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Speaker 8: us right from the national Uh. Marion Woolen March. Sister

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Speaker 8: phil A grand Rising, welcome to the program. I'm not

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Speaker 8: hearing sister phil At.

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Speaker 7: I can barely hear you.

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Speaker 8: Okay, we're working we're working the Western issues we're working through.

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Speaker 8: I'm sister phill A. But Grid rise and welcome to

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Speaker 8: the program. All right, She says she has a problem

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Speaker 8: hearing us anyway, Sister phil A, Okay, I cracked engineer

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Speaker 8: is working on it right now, Sister phill A, so

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Speaker 8: uh uh, maybe just prought up my mic a little

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Speaker 8: high so she can hear Sister Phila, Okay, yeah, sister,

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Speaker 8: you know, I want to talk about a bunch of

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Speaker 8: stuff that we could get a chance to get to.

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Speaker 8: One of the things I wanted to talk about was

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Speaker 8: the crisis, neglect and the conflict, the decreased continuation of missing, kidnapped,

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Speaker 8: sexually violated, human and sex traffic black women and girls

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Speaker 8: across the country. And you asked the question, who really

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Speaker 8: cares about our sisters who are being trafficked?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Bro, the call and it's still in a because I

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Speaker 7: actually literally received a call around five point thirty this morning,

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Speaker 7: and this is what's going on one of my sisters.

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Speaker 7: You're in tuliductory call to advice me and parently, it's

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Speaker 7: all over the news that her actually her niece and

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Speaker 7: grand niece were victims of an almost unlive murder by

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Speaker 7: her spouse. You know, this is something that is going

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Speaker 7: on all over the country in different kinds of ways.

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Speaker 7: Like you said, missing kidnapped, exploited, sex and human trafficking.

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Speaker 7: This is going on all over the nation, in all

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Speaker 7: of our communities, we've done the research, and the question

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Speaker 7: has to now be who really cares well with the

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Speaker 7: research that we've been doing. Not very many, particularly when

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Speaker 7: you look at the thousands of organizations, groups, et cetera

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Speaker 7: that talk about about anti violence, and certainly the ones

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Speaker 7: that talk about social justice, they basically for the most

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Speaker 7: parts have little to nothing in their program in their

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Speaker 7: agenda that addresses what some would call gender related violations

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Speaker 7: or violence and abuse. So we're getting ready to really

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Speaker 7: change that all across the board because the kinds of

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Speaker 7: things that we're hearing now. I mean, of course, we

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Speaker 7: know that all of our people are victims and subjected

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Speaker 7: to what we know is human rights violations, particularly at

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Speaker 7: the hands of this government at the system, but we

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Speaker 7: also have to be realistic now in looking at what

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Speaker 7: has happened. We believe strongly that what we're seeing with

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Speaker 7: our women and girls be the type of violence that

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Speaker 7: is now being placed on our women and girl is

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Speaker 7: in fact, as a result, at least to some extent,

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Speaker 7: of what we call the genetics, and that means it's

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Speaker 7: a continuous it stems from the continuation of abuse of violence,

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Speaker 7: and of course with that we're referring to the treatment

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Speaker 7: already here in terms of this system. So this has

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Speaker 7: to now be looked at very carefully, because in psychology

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Speaker 7: and in other fields of science, it is very clear

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Speaker 7: that a lot of times violence is as a result

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Speaker 7: that now. And of course it's also indicated that this

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Speaker 7: will happen with the most vulnerable in your society or

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Speaker 7: in this case, in the community, and that of course

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Speaker 8: And so coming here for a second, as sister Phila

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Speaker 8: twenty six at the top of our family has just

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Speaker 8: taking it, I guess is from the National Mali and

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Speaker 8: Women in marsh to filet. They're selding their thirtieth anniversary

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Speaker 8: this year, but in twenty twenty seven, I think, But

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Speaker 8: the sister pil, why do you think it's if this

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Speaker 8: young girls has been ignored? Are you hearing anything from

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Speaker 8: any of these civil rights groups of the Congression Black Caucus.

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Speaker 8: Is anybody else other than yourself talking about.

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Speaker 7: This issue for the most parts, No, Rather call I

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Speaker 7: mean there are very few comparatively speaking, very few all

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Speaker 7: over the country. And again, when you and me talk

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Speaker 7: about certain topics, know that I can bring you the receipts,

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Speaker 7: the information to back it up. And to go back

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Speaker 7: to your question, one of the reasons is, and again,

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Speaker 7: what did brother Malcolm say over sixty years ago the

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Speaker 7: most disrespected I'm paraphrasing, but this was really the point.

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Speaker 7: The most disrespected person in America, the most un protective

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Speaker 7: that sixty years ago, so obviously, and that brings me

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Speaker 7: to the point of your question. Why is this something

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Speaker 7: that's not being talked about, addressed to whatever realistically in

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Speaker 7: our communities and amongst our groups and organizations. That's because

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Speaker 7: there's some taboos and some other kinds of things that

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Speaker 7: many want to avoid. And that is the inequality the

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Speaker 7: treatment of our women period from a historical perspective. So

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Speaker 7: even though we know that the bigger corporate is the

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Speaker 7: system and all that goes with it, at some point

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Speaker 7: we're going to have to really deal with some truth,

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Speaker 7: and that is within our own communities, there's behaviors that

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Speaker 7: is not being addressed, and it hasn't been addressed and

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Speaker 7: that's been going on for a while, so now it

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Speaker 7: has festered. Now it has gotten to the point where

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Speaker 7: it's just out of control. We had a sister here

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Speaker 7: in Philly again, a beautiful young girl twenty three years

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Speaker 7: of age, college students studying psychology, and she's kind of

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Speaker 7: one of the examples. And that has happened a few

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Speaker 7: this and studying it. Young sister, this particular situation was

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Speaker 7: as a result of dating. She had just started dating

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Speaker 7: a young man but then decided she didn't want to

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Speaker 7: continue a relationship with him, and of course that didn't

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Speaker 7: go over too well because he ended up slitting her

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Speaker 7: So that's what I'm saying. Right with our own communities,

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Speaker 7: there's certain things, so of course the bigger the other

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Speaker 7: stuff such as sex and human trafficking. And remember our

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Speaker 7: research have shown the book the preferred organs is young

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Speaker 7: it again, the preferred organs on the market is that

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Speaker 7: of young females. So that's you know, you don't need

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Speaker 7: a calculator to understand that reality. So again, there's a

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Speaker 7: bigger picture with sex trafficking, and we're talking about forcing

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Speaker 7: women and girls to work. But you also now have

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Speaker 7: the Internet and other social media outlets that literally program

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Speaker 7: young girls. I had another young sister, your grandmother, she

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Speaker 7: every other so on, then have to go to New

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Speaker 7: psychologically been programmed to be with people who you know,

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Speaker 7: give her certain things to you know, get her hair done,

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Speaker 7: her nails, and things of that nature. So again, as

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Speaker 7: black women, we have to now look at ourselves and say,

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Speaker 7: wait a minute, what are we doing. We know sisters

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Speaker 7: do tremendous work all across the board in all kinds

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Speaker 7: of areas, reparations, homelessness, you name it. But where's the

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Speaker 7: work that our women are doing, particularly collectively when it

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Speaker 7: comes to our own girls and women. So again, as

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Speaker 7: a part of MWM thirty, which is as you said,

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Speaker 7: it's going to be happening in twenty twenty seven, we're

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Speaker 7: going to change all of that. Sisters will have to

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Speaker 7: be accountable, more accountable to our women and girls. If

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Speaker 7: energy is being put in Palestine and wherever else, there

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Speaker 7: has to be a balance. Now to say we have

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Speaker 7: this much input, energy, time, effort put in us, that

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Speaker 7: has to.

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Speaker 8: Be a primary jun Here for a second, Sister phil

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Speaker 8: A twenty eight away from the top of family, listening

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Speaker 8: to Sister phil A from the MIDI in Women's March,

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Speaker 8: MIDI in Women's March, I should say, pardon me, sister Phila.

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Speaker 8: Is there any part of the country where this is

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Speaker 8: more prevalent than others? Is in the south, is in

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Speaker 8: the northeast, or any city where most of this thing

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Speaker 8: has taken place?

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Speaker 7: Interestingly enough, it's no, and it's kind of see. This

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Speaker 7: is why we're creating a campaign, the National Campaign for

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Speaker 7: the Illumination of All Forms of Violence and Abuse of

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Speaker 7: Black Women and Girls. We're being very specific, USA, We're

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Speaker 7: being very specific, and again to answer your question for

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Speaker 7: the call, what we're finding is now, of course, certain locations,

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Speaker 7: it's difficult to see the data because the reports are

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Speaker 7: not going to be as clear as they are in

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Speaker 7: certain other safe cities, et cetera. So, for example, you'll

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Speaker 7: get more data from New York State, New York or

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Speaker 7: Pennsylvania or other cities, but then there's other cities you'll

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Speaker 7: get next to nothing because again if it's not reported,

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Speaker 7: then it can't be. You can't look at the research,

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Speaker 7: you can't look at the stats. But I can tell

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Speaker 7: you this Philadelphia, Washington d C. Washington d C has

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Speaker 7: an extremely large number because it's considered a gateway. From Washington,

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Speaker 7: you are able to be connected within a matter of

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Speaker 7: two to four hours to various other major cities. Of course,

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Speaker 7: a little further up in New York. So it's considered

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Speaker 7: a gateway state or gateway city. The same is Atlanta.

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Speaker 7: Atlanta has a high rate, but now we're also seeing Florida.

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Speaker 7: Florida has a high rate because of its capability to

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Speaker 7: get you out of the country. So yes, there are

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Speaker 7: certain cities that definitely have a higher rate than others.

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Speaker 7: But again, because we don't have proper mechanisms in place

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Speaker 7: to be able to actually track or observe or whatever,

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Speaker 7: we're not getting good stats. That's part of our campaign

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Speaker 7: to make certain that we have something called the Ebony

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Speaker 7: Amber Alert, and we do it here at Philadelphia, and

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Speaker 7: it's only amongst us at this time. Whenever we get

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Speaker 7: a report, we immediately send it out via email, via text.

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Speaker 7: It's our grassroots ebony Amber, and amber is not spelt

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Speaker 7: like you know, there is a federal Amber alert that

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Speaker 7: was you know, developed because of the kidnapping of a

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Speaker 7: young white female. We created the Ebony Amber alert, and

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Speaker 7: our Amber is represents a million Black women rising. So

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Speaker 7: the acronym is a mbwr and we still pronounce it amber,

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Speaker 7: but it represents a million Black women rising because we're

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Speaker 7: seeing that our sisters. We know how powerful our women

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Speaker 7: are and our brothers as well, and we want our

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Speaker 7: men to also step up and get our backs and

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Speaker 7: stand with us because again they have mothers, daughters, wives, nieces.

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Speaker 7: That means everyone has to get involved in this. Everyone

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Speaker 7: has an interest, everyone has skinning the game on this,

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Speaker 7: and if we don't step up to at least act

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Speaker 7: like we care, that means the enemy really sees things

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Speaker 7: that they don't need to be saying, and that is

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Speaker 7: negligence and irresponsibility in such a way. Any any group

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Speaker 7: of people that really understands dynamics know if you do

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Speaker 7: not take care of your women and children, they already

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Speaker 7: know what they're gonna do with you. This is why

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Speaker 7: certain groups are very adamant about protecting the women. And yes,

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Speaker 7: I've heard the other side, which says, well, you know

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Speaker 8: But hold up then again, sister Fele, because we've got

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Speaker 11: Made the comment during an appearance on CBS Face the Nation,

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Speaker 10: Mayfield, DC Police chief Pamela Smith is the ending her

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Speaker 12: On a Monday morning. If you head across the Woodrow

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Speaker 1: Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

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Speaker 8: Under an rising Samdry. Thanks for starting your week with us.

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Speaker 8: A sixteen minutes away from the top the end of

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Speaker 8: our guest sister file from the Million Woman Marches. You

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Speaker 8: know they put on that event. Have found a million

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Speaker 8: Kemmick Shockley. He's going to share us how transformative a

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Speaker 8: Pan Afcan education is for students and teachers alike. You

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Speaker 8: from his book Addicted to White, Be Oppressed, Illegal the Oppressed,

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Speaker 8: we've got doctor Haru. Doctor herew is known for cancer

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Speaker 8: reversals a lot of folks. If you know folks who

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Speaker 8: He's also going to have some of the survivors, so

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Speaker 8: in with us tomorrow morning at six right here in Baltimore,

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Speaker 8: I'm ten ten WLB also in the DMV on fourteen

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Speaker 8: fifty w L. All right, let's go back to Sister La. So,

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Speaker 8: Sister Hila, this Amber alert that these guys created, I

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Speaker 8: think it's a great, great, great because obviously our problems,

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Speaker 8: we're going to have to solve our own problems. You

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Speaker 8: can't wait anybody else to solve our problems. My question

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Speaker 8: Every black city, every black person should know that we

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Speaker 7: And that's why our was this Ebony Amber alert, because

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Speaker 7: we always put ebony amber alert so that it's very

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Speaker 7: specific that we're talking about us, and yes, we're not

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Speaker 7: I will donate a thousand trackers right for children, because

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Speaker 7: you know, we're hearing all of these these things are happening,

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Speaker 7: So we talked about it and I said, well, I'm

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Speaker 7: So it's still working that out. But the mere fact

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Speaker 7: Brother called just so you'll know. So in creating this campaign,

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Speaker 7: an app to summarize that. The other part that is,

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Speaker 7: because with kidnapping and trafficking, that often means that the person,

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Speaker 7: the information circulated in other locations so as well, and

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Speaker 7: now therefore there is no excuses. Now on the grass

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Speaker 7: roots level, our action plan is we're organizing, coordinating what

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Speaker 7: we call the bb b CO. The Big b BCO

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Speaker 7: consists of Black beauticians, braikers, barbers and cosmetologists b b

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Speaker 7: ourselves with one another. Now that's not a true example

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Speaker 7: of Kujichangaliya and all the other principles which our more

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Speaker 7: quins are coming up. How do we do that on

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Speaker 7: a day to day basis? This is one perfect way

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Speaker 8: Yeah, oh that's all right there, ten away from it.

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Speaker 8: Something our brother Kareem is joining. Let's just calling from

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Speaker 8: Baltimore's online too. Grand rizing brother Kareem, you're on with

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Speaker 13: Thank geez call you sound the shock when you heard

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Speaker 13: because they think that it is something that is that obligation.

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Speaker 13: We need to understand that we us coming together, needs

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Speaker 13: how to do it from the out outside because we

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Speaker 13: do need to do things on the outside on the inside.

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Speaker 13: So thank you, sister, keep doing the dirt work you're doing.

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01:43:53,080 --> 01:43:53,679
Speaker 13: Thank you, Carl.

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01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:55,600
Speaker 14: I appreciate you for everything you do.

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01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:57,639
Speaker 15: Y'all have a wonderful day, see.

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01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:00,560
Speaker 8: Brother cory A.

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Speaker 7: Sister Philla.

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Speaker 8: One of the things you said earlier that this really

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01:44:03,880 --> 01:44:08,000
Speaker 8: struck me. You talked about organs. Is there any proof

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01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:12,400
Speaker 8: that organs have been harvested by these young sisters or

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01:44:12,479 --> 01:44:14,920
Speaker 8: black women that have been trafficked. Do you have any proof?

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01:44:14,920 --> 01:44:15,960
Speaker 8: Do you have any receipts on that?

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01:44:17,080 --> 01:44:20,960
Speaker 7: What we have are at this point indications, and again

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01:44:21,560 --> 01:44:26,800
Speaker 7: in order to really see most groups are funded for

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01:44:26,920 --> 01:44:31,160
Speaker 7: the call, meaning they're getting corporate or government sponsoring. We've

449
01:44:31,479 --> 01:44:35,640
Speaker 7: never had any of that, so we have to be

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01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:41,200
Speaker 7: very creative and also very mindful of our limited resources.

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01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:45,040
Speaker 7: So to answer your question, No, I can't give you

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01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:49,640
Speaker 7: real receipts on that. I can only give you the

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01:44:50,040 --> 01:44:53,160
Speaker 7: information that we've been able to get thus far, which

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01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:56,800
Speaker 7: is really on the grassroots level, because trying to get

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01:44:56,920 --> 01:45:03,120
Speaker 7: information of that type in a law more external kind

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01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:07,439
Speaker 7: of way is very difficult and requires more resources than

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01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:10,720
Speaker 7: what we have. Again, we've never had corporate sponsor me,

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01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:14,200
Speaker 7: We've never had a grant, but we do as much

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01:45:14,280 --> 01:45:17,839
Speaker 7: as not more work than folks that do. So Hopefully,

460
01:45:18,120 --> 01:45:21,559
Speaker 7: as we've developed this campaign, people will see the value

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01:45:22,120 --> 01:45:25,520
Speaker 7: of what we bring to the table and the genuineness

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01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:31,240
Speaker 7: because we certainly could have capitalized off of the work

463
01:45:31,560 --> 01:45:34,120
Speaker 7: and the history up to me, we could have been

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01:45:34,240 --> 01:45:37,160
Speaker 7: gotten bukou moneies and was offered it by the way

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01:45:37,560 --> 01:45:40,600
Speaker 7: and we refused it over the years, and it has

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01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:44,400
Speaker 7: been very difficult to continue and let this movement grow,

467
01:45:45,080 --> 01:45:48,280
Speaker 7: but we've done it. But so again we're hoping that

468
01:45:48,479 --> 01:45:50,960
Speaker 7: our next initiative will allow us.

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Speaker 9: To be able.

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Speaker 7: But I will tell you this for the call just

471
01:45:54,880 --> 01:45:57,760
Speaker 7: last week and you probably saw this case. This case

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Speaker 7: in fact, one of my sisters is going to have

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Speaker 7: the father on her podcast later this week. There was

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Speaker 7: the report of twins who were in the hospital. Unfortunately

475
01:46:10,160 --> 01:46:14,120
Speaker 7: one of them did not survive. And there's a whole

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01:46:14,200 --> 01:46:16,720
Speaker 7: nother story with that in terms of the interaction with

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01:46:16,840 --> 01:46:19,880
Speaker 7: the family. But the bottom line is when the child

478
01:46:20,040 --> 01:46:24,960
Speaker 7: got to the funeral place home whatever, she didn't have

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01:46:25,080 --> 01:46:31,439
Speaker 7: any organs. Now that's documented, we did and the father

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01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:34,240
Speaker 7: is available for you to talk to if you like.

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01:46:34,960 --> 01:46:36,360
Speaker 7: So that's a fact.

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01:46:37,960 --> 01:46:41,840
Speaker 8: So what I'd love to talk to him, sister fay

483
01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:44,320
Speaker 8: So hooked that up for us. Six minutes away from

484
01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:46,080
Speaker 8: the top day out, we're talking about a break reel, sir.

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01:46:46,160 --> 01:46:49,320
Speaker 8: But I got to ask you this the domestic violence issue,

486
01:46:49,360 --> 01:46:52,280
Speaker 8: because I know came close to you with your niece.

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01:46:53,280 --> 01:46:55,680
Speaker 8: Can you would you like to share that or can

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01:46:55,760 --> 01:46:56,599
Speaker 8: you share that with us?

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01:46:56,640 --> 01:47:00,840
Speaker 7: What happened well that today this morning. That wasn't my niece.

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01:47:00,920 --> 01:47:04,160
Speaker 7: That was a sister, one of our member of MWN

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01:47:04,280 --> 01:47:08,000
Speaker 7: member sisters. But I can share with you, you know,

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Speaker 7: some of our own perusal experiences.

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Speaker 8: In fact, years.

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01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:14,280
Speaker 7: Ago I got involved with this issue. I was in

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01:47:14,400 --> 01:47:18,040
Speaker 7: college and you know, did community work even then, and

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01:47:18,479 --> 01:47:22,360
Speaker 7: one of the sisters in our community, who was a

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01:47:22,479 --> 01:47:26,360
Speaker 7: Hebrew Israelite at the time, there were some problems. And

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01:47:26,680 --> 01:47:30,519
Speaker 7: note when we say domestic again, we got to take

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01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:34,320
Speaker 7: some of this out of the context of the European jargon,

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01:47:35,120 --> 01:47:40,160
Speaker 7: because for us, domestic just doesn't just mean family, partner.

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01:47:40,320 --> 01:47:44,200
Speaker 7: Whatever domestic means us. It's like when you go to

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01:47:44,280 --> 01:47:47,920
Speaker 7: the airport and you see international and domestic. So we

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01:47:48,080 --> 01:47:52,400
Speaker 7: always link certain things to this whole system. So I

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01:47:52,520 --> 01:47:55,240
Speaker 7: just wanted to make that clear to folks because there's

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01:47:55,280 --> 01:47:59,360
Speaker 7: a stigma in using certain words and it turns folks off.

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01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:01,760
Speaker 7: What we do is put it in the context of

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01:48:01,880 --> 01:48:06,360
Speaker 7: you recognizing that we recognize from whence it comes. So

508
01:48:06,520 --> 01:48:11,760
Speaker 7: now let's move forward with targeting the specific thing of

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01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:16,479
Speaker 7: partner or associate or or parent or whether the bottom

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01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:21,160
Speaker 7: line is years ago, young sister in our community, beautiful beautiful,

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01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:25,240
Speaker 7: spirited young sister gave me a call in the night

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01:48:25,439 --> 01:48:29,840
Speaker 7: again and you know, conveyed some issues. And at that time,

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01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:32,840
Speaker 7: we used to really have a community where we also

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01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:38,000
Speaker 7: had brothers in our community who if you called, would

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01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:41,720
Speaker 7: you know, intervene in certain kinds of ways if we

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01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:44,799
Speaker 7: needed brothers to do that. Right, that's not really happening

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01:48:44,920 --> 01:48:47,840
Speaker 7: now unless you're in a certain specific group, but we

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01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:51,160
Speaker 7: used to have that in our community in general. So

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01:48:51,360 --> 01:48:53,960
Speaker 7: I was kind of one of the people that folks felt,

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01:48:54,240 --> 01:48:57,960
Speaker 7: you know, pretty at east to call about certain issues. Anyway,

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01:48:58,479 --> 01:49:01,400
Speaker 7: sister call and she said, you know, some things have happened.

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01:49:01,479 --> 01:49:05,280
Speaker 7: Da da da da da, and we talked. So a

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01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:08,840
Speaker 7: day or so later she called me again and she said, well,

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01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:11,559
Speaker 7: I'm going back, because she had left home, said I'm

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01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:13,880
Speaker 7: going back. And I said, well, sister, why are you

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Speaker 7: going back again? And she said, because that's my soulmate.

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01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:22,200
Speaker 7: And for some reason, brother called me and she said

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01:49:22,280 --> 01:49:24,760
Speaker 7: that it's like something just went right through me. I

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01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:30,320
Speaker 7: knew I could just feel something was just not right. Well,

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01:49:30,720 --> 01:49:33,400
Speaker 7: a day or so later, I get another call, and

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Speaker 7: that call was that this sister no longer was with us,

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01:49:38,600 --> 01:49:43,439
Speaker 7: that her husband had in fact decided you know, that

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01:49:43,640 --> 01:49:45,800
Speaker 7: she was to not be here any longer. But he

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01:49:45,960 --> 01:49:49,559
Speaker 7: also decided that for himself too, and then he threw

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Speaker 7: one of the children out of the window, and then

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01:49:52,760 --> 01:49:56,560
Speaker 7: he also entered the older one. So my brother and I,

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01:49:57,800 --> 01:50:00,479
Speaker 7: of course, you know, had to deal with that issue

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01:50:00,680 --> 01:50:04,080
Speaker 7: because we were really in our community at that time

539
01:50:04,160 --> 01:50:07,479
Speaker 7: in Philadelphia, we were really a community. So we went

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Speaker 7: to the hospital and the baby, this was a young baby.

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Speaker 7: I don't believe the baby was more than a year.

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01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:15,880
Speaker 7: Well they were crossed, maybe two years old. But the

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01:50:15,960 --> 01:50:20,519
Speaker 7: baby had cast on both hands, both legs, and a

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01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:24,559
Speaker 7: hammer hole in his head in the front and stitches

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01:50:24,640 --> 01:50:29,559
Speaker 7: from one ear over to the other ear. That's when

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Speaker 7: I got involved, because we're.

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Speaker 8: Right there, Sister phil A. We got to check the

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Speaker 8: traffic and where. Wow, that's a lot to absorb right there,

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01:50:38,280 --> 01:50:39,840
Speaker 8: but we got to check the traffic and weather in

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Speaker 8: our different cities. It's two minutes away from the top

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Speaker 8: of our family, Sister Philly from the National Women's million

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01:50:46,280 --> 01:50:48,280
Speaker 8: Men's Marches. Well us, Mom and Tarid, we're going to

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01:50:48,280 --> 01:50:51,120
Speaker 8: speak with doctor Shaka. He's a Pan African educator. You

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01:50:51,160 --> 01:50:53,360
Speaker 8: want to get in on any of our conversations this morning.

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01:50:53,479 --> 01:50:55,600
Speaker 8: Just reach out to us at eight hundred four or

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Speaker 8: five zero seventy eight seventy six and they'll take a

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01:50:58,840 --> 01:51:00,720
Speaker 8: cross after the traffic to update this.

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Speaker 12: Next crash on the Beltway in New Carrollton, and that's

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01:51:27,080 --> 01:51:29,639
Speaker 12: what's giving us delays in each direction. Inner loop side

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01:51:29,720 --> 01:51:32,719
Speaker 12: is where the accident happened. After the Baltimore Washington Parkway,

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Speaker 12: before you get to four fifty and Apolis Road. Interloop

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01:51:35,439 --> 01:51:37,920
Speaker 12: slow downs backing their route one near the IKEA outer

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01:51:38,040 --> 01:51:40,519
Speaker 12: loop heavy to check it out. Back near fifty the

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Speaker 12: John Hanson Highway, that way through Forestville looking great each

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Speaker 12: direction and to the Wilson Bridge. Boy, we catch a

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Speaker 12: break this morning. Running lighter than normal. A lot of

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Speaker 12: our area roadways are running a bit lighter than normal.

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Speaker 12: Earlier crash on New York Avenue and bound after Bladensburg

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Speaker 12: Road cleared. Just back to our normal volume delays. Getting

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Speaker 12: through that signal light northbound two ninety five, it's the

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Speaker 12: volume ring onto the inbound eleven Street bridge. Once you

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Speaker 12: get onto six ninety five, the freeway wide open to

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Speaker 12: get you past the third Street tunnel. Now look at

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Speaker 12: your forecast, we'll see plenty of sunshine this afternoon. Today's

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Speaker 12: high near forty seven degrees, tonight's low thirty eight. Our

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Speaker 12: current temperature still at chili thirty degrees. I'm Jamie Witten

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Speaker 12: for News Talk fourteen fifty AM WOL Where Information Is Power.

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Speaker 16: of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect

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Speaker 16: the views of Urban One Incorporated, Radio One or any

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Speaker 6: You're fucking with the Most Host submission the Carl Nelson Show,

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Speaker 6: I can win the.

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Speaker 1: Most Man.

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Speaker 8: And Grand Rising Family, thanks for starting a week with us.

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Speaker 8: Three minutes after the top of the alt momentary, we're

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Speaker 8: going to speak with doctor Kemmick Shockley. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 8: about education. But let's travel with Sister Philis. Sister philas

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Speaker 8: with the National Women in March, and she's telling us

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01:53:40,439 --> 01:53:44,080
Speaker 8: about the there's a prolification if you will have sisters

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01:53:44,200 --> 01:53:49,599
Speaker 8: and young young children as well being traffic and also

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01:53:49,720 --> 01:53:52,040
Speaker 8: the domestic violence that are taking place in our community.

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Speaker 8: And as we said before, you know, these are our problems.

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01:53:55,240 --> 01:53:57,680
Speaker 8: And if we don't know it by now, we're the

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01:53:57,720 --> 01:53:59,760
Speaker 8: ones going to have to solve these problems. You can't

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01:53:59,800 --> 01:54:02,320
Speaker 8: wait on the government. They've already told you how they

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01:54:02,360 --> 01:54:04,679
Speaker 8: feel about us. So we have to solve these problems.

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01:54:04,680 --> 01:54:06,920
Speaker 8: And let me just say this, the brothers out there,

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Speaker 8: we have to do better. We have to do much

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Speaker 8: much better. Sister Phil, I'll let you finish your thoughts.

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Speaker 7: You know, brother calm, when you get a chance. I

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Speaker 7: did send you both of the articles that I refer to,

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Speaker 7: the one with the twin babies that was in Fort Worth,

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01:54:22,160 --> 01:54:26,080
Speaker 7: Texas that just happened last week or so, and the

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Speaker 7: other one that I just got this morning. I just

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01:54:28,439 --> 01:54:30,880
Speaker 7: sent you the article on that that was the shooting

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01:54:30,960 --> 01:54:35,520
Speaker 7: of the mother and the baby. So again, you know,

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01:54:35,800 --> 01:54:37,880
Speaker 7: those are some of the issues that are right in

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Speaker 7: our communities. And then the other one, of course, is

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Speaker 7: a little broader, and that is of course with the

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Speaker 7: human sex trafficking, et cetera. Again, we're looking at every

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01:54:50,080 --> 01:54:54,960
Speaker 7: area of what we call gender related violations, and it's

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Speaker 7: kind of like a chip. We call it the Willie

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01:54:57,680 --> 01:55:00,920
Speaker 7: Lynch chip in some of our brain means and spirit.

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01:55:01,360 --> 01:55:04,320
Speaker 7: Where as soon as you hear something, the Willie Lynch's

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01:55:04,440 --> 01:55:08,560
Speaker 7: chip will automatically tune it out. And that's what we

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01:55:08,680 --> 01:55:12,320
Speaker 7: feel is going on when we start talking about certain

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Speaker 7: issues that are related to our women and girls. There's

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Speaker 7: a programming within our people, and that programming is I

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Speaker 7: don't want to hear that. I don't you know. It's

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Speaker 7: almost like you know you automatically, they just don't want

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01:55:27,080 --> 01:55:29,440
Speaker 7: to hear it. And we believe as part of the

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Speaker 7: programming there's a psychological thing going on, because once you

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Speaker 7: see know and address that, Like the great nanas Amon

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01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:42,000
Speaker 7: once said, I had the opportunity to sit with her

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Speaker 7: again when I was in college, and she once said,

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Speaker 7: once you know, you can never not know again.

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Speaker 8: And so people rather not know, they rather not know. Wow,

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01:55:55,280 --> 01:55:58,800
Speaker 8: how can we help you get out this ebony Amber alert?

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Speaker 8: How can we help you?

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Speaker 15: Well?

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Speaker 7: Two things. One is we're heading to Cali next year

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Speaker 7: in March to commemorate the sixtieth year anniversary of the

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Speaker 7: first Black student union being formed in the US. So

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01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:16,920
Speaker 7: part of that is to start getting directly with some

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01:56:17,080 --> 01:56:21,240
Speaker 7: of our young folks because to develop an app and

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Speaker 7: then to make sure it's really function and so forth.

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01:56:24,000 --> 01:56:26,680
Speaker 7: We need technical folks. We need folks that have that

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01:56:26,840 --> 01:56:31,960
Speaker 7: kind of you know, love or whatever capability dealing with technology.

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01:56:32,920 --> 01:56:35,640
Speaker 7: So we notice some of our young folks really are

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01:56:35,760 --> 01:56:37,960
Speaker 7: into that, but it doesn't matter. You know, we're not

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Speaker 7: discriminatory when they come to age. So if it's so,

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01:56:40,160 --> 01:56:44,760
Speaker 7: if anyone is in the field of technology, we really

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01:56:44,880 --> 01:56:47,080
Speaker 7: need to sit with you so that we can work out,

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Speaker 7: you know, map out all the little nuances of doing

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Speaker 7: this because it really require some expertise. I mean, we're

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Speaker 7: doing it on our own, but to deal with on

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Speaker 7: a national level the way that it really needs to

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Speaker 7: be done, we're gonna need some help. We need some assistance.

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Speaker 7: So folks that have it or other kinds of insight

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Speaker 7: into technology, we need to meet with you to get

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Speaker 7: better advice and insight on how to proceed. The other way,

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Speaker 7: of course, is for folks to join the campaign. We

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Speaker 7: need people to volunteer to consult and other kinds of things.

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Speaker 7: We have to also draft legislation because there has to

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Speaker 7: be a whole variety of components put in place in order,

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Speaker 7: but it's to really be maximized because other than that

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Speaker 7: even with us moving forward amongst ourselves. That's definitely the

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Speaker 7: first step because I'm always about grassroots first, but ultimately

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Speaker 7: it has to be taken into other arenas. So black

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Speaker 7: elected officials, we got to hold the more accountable. If

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Speaker 7: they want your vote and they asking for it, questions

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Speaker 7: need to now be raised. What is your position or

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Speaker 7: what are you talking about doing when it comes to

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Speaker 7: this issue. So we have to do with lobbying and

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Speaker 7: other kinds of things. So the bottom line is get involved, family,

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Speaker 7: I give you my contact information. We're getting ready to

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Speaker 7: do town hall meetings and summons and other things so

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Speaker 7: that folks can literally get hands on. And lastly, we're

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Speaker 7: doing training, particularly for women and girls, not just in

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Speaker 7: physical self defense, but in mental and spiritual self defense,

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Speaker 7: so we need trainers for that too.

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Speaker 8: Wow. Also, what I'd love to see is have sister

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Speaker 8: FILA is a group of lawyers or you know, maybe students,

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Speaker 8: law students, legal paralegals who donate, you know, their their

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Speaker 8: services pro bonos nationals. So if there's a problem in

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Speaker 8: Detroit or a problem in New Orleans, that group will

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Speaker 8: just say, Okay, we're going to take care of our people.

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Speaker 8: That's the only way we're going to survive because you know,

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Speaker 8: I'm telling you, we have to create these These are

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Speaker 8: mechanisms for us, for our people where we don't think

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Speaker 8: about how much money you got or you know, how

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Speaker 8: much how much it a're going to send you a check.

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Speaker 7: Let's just do it.

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Speaker 8: I'd love to see that if we could create that that.

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Speaker 8: You know, I'm not in the legal field, so I

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Speaker 8: know some lawyers do it individually, but we need to

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Speaker 8: have it done on a national basis. And again, were

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Speaker 8: looking around. Everybody's looking around by trying to pay off

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Speaker 8: this that that, that, the law from laws, going to

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Speaker 8: law school. I understand all of that, but you also

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Speaker 8: can donate some time to our people. That's what I

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Speaker 8: love to see. So your group, like you, like your group,

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Speaker 8: you can utilize those those that expose legal minds in

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Speaker 8: any air in the country. So that's what I think.

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Speaker 8: But let's let's let's talk into existence. Let's talk about it.

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Speaker 8: Maybe someone's out there and the lawyer will take up

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Speaker 8: the ball and run with it.

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Speaker 11: Oh, I love it.

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Speaker 7: See, that's what we're talking about. When we have these conversations, brother,

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Speaker 7: call for me. It's always going to be productive because

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Speaker 7: everything connects and so there's nothing too small, nothing too law.

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Speaker 7: It all connects and at some point we can make

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Speaker 7: it happen. We saw that with the million Woman in March.

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Speaker 7: It started with one version and then it ended up

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Speaker 7: being two million, so we know that something can start

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Speaker 7: and grow in such a way. Unfortunately, people didn't realize

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Speaker 7: we were still growing, we were still working. But they're

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Speaker 7: going to realize it now because we come as strong.

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Speaker 8: All right, So how can folks reach your sister fill a?

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Speaker 7: All right? They can reach us via email at national

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Speaker 7: spelled out in a TiO in a L M W

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Speaker 7: M of course, Million Women March. So it's m WM

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Speaker 7: at aol dot com again National m WM at aol

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Speaker 7: dot com. Or you could reach me directly, text us better,

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Speaker 7: but phone call is cool too, and that's two six

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Speaker 7: seven six three six three eight zero two again two

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Speaker 7: six seven six three six three eight zero two. If

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Speaker 7: you want to schedule a meeting, then we can come

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Speaker 7: to your city, your community, or even if it's on zoom.

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Speaker 7: But were ready to hit the streets, so we'll come directly. Actually,

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Speaker 7: we'll be back in DC next month. Then again we're

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Speaker 7: going to Boston. We're hitting the streets, y'all. So this

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Speaker 7: is what has to now happen, and we need folks

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Speaker 7: to bring us into your city. Let's have this not

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Speaker 7: only discussion, but let's hear the plans of action and

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Speaker 7: step up.

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Speaker 8: And get it done. Ah shay to that, and thank you,

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Speaker 8: sister Phile. Keep us in the loop. Please let's make

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Speaker 8: this thing happen.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, Thank you, brother Carl.

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Speaker 8: All Right, family, that's sister Phila from the National Women's

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Speaker 8: At March eight hundred and four or five zero seventy

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Speaker 8: eight seven. Just keep that number head of your Maybe

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Speaker 8: for our next guest, who hamsby dot Org Chemick Shockley,

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Speaker 8: Doctor Kemmick Shockley is an educator Pen Afcan educator, doctor

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Speaker 8: Sharkley Grand Rising. Welcome to the program, Dan Rising.

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Speaker 14: About those good to hear them. It is good to

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Speaker 14: talk to you. Good to hear that conversation. We are

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Speaker 14: just having a very important one to be back on

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Speaker 14: the show.

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Speaker 8: Well, you know, it's interesting that we have that conversation.

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Speaker 8: We want to talk about education. This is your this

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Speaker 8: is your area, doctor Shockley, and you said that it's

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Speaker 8: you know, Pan African education is paramount for our people.

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Speaker 8: You say, not only for the students, but also for

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Speaker 8: the teachers as well. And one of the things that

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Speaker 8: you know, our brother ashra Quasi always was it says

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Speaker 8: no that shelf. He thinks that's this and he could

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Speaker 8: be onto something here the solution for many of the

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Speaker 8: problems that we see in our schools with our young

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Speaker 8: people because they don't know who they are, even adults.

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Speaker 8: If they knew who they are, You'll tell you, if

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Speaker 8: they knew who they are or the greatness they come from,

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Speaker 8: they wouldn't be attacking each other. You would say nothing

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Speaker 8: mad about another black person. If you understood who you are,

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Speaker 8: that would not come to the surface of your mind.

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Speaker 8: So how do we get that? How do we teach that?

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Speaker 8: Because that's where he comes from, you know, it's where

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Speaker 8: you come in about Shakhi. How can we teach our

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Speaker 8: young especially our young people. We got adults who we've

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Speaker 8: got people in the in the pulpit, in the mosque

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Speaker 8: that we're involved in this kind of nonsense as well.

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Speaker 15: But let's start with.

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Speaker 8: Our young people. How do we get them? How do

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Speaker 8: we teach them about their history?

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Speaker 14: That's one of the most important questions I think that

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Speaker 14: we could ponder.

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 14: I'll start by saying that you know, many people know

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Speaker 14: me as a professor. For the past twenty three years,

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Speaker 14: I've worked as a college professor, teaching students and going

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Speaker 14: around doing presentations and things of this nature, writing books, documentaries.

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Speaker 14: You make me oh, this semester or next semester, that

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Speaker 14: won't be happening. I've been working in schools and one

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Speaker 14: of the things that just last week, I had a

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Speaker 14: very interesting meeting with a principal in Delaware who is

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Speaker 14: trying to do some work. I guess you could say

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Speaker 14: in a center of education, a principal who is trying

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Speaker 14: to change her school from being a regular public school

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Speaker 14: but to one that's more black culturally focused. I won't

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Speaker 14: say African center, but definitely Black culturally focused. I will

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Speaker 14: say that over the past of the months, one of

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Speaker 14: the things that I've noticed is that those of us

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Speaker 14: who are in the consciousness movement, we know about Queen

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Speaker 14: t We know about the Heart, the m Hotel, etc.

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Speaker 14: We know about Queen and Zings, the content, We nade

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Speaker 14: it all the great thinkers, Donning mcclart, the great Anthony

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Speaker 14: Brownige is our Francis, because well, all the people that

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Speaker 14: we know really are bringing it home for us. But

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Speaker 14: if you go into the schools and you really pay

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Speaker 14: attention to what's happening in the schools, the children, black

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Speaker 14: children are not getting any of that.

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Speaker 13: Really.

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Speaker 14: I know that there are some Black children that are

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Speaker 14: getting in those who are in certain types of schools,

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Speaker 14: African center schools, whatever you want to call them, Pan

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Speaker 14: African schools. But essentially, when you look at the textbooks,

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Speaker 14: when you actually examine within the textbooks in regular curriculum,

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Speaker 14: which I'm going around helping people with as well as

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Speaker 14: the AP curriculum that is being an ap African American

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Speaker 14: history for example, children have teachers who essentially don't know

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Speaker 14: information about the black history culture inheritage enough to transmit

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Speaker 14: back to the young people. So what's happening is we're

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Speaker 14: preparing to be yet another generation who will have to

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Speaker 14: quote come into consciousness when they get into their late twenties, etc.

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Speaker 14: As opposed to entering into consciousness as a teenager, so

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Speaker 14: that we can have their mindset right from the time

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Speaker 14: that they're young. So they're going to go through the

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Speaker 14: same thing that I went through unconscious any audist until

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Speaker 14: I was in my new twins. So I'm afraid that

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Speaker 14: what we're going to do that. We're not really preparing

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Speaker 14: the next generation that we might think we are, because

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Speaker 14: you might have consciousness, do individually we who listen to

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Speaker 14: this program and who are out in the world, But

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Speaker 14: our children are actually being attacked by the curriculum that

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Speaker 14: is in existence. We're in a very serious war. But

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Speaker 14: I don't want anybody to do this letter to thinking

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Speaker 14: that the information that we have percolating in our minds

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Speaker 14: is getting to black children. So this is the reason

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Speaker 14: why I made the film Cultural War focused on Like You,

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Speaker 14: which is on Amazon time Scale, it's on TV, It's

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Speaker 14: happened to the Plus, because I want people to understand

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Speaker 14: the exactly happening to the young people, not the few,

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Speaker 14: but to the men. So we have got to figure

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Speaker 14: out how to help our teachers, who might have knowledge

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Speaker 14: and information, how to tell it at to the curriculum

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Speaker 14: that they're being forced to teach in the schools. And

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Speaker 14: then the last thing I'll say about that part is

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Speaker 14: I'm seeing strategic placements. So in places where we if

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Speaker 14: we had a conscious or a well beeping black person

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Speaker 14: to help children and teachers, the system is strategically placing

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Speaker 14: people in spots for all of that has stopped. So

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Speaker 14: if it's just like that, are very good. It seems,

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Speaker 14: I mean, maybe others already known this, but I'm learning

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Speaker 14: and how the system is so good at finding certain

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Speaker 14: kind of thinkers and putting them in place so that

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Speaker 14: we can't move projects forward that are going to really

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Speaker 14: top our community and our children.

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Speaker 7: It's very interesting.

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Speaker 8: That's what I set aside for a females. Hold that

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Speaker 8: felt right there. Eighteen minutes after the top of our

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Speaker 8: family want to get in on this conversation about education,

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Speaker 8: reach out to us. He speak to doctor Timic Shockley.

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Speaker 8: He's a time aftercan educator. You can reach him at

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Speaker 8: eight hundred full five zero. We'll take your phone calls.

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Speaker 1: Fourteen fifty wol Now back to the Karl Nelson Show.

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Speaker 8: And Grand Rising family, and thanks for starting your week

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Speaker 8: with us. Twenty one minutes after the top of there

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Speaker 8: that I asked, I'm educated, doctor Chemick, Shockoley, doctor shot.

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Speaker 8: He helps teachers, he helps students, are all levels of education.

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Speaker 8: So I got to ask you, and we got some

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Speaker 8: folks want to talk to you. But my quick question

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Speaker 8: for you, doctor Sharckley, is that as a teacher, is

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Speaker 8: there any way that you can model five the curriculum

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Speaker 8: without getting permission from from administration or somebody. Can you

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Speaker 8: slip something out? Can you tell them about Cleopatrick? Can

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Speaker 8: you tell them about Massa Musa? Can? Is the way

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Speaker 8: you can? You know, do that without violating the structure

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Speaker 8: of that the school board is set up. Can teach

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Speaker 8: us do that? Especially in that public school system?

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Speaker 14: Again an excellent question, and the answer to that is

866
02:10:26,040 --> 02:10:32,880
Speaker 14: less you can, but so you can. You can teach

867
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Speaker 14: truth about the things that we will all agree they

868
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Speaker 14: need to know.

869
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Speaker 1: But you have to be.

870
02:10:40,520 --> 02:10:48,720
Speaker 14: Not to be so well burst in the existing real

871
02:10:48,840 --> 02:10:52,480
Speaker 14: certc curriculum. So that's the first trouble is that many

872
02:10:52,520 --> 02:10:55,200
Speaker 14: teachers aren't well worst in the real centric curriculum. But

873
02:10:55,360 --> 02:10:58,520
Speaker 14: the first had that down. Then you have to have

874
02:10:58,720 --> 02:11:04,520
Speaker 14: the African information of the information about our ancestors in

875
02:11:04,600 --> 02:11:08,200
Speaker 14: our community and have the skill to be able to

876
02:11:08,680 --> 02:11:14,240
Speaker 14: leave them together and present a holistic picture to our students.

877
02:11:14,280 --> 02:11:17,760
Speaker 14: So we're not at a point yet. We'll reorganize doctormnity

878
02:11:17,840 --> 02:11:20,360
Speaker 14: well enough, but we don't have to teach the eurocentric

879
02:11:20,400 --> 02:11:23,440
Speaker 14: stuff and teachers could still keep their jobs. So if

880
02:11:23,440 --> 02:11:26,200
Speaker 14: you don't teach the eurocentric information, we're going to be

881
02:11:26,600 --> 02:11:30,200
Speaker 14: in trouble. But if you don't have enough of the

882
02:11:30,360 --> 02:11:35,160
Speaker 14: African centric information to combat that, you don't then have

883
02:11:35,400 --> 02:11:39,400
Speaker 14: the skill and knowledge to be able to do much

884
02:11:39,720 --> 02:11:41,880
Speaker 14: on that need. But then even if you have it,

885
02:11:43,040 --> 02:11:46,520
Speaker 14: we have to have the skill to be able to

886
02:11:46,720 --> 02:11:50,200
Speaker 14: present a package to sins that gets them to information

887
02:11:50,400 --> 02:11:54,600
Speaker 14: leaning and still teach you employed at the school, what

888
02:11:54,760 --> 02:11:59,760
Speaker 14: I'm finding is whole like hardly any teachers, even though

889
02:12:00,000 --> 02:12:03,320
Speaker 14: once again they might feel like we've got a lot

890
02:12:03,320 --> 02:12:08,040
Speaker 14: of conscious people. But I hate to say it, but

891
02:12:08,120 --> 02:12:10,800
Speaker 14: I'm with most teachers. Most of the people who are

892
02:12:10,840 --> 02:12:16,000
Speaker 14: teaching our students, they're not conscious. That's not a person

893
02:12:16,080 --> 02:12:20,080
Speaker 14: who reads and studies information that we would consider to

894
02:12:20,160 --> 02:12:23,200
Speaker 14: be really important that kids Black kids need to know.

895
02:12:24,000 --> 02:12:27,760
Speaker 14: So there's a deeping hole there between what aster crazy

896
02:12:27,880 --> 02:12:32,360
Speaker 14: is saying about knowing byself. True, you know who we are,

897
02:12:32,760 --> 02:12:36,960
Speaker 14: just we'll be able to do better, But knowing who

898
02:12:37,040 --> 02:12:40,280
Speaker 14: we are, that's a long way a learning. When I

899
02:12:40,360 --> 02:12:42,240
Speaker 14: look at the people now, look when I was walking

900
02:12:42,320 --> 02:12:46,200
Speaker 14: through a school as going to work at a few

901
02:12:46,240 --> 02:12:49,480
Speaker 14: different schools, including one that I'm not a lot and

902
02:12:49,640 --> 02:12:53,720
Speaker 14: not a single person during the first fifteen or twenty

903
02:12:53,840 --> 02:12:58,560
Speaker 14: month days of December. I didn't see one teacher across

904
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Speaker 14: four schools mentioned the word qantas they had Christmas things

905
02:13:05,200 --> 02:13:09,080
Speaker 14: in the school. None of the teachers I just asked

906
02:13:09,120 --> 02:13:12,360
Speaker 14: about ten, do you know who malna Plena is? None

907
02:13:12,400 --> 02:13:16,640
Speaker 14: of them who that was one person had sort of

908
02:13:17,560 --> 02:13:19,360
Speaker 14: They all knew had heard the word clons, but the

909
02:13:19,440 --> 02:13:22,160
Speaker 14: one person kind of knew sort of that you got

910
02:13:22,240 --> 02:13:24,520
Speaker 14: seven days, that they weren't totally sure what you do

911
02:13:24,680 --> 02:13:28,480
Speaker 14: on those seven days, and they weren't fully interested in

912
02:13:28,600 --> 02:13:32,200
Speaker 14: days to nowhere. So we have to understand the major

913
02:13:32,920 --> 02:13:36,360
Speaker 14: death between where we think we are and where we

914
02:13:36,600 --> 02:13:40,520
Speaker 14: actually are as the community. I think, you know, it's

915
02:13:40,560 --> 02:13:43,200
Speaker 14: beginning to look a lot like Christmas in these classrooms.

916
02:13:43,360 --> 02:13:48,680
Speaker 14: Playing a Christmas tree on the teacher's desk, is all

917
02:13:48,800 --> 02:13:53,320
Speaker 14: kinds of Christmas stuff happening in the fashion music, Christmas

918
02:13:53,440 --> 02:13:59,560
Speaker 14: music programs. Nothing, no one doing anything related to Quanta.

919
02:14:00,240 --> 02:14:03,400
Speaker 14: There was no teaching about it in any classroom. There

920
02:14:03,480 --> 02:14:07,400
Speaker 14: was no red, black or green anywhere, no discussion of anything,

921
02:14:08,040 --> 02:14:12,960
Speaker 14: and the children are just kind of there. So yeah,

922
02:14:12,960 --> 02:14:15,800
Speaker 14: I agree with gott ashra crazy and what it's saying.

923
02:14:15,960 --> 02:14:19,520
Speaker 14: But we're going to have to figure out a way

924
02:14:19,640 --> 02:14:24,200
Speaker 14: to fight children so that we're not looking at the

925
02:14:24,280 --> 02:14:26,320
Speaker 14: same situation in ten more years.

926
02:14:28,400 --> 02:14:30,960
Speaker 8: Well, let me ask you, so, is it because they

927
02:14:31,120 --> 02:14:34,360
Speaker 8: do not know about Klanja or they are afraid to

928
02:14:34,640 --> 02:14:37,480
Speaker 8: talk about Klonda? How which is it?

929
02:14:38,880 --> 02:14:42,120
Speaker 14: It's hard to think because when I say to them, well,

930
02:14:42,800 --> 02:14:44,760
Speaker 14: let me tell you a little on quanza from things

931
02:14:44,800 --> 02:14:46,840
Speaker 14: that you might be to do in your classroom that

932
02:14:47,040 --> 02:14:51,120
Speaker 14: focus on this holiday, they shape their head yet and

933
02:14:51,240 --> 02:14:55,120
Speaker 14: they look like they're in agreement. But I can't tell

934
02:14:55,360 --> 02:15:00,160
Speaker 14: if it's well, I really don't care, or I you know,

935
02:15:00,440 --> 02:15:03,440
Speaker 14: I can't. I can't made up that it is more

936
02:15:03,520 --> 02:15:05,720
Speaker 14: I don't care, or if it's more what are you

937
02:15:06,000 --> 02:15:11,000
Speaker 14: talking about on two uninformed? I think sometimes it's religious.

938
02:15:11,400 --> 02:15:13,320
Speaker 14: I think there are some people who feel like the

939
02:15:13,440 --> 02:15:19,360
Speaker 14: Kansa is in conflict with they're religions. But even when

940
02:15:19,400 --> 02:15:25,440
Speaker 14: it's not to the cultural colony. But also it's leadership.

941
02:15:25,760 --> 02:15:28,960
Speaker 14: So we have very few principles who actually know what

942
02:15:29,160 --> 02:15:31,600
Speaker 14: this stuff is and wanted to be taught to kids

943
02:15:31,680 --> 02:15:36,680
Speaker 14: in classrooms. So I mentioned I was in Delaware last week,

944
02:15:36,720 --> 02:15:39,000
Speaker 14: and when I was talking to principal in Delaware of

945
02:15:39,480 --> 02:15:43,120
Speaker 14: sort of billing and you know, the culture of sorts.

946
02:15:43,680 --> 02:15:47,520
Speaker 14: When the principle I mentioned this to principal, I asked

947
02:15:47,560 --> 02:15:50,760
Speaker 14: principal about it. She said, we're having such a difficult

948
02:15:50,800 --> 02:15:54,040
Speaker 14: time just getting you know, well, we're getting to proficiency

949
02:15:54,520 --> 02:15:56,760
Speaker 14: with our kids in the in the curriculum that this

950
02:15:57,000 --> 02:16:00,000
Speaker 14: system wants us to do. I can't imagine trying to

951
02:16:00,240 --> 02:16:02,720
Speaker 14: bring in something else. So they still see it as

952
02:16:02,720 --> 02:16:06,440
Speaker 14: an adum. They don't see it as something that's essential

953
02:16:06,560 --> 02:16:10,280
Speaker 14: for black children. So there's a lot of dissimilation. I

954
02:16:10,400 --> 02:16:14,440
Speaker 14: think that's happening, and there's a lot of alienation away

955
02:16:14,640 --> 02:16:19,040
Speaker 14: from who black people are. It is I just I

956
02:16:19,120 --> 02:16:22,080
Speaker 14: was thinking with two mindsets about the people that I

957
02:16:22,240 --> 02:16:23,800
Speaker 14: know and the people that I spend a lot of

958
02:16:23,880 --> 02:16:27,880
Speaker 14: time around, versus what I'm actually seeing in schools with kids.

959
02:16:28,840 --> 02:16:33,280
Speaker 14: It's just winning no relationships. Schools are very Eurocentric, very

960
02:16:33,440 --> 02:16:37,119
Speaker 14: high tied black, and they are not changing. They still

961
02:16:37,200 --> 02:16:41,560
Speaker 14: to Christopher Columbus discovered America, for example, even though we

962
02:16:41,720 --> 02:16:46,119
Speaker 14: know that from our perspective, Christopher Columbus only discovered America

963
02:16:46,200 --> 02:16:51,200
Speaker 14: for Europeans. That's not talk though, you know. So yeah,

964
02:16:51,400 --> 02:16:55,720
Speaker 14: it's uh, we're not such a long way to go

965
02:16:55,800 --> 02:16:58,960
Speaker 14: with our kids. We don't understand that well that you know,

966
02:16:59,040 --> 02:17:01,520
Speaker 14: while we hope that every things are happening in schools,

967
02:17:02,720 --> 02:17:06,199
Speaker 14: but both on the other side are plotting and planning,

968
02:17:06,280 --> 02:17:11,200
Speaker 14: and they are high. They're largely their wedding. So yeah,

969
02:17:11,280 --> 02:17:14,120
Speaker 14: Steve has replaced the rights of passage and it has failed.

970
02:17:14,720 --> 02:17:17,920
Speaker 14: And you know, people without a rights producing adults without

971
02:17:17,920 --> 02:17:21,240
Speaker 14: any obligation to their community. So they are having feared

972
02:17:21,360 --> 02:17:24,280
Speaker 14: growing up without that such that they belong to the

973
02:17:24,320 --> 02:17:28,840
Speaker 14: black community, but they have an obligation to their black community.

974
02:17:29,920 --> 02:17:32,560
Speaker 14: So yeah, yeah, I think we got a long way

975
02:17:32,600 --> 02:17:34,480
Speaker 14: to go on what's happening in education to get our

976
02:17:34,520 --> 02:17:36,560
Speaker 14: young people in the right head space.

977
02:17:38,080 --> 02:17:40,440
Speaker 8: Wow, thirty minutes at the top of their family, I

978
02:17:40,480 --> 02:17:43,040
Speaker 8: guess it's educated. Doctor Kemmick Shockley. If were we go

979
02:17:43,080 --> 02:17:45,560
Speaker 8: back to the mission mind, you talked about Quanti quansa creator,

980
02:17:46,080 --> 02:17:48,240
Speaker 8: Doctor Milana Krenger will be here later this week, so

981
02:17:48,400 --> 02:17:50,640
Speaker 8: keep listening to you. If we've got any questions about quantity,

982
02:17:50,640 --> 02:17:53,920
Speaker 8: you can direct them to doctor Karenga. Also, brother Tony

983
02:17:53,959 --> 02:17:57,440
Speaker 8: Brown is having a Quanze lecture in Baltimore that's on Tuesday.

984
02:17:57,480 --> 02:17:59,960
Speaker 8: The thirtieth and from six to nine at Everyone's Play

985
02:18:00,520 --> 02:18:01,160
Speaker 8: in Baltimore.

986
02:18:01,200 --> 02:18:01,800
Speaker 14: You know where that is.

987
02:18:01,879 --> 02:18:03,960
Speaker 8: All folks in Baltimore were that that's always going to

988
02:18:04,000 --> 02:18:07,080
Speaker 8: have this conversation at least responsored by Everyone's place. It's

989
02:18:07,080 --> 02:18:12,199
Speaker 8: going to be at the most worshipful called during Lodge

990
02:18:12,440 --> 02:18:15,240
Speaker 8: at Maryland on Utah places. So anyway, that's coming up,

991
02:18:15,480 --> 02:18:18,360
Speaker 8: not this Tuesday, but the following Tuesday, eight hundred and

992
02:18:18,360 --> 02:18:20,680
Speaker 8: four or five zero seventy eight to seventy six feeks

993
02:18:20,680 --> 02:18:23,440
Speaker 8: to dot Shokley. Carl's calling us from West Palm Beach

994
02:18:23,640 --> 02:18:26,520
Speaker 8: in Florida. He's on line three, Grant Rising. Carl, your

995
02:18:26,600 --> 02:18:28,000
Speaker 8: question for doctor I'm on.

996
02:18:28,040 --> 02:18:35,800
Speaker 17: The radio, Grand Rising question, Go ahead, Yeah, Brother Chakkra,

997
02:18:36,280 --> 02:18:38,600
Speaker 17: I would like for you to investigate the idea of

998
02:18:39,440 --> 02:18:43,080
Speaker 17: it's the Florida Statue of Florida law and it's called

999
02:18:43,160 --> 02:18:48,120
Speaker 17: Florida Statue one zero zero three point four two eights

1000
02:18:48,800 --> 02:18:51,640
Speaker 17: where they're talking about education in the state of Florida

1001
02:18:51,720 --> 02:18:57,040
Speaker 17: where they were they are responsible for infusing the African

1002
02:18:57,320 --> 02:19:02,080
Speaker 17: and African American history into public schools. We have sixty

1003
02:19:02,160 --> 02:19:05,880
Speaker 17: seven counties in the state of Florida and I'm in

1004
02:19:06,040 --> 02:19:08,800
Speaker 17: Palm Beach County, and we always take the pride of

1005
02:19:09,120 --> 02:19:12,280
Speaker 17: being leaders in that kind of effort. And if you

1006
02:19:12,320 --> 02:19:15,600
Speaker 17: would investigate that as well as those who are listening.

1007
02:19:16,080 --> 02:19:20,720
Speaker 17: It's a Florida law. It's Florida Statue one zero zero

1008
02:19:21,080 --> 02:19:25,440
Speaker 17: three point four two eights and it stipulates that all

1009
02:19:25,520 --> 02:19:28,360
Speaker 17: of the educate everybody in the state of Florida is

1010
02:19:28,360 --> 02:19:33,640
Speaker 17: supposed to be focusing on the African and African American history.

1011
02:19:34,040 --> 02:19:36,680
Speaker 17: And it's been a problem because ever since this law

1012
02:19:36,840 --> 02:19:40,400
Speaker 17: was passed in nineteen ninety four, we haven't been able

1013
02:19:40,480 --> 02:19:43,760
Speaker 17: to be able to get the response that is necessary

1014
02:19:43,840 --> 02:19:47,879
Speaker 17: because we know the injury and the impact. And if

1015
02:19:47,920 --> 02:19:50,200
Speaker 17: I could offer that to you and when you come

1016
02:19:51,200 --> 02:19:53,400
Speaker 17: if this is the home of Donald Trump, this is

1017
02:19:53,440 --> 02:19:56,640
Speaker 17: where mal Lago is located, if you come to the

1018
02:19:56,720 --> 02:20:00,240
Speaker 17: Palm Beach County School District and acts the soup friend

1019
02:20:00,280 --> 02:20:02,840
Speaker 17: Tim to ask the chairman that asks all of the

1020
02:20:02,920 --> 02:20:06,960
Speaker 17: board members to give you a comprehensive knowledge of what

1021
02:20:07,320 --> 02:20:10,240
Speaker 17: is what they're doing. As a relations to that law,

1022
02:20:10,720 --> 02:20:13,960
Speaker 17: I think we could resolve all of the problems that

1023
02:20:14,080 --> 02:20:18,440
Speaker 17: we have in public education and in Florida law because

1024
02:20:18,560 --> 02:20:20,880
Speaker 17: it supersedes all of the other things, and I just

1025
02:20:21,000 --> 02:20:23,320
Speaker 17: wanted to offer that. And when you come, my name,

1026
02:20:23,480 --> 02:20:26,560
Speaker 17: my name is brother Karl Muhammad. And when you come,

1027
02:20:26,800 --> 02:20:30,520
Speaker 17: I would love to be because I'm I identify as

1028
02:20:30,600 --> 02:20:33,560
Speaker 17: the longest volunteer in the history upon Beach County for

1029
02:20:33,600 --> 02:20:37,720
Speaker 17: African American children. Reach out and I hope and pre

1030
02:20:37,840 --> 02:20:42,400
Speaker 17: sincerely because I hear the uh the concept, the consciousness

1031
02:20:42,480 --> 02:20:44,879
Speaker 17: that you provide for us. I just want to make

1032
02:20:44,959 --> 02:20:47,840
Speaker 17: sure that we can hook up with our sisters that

1033
02:20:48,080 --> 02:20:50,560
Speaker 17: just went on before you and we could start the

1034
02:20:50,680 --> 02:20:54,560
Speaker 17: process of possibly the direction of our family. And I

1035
02:20:55,400 --> 02:20:58,280
Speaker 17: pray to understood what I had to say, all.

1036
02:20:58,240 --> 02:21:05,560
Speaker 14: Right, appreciate that. And in fact, maybe about a month ago,

1037
02:21:06,480 --> 02:21:09,280
Speaker 14: I was speaking of someone about the Florida statute that

1038
02:21:09,600 --> 02:21:13,080
Speaker 14: he's that he's talking about. They're not the only state

1039
02:21:13,160 --> 02:21:16,640
Speaker 14: that has such statutes on the board on the books.

1040
02:21:16,680 --> 02:21:23,400
Speaker 14: That one of the issues that is, so you have

1041
02:21:23,520 --> 02:21:26,920
Speaker 14: a first of all, you have the issue of are

1042
02:21:27,000 --> 02:21:32,360
Speaker 14: they are teachers informed enough to battle so that they

1043
02:21:32,440 --> 02:21:38,120
Speaker 14: can implement that statute into the curriculum and teach the

1044
02:21:38,240 --> 02:21:41,600
Speaker 14: kids the information. The answer to that it resounding. Know

1045
02:21:42,480 --> 02:21:46,560
Speaker 14: you also have in Florida that they created another law,

1046
02:21:46,640 --> 02:21:49,760
Speaker 14: though the kind of sim of it. I think it

1047
02:21:49,920 --> 02:21:53,200
Speaker 14: was something about I think it's called a stop Work

1048
02:21:53,320 --> 02:21:56,000
Speaker 14: Act or something like that, that they were saying that

1049
02:21:56,680 --> 02:22:00,280
Speaker 14: they're using that to get in their way of the

1050
02:22:00,320 --> 02:22:03,560
Speaker 14: statue that the caller was talking about ten O three.

1051
02:22:04,280 --> 02:22:08,640
Speaker 14: It's it's really interesting because there's a contradiction in what

1052
02:22:08,920 --> 02:22:12,720
Speaker 14: Florida is saying. They want their students, they want their

1053
02:22:12,760 --> 02:22:14,880
Speaker 14: teachers to be able to do what allowed in schools

1054
02:22:14,920 --> 02:22:18,880
Speaker 14: to teach, and then what the larger legislature is actually

1055
02:22:19,000 --> 02:22:23,480
Speaker 14: doing in Florida. So it's not working. So in another sense,

1056
02:22:23,920 --> 02:22:26,640
Speaker 14: another thing you have in Florida is that there's no

1057
02:22:28,720 --> 02:22:32,800
Speaker 14: there's no way to encurse the statutes. In other words,

1058
02:22:33,440 --> 02:22:36,800
Speaker 14: when when school systems in board say that they don't

1059
02:22:36,840 --> 02:22:40,920
Speaker 14: want things taught in schools, they put in an enforcement

1060
02:22:41,240 --> 02:22:45,960
Speaker 14: odd For example, you can't get away in a a

1061
02:22:46,080 --> 02:22:51,000
Speaker 14: in a school with not teaching about because say you're

1062
02:22:51,440 --> 02:22:54,000
Speaker 14: teaching at the high school level, and we're not going

1063
02:22:54,080 --> 02:22:56,680
Speaker 14: to get away with not teaching the children about somebody

1064
02:22:56,840 --> 02:23:01,120
Speaker 14: like Lewis and Clark, the sort of Lewis it's called expedition.

1065
02:23:01,920 --> 02:23:04,160
Speaker 14: You don't teach about that. There's going to be something

1066
02:23:04,520 --> 02:23:07,360
Speaker 14: there's gonna be something in the performance review about it,

1067
02:23:07,959 --> 02:23:11,959
Speaker 14: So I'm using that as an example. However, there's nothing

1068
02:23:12,120 --> 02:23:15,480
Speaker 14: in the performance review that says that, hey, are you

1069
02:23:15,680 --> 02:23:18,400
Speaker 14: doing what we asked you to be the addition to

1070
02:23:19,560 --> 02:23:23,240
Speaker 14: turn on through the law that the gentleman just spoke about. No,

1071
02:23:24,240 --> 02:23:27,200
Speaker 14: there's nothing forcing you to teach it, so you don't

1072
02:23:27,240 --> 02:23:29,840
Speaker 14: have to teach it. There's no accountability, there's no enforcement.

1073
02:23:31,640 --> 02:23:36,440
Speaker 14: So there's also a lot of day language in the

1074
02:23:36,560 --> 02:23:40,640
Speaker 14: work at that folks are talking about, and what that

1075
02:23:40,760 --> 02:23:43,800
Speaker 14: has done has created a situation where teachers don't know

1076
02:23:44,120 --> 02:23:48,120
Speaker 14: what to do. Even if they knew that they could

1077
02:23:48,200 --> 02:23:52,199
Speaker 14: teach you, many of them don't have the information because

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Speaker 14: when you go through the College of Education, where I've

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Speaker 14: spent the last twenty three years of my life working

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Speaker 14: inside of College of the Education, who is there to

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Speaker 14: teach the information that needs to be transmitted to the teachers.

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Speaker 14: Well that's what not in almost all college of Education,

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Speaker 14: including hbc US information what they called the to the

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Speaker 14: the I forgot what a call. But there's a there's

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Speaker 14: a set of classes that you have to take that

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02:24:23,520 --> 02:24:28,760
Speaker 14: are teaching you how to teach children. None of them

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Speaker 14: focus on how to teach black children. None of them

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Speaker 14: focused on information related to African history, culture andhantage. So

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Speaker 14: if you're going to be a faith class system that

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Speaker 14: teaches you nothing, can you go to college and you

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Speaker 14: become a teacher and you go to the college of

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Speaker 14: education or no classes to teach you how to teachers

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Speaker 14: reach black children? Know the information with love black children

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Speaker 14: tip to know they need to become a teacher in later.

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Speaker 14: First of all, you don't know anything that we're talking about. Secondly,

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Speaker 14: even if you did, you could get yourself into trouble

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Speaker 14: even teaching it because of the stop work factor also

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Speaker 14: exists in the state of Florida. So I think two

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Speaker 14: O three is is a very important piece of legislation

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Speaker 14: that's building fact in exist from the books in Florida. However,

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Speaker 14: what are they going to do to to do with

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Speaker 14: it until you can get people People don't have to

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Speaker 14: be conscious enough to know how to deal with the

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Speaker 14: stop vote and the sort of child of th in

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Speaker 14: Florida because of the dants, then the legislature of Florida

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Speaker 14: and the fact that people don't even have the information

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Speaker 14: easier if you can't disappear today. So that's the problem.

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Speaker 15: We have there just.

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Speaker 8: Is that.

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Speaker 14: You realize it because you want to. But the people

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02:25:47,200 --> 02:25:51,240
Speaker 14: don't really have the information, and then they're not willing

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Speaker 14: to do whether, say, get that information and figure how

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Speaker 14: to deal with the legislation that's set there. I'm not

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02:25:57,920 --> 02:25:59,040
Speaker 14: sure how we're going to use it.

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Speaker 8: All right, hold up the right there, doc. Twenty three

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Speaker 8: minutes away from the top there. Family got a step

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Speaker 8: aside for a few moments. We'd come back, though, Yolanda

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Speaker 8: wants to join the conversation. You can do the same thing.

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Speaker 8: You want to speak to our guest. He's an educator

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Speaker 8: PANAFT and the educator's name is Don M. Sean. You

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02:26:14,000 --> 02:26:16,959
Speaker 8: can reach him at eight hundred four five zero seventy

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Speaker 8: eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls.

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Speaker 1: Next fourteen fifty wol Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

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Speaker 8: On Grand Rising. Family, Thanks for rolling with us on

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Speaker 8: this Monday morning, starting your week with us. Eighteen minutes

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Speaker 8: away from the top of the are our guests who

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Speaker 8: started to Chemist Shockley. Doctor Shogey is a Pan African

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Speaker 8: educators also movie makers. Well done a few documentaries. We're

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Speaker 8: going to talk to you about one before he leaves.

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Speaker 8: This is one about the cultural war focused on black youth.

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Speaker 8: In the moment, we'll check it with you. Alta who

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Speaker 8: wants to join our conversation, he could do the same.

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Speaker 8: Just reach out to us at eight hundred and four

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Speaker 8: or five zero seventy eight seventy six. Later this week,

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Speaker 8: we're going to speak with clinical psychologist doctor Jeromi Fox.

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Speaker 8: You know him from his best selling workbook I Think

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02:27:43,640 --> 02:27:46,000
Speaker 8: It's a White you Oppressed in League with the oppressor

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Speaker 8: or shame based Alliance or also mentioned the Quans of Credit.

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Speaker 8: Doctor Milana Krenger will be here. Also, the President General

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Speaker 8: of the Universal of African People's Organization by the Zachi

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Speaker 8: Broody will join us. And tomorrow morning at six doctor

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Speaker 8: herew doctor who has protocol for reversing Kennis. You know

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02:28:00,640 --> 02:28:03,280
Speaker 8: anyone who's dealing with that issue, please make sure they

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02:28:03,400 --> 02:28:05,360
Speaker 8: check in with us tomorrow morning at six right here

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Speaker 8: in Baltimore on ten ten WLB. And if you're in

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Speaker 8: the Washington DC metro here the DMV run fourteen fifty

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Speaker 8: WL so mentioned in Sister Orlanda's waiting for us to

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Speaker 8: speak to doctor Shokis, you're on nine four Grand Rising.

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Speaker 8: Sister ORLANDA. You're with doctor Sharckley.

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Speaker 18: Brandon rising, doctor Sharckley, and thank you Carling Nelson for

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Speaker 18: the opportunity to speak. I am now in my sixties.

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Speaker 18: But when doctor Sharckley spoke about the difference of the

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Speaker 18: curriculum in different areas, when I was growing up in

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Speaker 18: Southeast DC, it was called the Chocolate City. But I

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02:28:39,640 --> 02:28:43,160
Speaker 18: was also going to a Maryland school before then. I

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02:28:43,160 --> 02:28:47,000
Speaker 18: wouldn't have never learned the national anthem, the black One,

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Speaker 18: lift every voice and things had I not went to

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Speaker 18: the DC school. So it makes a difference. Even with

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Speaker 18: looking in the book and seeing all these people in

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Speaker 18: the markets and I'm like trying to find my family

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Speaker 18: with a magnifying glass, and I'm like, well, y'all out there.

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Speaker 18: So I'm out there and I've chucked you. I've taken

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Speaker 18: my kids out. So what I have noticed about some

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02:29:10,320 --> 02:29:13,120
Speaker 18: of the school system is the teachers don't get the

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Speaker 18: support they need from the administrators because of the behavior

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Speaker 18: issues that they deal with on comple of time to

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Speaker 18: educate our children. And that's kind of like the comment

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Speaker 18: I wanted to make.

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Speaker 8: I shocked that I appreciate it.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I appreciate that comment. I also seen many instances

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Speaker 14: of teachers not bringing the support that they need from administration.

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Speaker 14: There are a lot of things that are on administrators heads,

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Speaker 14: but one of the problems that we actually had in

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Speaker 14: the relationship to administration and they who go into schools

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Speaker 14: are the rays that administrators are actually trained.

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Speaker 8: I was in a.

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Speaker 14: I was working at an HBCU watching administrative be trained

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Speaker 14: in a specific environment that I was able to view

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Speaker 14: some years ago, and I remember them being told, but

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Speaker 14: what matters is in these scores that you're that these

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Speaker 14: these scores you get. What matters is your relationship.

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Speaker 7: To the board.

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Speaker 14: What that person was saying is that in order to

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Speaker 14: keep your job. We were actually training. This is a

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Speaker 14: training for superintendents, and I was saying that in order

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Speaker 14: to keep your job as a superintendent, what you really

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Speaker 14: need to be worried about is how does a board

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Speaker 14: see you. This person was sort of saying, this person

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Speaker 14: had been a superintendent for many years, and they were

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Speaker 14: all black person and they were sort of transmitting this

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Speaker 14: information that if you want to keep your job, you

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Speaker 14: need to worry about your relationship with the board. What

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Speaker 14: I took from that is we're here to keep our jomas.

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Speaker 14: We're here to make this money, which of course we

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Speaker 14: all had to pay bills. But what I did not

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Speaker 14: hear in that session was we're here to serve our

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Speaker 14: children in our community. In that same session, I also

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Speaker 14: heard didn't tell principles superintendent hopeful superintendents all of them

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Speaker 14: are current principles, most of them. I also heard, you

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Speaker 14: need to make sure that your head looks a certain way.

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Speaker 14: And one of the students who that locks was pointed out,

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Speaker 14: and we start to that person, you're going to have

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Speaker 14: to cut that off your head. Another person was pointed

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Speaker 14: out in terms of what she was wearing, and you're

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Speaker 14: not going to get a job wearing that.

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Speaker 17: It was I had sort of a.

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Speaker 14: More cultural sort of attirement. So what I'm trying to

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Speaker 14: get across is that in the trip, in the training

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Speaker 14: that we're offering to tholks who are going into administration.

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Speaker 10: Is not.

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Speaker 14: Let's say, our community from bad schools and things, our

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Speaker 14: children from bad education. When administrators are often getting here,

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Speaker 14: how do you play the day? And I see, of course,

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Speaker 14: when you teach school administrators, which I've done for many years,

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Speaker 14: one of the things that they expect when they come

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Speaker 14: to your classroom is more of that, and you'll be

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Speaker 14: surprised at the degree to which they don't like it

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Speaker 14: when you try to teach their things that are going

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Speaker 14: to help them become community advocates. They don't want to

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Speaker 14: hear that. They want to hear how can I get

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Speaker 14: this job that they don't already have it, that they

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Speaker 14: do ad it, how can I keep it and be

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Speaker 14: promoted to a higher position. So when I'm hooking the

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Speaker 14: folks who have children in the system and people who

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Speaker 14: care about what's happening to children, what here is. No,

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Speaker 14: we're not going to be able to use the schools

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Speaker 14: to help us get thren. We're going to have to

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Speaker 14: increase the number of rights or passage programs. We're going

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Speaker 14: to have to teach our children who they are in

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Speaker 14: terms of identity, helping them understand who they are in

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Speaker 14: terms of identity and a sense of cultural awareness. We're

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Speaker 14: going to have to make sure that we understand the

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Speaker 14: difference between education and as Marmy may shoed, you would say, schooling,

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Speaker 14: the difference between education and schooling. We're going to have

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Speaker 14: to see the schools as a stipe for nation building.

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Speaker 14: But the schools themselves are not going to do it.

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Speaker 14: I think the black people in twenty years will be

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Speaker 14: ready for this. They will say we've had enough of

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02:34:08,040 --> 02:34:10,520
Speaker 14: the schools being used just in the place for people

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02:34:10,560 --> 02:34:16,360
Speaker 14: to have employment, as a place to play schools, and

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Speaker 14: I think that they'll start to demand these changes. I

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Speaker 14: just don't think that we're currently understanding that the reason

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Speaker 14: why we keep losing is because the generations are being

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Speaker 14: prepared and under the system of white supremacy within the schools,

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Speaker 14: regenerating this entire act that continuesly going on. And we

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Speaker 14: only have a very few number of schools like Nation

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Speaker 14: House at Washington, d C. And other schools with jewishula,

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Speaker 14: where children are actually being taught how to think in

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Speaker 14: a way that's positive for the larger black community. So

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Speaker 14: I just think that at this point, I guess we're

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Speaker 14: just not ready to do that.

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Speaker 8: Right and tear away from the topic, let me ask

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Speaker 8: this little doctor shacket, are you know where it has

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02:35:04,360 --> 02:35:07,560
Speaker 8: the administration yet come down on schools, you know, like

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Speaker 8: they've done with the libraries. If they want to, you know,

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Speaker 8: I guess, root out anything that's quote unquote what they

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02:35:14,600 --> 02:35:18,000
Speaker 8: term is woke. They want to turn about improper ideology,

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Speaker 8: that's what they said about the libraries. And if they

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02:35:20,879 --> 02:35:24,160
Speaker 8: don't they don't acquiesce to what the administration is saying,

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Speaker 8: they're going to lose their federal funding. Do that has

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Speaker 8: flowed down into our school system they have the public

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Speaker 8: school system.

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Speaker 14: You know, if that was happening, I'd being happy because

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02:35:35,680 --> 02:35:38,720
Speaker 14: every meaning that we were actually doing something and finding

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02:35:38,879 --> 02:35:43,240
Speaker 14: for something that they become event What they probably found

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02:35:43,320 --> 02:35:46,720
Speaker 14: out is there's so many rope stuff happening in schools,

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02:35:46,800 --> 02:35:50,840
Speaker 14: but the administration doesn't have to do anything. They're literally

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Speaker 14: woke stuff happening in schools. There's no issue there. It's

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Speaker 14: almost the same as the administration coming with draft administration

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Speaker 14: coming out of good school race theory. There was no

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02:36:01,360 --> 02:36:04,600
Speaker 14: critical race theory happening in schools. Critical race theory is

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Speaker 14: a very difficult theory to be across the people. How

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02:36:08,000 --> 02:36:11,240
Speaker 14: can we understand that? So people are going to use

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02:36:11,320 --> 02:36:14,560
Speaker 14: critical race theory in schools, but they made an issue

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02:36:14,560 --> 02:36:19,280
Speaker 14: with it. Unfortunately, we don't need for Trump to come

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02:36:19,320 --> 02:36:22,320
Speaker 14: in and say, hey, stop that the we'll provoke stop

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02:36:22,440 --> 02:36:24,920
Speaker 14: in schools. It's just not happening.

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Speaker 8: Well, I got to ask you this then, So who

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02:36:29,400 --> 02:36:32,480
Speaker 8: needs to know this? Information more our children about our

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02:36:32,600 --> 02:36:35,160
Speaker 8: history or the other folks who think that we have

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02:36:35,600 --> 02:36:38,800
Speaker 8: we're just useless eaters. We have now accomplished anything since

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02:36:38,800 --> 02:36:40,920
Speaker 8: we've been on the planet. We're just taking a space

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02:36:41,000 --> 02:36:45,760
Speaker 8: and breathing rare earth. Who needs to know more about

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02:36:45,879 --> 02:36:48,120
Speaker 8: you know? And we accomplish a lot of stuff, a

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02:36:48,160 --> 02:36:50,240
Speaker 8: lot of great things. They don't even know that it

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02:36:50,400 --> 02:36:52,400
Speaker 8: was a black man or a black woman invented some

1287
02:36:52,480 --> 02:36:55,360
Speaker 8: of these things that we could go do it days

1288
02:36:55,400 --> 02:36:57,360
Speaker 8: of talking about what these are the ones we know,

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02:36:57,680 --> 02:37:00,400
Speaker 8: not the ones that were stolen. Who needs to know

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Speaker 8: this information more? Though?

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Speaker 14: Well, I mean I would argue that we need to

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Speaker 14: know the information more. I think that in many cases.

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Speaker 14: In some cases, let me try to use an example,

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Speaker 14: a couple of I don't know, maybe a couple of

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Speaker 14: weeks ago, three weeks ago, I was going into a

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Speaker 14: school in Virginia, Northern Virginia, not too far from DC,

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Speaker 14: where the principal that we were talking for a while

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Speaker 14: was the blackmail principle, and he wanted me to work

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Speaker 14: with the DEI. They have a DBI person at that school,

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Speaker 14: and that person is responsible for putting up together at

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Speaker 14: the cultural programs, making sure the school is meeting the

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Speaker 14: school district's recommendations or requirements, policies related to diversity, equity

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Speaker 14: and inclusion, kinds of things like that come in and

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Speaker 14: won worked with that person and helped them grow up

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Speaker 14: and you know, make it, make it better. Well, was

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Speaker 14: it interesting when I finally met the DEI person it

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Speaker 14: was a white woman who had absid that this never

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Speaker 14: had no intention of changing any of the things that

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Speaker 14: the principal says he wants change. Now, this is the

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Speaker 14: principle in the school that's mostly a The school is

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Speaker 14: mostly white students, but it's a lot of diversity from

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Speaker 14: around the country, US, around the world, et cetera in

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Speaker 14: the school as well, but it's still majority white. And

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Speaker 14: I guess the principle doesn't know that. The issue that

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Speaker 14: the placement of that principle is that he's in a

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Speaker 14: situation where the people, the people working the school, mostly

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Speaker 14: white bad kind of have him there. Symbolically, he's not

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Speaker 14: really he really doesn't have the power that the principal

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Speaker 14: needs to have in the school, but asking needs to

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Speaker 14: come in and do stuff because he can't do it

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Speaker 14: or really doesn't want to work, whatever the issue is

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Speaker 14: with him. But this woman knows that she's placed in

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Speaker 14: a community of people who are not going to have

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Speaker 14: a bunch of black stuff being taught in the school,

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Speaker 14: even though they do have black students who are oppressed

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Speaker 14: in that environment. So it's an interesting thing. I think

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Speaker 14: that that she comes off to him like she's open

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Speaker 14: to change, but she's actually not. She's actually in the way,

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Speaker 14: not going to change. Wants to maintain the dynamic that's

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Speaker 14: in the school and is an enormous gap in achievement

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Speaker 14: between white students and black students. Just like a lot

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Speaker 14: of people are place as what I was talking about earlier,

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Speaker 14: strategic placements within school systems and within buildings to make

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Speaker 14: sure that only certain kinds of things can happen there.

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Speaker 14: I mean, it's just it's like we're talking about do

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Speaker 14: they need to know the white folks need to know

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Speaker 14: the stuff? Really white people, they're fully against any motion

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Speaker 14: that we're going to have certain kinds of things happening

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Speaker 14: around here. So when you think that what they need

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Speaker 14: is education, they are practicing an act of war against

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Speaker 14: the black children, consciously and against the black community consciously.

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Speaker 14: Information isn't an issue for them. The issue for them

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Speaker 14: is maintaining the status quo. That's what they want to do.

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Speaker 14: So we kind of think, well they maybe they listen form.

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Speaker 14: So that's why I say that we need the information

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Speaker 14: and then we need to be taught how to I

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Speaker 14: guess behave in a more black nationalist way where we

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Speaker 14: would know what to do with that information so that

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Speaker 14: we can get wins. The white community at large in

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Speaker 14: education wants to maintain the status quo. They're very serious

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Speaker 14: about it. They're very strategic about placing people into positions

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Speaker 14: to make sure that the status quo is maintained. So

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Speaker 14: that's part of the war why I named the film

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Speaker 14: cultural Gore. We will focus on black youth looking at

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Speaker 14: the ways that the system of white supremacy is using,

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Speaker 14: even in this instance, placement of people one of certain

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Speaker 14: black people put them in place to make sure that

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Speaker 14: we can't quito. So were I could start thinking of it,

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Speaker 14: I think more of that part. What do we want

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Speaker 14: to be on our side of doctor Rowson's chessboard? What's

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Speaker 14: going to happen on the back side of the chessboard

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Speaker 14: so that we don't continue to lose?

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Speaker 8: Gotcha? Three minutes away from the top of our family,

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Speaker 8: we got to take short breaks of our stations can

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Speaker 8: identify themselves down and let me come back. I want

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Speaker 8: to talk about the film, but also how much power

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Speaker 8: do we have as parents or grandparents or just as

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Speaker 8: an adults because I keep hearing from our teachers that

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Speaker 8: many of us don't show up to Parent Teachers Association,

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Speaker 8: meaning is that a major issue? Can you address that

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Speaker 8: when we get that family? You want to get in

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Speaker 8: on this discussion with our guess, doctor Keemmick Shockley's.

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Speaker 14: Eight five zero.

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Speaker 1: Fourteen fifteen w O L Washington d C ninety five

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Speaker 1: point nine W two four zero DJ w mmj HD

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Speaker 1: three w DCJFM HD three at worldwide at w ol

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Speaker 1: dcnews dot com.

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Speaker 16: of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect

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Speaker 16: the views of Urban One Incorporated, Radio one or any

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Speaker 16: of its subsidiary companies.

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Speaker 1: You're fucking with the most submitted the Carl Nelson Show.

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02:43:58,200 --> 02:44:00,400
Speaker 1: You're fucking with the most submitting.

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Speaker 8: And ground rising family. If I'm just starting your week

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Speaker 8: with us this holiday week for some if you are traveling,

1386
02:44:28,760 --> 02:44:31,160
Speaker 8: please take us with you. Just download the app from

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Speaker 8: any of our radio stations and you can listen to

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02:44:33,080 --> 02:44:35,000
Speaker 8: us all week long. We're going to be here. Eight

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Speaker 8: hundred and four or five zero, seventy eight to seventy six.

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Speaker 8: Those are the magic numbers. You need to keep those

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Speaker 8: numbers handed so you can speak to all. I guess

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Speaker 8: right now, I guess it's educator and African educator, doctor

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Speaker 8: Kemmick Shockley, And before he left for the break, and

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Speaker 8: my question to him was about the embolvement of parents

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Speaker 8: when it comes to our children's education. Dr Shark, keep

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Speaker 8: hearing from our teachers. We don't show up from parents

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Speaker 8: teachers and meetings. Is this an issue or is this

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Speaker 8: true or it's just an aberration.

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Speaker 14: It's definitely true that there are very few parents that

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Speaker 14: tend to show up for a parent teachers constant. But

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Speaker 14: at the same time, a lot of black parents are interested,

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Speaker 14: especially for black boys, in getting mentors, people who can

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02:45:22,240 --> 02:45:25,040
Speaker 14: help their kids. But a lot of times the parents

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02:45:25,120 --> 02:45:26,960
Speaker 14: are working, a lot of times your parents are tired,

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02:45:27,040 --> 02:45:29,840
Speaker 14: and a lot of times your parents don't feel as

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Speaker 14: those school environments are very welcoming to them. So that

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Speaker 14: is an issue. I will say yes to that one,

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Speaker 14: all right.

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Speaker 8: Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight semi

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Speaker 8: six hilarities Joiners, he's online one. He's calling for Washington

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Speaker 8: d C. He's got a question for me. Trand Rising,

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Speaker 8: you're on with doctor Shockley.

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Speaker 15: Grand Rising. There's a sense and if education. It's a

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Speaker 15: saying that says, if education is the key, why they

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Speaker 15: make it so expensive for we? I would like to

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Speaker 15: know at what age is it not required? Because we

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Speaker 15: know the government won't let school children pray, But at

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Speaker 15: what age does it's not required to say our pledge

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Speaker 15: of legions to the flag in school because once you

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Speaker 15: give you a legiance, it is over. You're under their control.

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Speaker 15: So that's my question about allegiance.

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Speaker 8: Well, thanks, Larry, I mean, I guess.

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Speaker 14: The answered the legs. You can say that at any age,

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Speaker 14: and note that it is not required that students say

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Speaker 14: the pleasure of allegiance in schools is not required a

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Speaker 14: teacher say it either.

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Speaker 8: All right, I gotta ask you this question before we

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Speaker 8: talk about the documentary. Is there a shortage of male

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Speaker 8: black teachers in our school system or is it just

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Speaker 8: a public school system?

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Speaker 14: Is definitely you said as in what school system? As George,

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Speaker 14: just the public school system.

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Speaker 8: It's a public school system or in private schools. Oh, okay,

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Speaker 8: male teachers.

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Speaker 14: Yes, there is a shortage of black male teachers. But

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Speaker 14: I've always said that the teacher shortage, there's a black

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Speaker 14: teacher shortage as well, And I've always I've always thought

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Speaker 14: that there's really what the shortage is is conscious, culturally

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Speaker 14: conscious black teachers, not just black teachers, because a black

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Speaker 14: teacher who is not culturally conscious can sometimes just as

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Speaker 14: much damage as a white teacher who's not conscious about

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Speaker 14: what black children need. So I think what we really

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Speaker 14: want for our teachers just for them to be conscious

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Speaker 14: and for them to know what exactly are the things

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Speaker 14: that we want to sort of make sure black children

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Speaker 14: are prepared for. And when we had the Black Power

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02:48:03,360 --> 02:48:07,120
Speaker 14: Conference recently that was out of gone, I was going

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02:48:07,200 --> 02:48:09,080
Speaker 14: to go in person, but I wasn't able to travel

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02:48:09,120 --> 02:48:16,200
Speaker 14: there this year, I presented to them a number of

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Speaker 14: different things that I think we need to make sure

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Speaker 14: Black children are taught. And if you are a conscious

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Speaker 14: Black teacher, you should be able to teach our children

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02:48:27,360 --> 02:48:31,240
Speaker 14: these things. One, how to be a black person, a

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Speaker 14: fully black person in a Eurocentric society, because I think

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02:48:37,520 --> 02:48:40,920
Speaker 14: what happens is that there's more successful Black students who

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02:48:42,120 --> 02:48:46,400
Speaker 14: may do well in school, oftentimes they can't figure out

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Speaker 14: how can I be a black person and still be

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Speaker 14: successful in this eurocentric school? So then they start doing

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Speaker 14: things that sometimes called the black children to call them

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Speaker 14: oreo in other names. Now, what doesn't happen as much

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Speaker 14: as people would like to believe it does, but it

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Speaker 14: can be an issue. We don't know how how can

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Speaker 14: I be successful and black? Because there's so many examples

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Speaker 14: of being successful in black but how many of them

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02:49:17,000 --> 02:49:20,520
Speaker 14: are culturally conscious. We need to teach our children how

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Speaker 14: to deal with the boring and irrelevant education system.

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Speaker 7: How do you deal with that?

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Speaker 14: So we have to prepare them that are that will

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Speaker 14: require much more serious minded approaches because the school rewards

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Speaker 14: compliance more than more than critical or even collective thinking.

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Speaker 14: A black person can only really be thinking critically if

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Speaker 14: you're thinking in a Black centered, in an African centered way.

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Speaker 14: So we have to stop thinking of the system as

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Speaker 14: just a place to get credentials. But we want our

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02:49:54,480 --> 02:49:56,960
Speaker 14: young people to have liberation knowledge. That's a thing that

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Speaker 14: black teachers need to teach, and that all teachers need

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Speaker 14: to teach Black children. Somebody has to teach our children.

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Speaker 14: An issue that a lot of black youth have is

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Speaker 14: listening to black people talk about the problems in the

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Speaker 14: system of white supremacy, but the people who are often

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Speaker 14: familiar to them are white people. So white teachers, white people,

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Speaker 14: and white systems off and friendly to black children when

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Speaker 14: they're not doing other kinds of things to them, and

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Speaker 14: sometimes within schools, the black staff are much more guarded.

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Speaker 14: So you have white people being friendly to the kids,

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Speaker 14: you have black people being guarded with the kids, and

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Speaker 14: that confuses black people. They can't figure out while you're

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Speaker 14: talking about these these white people when many of them

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Speaker 14: are nice to them. So we have to help white

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Speaker 14: young people understand the difference between white supremacy and the

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Speaker 14: system of white supremacy and looking at individual white people

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Speaker 14: in relationship to how they might behave towards you. So

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Speaker 14: they have to know that who they are culturally. They

1494
02:51:06,000 --> 02:51:10,320
Speaker 14: have to understand something about the obsession that this system

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Speaker 14: has with black people, because I think it's confusing for

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Speaker 14: black adults ees. So to understand what is the obsession

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Speaker 14: that the system of white supremacy has a black people,

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02:51:21,720 --> 02:51:27,760
Speaker 14: and then how do we deal with that? While we

1499
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Speaker 14: always the center of attention in the system of white supremacy.

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Speaker 14: We need to pick up my mum behind me and

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Speaker 14: teach our children how to understand uruguru. These are things

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02:51:39,000 --> 02:51:42,959
Speaker 14: that black youth need to understand the spirit of your group,

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02:51:43,240 --> 02:51:46,480
Speaker 14: the spirit of the incomplete being, and the things that

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Speaker 14: that incomplete being does to create confusion for the black community,

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02:51:52,200 --> 02:51:55,160
Speaker 14: which sometimes it looks like we're doing it to ourselves,

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02:51:55,240 --> 02:51:58,360
Speaker 14: but there is actually a system at play that they

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Speaker 14: need to understand. Recognizing rubue can help prevent internalization of

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02:52:04,560 --> 02:52:08,840
Speaker 14: your rubue ways of being. And then the idea that well,

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02:52:09,280 --> 02:52:11,680
Speaker 14: is it all white people that are causing this problems?

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Speaker 14: That again, teaching our children about the system of white

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Speaker 14: supremacy and how that interplaces with white people to all

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02:52:20,160 --> 02:52:23,760
Speaker 14: a lot of students who might be gay to be

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Speaker 14: more culturally conscious in their thinking, but their hands are not.

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02:52:28,680 --> 02:52:32,360
Speaker 14: So we have many black youth who are not able

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02:52:32,440 --> 02:52:35,040
Speaker 14: to move forward in their consciousness by their own family

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02:52:35,600 --> 02:52:38,840
Speaker 14: and their non black peers and get drawn into things

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02:52:38,879 --> 02:52:41,360
Speaker 14: because there's no one to help them learn how to

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02:52:41,520 --> 02:52:44,600
Speaker 14: think in a forward way for the black community. So

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02:52:45,080 --> 02:52:48,600
Speaker 14: literation consciousness is not inherent. We're going to have to

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02:52:48,720 --> 02:52:52,080
Speaker 14: teach black children how to think in a culturally conscious,

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02:52:52,480 --> 02:52:55,920
Speaker 14: literated mindset way. These are things that we need to do.

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02:52:56,280 --> 02:52:59,400
Speaker 14: We need mentors and elders to replace some of those models.

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02:52:59,600 --> 02:53:01,360
Speaker 14: And then I a little bit of listening about maybe

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02:53:01,440 --> 02:53:05,119
Speaker 14: ten other things that I think black need to come

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02:53:05,280 --> 02:53:09,240
Speaker 14: from the Black community and black teachers, not just black teachers,

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02:53:09,680 --> 02:53:11,840
Speaker 14: but culturally conscious black teachers.

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Speaker 8: You know, having said that a ten after the top

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02:53:15,520 --> 02:53:18,960
Speaker 8: of our family with doctor Chemick, Shockey educated doctor ed

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02:53:19,160 --> 02:53:24,320
Speaker 8: Nichols psychology. So black children learn differently from white children.

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Speaker 8: You know, White folks are upset with that concept. They says, oh,

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02:53:28,240 --> 02:53:30,080
Speaker 8: we all got the same red blood, we all got

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02:53:30,560 --> 02:53:33,480
Speaker 8: everything is the same with us physically. But he's but

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02:53:33,920 --> 02:53:36,800
Speaker 8: doctor Nichols challenges us. I'm not quite sure if which

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02:53:36,840 --> 02:53:40,280
Speaker 8: one's autratory being hearing, and which one's more visual. But

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Speaker 8: he says there's a difference, uh between learning which was

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02:53:44,200 --> 02:53:47,480
Speaker 8: more impactful on students black and white. Sus. Have you

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02:53:47,640 --> 02:53:48,600
Speaker 8: found this to be true?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I'm actually familiar with doctor Nichol's philosophical aspects of

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02:53:54,080 --> 02:53:58,080
Speaker 14: cultural difference that he talks about. I think it's true.

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02:53:58,400 --> 02:54:01,720
Speaker 14: When I'm well, what he's basically saying is that in

1541
02:54:01,840 --> 02:54:05,560
Speaker 14: terms of values and ways of sort of knowing things

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02:54:06,200 --> 02:54:10,600
Speaker 14: that Europeans have a certain way of doing that. For example,

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02:54:11,120 --> 02:54:14,640
Speaker 14: the European sees an object as being the most important

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02:54:14,720 --> 02:54:21,680
Speaker 14: thing to acquire. The African person sees the relationship with

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02:54:21,959 --> 02:54:24,359
Speaker 14: other members of the group as being the most important

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02:54:24,400 --> 02:54:26,720
Speaker 14: thing to acquire. And then he goes on and has

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02:54:26,840 --> 02:54:31,640
Speaker 14: ones for Asians and other groups, etc. Now, I think that,

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02:54:31,920 --> 02:54:37,240
Speaker 14: for example, the way that people of African descent know things,

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02:54:37,800 --> 02:54:40,840
Speaker 14: he says, is to do symbolic imagery and different things

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02:54:40,920 --> 02:54:43,760
Speaker 14: of that nature. The way that Europeans know things is

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02:54:43,800 --> 02:54:46,520
Speaker 14: through counting and measure. Now, when I think about my

1552
02:54:46,680 --> 02:54:52,680
Speaker 14: experience at different universities, so I've taught of HBCUs and

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02:54:53,520 --> 02:54:58,280
Speaker 14: did I see black people? Was my experience that Black

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02:54:58,360 --> 02:55:04,440
Speaker 14: people were sort of a more spiritually and symbolic imagery

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02:55:04,560 --> 02:55:09,360
Speaker 14: and nic Yes, I've also taught it to P Wis

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02:55:09,400 --> 02:55:12,120
Speaker 14: white schools. Was it about counting and measure?

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02:55:12,640 --> 02:55:12,840
Speaker 15: Yes?

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Speaker 14: Do I see this difference coming out in Black communities

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02:55:17,200 --> 02:55:21,280
Speaker 14: and in my experience with white communities, yes. So I

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02:55:21,400 --> 02:55:27,480
Speaker 14: think the work where my concern comes in is the degree,

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02:55:27,560 --> 02:55:32,040
Speaker 14: the degree to which when losing our connectedness, connectedness with

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02:55:32,200 --> 02:55:37,360
Speaker 14: our own selves, are we going to remain who we are.

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02:55:38,000 --> 02:55:39,520
Speaker 14: And this is why I think we have to have

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02:55:39,640 --> 02:55:42,880
Speaker 14: an alarm sounding about what's happening with Black children in schools,

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02:55:43,720 --> 02:55:48,440
Speaker 14: because eventually if we're if we're not careful and don't

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02:55:48,959 --> 02:55:53,039
Speaker 14: really focus on the need for cultural consciousness, we will

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02:55:53,120 --> 02:55:58,000
Speaker 14: no longer be symbolic imagery and disting. We will no

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02:55:58,160 --> 02:56:00,240
Speaker 14: longer be member to member are.

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Speaker 1: We will be.

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Speaker 14: Focused on the acquisition of the object as well. We

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02:56:06,160 --> 02:56:10,240
Speaker 14: will become linear as sequential, which I can see happening

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02:56:10,280 --> 02:56:13,840
Speaker 14: if we're not careful about who are about how our

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02:56:13,920 --> 02:56:16,800
Speaker 14: children are being educated, so we'll be looking at complete

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02:56:16,840 --> 02:56:20,560
Speaker 14: strangers in our young people. They'll lose their sort of

1575
02:56:21,560 --> 02:56:25,960
Speaker 14: what Nicholas calls a black focus on critical path analysis,

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02:56:26,080 --> 02:56:29,200
Speaker 14: the idea that the way we do things, in the

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02:56:29,240 --> 02:56:32,800
Speaker 14: way that we do things methodologically is not through align

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02:56:33,000 --> 02:56:35,960
Speaker 14: but it can be a circle, et cetera. This is

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02:56:36,000 --> 02:56:39,320
Speaker 14: the reason why we can't just let generations of black

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02:56:39,360 --> 02:56:43,000
Speaker 14: people continue to be to go through schooling without the

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02:56:43,120 --> 02:56:46,240
Speaker 14: cultural consciousness and then expect people to get well, it's

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02:56:46,240 --> 02:56:48,039
Speaker 14: okay because when you get older you can learn all

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02:56:48,120 --> 02:56:53,640
Speaker 14: that stuff. Well, I think that we're we're not doing

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02:56:53,680 --> 02:56:55,800
Speaker 14: ourselves any favors. We're looking at it like that. So

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Speaker 14: I do think that I do know doctor nicolebas I've

1586
02:56:58,160 --> 02:57:00,960
Speaker 14: been a hosted for and I was in music.

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Speaker 10: Uh.

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Speaker 14: I went to music one time and doctor Nichols came

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02:57:05,040 --> 02:57:07,200
Speaker 14: to watch me do a musical for woman. So I

1590
02:57:07,280 --> 02:57:09,840
Speaker 14: have familiar with both doctor niggles Anders' work. I think

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02:57:09,879 --> 02:57:13,480
Speaker 14: the genius I think it was to be better aware

1592
02:57:14,080 --> 02:57:18,280
Speaker 14: of the work that he has the uh Critical Aspects

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02:57:18,280 --> 02:57:19,359
Speaker 14: of culturer.

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Speaker 8: O Shay fourteen. After that top there, Miss Richardson is

1595
02:57:23,600 --> 02:57:26,320
Speaker 8: checking in on Ryon wat Brand Rise and Miss Richardson,

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02:57:26,400 --> 02:57:27,520
Speaker 8: you're on with doctor Sharkley.

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Speaker 9: Yes, then Rise and Carl me doctor Starkley, Doctor Sharkley,

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Speaker 9: could you because we're having some devastating period in this

1599
02:57:39,760 --> 02:57:42,520
Speaker 9: time where blacks are out in the streets. And Carl

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02:57:42,600 --> 02:57:45,320
Speaker 9: said it earlier that black men has got to do

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02:57:45,480 --> 02:57:50,040
Speaker 9: better and he can't be any writers because what's going

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02:57:50,120 --> 02:57:52,960
Speaker 9: on in the streets on a daily basis are black

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02:57:53,160 --> 02:57:57,800
Speaker 9: cussing at each other in these major areas of Washington,

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02:57:58,000 --> 02:58:03,280
Speaker 9: like Georgia Avenue, even into Silver Spring. You see them

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02:58:03,400 --> 02:58:06,680
Speaker 9: fighting women the other night too, women were fighting each

1606
02:58:06,720 --> 02:58:10,280
Speaker 9: other black women, And I just don't understand, do we

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02:58:10,400 --> 02:58:13,520
Speaker 9: see this as being entertainment for the for the Anglo

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02:58:13,640 --> 02:58:17,600
Speaker 9: Saxon Because at slavery, that's what we're set up to do,

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02:58:18,000 --> 02:58:22,000
Speaker 9: is to perform for the masters. They the masters had

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02:58:22,080 --> 02:58:25,360
Speaker 9: them for to perform, and it got into their blood

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02:58:25,440 --> 02:58:27,240
Speaker 9: to do just that, to just stay there.

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02:58:27,879 --> 02:58:30,280
Speaker 19: So what is this thing with black people where they

1613
02:58:30,480 --> 02:58:34,040
Speaker 19: have to be in an entertainment mode to look like

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02:58:34,120 --> 02:58:38,120
Speaker 19: they're appeasing to these white folks out here and on

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02:58:38,280 --> 02:58:41,600
Speaker 19: a daily basis, and white don't even pay them no mine,

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02:58:41,680 --> 02:58:44,640
Speaker 19: They look at them and crown. White people don't want

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02:58:44,640 --> 02:58:46,720
Speaker 19: to be bothered with black people. If you you know,

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02:58:47,560 --> 02:58:49,840
Speaker 19: Nearly Fuller said, all you have to do is look

1619
02:58:50,720 --> 02:58:53,240
Speaker 19: Nearly the great Late Nearly Fuller said it.

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Speaker 14: He was so right.

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Speaker 19: We're not conscious, doctor Sharpley, what we're doing. We're performing

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02:58:58,879 --> 02:59:00,440
Speaker 19: for masters way.

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Speaker 8: And I used to call it many. We'll come up

1624
02:59:04,280 --> 02:59:05,680
Speaker 8: on a break. Can you put in a question for

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02:59:05,800 --> 02:59:07,080
Speaker 8: him so he can respond.

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Speaker 19: Yes, okay, yes, sir, Yes, because doctor, doctor, because you

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02:59:11,760 --> 02:59:15,480
Speaker 19: tell me what can be done with the hood. Because

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02:59:15,680 --> 02:59:17,760
Speaker 19: people in the hood seem to think.

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02:59:18,000 --> 02:59:18,880
Speaker 14: To be this way.

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02:59:19,080 --> 02:59:20,119
Speaker 8: It is black culture.

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02:59:20,720 --> 02:59:24,840
Speaker 19: Albert A. Doctor al Sharpton with him, it's not Black

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02:59:24,920 --> 02:59:27,880
Speaker 19: culture for black people to be negative and to be

1633
02:59:28,200 --> 02:59:32,480
Speaker 19: responding that way, not showing any amount of education. And

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02:59:32,560 --> 02:59:35,040
Speaker 19: I'm not saying that's all black people call. I'm just

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02:59:35,120 --> 02:59:37,440
Speaker 19: saying the ones I thought with Ju sees on a

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02:59:37,520 --> 02:59:40,199
Speaker 19: daily basis, they gilded.

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Speaker 14: No education.

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Speaker 19: Of thank you.

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02:59:51,160 --> 02:59:55,080
Speaker 14: Okay, Yeah, I think that my cousins within his book

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Speaker 14: Breaking the Change of Psychological Slavery about the different spots

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Speaker 14: that are left the sense talks about how the right

1642
03:00:07,320 --> 03:00:10,720
Speaker 14: man takes demand spot, and then one of the spots

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03:00:10,760 --> 03:00:13,560
Speaker 14: that's left is born, and of course he goes on

1644
03:00:13,800 --> 03:00:16,280
Speaker 14: for a while and then talks about the cloud. So

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03:00:16,680 --> 03:00:20,000
Speaker 14: one of the spots that's left for us when we're

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03:00:20,080 --> 03:00:25,800
Speaker 14: not aware is the clown that we can become. That

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03:00:26,040 --> 03:00:31,199
Speaker 14: we're allowed to sort of become clown within within our neighborhood,

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Speaker 14: within our sphears, because that's a spot that it's okay

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Speaker 14: to be in. I also think that we have a

1650
03:00:38,840 --> 03:00:44,320
Speaker 14: lot of when it comes to the situation opportunity when

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Speaker 14: you're not controlling the.

1652
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Speaker 15: Community.

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Speaker 14: Black men are supposed to be in position of leadership

1654
03:00:53,800 --> 03:00:57,320
Speaker 14: in the community. But when we're not in the leadership

1655
03:00:57,400 --> 03:01:00,600
Speaker 14: spot that you're supposed to be in. That's going to

1656
03:01:00,680 --> 03:01:04,200
Speaker 14: create problems within your community, because well, what spire you

1657
03:01:04,320 --> 03:01:06,680
Speaker 14: in the spot that you're actually we're actually in as

1658
03:01:06,760 --> 03:01:12,000
Speaker 14: black men and as black people is a subservient role,

1659
03:01:12,280 --> 03:01:15,880
Speaker 14: subservient spot within a society. We don't control our own

1660
03:01:15,959 --> 03:01:20,160
Speaker 14: destiny within our community. We can if we do certain things,

1661
03:01:20,840 --> 03:01:24,080
Speaker 14: but currently we're not bully in control of what's happening

1662
03:01:24,160 --> 03:01:27,680
Speaker 14: within our own community. We have some control that really

1663
03:01:27,800 --> 03:01:31,080
Speaker 14: someone else controls the image. So if.

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Speaker 8: The doc and we got to take the break. When

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Speaker 8: we come back, and if you finish your thought, also

1666
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Speaker 8: talk about it bonics. We use it bonics in school.

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Speaker 8: I also want to talk about the cultural war focus

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Speaker 8: on black heths. Family YouTube beginning on this conversation with

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Speaker 8: doctor Kennick Shockley's an educator. Reach out to us at

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Speaker 8: eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six and

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Speaker 8: we'll take your phone calls.

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Speaker 1: Next fourteen fifty wol Now back to the Karl Nelson Show.

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Speaker 8: And Grant Rising family. Thanks for starting your week with us,

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03:03:02,480 --> 03:03:04,199
Speaker 8: and if you did out of town this week, please

1675
03:03:04,240 --> 03:03:06,720
Speaker 8: take us along. Just download the app from any of

1676
03:03:06,760 --> 03:03:08,720
Speaker 8: our stations and taking them along. So you can get

1677
03:03:08,760 --> 03:03:11,080
Speaker 8: all this great information we got coming up later this week.

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Speaker 8: Currently speaking with doctor Chemis Shaky. He's a Prian African educator,

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Speaker 8: Doctor Shaki, As you finish your thought, then we want

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Speaker 8: to talk about your documentary, but also ebonics should ebonics,

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Speaker 8: You know, there's a big debate a few years back

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Speaker 8: about whether ebonics should be taught in schools and ebonics

1683
03:03:26,920 --> 03:03:29,520
Speaker 8: should be treated as a foreign language. So I'll let

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Speaker 8: you discuss that when after you finish updating us on

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Speaker 8: the information you're going to share with us.

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Speaker 14: Before we left for the break, well, basically, I was

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Speaker 14: just talking about the fact that black people do not

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Speaker 14: control their image of black people. So I think that

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Speaker 14: you know, I remember some years ago Bill Consty was

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03:03:48,959 --> 03:03:52,920
Speaker 14: talking about buying NBC, and one of the reasons we

1691
03:03:53,000 --> 03:03:54,880
Speaker 14: wanted to do that was so that we're gonna have

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Speaker 14: more control over how we're depicted and meet. And when

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03:03:59,320 --> 03:04:04,280
Speaker 14: you think about the image control, that's power to have

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03:04:04,400 --> 03:04:09,440
Speaker 14: the ability to decide who decides how black people, how

1695
03:04:09,520 --> 03:04:12,880
Speaker 14: black people look in front of the world. That's not

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03:04:13,040 --> 03:04:18,120
Speaker 14: something that black people decide on. So it really is

1697
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Speaker 14: about having the soueign ability to decide whether or not

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Speaker 14: you know, we're going to be depicted in certain ways,

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Speaker 14: and whoever controls those images, they control how black people

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03:04:30,360 --> 03:04:37,320
Speaker 14: are interpreted and they're presented strategically. So we have to

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03:04:37,480 --> 03:04:41,119
Speaker 14: understand that all of these things cause us to behave

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03:04:41,200 --> 03:04:45,080
Speaker 14: in ways because we're looking at examples of things and

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Speaker 14: then oftentimes imitating the example, but we don't have the

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03:04:49,600 --> 03:04:54,160
Speaker 14: power to decide how we're actually portrayed. That as well

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Speaker 14: as just being the most oppressed group within the society,

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03:04:58,400 --> 03:05:03,960
Speaker 14: so that frustration it creates in us. Sometimes we don't

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Speaker 14: have the ability to take it out of the people

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Speaker 14: who are doing it to us, so we do it

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Speaker 14: to each other.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, ebonics, doctor Shakle, your thoughts on ibonics. You know,

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03:05:12,720 --> 03:05:15,080
Speaker 8: we're back in three years back there's a big discussion

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Speaker 8: whether they should be taught in school, whether we should

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Speaker 8: embrace it or we should, you know, teach us children

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Speaker 8: to speak standard English because ebonics is not the communications

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Speaker 8: language is in business and in schools, in higher education.

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Speaker 8: I want to get your thoughts on that before we

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Speaker 8: talk about your documentary.

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Speaker 14: Sure, you know, I think when it comes to that,

1719
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Speaker 14: something that I noticed and starting in around two thousand

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Speaker 14: and three, I was a professor of a PWI and

1721
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Speaker 14: plan to being a professor of this PWI. I always

1722
03:05:53,200 --> 03:05:59,519
Speaker 14: start that black people, I guess speak AAVD or ebonics,

1723
03:06:00,400 --> 03:06:04,640
Speaker 14: and that white people speak I guess more Standard English.

1724
03:06:05,760 --> 03:06:10,160
Speaker 14: But what I found when I started reading white people's

1725
03:06:10,200 --> 03:06:13,720
Speaker 14: papers and listening to them talk more is that they

1726
03:06:13,760 --> 03:06:19,279
Speaker 14: don't use standard English either. And I was more informed

1727
03:06:19,360 --> 03:06:25,000
Speaker 14: on the usage of standard English than they were. I so,

1728
03:06:25,640 --> 03:06:29,240
Speaker 14: in other words, and I really don't think anybody actually

1729
03:06:29,400 --> 03:06:34,600
Speaker 14: uses truly standard English. And when I when when you

1730
03:06:34,760 --> 03:06:39,440
Speaker 14: study how to use English and what proper English would

1731
03:06:39,440 --> 03:06:43,520
Speaker 14: really look like, nobody's doing that. For some reason, it's

1732
03:06:43,560 --> 03:06:48,760
Speaker 14: pointed out that black people don't speak standard English. But

1733
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Speaker 14: it took me two years to get my white students

1734
03:06:53,000 --> 03:06:56,119
Speaker 14: to learn how to write standard English and to get

1735
03:06:56,160 --> 03:06:59,040
Speaker 14: better grades on their papers. And the saying it is

1736
03:06:59,120 --> 03:07:02,160
Speaker 14: true in my work at the University of Houston working

1737
03:07:02,240 --> 03:07:07,640
Speaker 14: with white students. It takes a lot. Black students have

1738
03:07:07,879 --> 03:07:11,880
Speaker 14: us have us a certain way of speaking that I

1739
03:07:11,920 --> 03:07:17,040
Speaker 14: guess is for some people call it ebonys, And you know,

1740
03:07:17,200 --> 03:07:20,600
Speaker 14: some linguists have documented that structure for that for decades.

1741
03:07:22,200 --> 03:07:28,000
Speaker 14: It is consistent grammar to anybody. It's got the tense

1742
03:07:28,120 --> 03:07:31,000
Speaker 14: markers in terms of past the present, since it's got

1743
03:07:32,720 --> 03:07:35,959
Speaker 14: sort of a semantic precision to the bondy the people

1744
03:07:36,480 --> 03:07:39,440
Speaker 14: Black people use certain words to you to say something

1745
03:07:39,600 --> 03:07:42,320
Speaker 14: like everybody wants to be IS, but nobody wants to

1746
03:07:42,400 --> 03:07:46,040
Speaker 14: be You know that you know exactly what that means

1747
03:07:46,560 --> 03:07:50,760
Speaker 14: if you're you know, in a black community. It's language

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Speaker 14: that black people use.

1749
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Speaker 10: Is.

1750
03:07:55,000 --> 03:07:59,800
Speaker 14: It's actually brilliant and there's nothing along with it. Of course,

1751
03:08:01,440 --> 03:08:05,200
Speaker 14: the way that other groups speak, including like people, it

1752
03:08:05,200 --> 03:08:08,560
Speaker 14: is seen as being more standard, when what it is

1753
03:08:09,320 --> 03:08:14,080
Speaker 14: is just more of them. They are not speaking and

1754
03:08:14,200 --> 03:08:18,120
Speaker 14: they are not writing Standard English. That is something that

1755
03:08:18,400 --> 03:08:22,280
Speaker 14: I noticed when I first became a professor. So if

1756
03:08:22,320 --> 03:08:25,600
Speaker 14: I really turned my ear, because my job is to

1757
03:08:25,720 --> 03:08:30,440
Speaker 14: help you to move towards Standard English for lots of

1758
03:08:30,520 --> 03:08:34,680
Speaker 14: reasons and purely writing dissertations and master SPEAKSS, I just

1759
03:08:34,920 --> 03:08:38,440
Speaker 14: noticed that no one's doing it, but people are pointing

1760
03:08:38,520 --> 03:08:41,199
Speaker 14: out that we do it. So I also think about

1761
03:08:41,240 --> 03:08:43,240
Speaker 14: it to the way that black people used to survive

1762
03:08:43,920 --> 03:08:46,440
Speaker 14: because because we need each rade, so we had to

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03:08:46,560 --> 03:08:49,640
Speaker 14: have language that made since for us we couldn't just

1764
03:08:49,920 --> 03:08:53,000
Speaker 14: fully use the English language. We had to create things

1765
03:08:53,560 --> 03:08:55,840
Speaker 14: that we're going to help us to survive and get

1766
03:08:55,879 --> 03:08:57,640
Speaker 14: off the trantation. We have to do the same thing

1767
03:08:57,760 --> 03:09:03,000
Speaker 14: now when they make black children feel like they have

1768
03:09:03,200 --> 03:09:07,920
Speaker 14: to abandon the language that's used in their homes, I

1769
03:09:08,040 --> 03:09:11,879
Speaker 14: think what that does is it begins to disrupt connection

1770
03:09:12,160 --> 03:09:14,520
Speaker 14: to the idea of their identity that we want them

1771
03:09:14,560 --> 03:09:18,680
Speaker 14: to have and mess with your confidence in your Maybe

1772
03:09:19,120 --> 03:09:22,960
Speaker 14: what I might talk conceptual develops because if you can't

1773
03:09:23,040 --> 03:09:25,920
Speaker 14: get your word, can't stay the word and speak it

1774
03:09:26,000 --> 03:09:28,720
Speaker 14: the way your grandmother does because you're afraid that someone's

1775
03:09:28,760 --> 03:09:30,640
Speaker 14: going to think you don't know how to think because

1776
03:09:30,640 --> 03:09:33,480
Speaker 14: of your away of speaking, that's going to mess up

1777
03:09:33,520 --> 03:09:37,960
Speaker 14: your cognitive dedlment. So it's not just emotion. I think

1778
03:09:38,120 --> 03:09:41,640
Speaker 14: that it's in fact neological, and I think it's educational.

1779
03:09:42,800 --> 03:09:46,240
Speaker 14: That then comes to code switching, where I think that

1780
03:09:47,720 --> 03:09:50,920
Speaker 14: that should be seen as a skill, the ability to

1781
03:09:51,040 --> 03:09:57,400
Speaker 14: communicate with the larger society and use White English, not standards,

1782
03:09:58,480 --> 03:10:03,200
Speaker 14: because what people are replacing, right, they're not wanting to

1783
03:10:03,280 --> 03:10:06,640
Speaker 14: say white English because white people don't speak standard English.

1784
03:10:07,480 --> 03:10:10,880
Speaker 14: They want to say that, they say, we call it standards. No,

1785
03:10:11,959 --> 03:10:15,480
Speaker 14: the standard ELI isn't hardly used by anybody, So I

1786
03:10:15,640 --> 03:10:18,879
Speaker 14: think we have to be very careful about.

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Speaker 8: It.

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Speaker 14: Really have something that produces culture that their institutions can't

1789
03:10:24,800 --> 03:10:27,200
Speaker 14: even catch up. But what happens is these institutions begin

1790
03:10:27,320 --> 03:10:31,959
Speaker 14: to use black people's English way of speaking and black

1791
03:10:32,000 --> 03:10:35,959
Speaker 14: people's ways of creating things, and then they put them

1792
03:10:36,080 --> 03:10:41,680
Speaker 14: into their advertisements so that they can sell products. So

1793
03:10:41,920 --> 03:10:45,679
Speaker 14: this is the people who are creating all this creativity

1794
03:10:45,800 --> 03:10:51,800
Speaker 14: with their language that's called ebonics, are helping are happenings

1795
03:10:52,320 --> 03:10:56,680
Speaker 14: institutions sell these products. So there's a level of genius

1796
03:10:56,840 --> 03:11:00,720
Speaker 14: there that oftentimes not being acknowledge.

1797
03:11:01,920 --> 03:11:03,360
Speaker 8: But what is this I was trying to think.

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Speaker 14: Of the one of the McDonald's has.

1799
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Speaker 15: It's a.

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Speaker 14: It's in my mind that they use the ebonic thing

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03:11:10,720 --> 03:11:15,960
Speaker 14: that black people use in that whole foods use it

1802
03:11:16,040 --> 03:11:19,039
Speaker 14: to using the two. There's any institutions now for some reason,

1803
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Speaker 14: I can't think of an example that I know. I'm

1804
03:11:21,280 --> 03:11:26,160
Speaker 14: not seeing these commercials where they're using ebonics to sell products.

1805
03:11:26,560 --> 03:11:30,879
Speaker 14: And even now if you watch movies, people are using

1806
03:11:31,000 --> 03:11:37,360
Speaker 14: black people's ways of speaking, being living, learning to do

1807
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Speaker 14: up every thing and making millions of billions of dollars

1808
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Speaker 14: offer and then coming to us and saying you need

1809
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Speaker 14: to learn to speak standard English, a thing that they

1810
03:11:49,800 --> 03:11:53,760
Speaker 14: don't even do. They don't know the rules of English

1811
03:11:54,280 --> 03:11:57,840
Speaker 14: enough to speak Standard English. People just assume that the

1812
03:11:58,080 --> 03:12:01,840
Speaker 14: way they say it is the current right, but they're

1813
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Speaker 14: not speaking Standard English. And then, as anyone else.

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Speaker 8: Got you twenty nine away from the top, I got

1815
03:12:07,240 --> 03:12:11,000
Speaker 8: a tweet question comment for you, uh doctor shahe Twitter

1816
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Speaker 8: says they wanted to teach evonics schools another way of

1817
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Speaker 8: holding black folks back, because when they get in the world,

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Speaker 8: the real world, where everybody speaks the King's English, nobody

1819
03:12:21,200 --> 03:12:25,119
Speaker 8: would understand what the hell they say your taught?

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Speaker 14: Your phone went out on You're little Could you stay

1821
03:12:29,920 --> 03:12:30,320
Speaker 14: that again?

1822
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Speaker 8: Peaks Yeah. The weird says they wanted to teach evonics

1823
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Speaker 8: in school as another way of holding black folks back,

1824
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Speaker 8: because when they get in the world where everybody speaks

1825
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Speaker 8: the King's English, nobody would understand what the hell they're saying.

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Speaker 14: Nobody speaking the King's English.

1827
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Speaker 8: What people are doing.

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03:12:49,720 --> 03:12:51,760
Speaker 14: Once again, and they think that the way the white

1829
03:12:51,800 --> 03:12:55,879
Speaker 14: people speak is the King's English. Nobody speaks that way.

1830
03:12:56,560 --> 03:12:58,960
Speaker 14: They're just taking the way that black people speak and

1831
03:12:59,160 --> 03:13:02,280
Speaker 14: saying that it's less bad the same way they do

1832
03:13:02,400 --> 03:13:04,920
Speaker 14: with everything black. The way you dress is less bad,

1833
03:13:05,160 --> 03:13:09,640
Speaker 14: but everybody's copying black people's dress. The way you think

1834
03:13:09,760 --> 03:13:13,040
Speaker 14: is less band, but everybody's copying the way that black

1835
03:13:13,080 --> 03:13:16,640
Speaker 14: people think. In terms of like some of these cultural expressions,

1836
03:13:16,720 --> 03:13:18,680
Speaker 14: like in hip hop, you go around the world, people

1837
03:13:18,760 --> 03:13:23,640
Speaker 14: are following everything that black people do. So I don't

1838
03:13:23,760 --> 03:13:27,160
Speaker 14: know if it's necessarily going to hold you back. If

1839
03:13:27,200 --> 03:13:31,240
Speaker 14: we understood the power that's within the things that we create,

1840
03:13:31,680 --> 03:13:35,000
Speaker 14: and I think we, you know, would I think we

1841
03:13:35,080 --> 03:13:39,080
Speaker 14: would be more informed. So whoever controls the language controls

1842
03:13:39,320 --> 03:13:45,920
Speaker 14: who gets heard, you know, hiring schools, you know, within schools.

1843
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Speaker 8: The media.

1844
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Speaker 14: What people are really rewarding is proximity to white linguistic nose.

1845
03:13:51,640 --> 03:13:56,000
Speaker 14: It's however close you can get to the white linguistic nord,

1846
03:13:56,440 --> 03:13:58,760
Speaker 14: the better if you're supposed to be, not how close

1847
03:13:58,879 --> 03:14:03,000
Speaker 14: you get to the King English, not that the white

1848
03:14:03,120 --> 03:14:07,680
Speaker 14: linguistic knows. So this filters out black voices, even when

1849
03:14:07,720 --> 03:14:11,359
Speaker 14: the ideas that the black person is saying are stout.

1850
03:14:12,040 --> 03:14:14,560
Speaker 14: If the person is saying something, and then we have

1851
03:14:14,640 --> 03:14:17,440
Speaker 14: black people who were trained like some of the people

1852
03:14:17,480 --> 03:14:19,959
Speaker 14: I was in my PhD program with at the University

1853
03:14:19,959 --> 03:14:23,720
Speaker 14: of Maryland. When they hear a black person start to

1854
03:14:23,840 --> 03:14:28,480
Speaker 14: speak and it has ebonics within it, the black vernacular

1855
03:14:29,000 --> 03:14:33,600
Speaker 14: and tongues within it, you automatically stopolistic. You think the

1856
03:14:33,680 --> 03:14:35,800
Speaker 14: person doesn't know what they're talking about, because it's the

1857
03:14:35,920 --> 03:14:40,560
Speaker 14: way they say things. This is your own ignorance. So

1858
03:14:40,800 --> 03:14:45,360
Speaker 14: it's what I might call linguistic discrimination, and it's a

1859
03:14:45,959 --> 03:14:49,440
Speaker 14: it's a it's sort of a way of excluding people.

1860
03:14:50,320 --> 03:14:54,480
Speaker 14: So I think we have to stop thinking of ebonics

1861
03:14:54,520 --> 03:14:57,600
Speaker 14: as being assimilation and think of it it was sort

1862
03:14:57,640 --> 03:15:01,320
Speaker 14: of bilingualism, because more so us have to be able

1863
03:15:01,720 --> 03:15:05,080
Speaker 14: to speak the way that black people speak. How do

1864
03:15:05,160 --> 03:15:06,600
Speaker 14: you want whatever you want to call it, whether there

1865
03:15:06,600 --> 03:15:08,600
Speaker 14: are many black people speak that you need bonyx or whatever.

1866
03:15:09,520 --> 03:15:13,000
Speaker 14: And we have to be able to speak the way

1867
03:15:13,040 --> 03:15:15,920
Speaker 14: that white people speak when we go for a job interview,

1868
03:15:16,000 --> 03:15:19,000
Speaker 14: for example. You just have to stop calling it standard

1869
03:15:19,080 --> 03:15:21,880
Speaker 14: English or the King's English, and if they're call it

1870
03:15:22,120 --> 03:15:25,800
Speaker 14: white vernacular. The way that white people say things, the

1871
03:15:25,920 --> 03:15:29,600
Speaker 14: way that they've organized their thinking and the patterns of

1872
03:15:30,280 --> 03:15:35,080
Speaker 14: the way they rationalize things, is just something that that

1873
03:15:35,440 --> 03:15:38,080
Speaker 14: is the way they do things. So teaching student of

1874
03:15:38,120 --> 03:15:41,320
Speaker 14: English without honoring your biotics as pedagogical negligence is what

1875
03:15:41,400 --> 03:15:42,119
Speaker 14: I would say.

1876
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Speaker 8: Got you twenty six away from the top of let's

1877
03:15:45,800 --> 03:15:49,440
Speaker 8: talk about cultural war focus on black youth. What made

1878
03:15:49,480 --> 03:15:50,760
Speaker 8: you do with this documentary?

1879
03:15:53,520 --> 03:15:56,800
Speaker 14: That documentary really came as a as a result of

1880
03:15:58,080 --> 03:16:01,880
Speaker 14: working as a K through twelve school teacher, working as

1881
03:16:01,920 --> 03:16:06,800
Speaker 14: a college professor, working as a person doing a lot

1882
03:16:06,840 --> 03:16:12,600
Speaker 14: of professional development for teachers, doing consulting, traveling around the

1883
03:16:12,640 --> 03:16:15,840
Speaker 14: world and looking at things that I was seeing, and

1884
03:16:16,000 --> 03:16:25,720
Speaker 14: then seeing how black youths are targeted for every in

1885
03:16:25,800 --> 03:16:31,280
Speaker 14: almost every way. And one of the things that kind

1886
03:16:31,280 --> 03:16:33,880
Speaker 14: of really, you know, the spark of inspiration for me

1887
03:16:35,240 --> 03:16:41,119
Speaker 14: was seeing how that I don't think that the black

1888
03:16:41,200 --> 03:16:48,640
Speaker 14: community is as servant and about protecting black youth as

1889
03:16:48,680 --> 03:16:54,400
Speaker 14: we should be, was we have we have some very

1890
03:16:54,760 --> 03:17:00,879
Speaker 14: strong concerns coming from the white community about making sure

1891
03:17:00,920 --> 03:17:04,560
Speaker 14: they're white children are always going to be ahead of

1892
03:17:04,640 --> 03:17:09,440
Speaker 14: black children. It's a very strong sense of that.

1893
03:17:10,120 --> 03:17:10,240
Speaker 2: Now.

1894
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Speaker 14: Doctor Rosinal always just talk about the concerns that white

1895
03:17:14,680 --> 03:17:19,640
Speaker 14: people have about genetic aniledge, and that the reason for

1896
03:17:19,760 --> 03:17:22,960
Speaker 14: the system of white supremacy is genetic annihilation. And so

1897
03:17:23,959 --> 03:17:28,840
Speaker 14: you see white supremacy in these nine areas of people activity. Well,

1898
03:17:31,160 --> 03:17:33,680
Speaker 14: if you pay attention within schools as to what is

1899
03:17:33,760 --> 03:17:38,160
Speaker 14: happening there, the same thing that's happening you have white

1900
03:17:38,240 --> 03:17:45,280
Speaker 14: people concerned about the possibility that black children actually had

1901
03:17:45,440 --> 03:17:51,000
Speaker 14: the creative and intellectual ability to be at the top

1902
03:17:51,360 --> 03:17:57,920
Speaker 14: of all things in education. That was proven in Hotel

1903
03:17:58,480 --> 03:18:01,520
Speaker 14: Academy and Santa Tono, Texas at one time when it

1904
03:18:01,640 --> 03:18:06,320
Speaker 14: used to exist, and also at at a Chick elementary

1905
03:18:06,320 --> 03:18:11,879
Speaker 14: school in Kansas City, Missouri, and the performance of black

1906
03:18:12,000 --> 03:18:16,800
Speaker 14: children were then AFL consentered schools in Chicago at one

1907
03:18:16,920 --> 03:18:20,320
Speaker 14: time it's called Betty Shavals. Now I think we used

1908
03:18:20,320 --> 03:18:23,680
Speaker 14: to care the name of the books called Betty Shavons

1909
03:18:23,720 --> 03:18:26,360
Speaker 14: or there's two institutions there with forst in my mind.

1910
03:18:27,040 --> 03:18:30,800
Speaker 14: And then also Unlock this client school in Chicago, a

1911
03:18:30,959 --> 03:18:35,680
Speaker 14: freedom home where you're able to see black children performing

1912
03:18:35,840 --> 03:18:38,800
Speaker 14: extraordinary well and in the case of a couple of

1913
03:18:38,840 --> 03:18:43,960
Speaker 14: those institutions, black children outperforming everybody in the state on

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03:18:44,200 --> 03:18:50,200
Speaker 14: standard general centric standardized tests as well. So I think

1915
03:18:50,360 --> 03:18:54,680
Speaker 14: that what is what we really have happening in education?

1916
03:18:55,879 --> 03:18:57,840
Speaker 14: And some of those places I just named are in

1917
03:18:57,959 --> 03:19:00,160
Speaker 14: the film that I created, but what we have I'm

1918
03:19:00,160 --> 03:19:05,320
Speaker 14: a happening in education is largely groups of white people.

1919
03:19:06,560 --> 03:19:10,080
Speaker 14: In many ways, white women on the forefront of authors.

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03:19:11,760 --> 03:19:13,360
Speaker 8: Hold I thought right there is we need too many

1921
03:19:13,400 --> 03:19:15,080
Speaker 8: streat from the top. There we'll take our last break.

1922
03:19:15,160 --> 03:19:17,840
Speaker 8: I want to hear more about cultural war, focus on

1923
03:19:17,959 --> 03:19:19,640
Speaker 8: black youth, how you put it together some of the

1924
03:19:19,680 --> 03:19:21,680
Speaker 8: people are in it as well, and how we can

1925
03:19:21,840 --> 03:19:25,160
Speaker 8: review it, especially something that we can watch over the holidays. Family,

1926
03:19:25,160 --> 03:19:27,119
Speaker 8: you two can get in on this discussion that doctor

1927
03:19:27,160 --> 03:19:30,920
Speaker 8: Kemmick Shockley's an educator pan Afghanist educator. Reach out to us.

1928
03:19:30,920 --> 03:19:33,120
Speaker 8: A telephone number is simple, it's eight hundred four or

1929
03:19:33,160 --> 03:19:36,320
Speaker 8: five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your

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Speaker 8: phone calls.

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Speaker 1: Next fourteen fifty wol Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

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Speaker 8: And if you're traveling, please do so carefully, but take

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Speaker 8: us along with you. Get a copy of a download

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Speaker 8: the app from the app store from any of our stations,

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Speaker 8: and take us with you because coming up later this week,

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Speaker 8: you're gonna hear from clinical psychologist doctor Jerrold E. Fox.

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Speaker 8: Many of you know him from his best selling work

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Speaker 8: book Addicted to White the Oppressed in lead with the Oppressor,

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Speaker 8: a Sham based alliance. Also Quanser creator, doctor Milana Kringle

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Speaker 8: will be hits and the President General the Universal African

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Speaker 8: People's Organization, Zaki Brew and you would also join. But

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Speaker 8: tomorrow morning at six, doctor Heru here, doctor Hue is

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Speaker 8: wonders with the cancer Reversal Project and he's got some

1944
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Speaker 8: of the folks that he's help. If you know someone

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Speaker 8: who stars that issue, please make sure you listen tomorrow

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Speaker 8: morning at six right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB.

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Speaker 8: Also on the DMV the Washington DC metro Ere fourteen

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Speaker 8: fifteen w L not to shock the I wanted you

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Speaker 8: finish your thoughts and tell us about this cultural war

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Speaker 8: focus on black youth. How we can see this.

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Speaker 10: Yes.

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Speaker 14: Indeed, so what I was saying is that I was

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Speaker 14: kind of talking about the reasons that I created with Bill,

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Speaker 14: and I was just wrapping up the sentence of saying

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Speaker 14: that one of the reasons is that I was saying

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Speaker 14: the games that are being played and how we're kind

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Speaker 14: of being played in education.

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Speaker 7: This boring.

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Speaker 14: It starts off by really introducing some of the problems

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Speaker 14: that that folks are having uh in education with black

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Speaker 14: children I having. I have some folks in the film

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Speaker 14: like Corbor hierographical getting who is in the first episode

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Speaker 14: talking about UH would needs us to be able to

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Speaker 14: think outside the box in order to sell some of

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Speaker 14: these problems. I also show some of the things that

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Speaker 14: are actually happening to black people of the schools from

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Speaker 14: the bodings for this happening to our young people in schools.

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Speaker 14: In the second episode, I talked to teachers themselves and

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Speaker 14: I give them a test to really kind of see

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Speaker 14: where they're at in their nowedge of Black history. Most

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Speaker 14: of the teachers failed their tests, and I kind of

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Speaker 14: talked to them about why we also have had to

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Speaker 14: be broader. In that episode, who uh works as as

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Speaker 14: sort of like working with his grandkids. In the episode

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Speaker 14: reading to a couple of folks who acclaimed his grandkids,

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Speaker 14: I should say, and we learn about African history to

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Speaker 14: me uh about a daughter reading and talking.

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Speaker 15: To his grandkids.

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Speaker 14: And in the episode in the third episode, we have

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Speaker 14: a group of experts in education helping the MODI Linda Tilman,

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Speaker 14: who have I'm trying to think there's so many folks

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Speaker 14: in there that are no GLORYA Latsi Billings who many

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Speaker 14: people in education over shares. These experts appear. We also

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Speaker 14: talk to kids. We have some black children and brothers

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Speaker 14: in the film who are talking about their experience. We

1986
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Speaker 14: are families, so we actually sit down with some family

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Speaker 14: in the fourth episode and ask them what is their

1988
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Speaker 14: experience with schooling and what have voked for them. Then

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Speaker 14: we have some schools that have had success in the

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Speaker 14: film as well.

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Speaker 15: So we have.

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Speaker 14: Folks from Atlanta talking about schools in Atlanta that ever worked.

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Speaker 14: There are folks from Washington.

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Speaker 15: D C.

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Speaker 14: School mediates from these places. Hockey Mount of Beauty is

1996
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Speaker 14: in the film. His wife, Soficia a mount of Beauty

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Speaker 14: also appeared appear in the film. We have so many

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Speaker 14: folks while we knew Deluji is in the film talking

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Speaker 14: about his school.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of that.

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Speaker 8: I mean, let me ask you, help you and ask you.

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Speaker 8: This is doctor Juwanza conjufer In there.

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Speaker 14: Is in the film.

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Speaker 12: Yes he is.

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Speaker 14: He is one of his last appearances. We went to

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Speaker 14: Phoenix to record him and he gave us some brilliance.

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Speaker 14: I guess got some clothing brillidens from doctor Jonsaquin du

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Speaker 14: He's in the film twice. Actually have so much to say,

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Speaker 14: so we're gonna talk about solutions, and so the film

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Speaker 14: has a heavy influence, a hevy discussion on what we

2011
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Speaker 14: can do to start all these problems. And you can

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Speaker 14: watch the film on turb Television two b T for free.

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Speaker 14: You can also watch it on Amazon Prime. Is also

2014
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Speaker 14: on Applitude Plus, and it's the African Diaspora Network, which

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Speaker 14: is in in Africa. There's something in the US called

2016
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Speaker 14: that too, but there's it said, this is in Africa.

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Speaker 14: So there's several places. Actually those are the big places,

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Speaker 14: the biggest places where you can watch it. And I

2019
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Speaker 14: think we'll come away with a lot of information and

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Speaker 14: knowledge about the problem and the solutions related to black education.

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Speaker 8: Right, oh, let me ask this thirteen away from the topic,

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Speaker 8: doctor shot, this is the problems on the continent, education

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Speaker 8: problems on the constant, same as here.

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Speaker 14: From what I am seeing in the continent, which is

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Speaker 14: somewhat limited, I would say that, yeah, there's there so

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Speaker 14: in some way if some of them are worse in

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Speaker 14: instance that on the continent, this we don't have as

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Speaker 14: much of a movement to get away from from rhogsa's limits.

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Speaker 14: But I hadn't get away from eurocentric anti black education.

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Speaker 14: In fact, some people are thinking that a feeling like

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Speaker 14: the word education actually means being informed by the sort

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Speaker 14: of colonizing mentality or worshiping things that white people have

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Speaker 14: put out there for us to think of as being

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Speaker 14: true knowledge. I saw that I didn't see a lot

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Speaker 14: of anything else when I went to see schools in

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Speaker 14: Nigeria and God. But I'm hoping that some of that

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Speaker 14: is changing and trying to be a part of some

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Speaker 14: of that change. But so, yeah, I think that the

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Speaker 14: continent is probably where black people are, not the world.

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Speaker 14: But I would say, yeah, the kindent of Africa is

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Speaker 14: definitely struggling with sort of a colonial education.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, because you know, on the surface, you would think

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Speaker 8: that they would have it a lot easier because they

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Speaker 8: control the education here. We know who controls the education

2045
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Speaker 8: and are thinking controls everything, which is a player, but

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Speaker 8: they control everything a top to bottom. You think it

2047
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Speaker 8: would be easier. Are they still fighting with their colonial

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Speaker 8: masters though it was as far as education is concerned.

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Speaker 14: Or definitely. I mean, I think there's all kinds of

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Speaker 14: designs everywhere that I have ever been on the continent,

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Speaker 14: which I've been there probably fifteen times. I would say

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Speaker 14: in every aspect of life. I as a person who's

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Speaker 14: a part of the conscious community of the United States.

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Speaker 14: When I go to Africa, the saying that I'm worried

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Speaker 14: about there were a lot of things. When I go there,

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Speaker 14: I don't worry. I try to get so on my

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Speaker 14: mind back, but when what I worry about is the

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Speaker 14: vestages of colonialism. And I think I might have mentioned

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Speaker 14: on here once that I spoke to a group of

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Speaker 14: people in their twenties. There were four males Africans who

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Speaker 14: were in their twenties, and I was I wanted to

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Speaker 14: just see how they respond to the idea of intelligence

2063
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Speaker 14: and asking them, are you intelligent? They quickly said that

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Speaker 14: they were not, and they said that white people were intelligent,

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Speaker 14: and I was curious. You know why they thought that.

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Speaker 14: They said, they come here and they create job starts

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Speaker 14: and do a number of things that they are impressed

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Speaker 14: with and that they liked. So, you know, from that

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Speaker 14: to seeing pictures of the images of Jesus where when

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Speaker 14: I get in a taxicab and all the limits Jesus

2071
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Speaker 14: that I see in the cab and along the way

2072
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Speaker 14: of the white one that many years ago, these sort

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Speaker 14: of talked about, let's not have it. So you don't

2074
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Speaker 14: see that as much here, but you see it a

2075
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Speaker 14: lot there.

2076
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Speaker 10: Too.

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Speaker 14: You know people, you know you don't you see people

2078
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Speaker 14: dressed in ways that I think are coming from European

2079
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Speaker 14: styles and fashions. So yeah, there's a lot of it

2080
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Speaker 14: that goes on. They're alone other things that are happening

2081
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Speaker 14: in terms of people's personal decisions for the relationships that

2082
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Speaker 14: they want to begin, and there's reasons for that. But

2083
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Speaker 14: I think that, yeah, colonialism and white supremacy are definitely

2084
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Speaker 14: a big issue with the kind of means that I

2085
03:29:51,200 --> 03:29:54,720
Speaker 14: used to think about things. I see it quite a

2086
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Speaker 14: bit on the African continent, what I got to and outside.

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Speaker 8: Of schools, Yeah, rying away from the top of the

2088
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Speaker 8: out and some Africans when they come here teach us

2089
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Speaker 8: to treat us with indifference. Is that a learned behavior?

2090
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Speaker 8: Is that what they see on television is that what

2091
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Speaker 8: somebody tells them about us, and we're wanting you know, oh,

2092
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Speaker 8: they think they're better than us, but somehow they have

2093
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Speaker 8: to come up with these conclusions with their reaction to us.

2094
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Speaker 8: How do you see that?

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Speaker 14: Well, you know, I've seen that for sure. I think

2096
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Speaker 14: it's got to be something that is happening with people

2097
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Speaker 14: indigal because if you really take a look at what

2098
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Speaker 14: is happening, at what Black Americans are doing, it wouldn't

2099
03:30:45,240 --> 03:30:49,000
Speaker 14: it wouldn't make sense to then say, well, I'm better

2100
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Speaker 14: than you guys, because I mean, it just doesn't make

2101
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Speaker 14: any sense because you see, Black Americans have done from

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Speaker 14: many things in accomplience so much if you would have

2103
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Speaker 14: to just have to ignore that and then go into

2104
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Speaker 14: your own sense of feeling like you about leading the standards, well,

2105
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Speaker 14: whatever the language there is that would make you then

2106
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Speaker 14: say I think I'm better than you because you actually

2107
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Speaker 14: feel the opposite. But that's what you say.

2108
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Speaker 8: Uh.

2109
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Speaker 14: The other thing is that I remember having a conversation

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Speaker 14: again a Nigerian person who was waiting in the United

2111
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Speaker 14: States when I one day answered in Houston, and he

2112
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Speaker 14: was talking about the reason why some Nigerians feel that way,

2113
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Speaker 14: And I said, can you imagine if I doctor kim

2114
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Speaker 14: shock and went to Nigeria and then started comparing myself

2115
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Speaker 14: to the average Nigeria I thought, and I said, well, hey,

2116
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Speaker 14: do you guys have doctors? Look at me, I have

2117
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Speaker 14: a doctorate. Then he is, and then I started bogging

2118
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Speaker 14: about things about myself over and above the average Nigerian.

2119
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Speaker 14: I said, in many ways, that's the silliments that you

2120
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Speaker 14: think that that you know, people are things saying you've

2121
03:32:07,720 --> 03:32:11,879
Speaker 14: come here with lots of privileges that really have come

2122
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Speaker 14: from discovery of Black Americans, and now you want to

2123
03:32:15,200 --> 03:32:18,080
Speaker 14: compare yourself to the average Black American as opposed to

2124
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Speaker 14: comparing yourself to Black Americans. That might be as a

2125
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Speaker 14: complicate you want. That's that way that is Luckily it's

2126
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Speaker 14: not everybody, but it is another thing that I think

2127
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Speaker 14: Black Americans are starting to notice it.

2128
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Speaker 8: Yeah, And and the sad part about it, they have

2129
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Speaker 8: an if they come here and they have an interaction

2130
03:32:38,840 --> 03:32:42,760
Speaker 8: with an African Americans, a negative reaction. You know, they

2131
03:32:43,120 --> 03:32:45,160
Speaker 8: some of them will believe that's all, that's all we do.

2132
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Speaker 8: If they see the ones see on the continent and

2133
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Speaker 8: they hear about that, and they see it on TV,

2134
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Speaker 8: they see it in in these videos, they think we're

2135
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Speaker 8: all like that and vice versa. For us, we have

2136
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Speaker 8: a negative reaction with with with an African continental Africans.

2137
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Speaker 8: He represents the entire African diasporas of some of us,

2138
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Speaker 8: So we can't how do we get away from that

2139
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Speaker 8: kind of thinking got shot. That's what I mean.

2140
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Speaker 14: For sure, we're going to have to realize who the

2141
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Speaker 14: culprit is in all this. And you know, we have

2142
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Speaker 14: to understandation of white supremacy. I mean, we have Talctor

2143
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Speaker 14: Willson to help us with all of this. So what

2144
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Speaker 14: we what we have to understand is that if the

2145
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Speaker 14: FBI has said that there would be the greatest sense

2146
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Speaker 14: threat to national security in the United States would be

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Speaker 14: if Africans and African Americans for ever to come together.

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Speaker 14: So there then is enormous effort to make sure that

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Speaker 14: that never happens. And I'm sure that the FBI is

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Speaker 14: still involved in trying to make sure that doesn't happen,

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Speaker 14: you know. So we want to come to our stints

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Speaker 14: on it. Some of it, some of the things that

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Speaker 14: I've heard are absolutely just insane, and so I think

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Speaker 14: that's how we know they're involved. We have to listen

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Speaker 14: to our elders who have taught us how to think

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Speaker 14: outside of this foolishness and really get ourselves to a

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Speaker 14: better place of understanding that really it's all one group

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Speaker 14: of people. Now people don't want to buy into that

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Speaker 14: right now, and they're upset, and I know that that

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Speaker 14: upsettedness is there, but there's really one group of people

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Speaker 14: with different cultural things that are happening. There's different cultural stuff,

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Speaker 14: but really one group of people. So when we get

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Speaker 14: to that understanding, then I think we'll be able to

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Speaker 14: make some headway. So we can't go to we can't

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Speaker 14: look at one African and say what you're doing is

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Speaker 14: anti Black Americans, So all of you guys are that

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Speaker 14: way and the same is true. We can't look at

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Speaker 14: one Black American and saying, hey, you know this is

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Speaker 14: so what you see now? As uh, people sort of

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Speaker 14: kind of making it creating difference. They'll say, well, if

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Speaker 14: a person commit your crime, no it's not a black person,

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Speaker 14: that is a sledge like we have reasons and they're

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Speaker 14: starting to do that. I will will be interested in

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Speaker 14: seeing what the follow out from that will be. You know,

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Speaker 14: well that how how is that gonna work out? What

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Speaker 14: will happen as a result of some of the differences

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Speaker 14: and delineations that are being made?

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Speaker 8: Yeah? Hold that so right, say we got to cut

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Speaker 8: it right there at dtr Shaka, But thank you for

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Speaker 8: sharing your thoughts with us this morning. How can folks

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Speaker 8: follow you? And again, how can they watch the documentary

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Speaker 8: and Cultural War focus on Black youth.

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Speaker 14: Sure to to get in touch with me or follow

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Speaker 14: I'm a I'm on LinkedIn at doctor d R Kennet

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Speaker 14: k MT Shockley. You can also bemail me at k

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Speaker 14: Shockle not Shockley, K S h O C k l

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Speaker 14: E at yahoo dot com. And we can watch the

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Speaker 14: documentary on TV. It's called Cultural War Focused on Black Youth.

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Speaker 14: You can also watch it on Amazon Prime Video. And

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Speaker 14: I have a number of other documentaries that are on YouTube.

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Speaker 14: For example, one that you could watch what you might enjoy.

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Speaker 14: It's focused on the rooms in Columbia Doctormerica, the world's

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Speaker 14: first one rooms. It's called or Humanity Culture Colluded.

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Speaker 8: And all right, thanks, doctor shock thank you for all

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Speaker 8: the information you shared with us this morning.

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Speaker 14: My pleasure to have a great one.

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Speaker 8: Hi's doctor Kemy Shackley. Family classes dismissed. Stay strong, stay positive,

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Speaker 8: please stay healthy. We'll see tomorrow morning six o'clock right

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