1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: Okay, Casey, let me like throw out a hypothetical for you. 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 2: Oh okay, I like that. 3 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, it's Kennley Casey show. I'm rob 4 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: it's Casey. Imagine you pissed off not only all of 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 1: your friends, but almost every single one of their friends. 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: And then, yeah, not too far into the future, you 7 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 1: really need some stuff. 8 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you do? 9 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 3: Try to make up? I guess, But how you apologize? 10 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 3: I'm really sorry about that. 11 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: Like, if you spent need something, you spent a whole 12 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: year making everybody angry at you, in some cases going 13 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: out of your way to do that, all of its 14 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: self inflicted. By the way, right, nothing goes beyond your control. 15 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: And now you have to come back in front of 16 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: them and tell them about all the stuff you want 17 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: them to do for you. 18 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 3: I made a mistake. I've learned my lesson. I really 19 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 3: want to work together. 20 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. 21 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 1: That is where the governor is tonight at the State 22 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: of the State speech. Yeah, and we'll get into this 23 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: with Jim Merritt coming up in a little bit, because 24 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: obviously he saw thirty of these during his time in 25 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: the Indiana Senate. I don't know what Braun can possibly 26 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: say or do, because when you couple the fact that 27 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: he failed so spectacularly with his signature issue, which was 28 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: property taxes, and not only did he fail, he let 29 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: everybody down by not fighting and following through on the 30 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: promises that he made. So you've already enraged the populace 31 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: and in the process of enraging the populace, because the 32 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: property tax bill is going to do next to nothing 33 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: for homeowners, especially over time as these other tax increases 34 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: get enacted that are in that bill, but then to 35 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: book in the year. He essentially tells the Senate, I'm 36 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: going to primary all of you people if you don't 37 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: do what I want to do on redistricting, which now 38 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: is starting to look more and more on redistricting like 39 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: that was all about not wanting to lose federal funding 40 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: and permitting for the mid state quardal Yeah, for his 41 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: precious little road, that multi billion dollar attempt to connect 42 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: I sixty four to sixty nine, which just conveniently probably 43 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: going to make him a gajillion dollars with his distribution company. 44 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: This guy is hated by everyone and tonight and by 45 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: the way, he has the personality and the charisma of 46 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: a Nat and now he's got to go up in 47 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: front of the whole state tonight and tell us, how 48 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: lie to us about how great everything is, lie to 49 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: us about what a great job he did in your 50 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: one and now he's going to tell these senators, hey, 51 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 1: please help. 52 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 4: Me do some more stuff. 53 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 2: Right. So, last year, you know, he was sworn in 54 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 2: his governor. 55 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 3: I'm January thirteenth, so we're looking at exactly a year. 56 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 3: And when he gave these State of the State speech 57 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 3: last year, he said the state was strong. 58 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 4: And I'm happy to say with all those travels, the 59 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,559 Speaker 4: state of the state. 60 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 2: Is strong because Hoosiers are strong. Okay, So how about now, 61 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 2: how what does he say? He's going to say the 62 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 2: state is strong, because that's what they always say. 63 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: But I mean, when you look at this first year, 64 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: so what is the what are the cornerstones of his 65 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: first year? Well, first of all, he failed on property taxes. 66 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: That bill is going to do nothing to address the 67 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: core issues of why property taxes are out of control, 68 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: which are assessments. You'll get some pitily two or three 69 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: hundred dollars back, which is going to be offset by 70 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: assessments continuing. 71 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 4: To go up. 72 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: A huge portion of school districts across the state of 73 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: Indiana are going to flood the ballot box with referendums, 74 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: which will offset the savings anyway, even if there weren't 75 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: assessments continuing to rise. Then on top of that, by 76 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven, you're going to start seeing these local 77 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: governments do these income tax increases, So that's an f 78 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: Then he passes this utility bill after saying I'm going 79 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: to prevent utility bills from going up, which essentially allows 80 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: these utility companies to play doctor Frankenstein with this unproven 81 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: SMR technology in which they're going to get eighty percent 82 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: of whatever they put into this back, whether it works 83 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: for you or not, and then you're going to pay 84 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: higher bills. So that was awful. He did nothing with 85 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: the IEDC. He did this audit which shows the Indian 86 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: Economic Development Corporation is totally corrupt. It's handing out dollars 87 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: to god knows who in some cases, and the dollars 88 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: you can trace a whole bunch of them are being 89 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: doled out by people to companies that are connected to 90 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: those people. 91 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 4: He's done nothing with that. 92 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: Him firing that board was a joke because the people 93 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: he put in there are still doing much of the 94 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: exact same stuff. He has no answer on these data centers. 95 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: He appears to be all in on those. There's not 96 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: a single solitary set of espoused values, confirmed value that's 97 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: coming out of these other than it's gonna make He's 98 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: gonna make rich people really richer, and it's going to 99 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: cost us more money through enhance utility bills. Oh and 100 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: by the way, they're getting a gajillion dollars from the 101 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: Holy corrupt iedc. 102 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 4: That was Oh and then the kicker to pay the bills. 103 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: Last year, Braun signed off on raising taxes by a 104 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: billion dollars. 105 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: Correct. 106 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: Those were the highlights of year one from the Braun administration. 107 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 3: And you might recall hearing all about redistricting in his 108 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 3: State of This Date address last year. Oh wait, no, no, 109 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 3: you didn't hear anything about that, but they sure did 110 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 3: spend a lot of time on it. 111 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: So that was year one for Mike Braun. There's nothing 112 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: that has been put forward in year two that you 113 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: would say this is going to make things on those issues, 114 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: that's going to make things better. There's there's absolutely nothing. 115 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: He's not even trying at this point and I think 116 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: one of the big I guess problems Braun has. And 117 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: I remember the last meeting I had with Braun as 118 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: I walked out of that room after begging him not 119 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: to sign that property tax bill, and everything I told 120 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 1: him was going to happen has happened since he did 121 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: it is I thought to myself, Thank goodness, I don't 122 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: have to be around this guy anymore, because he is 123 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: so weird, and he is so awkward, and he's so 124 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 1: just uncharismatic. It is like if you got in a 125 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: conversation with Glue, that would be more entertaining than trying 126 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: to carry on a conversation with Braun. And so the 127 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: problem is, unlike a Mitch Daniels, who in the face 128 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: of crisis, you could send him out there and he's 129 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: gonna you know, he's going to deliver, right, He's going 130 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: to connect, he's going to resonate with people and with lawmakers, 131 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: Braun doesn't have that. Nobody likes him, everybody's pissed off 132 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: at him, and he doesn't have the skills set to 133 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: change people's minds just by your cult of personality or 134 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: will or force. 135 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 3: So he has to go through the three step process 136 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 3: is that what you're saying. Acknowledge the mistake, apologize and 137 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 3: change behavior. 138 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: Oh and by the way, for all these people, right, 139 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: because what do I say? When the property text bill 140 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: went down? I said, are these people? I said, I'm done, 141 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: y'all can handle it going far? And all this we 142 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: got this? How's it going right? 143 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: There's an ace up the sleeve? Right? 144 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 4: Yeah? 145 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 2: I said we were told. 146 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: I said, y'all are gonna have somebody else to bitch 147 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: at this year because all I got for trying to help, 148 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: all I got forgetting further than anybody had gotten in 149 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: twenty years on property taxes was grief from people. 150 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 4: So I said, I'm done. And all these. 151 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: Conservativeile Oh, we're meeting with him. He's telling us that 152 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: there's more to come. It's year two. We're coming back 153 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: for more ace up the sleeve. Sure, how's that going right? 154 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 2: Where's that bill? 155 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: I want all those people to get bitched at this 156 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: year because they said they had it and it was fine. 157 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 4: So for once, people can't blame me. 158 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I tried, I'm sorry, I tried to help. 159 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: I should have never done it, and now it's somebody 160 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: else's problem. 161 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 2: Well, for all of these people that he's saying he's 162 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: gonna primary. 163 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 3: Do you think they're scared? Are they nervous? I mean 164 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 3: he couldn't even get his own priority done. 165 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 4: No, they don't know. 166 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: It's a it's e's of It's a feckless empty threat 167 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: from him. There is zero chance that the overwhelming majority 168 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: of those senators that are up this year are not 169 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: going to get re elected. Bron has no juice. They 170 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: have horrible candidate recruitment. They can send Scott Presler, Pessler, Presler, Pessner. 171 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 4: Whatever his name is out here. 172 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: It ain't going to make one damn bit of difference 173 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: because this I mean, first of all, at the redistricting, 174 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: these guys were doing what their constituents wanted. 175 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 4: It's why they voted it down. 176 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: But second of all, you have to you would have 177 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: to mobilize across the state and the things that these 178 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: people are running on which they think redistricting is this 179 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: magic bullet. 180 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 4: It is not. 181 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: If you're willing to talk about property taxes, if you're 182 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: willing to talk about utility bills, if you're willing to 183 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: talk about the IEDC, that might get some people's attention, 184 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: but simply thinking because you didn't do what Trump wanted 185 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: when the majority of people didn't want them to do 186 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: what Trump wanted. That's not going to solve anything. 187 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 2: Did you see that. 188 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 3: He did put out a tweet yesterday he said data 189 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 3: centers are important for bringing high paying jobs to Indiana, 190 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 3: but they can't be allowed to pass the financial burden 191 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 3: of their electricity costs onto hoosiers. And he's piggybacking off 192 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 3: of something Donald Trump had said. 193 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: But the problem is your IEDC, sir, of which you 194 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: are the head, as the governor of Indiana, continues to 195 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: and the first action of your new IEDC board was 196 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: to throw huge financial incentives at these companies coming to Indiana. 197 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: Look if these data centers were to come to these 198 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: communities and say we are we need the resources. The 199 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: data centers need us more than we need them. That's 200 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: the reality of this. The data centers need Indiana more 201 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: than Indiana needs the data centers. And if they were 202 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: to come here and say we're building a billion dollar 203 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: building and from day one we're hang our full three 204 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: percent freight and we are not asking for any giveaway 205 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: incentives from the IDEC, that's a different conversation. 206 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 4: Then I think people get. 207 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: More open to the idea of do I have to 208 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: pay more and utility bills? But we're all doing this right, 209 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: Like all of these things are easier to stomach, to 210 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 1: understand have a conversation about. But you're giving away the 211 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: farm to these people who would probably come here regardless 212 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: because they need us in the natural resources that we have. 213 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 3: So tonight, when he's giving that speech, who will he 214 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 3: be talking to? Will he be talking directly to Hoosiers 215 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 3: or will he be talking to the legislators. 216 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: Well, he's going to probably just be talking to his 217 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: wife and his rich connected donor friends, because that's the 218 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: only person that's going to be listening to this, right. 219 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: But if you would like to hear braun Lae out 220 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: of his ass for thirty minutes, we will be airing 221 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: the speech tonight at seven thirty. 222 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 2: On w IC. 223 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 3: It is the Kendelly Casey Show on ninety three WIBC. 224 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 4: Hey, great news for you, Casey. 225 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: What's that? 226 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 4: Oh my goodness? This is going to change your life forever? 227 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 4: Is it? 228 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,119 Speaker 1: Your government is llowing forward with very important legislation. 229 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 2: Oh tell me more, say words? 230 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 4: What do we have? 231 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 1: I get that? As we laid out in the last segment. 232 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: There's all these things that are crushing your ability to 233 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: live in affordable life, the property taxes, the utility bills. 234 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: I mean, we got the massive corruption with the IEDC. 235 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: You got the Medicaid that got hundreds of millions of 236 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: dollars in waste, fraud and abuse. I mean, all of 237 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: those things that are out there, and they'll get to 238 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: those eventually, sure, but right now we have very very 239 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: very important stuff that we are trudging forward with, and 240 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: that is making the tender loin the state sandwich. 241 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. So the Indiennas senators. 242 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 3: They voted to move that bill forward, and it would 243 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 3: make the breaded. 244 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 2: Poor tenderloin the official state sandwich. Guess what. 245 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 3: It passed thirty seven to eleven. And I'm so curious, 246 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 3: who are the ones who voted no? 247 00:11:58,679 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 4: Oh? 248 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 2: You know, you know who said no thanks. You've got 249 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 2: Michler and Glick. 250 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:08,719 Speaker 3: And Garton and Freeman and Crider and Becker at some 251 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 3: people they don't like this. 252 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: Idea, Well, it's joke. And these people are jokes. Are 253 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: state government, these local governments, these people are jokes. All 254 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: of these super pressing issues in front of them, and 255 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: they're focused on a damn sandwich. 256 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, so that bill was first written and introduced by 257 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 3: Senator Andy Zay of Huntington. 258 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 2: Of course he's not there anymore. 259 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:32,959 Speaker 4: That's right. 260 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: He got a sweetheart job at the IDC running the IEDC. 261 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 3: He was like, let's pay attention to the pork tenderloin sandwich. 262 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 2: Nah, I'm out of here. 263 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: See, who have to go find the message? Remember that 264 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: one senator or that one house member a couple of 265 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: years ago sent me that very mean message or very 266 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: early in the morning doing who knows what, because he 267 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: was very upset that we were talking about this sand 268 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: this How long they've been on the sandwich? 269 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 3: Right? 270 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: And remember that I think you were here when that happened, 271 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: that at one point thirty in the morning some house 272 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: wrap and maybe I'll pull that up later on in 273 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: the program and do the dramatic reading of that, because 274 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: I have some speculations on what that person was doing, 275 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: because I don't think I've ever met this person before 276 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: in my entire life. Thank you for listening. But these 277 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: people are clowns. Yeah, they're universally clowns. That this is 278 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 1: what they waste their time on. 279 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 3: Is it really that important? And what about the beef farmers. 280 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 3: They're losing out right. And many people are arguing that 281 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 3: the Italian beef sandwich is very popular in northern Indiana. 282 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: And again, keep in mind, the guy who sponsored the 283 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: bill isn't there anymore because of all the people in 284 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: our state, seven million people, Mike Brown thought some super 285 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: connected senator who has been partly in charge while all 286 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: these things have been going wrong in our state, he 287 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: thought he was the best guy to oversee utilities in 288 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: the state of Indiana. So he's not even there anymore. 289 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 3: Wouldn't it be something if tonight for the state of 290 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 3: the state of dress Braun opens up by holding up 291 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 3: a big pork tenderloin sandwich, taking a bite out of 292 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 3: insaand well, we got something important done. 293 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: And this is why they do this to try to 294 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: distract people, because it does get media attention and it 295 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: does get people that cover it. And what they want 296 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: to do is they want to distract you from the 297 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: complete inaction, the complete bastardization of public policy that these 298 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: people pull on a regular consistent basis. And they invent 299 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: things to do because they won't solve the real problems, 300 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: because they're not willing to take on the special interest 301 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: groups that dominate whatever. That particular discussion is, all right, 302 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: real quick. We had an update on this. Remember yesterday 303 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: we talked about we started the show with it yesterday. 304 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: In fact, Timothy Boosefield actor you Don't Feel to Dreams 305 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: thirty something West Wing. 306 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 2: Yep, Revenge of the Nerds. 307 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's been in all sorts of stuff. 308 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was missing and and it has a warrant 309 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: for his arrest relate to inappropriate contact with young children 310 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: on the set of a television show that he was. 311 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 4: A part of a couple of years ago. 312 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 2: He turned himself in and now he's been found. 313 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 4: He's missing for like three days. 314 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: The marshals were supposedly involved, and now he has turned 315 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: himself in, and here is Timothy Boozefield talking about why 316 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: he was missing. 317 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 5: Hi, everybody, it's tim I'm sure most of you know 318 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 5: that are watching this that I was ordered to come 319 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 5: to Albuquerque. I'm here now. I got the call Friday night. 320 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 5: I had to get a lawyer. Saturday, I got in 321 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 5: a car. I drove two thousand miles to Albuquerque. I'm 322 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 5: going to confront these lies. They're horrible. They're all lies. 323 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 5: And I did not do anything to those little boys, 324 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 5: and I'm I'm going to fight it. I'm going to 325 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 5: fight it with a great team, and I'm gonna be exonerated. 326 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 5: I know I am, because this is all so wrong 327 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 5: and all lies. So hang in there. Hopefully I'm out 328 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 5: real soon and back to work. And I love everybody 329 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 5: for supporting me. Thank you. 330 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: Okay, So I have a couple questions about this one. Sure, 331 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: Initially this thing was given to police and they didn't 332 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: do anything with it, and they basically dismissed the claim. 333 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: And then something came back to them where they said, okay, 334 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: now we have enough for the to get a warrant 335 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: for this guy. I want to know what that is, 336 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: because what new evidence service, because this was stuff from 337 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: allegations from years ago. 338 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 3: Well, there was a lawyer that Warner Brothers had hired 339 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 3: to do an independent investigation, and she did and she 340 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 3: said she could find no proof that he acted inappropriately. 341 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 4: Okay. 342 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: The second part of this is it is not uncommon 343 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: for somebody, especially they live in another state or whatever, 344 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: and look the guys, I'm sure very wealthy. He has 345 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: access to attorneys whatever to be able to arrange a 346 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: time to turn yourself in and maybe the guys like me, 347 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: maybe as a fear of flying. You know that that's 348 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: not uncommon. Say, hey, I'm gonna have to drive there. 349 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: I anticipate being there on such and such a day. 350 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: I will gladly turn myself in. I'll see you then. 351 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: But they said he was missing, like they couldn't find him. 352 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: They had the marshals involved. 353 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 2: They had the US Marshals for him. 354 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 1: So I need somebody to square that with me too, 355 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 1: Like if you are didn't know where he was, well, 356 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: if you're planning on turning yourself in, wouldn't you They said, Okay, 357 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 1: mister Boocefield is arranged to turn himself in such and 358 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: such a time, blah blah blah blah blah whatever. But 359 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: that doesn't appear to have happened, you'r or that didn't 360 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: get relayed to the point where the marshals were supposedly 361 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: involved in this. So I have so many questions about this, 362 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: and I don't know what to believe right now. 363 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 3: So his attorney, his civil attorney, says that these accusations 364 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 3: are stemming from revenge. 365 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: Well, that these kids supposedly got dismissed from the program, 366 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: and that's what they're saying these allegations basically, they're trying 367 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,719 Speaker 1: to insinuate the mother is you know, fueling this right, 368 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: which it very well could be, And we have no 369 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: idea what the evidence is. We you know, these things 370 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: happen all the time see Duke Lacrosse right where the 371 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: allegations are totally just made up. So everybody has to 372 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: keep an open mind on this. But it's like on 373 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 1: both sides of the aisle, I have questions like, hey, one, 374 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: it's kind of weird that you just disappeared and they 375 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: claim they didn't know where you were. 376 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 4: Right, that's weird. 377 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: But also the police looked at this initially and said, 378 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: orby go home? What has changed since that initial investigation? 379 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 2: If your name is breaking in the news like that, 380 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 2: well it. 381 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 3: It's like you know, right, you would be like you've 382 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 3: got a phone on you come on. 383 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. 384 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: So there's so many things that have to get cleared 385 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: up here, all right, Jim Mart'll be with us coming 386 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: up next, we're going to talk about stay of the 387 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: state is is tonight, what if anything can Brawn do 388 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: to try to get the public back in his good graces? 389 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 2: He joins us. Next on ninety three WIBC. 390 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: Please, So the state of the state is tonight. Does 391 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: it make any difference? Let's find out ninety three WIBC 392 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: it's Kettle and Casey show look who it is. Our 393 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: old pal thirty years in the Indiana said at the 394 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: great Jim Merritt, Hello Robert, all right, so the state 395 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,199 Speaker 1: of the state is tonight. Bron's gonna get up and 396 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: give a big speech. I maintain I think these guys, 397 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: these guys being the General Assembly, loathe him so much. 398 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 1: I think the public loathes him so much. I mean politically, 399 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: I think he's a dead man walking. 400 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 6: Let's say you it's gonna be a really interesting evening 401 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 6: tonight because he has an opportunity to reset the table. 402 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 6: Twenty twenty five was a difficult year with a with 403 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 6: a you know, a kind of a not a bad budget, 404 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 6: but you know, from April I talked about the legislature 405 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 6: and the governor should have been patient and left that 406 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 6: budget in April with that bad economic forecast, had some nimbleness, 407 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 6: had some patience and leave it and then come back 408 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 6: in mid June, almost July when the next budget, this 409 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 6: budget would would start and. 410 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 4: By then that the tariffs, the. 411 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 6: Stock market taxes and everything from the federal government that 412 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 6: we're casting a shadow over everything would have played out 413 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 6: and we wouldn't have such a draconian budget here. And 414 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 6: so tonight it's his opportunity to reset the table. In 415 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 6: his mind, set the table for twenty twenty six what 416 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 6: he needs happen. And you know, as we know, short sessions, 417 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,439 Speaker 6: you know there's really nothing gets done. 418 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 1: But you hit the down the head, Jim, it's short session. 419 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: There's no major thing that's going to happen. There's no 420 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: money really per se to be now, there's always money 421 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: to be spent, right, but not in the sense of 422 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: it's not a budget year. What can he do that? 423 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 4: People go, we're all good that first year, it's all fine. 424 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 6: I think that's why we're all waiting. I think we're 425 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 6: all waiting to see what he says because it's so difficult. 426 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 6: And governors when when in their first budget session, and 427 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 6: it was twenty twenty five for Governor Braun, it makes 428 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 6: a real big difference if you come away from your 429 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 6: first budget session with the table set for your four 430 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 6: year term. Because without a budget, without budget, you know, 431 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 6: something new to talk about, it's so difficult to work 432 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 6: from behind, and that's what he's doing. 433 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 1: Jim Merit, our guests talk about the state of the state, 434 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: which is tonight. Were you ever swayed by a state 435 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: of the state you were in another thirty years somebody gave 436 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: some rousing speech and you said, well, I'm dang I 437 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: was wrong the whole time. 438 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 4: No, you know. 439 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 6: Probably a wow factor was when Evan By came in 440 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 6: and wanted to put a hospital tax back in the nineties. 441 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 6: And this is the fellow who campaigned that everything's fine 442 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 6: and we did need to raise taxes. Probably no one 443 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 6: remembers that, but evan By, his governor, wanted to put 444 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 6: a hospital to him. 445 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 4: Remember that was dishonest about taxes. 446 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 6: No way, and so you know, but I remember Mitch 447 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 6: Daniels with his first what I would call budget state 448 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 6: of the State, and and that was a hum dinger 449 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 6: because he was a change agent and he did have 450 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 6: he did have a certain amount of uh. 451 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 1: He had Mitchane has had a lot of political capital 452 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: behind him because the Republicans needed him. You guys weren't 453 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 1: the super majority you are today. 454 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 6: Like he had juice, Yeah, exactly, he had the juice, 455 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 6: He had the energy, and that's what a first budget 456 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 6: for a governor H gives. 457 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 4: You and and and and his state of the state. 458 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 6: When Mitch came across and said he wanted all these reforms, 459 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 6: the legislature UH followed through. 460 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 4: On many of those. 461 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 6: Now with Governor Braun UH tonight, I'm not sure what 462 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 6: kind of political capital he has left because of everything 463 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 6: that happened in twenty twenty five. 464 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 1: Let me ask you about that, because not only did 465 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: he fail on his signature issue, but now he pissed 466 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: all these guys off during redistricting. 467 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 4: Who's gonna hear him and go, yeah, let's help him out. 468 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 6: And also you see these committee chairmen who are not 469 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 6: betrothed or are not connected to the governor because of 470 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 6: one thing or another that happened twenty twenty five, and 471 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 6: they're not. 472 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 4: Really willing to come along. 473 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 6: And we saw Representative Presseoll Chairman Pressel talk about all 474 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 6: the all the end DOT programs and projects that they're 475 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 6: putting on hold. 476 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: Garbage yeah, not garbage, yeah, you know, because most things 477 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: then not do turn to garbage. 478 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 6: Well, and right now represent Prussell really isn't willing to 479 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 6: go along. It sounds like. 480 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 4: Jim Merritt is our guest, we're. 481 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,239 Speaker 1: Talking about the state of the state, which is is 482 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: tonight like, can you is there is there come a 483 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: point with the politician now? I mean it's pretty rare, 484 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: right like that governors don't get re elected if they run. 485 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 4: I'm trying to think the ones in your term. 486 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: Obviously you had Buy who was re elected, or your 487 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: terms plural, you had Buy who was re elected. You 488 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: had Obannon, who likely would have been re elected had 489 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: he not passed away. Daniels re elected. Pence didn't run 490 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: for a second term whole coman. In fact, I don't 491 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 1: think there's ever been a governor run for a second 492 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: term and lose. But I feel like bronze and sort 493 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: of no man's land right now. Unless he gets together 494 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 1: really quick, he's in big trouble. 495 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 6: Yes, and and when when the foundation for a governor 496 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 6: is local government and and and also the legislature and 497 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 6: the boots on the ground, the heart and soul of 498 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 6: the Republican Party and and uh and everything that happened 499 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 6: in twenty twenty five really didn't didn't bolster his status 500 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 6: in the state of Indiana. And that's what you really 501 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 6: need when you're talking about running for reelection. In twenty 502 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 6: twenty eight, and so tonight he can re establish his 503 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 6: you know, his bona fides and really get after what 504 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 6: he needs to do for the next couple of years 505 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 6: to reestablish himself for re election in twenty twenty eight. 506 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 1: All right, it's on a scale of one to ten. 507 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: Jam married our guest thirty years in the Indiana Senate. 508 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 1: State of state tonight, on a scale of one to ten, 509 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: ten being it's the most important thing one, it doesn't 510 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: matter at all. Where do you put the state of 511 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: the state tonight? For Braun, I think it's. 512 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 6: Ten because frankly, if you're governor, Mitch Daniels used to 513 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 6: have an hourglass on his desk, and every day you 514 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:54,479 Speaker 6: need to re establish And I think it's the utmost 515 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 6: importance for the governor, not only for the voter, not 516 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 6: only for the republic Can Party, but for the media 517 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 6: to change the to change the conversation from you know, 518 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 6: what we've been talking about, and what most media heads 519 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 6: have been talking about is is redistricting and also you know, 520 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 6: a budget that really raises questions on where we're going 521 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 6: to dave Indiana. 522 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 1: How much for a governor is just their own personality 523 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: and how much people want to kind of be around them, 524 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: Like like Mitch Daniels always seemed like a dude who 525 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: you'd want to kind of hang out with, like a 526 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: just a cool guy, right like Roade Motorcycles. He played 527 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: cards very smart, right, you knew he was serious about 528 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: whatever he was engaging in, Like last year. I'm not 529 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: kid anyway, say this. When I had the final meeting 530 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: with Braun, I left there and I said, thank goodness, 531 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: I don't. 532 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 4: Have to deal with this guy anymore. 533 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 1: He's aloof he comes off like he doesn't connect with people. 534 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: It's awkward to have to engage in conversation with him. 535 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: How much of that, Matt when you're trying to drive 536 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: public policy? 537 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 6: Well, you know, you walk into the state House when 538 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 6: Governor Daniels was was running the state and you'd see 539 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 6: him talking to one of the housekeepers, one of the 540 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 6: janitors and asking him about something. And then I find 541 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 6: out just a little later, because I was around there 542 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 6: a lot, he had taken an idea from the custodian 543 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 6: and that the custodian thought would be a good change, 544 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 6: and he took it and he installed it. 545 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 3: And so. 546 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 4: You need somebody that is really. 547 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 6: In the in the mortar, and as governor in detail Orient, 548 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,719 Speaker 6: Mitch Daniels worked with interns on ideas and projects. And 549 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 6: so you know when I see that, and many other 550 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 6: legislators see that, you know they're committed. And you know 551 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 6: that the he perks in the number one spot out 552 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 6: in the out. 553 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 4: In the parking lot. And and a. 554 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 6: Lot of governors get dropped off at the door on 555 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 6: on Capitol Avenue and then run into the into the 556 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 6: side door of the State House, a governor's office and 557 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 6: don't see anybody, but you would see you would see 558 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 6: Mitch Daniels walking around. And I think that makes a 559 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 6: big difference. And I would suggest to the people in 560 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 6: room two o six in the Governor's office that that 561 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 6: you know, Braun b relatable and talk to people in 562 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 6: the building because it makes a big difference. 563 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: Find him on Twitter, had Jim underline Merritt Merritt in 564 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: the Morning is the podcast YouTube as well as Facebook. 565 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: Thank you, Robert Kennel and Casey Show ninety three WIBC. Well, 566 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: in this case, it's the Democrats that are leading, and 567 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: I don't I don't see a single Republican on here. 568 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 2: It's kind of weird. 569 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: Huh, it's Kennel and Casey show. I'm Rob, that's Casey. 570 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: So there is a new letter that went out op 571 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: ed for lack of a better term, Citizens Owe Indianapolis 572 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: Answers on Leap water plan, and it is these Democrat 573 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: members of this Indianapolis City County Council demanding answers and 574 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: transparency on Citizens Energy Group's plan to pump twenty five 575 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: million gallons of water per day to the Leap District 576 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: in Boone County. So, of course, the Leap District is 577 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: this fantasy island thing that Eric Holcombe drew up in 578 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,479 Speaker 1: which gajillions of dollars of your money is being taken 579 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: and given to this one small area in Lebanon to 580 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: facilitate mega corporation some of the richest, most powerful people 581 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: in the world Eli Lilly Facebook to come and thus 582 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: far it's been one dumpster fire after another, including that 583 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: they don't have enough water for the district. So the 584 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: state of course not going to allow this to fail. 585 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: And their plan now is to pump twenty five million 586 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: gallons of water a day out of Eagle Creek into 587 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: and run that to Boone Counting. The one of the 588 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: major issues is they're going to have to run this 589 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: pipeline through all these people's yards to get. 590 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 2: It there, possible use of eminent domain. 591 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: And many of these people are in rural areas, and 592 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: they've said, look, we need a utility of some sort 593 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: if we're allowed to tap into this thing, because you know, 594 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: it should be for the public good, right, we don't. 595 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: The government shouldn't just exist to serve mega corporations who 596 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: provide no tangible benefit whatsoever that I can see outside 597 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: of helping themselves in a very select area. If we 598 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: can tap into this, we won't object to this. Allow 599 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: us to get the tap into this water that will 600 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: help us, and we won't object. You come through our 601 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: property whatever. You know what they said, kiss our ass. 602 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 2: He said, Nope, can't do that. 603 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 4: Thousands of people never allow that. 604 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: Could benefit using a fraction of the resources that Facebook 605 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: and or Meta and Eli Lilly are going to use. 606 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: And the State of Indiana told those people to kiss off. 607 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 2: And do you see how much is going to cost 608 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 2: a billion dollars? Yeah, to supply the water for the 609 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 2: Leap project. 610 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: And this is another example of the State of Indiana 611 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: to this shadow, corrupt, rotten Indian economic Development corporation in 612 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: which they are taking money from you, a poor and 613 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: middle class person. They are providing huge incentives, huge allocations 614 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: of resources and money to the select mega corporations. And 615 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: that is not a good use of tax payer motion. 616 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 3: It's very heavy handed because you've got decisions that are 617 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 3: being made without real public involvement. It's your government saying 618 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 3: this is what we're doing, this is what's happening. 619 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 2: And when you say, well, can I have a little piece? 620 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: No, And so these Indianapolis, these Democrat City County council 621 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: members have written this letter demanding information and transparency about 622 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: this whole process. And look, I don't know, don't you know, 623 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: it's very rare. I say, I don't know what to 624 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: say at this point. But the corruption, the crony capitalism, 625 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: they don't even hide it anymore. 626 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 4: Like and now you're talking about. 627 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 2: It's, like I said, heavy handed, they're just doing it. 628 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: If something goes wrong with this because they're steam rolling this, 629 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: they're fast tracking this, they're not going through the normal 630 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: processes with this stuff. If something goes wrong with this 631 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: and involves Eagle Creek Reservoir, you're talking potentially irreversible damage 632 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: and are going to be one thing if we were 633 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: doing it to say we're gonna serve thousands of Central 634 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: Indiana customers who desperately need access to utility and we're 635 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: gonna help them. Okay, worthwhile conversation, right, But we're not 636 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: doing that. We're in fact, we're denying we are denying 637 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: those people the ability to use the resources who desperately 638 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: need it, and we are doing this exclusively for some 639 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: of the richest, most powerful corporations in the world. 640 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, it does come at a cost, and right now 641 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 3: the cost is well damage potentially to the environment and 642 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 3: also public trust. 643 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 4: All right, so let's take a break. When we come back. 644 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: Producer Jason Jason Doser, formerly the producer for Tony's Midday Show, 645 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: he's going to be back with us our final segment. 646 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: We sent him down to du Bois County to find 647 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: out how the locals were feeling down there and the 648 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: real world impact of Mike Brown's pet mid State's Corridor project, 649 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: which could potentially make Mike Broun millions of dollars. By 650 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: the way, and a new villain emerges Hello in today's conversation. Yes, 651 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: Todd Roketa has taken a lot of these fine, upstanding 652 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: individuals to court because well, nothing says heavy handed government 653 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: like Todd Roketa. 654 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 2: All right, Jason joins us. Next, It's ninety three WIBC.