sort of 370 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: an r sweep with with But if you're if you're 371 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: Ellie Daniel Elliott the state treasurer and at least a 372 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: shallow the comptroller, you've got to be very worried about 373 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: running with Diego because just like when Murdoch imploded, Mike 374 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: Pence almost went down in that election, if it go 375 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: election go on another week, he lost, you gotta be worried. 376 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: Is this guy potentially going to sink the free sailing 377 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: ship for us too? 378 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 4: Well? 379 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: I think that's a little bit less of a possibility 380 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: because part of the polling we just talked about said 381 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: that fifty percent of the state doesn't even know who 382 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: Diego Morales is. So but they will want, you know, 383 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: several million dollars a run against him about the hiring 384 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,239 Speaker 1: the brother in law in the car and the and 385 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: the no bid contracts and whoever paid for these you know, 386 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: foreign trips and all. 387 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 2: Like. 388 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: It's laughable to me that the Republicans keep putting their 389 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: head in the sand on Diego and acting like the 390 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: buy machine isn't going to in full force just run 391 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: one negative ad after another with the sky and the scandals, 392 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: that the Republicans don't want to act like they exist, 393 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: that they're not going to be front and center. 394 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 395 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, we also have a state where Republicans have they 396 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 1: have very safe districts because of the enormous weight that 397 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: straight ticket voting favors for them. 398 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 399 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 1: All right, so there you go. That's two polls basically 400 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: showing the same thing. Nobody wants redistricting and nobody likes Braun. 401 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:26,719 Speaker 1: This was a good show today. It was a very 402 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: positive show. All right, Well more on the way next 403 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: Kettle Case Show ninety three, wibc Ethan question. This is 404 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: where you say yes, yes, oh, thank you very much. 405 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: Can ask your question, Rob, I'm Rob Ethan is emphatically 406 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: in for Casey today. 407 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 2: Who's doing the afternoon show? keV is here? You own 408 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 2: many houses? Correct? Yes, well several. I wouldn't say many. 409 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,239 Speaker 1: I'm owned more than the average person, but less than 410 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: the average tycoon. Now that's a little a little misleading 411 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: because you're not like living in. 412 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 2: All these houses. Correct? They are rental profits. Yeah, that's 413 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 2: what you do for a day job. 414 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: Now, would you ever let someone you didn't know house 415 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: sit for you. No, I have far too much cool stuff. Okay, yeah, 416 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: your house is a is a museum. Hope you don't 417 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: mind me saying that, Like, it's very nice, yest your 418 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: it is like a trip through time, going back to 419 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: going to your house and touring your house. 420 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 2: Now. 421 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: I asked this because apparently there are services out there 422 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: in which you hire someone and they will come like 423 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: it's an online service, and they send someone to your 424 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 1: house to house sit for you. 425 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 2: Are you aware of this? 426 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: I was not aware of this because I am not 427 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 1: financially affluent enough to require these services. However, that being said, Rob, 428 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 1: if I did have a home like in Martha's Vineyard 429 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: or something, you know, in some sort of fantastical scenario 430 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: where I've won the lottery, yeah, you know, if you 431 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: got a second home, you probably want some looking after that, 432 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: taking care of it. And if you've got the money 433 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: not to worry about such things, then a house sitting 434 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: service sounds logical. 435 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 436 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: So I guess these are online app service whatever, and 437 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: this company is supposed to do the background checks on 438 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: the people, verify. 439 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 2: Who they are, and so whoever they're. 440 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: Sending to your house, you know, it doesn't have any 441 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: criminal background. I mean, obviously doesn't ensure that nothing bad 442 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: is gonna happen, But they've got a history of doing 443 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: house sitting together. They check references, whatever, so it gives 444 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: you some level of peace of mind. 445 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 2: As much as you can have. 446 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: I suppose that whoever's in your house is a reputable 447 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: person that doesn't have a photo up in the post office. Well, 448 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: it kind of sounds similar to what they do for 449 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: house cleaning services, and I would entertain maybe getting a 450 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: house cleaning service where they do a background check and 451 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: then have people come into your home. So I guess, 452 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: is it fundamentally different between having someone come in to 453 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: do some house cleaning while you're there versus a house 454 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: sitter while you're not well. This went horribly awry for 455 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: one couple. There's a group in California. This company was 456 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: called Trusted House Sitters. Daily Mail had a big expose 457 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: on this, and it appears what these people were able 458 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: to do is they were able to steal the identity 459 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 1: of people. So they got hired by this online service 460 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: under phony identities, and then they started breaking into how 461 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: allegedly breaking into houses, taking items including one hundred thousand 462 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: dollars from one one point one million dollar home. 463 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 2: Oh, one hundred thousand dollars is going to hurt? Wow? 464 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, maybe house sitting services not that ideal. 465 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: And there were they were apparently very good the people 466 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 1: who we were fleeced because they said there were things 467 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: that you would have had to look very hard to 468 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: find that were hidden, and they were able to track 469 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: those things down. 470 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 2: But I got technology these days are out. 471 00:22:55,720 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: They can use like radar, moltectors, whatever whatever was they 472 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: were doing it. But it comes back to I would 473 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: not let someone I don't know hang out in my home. 474 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 2: Yeah. 475 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 1: Of course I never leave my home, so it's not 476 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: a problem for me. But I would not you know, 477 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 1: I obviously know all my neighbors. They could look after 478 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: my home for me. There's no I also don't have 479 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: anything of my homeworth taking, but that would be like 480 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: a real risk. I would also not let somebody come 481 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: in and clean my home. But you would be okay 482 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: with letting somebody come in and clean your home while 483 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: I was there? Oh yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, but 484 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: you would not just let a stranger into your house. Yeah, okay, 485 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: very good, all right, So be on the lookout that 486 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: I believe these the culprits were apprehended though these specific 487 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: people who were they working with, some of these like 488 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: Chilean gangs or Trendy or Raguak. 489 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you laugh, But we've. 490 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: Heard about these gangs, especially in the more affluent parts 491 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: of California, where they're breaking into these multimillion dollars home 492 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 1: and just taking the stuff. 493 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 2: So is this extension of that. 494 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: It doesn't say that, and they were just they weren't 495 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: really breaking in, they were waltzing right in and they 496 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: were invited under all pretenses. Yes, two hundred thousand dollars 497 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 1: in total theft was the alleged hall for this man 498 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: and woman. How much did you say two hundred thousand? Oh, well, 499 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: that's less than those folks that took from the target 500 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: that wasn't it like half half million dollars over the 501 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,360 Speaker 1: course of a year and a half they just got 502 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: arrested for. Isn't that sad that we've reached a point 503 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: in our society where you're like, it's two hundred thousand 504 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: dollars and you're like, oh, that doesn't sound like that 505 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: much money. 506 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 2: I mean, that's where we're at society. 507 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: We've reached a point ethan where we now hear the 508 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: phrase two hundred thousand dollars. I mean, like five years 509 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: ago to have been like that's a huge amount of money. 510 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: Now you're like, oh, that does sound like that much money. Well, 511 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: two hundred thousand dollars couldn't buy you a home in someplace. Well, 512 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: it's certainly not California most places. I mean that's I 513 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: was chuckling because I saw one point one million dollar home. 514 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: I thought, Oh, that's a big home, and then you thought, well, California, 515 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: that's probably not all that big of a home. 516 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 517 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: I saw a postage stamp house in California that they 518 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: were recently selling for six hundred thousand dollars in an 519 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: area that looked not dissimilar to the East side of Indianapolis. Well, 520 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: your buddy car All Carl for Tony Katz. I know 521 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: he's regularly on the Saturday night in the Circle program. 522 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,479 Speaker 1: You know he lived in California, and he'll he'll tell 523 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: you how little house you can get and the sort 524 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: of neighborhood he lived in and what it cost, and 525 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: the sort of quality housing that he was provided for that. So, yeah, 526 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: I think a little affordability, a little bit better here 527 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: here in central India. All right, we're gonna take a break. 528 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll wrap up the shaw. I'm 529 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: doing this today because Casey would never let me do 530 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: this if she were here, so I'm taking full advantage 531 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 1: of running the template. There was a guy who in 532 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties went from totally obscure actor to commercial 533 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: phenomenon to star of the big screen. Andy He blew 534 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: up and then kind of disappeared almost as fast as 535 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: he came about, and then tragically passed away very young. 536 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 2: So not a lot was known about this guy. 537 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 1: And that's why one of his family members wrote a 538 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: book about him and his life. How about that for 539 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: a tease. We'll tell you all about it when we 540 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 1: come back with a big interview. It's kenl a Casey 541 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: Show ninety three w IBC. 542 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 3: Best. 543 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: So we somehow went from obscurity to being one of 544 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 1: the biggest stars in the nineteen eighties and into the nineties. 545 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,479 Speaker 1: And thankfully one of his family members has told his story. 546 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 2: It's a Kennel and Casey Show. I'm Rob Casey's out today. 547 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: Ethan Hatcher's here joining us now in the WIBC hotline 548 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: is Justin Lloyd. He is the author of the book 549 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: now available on audiobook, The Importance of Being Ernest, The 550 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: Life of actor Jim Varney. Of course, Jim Varney, best 551 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: known for playing Ernest p. Worle on the big screen, 552 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: went from sort of a obscure character actor and commercials 553 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: to a megastart the box office. Justin you were his nephew. 554 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: You were on the scene with him for many of 555 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: his movies and acting endeavors. Tell us about this guy 556 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: who people loved, but not too many people knew all 557 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: that much about. 558 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 4: Good Morning. 559 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 2: It was great. 560 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 6: It was quite surreal at times, you know, to see 561 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 6: him coming on our TV. You know, this is back 562 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 6: in the early eighties when you couldn't just get everything 563 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 6: on demand, right, and so we would be watching a 564 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 6: program and then up pops Convenient food Mart commercial and hey, 565 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 6: there's Jim, and everybody would rush into the room and 566 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 6: try to see him real quick, and you know, the 567 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 6: commercials almost halfway over by the time we ever got 568 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 6: everybody in the room. But it was exciting, you know, 569 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 6: those kinds of things. And then to see him show 570 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 6: up on the big screen and all that it was 571 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 6: quite exciting, to say the least. 572 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: Okay, so do you remember, because a lot of people 573 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: don't know that he was an advertising star. The earn 574 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: character played by Jim Varney was an advertising star. And 575 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 1: then I think Ernest Goes to Camp was the first movie, 576 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: and these movies just explode. There's like a five year 577 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,479 Speaker 1: window where kids love these movies. Even adults love these 578 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: movies doing Christmas movies. Do you remember when you found 579 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: out he's going to the big screen. 580 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, a little bit. 581 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 6: You know, when he would come and visit, he would 582 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 6: talk about the latest things that were going on, and yeah, 583 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 6: we were quite excited to hear, you know, when a 584 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 6: movie was being made about Arnest. You know, we had 585 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 6: been fans of the commercials, like you said, for many years. 586 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 6: I mean, he was, you could argue, as much a 587 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 6: commercial phenomenon as he ever was a movie star. 588 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 4: People. 589 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 6: A lot of people don't realize that just what an 590 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 6: advertising phenomenon he was in the early to mid eighties there, all. 591 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: Right, So Justin Justin Lloyd is our guest. He's the 592 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: author of the book The Importance of Being Ernest, The 593 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: Life of actor Jim Varney. It's now out on audio book. 594 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: We'll get to that in just a second. But Ernest 595 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: is fascinating to me as a child of the eighties 596 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: and nineties, I grew up loving the Earnest movies, but 597 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: like there were certain guys like Jim Varney was one 598 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: as Ernest, Paul Rubens as pee Wee Herman, where you 599 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: almost didn't know that they weren't actually that, Like it 600 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: was shocking to me. Remember the first time I ever 601 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: saw Jim Varney in something not Earnest, and it was like, 602 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, he's not actually Earnest. 603 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 6: Yes, I mean it's when I think it's it's great 604 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 6: when somebody is so convincing as that character, like you know, 605 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 6: like you said, Paul Rubens was with Mork you know, 606 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 6: I'm sorry, Paul Rubins. 607 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 2: Was with pee Wee Herman, Pee Wee Herman. 608 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 6: I'm sorry. And I was also thinking of Robin Williams 609 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 6: with More at one time, right, all of a sudden, 610 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 6: you mean, yeah, you can't envision them as anybody else 611 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 6: because they were so convincing that they've almost just become 612 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 6: a real person. Like you're just thinking, Ernest just seems 613 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 6: like that' it's almost like a real person, right, and 614 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 6: it's like, no, it's actually just a character. So I 615 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 6: get that. 616 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, So tell us about the Jim Varney the person 617 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: and his reaction to these movies going to the big screen. 618 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: How did he handle himself and what was did his 619 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: life change at all, at least from a family perspective, 620 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: you were his nephew. Once he starts, you know, hitting 621 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: it big with these movies. 622 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 6: I think he really was pretty much the same person 623 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 6: he had always been, pretty much stay true to himself. 624 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 6: He lived just north of Nashvilleville and pretty a small 625 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 6: town called White House, Tennessee, just north of Nashville, and 626 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 6: remain in the same house that he had bought in 627 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 6: the early eighties when he first was making money. As 628 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 6: Ernest lived there his whole life, so he was still 629 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 6: very much. 630 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 7: Grounded, and I think probably to some extent, I would 631 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 7: say maybe he almost maybe at some point that he 632 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 7: would find fame doing something. 633 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 6: I don't know how much of how, I don't know 634 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 6: how how excited you know, it made him perhaps in 635 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 6: the scheme of things, But I mean, I think it's 636 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 6: always something he maybe kind of expected his whole life. 637 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 6: It was just it was just a matter of when it. 638 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: Was going to happen as the So you know, he's 639 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: big in the eighties, the Jim Varney, the Earnest movies, 640 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: they go into the nineties, they're still popular. By the 641 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: mid nineties, the thing had kind of run its course. 642 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: The thing they went to end up being they weren't 643 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: in theaters, they were like direct to video movies. What 644 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: was his reaction to that? You have this meteoric rise, 645 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: you're kind of known for this one thing. This thing 646 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: has run its course. How did he handle that and 647 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: what did he how did he pivot out of kind 648 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: of the Earnest character. 649 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 6: Well, I mean he was always wanting a dramatic role. 650 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 6: He was always for a long time kind of trying 651 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 6: to do other things. You know, in the early nineties 652 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 6: you had the hill Billy's movie where he was had Clampitt, 653 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 6: and that's when the Earnest movies. 654 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, with the. 655 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 6: With Disney was starting to kind of run its course. 656 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 6: And of course he then was getting into the animation 657 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 6: with the Toy Story movie, which I don't think he 658 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 6: had any idea just you know, the impact that that 659 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 6: was going to have. And so he was already kind 660 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 6: of pivoting into the voice work doing some other characters. 661 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 6: He did, like a cameo kind of character on The Simpsons, 662 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 6: playing this this Carney character, and so he was really 663 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 6: kind of pivoting into voice work there from Toy Story 664 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 6: on onward. He was also good friends with Billy Bob Thornton, 665 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 6: and he was telling us about the movie sling Blade 666 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 6: before it ever came out, and you know, wasn't in 667 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 6: sling Blade, but then ended up in a Billy Bob 668 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 6: Thornton movie later on, towards the very end of his life, 669 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 6: called Daddy and Them. So, yeah, he had a lot 670 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 6: of other other things going on that he had been 671 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 6: working on through throughout the nineties. 672 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 5: For sure. 673 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: Justinlloyd is our guest. Couple of minutes left with him. 674 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: He's got a new audio book out. The book has 675 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: been out in paperback for years. The book is called 676 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: The Importance of Being Ernest, The Life of actor Jim Varney. Okay, 677 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: and we'll get to the book here in just a second. 678 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: But later in his life, like I'm forty years old 679 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: now and I saw you were, you know, doing interviews. 680 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: This thing is out in audiobo got that. What a 681 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: cool thing, because I loved Ernest and like, did he 682 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: have an appreciation for how much that character was loved? 683 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: And do you think he would have I mean, he's 684 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: been gone a long time now, but he would have 685 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: understood the staying power that that character was going to have. 686 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: The grown people like me still think of it in 687 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: such high regard. 688 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 7: Yes, I do. 689 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 6: I think so at the time, and it is it 690 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 6: is so bittersweet because he isn't around now to hear 691 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,239 Speaker 6: people talk about when they were younger and what it 692 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 6: meant to them, right a bit. I think at the 693 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 6: time though, he understood that. You know, he had his 694 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 6: own heroes growing up. He watched on TV from Hopolon, 695 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 6: Cassidy and on all that on TV, so he understood 696 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 6: what these characters could mean the kids as I did. 697 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 6: I mean I grew up in with Superman and Star Wars, 698 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 6: and so I understood that completely. As I wrote the 699 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 6: book and wanting to write something really for the earnest 700 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,919 Speaker 6: fans that would that would give them something comprehensive about 701 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 6: Jim that really wasn't out there anywhere. 702 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, So let's get you out here with us. 703 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: Tell us about the book, The importance of being Earnest, 704 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: The life of actor Jim Varney, which is now available 705 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:42,399 Speaker 1: in audiobook as well. 706 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:43,760 Speaker 4: Well. 707 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 6: It's it started about, you know, about eight years after 708 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 6: Jim had passed in two thousand and eight. I realized, 709 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 6: you know, goodness, there's nothing about Jim, and you know, 710 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 6: something needs to be written, and well, maybe I'm. 711 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 4: The person to do it. 712 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 6: And it took me on almost six years writing and researching. 713 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 6: When the paperback came out in twenty thirteen, and then 714 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 6: recently I was thinking, you know, I should probably do 715 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 6: an audiobook and to really give the listeners, you know, 716 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,280 Speaker 6: the fans, and even more kind of intimate and immersive 717 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,399 Speaker 6: experience hopefully with that and hopeful, hopefully that's what I've done, 718 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 6: and was even able to add some kind of some 719 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 6: bonus footage as well, a speech from John Cherry, the 720 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 6: director of the longtime director and creator of Ernest at 721 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 6: Jim's memorial and some other things. So really wanted to 722 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 6: make it, you know, a real treat for Jim Barney 723 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:42,240 Speaker 6: and Ernest fans. 724 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 2: Work. Where can people get the audiobook. 725 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 6: Really just about anywhere and of course audible Apple books 726 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 6: just about anywhere, and also in the libraries. It's going 727 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,320 Speaker 6: to be it's all over the libraries. 728 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 7: Networks and stuff. 729 00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 6: So yeah, really really excited to have this so for 730 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 6: all the fans to enjoy. 731 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, what a cool thing. I'm so glad you did it. 732 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: An incredible character of the nineteen eighties and nineties and 733 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,720 Speaker 1: really before you, like you said, before you did this book, 734 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 1: not a lot was known about the guy outside of 735 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: what he did with the movie. Is the importance of 736 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: being Ernest the life of Factor. Jim Varney, Justin Lloyd, thank. 737 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 2: You, thank you, appreciate it. Yeah, this is gonna do 738 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 2: it for us today. 739 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Ethan for filling in for Casey 740 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 1: doing an outstanding job. Kevin, great job as always, and 741 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: most Mortley, thank you to you the listener. Without you, 742 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,439 Speaker 1: there is no U stick around. Tony Katz Coming up next, 743 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: Kennel and Casey Show ninety three, WIBC.